From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #825 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 825 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:27:46 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Brewvies Re: Debbie Brown's song Beer Drinking Mormons. Two comments: Wow! And where can I get the sheet music? Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:50:21 -0600 From: Cathy Wilson Subject: Re: [AML] Brewvies Todd wrote: I'm well aware of lots of Mormon people who are not willing to admit that the Word of Wisdom wasn't even manadatory for temple attendance until well into the 20th century. I often think that we emphasize the WoW so much these days because it's measurable--like a white shirt and tie. We can know for sure if someone complies and that is always comforting. The immeasurables--like, uh, charity--not so easy to quantify. Cathy Wilson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:24:32 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Lousy Movies I'm grateful to Scot Parkin for his lovely list of horrendous films. I'd = put Hitchhike to Hell up there with any of them. The worst film I've seen = recently is Glitter, but I suspect Freddy Got Fingered is worse. Of = course there are the usual suspects: I'm quite fond of the Terror of Tiny = Town, the world's only all midget Western musical. (I've seen it twice.) = But that one's become sort of a cult film, and isn't so much secret = anymore. Any of you remember The Last Prom? Mormon lit connection: Johnny Lingo is quite horrid, but I have to say the = old Tom Trails series is a good deal worse. Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:12:12 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Irreantum Update Good for you, Chris! (Marilyn Brown) - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:33:10 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Brewvies Ivan asked the purpose in saying that Joseph Smith drank beer. My purpose is this: what is a Mormon? I know and am friends with a number = of Mormons who drink beer occasionally. They're still Mormons. They're = culturally Mormon and their belief systems are Mormon, and if you ask 'em = what they are, they'll tell you they're Mormon. Mostly, they don't go to = Church or hold callings or temple recommends. But they're still Mormons. = And I just think we should acknowledge folks like that as part of us, part = of our community, and not use words like 'inactive' to drive a wedge = between them and us church goin' types. In fact, in a coupla cases, the = folks probably would go to church more often, except they are labeled = inactive, and therefore think of themselves as inactives. That's all I = meant by it. =20 Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:01:27 EDT From: Vholladay5254@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Daniel Rector Dies I'm sure some of you knew Daniel better than I did, but even so, I'd like to speak up for him. He taught a series of missionary classes about 20 years ago before I went on my mission. I attended them with other other missionaries to be and they were very spiritual and uplifting. I don't know if they actually helped me to be a better missionary, but blaming him for my missionary experience would be like blaming a college professor for not preparing me better for employment or blaming a marriage prep teacher for not preparing me to get married. Dan's classes held maybe 100 to 150 aspiring missionaries and were very dynamic. >From what I heard of Dan, I don't believe he ever lost his love of the gospel or his desire to share it or his idealism. I think it remained important to him throughout his life. Even his efforts with Sunstone were because he cared about the gospel and he cared about people and believe that a sincere and honest dialogue could help strengthen and enlight both the "Liahonas" and the "Iron Rodders." It's hard to imagine an idealist behind Sunstone when its voice often seems extreme to many members, even bitter, angry, and cynical. I don't believe Dan was any of those things. I think he just believed in people's right to express their experiences and beliefs and in the power of dialogue to bring about positive change. My two cents, Valerie Holladay - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:01:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: RE: [AML] BYU Education Week Event > I was a wrestler in high school but never accepted into the athletic = > click because I was "too good". If anyone has seen the video "The Award" = > (produced by the Cypress Stake where we grew up in the late 1970s) that = > is the kind of football players (at the beginning of the movie) my wife = > is talking about. > > Jerry Tyner This is what bugs me a bit. In High School I played football, absketball, wrestled and did track and field (sprint, discuss, shotput). Yes - there were lousy atheletes (in a moral sense) and there were outstanding ones. What bothers me about your comments is that they basically play on stereotypes I find to be only *occasionally* true - not in the blanket way. But then it isn't as politcally charged to perpetuate sterotypes about atheletes or ignorant mormons. Sure, we can't (and shouldn't) make fun of African-Americans or Muslims, but what's the harm in insulting atheletes or suppossedly clueless Mormons? Plenty, IMHO. - --Ivan Wolfe - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:37:58 -0600 From: Marny Parkin Subject: [AML] Published Writers Group I just ran across a Yahoo group for published LDS writers. If you are interested, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Published-LDS-Authors/ Marny - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:15:23 -0700 From: harlowclark@juno.com Subject: [AML] Writer's Digest Self Publishing Book Award I got this note on Publish, a low-volume list about self-publishing. I think this was the contest where Kenny Kemp won big with Dad Was a Carpenter. DEADLINE: DECEMBER 16, 2002 10TH ANNUAL WRITER'S DIGEST INTERNATIONAL SELF-PUBLISHING BOOK AWARDS - Self-publishd writers are encouraged to submit their work for the chance to win big prizes and recognition. ONE GRAND PRIZE WINNER will be awarded $2,500 cash and promotion in Publisher's Weekly and Writer's Digest, and marketing advice from self-publishing guru Dan Poynter. 9 FIRST-PLACE WINNERS will receive $500 cash and promotion in Writer's Digest. In addition, Book Marketing Works, LLC will provide guaranteed distribution to bookstores and libraries through Baker & Taylor, and a guaranteed review in Midwest Book Review. The entry fee is $100 for the first entry, $50 for each additional entry. Details: http://www.writersdigest.com/contests/self_published.asp Harlow Clark ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:56:57 -0500 From: Linda Adams Subject: Re: [AML] BYU Education Week Event At 05:01 PM 9/4/02, you wrote: >The physical destruction of other people's work in a semi-official setting is >a gesture of profound disrespect towards the creators of that work *as >fellow human beings.* I'm sure that's not what was intended; in their >radical innocence the concept of book-burning never even occurred to the >organizers of this event. Nevertheless, I would say: avoid the very >appearance of evil. Don't let yourselves look like book-burners. It's my observation lately that only Mormons do this: we (culturally, as a group) have a profound naivete of things going on in the rest of the world. I also am sure they would be horrified to know their activity had any relation to Nazi book burnings. I've got a short, but growing list of such things I've put together that "only Mormons" would come up with and not see a perverse double meaning. (What does it say about me, that I do? Hm.) I'll add this event to it. Off the top of my head, my other top two most memorable are: A song (one I like, BTW) titled "I Heard Him Come" An article in the Friend a while back with this title, put just about this way on the page: "For The (very small letters) LOVE OF GOD" (great big, on next line) Don't make me explain what's wrong with those. Has anyone else noticed others? I know there's many more. I like that phrase used above, "radical innocence." Somehow I don't think that's what the scriptures meant by being "wise as serpents, yet harmless as doves." God didn't say, "be stupid as doves." He wants us to do better. Someone did catch the "You-WHO unto Jesus" (Yoo-hoo!) in the old hymn book ("How Firm a Foundation"), and that was changed; but I still miss that one, actually. Linda Linda Adams adamszoo@sprintmail.com http://home.sprintmail.com/~adamszoo - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:07:46 -0600 From: "Susan Kroupa" Subject: [AML] Re: Kurt Bestor Profile Cathy, I agree with you. As I read the article, I couldn't help but think of Casaubon in _Middlemarch_. I applaud the frankness of the article, and it brings to light the conflict that all artists face. But even so, I have a hard time being sympathetic with the attitude that genius demands concessions from lesser mortals. (Not that I think of Bestor as a genius--a good musician, yes, but not someone who's necessarily going to be remembered in fifty years.) Although I admired Bestor's honesty, that very honesty portrayed him as someone I don't admire. Urusula LeGuin wrote a great essay once called "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Writes The Book" where she talks about the demands on writers' lives, in particular the demands that children place on women writers. Babies eat books, she says, meaning that the time involved in caring for children is time that won't be devoted to writing. But, she argues, it is the very doing of these important, human things--what you said make a "decent human being"--that give the artist depth and understanding and enrich the artist's works. Sue Kroupa - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:30:18 -0700 From: Jeffrey Needle Subject: Re: [AML] Lousy Movies Yikes! I have the Tom Trails videos in my collection, but have never watched them. Should I plug in the old VCR? I hate to be missing out on anything. - ------------------ Jeffrey Needle jeff.needle@general.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #825 ******************************