From: "Jeff S." Subject: BB: Saddle sore 1000 ride Date: 04 Sep 2003 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT) BB'ers Our 1001 ride is coming up on Oct 4th. I would like to get the folks who are interested in doing this event together for a short meeting. How does noon at BMW of Salt lake on Sept 20th sound? Also who has contact information for Gary Egan? I would like to see if we can involve him as the certifying agent for the iron butt association. thanks Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Subject: BB: 1001 ride Date: 16 Sep 2003 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) BB'ers I'm just back from a fantastic vacation in New York City and looking forward to the Saddle sore 1001 ride. This Sat Ill be at BMW of Salt lake at noon to discuss the rules, dates, locations and proposed routes etc.. if you are interested in participating. Because this event never made it on to the "official" club events list it should be considered an "un-official" gathering of riding partners. feel free to contact me with questions regards Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: 1001 ride Date: 16 Sep 2003 23:06:46 -0600 Is that anything like "UnAuthorized"???? 'Cause I wouldn't want to get my arse kicked out or anything, just because I was part of some unauthorized club activity..... DeVern On 16 Sep 2003 at 14:17, Jeff S. wrote: > Because this event never made it on to the "official" > club events list it should be considered an > "un-official" gathering of riding partners. > feel free to contact me with questions > regards > Jeff **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: Re: BB: 1001 ride Date: 17 Sep 2003 08:10:16 -0600 At 11:06 PM 9/16/03 -0600, DeVern Gerber wrote: >Is that anything like "UnAuthorized"???? 'Cause I wouldn't want to >get my arse kicked out or anything, just because I was part of some >unauthorized club activity..... > >DeVern > Unofficial, Unauthorized, Unorthodox??? When does that ever matter? Besides, whose going to try to kick your "arse"? Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: 1001 ride Date: 17 Sep 2003 11:05:19 -0600 Bring it on, big guy, bring it on..... D :^) On 17 Sep 2003 at 12:20, Andy Sager wrote: > Thane, > > Since it is an unauthorized event and there will be a disclaimer so no > one will be held liable, not even myself, I will be the first in line > to kick big D's arse. 8>) > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DNA Subject: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Bring it on, big guy, bring it on..... D :^) On 17 Sep 2003 at 12:20, Andy Sager wrote: > Thane, > > Since it is an unauthorized event and there will be a disclaimer so no > one will be held liable, not even myself, I will be the first in line > to kick big D's arse. 8>) I don't know Thane, the last guy that said that isn't around anymore!.......look----- http://sabmag.dougc.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName= gerlachfest03&id=IMG_1072 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff S." Subject: Re: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) ?? A disclaimer?? why would we need a disclaimer. It was neither put on the club calendar or voted on at a meeting. In any case the issue of liability for the club was settled ages ago, or at least I thought it was. JS --- DNA wrote: > > Bring it on, big guy, bring it on..... > > D > > :^) > > > On 17 Sep 2003 at 12:20, Andy Sager wrote: > > > Thane, > > > Since it is an unauthorized event and there will > be a disclaimer so > no > > one will be held liable, not even myself, I will > be > the first in line > > to kick big D's arse. 8>) > > I don't know Thane, the last guy that said that > isn't > around anymore!.......look----- > > http://sabmag.dougc.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName= > gerlachfest03&id=IMG_1072 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 13:20:02 -0600 I suggest you take up the issue with the club president, who happens to be a lawyer. I suspect that any event advertised over a club mail list and listed in a club newsletter, and conducted by club officers, would be considered a defacto club sponsored event--regardless of what was voted on or not voted on. Furthermore, it matters NOT what the law spells out, one only needs to convince twelve stupid people that damages are somehow due and they will be. Lastly, it matters not whether your position WRT liability is "clear" or not, the fact of the matter is that given the filing of a lawsuit by an injured party, or the family of an injured party, it will cost the club the same amount in legal fees to defend itself no matter who prevails in the lawsuit. Welcome to America, the most litigious country on earth. Best, DeVern On 18 Sep 2003 at 11:27, Jeff S. wrote: > ?? > > A disclaimer?? why would we need a disclaimer. It > was neither put on the club calendar or voted on at a > meeting. In any case the issue of liability for the > club was settled ages ago, or at least I thought it > was. > > JS > --- DNA wrote: > > > > Bring it on, big guy, bring it on..... > > > > D > > > > :^) > > > > > > On 17 Sep 2003 at 12:20, Andy Sager wrote: > > > > > Thane, > > > > Since it is an unauthorized event and there will > > be a disclaimer so > > no > > > one will be held liable, not even myself, I will > > be > > the first in line > > > to kick big D's arse. 8>) > > > > I don't know Thane, the last guy that said that > > isn't > > around anymore!.......look----- > > > > > http://sabmag.dougc.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName= > > gerlachfest03&id=IMG_1072 > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > **************************************************************** > > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > > > **************************************************************** > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 15:03:01 -0600 People tend to NOT hit deer, cows, or other critters during a daylight ride to a breakfast meeting. People tend NOT to fall asleep and run off the road during a relatively short morning ride to a breakfast meeting. The degree of risk encountered in a continuous 24hr/1K Mile ride is significantly greater than that encountered in a ride to breakfast, or even a ride to a campout--and from a liability standpoint, one needs to step up one's degree of caution in carrying out the activity. Best, DeVern On 18 Sep 2003 at 16:41, Andy Sager wrote: > DeVern, > > I agree with you. However, to what extent does any activity > communicated by the club require a waiver? Do the same risks exist > for our breakfast gatherings or the ride to Hagerman this weekend? > Why is there no concern for club participation in these events but > there is for a SS1000? There could just as easily be a mishap and > lawsuit for a ride to breakfast versus a SS1000. > > Later, > > Andy > > > I suggest you take up the issue with the club president, who happens > > > to be a > > lawyer. I suspect that any event advertised over a club mail list > and listed in a > > club newsletter, and conducted by club officers, would be considered > > > a defacto > > club sponsored event--regardless of what was voted on or not voted > on. > > Furthermore, it matters NOT what the law spells out, one only needs > to > > convince twelve stupid people that damages are somehow due and they > will > > be. Lastly, it matters not whether your position WRT liability > is "clear" or not, > > the fact of the matter is that given the filing of a lawsuit by an > injured party, or > > the family of an injured party, it will cost the club the same > > amount > in legal fees > > to defend itself no matter who prevails in the lawsuit. Welcome to > America, > > the most litigious country on earth. > > > > Best, > > > > DeVern > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rick hepner" Subject: BB: 24 hours Date: 18 Sep 2003 18:13:39 -0600 DeVern & Andy, you both make good points. if I'm not mistaken, at last week's breakfast meeting a motion to require a waiver for participating in this event was made, seconded, and approved by a vote of the members. if that's correct, get out your pens. requiring a waiver for ALL club events sounds absurd, but it might come to that. it wouldn't hurt to have this matter carefully examined by a legal professional - we are not a deep-pockets target. Rick Hepner _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rick hepner" Subject: BB: test Date: 18 Sep 2003 19:41:31 -0600 checking if it works. Rick Hepner _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Benjamin Evans Subject: BB: (no subject) Date: 18 Sep 2003 20:17:31 -0600 unsubscribe beehive-beemers sadmac@xmission.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DNA Subject: Re: BB: (no subject) Date: 18 Sep 2003 19:57:29 -0700 (PDT) The law of natural selection at work! You are the weekest lenk,by by! --- Benjamin Evans wrote: > unsubscribe beehive-beemers sadmac@xmission.com > > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DNA Subject: Re: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 20:06:46 -0700 (PDT) I still can't believe what it takes to wake this list up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Controversy !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a good thing I guess ??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a good thing I guess!!!!!!!!!!!! --- DeVern Gerber wrote: > People tend to NOT hit deer, cows, or other critters > during a daylight ride to a > breakfast meeting. People tend NOT to fall asleep > and run off the road during > a relatively short morning ride to a breakfast > meeting. The degree of risk > encountered in a continuous 24hr/1K Mile ride is > significantly greater than that > encountered in a ride to breakfast, or even a ride > to a campout--and from a > liability standpoint, one needs to step up one's > degree of caution in carrying > out the activity. > > Best, > > DeVern > > > On 18 Sep 2003 at 16:41, Andy Sager wrote: > > > DeVern, > > > > I agree with you. However, to what extent does > any activity > > communicated by the club require a waiver? Do the > same risks exist > > for our breakfast gatherings or the ride to > Hagerman this weekend? > > Why is there no concern for club participation in > these events but > > there is for a SS1000? There could just as easily > be a mishap and > > lawsuit for a ride to breakfast versus a SS1000. > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > > I suggest you take up the issue with the club > president, who happens > > > > > to be a > > > lawyer. I suspect that any event advertised > over a club mail list > > and listed in a > > > club newsletter, and conducted by club officers, > would be considered > > > > > a defacto > > > club sponsored event--regardless of what was > voted on or not voted > > on. > > > Furthermore, it matters NOT what the law spells > out, one only needs > > to > > > convince twelve stupid people that damages are > somehow due and they > > will > > > be. Lastly, it matters not whether your > position WRT liability > > is "clear" or not, > > > the fact of the matter is that given the filing > of a lawsuit by an > > injured party, or > > > the family of an injured party, it will cost the > club the same > > > amount > > in legal fees > > > to defend itself no matter who prevails in the > lawsuit. Welcome to > > America, > > > the most litigious country on earth. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > DeVern > > > > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Think about it first ? ha ha Date: 18 Sep 2003 23:41:42 EDT --part1_b7.3668f4ea.2c9bd4f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff: I have been out of the action earlier today, but I brought up a motion at the last meeting which was voted on in the affirmative, that a waiver be signed by each and every participant who is also a member of the beehive beemers. DeVern made some valid points in his letter and besides, most rides to a breakfast meeting are not organized and people tend to get there on their own. DeVern can certainly tell you that when he has done the Iron Butt he has signed a waiver and there is a waiver for the 1088 as well. Crit --part1_b7.3668f4ea.2c9bd4f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff: I have been out of the action earlier today, but= I brought up a motion at the last meeting which was voted on in the affirma= tive, that a waiver be signed by each and every participant who is also a me= mber of the beehive beemers. DeVern made some valid points in his letter and= besides, most rides to a breakfast meeting are not organized and people ten= d to get there on their own. DeVern can certainly tell you that when he has=20= done the Iron Butt he has signed a waiver and there is a waiver for the 1088= as well.
Crit --part1_b7.3668f4ea.2c9bd4f6_boundary-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IRONHORSMC@aol.com Subject: BB: 13th Annual Park City Oil Bath Ride Date: 20 Sep 2003 10:36:31 EDT To All Members, Utah British Bike Club's 13th Annual Park City Oil Bath Ride Saturday Sept. 27, 2002 Meet at CHEZ BETTY RESTAURANT 9:30 AM Left at JAN'S MOUNTAIN OUTFITTERS on the corner of Deer Valley Drive and Park Ave Coffee & Doughnuts provided by CHEZ BETTY RESTAURANT & IRONHORSE M/C This year the ride will take us to Hanna once again, for a wonderful country style Buffet Lunch at the HANNA CAFE Questions, Comments. Tom Kullen 435 649-7169 utahnorton@sisna.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 20 Sep 2003 21:28:35 -0600 Stop and go back and read DeVern's note ending Welcome to America. Just beacuse we had a meeting and voted to not be responsible does in fact not mean a thing, period end of report. If someone decides to sue the club they can for what ever reason they want and we have to pay $$$$ to defend it. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:14 PM DeVern & Andy, you both make good points. if I'm not mistaken, at last week's breakfast meeting a motion to require a waiver for participating in this event was made, seconded, and approved by a vote of the members. if that's correct, get out your pens. requiring a waiver for ALL club events sounds absurd, but it might come to that. it wouldn't hurt to have this matter carefully examined by a legal professional - we are not a deep-pockets target. Rick Hepner _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 20 Sep 2003 22:18:00 -0600 At 09:28 PM 9/20/03 -0600, Jeb Berg wrote: >Stop and go back and read DeVern's note ending Welcome to America. Just >beacuse we had a meeting and voted to not be responsible does in fact not >mean a thing, period end of report. If someone decides to sue the club they >can for what ever reason they want and we have to pay $$$$ to defend it. Everyone can relax; the Saddlesore is NOT a club sponsored or sanctioned event. It is an event of personal challenge conforming to IBA guidelines as found on their web site. The fact that certain members of the club have expressed interest in such an event should not be construed as a club endorsement encouraging or requiring participation. Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Fazzini Jr." Subject: RE: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 06:52:53 -0700 Then why did the "club" make a motion, AND was allowed to vote on the release issue, which I think was a good idea, but if this was to NOT be a club event, then the voting should have been blocked by someone. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thane Beckstrand Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:18 PM At 09:28 PM 9/20/03 -0600, Jeb Berg wrote: >Stop and go back and read DeVern's note ending Welcome to America. Just >beacuse we had a meeting and voted to not be responsible does in fact >not mean a thing, period end of report. If someone decides to sue the >club they can for what ever reason they want and we have to pay $$$$ to >defend it. Everyone can relax; the Saddlesore is NOT a club sponsored or sanctioned event. It is an event of personal challenge conforming to IBA guidelines as found on their web site. The fact that certain members of the club have expressed interest in such an event should not be construed as a club endorsement encouraging or requiring participation. Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 11:04:34 EDT --part1_146.19517dcc.2c9f1802_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it was published in the club newstletter and it has used the club email forwarding system of dessimination of information, etc. That is why I brought up the motion to have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its isn't failsafe, but it would add an additional burden of proof to show that the club was responsible when the idea of this ride was first broached, I suggested not doing it through the club email system, etc. and all of this would have been avoided. Crit --part1_146.19517dcc.2c9f1802_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it was p= ublished in the club newstletter and it has used the club email forwarding s= ystem of dessimination of information, etc. That is why I brought up the mot= ion to have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its isn't failsafe, but it w= ould add an additional burden of proof to show that the club was responsible= when the idea of this ride was first broached, I suggested not doing it thr= ough the club email system, etc. and all of this would have been avoided. Crit --part1_146.19517dcc.2c9f1802_boundary-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: RE: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 10:53:36 -0600 At 06:52 AM 9/21/03 -0700, you wrote: >Then why did the "club" make a motion, AND was allowed to vote on the >release issue, which I think was a good idea, but if this was to NOT be >a club event, then the voting should have been blocked by someone. Dan... I was not at the meeting raising the issue, but it appears that the original intent was to make it a club event. After talking with Jeff yesterday and in light of the concerns voiced by some, he, Gavin, and I felt it would be more realistic and less controversial to let this event go forward as an individual activity with the routes and dates to be determined by those interested in participating. Perhaps the club needs to develop a policy statement to the effect that the club officers will propose activities in which the individual member can then decide whether he will participate or not at his own discretion and risk. I know that's how it's been done in practice, but perhaps it should be formalized to avoid future misunderstandings, dissension, and liability. Your questions were entirely appropriate and I'm sorry I didn't provide the above in my earlier post. Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Mabey" Subject: FW: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 19:42:10 -0600 -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:01 PM Guys! Isn't there an old saying about "...a tempest in a tea pot"? If someone sues, they'll go after the deep pockets - BMW Motorcycles and the dealer that sold the bike, the tech that worked on it last, etc. The worst that could happen to the club would be forty or fifty k in legal fees to get us dropped from the lawsuit. We could just raise the dues a few bucks for ten or twenty years if that were to happen. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thane Beckstrand Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:54 AM Cc: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com; David R. Hartwig; jtstokes@yahoo.com At 06:52 AM 9/21/03 -0700, you wrote: >Then why did the "club" make a motion, AND was allowed to vote on the >release issue, which I think was a good idea, but if this was to NOT be >a club event, then the voting should have been blocked by someone. Dan... I was not at the meeting raising the issue, but it appears that the original intent was to make it a club event. After talking with Jeff yesterday and in light of the concerns voiced by some, he, Gavin, and I felt it would be more realistic and less controversial to let this event go forward as an individual activity with the routes and dates to be determined by those interested in participating. Perhaps the club needs to develop a policy statement to the effect that the club officers will propose activities in which the individual member can then decide whether he will participate or not at his own discretion and risk. I know that's how it's been done in practice, but perhaps it should be formalized to avoid future misunderstandings, dissension, and liability. Your questions were entirely appropriate and I'm sorry I didn't provide the above in my earlier post. Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Fazzini Jr." Subject: RE: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 19:10:50 -0700 As I assume the club is a registered non-profit, the way I understand it is the most the "club" could be liable for is for it's assets, period. Although through a stretch they could go after individual officers if the were civilly responsible for setting something in motion, like they could probably do anyway if the club wasn't involved. As we do bring to or announce to the membership a host of other activities which motorcycle riders might be interested, but don't make them "club" events, under normal circumstances (of course what is normal), this shouldn't be a problem, although, we don't generally make motions on other non-club events either. All of this may bring a good point about investigating the possibly obtaining some sort of G/L insurance which does protect us against such suits in the future, especially as our annual rally is getting rather large. Dan **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Fwd: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 22:16:12 -0600 --=====================_276748763==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jeff will be sending an email to the membership that the event has been cancelled. Any further correspondence with individuals interested in participating in the Saddle Sore 1000 will be done privately and not through the BB email list or newsletter. -Gavin >From: Swan555@aol.com >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:04:34 EDT >Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours >To: danjr@fazzini.org, beehive-beemers@xmission.com >X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=8.0 > tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME > version=2.55 >X-Spam-Level: * >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sender: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >Reply-To: Swan555@aol.com >X-Virus-Scanned: by phobos.aros.net with amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) > >Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it was published in the club >newstletter and it has used the club email forwarding system of >dessimination of information, etc. That is why I brought up the motion to >have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its isn't failsafe, but it would >add an additional burden of proof to show that the club was responsible >when the idea of this ride was first broached, I suggested not doing it >through the club email system, etc. and all of this would have been avoided. >Crit --=====================_276748763==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Jeff will be sending an email to the membership that the event has been cancelled.  Any further correspondence with individuals interested in participating in the Saddle Sore 1000 will be done privately and not through the BB email list or newsletter. 

-Gavin

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Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it was published in the club newstletter and it has used the club email forwarding system of dessimination of information, etc. That is why I brought up the motion to have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its isn't failsafe, but it would add an additional burden of proof to show that the club was responsible when the idea of this ride was first broached, I suggested not doing it through the club email system, etc. and all of this would have been avoided.
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--=====================_276748763==.ALT-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: FW: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 21 Sep 2003 23:12:58 -0600 Only 40 or 50K?? Shoot, let's just have everyone donate their first- born motorcycle and we'll pay it off in no time! :^) DeVern On 21 Sep 2003 at 19:42, Bob Mabey wrote: > Guys! Isn't there an old saying about "...a tempest in a tea pot"? If > someone sues, they'll go after the deep pockets - BMW Motorcycles and > the dealer that sold the bike, the tech that worked on it last, etc. > The worst that could happen to the club would be forty or fifty k in > legal fees to get us dropped from the lawsuit. We could just raise the > dues a few bucks for ten or twenty years if that were to happen. > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jebberg@xmission.com Subject: RE: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:58:02 -0600 In order to answer questions likie this, one needs only attend the meeting. Quoting "Dan Fazzini Jr." : > Then why did the "club" make a motion, AND was allowed to vote on the > release issue, which I think was a good idea, but if this was to NOT be > a club event, then the voting should have been blocked by someone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thane > Beckstrand > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:18 PM > To: Jeb Berg; 'rick hepner'; beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours > > > At 09:28 PM 9/20/03 -0600, Jeb Berg wrote: > >Stop and go back and read DeVern's note ending Welcome to America. Just > > >beacuse we had a meeting and voted to not be responsible does in fact > >not mean a thing, period end of report. If someone decides to sue the > >club they can for what ever reason they want and we have to pay $$$$ to > > >defend it. > > Everyone can relax; the Saddlesore is NOT a club sponsored or sanctioned > > event. It is an event of personal challenge conforming to IBA > guidelines > as found on their web site. The fact that certain members of the club > have > expressed interest in such an event should not be construed as a club > endorsement encouraging or requiring participation. > > Thane > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Fazzini Jr." Subject: RE: BB: RE: 24 hours Date: 22 Sep 2003 09:03:18 -0600 Well, excuse me, I was on a bike trip in Oregon at the time! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:58 AM Cc: Beehive Beemers In order to answer questions likie this, one needs only attend the meeting. Quoting "Dan Fazzini Jr." : > Then why did the "club" make a motion, AND was allowed to vote on the > release issue, which I think was a good idea, but if this was to NOT > be a club event, then the voting should have been blocked by someone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thane > Beckstrand > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:18 PM > To: Jeb Berg; 'rick hepner'; beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours > > > At 09:28 PM 9/20/03 -0600, Jeb Berg wrote: > >Stop and go back and read DeVern's note ending Welcome to America. > >Just > > >beacuse we had a meeting and voted to not be responsible does in fact > >not mean a thing, period end of report. If someone decides to sue the > >club they can for what ever reason they want and we have to pay $$$$ to > > >defend it. > > Everyone can relax; the Saddlesore is NOT a club sponsored or > sanctioned > > event. It is an event of personal challenge conforming to IBA > guidelines as found on their web site. The fact that certain members > of the club have > expressed interest in such an event should not be construed as a club > endorsement encouraging or requiring participation. > > Thane > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jebberg@xmission.com Subject: BB: 24 hours Date: 22 Sep 2003 09:34:13 -0600 Gavin and Jeff - I was not and am not interested in this ride but felt that it was a good oppurtunity for some who were so inclined. At no point did I envision this as having become an underwritten Beehive Beemers event. When I read this note this morning I thought, outstandingly well written note! And I thank you guys. Now hopefully that ends the speculation and controversey and we can get back to enjoying the sport of motorcycling (That is what this is about or did I miss something?) To me, the messages are clear from this long drawn out list of BS over the last days, and taking into account previous diatribes of the past coming from this list: 1. Don't try anything new. 2. Never call for a vote on any motions brought up at a club meeting until the motion has been studied by all members, especially those who never attend any club meetings, as well as a legal staff (to assure that the club never has any cash. This will of course make the filing of a legal suit against a bankrupt club moot. 3. Any discussion concerning any activity involving actually getting on a motorcycle and riding needs to be done in the parking lot after the meeting without any board members in ear shot, out of fear of a lawsuit. 4. Don't write any Stinger articles about upcoming events involving the riding of motorcycles because some lawyer out there might figure out that the Beehive Beemers Motorcycle Club of Utah is in fact a motorcycle club and that its members partake in the sport of riding motorcycles. Perhaps it is time to drop the club membership. Thanks Disenchanted (aka. Jeb Berg) Quoting Gavin Wallace : > Jeff will be sending an email to the membership that the event has been > cancelled. Any further correspondence with individuals interested in > participating in the Saddle Sore 1000 will be done privately and not > through the BB email list or newsletter. > > -Gavin > > >From: Swan555@aol.com > >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:04:34 EDT > >Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours > >To: danjr@fazzini.org, beehive-beemers@xmission.com > >X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 > >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=8.0 > > tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME > > version=2.55 > >X-Spam-Level: * > >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Sender: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > >Reply-To: Swan555@aol.com > >X-Virus-Scanned: by phobos.aros.net with amavisd-milter > (http://amavis.org/) > > > >Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it was published in the > club > >newstletter and it has used the club email forwarding system of > >dessimination of information, etc. That is why I brought up the motion > to > >have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its isn't failsafe, but it > would > >add an additional burden of proof to show that the club was responsible > > >when the idea of this ride was first broached, I suggested not doing it > > >through the club email system, etc. and all of this would have been > avoided. > >Crit > > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff S." Subject: Re: BB: 24 hours Date: 22 Sep 2003 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) BBers, I completely second Jebs comments in his posting this morning. By proposing this event my intention was to offer a wider range of riding opportunities to meet the needs of a growing club with diverse interests. I did use the club email list to discuss the event and did speak of it at club meetings. I had always assumed that the legal issues were covered as I have organized many rides in the last two years as VP with no demands for a waiver. Are traditional club rides exempt? I will leave it to those with a legal education to tell me where we stand on the liability issue. So it is with deep disappointment that I must cancel this event set for Oct 4th. For those still interested in pursuing this event on their own, with no club involvement, I would encourage them to visit www.ironbutt.com for more information. Sincerely Jeff Stokes Vice-Pres Beehive Beemers MC --- jebberg@xmission.com wrote: > Gavin and Jeff - I was not and am not interested in > this ride but felt > that it was a good oppurtunity for some who were so > inclined. At no point > did I envision this as having become an underwritten > Beehive Beemers > event. When I read this note this morning I thought, > outstandingly well > written note! And I thank you guys. Now hopefully > that ends the > speculation and controversey and we can get back to > enjoying the sport of > motorcycling (That is what this is about or did I > miss something?) > > To me, the messages are clear from this long drawn > out list of BS over the > last days, and taking into account previous > diatribes of the past coming > from this list: > > 1. Don't try anything new. > 2. Never call for a vote on any motions brought up > at a club meeting until > the motion has been studied by all members, > especially those who never > attend any club meetings, as well as a legal staff > (to assure that the > club never has any cash. This will of course make > the filing of a legal > suit against a bankrupt club moot. > 3. Any discussion concerning any activity involving > actually getting on a > motorcycle and riding needs to be done in the > parking lot after the > meeting without any board members in ear shot, out > of fear of a lawsuit. > 4. Don't write any Stinger articles about upcoming > events involving the > riding of motorcycles because some lawyer out there > might figure out that > the Beehive Beemers Motorcycle Club of Utah is in > fact a motorcycle club > and that its members partake in the sport of riding > motorcycles. > > Perhaps it is time to drop the club membership. > > Thanks > > Disenchanted > > (aka. Jeb Berg) > > Quoting Gavin Wallace : > > > Jeff will be sending an email to the membership > that the event has been > > cancelled. Any further correspondence with > individuals interested in > > participating in the Saddle Sore 1000 will be done > privately and not > > through the BB email list or newsletter. > > > > -Gavin > > > > >From: Swan555@aol.com > > >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:04:34 EDT > > >Subject: Re: BB: RE: 24 hours > > >To: danjr@fazzini.org, > beehive-beemers@xmission.com > > >X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 > > >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=8.0 > > > tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME > > > version=2.55 > > >X-Spam-Level: * > > >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 > (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > >Sender: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > > >Reply-To: Swan555@aol.com > > >X-Virus-Scanned: by phobos.aros.net with > amavisd-milter > > (http://amavis.org/) > > > > > >Thane: The Problem with your scenairo is that it > was published in the > > club > > >newstletter and it has used the club email > forwarding system of > > >dessimination of information, etc. That is why I > brought up the motion > > to > > >have a waiver signed, as Jeb pointed out its > isn't failsafe, but it > > would > > >add an additional burden of proof to show that > the club was responsible > > > > >when the idea of this ride was first broached, I > suggested not doing it > > > > >through the club email system, etc. and all of > this would have been > > avoided. > > >Crit > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: Re: BB: 24 hours Date: 22 Sep 2003 18:59:11 -0600 At 09:34 AM 9/22/03 -0600, jebberg@xmission.com wrote: >Gavin and Jeff - I was not and am not interested in this ride but felt >that it was a good oppurtunity for some who were so inclined. At no point >did I envision this as having become an underwritten Beehive Beemers >event. When I read this note this morning I thought, outstandingly well >written note! And I thank you guys. Now hopefully that ends the >speculation and controversey and we can get back to enjoying the sport of >motorcycling (That is what this is about or did I miss something?) > >To me, the messages are clear from this long drawn out list of BS over the >last days, and taking into account previous diatribes of the past coming >from this list: > >1. Don't try anything new. >2. Never call for a vote on any motions brought up at a club meeting until >the motion has been studied by all members, especially those who never >attend any club meetings, as well as a legal staff (to assure that the >club never has any cash. This will of course make the filing of a legal >suit against a bankrupt club moot. >3. Any discussion concerning any activity involving actually getting on a >motorcycle and riding needs to be done in the parking lot after the >meeting without any board members in ear shot, out of fear of a lawsuit. >4. Don't write any Stinger articles about upcoming events involving the >riding of motorcycles because some lawyer out there might figure out that >the Beehive Beemers Motorcycle Club of Utah is in fact a motorcycle club >and that its members partake in the sport of riding motorcycles. > >Perhaps it is time to drop the club membership. > >Thanks > >Disenchanted > >(aka. Jeb Berg) Jeb... I like what you said. I hope you'll stick around and repeat it once in awhile. I've always felt that a motorcycle club is about riding, and I applaud the efforts of the current administration in coming up with creative suggestion along those lines. Those that don't want to do it are certainly free to express their opinions, and those that do are certainly free to ignore them. I, for one, have been looking forward to doing the SS1001 as proposed by Jeff, and, weather permitting, I plan on doing it 10/4. Regards, Thane **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: Fwd: Re: BB: 24 hours Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:32:29 -0600 >X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to >bklarge@concentric.net using -f >From: bklarge@concentric.net >To: K1Thane@softcom.net >Cc: >Subject: Re: BB: 24 hours >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:46:35 -0600 >X-pstn-levels: (C:92.2131 M:97.3254 P: 0.0031 R:95.9108 S:35.0853 ) >X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:112.5000) Pmcr >X-pstn-addresses: from [57/2] >X-pstn-disposition: quarantine > >Following all of this bs with much amusement now for about 10 days. When >I joined the club 15 or so years ago had someone wanted to undertake such >an event he would have just called a few friends that he felt shared an >interest and gone for it. Now all the talk of lawyers and such shit. I am >sorry but I doubt the club treasury is an inviting target, even for the >most desperate of the ambulance chasers. jmho while roflmao in Europe for >still another week Big John > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlson William Civ OO-ALC/LGVTN Subject: RE: Re: BB: 24 hours Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:29:12 -0600 Behive Beemers, Can someone out there take me off the Beehive email list. I don't want to listen to or have this nonsense on my PC anymore. William F. Carlson OO-ALC/LGVTN 1F-4, E3 T.O. Mgr DSN 777-6774 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:32 AM >X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to >bklarge@concentric.net using -f >From: bklarge@concentric.net >To: K1Thane@softcom.net >Cc: >Subject: Re: BB: 24 hours >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:46:35 -0600 >X-pstn-levels: (C:92.2131 M:97.3254 P: 0.0031 R:95.9108 S:35.0853 ) >X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:112.5000) Pmcr >X-pstn-addresses: from [57/2] >X-pstn-disposition: quarantine > >Following all of this bs with much amusement now for about 10 days. When >I joined the club 15 or so years ago had someone wanted to undertake such >an event he would have just called a few friends that he felt shared an >interest and gone for it. Now all the talk of lawyers and such shit. I am >sorry but I doubt the club treasury is an inviting target, even for the >most desperate of the ambulance chasers. jmho while roflmao in Europe for >still another week Big John > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DNA Subject: RE: Re: BB: 24 hours Date: 24 Sep 2003 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) --- Carlson William Civ OO-ALC/LGVTN wrote: > Behive Beemers, > > Can someone out there take me off the Beehive email > list. I don't want to > listen to or have this nonsense on my PC anymore. > > William F. Carlson > OO-ALC/LGVTN > 1F-4, E3 T.O. Mgr > DSN 777-6774 > > Fallow the instructions at this url please. http://www.beehive-beemers.org/mail_list.php > -----Original Message----- > From: Thane Beckstrand [mailto:K1Thane@softcom.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:32 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Fwd: Re: BB: 24 hours > > > > >X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody > set sender to > >bklarge@concentric.net using -f > >From: bklarge@concentric.net > >To: K1Thane@softcom.net > >Cc: > >Subject: Re: BB: 24 hours > >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:46:35 -0600 > >X-pstn-levels: (C:92.2131 M:97.3254 P: 0.0031 > R:95.9108 S:35.0853 ) > >X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:112.5000) Pmcr > >X-pstn-addresses: from > [57/2] > >X-pstn-disposition: quarantine > > > >Following all of this bs with much amusement now > for about 10 days. When > >I joined the club 15 or so years ago had someone > wanted to undertake such > >an event he would have just called a few friends > that he felt shared an > >interest and gone for it. Now all the talk of > lawyers and such shit. I am > >sorry but I doubt the club treasury is an inviting > target, even for the > >most desperate of the ambulance chasers. jmho while > roflmao in Europe for > >still another week Big John > > > > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Mabey" Subject: BB: Sticker Shock Date: 24 Sep 2003 19:22:58 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C382D1.482A8DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put it on the card. Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer. Does this mean that the old airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or am I just out of touch now that I'm only doing one or two oil changes a year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart? I will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine. Anyone have a good source for these? By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wife's Saab Turbo) for some time now. Seems that I paid less than $4 each for those a few weeks ago. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C382D1.482A8DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this = afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put = it on the card.  Checking = tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer.  Does this mean that the old = airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or = am I just out of touch now that I’m only doing one or two oil changes a = year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart?  I will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine.  Anyone have a good source for = these?

 

By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 = oil filters (the same used by the wife’s Saab Turbo) for some time = now.  Seems that I paid less than $4 = each for those a few weeks ago.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C382D1.482A8DF0-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Fazzini Jr." Subject: BB: RE: Sticker Shock Date: 24 Sep 2003 19:45:14 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C382D4.5FFEAF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have to pay for all of those BMW Lawyers... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Mabey Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:23 PM Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put it on the card. Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer. Does this mean that the old airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or am I just out of touch now that I'm only doing one or two oil changes a year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart? I will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine. Anyone have a good source for these? By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wife's Saab Turbo) for some time now. Seems that I paid less than $4 each for those a few weeks ago. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C382D4.5FFEAF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 have to pay for all of those BMW Lawyers...
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Bob=20 Mabey
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:23 = PM
To:=20 Beehive-Beemers
Subject: BB: Sticker = Shock

Bought a hinged oil = filter for the=20 old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see = how much=20 it cost to put it on the card.  Checking tonight, I find that = these=20 puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer.  Does this mean that the old = airhead is=20 now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, = or am I=20 just out of touch now that I’m only doing one or two oil changes = a year on my=20 twenty-year-old sweet heart?  = I=20 will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine.  Anyone have a good source = for these?=20

 

By the by, the GS has = been getting=20 by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wife’s Saab = Turbo) for some=20 time now.  Seems that I = paid less=20 than $4 each for those a few weeks ago.=20

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C382D4.5FFEAF30-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Mabey" Subject: BB: RE: RE: Sticker Shock Date: 24 Sep 2003 19:52:41 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C382D5.6D496F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's why (one reason, at least) I don't own an airplane. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dan Fazzini Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:45 PM You have to pay for all of those BMW Lawyers... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Mabey Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:23 PM Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put it on the card. Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer. Does this mean that the old airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or am I just out of touch now that I'm only doing one or two oil changes a year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart? I will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine. Anyone have a good source for these? By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wife's Saab Turbo) for some time now. Seems that I paid less than $4 each for those a few weeks ago. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C382D5.6D496F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

That’s why (one reason, at = least) I don’t own an airplane.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dan Fazzini Jr.
Sent: = Wednesday, September 24, = 2003 7:45 PM
To: Beehive Beemers
Subject: BB: RE: Sticker = Shock

 

You have to pay = for all of those BMW Lawyers...

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Mabey
Sent: = Wednesday, September 24, = 2003 7:23 PM
To: Beehive-Beemers
Subject: BB: Sticker = Shock

Bought a hinged oil filter = for the old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see = how much it cost to put it on the card.  Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, = before tax, from the dealer.  Does this = mean that the old airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made = in limited quantities, or am I just out of touch now that I’m only = doing one or two oil changes a year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart?  I will be checking prices in = the next issue of the MOA magazine.  = Anyone have a good source for these?

 

By the by, the GS has been = getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wife’s Saab = Turbo) for some time now.  Seems that = I paid less than $4 each for those a few weeks ago. =

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C382D5.6D496F80-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Sticker Shock Date: 24 Sep 2003 21:41:33 -0600 --=====================_91137558==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:23:48 -0600 >To: "Bob Mabey" >From: Gavin Wallace >Subject: Re: BB: Sticker Shock > >Bob: > >I recently purchased an OEM filter for the K12RS for $17/ Tax. I had my >panties in a bunch over the price, but then realized that it is only $20 >to $30/ year extra for BMW original parts, paint-free surface and piece of >mind. The IBMWR page used to have a long list of aftermarket oil filters >along with user's experience and comments. It's the tires that I can't >afford...(Sorry Mike!) > >--Gavin > >At 07:22 PM 9/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >>Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this afternoon, not even >>bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put it on the >>card. Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before >>tax, from the dealer. Does this mean that the old airhead is now rare >>enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or am I just >>out of touch now that Im only doing one or two oil changes a year on my >>twenty-year-old sweet heart? I will be checking prices in the next issue >>of the MOA magazine. Anyone have a good source for these? >> >> >> >>By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same >>used by the wifes Saab Turbo) for some time now. Seems that I paid less >>than $4 each for those a few weeks ago. --=====================_91137558==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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Bob:

I recently purchased an OEM filter for the K12RS for $17/ Tax.  I had my panties in a bunch over the price, but then realized that it is only $20 to $30/ year extra for BMW original parts, paint-free surface and piece of mind.  The IBMWR page used to have a long list of aftermarket oil filters along with user's experience and comments.  It's the tires that I can't afford...(Sorry Mike!)

--Gavin

At 07:22 PM 9/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Bought a hinged oil filter for the old RS this afternoon, not even bothering to put on my glasses to see how much it cost to put it on the card.  Checking tonight, I find that these puppies are now $14.49, before tax, from the dealer.  Does this mean that the old airhead is now rare enough that the filters are hand made in limited quantities, or am I just out of touch now that Im only doing one or two oil changes a year on my twenty-year-old sweet heart?  I will be checking prices in the next issue of the MOA magazine.  Anyone have a good source for these?

 

By the by, the GS has been getting by on Fram 3614 oil filters (the same used by the wifes Saab Turbo) for some time now.  Seems that I paid less than $4 each for those a few weeks ago.

--=====================_91137558==.ALT-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Mabey" Subject: BB: Tires Date: 24 Sep 2003 22:03:41 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C382E7.BB200540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I could go for the K12RS - until one of you hotshots reminds me of the cost and low mileage on the tires! They ought to last at least as long as an oil change. Met a guy in Wendover Saturday who had put almost 50k on his KRS in the last 18 months riding around CONUS and Alaska doing security inspections for the government. Said he liked Pirellis, but hit a porcupine a few weeks ago at speed and was disappointed that the rear tire just didn't hold up! I've found the shop's Michelin prices for the GS to be pretty fair when you toss in the mounting and balancing. As for not using BMW parts, you can find about any horror (or is it whore?) story you want on the chat pages. With almost 200k on the two bikes, maybe I need an excuse to have to buy a new one anyway. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C382E7.BB200540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yep, I could go for the K12RS – until one of = you hotshots reminds me of the cost and low mileage on the tires!  They ought to last at least as = long as an oil change.  Met a guy = in Wendover Saturday who had put almost 50k on his KRS in the last 18 = months riding around CONUS and = Alaska = doing security inspections for the government.  Said he liked Pirellis, but hit a porcupine a few weeks ago at = speed and was disappointed that the rear tire just didn’t hold up!  I’ve found the = shop’s Michelin prices for the GS to be pretty fair when you toss in the mounting and balancing.

 

As for not using BMW parts, you can find about any = horror (or is it whore?) story you want on the chat pages.  With almost 200k on the two = bikes, maybe I need an excuse to have to buy a new one = anyway.

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C382E7.BB200540-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Tires Date: 24 Sep 2003 22:28:15 -0600 On 24 Sep 2003 at 22:03, Bob Mabey wrote: > maybe I need an excuse to have to buy a new > one anyway. > Just don't forget, Bob-- ahead of time, it's a reason. Afterward, *then* it's an excuse! :^) Best, DeVern **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff S." Subject: BB: Fall Campout Date: 25 Sep 2003 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT) BB'ers Want some FRESH AIR? Dont forget that this weekend is the Fall Campout! We have reservations at 'Lava ranch ' just to the west of Lava hot springs. Here is the link to the map on our web site. http://www.beehive-beemers.org/maps/lava_ranch.gif and here is the phone# 208-776-9917 to the campgrounds. I'll be packing up my bathing suit and cigars, heading up tomorrow afternoon. Hope you all can make it. regards Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David R. Hartwig" Subject: BB: Idea Date: 25 Sep 2003 18:54:50 -0600 In light of the current activity surrounding Jeff's suggestions and discussion of the 1001 ride, the board members who were present at Hagermann, along with a couple of members for additional input, held a discussion about a number of related issues. What we came up with is essentially as follows: 1. We will review the bylaws and propose an amendment that any motion for the general membership may be proposed at a meeting; it will then be tabled until the next month's meeting and be published in The Stinger so that the entire membership is aware of the motion; at the next monthly meeting the motion will be brought forward for discussion and then a vote taken. The concept here is to allow time for deliberation, review and dissemination of the motion, its content and potential effect, along with all pros and cons. There can be discussions on the list server just as we have presently. All members will be notified of the motion and will have time to prepare to attend the subsequent meeting to air their concerns prior to a vote. It is our hope that this procedure, while being somewhat mechanical, will avoid the problems and conflicts that have occurred recently with the 1001 and in the past with the idea of selling the membership list. In that way, we all can think on that which is proposed, have timely discussions and then vote on the issue. 2. We will also review the bylaws to ensure that the use of the list server and email exchange is simply a method of communications between members; an effort to clarify that, just like Thane said in one of his emails. An invitation to ride is not a "club event" but is merely a social "personal" invitation; no different than using the phone to call some people. It is true that riding a motorcycle is inherently dangerous. I do not have to point this out to anyone! We all know that. I also understand that the older members do have the memory of a death of a rider, I believe enroute to a meeting or campout. That is a memory we should all retain and understand that no matter what happens, if there is a problem the club could be legally involved no matter what we do (no intention here as to the good or bad of our legal system -- it does seem to carry the faith of many of our citizenry for otherwise they wouldn't use it -- this is just a statement of fact). No release can prevent litigation! It may improve the likelihood of an earlier dismissal from the case, but that still is litigation and can cost major bucks! Hopefully these ideas, if adopted, will help clarify matters and procedures and bring about easier and less confusing communications about what we as a club are and our individual rights in this club. **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff S." Subject: Re: BB: Idea Date: 26 Sep 2003 07:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Dave, I completely agree with and applaud all your ideas listed in this mornings email. It is my sincere hope that once these changes are in place that we can move forward as a club and offer the variety of riding events that I believe the members of our club want and deserve. Regards Jeff Stokes V-President BB --- "David R. Hartwig" wrote: > In light of the current activity surrounding Jeff's > suggestions and > discussion of the 1001 ride, the board members who > were present at > Hagermann, along with a couple of members for > additional input, held a > discussion about a number of related issues. What > we came up with is > essentially as follows: > > 1. We will review the bylaws and propose an > amendment that any > motion for the general membership may be proposed at > a meeting; it will > then be tabled until the next month's meeting and be > published in The > Stinger so that the entire membership is aware of > the motion; at the > next monthly meeting the motion will be brought > forward for discussion > and then a vote taken. > > The concept here is to allow time for > deliberation, review and > dissemination of the motion, its content and > potential effect, along > with all pros and cons. There can be discussions on > the list server > just as we have presently. All members will be > notified of the motion > and will have time to prepare to attend the > subsequent meeting to air > their concerns prior to a vote. It is our hope that > this procedure, > while being somewhat mechanical, will avoid the > problems and conflicts > that have occurred recently with the 1001 and in the > past with the idea > of selling the membership list. In that way, we all > can think on that > which is proposed, have timely discussions and then > vote on the issue. > > 2. We will also review the bylaws to ensure that > the use of the list > server and email exchange is simply a method of > communications between > members; an effort to clarify that, just like Thane > said in one of his > emails. An invitation to ride is not a "club event" > but is merely a > social "personal" invitation; no different than > using the phone to call > some people. > > It is true that riding a motorcycle is > inherently dangerous. I do > not have to point this out to anyone! We all know > that. > > I also understand that the older members do > have the memory of a > death of a rider, I believe enroute to a meeting or > campout. That is a > memory we should all retain and understand that no > matter what happens, > if there is a problem the club could be legally > involved no matter what > we do (no intention here as to the good or bad of > our legal system -- it > does seem to carry the faith of many of our > citizenry for otherwise they > wouldn't use it -- this is just a statement of > fact). > > No release can prevent litigation! It may > improve the likelihood > of an earlier dismissal from the case, but that > still is litigation and > can cost major bucks! > > > Hopefully these ideas, if adopted, will help > clarify matters and > procedures and bring about easier and less confusing > communications > about what we as a club are and our individual > rights in this club. > > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Idea Date: 26 Sep 2003 11:55:30 EDT --part1_a1.3e4c53ce.2ca5bb72_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: If you are talking about substantial changes to by-laws, etc I agree, but we routinely bring up minor manors at club meetings and vote on them, such as sending flowers for death's etc. Certainly those things do not need to be tabeled till the next meeting. this is after all a demorcacy, and not a subdivision of Animal Farm. About nine years ago, we had the raspberry run to Garden City, through Monty, and a member of the club, died on the spot from injuries sustained when he rode off the road. It was a large group ride, although the group was very spread out, and it was the last group ride I have ever been on, or will do again. Crit --part1_a1.3e4c53ce.2ca5bb72_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David: If you are talking about substantial changes to= by-laws, etc I agree, but we routinely bring up minor manors at club meetin= gs and vote on them, such as sending flowers for death's etc. Certainly thos= e things do not need to be tabeled till the next meeting. this is after all=20= a demorcacy, and not a subdivision of Animal Farm.
About nine years ago, we had the raspberry run to Garden City, through Monty= , and a member of the club, died on the spot from injuries sustained when he= rode off the road. It was a large group ride, although the group was very s= pread out, and it was the last group ride I have ever been on, or will do ag= ain.
Crit --part1_a1.3e4c53ce.2ca5bb72_boundary-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IRONHORSMC@aol.com Subject: BB: Park City Oil Bath Ride Remainder.. Lunch Catered by Sugarhouse Barbeque Company Date: 26 Sep 2003 12:18:07 EDT Reminder... This year the ride will take us to Hanna once again, The timing is right for the turning of the leaves and the weather couldn't be better. Lunch will be catered by Sugarhouse Barbeque Company at $10.00 per person all inclusive. Utah British Bike Club's 13th Annual Park City Oil Bath Ride Saturday Sept. 27, 2003 Meet at CHEZ BETTY RESTAURANT 9:30 AM Left at JAN'S MOUNTAIN OUTFITTERS on the corner of Deer Valley Drive and Park Ave Coffee & Doughnuts provided by CHEZ BETTY RESTAURANT & IRONHORSE M/C Questions, Comments. Tom Kullen 435 649-7169 utahnorton@sisna.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IRONHORSMC@aol.com Subject: BB: Park City Motorcycle Club Invitation to Ride... All Beehive Beemers! Date: 26 Sep 2003 12:22:52 EDT Beehive Beemers: You are invited to join the First Annual 4-Pass Ride sponsored by the Park City Motorcycle Club Park City Motorcycle Club's "Four Pass Ride" is Saturday, Oct. 11. The ride is a casual, easy going Poker Run with a suggested 350 mile route across 4 beautiful mountain highway passes, midday lunch stop in Mt. Pleasant and dinner/social gathering in Park City at the end. Shorter alternative routes are easily available. The ride will last approximately 8 hours, more or less, depending on your riding style. You will qualify for cards based on the following: 1 at morning check-in, 3 at lunch stop (with lunch receipt from restaurant), 1 at ride's end and six additional cards for correctly answering questions from bonus locations throughout the ride. This will give each rider a maximum of eleven cards from which to create a poker hand. At the after-ride dinner the best hand gets First Prize among the awards, next best hand gets Second Prize and so forth. Riders may check in anytime between 7:00 and 9:00 AM at The Off Main Cafe, 1782 Prospector Ave. Park City. We strongly urge you to start the ride no later than 9:00 AM in order to complete the ride during daylight hours and make it to the dinner. The ride will proceed through Provo Canyon to Spanish Fork, Payson, Mt. Nebo Scenic Loop Drive and to Mt. Pleasant for a lunch stop. The lunch stop is at Horseshoe Inn on highway 89, Mt. Pleasant, at the South end of town. The ride continues through Huntington Canyon to Huntington, Price, Helper, Indian Canyon Rd. (Rte. 191) to Duchesne, Tabiona, Hanna, Wolf Creek Pass (Rte. 35) to Kamas and back to Park City. The ride ends at The Broken Thumb restaurant 1200 Little Kate Rd., Park City (corner of Monitor Dr., in the PC Racquet Club). Here riders will draw the cards they are entitled to and create their best hand. We will have a no-host dinner/social and award of prizes to the lucky poker hands. If you can't make the ride but would like to join us for the dinner/social you're welcome to. Join us at the Broken Thumb around 6:30 PM. There is no charge for this event. Participants are responsible for their tabs at lunch and dinner. As a courtesy to the organizers please register in advance by email through the PCMC web site (www.parkcitymotorcycleclub.org) by sending a note that you will be participating to President, Secretary or Treasurer. Or call Steve Sady's office, 435-783-5889 or Thane Beckstrand 801-566-7265 with your information. Rain date is Oct. 18. In case of foul weather (snow, ice, serious rain) we will delay the ride to Oct. 18 and a PCMC officer will be at The Off Main Cafe Oct. 11 to tell those who show up that we're rained out. We are fortunate to live in the center of some of America's best motorcycling. Come out and enjoy these four passes, the roads connecting them and fellow motorcycle enthusiasts. **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thane Beckstrand Subject: BB: Fwd: Only in Alaska Date: 30 Sep 2003 11:46:37 -0600 --=====================_180716084==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >X-Sender: Karlb@softcom.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:42:35 -0600 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: Karl Beckstrand >Subject: Fwd: Only in Alaska > > > >>>Subject: Fwd: Only in Alaska >>> >>> >>>The day after reporting his wife missing in a diving accident, a man >>>answered his door to find two grim-faced Alaska State Troopers. >>> >>>"We're sorry to call on you at this hour, Mr. Wilkins, but we have some >>>information about your wife." >>> >>>"Tell me! Did you find her?" the man cried. >>> >>>The troopers looked at each other. One said, "We have some bad news, >>>some >>>good news, and some really great news. Which do you want to hear first?" >>> >>>Fearing the worse, an ashen Mr. Wilkins said, "Give me the bad news >>>first." >>> >>>The trooper said, "I'm sorry to tell you, sir, but this morning we found >>>your wife's body in Kachemak Bay." >>> >>>"Oh my god!" said Mr. Wilkins, overcome by emotion. Swallowing hard, he >>>asked, "What's the good news?" >>> >>>The trooper continued. "When we pulled her up she had two five-pound >>>king >>>crabs and a half-dozen good size Dungeness crabs on her." >>> >>>Stunned, Mr. Wilkins demanded, "If that's the good news, then what's the >>>great news?" >>> >>>The trooper said, "We're going to pull her up again tomorrow morning." >> >> >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! >>SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --=====================_180716084==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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The day after reporting his wife missing in a diving accident, a man
answered his door to find two grim-faced Alaska State Troopers.

"We're sorry to call on you at this hour, Mr. Wilkins, but we have some
information about your wife."

"Tell me! Did you find her?" the man cried.

The troopers looked at each other. One said, "We have some bad news,
some
good news, and some really great news. Which do you want to hear first?"

Fearing the worse, an ashen Mr. Wilkins said, "Give me the bad news
first."

The trooper said, "I'm sorry to tell you, sir, but this morning we found
your wife's body in Kachemak Bay."

"Oh my god!" said Mr. Wilkins, overcome by emotion. Swallowing hard, he
asked, "What's the good news?"

The trooper continued. "When we pulled her up she had two five-pound
king
crabs and a half-dozen good size Dungeness crabs on her."

Stunned, Mr. Wilkins demanded, "If that's the good news, then what's the
great news?"

The trooper said, "We're going to pull her up again tomorrow morning."


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--=====================_180716084==.ALT-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Sager" Subject: Re: BB: Park City Motorcycle Club Invitation to Ride... All Beehive Beemers! Date: 30 Sep 2003 20:49:02 -0400 Ahh, err, I am sorry but this type of message on this board is not allowed as it sounds like a little too much fun. We in this club do not like to have fun especially when it comes to riding. So please discontinue sending any messages where the participants may enjoy themselves. Sincerely, President of the fun haters club of Utah Andy "Kiss my a$$" Sager DISCLAIMER: No animals, motorcycles, or egos were injured in the typing of this message. However if your ego takes offense to this type of message, then I nominate you as the new President of the fun haters club of Utah. 8>) > Beehive Beemers: You are invited to join the First Annual 4-Pass Ride > sponsored by the Park City Motorcycle Club > > > Park City Motorcycle Club's "Four Pass Ride" is Saturday, Oct. 11. > > The ride is a casual, easy going Poker Run with a suggested 350 mile route > across 4 beautiful mountain highway passes, midday lunch stop in Mt. Pleasant > and dinner/social gathering in Park City at the end. Shorter alternative > routes are easily available. The ride will last approximately 8 hours, more or > less, depending on your riding style. > > You will qualify for cards based on the following: 1 at morning check-in, 3 > at lunch stop (with lunch receipt from restaurant), 1 at ride's end and six > additional cards for correctly answering questions from bonus locations > throughout the ride. This will give each rider a maximum of eleven cards from which > to create a poker hand. At the after-ride dinner the best hand gets First > Prize among the awards, next best hand gets Second Prize and so forth. > > Riders may check in anytime between 7:00 and 9:00 AM at The Off Main Cafe, > 1782 Prospector Ave. Park City. We strongly urge you to start the ride no > later than 9:00 AM in order to complete the ride during daylight hours and make > it to the dinner. > > The ride will proceed through Provo Canyon to Spanish Fork, Payson, Mt. > Nebo Scenic Loop Drive and to Mt. Pleasant for a lunch stop. The lunch stop is > at Horseshoe Inn on highway 89, Mt. Pleasant, at the South end of town. The > ride continues through Huntington Canyon to Huntington, Price, Helper, Indian > Canyon Rd. (Rte. 191) to Duchesne, Tabiona, Hanna, Wolf Creek Pass (Rte. 35) to > Kamas and back to Park City. > > The ride ends at The Broken Thumb restaurant 1200 Little Kate Rd., Park > City (corner of Monitor Dr., in the PC Racquet Club). Here riders will draw the > cards they are entitled to and create their best hand. We will have a no-host > dinner/social and award of prizes to the lucky poker hands. > > If you can't make the ride but would like to join us for the dinner/social > you're welcome to. Join us at the Broken Thumb around 6:30 PM. > > There is no charge for this event. Participants are responsible for their > tabs at lunch and dinner. > > As a courtesy to the organizers please register in advance by email through > the PCMC web site (www.parkcitymotorcycleclub.org) by sending a note that you > will be participating to President, Secretary or Treasurer. Or call Steve > Sady's office, 435-783-5889 or Thane Beckstrand 801-566-7265 with your > information. > > Rain date is Oct. 18. In case of foul weather (snow, ice, serious rain) we > will delay the ride to Oct. 18 and a PCMC officer will be at The Off Main > Cafe Oct. 11 to tell those who show up that we're rained out. > We are fortunate to live in the center of some of America's best > motorcycling. Come out and enjoy these four passes, the roads connecting them and > fellow motorcycle enthusiasts. > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: RE: BB: Park City Motorcycle Club Invitation to Ride... All Beehive Beemers! Date: 30 Sep 2003 21:50:25 -0600 I vote Andy for king! Jeb -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:49 PM Ahh, err, I am sorry but this type of message on this board is not allowed as it sounds like a little too much fun. We in this club do not like to have fun especially when it comes to riding. So please discontinue sending any messages where the participants may enjoy themselves. Sincerely, President of the fun haters club of Utah Andy "Kiss my a$$" Sager DISCLAIMER: No animals, motorcycles, or egos were injured in the typing of this message. However if your ego takes offense to this type of message, then I nominate you as the new President of the fun haters club of Utah. 8>) > Beehive Beemers: You are invited to join the First Annual 4-Pass Ride > sponsored by the Park City Motorcycle Club > > > Park City Motorcycle Club's "Four Pass Ride" is Saturday, Oct. 11. > > The ride is a casual, easy going Poker Run with a suggested 350 mile route > across 4 beautiful mountain highway passes, midday lunch stop in Mt. Pleasant > and dinner/social gathering in Park City at the end. Shorter alternative > routes are easily available. The ride will last approximately 8 hours, more or > less, depending on your riding style. > > You will qualify for cards based on the following: 1 at morning check-in, 3 > at lunch stop (with lunch receipt from restaurant), 1 at ride's end and six > additional cards for correctly answering questions from bonus locations > throughout the ride. This will give each rider a maximum of eleven cards from which > to create a poker hand. At the after-ride dinner the best hand gets First > Prize among the awards, next best hand gets Second Prize and so forth. > > Riders may check in anytime between 7:00 and 9:00 AM at The Off Main Cafe, > 1782 Prospector Ave. Park City. We strongly urge you to start the ride no > later than 9:00 AM in order to complete the ride during daylight hours and make > it to the dinner. > > The ride will proceed through Provo Canyon to Spanish Fork, Payson, Mt. > Nebo Scenic Loop Drive and to Mt. Pleasant for a lunch stop. The lunch stop is > at Horseshoe Inn on highway 89, Mt. Pleasant, at the South end of town. The > ride continues through Huntington Canyon to Huntington, Price, Helper, Indian > Canyon Rd. (Rte. 191) to Duchesne, Tabiona, Hanna, Wolf Creek Pass (Rte. 35) to > Kamas and back to Park City. > > The ride ends at The Broken Thumb restaurant 1200 Little Kate Rd., Park > City (corner of Monitor Dr., in the PC Racquet Club). Here riders will draw the > cards they are entitled to and create their best hand. We will have a no-host > dinner/social and award of prizes to the lucky poker hands. > > If you can't make the ride but would like to join us for the dinner/social > you're welcome to. Join us at the Broken Thumb around 6:30 PM. > > There is no charge for this event. Participants are responsible for their > tabs at lunch and dinner. > > As a courtesy to the organizers please register in advance by email through > the PCMC web site (www.parkcitymotorcycleclub.org) by sending a note that you > will be participating to President, Secretary or Treasurer. Or call Steve > Sady's office, 435-783-5889 or Thane Beckstrand 801-566-7265 with your > information. > > Rain date is Oct. 18. In case of foul weather (snow, ice, serious rain) we > will delay the ride to Oct. 18 and a PCMC officer will be at The Off Main > Cafe Oct. 11 to tell those who show up that we're rained out. > We are fortunate to live in the center of some of America's best > motorcycling. Come out and enjoy these four passes, the roads connecting them and > fellow motorcycle enthusiasts. > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org ****************************************************************