From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #475 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, October 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 475 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:08:20 -0600 From: "bob/bernice hughes" Subject: Re: [AML] Emmeline Wells >From: William Morris >Subject: [AML] Emmeline Wells >So I guess what I'm saying is that I vote for including Emmeline Wells >--EXCEPT-- I don't think that her work is currently in print. ... >Her poetry is beautiful, intimate, and sometimes heart-breaking. While >I >have become an Orson F. Whitney fan, I find her work touches me more >because it's more personal. And I like that in a poet. Whitney is too >didactic although I still think that he has some interesting stuff. ... >I'm just saying my appreciation for Mormon Literature was increased by > >reading Well's volume of poetry _Musings and Memories_. ... >NOTE: For a decent biographical sketch on Wells see: >http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/w/WELLS,EMMELINE.html > >~~William Morris > >[MOD: By all means, let's have a discussion of Emmeline, then!] I picked up a decent copy of her _Musings and Memories_ at Benchmark a few years ago, but they are quite rare. It set me back about $40. None of her works are in print, but a good number are found throughout the old periodicals that you can find on some of the CD programs now available. (I have collected a few thousand old poems from the old periodicals and am organizing a variety of anthologies.) Unfortunately, many of her poems in the earlier periodicals were written under a pseudonym and I haven't figured out who all the pseudonyms are yet. (If anyone has a suggestion how I can figure out who they are, please help.) Another good article about her is "A Bluestocking in Zion: The Literary Life of Emmeline B. Wells" in Dialogue 16:1. I think it is available on one of the CD programs. This article gives insights into why her poetry is not as stiff and didactic as Whitney's. She was interested in the poem as a work af art, not as trite method of preaching. Bob Hughes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:20:58 -0400 From: "nadyoung" Subject: Re: [AML] LDS Last Days Lit (was: _Left Behind_) < like to know how well you feel my book fits within his hoped-for expectations>> I read your book a few months ago (gosh, was it a year? Could be!) and since then have recommended it to quite a few LDS friends. I think you easily meet all his expectations! I was very impressed with the amount of research that obviously went into it. The further I got in the story the more I got the "chills". The way the government was heading in the book was very believable when you look at how things are going IRL. Just look at the whole thing going on in NYC with trying to get the law changed so the Mayor can stay in office for another term. It's a baby step toward the same direction the book took. Take a long hard look at the way religion has been viewed by the liberals and it's very eerie. You obviously have your finger on the pulse of the nation. I think you did a great job in making it believable to anyone that has even the most limited knowledge of what's going on in our country, LDS or not. I think it's definitely a book that Christians of all faiths will accept and enjoy. On another note...I was glad to see a book written by an LDS author that wasn't airbrushed. I'm new to LDS fiction (thank goodness for Desertbook.com!) and this was a pleasant change from the few I'd been exposed to as a youth. <<(And no, Vol. 2 is not out yet, but should be finishing up soon, provided I > can stop being a slug and get a move on it.)>> - ----}}}}} Here's a friendly cyber nudge to get you movin'! Feed the kids, put them to bed and get busy! I'm waiting! lol! < scriptural "index" giving the references I used to come up with my > fictional plot points. Probably a good idea, as long as nobody thinks those > are the _only_ possible interpretations.>> Definitely would be appreciated! The whole two days it took me to finish the first book I kept finding myself wishing there were footnotes and references. Not to check on your accuracy but because I'm ignorant! lol! It made me want to learn as much as I could about the second coming. Oh and yes, I was a bad mommy for those 2 days. My poor kids ate cereal and pb&j the whole time...too involved in my new book! Oh well, they survived. Nadine Young LDS Homeschooling SAHM to: Ch=E9, Cajsa, & new baby Caliah - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:25:09 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] LDS Last Days Lit (was: _Left Behind_) I was referring to the doctrinal content of the Left Behind series. That's the part that, for me, would be a waste of time. As a student of LDS End Times teachings, I have to say that by comparison the Born-Again teachings are a major yawn. Thom Barbara Hume wrote: > At 06:55 PM 10/3/01 +0000, you wrote: > >The Left Behind books may be interesting but are so far off > >what Mormons teach that I'm surprised so many LDS even find them worth their > >time. > > I don't believe in Middle Earth or hobbits, either, but I don't think that > reading Tolkien is a waste of time. I don't read the Left Behind books to > learn doctrine. In fact, I tend to talk back to the books a lot, but the > story is pretty good and the writers got me to care about the characters. > As a writer myself I can see the devices the writers are using, but I still > want to find out what happens. So as fiction writers, these guys are doing > something right, LDS or not! > > barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:25:34 -0600 From: Gerald G Enos Subject: Re: [AML] LDS Last Days Lit (was: _Left Behind_) We may not believe in what others call the Rapture but don't we believe that the rightous will be carried up to meet Jesus when he comes back and isn't that to be before the wicked are "burned as stubble"? Believe it or not that is just what the 'Rapture' really is. As a convert I have been able to see that most Christians do believe as we do they just don't have the full picture and we do. I like all the suggestions for researching such a book and what it should cover. I'll keep all of that information in a file I'm starting on the subject. My research is going to start soon. By the way I hope to see the Second Coming in my life time and I'm not that young. At my age my Dad was a grandpa. (I was well quite a bit older when I started my family and it better be at least 10 more years till I have to worry about being a grandparent.) Konnie Enos ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: William Morris Subject: [AML] Representing the Spirit (was: WHIPPLE, _The Giant Joshua_) - --- Veda Hale wrote: > I think= > that happened to Maurine and during the writing she touched something > that= > instead of naming "testimony" she called "The Great Smile." I know she= > didn't understand why some so disliked her choice of words here or > with= > "The Grand Idea." To me "The Great Smile" isn't a substitute for God. > It= > was just the best she could come up with to describe the "feeling" one > gets= > when touching the thing described in the above quote about testimony.= > Personally, I like it better than "A burning in the bosom."=20 > I was waiting to see if somebody would bring this up. I was surprised to see my name listed as one of the participants in the March AML conference because although I had discussed the possibility with Marilyn, I haven't sent in a formal proposal. But to get to the point: what Veda points to in _The Giant Joshua_ ties in with what my proposal will be. I want to submit a paper on "Representing the Spirit: A Challenge for Mormon Aesthetics" where I discuss the language, discourse and idea of representing the workings of the Holy Ghost in the context of Mormon literature---not as, whether or not readers feel the Spirit when they read a particular work, but how this subjective mode of experience is expressed and represented (the metaphors, the laguage used) in scripture, in common Mormon parlance (discourse), and in Mormon literature. "The Great Smile" will be one of my main examples from Mormon lit. And the 'burning in the bosom' will show up as well. So I don't have much to add to what Veda has written. Just that I've been thinking about the same thing and if all goes as planned I will be prepared to discuss it in an AML paper. One question: I've tried to see if this is a topic that's already been dealt with in a past conference, but I don't have access to copies of the past proceedings out her in CA, and the Web site only has the programs from a few selected years. I don't expect ya'll to do my research for me, but if this topic rings any bells, please e-mail me. Thanks. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:36:37 -0600 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: [AML] Stories about War (was: The List and the WTC) Here's one: lots of books are written about wars: The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, the Bible, Dean Hughes stuff, Lee Nelson, Stephen Ambrose, Hugh Nibley, etc. AND those books sell and sell well. Why? What is our fascination with the topic? Roy Schmidt >>> Scott and Marny Parkin 10/03/01 12:39AM >>> [MOD: We've had an interesting discussion here, but I think it's time to move on. I think I'll let Scott have the last say here on this question of whether and when war is justified, unless someone comes up with a new, more explicitly literary tie-in.] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: William Morris Subject: Re: [AML] Emmeline Wells - --- bob/bernice hughes wrote: > I picked up a decent copy of her _Musings and Memories_ at Benchmark a > few > years ago, but they are quite rare. It set me back about $40. > My mother owns a copy that her grandmother bought, I believe. Otherwise I wouldn't know anything about Emmeline. I love reading old books. The funky type, the thick paper pages....mmmmmmmm... > None of her works are in print, but a good number are found throughout > the > old periodicals that you can find on some of the CD programs now > available. > (I have collected a few thousand old poems from the old periodicals and > am > organizing a variety of anthologies.) Unfortunately, many of her poems > in > the earlier periodicals were written under a pseudonym and I haven't > figured > out who all the pseudonyms are yet. (If anyone has a suggestion how I > can > figure out who they are, please help.) > I don't know this scholar personally, but a good person to talk to might be Carol Madsen, the author of..... > Another good article about her is "A Bluestocking in Zion: The Literary > Life > of Emmeline B. Wells" in Dialogue 16:1. .......the article you mention. She is on the BYU faculty and her e-mail is madsenc@byu.edu. I look forward to any possible anthologies you compile, Bob. Anthologies are an important part of creating and sustaining a literary movement. Finally, the whole pseudonym thing fascinates me. On the one hand it was a way to protect yourself from outraged readers, but I think that it's a little more complicated than that. There is a whole history of poets using pseudonyms out of a certain kind of modesty, or to claim credibility, or to reflect a certain voice, and of course to raise trouble---kind of like screen names (handles? or is that just CB talk) on the Internet these days. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:59:50 -0600 From: Terry L Jeffress Subject: Re: [AML] Fw: MN 'New Era' to Drop Fiction On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:05:50PM -0600, Eric R. Samuelsen wrote: > But here's the other point: why should the Church publish such a > magazine? Why is that the business of the Church? That's our job. > We are the ones who should be publishing, and creating publishing > houses. Like, say, Irreantum. Why not look at this announcement as > a positive thing? Like, we're now mature enough as a culture that > our official magazines don't have to worry about fiction anymore. > Others outside the institutional structure are taking care of it for > us. The Church published what I personally call conversion fiction. The central role in this fiction always seemed to reinforce the importance of using the spirit for making daily decisions. Certainly this fiction has a place, but Church magazines provided a concentrated outlet for these stories. I contend that most Church members will not even notice the content change; especially when you consider that the majority of members probably only read the home/visiting teaching lesson. When I buy a fiction magazine, I want to get a variety of good stories for my money. If every story reinforced the same theme set, I would feel cheated. Although the Church magazines didn't provide a fiction-only format, the fiction they did publish predictably addressed the same themes issue after issue. So unlike Eric, who thinks we should look at the Church no longer publishing fiction as an opportunity, I think that the Church's decision has very little bearing on the overall landscape of Mormon literature. The Church's decision only eliminates a very narrow market opportunity for a particular type of story. Writers of conversion fiction will now face a stiffer market as they compete against other types of fiction. As we have discussed, outlets already exist for numerous types of Mormon Literature both in print and online. I don't believe that _Irreantum_ or any other fiction venue will see a sudden increase in fiction submissions as a result of the Church's decision. I happen to agree with the Church's decision. The organized, business end of the Church exists to provide a consistent and unified set of procedures and explanation of doctrines. Although fiction can certainly inspire one to align oneself more closely to those doctrines, a position paper (or sermon) more clearly fills the role the Church headquarters must fill through the magazine department. Besides, the best art never seems to flourish when the content must receive the approval of a corporate or standards committee. - -- Terry Jeffress | However great a man's natural talent may | be, the art of writing cannot be learned AML Webmaster and | all at once. -- Jean Jacques Rousseau AML-List Review Archivist | - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:47:18 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] LDS Last Days Lit (was: _Left Behind_) Barbara Hume wrote: > [NOTE: Thom (or anyone else), you should feel free to *briefly* respond to > Barbara's question. However, let's make sure that the focus of the > discussion stays on literature, and not varying scriptural interpretations > of the Last Days. (I'm permitting this post because, in addition to > Barbara's query, she also goes on to make a general observation about the > kind of scriptural exegesis that can and/or should inform literature of this > sort.)] > > At 02:14 PM 10/2/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Secondly, the Anti-Christ is not a single person, but more symbolic > >of an attitude prevelant in the last days > > I'm not sure about this. Thom, can you explain your view a bit > further? I've noticed that in general you interpret the scriptures as more > symbolic and less literal than I do. The teaching that the Anti-Christ is not a single person comes from McConkie. > OTOH, the Left Behind books take > everything waaaaaay literally. Finding the right place between the extremes > of "the Bible uses mythology to teach us stuff, you're not supposed to > actually believe it happened" and "everything mentioned in the Bible is > completely literal rather than figurative" is an interesting task that > anyone writing about the last days must work with. The End of the World series of books I plan to write deal with a literal Mormon interpretation frankly, because they are very dramatic. Though, personally, I think many of the teachings are symbolic, I'm going for literal for pure artistic reasons. Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:45:12 -0600 From: "Sharlee Glenn" Subject: [AML] Impact Editorial Services Children's book writer, Rick Walton, asked me to forward this to the AML-list. An acquaintance of his received this letter, and Rick is interested in your responses to it and, specifically, to the services offered therein. Thanks! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walton" To: "Sharlee Glenn" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: The letter... > > Dear -------, > > It=92s been some time since we=92ve had contact. Maybe you=92ve found a publisher > for your book. If so, congratulations! If not, we=92d surely like to he= lp. As > I have mentioned in the past, your book has substantial publishable mer= it. > All it needs is to be edited according to The Chicago Manual of Style. = As > you know, this is the standard that all major publishers go by these da= ys > and, the fact is, your book merits publication by a major publisher. It= =92s my > strong recommendation that you not even consider a minor publisher. > > Since we last had contact, we at Impact have changed our name and expan= ded > our business. We have now added agency representation to our services. > Whereas we will continue to do basic, substantive, and developmental > copyediting, desktop publishing, illustrating, indexing, project management, > proofreading, translating, writing, and scanning, now we will also add > agency representation for those clients who wish to have us actively se= ek a > publisher for their work. Fees for agency services will be handled in a > different way than most literary agents do. Whereas most agents take th= eir > fee in a percentage of your royalties, we will offer agency services fo= r a > flat fee to be negotiated and mutually agreed upon. > > Becoming a published author is most rewarding. I=92m sure you felt grea= t > satisfaction when you finally finished writing your book. Sending it to= a > publisher for publication consideration was probably one of the most > exciting things you=92ve done, too. No doubt receiving rejection letter= s was > discouraging. Publishers, however, never tell the real reason for sendi= ng > rejection letters. In your case I know the reason. It needs to be edite= d > according to the CMS. Until it is, I=92d be willing to bet that it will > continue to receive rejection letters from all major publishers. > > Most authors think that if their work needs to be edited, that means th= ey=92 re > not good writers. Nothing could be further from the truth! You see, writing > is primarily a creative, right-brained endeavor. Editing is a technical= , > left-brained activity. The great majority of best-selling authors are n= ot > equally left- and right-brained. They can have all the creativity in th= e > world, but ninety to ninety-five percent of them lack the technical ski= ll > and knowledge to properly edit their own work. And, the fact is, ninety-five > percent of all best-selling authors first hired the services of a competent > editor who was well-versed in the industry standard=97The Chicago Manua= l of > Style. > > I=92d very much like to add your name to our list of satisfied, publish= ed > authors. Why not take the next essential step and let us prepare your > manuscript in every way so that it has its very best chance of getting > published? > > Hoping to hear from you soon, > > Sincerely, > > Larry G. Brady, Ph.D. > > Impact Editorial and Agency Services, Inc. > > larrygbrady@hotmail.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:46:42 -0500 From: Linda Adams Subject: Re: [AML] Cornerstone Contact Info The email address I have is currently: Linda Adams At 05:04 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: >I've been trying to contact Richard Hopkins of Cornerstone Publishing, but >both e-mail addresses I had didn't work. Does anyone know how to reach him? > >Annette Lyon > > > > > > >-- >AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature > Linda Adams adamszoo@sprintmail.com http://home.sprintmail.com/~adamszoo - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:50:03 -0700 From: "Jeff Needle" Subject: [AML] Freeware Programs for Readers and Writers Check these out -- some interesting stuff! [It includes] a book collection program, an e-book viewer, and a tool for writers to collect their thoughts. I've downloaded all three -- no virus problems at all. [Jeff Needle] http://www.spacejock.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #475 ******************************