From: Jaime Richmond-Hope Subject: Re: BB: System 3 Helmet Date: 01 May 1998 05:52:43 -0600 At 05:32 PM 4/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >I have a like new (used 3 weeks in the Alps) dark silver BMW System >3 helmet for sale with a dark shield and in the wrapper clear shield >for sale-size small. > >Cheers, > >Tom > > >- > > How much???? ride safe.. Jaime - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Sunday Ride Date: 02 May 1998 20:40:08 -0600 Is anyone up for a ride tomorrow? Jeb Red GS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Date: 04 Jul 1998 07:15:56 -0600 Hey all, I just got reservations for the Travel Lodge in Missoula for July 8-13. $55 per night 2 queen beds. anyone desire to share the room. Promise I'll take my Sudafed so no snoring. 1/2 price is $27.50 per night. Let me know. ASAP Tom D. High in the Rockies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: BB: [Fwd: Headsets] Date: 07 May 1998 14:06:23 -0600 Wow! My father and I went down this route last year, and I chose Cycle-Comm, where he chose J&M. These decisions, at the time, wer due to : he could get J&M products at his local dealer, but if I remember correctly, SLC BMW had a policy of "you buy it, we'll put it in", and didn't stock these kinds of items (though I may have misunderstood). In addition, after reading some reviews, Cycle-Comm's headsets had a better reputation for sound quality. With practices like these, I'm very glad I chose Cycle-Comm instead. From what I see here, I don't forsee every using J&M products - soley on principle. Michael chuck scott wrote: > Mike, > Thought you might be interested in this. > > Dad > > >Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:04:43 -0400 > >From: "William H. Smith" > >Subject: [Wings] Fw: ST1100: J&M Corp (LONG) > > > >If this is true than I wish that I could afford to shove my headsets where > >the lawyers for J&M have been living of late........Bill > > > >- -----Original Message----- > >From: Jon Poklop > >To: st1100@st1100.com ; ldrider@usaa.net > > > >Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:13 AM > >Subject: ST1100: J&M Corp (LONG) > > > > > >>Greeting All, > >> > >>My experiences with MAW have not been nearly as poor as many of the > >>listers. I would like to bring to your attention the actions of J&M Corp > >>putting CycleComm out of business and their continued harassment of RKA > >>Luggage and Crusin'Comm. If anyone disagrees that these three companies > >>are/were pleasures to deal with and always deliver what they promise, > >>please speak up. I for one will never buy a J&M product and have let them > >>know in no uncertain terms what I think of them. The following are three > >>letters from CycleComm, RKA, & Crusin'Comm detailing J&M's actions. Sorry > >>about the length. > >>_______________________________ > >>We started this business thirteen years ago because we thought we could > >>build a better mousetrap. We are motorcyclists and love this business and > >>all the people out there that have made us a success. > >> > >>We are luggage manufactures and have slid into the communications part of > >>the business because we wanted this product for ourselves, and with the > >>help of Cycle-Comm we made it possible for you to have an alternative to > >>purchasing a "GoldWing" to get communication abilities. > >> > >>Mr. John Lazzeroni of J&M Corp has won a law suite against Cycle-Comm for a > >>patent infringement regarding the clamping system on the headset system and > >>won all counts. > >> > >>RKA has been warned by J&M lawyers not to say anything derogatory about > >>this on the internet. > >> > >>We must let our pervious and future customers know as much as possible > >>about this situation. So we will tread as lightly as possible giving only > >>facts that we know to be true. > >> > >>Cycle-Comm & the Fischers have declared bankruptcy. Mr. Lazzeroni also sued > >>the Fischers personally. RKA can not sell Cycle Comm headsets because of > >>this judgement and have sent all remaining units to J&M lawyers in Tucson > >>Arizona. Although RKA has paid for the units and had them in stock BEFORE > >>the judgement was made. In other words we are out this money we paid for > >>these items. > >> > >>The remaining Cycle Comm products we have in stock are NOT affected by any > >>ruling. > >> > >>Let it be known that we are STILL IN THE COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS!! But at > >>this time if you order from us you will not be able to purchase headsets. > >>First deduct $140.00 per speaker/mike and $100 for speaker only from the > >>pricing on the price list. You will have to find another source for your > >>headsets. There is only one other game in town folks. At this time RKA > >>refuses to use that source. > >> > >>Any product that is out in the field will be warranted to the best of RKA's > >>ability with the help of a new company started by the ex employees of > >>Cycle-Comm. The new company is called "Cruisin Communications" headed by > >>Ray Anders. > >> > >>Hopefully within a month or so new non-infringing headsets will be > >>available from "Cruisin Communications" with the same high quality of sound > >>and dependability that was available from Cycle-Comm in the past. > >> > >>Please note J&M Mr. Lazzeroni won a law suite using the justice system and > >>this is a done deal. RKA is a small company and Mr. Lazzeroni and J&M can > >>crush us in a second with one word to their lawyers. We would like you to > >>read a note from Ron Fischer of the now defunked Cycle-Comm. This message > >>has been posted on the internet already so it is public knowledge and this > >>is WHAT RKA BELIEVES TO BE THE TRUTH. > >> > >>Richard Battles > >>Kathy Storin > >> > >>Owners of RKA > >>(http://www.rka-luggage.com) > >>--------------------------------- > >>The True Story - J&M sues Cycle-Comm > >> > >>>From the desk of Mr. Fischer, > >> > >>Many of you have heard of the lawsuit between J&M and Cycle-Comm. After > >>reading John Lazzeroni's comments that he posted on the GWRRA message > >>board, I thought it only fair that you know the true story. I think I read > >>someplace that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it. I > >>think Lazzeroni has told this lie enough that he believes himself. Here is > >>the true story. > >> > >>In 1984 I made a CB radio for a gentleman named Dave Michalski who road a > >>Yamaha Venture and eventually he and I became good friends. At the time we > >>were manufacturing small quantities of headsets. Dave was a degreed > >>mechanical engineer and offered to help us design a better headset > >>configuration. Some of you may be familiar with one of Dave's other > >>designs, the electronic dartboard. The first tool that Dave designed was > >>our Push to Talk switch housing and our speaker housings. > >> > >>As a side note we also supplied these plastic switch housings to J&M which > >>they later copied and still use today. > >> > >>In early 1986 Dave and I worked on a new headset design which would > >>eventually became our 2001 design. In August I contacted Harley Davidson to > >>see if they would be interested in our products. My timing was perfect as > >>they were looking to add communications to their touring bikes. They > >>supplied us with two bikes and 6 helmets for us to install prototypes for > >>road tests. In October and November we supplied the systems for their > >>evaluation. The headsets we supplied used a clamp design that was an > >>improvement, but very similar to the design used by Honda in their earlier > >>design. We were not able to obtain the new connector that we wanted to use > >>so we used a telephone type connector as an interim measure. Harley was > >>very anxious to bring these products to market by the spring of the > >>following year. > >> > >>On December 18 1986 we received a purchase order from Harley for a few > >>thousand CB's and helmet headsets. Very exciting orders for a small company > >>like ours. In mid 1987 the tooling we used to produce Harley's headsets was > >>modified to include our connector and became our great 2001 headset. Around > >>that time I met John Lazzeroni at one of the shows and he said he was going > >>to get a patent on his head set. I told him I thought he was wasting his > >>time since Honda, others, and we had already had designs that were very > >>similar. > >> > >>In 1989 we received a letter from J&M's attorney saying we were infringing > >>their patent. We had our attorney respond saying that we felt their patent > >>was invalid because of prior art and that their patent did not cover our > >>uni-block single piece design since theirs was a two piece design. > >>Evidently they must have agreed because we never heard from their attorney > >>again until 5 years later in 1994. It seems they had gone back to the > >>patent office and, even though it took all those years, they some how > >>(nobody can figure how) able to convince the patent office to amend the > >>patent to include our one-piece design. Those of you in the business may > >>recall that we had our one piece design the 2001 in late 1987. J&M did not > >>use a one-piece design until many years later. We again responded through > >>our attorney that we felt the patent was invalid. In December (About the > >>same time Motorcycle Consumer News picked our headsets as "Best by a > >>landslide") they filed the lawsuit. > >> > >>Unfortunately my good friend Dave died in 1992. Dave was a computer whiz > >>and his documents were all lost when his widow sold his computer. I did > >>have many of Harley's drawings and the original purchase order from Harley. > >>Any of you in business know that you cannot get a purchase order from a > >>company Harleys size without having supplied working prototypes. These > >>prototypes would have proceeded J&M's patent application making it invalid. > >>The court did not see it that way and we lost. > >> > >>How could we have a lost such an obvious (at least to our attorneys and us > >>) case? You pay a so-called expert witness who is a patent attorney to act > >>as judge and jury. It does not matter that he could be the biggest liar in > >>the world. The simple people on the jury (none of whom knew anything about > >>motorcycling) believed him because he had credentials a mile long. We of > >>course did not have the money to buy our own expert witness to counter this > >>fabricator. > >> > >>Dave was a very talented well-educated man and, even though Lazzeroni would > >>like you to believe that Dave copied his design, nothing could be further > >>from the truth. Those of you that are familiar with this uneducated, > >>egotistical tyrant know that he is the one who lacks ability, and is the > >>one who is most likely to have copied. When BMW, Yamaha and Harley Davidson > >>needed technical advice, they choose Cycle Comm not J&M> > >> > >>We are very grateful to our attorneys who have believed in our cause. Even > >>though they knew that they might never be paid, they have stuck with us > >>through this terrible ordeal. Yes terrible is putting it mildly. The strain > >>that this has put on my family and my employees has been excruciating. The > >>Financial burden has kept us from growing and from realizing any reward > >>from our efforts. J&M is 25 times our size. The money it has cost them is > >>small change compared to what it has cost us. Having a monopoly on the > >>market, all they need do is rise your price again. The cost of a lawsuit > >>like this will no doubt be close to a million dollars. Even if we had won, > >>the financial burden would have been more than we could tolerate. That of > >>course was Lazzeroni's original plan. He never expected us to survive as > >>long as we did. We will most likely not be able to continue in business as > >>Cycle Comm, Inc. The Lazzeroni's also sued us personally in hopes of taking > >>our home and all our possessions. Needless to say this has been very > >>traumatic on our children. They have also petitioned the court to make us > >>turn over all remaining parts so we would not be able to honor our > >>warranties or to repair older headsets. Our attorneys are still fighting > >>this. There is a court order that prevents our selling our headsets however > >>we are still able to sell all of our other fine products. > >> > >>Where do we do from here? We will explore every option that is available > >>and with God's help and that of our many motorcycling friends; we will > >>again be able to supply the very best in motorcycle communications > >>equipment. I am helping a new company to design a new helmet headset that > >>will be even better than our 2001. Naturally, the design will be checked by > >>patent attorneys to insure that Lazzeroni cannot repeat this fiasco. > >> > >>I do not wish to infer that J&M's products or their people are bad. Many of > >>you are well aware that many of the people who make and sell their products > >>are our dearest friends and always will be. > >> > >>John Lazzeroni and much to our dismay Melinda used their money with the > >>sole purpose of putting Cycle Comm out of business. The ill gotten patent > >>was only used for that purpose. Why did they not sue Harley Davidson as > >>well? Don't they also use a similar clamp? I am sure you all know the > >>answer to that. > >> > >>We are very grateful to all of you that have stood by us through this > >>ordeal. With the exception of this episode, it has been a great 20-year > >ride. > >> > >>Ron & Chris Fischer > >> > >>Cycle Comm > >>---------------------------------------- > >> > >>>From Cruisin'Comm's website (http://www.cruisincomm.com/) > >> > >> > >>We apologize for having to open our site with the following statement. This > >>is supposed to be a fun industry and we are trying very hard to keep it > >>that way. > >> > >>An open letter to my fellow motorcyclists and especially to John Lazzeroni > >>of J&M Corp. > >> > >>I have learned that Mr. Lazzeroni intends to try to tie me in with my > >>former employer's, Cycle Comm, bankruptcy. I have also been informed that > >>he intends to sue us as soon as I bring out our new "Cruis-Comm" headset. > >> > >>When I first developed this headset, I consulted a patent attorney. It was > >>this attorneys professional opinion that my new design did not infringe on > >>J&M's patent in any way. I have started this business on a shoestring > >>budget with a lot of help from family and friends. The Fischer's are not > >>investors in my company. I am sure you are aware that having to hire an > >>attorney to defend myself against J&M's allegations will put an > >>unreasonable financial burden on my new and struggling company. I believe > >>that this is J&M's purpose in trying to tie me in with the company I once > >>worked for. > >> > >>I am well aware of how J&M's legal maneuvering harassed the Fischer's over > >>the many years your lawsuit against them went on. I watched as everything > >>they had worked for after their 20 years in business was taken away. The > >>profits they earned had to go to paying attorneys instead of being able to > >>invest in new products, advertising, and yes sometimes even me. I know they > >>spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting J&Ms' lawsuit and in the > >>end J&Ms' financial power did them in. > >> > >>Well, I do not have even their meager resources so it will not take John > >>Lazzeroni nearly so long to put me out of business. When that happens, the > >>motorcyclist will again be deprived of much needed competition. I do not > >>know of any way J&M can be stopped from using the legal system and their > >>money to eliminate competition. I know of no federal or state agency I > >>could appeal to so I will ask the help of those that might have that power, > >>the motorcyclists themselves. In the long run the motorcycle consumer will > >>be the big loser if J&M is allowed to continue this behavior. Perhaps if > >>the motorcyclist somehow showed that they will not tolerate that J&M is not > >>allowing competition to exist, maybe John Lazzeroni might back off. If not, > >>I am afraid our days are numbered before we have hardly begun. > >> > >>I humbly solicit the help of my fellow motorcyclists. If you have any > >>suggestions of what we might do, I would appreciate hearing from you. > >>Please forward a copy of this to any motorcyclist you know. > >> > >>Thank you for you're understanding and support. > >> > >> Ray Anders > >> > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: BB: Can't see the Web Site Date: 10 May 1998 23:50:31 -0600 Mike: I can't seem to get the Web Site to appear. Is it my browser or is something not quite right on the server? Thanks for your time and effort! Gavin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Bob to Devern Date: 12 May 1998 14:32:39 -0400 Devern : There might be a slight chance i can leave Friday for the 49er= =2EWould u like some one to get ticket's with ? Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: BB: Last issue of BMW MOA News Date: 13 May 1998 11:04:40 -0600 Anyone have the latest issue of the BMW/ON? There was a fantastic article on Flathead Lake in it. My father and I did that route after Sturgis last year, and someone snagged my copy before I could photocopy the article to send to his way. If you have a copy, would you be willing to fax that article to me? Michael - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News Date: 13 May 1998 11:17:06 -0600 I'll bring it into work tomorrow. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Scott [mailto:MScott@corel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:05 AM > To: Beehive Beemers List; BMW MOA List > Subject: BB: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > > Anyone have the latest issue of the BMW/ON? There was a fantastic > article on Flathead Lake in it. My father and I did that route after > Sturgis last year, and someone snagged my copy before I could > photocopy > the article to send to his way. > > If you have a copy, would you be willing to fax that article to me? > > Michael > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News Date: 13 May 1998 11:55:54 -0600 Fantastic. Thanks. My fax # is (801) 765-4101. Send me mail when you fax it, so I'll know to pick it up. Thanks much. Michael Michael Clark wrote: > I'll bring it into work tomorrow. > > -- Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Scott [mailto:MScott@corel.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:05 AM > > To: Beehive Beemers List; BMW MOA List > > Subject: BB: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > > > > > Anyone have the latest issue of the BMW/ON? There was a fantastic > > article on Flathead Lake in it. My father and I did that route after > > Sturgis last year, and someone snagged my copy before I could > > photocopy > > the article to send to his way. > > > > If you have a copy, would you be willing to fax that article to me? > > > > Michael > > > > > > - > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vickenn@webtv.net (Victor Kennedy) Subject: BB: Good Joke Date: 13 May 1998 16:43:49 -0600 Miss Bea was in her eighties, and much admired for her sweetness & kindness to all. The Pastor came to call on her one afternoon early in the spring, and she welcomed him into her victorian parlor. She invited him to have a seat while she went into the kitchen to prepare a little tea. As he sat facing her old pump organ, he noticed a cut glass bowl sitting on top of it, filled with water. In the water floated, of all things, a condum. Imagine his shock & surprise. Imagine his curiosity!!!!!!!!! Surely Miss Bea had flipped or something.....But he certainly couldn`t mention the strange sight in her parlor. When she returned with tea & cookies, they began to chat. The pastor tried to stifel his curiosity about the bowl of water and it`s strange floater, but it soon got the better of him, and he could resist no longer. Miss Bea, he said, "I wonder if you would tell me about this",(pointing at the bowl). " Oh yes", she replied, "Isn`t it wonderful? I was walking downtown last fall & I found this little package. It said to put it on the organ and keep it wet, and it would prevent disease. And do you know, I think it`s working. I haven`t had a cold all winter !!!!!!!!!! Good Riding, VIC - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Fuel + Plus Date: 13 Jul 1998 21:27:54 -0600 Brian, Did the above install this afternoon after work. I went very well. The only item that "threw me" was the allen head bolts in the back of the instrument cluster. I can not see them sue to the setup of the K1100LT fairing. Had to go by feel. Couldn't figure out why I could not get the "hex bolts" out with any socket. Finally, after about 45 min. tried allen wrenches. The whole job was started at 3:00p.m. and finished at 6:25 p.m. The system powered right up and the basic setup was a snap. Now, I've got to reread the detailed part of the manual to figure out how to set the tank volume to 8 gal. minus 5%. Like we teach the students at school read the directions first. I did read the entire booklet twice, concentrating on the install details. I used the book line by line and checked off each step as I went. I'm sure I figure out the tank volume. Just need to study the details. Thanks for your help, encouragement and suggestions. You really made it a "do"able. Thanks, Tom D. High in the Rockies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News Date: 14 May 1998 09:26:50 -0600 Michael, I found the article. I can photocopy it today at work, and fax it to you when I get home. The reason I have to wait to FAX the document is that a phone cable got cut, and my office is one of 1200 US West customers without phone service until Friday night. Another option: I could scan the pages and e-mail them to you as jpgs. I could either do color, or greyscale, thus reducing the file size. It's your call. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Scott [SMTP:MScott@corel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:56 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > Fantastic. Thanks. My fax # is (801) 765-4101. Send me mail when > you fax > it, so I'll know to pick it up. Thanks much. > > Michael > > Michael Clark wrote: > > > I'll bring it into work tomorrow. > > > > -- Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Scott [mailto:MScott@corel.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:05 AM > > > To: Beehive Beemers List; BMW MOA List > > > Subject: BB: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > > > > > > > > Anyone have the latest issue of the BMW/ON? There was a fantastic > > > article on Flathead Lake in it. My father and I did that route > after > > > Sturgis last year, and someone snagged my copy before I could > > > photocopy > > > the article to send to his way. > > > > > > If you have a copy, would you be willing to fax that article to > me? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > - > > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News Date: 14 May 1998 09:44:41 -0600 I can wait until you fax it from home. I work late all the time Thanks again, Michael Michael Clark wrote: > Michael, > > I found the article. I can photocopy it today at work, and fax it to you > when I get home. The reason I have to wait to FAX the document is that a > phone cable got cut, and my office is one of 1200 US West customers > without phone service until Friday night. > > Another option: I could scan the pages and e-mail them to you as jpgs. I > could either do color, or greyscale, thus reducing the file size. It's > your call. > > -- Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Scott [SMTP:MScott@corel.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:56 AM > > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: BB: RE: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > > > Fantastic. Thanks. My fax # is (801) 765-4101. Send me mail when > > you fax > > it, so I'll know to pick it up. Thanks much. > > > > Michael > > > > Michael Clark wrote: > > > > > I'll bring it into work tomorrow. > > > > > > -- Mike > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Scott [mailto:MScott@corel.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:05 AM > > > > To: Beehive Beemers List; BMW MOA List > > > > Subject: BB: Last issue of BMW MOA News > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have the latest issue of the BMW/ON? There was a fantastic > > > > article on Flathead Lake in it. My father and I did that route > > after > > > > Sturgis last year, and someone snagged my copy before I could > > > > photocopy > > > > the article to send to his way. > > > > > > > > If you have a copy, would you be willing to fax that article to > > me? > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 15 May 1998 10:54:02 -0600 To whomever was chanting REDRUM, REDRUM a while ago: I want to join the chorus. This is supposed to be a DESERT for crying out loud! -- Mike (Who really, REALLY, REALLY!!! wants a hot sunny day!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 15 May 1998 17:01:03 EDT I'LL RULE THE WORLD WITH MY WEATHER MACHINE! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 16 May 1998 01:11:10 -0600 Michael: I think it was me who started the redrum chant and by all means join in. Misery loves company. To quote Gov. Scott Matheson: Hell of a way to run a desert! I'm breaking out the rain gear and I'm hell bent on getting some saddle time this weekend. Don't know how much, but some...... Gavin Michael Clark wrote: > > To whomever was chanting REDRUM, REDRUM a while ago: I want to join the > chorus. > > This is supposed to be a DESERT for crying out loud! > > -- Mike (Who really, REALLY, REALLY!!! wants a hot sunny day!) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 16 May 1998 01:12:12 -0600 Swan 555 wrote: > > I'LL RULE THE WORLD WITH MY WEATHER MACHINE! > > - Crit: Somehow, I knew you had something to do with it! Gavin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 16 May 1998 01:26:41 -0600 Tomorrow I'm picking up (or rather taking back) from the dealership the R100R that I traded for the R1100GS . This is the second time I've tried to get rid of this bike. On paper, it is in every way an inferior machine to my other bikes, but I can't seem to let it go. It must be that stuff that isn't on paper that turns my crank. I should really name this one, it's obvious that I'm emotionally attached to the thing. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Wallace [SMTP:gavinsw@aros.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 1998 1:11 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. > > Michael: > > I think it was me who started the redrum chant and by all means join > in. Misery loves company. To quote Gov. Scott Matheson: Hell of a > way > to run a desert! > > I'm breaking out the rain gear and I'm hell bent on getting some > saddle > time this weekend. Don't know how much, but some...... > > Gavin > > > > Michael Clark wrote: > > > > To whomever was chanting REDRUM, REDRUM a while ago: I want to join > the > > chorus. > > > > This is supposed to be a DESERT for crying out loud! > > > > -- Mike (Who really, REALLY, REALLY!!! wants a hot sunny day!) > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen Subject: BB: - Date: 17 May 1998 11:23:24 EDT Hi list This is my first time on a list so I hope I'm doing this correctly............I own a ' 71 /5 which has been stored for the last 10 years...........touring tank, Vetter fairing, after market center stand..........around 15K actual miles.......... Looking for a respectable buyer..............anyone interested can E-mail me at AirEvacLen@aol.com Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 17 May 1998 09:38:16 -0600 Michael: Even machines can be more than just a sum of their parts. - GW Michael Clark wrote: > > Tomorrow I'm picking up (or rather taking back) from the dealership the > R100R that I traded for the R1100GS . This is the second time I've tried > to get rid of this bike. On paper, it is in every way an inferior > machine to my other bikes, but I can't seem to let it go. It must be > that stuff that isn't on paper that turns my crank. I should really name > this one, it's obvious that I'm emotionally attached to the thing. > > -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen Subject: Re: BB: Aaaarrrrgggg! There, I feel better now. Date: 17 May 1998 11:32:06 EDT Mike It's a power thing.......LOL...don't take it too serious... Lenny - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 17 May 1998 16:08:29 -0600 I discovered some interesting facts on a ride today. First, the pass into East Canyon is open. Second, the dirt road from East Canyon to Jeremy Ranch is dry and graded. Third, there's a sign on the window of the building that used to house Cromptons. It says "Coming Soon. The Little Mountain Cafe." -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHallehall Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 17 May 1998 20:09:53 EDT Mike, I discovered the same things you did today, except the road to Jeremy ranch. Where does that start from on the East canyon road? I never knew it was there. Is it passable on a GS? We went up the road out of Coalville today towards Mirror Lake road. We went about 25 miles & turned around & came back. I had been told that it did not go thru, but it looked like it did. That would be a nice loop up thru Mirror Lake hywy if it does go thru. DAN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 17 May 1998 20:00:56 -0600 Dan, The road is most easily found by heading up Jeremy Ranch Road, past the golf course. Jeremy Ranch Road loops around the northern end of the golf course. At that loop, a dirt road heads off to the north. The dirt section is about 7 miles long, and generally follows the river. It's easily passable on a GS. In fact, Crit does it on his RS. The northern end of the road is harder to spot. It begins just as the east canyon road starts to level out and head toward the reservoir, passing to the north of a meadow. The dirt road begins at the west end of the meadow. The Mirror Lake Highway (Hwy 150) most certainly does go through, all the way to Evanston. It just probably doesn't go through right now. It's a seasonal road. I'm pretty sure the first 14 miles of the road are open all year, with various sections being open in stages as the spring progresses. Give it time and you'll have a chance to experience one of the prettier roads within easy reach of the Wastach front. Once you get to Evanston, you can head north toward Bear lake, then down Monte Cristo into Huntsville. We'll be riding up in that area for the June club breakfast. Hwy 150 is intersected here and there by several interesting dirt roads that are GS ride-able as well. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: DHallehall [SMTP:DHallehall@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 6:10 PM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. > > Mike, I discovered the same things you did today, except the road to > Jeremy > ranch. Where does that start from on the East canyon road? I never > knew it was > there. Is it passable on a GS? We went up the road out of Coalville > today > towards Mirror Lake road. We went about 25 miles & turned around & > came back. > I had been told that it did not go thru, but it looked like it did. > That would > be a nice loop up thru Mirror Lake hywy if it does go thru. DAN > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Re: - Date: 17 Jul 1998 20:32:47 -0600 Who is airevaclen@aol.com? Are you a member of the Beehive Beemers? If so, I can put your ad in "The Stinger", our club newsletter. One usually identifies oneself anyway. We don't tend to use an alias on this list. Tom D. High in the Rockies -----Original Message----- >Hi list >This is my first time on a list so I hope I'm doing this >correctly............I own a ' 71 /5 which has been stored for the last 10 >years...........touring tank, Vetter fairing, after market center >stand..........around 15K actual miles.......... > >Looking for a respectable buyer..............anyone interested can E-mail me >at AirEvacLen@aol.com > >Thanks > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHallehall Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 17 May 1998 23:02:39 EDT Thanks for the info Mike. I'll have to look for the road from Jeremy to East canyon. I have been up the Mirror Lake road. I was talking about the blacktop road that heads east out of Coalville. We went about 25 miles up this road & the map shows it connecting to hywy 150, but it looks like a dirt road on the map. When we stopped at about 25 miles, we must have been near the Wyoming border, we met a large semi truck headed back west, so it must go thru to something, I don't think he would have come up a dirt road to get to there. Have also been up Monty Cristo, to Bear Lake, a nice road. We will probably miss the June club ride, we have to be in Oregon about that time. Later DAN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 17 May 1998 23:20:35 +0000 Gee, is it possible it's someone who downloaded the membership form from the web site and mailed it in with $15 'cause it's cheaper--and more targeted--than tossing an ad in the Tribune or Deserted News?? Could even be a wanna-be (insert other-than-BMW brand of your choice) owner who just needs to unload his German iron to acquire the non-Teutonic machine of his dreams... Or I guess it could be a real in-the-flesh member--we really DON'T know, do we?? Hell, it could even be me......... DeVern, On 17 Jul 98 at 20:32, tdeaver wrote: > Who is airevaclen@aol.com? > > Are you a member of the Beehive Beemers? > > If so, I can put your ad in "The Stinger", our club newsletter. One > usually identifies oneself anyway. We don't tend to use an alias on > this list. > > Tom D. DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 09:52:37 EDT I think the person who placed the ad on the page is what's his name who flied medical evaluation planes . He was briefly in the paint business with Butch Steele.\ crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Bertran Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 18 May 1998 10:05:22 -0600 At 11:02 PM 5/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks for the info Mike. I'll have to look for the road from Jeremy to East >canyon. I have been up the Mirror Lake road. I was talking about the blacktop >road that heads east out of Coalville. We went about 25 miles up this road & >the map shows it connecting to hywy 150, but it looks like a dirt road on the >map. When we stopped at about 25 miles, we must have been near the Wyoming >border, we met a large semi truck headed back west, so it must go thru to >something, I don't think he would have come up a dirt road to get to there. >Have also been up Monty Cristo, to Bear Lake, a nice road. We will probably >miss the June club ride, we have to be in Oregon about that time. Later DAN > >- > Dan, The Chalk Creek Road you took out of Coalville does go through to Hyway 150. It starts as a good dirt road and becomes a gravel road just before it reaches 150. The truck you saw probably did not come through from the East however. There are couple of refineries at the end of the paved section of the road so there is a bit of truck traffic up to the end of the paved section of the road, after that not much traffic. If you do want to go through to 150, go almost to the end of the pavement where the road makes a sharp right turn to the South and turn North on to the dirt road. There are several forks in the road and I don't believe they are sign posted as to destination. If you take the Easterly turnings you should eventually end up on a gravel road which takes you to 150. ________________________ mailto:kbertran@pragdata.com _______________________ Ken Bertran Salt Lake City, Utah USA AMA HSTA BMWMOA BMWRA IMTC AMA Rep 818 '98 VTR1000 '96 R1100RT '95 K1100RS '84 VF1100S '83 CB550SC 8080,0000,0000 It's the journey not the destination8080,0000,0000! _______________________ http://www.pragdata.com/mcycle ______________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 11:01:52 -0600 Crit, Who is what's his name? I'll run the ad if he's a member. -----Original Message----- >I think the person who placed the ad on the page is what's his name who flied >medical evaluation planes . He was briefly in the paint business with Butch >Steele.\ >crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 16:16:23 EDT His first name is Dick, but I can't remember his last name and I am not sure if he is still a member. He fixxed up a ratty old K-bike. He lives in Magna and Bob Jensen Would know his name. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 18 May 1998 16:18:20 EDT I underestand that the road east of Coalville is scheduled to be paved this summer. I think apart of it is still hard packed dirt. Also, has anyone heard if Monte Cristo is open yet. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 14:29:06 +0000 Hold on a second, I gotta get out my scorecard... First, On 17 Jul 98 at 20:32, tdeaver wrote: ( > Who is airevaclen@aol.com? > > Are you a member of the Beehive Beemers? > > If so, I can put your ad in "The Stinger", our club newsletter. One > usually identifies oneself anyway. We don't tend to use an alias on > this list. > To which I replied: > >Gee, is it possible it's someone who downloaded the membership >form from the web site and mailed it in with $15 'cause it's >cheaper--and more targeted--than tossing an ad in the Tribune or >Deserted News?? Could even be a wanna-be (insert other-than-BMW >brand of your choice) owner who just needs to unload his German >iron to acquire the non-Teutonic machine of his dreams... Or I >guess it could be a real in-the-flesh member--we really DON'T know, >do we?? Hell, it could even be me......... > To which Crit replied: >I think the person who placed the ad on the page is what's his name >who flied medical evaluation planes . He was briefly in the paint >business with Butch Steele.\ Ohhhh, I get it now. Yeah, old what's his name. I remember him from way back when, cause he always rode with what's his face and you could always count on the two of them to bring those red wangdoodle deally-bobbers to every campout. That was a lot of fun back then, eh? Hell's bells, Tom-- I can vouch for this guy...or gal...or whichever. What the hey, all he wants to do is run an ad in the club newsletter--I mean, it's not like he printed off the membership form from the web page and tried to sign up his dog as a member, right? (and we all know who did THAT, don't we???) :^) G'bye, DeVern Who's pulling his tongue out of his cheek and going back to work.... PS: Tom, I think either your mailer or one of the handoff servers is set for Greenwich Daylight Zulu Arizona time.... July 17th??? :^) :^) DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 17:14:57 EDT Tom Just subscribed to the list.......sorry...........thought I signed my notice..........I'm assuming that the beemers list is for BMW motorcycle enthusists.......which is ( or was ) me........ Just interested in finding out if anyone wants a '71 / 5...........and the AirEvcacLen is my E-mail address.......... Didn't mean to rile anyone....... Lenny - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 Jul 1998 15:36:32 -0600 Lenny, Hi. Not riled, No Problemo! I'm just willing to run the ad in the club newsletter, "The Stinger" if you are a member. It's a free benefit of membership in the Beehive Beemers M/C Club of Utah. We can print a full color picture in your bike ad if I have a .jpeg, .bmp, or scannable photo. The ads run for three months and are aimed at BMW club members, your target purchasers. The Newsletter is printed and distributed during the first week each month. Tom D. Editor, "The Stinger"-----Original Message----- >Tom > >Just subscribed to the list.......sorry...........thought I signed my >notice..........I'm assuming that the beemers list is for BMW motorcycle >enthusists.......which is ( or was ) me........ > >Just interested in finding out if anyone wants a '71 / 5...........and the >AirEvcacLen is my E-mail address.......... > >Didn't mean to rile anyone....... > >Lenny > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 15:39:48 -0600 DeVern, Actually it's not Greenwich Daylight Zulu Arizona time.... July 17th??? :^) :^) (that's a good one) I'm just rushing around so much these days that I experience time dilation as per the reverse General Theory of Unrelativity. And time is supposed to only relative. VBG Thanks, I reset it. Tom D. High in the Rockies (major snip) DeVern Who's pulling his tongue out of his cheek and going back to work.... PS: Tom, I think either your mailer or one of the handoff servers is set for Greenwich Daylight Zulu Arizona time.... July 17th??? :^) :^) DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisbriggs@juno.com Subject: BB: Re: -You got a 19 71/5 for sale? Date: 18 May 1998 17:04:11 -0600 Lenny- I saw your notice on the Beehive Beemers' e-mail club board... I already have a 1976 R900/6 that David Young (Sugarhouse) is doing a re-patch on. I've got four son I'll be moving into motors in the next few years I'm need help on fix'in the old Beemers but like them better that the new bikes. Or maybe just to poor for a new shine. Send me some more info about your BMW. Got a $$$ in mind? Chris Briggs Crashed on the Point-of-the-Mountain-Gravel-Pit-Frontage-Road Beware of the Pee-Gravel, it did a number on my Shoei! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen Subject: Re: BB: Re: - Date: 18 May 1998 19:19:47 EDT Tom Im in Arizona but any press is better than none at all...........Im not sure about being in the club since I just subscribed to the list.....let me know what info you would need to advertise the bike and I will try and accomidate ...... Thanks Lenny - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: The weekend's rides. Date: 18 May 1998 23:22:46 -0600 Don't know about Monte Cristo, but I discovered today that the Mirror Lake Highway is open to 21 miles...more if you want to ride around the sign. Watch out for the sand and gravel. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Swan 555 [mailto:Swan555@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 2:18 PM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: The weekend's rides. > > > I underestand that the road east of Coalville is scheduled to > be paved this > summer. I think apart of it is still hard packed dirt. Also, > has anyone heard > if Monte Cristo is open yet. > Crit > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Road Construction Reports Date: 18 May 1998 23:40:07 -0600 All this talk about road construction got me searching... http://www.sr.ex.state.ut.us/cr/cr_repor.htm Got the following from http://www.sr.ex.state.ut.us/cr/pressrel.txt NOTE: STATUS OF WINTER ROAD CLOSURES SR-150 Mirror Lake open June 11 SR-190 Guardman Pass open June 7. SR-39 Monte Cristo: open SR-65 East Canyon: open SR-153 Mt. Holly Jct: open SR-148 Cedar Breaks: open SR-92 Alpine Loop: open SR-35 Wolf Creek Pass: closed -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: Road Construction Reports Date: 19 May 1998 10:12:56 EDT Thanks, Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: BB: Sunday Ride Date: 19 May 1998 09:09:23 -0600 If anyone is interested-The Utah British Bike Club is having an informal breakfast ride to the Cozy Cafe in Echo at 10:00 am this Sunday. No scheduled meeting place to ride there-just a destination for a ride. By the way-just got back from Pidmore's CLASS cornering school at Second Creek Raceway in Denver-what a blast. If you haven't done it-put it on your schedule sometime-it is really worth it. Cheers, Tom Kullen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen Subject: Re: BB: Re: -You got a 19 71/5 for sale? Date: 19 May 1998 11:26:14 EDT Chris I'm open to suggestions and offers on the bike........it's been stored for over 10 years with some preservation......it's in " good " shape having never been dumped or in a wreck........and here in Arizona things are " naturally preserved " . It's white, with a 6 gal touring tank, riser handlebars, and a Vetter fairing..........I believe I still have a set of saddle bags that came with the machine when I bought it.........oh, it has an after market center stand.......... It has a standard seat but the vinyl is dried out from lack of use I believe it has something in the nature of 16K original miles........hardly used for a BMW....... I haven't even started the thing in 10 years............still has the same battery in it when I put it up............ I have a BMW ( blue cover ) shop manual to go with it as well.........it comes in handy for maintence........ Can't think of much more to tell you right now but I'm sure you will have some other questions........ask away..... Lenny - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: BB: Lake Powell Ferry Date: 19 May 1998 10:42:30 -0600 Mike, Here's some info for you on that ferry that crosses Lake Powel on Hwy 276 [ at Bullfrog Basin Marina (N) and Halls Crossing Marina (S) ] : 1. $9.00 for a regular car (then more per foot if something bigger). $3.00 for a motorcycle, $2 for a bicycle. I don't remember how much pedestrian traffic costs though. 2. Summer hours (currently in effect) are every EVEN hour until 6pm if you are heading NORTH (Halls Crossing to Bullfrog Basin). It's every ODD hour until 7pm if you are heading SOUTH (Bullfrog Basin to Halls Crossing). Spring hours stop at 5pm, and Winter hours stop earlier than that (not positive, but I think it's 3pm). I don't remember the earliest departure though. I've always wanted to do this via the bike too, but I had my mother with me this trip, so I drove (she's visiting from Oregon). We went on the ferry on the way home from a long w/end through Colorado. The ultimate trip (though doubtful that it'd be possible in a single w/end) for me would be take Hwy 191 down through Moab, Monticello, and Blanding, a brief stint on the Bicentennial Hwy (Hwy 95) until I reach Hwy 276 for the ferry. Take the ferry across Lake Powell, and follow Hwy 95 North until Hwy 24. I'd take Hwy 24 across Capital Reef, and stay in Torrey for the night (nice hotels right there, unless I'd packed for camping). The next morning, I'd drop down Hwy 12 through Bryce Canyon until Hwy 89, then on down to Hwy 9, so I could go through Zion. Go up Hwy 15 until Cedar City, then take Hwy 148 through Cedar Breaks, and onto Hwy 143 to Hwy 89. Then, Hwy 89 all the way home. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: RE: Lake Powell Ferry Date: 19 May 1998 11:20:54 -0600 Michael, Get yourself a GS and there's an even better ride. South to Bluff. Check into the Recapture Lodge. A quick trip to Monument Valley and back along the Valley of the Gods road at sunset. The next morning, up Moki Dougway. A quick trip through Natural Bridges. West on Bicentenial Hwy. Drop down to the ferry. Cross the lake. Head up the Burr Trail to Boulder (spectacular road). Stay the night at the Boulder Mt. Lodge (spectacular lodge). Hwy. 12 to Bryce, then North on 89 home. -- Mike > The ultimate trip (though doubtful that it'd be possible in a > single w/end) > for me would be take Hwy 191 down through Moab, Monticello, > and Blanding, a > brief stint on the Bicentennial Hwy (Hwy 95) until I reach > Hwy 276 for the > ferry. Take the ferry across Lake Powell, and follow Hwy 95 > North until Hwy > 24. I'd take Hwy 24 across Capital Reef, and stay in Torrey > for the night > (nice hotels right there, unless I'd packed for camping). > > The next morning, I'd drop down Hwy 12 through Bryce Canyon > until Hwy 89, > then on down to Hwy 9, so I could go through Zion. Go up Hwy > 15 until Cedar > City, then take Hwy 148 through Cedar Breaks, and onto Hwy > 143 to Hwy 89. > Then, Hwy 89 all the way home. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Riding partners to 49er's Date: 20 May 1998 19:30:17 -0600 Hey all, I just had a cancellation by Vic Kennedy to be our riding partner for the 49er trip. I'm planning on leaving about 2 to 2:30 p.m. tomorrow from SLC. Lay over in central NV then have a nice casual ride into Quincy on Fri. Not pick about route, can use US 50 or I-80 or . . . . ? . Is anyone going that way about that time? It would be nice to have a traveling partner for Max, my son, and myself on the K1100LT. Feel free to call me at school after 7:30 a.m. till 1:00 p.m. 578-8500 x290 Don't let them take a message. Tell'em I said to ring me in my room even during class. Tom D. High in the Rockies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Date: 21 May 1998 10:15:02 -0600 I am curious as to who all on this list is going to Missoula. I haven't decided quite yet. Michael tdeaver wrote: > Hey all, > > I just got reservations for the Travel Lodge in Missoula for July 8-13. $55 > per night 2 queen beds. anyone desire to share the room. Promise I'll take > my Sudafed so no snoring. > > 1/2 price is $27.50 per night. > Let me know. ASAP > > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Date: 21 May 1998 10:15:02 -0600 I am curious as to who all on this list is going to Missoula. I haven't decided quite yet. Michael tdeaver wrote: > Hey all, > > I just got reservations for the Travel Lodge in Missoula for July 8-13. $55 > per night 2 queen beds. anyone desire to share the room. Promise I'll take > my Sudafed so no snoring. > > 1/2 price is $27.50 per night. > Let me know. ASAP > > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Date: 21 May 1998 19:07:42 -0400 Bob Jensen........Is going! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Date: 21 May 1998 18:32:10 -0600 I am going to Missoula. Jeb - Red GS At 10:15 AM 5/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >I am curious as to who all on this list is going to Missoula. I haven't decided >quite yet. > >Michael > >tdeaver wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I just got reservations for the Travel Lodge in Missoula for July 8-13. $55 >> per night 2 queen beds. anyone desire to share the room. Promise I'll take >> my Sudafed so no snoring. >> >> 1/2 price is $27.50 per night. >> Let me know. ASAP >> >> Tom D. >> High in the Rockies >> >> - > > > > >- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Have fun at the 49er all. Date: 21 May 1998 18:30:09 -0600 Ride safe to CA. Enjoy the weekend. I'll be holding down the fort with my oldest while Mary Beth heads off to Montery with our youngest to meet with cyber-friends. I did, however, play hookey from work M,T, and W and had three nice day rides, so that makes up for it. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Have fun at the 49er all. Date: 21 May 1998 21:27:02 -0400 Hay Mike C.......Define work ?............Leaving in the morning for the 49er.....CYA....Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: BB: Top ten Date: 23 May 1998 12:32:02 -0600 Top Ten Reasons Why Harley and Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back Submitted By Charles Rocky Pesarino, Motorcycle Online Reader. Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back 10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty ... 9. Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm ... 8. Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for ... 7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off... 6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos ... 5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley ... 4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by those rice-burner manufacturers ... 3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else ... 2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet ... And the Number One reason Harley riders don't wave back: 1.They're jealous that after spending $30,000, they still don't own a Gold Wing. Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back 10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture ... 9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip ... 8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm ... 7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him... 6. The expresso machine just finished ... 5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved ... 4. Was in a three-way conference call with stock broker and accessories dealer ... 3. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard ... 2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite navigation system ... And the Number One reason Gold Wing riders don't wave back: 1. They couldn't see through the glare from the chromed-dash accents. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisbriggs@juno.com Subject: Re: BB: Top ten Date: 27 May 1998 12:07:40 -0600 Just read your top tens... I really enjoyed the chuckle... HA! Another BMW rider friend put it a different way... Harley riders like to tick off their probation officers... Gold Wing Riders like to tick off their kids and impress there grand kids with the T-Bear on the trunk... Ride safe... Chris B. 1976 R900/6 On Sat, 23 May 1998 12:32:02 -0600 Gavin Wallace writes: >Top Ten Reasons Why Harley and Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back > >Submitted By Charles Rocky Pesarino, Motorcycle Online Reader. > >Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back > > 10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty ... > > 9. Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm ... > > 8. Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for ... > > 7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate >off... > > 6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos ... > > 5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax >on >new Harley ... > > 4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized >H-D is partially owned by those rice-burner > manufacturers ... > > 3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to >cover >their ears like everyone else ... > > 2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled >his hand on spiked helmet ... > > And the Number One reason Harley riders don't wave back: > > 1.They're jealous that after spending $30,000, they still don't >own >a Gold Wing. > >Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back > > 10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an >obscene >gesture ... > > 9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip >... > > 8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to >raise arm ... > > 7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him... > > 6. The expresso machine just finished ... > > 5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved ... > > 4. Was in a three-way conference call with stock broker and >accessories dealer ... > > 3. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard ... > > 2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, >programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite > navigation system ... > > And the Number One reason Gold Wing riders don't wave back: > > 1. They couldn't see through the glare from the chromed-dash >accents. > >- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 06:56:10 -0600 Presidents, Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? How does one get in touch with them? I've checked into Corona, Nay. I've checked into Russell, maybe. Now I'd like to check into Mayer. TIA Tom D. High in the Rockies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 08:04:14 +0000 Tom: Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the patent in the original deal. If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak through if left in the rain. I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip discomfort, etc. Russell!!! Cheers, DeVern On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > Presidents, > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > How does one get in touch with them? > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > TIA > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 08:04:14 +0000 Tom: Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the patent in the original deal. If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak through if left in the rain. I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip discomfort, etc. Russell!!! Cheers, DeVern On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > Presidents, > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > How does one get in touch with them? > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > TIA > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 09:53:50 -0600 You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on 3wk tours with it. I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is built to fit your particular "posterior" Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Tom: > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > patent in the original deal. > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > through if left in the rain. > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > discomfort, etc. > > Russell!!! > > Cheers, > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > Presidents, > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > TIA > > Tom D. > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 09:53:50 -0600 You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on 3wk tours with it. I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is built to fit your particular "posterior" Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Tom: > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > patent in the original deal. > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > through if left in the rain. > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > discomfort, etc. > > Russell!!! > > Cheers, > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > Presidents, > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > TIA > > Tom D. > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 17:19:32 EDT Tom: You may want to check with Gary Eagan (581-1740) he has a Mayer seat, on his K1100 LT. As you may know he has run the Iron Butt twice, one once, and has several victories in the 1088. I remember him talking about a new Mayer seat last year at the 49er. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 16:23:22 +0000 Michael; I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. . So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the comfort of the saddle. I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is for those of us in that category of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... DeVern On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > 3wk tours with it. > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > Michael > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > Tom: > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > patent in the original deal. > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > through if left in the rain. > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > discomfort, etc. > > > > Russell!!! > > > > Cheers, > > DeVern > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > TIA > > > Tom D. > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > '83 R80ST > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > - > > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 16:23:22 +0000 Michael; I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. . So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the comfort of the saddle. I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is for those of us in that category of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... DeVern On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > 3wk tours with it. > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > Michael > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > Tom: > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > patent in the original deal. > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > through if left in the rain. > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > discomfort, etc. > > > > Russell!!! > > > > Cheers, > > DeVern > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > TIA > > > Tom D. > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > '83 R80ST > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > - > > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 16:44:16 -0600 Too bad about Corbin. Though I haven't met Mike, at the time, I was living in Santa Cruz (this was about 6yrs ago). I went down there on a lark, during my lunch break - just to inquire about them (I've got a Dual Canyon). I actually got to choose colors, piping, and got to watch 'em make the seat right there in front of me. It was quite an experience, and only made for a 2hr lunch break . This was for my '88 K75S, but the seat fits my '96 K1100RS w/o a problem. If what you say is true, I wonder what the quality is like for their new R1200C saddle bags (not that I have any - my ride is a K11RS). Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Michael; > > I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at > the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of > looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in > the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at > Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for > a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy > with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. > . > So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the > stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a > Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I > didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself > sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the > centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it > at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't > like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've > been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the > comfort of the saddle. > > I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest > difference between the two is for those of us in that category > of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more > permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam > that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some > skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a > Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on > a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... > > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > > > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > > 3wk tours with it. > > > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > > > Michael > > > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > > > Tom: > > > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > > patent in the original deal. > > > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > > through if left in the rain. > > > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > > discomfort, etc. > > > > > > Russell!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > DeVern > > > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > Tom D. > > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > > > '83 R80ST > > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Date: 28 May 1998 17:12:03 -0600 Crit, DeVern, Mike, et al, Thanks for the reply. I've got it down to the Russell or the Mayer. Thank you, Tom D. High in the Rockies -----Original Message----- >Tom: >You may want to check with Gary Eagan (581-1740) he has a Mayer seat, on his >K1100 LT. As you may know he has run the Iron Butt twice, one once, and has >several victories in the 1088. I remember him talking about a new Mayer seat >last year at the 49er. >Crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 28 May 1998 21:17:50 -0400 OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC......And it's biposto (thank u).......You kn= ew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- demeaning comment =3Dskinney-assed!"WELL".I'll have u know asses are like= opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....Th= at Russell will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does th= e deed ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Or u can do ye old ...set on the office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old copier "this is crucial ,as i w= as not so selective"!!..........However=3D Having owned Cor-bun: seats or saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit =3Dworkmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After exchanging a few obscenities and two months= later ,u have a thing of beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best looking saddle on the market= , in my opinion..... I well like it nomatter what!!! "No what i meen Vern"... = I guess it'= s in our nature to -want to see where we've been.xo-xo-xoxo. = = = = = = = Dedicated.......Bob =3D Just haven= fun = - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 28 May 1998 20:32:49 -0600 Bob, If I do the office copier thing is it with or without the clothes? VBG My idea of beauty is in how well the object performs its task, not just how "cute" it looks. So "Butt" ugly can be very beautiful is the butt truly loves the results. Tom D. High in the Rockies -----Original Message----- OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC......And it's biposto (thank u).......You knew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- demeaning comment =skinney-assed!"WELL".I'll have u know asses are like opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....That Russell will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does the deed ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Or u can do ye old ...set on the office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old copier "this is crucial ,as i was not so selective"!!..........However= Having owned Cor-bun: seats or saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit =workmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After exchanging a few obscenities and two months later ,u have a thing of beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best looking saddle on the market, in my opinion..... I well like it nomatter what!!! "No what i meen Vern"... I guess it's in our nature to -want to see where we've been.xo-xo-xoxo. Dedicated.......Bob = Just haven fun - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 29 May 1998 07:23:38 +0000 CAUTION!! CAUTION!! CAUTION!! CAUTION!! The following exchange contains material which may be considered adult and dangerous in some parts of Utah. Before reading further please answer a few questions: Y N I have an Italian surnamme. Y N I am unable to laugh at myself Y N I consider brand loyalty to be the nee plus ultra of motorcycling Y N I consider Utah County to be *the* home base of Aristotlean logic and personal freedom in the United States If you answered YES to ANY of the above questions, please hit your DELETE key now... On 28 May 98 at 21:17, Bob "The Devil Made Me Advocate It" Jensen wrote: > OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC..... Nahhh, it's DUCK... As in "Whazzallat duck tape holding together there, eh?? quack, quack..... >.And it's biposto (thank u) Only for the first 100 miles of the ride, at which time it turns to antiposto.... >.......You knew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- > demeaning comment =skinney-assed!" Hey, what can I say--some days the fishing is better than others! Pretty good, though, when I can drag a carpenter out of the woodwork... >WELL".I'll have u know asses are > like opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness > aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....That Russell > will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old > dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does the deed > ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Well, assuming that one intends to get a dual saddle built--rider and passenger--the last line of the above comment is going to be seen as cold, really cold, by the passenger. Almost as cold as where you'll be sleeping in the future..... hyuk, hyukk, hyuk. > Or u can do ye old ...set on the > office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun > intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old > copier "this is crucial ,as i was not so > selective"!!.......... Oh wait--this gets better yet! First that "crack" about the wide angle lens, then you want to talk her into the old "park it up here on the xerox" line. We gotta work on yer technique, son, we just gotta work on yer technique! And your judgment, too--I mean, some wild and crazy list member could print off a few thousand copies of your post and have 'em shipped to your house. Yer former passenger could use them to wallpaper the room where you used to live, and you could wad them up and stuff them into the walls of the doghouse you're moving into! I hear wadded paper makes great insulation.... Haaarrggh , Haarrgh, Haarrrgh, haargh, haar, haar, spflitp, spflbtsfk... Oh crap, the milk spraying out of my nose on that one has splattered all over my screen and kybord! Afoaldr drd kw a rfpt!!! >However= Having owned Cor-bun: seats or > saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit > =workmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After > exchanging a few obscenities and two months later ,u have a thing of > beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best > looking saddle on the market, in my opinion..... I well like it > nomatter what!!! > > "No what i meen Vern"... There, got that screen and keyboard cleaned up now. Yeah, I know what you mean. However, you should never forget that a good saddle spends most of it's time being viewed with only one eye....... and a jaundiced one at that! See you (and Linda!) at the next breakfast for more fun, DeVern PS: The folks at Russell just love it when people send in those bum photos. See, they have absolutely NO use for them in building the saddles. There is, however, this dartboard in the lunchroom.... DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 29 May 1998 10:21:43 EDT I answered No to all of the questions, what does that mean. Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and Monte on Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at the bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably grab a sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. Crit P.S. Bob, when is Doug gong to do you 12k service - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 29 May 1998 17:25:57 -0600 I would be interested in the ride Sunday but...Where is Trapper's? Jeb Red GS At 10:21 AM 5/29/98 EDT, you wrote: >I answered No to all of the questions, what does that mean. > >Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and Monte on >Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at the >bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably grab a >sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. > >Crit >P.S. Bob, when is Doug gong to do you 12k service > >- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Ride June 6th weekend Date: 29 May 1998 17:27:49 -0600 Anyone intersted in a ride south over route 12 next weekend (June 6th and 7th)? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: M/C Camping Trailer? Date: 29 May 1998 18:07:48 -0600 For whatever it's worth, now that I'm going to get the Russell Seat for the LT, I'm thinking about a very nicely equipped camping trailer that I can pull behind the bike. I know this is sacrilegious to this esteemed body of Presidents, but does any one have experience with camping trailers? Sleeping lofts, basements, generators, private baths w/ hot showers and self-contained galleys are very nice but probably won't fit. Bed for two, rain tight, bug netting, maybe ice chest and some kind of vestibule. Easy setup, ease of towing and quality of construction (for dependability) are also important. Plan to take to rallies, leave it setup and ride bike around location of rally. I know get a D ***&%$ motorhome. Anne, my wife, will not get in one. Says, "It's just like at home, except it moves. That's no vacation" Next bike task is to get her on the bike. Thanks, Tom D. High in the Rockies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 29 May 1998 23:53:08 -0600 I'm up for said ride. 10:00 at the Sinclair station. Anyone want to ride to the rendezvous point with me? How far up Monte do you go? Is this a full Monte? =8-0 -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Swan555@aol.com [SMTP:Swan555@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:22 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob > > Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and > Monte on > Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at > the > bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably > grab a > sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: RE: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 30 May 1998 07:05:27 -0600 I want to go but need more direction to the Sinclair station. I will be coming in from Tooele and can meet along the way. Jeb red GS At 11:53 PM 5/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'm up for said ride. 10:00 at the Sinclair station. Anyone want to ride >to the rendezvous point with me? How far up Monte do you go? Is this a >full Monte? =8-0 > >-- Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Swan555@aol.com [SMTP:Swan555@aol.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:22 AM >> To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob >> >> Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and >> Monte on >> Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at >> the >> bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably >> grab a >> sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. >> > >- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Sunday Ride up Monte & Back Date: 30 May 1998 09:14:47 -0600 The Sinclair station (I think it's a Sinclair) is located in Mt. Green. About 7 miles south of Huntsville. At the intersection of the I-84 frontage road and the Trapper's loop road. I plan on getting there by way of East Canyon and Morgan. I usually ride up Parley's to get to East canyon, so if you give me a place to meet near the mouth of Parley's Canyon, we can ride up together. A good place is the K-Mart parking lot. I'll probably be leaving around 8:00. -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeb Berg [SMTP:jebberg@trilobyte.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 7:05 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob > > I want to go but need more direction to the Sinclair station. I will > be > coming in from Tooele and can meet along the way. > > Jeb > > red GS > > At 11:53 PM 5/29/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I'm up for said ride. 10:00 at the Sinclair station. Anyone want to > ride > >to the rendezvous point with me? How far up Monte do you go? Is this > a > >full Monte? =8-0 > > > >-- Mike > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Swan555@aol.com [SMTP:Swan555@aol.com] > >> Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:22 AM > >> To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob > >> > >> Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and > >> Monte on > >> Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station > at > >> the > >> bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and > probably > >> grab a > >> sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. > >> > > > >- > > > > > > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Date: 30 May 1998 11:26:36 -0400 Tom : Colthes are optional,Butt-I don't know if i would want anything coming between me and a great fitting saddle . As DeVern mentioned in his-( roasting of the Devils advocate post) about his -ah...how did he put it .....ah....jaundiced eye! So thats what that's is called.....I've heard of having eye's in the back= of your head ......hum.....cool.. = Tom=3D My idea of beauty is in how well the object performs its task, not= just how "cute" it looks. So "butt" ugly can be very beautiful is the butt truly loves the results........ Bob=3D Diden't Madona say the same thing about Rodman?...... Ever noticed= that - Every time we start talking about Motorcycles & Accessory's......Sexual connotations appear..."..Looks ugly= feels great!" (Stop now)! OK........ Anyway Tom : I know u'll love the new saddle."If it can support the iron butt, it can easly support anyone's"!=3D(JK). "= Be kind to your jaundiced eye " = = And may thay never,never have it = = examined at the DMV..I suppose u = = ware contacts!!??....CYA.................. Take care,,,It's been fun..........Bob ps. DeVern : I'm not finished with u. Criter: Doug said he would do the 12000mi.service at 20.000 mi.if i wanted.Some time next week. He diden't want to do it on a weekend ,because it's out of his way........Go figure! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Sunday Ride up Monte & Back Date: 30 May 1998 09:38:11 -0600 OK which K Mart lot? Jeb At 09:14 AM 5/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >The Sinclair station (I think it's a Sinclair) is located in Mt. Green. >About 7 miles south of Huntsville. At the intersection of the I-84 >frontage road and the Trapper's loop road. I plan on getting there by >way of East Canyon and Morgan. I usually ride up Parley's to get to East >canyon, so if you give me a place to meet near the mouth of Parley's >Canyon, we can ride up together. A good place is the K-Mart parking lot. >I'll probably be leaving around 8:00. > >-- Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeb Berg [SMTP:jebberg@trilobyte.net] >> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 7:05 AM >> To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: RE: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob >> >> I want to go but need more direction to the Sinclair station. I will >> be >> coming in from Tooele and can meet along the way. >> >> Jeb >> >> red GS >> >> At 11:53 PM 5/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >I'm up for said ride. 10:00 at the Sinclair station. Anyone want to >> ride >> >to the rendezvous point with me? How far up Monte do you go? Is this >> a >> >full Monte? =8-0 >> > >> >-- Mike >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Swan555@aol.com [SMTP:Swan555@aol.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:22 AM >> >> To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >> >> Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob >> >> >> >> Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and >> >> Monte on >> >> Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station >> at >> >> the >> >> bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and >> probably >> >> grab a >> >> sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. >> >> >> > >> >- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> - > >- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: BB: RIDE Date: 30 May 1998 11:58:52 EDT Good job BOB, you got every word spelled right this morning, did you get the spell checker working? We will go on the Sunday ride, will meet at Mt Green. Don't know about the full Monte part, but we'll see what happens. See ya there Crit. DAN/ELIE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Good ride, folks. Date: 31 May 1998 23:40:28 -0600 I hope everyone got home OK. As for me. That was the fastest I'd ever been over Monte, and an enjoyable, relaxed ride back. I don't think I was introduced to the guy who got such crappy service at Chris' (please tell me they didn't make you pay for your burger), but I believe he was also the guy who got pulled over on Trapper's loop. Double bummer. Thanks to Thane for taking the initiative and handling the bozo in the van for us since I was mindlessly loping along sucking exhaust. Sorry about that. Finally...where the hell were ya Bob? We waited and waited...actually, no, we didn't, really. -- Mike -