From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #219 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, November 10 2003 Volume 02 : Number 219 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:25:21 -0800 From: Sugar Beet Subject: [AML] Going Postal The Sugar Beet Goes Postal Now that we've finished the spiritual creation of The Sugar Beet, we're ready to create it physically. In January 2004, Mormonism's most compelling news reportage will begin appearing on a thin, smooth substance called paper. Yes, paper. These bimonthly paper editions will be delivered to paying subscribers by the U.S. Postal Service. Yes, paying subscribers. 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For gift subscriptions, click here: http://sugarbeet.c.tep1.com/maabC0Uaa1RZgbemu1ye/ To view a sample issue of The Sugar Beet, click here: http://sugarbeet.c.tep1.com/maabC0Uaa1RZhbemu1ye/ For information on advertising in The Sugar Beet, click here: http://sugarbeet.c.tep1.com/maabC0Uaa1RZibemu1ye/ For retail and wholesale distribution information, click here: http://sugarbeet.c.tep1.com/maabC0Uaa1RZjbemu1ye/ We'll see you in print! - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:09:26 -0700 From: Barbara Hume Subject: Re: [AML] Annoying thingies in posts [moderator's confession: We are rotating the moderator responsibilities and so there have been a few kinks as this duty has changed hands and computers. Do let us know when AML-List service has not been at its optimum and we'll try to fix it. This problem should be solved but chime in if it hasn't been] At 04:37 PM 11/5/03 -0700, you wrote: >Of course a man can write from a woman's =3D >point=3D20 >of view, Isn't there some way we can keep this listserv from putting those annoying=20 =3D20 thingies in? My other mailing lists, even the ones on the dreaded=20 Yahoo, don't do this. I've skipped reading some posts because they were=20 loaded with this distracting stuff. barbara hume - --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D67374F06=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; x-avg=3Dcert; x-avg-checked=3Davg-ok-308D2C68 Content-Disposition: inline - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 - --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D67374F06=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-- - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:49:29 -0700 From: "Eric Samuelsen" Subject: RE: [AML] Breaking the rules. . . . . The brilliant British playwright David Edgar recently visited the BYU campus and gave two wonderful talks, one of which, I understand, might be suitable for publication in Irreantum. At any rate, he was asked about the question of a white male heterosexual middle class playwright who regularly creates characters who are of different ethnicities (and of course genders) from his. His response was beautiful. He said "I was once very much concerned about this question. And of course, whenever one writes about something outside one's own experience, one has an obligation to research very thoroughly indeed. But I came to realize that the consequences for writers NOT writing about characters from different ethnic backgrounds than my own were far more negative than for us to write about them." I'm paraphrasing, and darn awkwardly too, but I do agree with him. Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:17:49 -0700 From: "Kim Madsen" Subject: RE: [AML] The AML Conference I braved the storm from Centerville to Provo and attended the AML conference as well. I got to meet many AML people face to face, which was a delight, enlightening and profitable. I now know why Jon Enos can post such wonderfully thought out, and lengthy posts on such a regular basis--he's warming up, you know--and seeing him function at full tilt, he has energy to burn. I enjoyed listening to all he had to share in the screenwriting class...which at first glance seemed to be some sort of priesthood meeting. I was afeared I'd wandered into the wrong place, but Scott Bronson kindly sat by me and made me feel at home. Then another woman or two came in...but why, oh why did the men so far out number women in that venue, when there was such an even mix in attendance. Most interesting. I think most of the women were in the children's and middle grade writing courses. Is that where you were, ladies? I also was the happy recipient of two offers to read unpublished manuscripts (got them both by the way, guys, thank you!)...so you see, profitable. It was also profitable for me to take the workshop from Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury and Carol Lynch Williams (I hope I got that right...I know for sure it was Kathleen, and I was late coming in to the workshop, so I just picked up names from things that were said...if I'm wrong sorry, and someone correct me). It was enlightening to listen to what was offered to others workshopping their few paragraphs, but mostly good to hear feedback on what I brought. Thanks to the organizers for thinking that up, I appreciated the opportunity. They were two candid and talented women sharing their thoughts as writers and readers. I always LOVE that the Red Leaf bookstore is there and it was profitable for them, from me at least, as I spent over $100 on books...it's my sickness, I know. But what a joy to find good LDS literature all stacked up there. I'm reading LOVE CHAINS, a short story collection by Margaret Young first...and oh, my heck (a total Utahism)it's brilliant. Her essay about sharks in the first of it is gut honest. As is each story I've read so far. And, oh yes, I'm alternating moments in the bath and in bed reading between LOVE CHAINS and Louise Plummer's essays THOUGHTS OF A GRASSHOPPER. I'm so glad to know there are other non-ants out there. When she confessed to all the stuff they found under their bed when cleaning it I felt vindicated. My friend gave me a bookmark that reads "One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries" (A.A. Milne) My life is full of excitement. And I know both of these titles are "old" (like nearly 10 years), but to me they are new. Thanks to both Louise and Margaret for writing them. What else? Oh, yes. Kristen Randle was a fireball, and I got the only copy of SLUMMING Red Leaf had there. Yeah me! I only listened to Kristen for an hour (had to leave to make the workshop), but felt she was one of those people of definite opinions who make good columnists or teachers because they believe so passionately in their point of view and communicate it clearly and with dry humor. I appreciated what she shared even if I disagree with her belief that men writing from a woman's perspective rarely get it right. There might be a lot that get it wrong, but there are a goodly share who have impressed me: Wally Lamb was the first who sprang to my mind. She even mentioned Alexander McCall Smith (#1 Ladies Detective Agency), so I don't think she was saying "never" but she certainly didn't hold out much hope. The people from Excel Entertainment who presented a bit about the making of PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: A LATTER-DAY COMEDY were interesting too. I appreciated hearing about the process they went through adapting, casting, etc. The bits of the film they brought to share made me anxious to see it. My favorite part was the group discussion about "LDS literature: Where is it headed?". Unfortunately, I had to leave early...can anybody clue me in on what the upshot was? I left during the part where we were deciding that LDS authors as a whole have to get braver about telling their own personal truths. Especially unfortunate in that I missed going out to dinner and socializing more. Sigh. That's the way of life sometimes. Other commitments. If you missed this, plan on coming to the one in February. Kim Madsen - -----Original Message----- From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jvkwriter@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:08 PM To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [AML] The AML Conference From katie@aros.net: I opted not to go to the AML Writers Conference for =3D a number of family reasons, but I'm dying to find out what I missed! I'm =3D sure there are lots of other folks around who weren't able to = go, and I =3D imagine that folks who did go would enjoy discussing the experience, so... I watched the screening of the movie "The Best Two Years" I was =3D surprisingly impressed and can't wait for it to come out in February because I know = =3D that my husband will love it. I felt it was very true to the missionary experience, and well filmed. I attended Rick Walton and Julie Olsen's class on Children's Literature. =3D I=3D20 learned a lot specifically about the way this market = works.=3D20 Next I attended Tessa M Santiago's class on Personal Essays. This class =3D was=3D20 excellent as it clarified some cloudy areas in my mind = between personal essay and personal history or story writing. Her examples supported her points excellently. I felt it was very beneficial and interesting. The last class I attended was Jongiori Enos class on Writer's Block. I=3D20 already agreed with his premise about writer's block but I did = not know that's where he was going when the class started. Actually, if I tell =3D the truth here, I took his class because I wanted to hear him speak after reading so many of his posts. I thought his class was vibrant and energizing which is a feat in =3D itself,=3D20 being the last class of the day following a buffet Mexican luncheon that almost required a siesta after the eating experience. He balanced his information in a general or worldly sense with the principles that LDS people are supposedly living. I think many LDS =3D struggle with incorporating some of their beliefs and still being part of the =3D world. He spoke frankly to some of these issues. I did not = feel his lecture was preachy in any way nor did I think it was at all patronizing. He had several points to make and he made them clearly and concisely, = =3D and=3D20 with enough generated enthusiasm to excite one to run right = home and =3D write=3D20 something. I cannot comment on any other classes but what I participated in was =3D well=3D20 worth my time, and effort to be there. One final comment. = During the =3D movie and panel discussion I counted the number of women in attendance and =3D then the number of men in attendance. This is the = very first writer's =3D conference I have ever attended where the number of = men equaled the number of =3D women. I was pleasantly surprised and pointed = it out to the people around me. That's all I have say . Janie Van Komen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:46:30 -0700 From: Clark Goble Subject: [AML] My Web Page Spurred on by jealousy of Nate Oman's excellent resources for Mormon=20 philosophy I've finally got my site partially up. It's still very=20 early on but I thought I'd post the link here. Ideally what it will be is a place for me to flesh out a few sets of=20 ideas. First off some of the discussions I've had here which I've=20 kept. But more significantly my studies on the philosophy of Pratt,=20 Leibniz and Mormonism in general. In addition the front page will be a=20 blog on items of Mormon philosophy I've found. It obviously is more=20 than a little influenced by the Metaphysical Elders site. I hope Nate=20 takes imitation as the sincerest form of flattery. I do hope, however,=20 to take things down a slightly different route given my own focus on=20 more ontological matters. http://www.libertypages.com/clark/ As I said it is still a work in progress. So I'll more than likely be=20 adding a lot more pages over the next few days. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:23:27 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] My Web Page On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 04:46:30 -0700, Clark Goble wrote: >Spurred on by jealousy of Nate Oman's excellent resources for >Mormon=3D3D20 philosophy I've finally got my site partially up. It's >still very=3D3D20 early on but I thought I'd post the link here. > >http://www.libertypages.com/clark/ > > >As I said it is still a work in progress. So I'll more than likely >be adding a lot more pages over the next few days. Cool. Any chance that you'll RSS enable it? Please? RSS Reader is = my=3D friend... Jacob Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:06:05 -0600 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] More Moderator Confessions Folks, Just so you know, Jacob Proffitt and Gideon Burton have been doing a great job at taking care of this moderation thing while I've been largely out of pocket. Some posts have been referred to me from October that I haven't had a chance to respond to yet, and some of the technical problems on the list probably have something to do with my unavailability to help with matters, so Jacob and Gideon have been left to figure things out largely on their own. Apologies, and thanks again to them for stepping up to the plate. Jonathan Langford AML-List Coordinating Moderator jlangfor@pressenter.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:09:39 -0600 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: RE: [AML] Breaking the rules. . . . . Eric gave us: >"But I came to >realize that the consequences for writers NOT writing about characters >from different ethnic backgrounds than my own were far more negative >than for us to write about them." Lovely. Certainly it's risky to do this--but then I think that writing has to take risks to be worthwhile. (This example illustrates, by the way, that true risk-taking does not have to be doctrinal, or moral, or ethical; it can be--most often is, perhaps--artistic.) Jonathan Langford Speaking for myself jlangfor@pressenter.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:27:13 -0800 From: "Susan Malmrose" Subject: Re: [AML] My Web Page Lookin' good Clark! Cute puppy. :) Who else has a webpage? Mine is hosted by a friend and therefore not exactly reliable (server occasionally goes down), but I'll include the URL below. I know there used to be a "AML Living Room" with an index of people's pages, but last time I looked at it I don't think it'd been updated for a long time. Can we get a compilation post of everyone's URL's if they want to share them? Susan Malmrose http://qsysue.tagplazen.org/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:04:41 -0700 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] The AML Conference <002f01c3a4f6$e1716140$74a20a18@kimcjc> In-Reply-To: <002f01c3a4f6$e1716140$74a20a18@kimcjc> Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:17:49 -0700, Kim Madsen wrote: >I braved the storm from Centerville to Provo and attended the AML >conference as well. I got to meet many AML people face to face, which >was a delight, enlightening and profitable. I now know why Jon Enos can >post such wonderfully thought out, and lengthy posts on such a regular >basis--he's warming up, you know--and seeing him function at full tilt, >he has energy to burn. I enjoyed listening to all he had to share in the >screenwriting class...which at first glance seemed to be some sort of >priesthood meeting. I was afeared I'd wandered into the wrong place, but >Scott Bronson kindly sat by me and made me feel at home. Then another >woman or two came in...but why, oh why did the men so far out number >women in that venue, when there was such an even mix in attendance. >Most interesting. I think most of the women were in the children's and >middle grade writing courses. Is that where you were, ladies? Some of us were in the hallway working. :) I did get to talk to Jon briefly about the subject (another side benefit Of hanging out in the hall) and how to find screenplays to read. He mentioned a publication called, I think, Script, which prints screenplays from classic and current films and would be available through some libraries. Last night Jacob found me another resource called Script-O-Rama. It's a general screenwriting site, but they have all sorts of scripts posted--drafts, shooting scripts, revised version. The URL is: http://www.script-o-rama.com/table.shtml I don't know if I'll ever actually write a screenplay, but at least I can have fun reading scripts in the meantime. Melissa Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #219 ******************************