From: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com (beehive-beemers-digest) To: beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: beehive-beemers-digest V1 #111 Reply-To: $SENDER Sender: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk beehive-beemers-digest Thursday, January 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 111 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:43:30 -0800 From: John Beeson Subject: BB: How to catch Bin Laden I just saw the perfect plan to capture Bin Laden. Spray the whole country of Afganistan with Viagra and the prick will just pop right up. **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:38:42 -0700 From: asager@mmm.com Subject: BB: Breakfast this Saturday Quick reminder of the club breakfast this Saturday, November 10, 9:00am Golden Corral 1624 N. Heritage Park Blvd. Layton, UT 84041 801-775-9535 See you all there. Andy Sager **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:13:18 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Panguitch Election Results Just to let everyone know that our own Janet Oldham of the Flying M Restaurant in Panguitch and our main liasion for the rally was elected mayor of Panguitch. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:40:06 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Fwd: back brace - --part1_14.1d5c5bce.291edc96_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_14.1d5c5bce.291edc96_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINZA44-1110140719; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:07:19 -0500 Received: from leeta.clarkfoundation.org (www.utahnature.org [166.70.108.200]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA27-1110140710; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:07:10 -0500 Received: from smtp.burgoyne.com (smtp.burgoyne.com [209.197.0.17]) by leeta.clarkfoundation.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24880 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:07:08 -0700 Received: from h49ts01 (pme.burgoyne.com [209.197.2.20]) by smtp.burgoyne.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAAJ77S25721 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c16a23$6fb7ca40$1b05a8c0@h49ts01> From: "Holcombe E-mail" To: Subject: back brace Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:08:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C169E8.C24C6440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C169E8.C24C6440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crit, Soneone left a MSR back brace at the club meeting today. I have been unable to get on the web page of the Beemers, please pass on the= info. If not contacted before the Christmas party, I will bring with us. Safe Ride, Jerry and Jo - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C169E8.C24C6440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Crit,

Soneone left a MSR back brace at the club m= eeting=20 today.

I have been unable to get on the web page o= f the=20 Beemers, please pass on the info. If not contacted before the Christma= s=20 party, I will bring with us.

Safe Ride,

Jerry and Jo

- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C169E8.C24C6440-- - --part1_14.1d5c5bce.291edc96_boundary-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:47:59 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Christmas Party Just a reminder if you couldn't make today's meeting. Please RSVP with me or another member of the board for the 2001 Beehive Beemer Christmas party to be held on December 8, 2001 at Little America. It will start at Noon and be a bufet. The cost is $25.00 per person. We will have gifts, doors prizes and assorted merryment. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:08:41 -0800 From: Gary Wilson Subject: BB: hello fellow beemers I know many of you probably don't remember me. I moved to CA in September and consequently lost all my hard disc info and had to replace a mother board. I'm seeking John Merrick! John? Sorry we didn't have a chance to say "goodbye". You were in europe when I left. I'll tell ya these roads in CA are AWESOME! I acquired Joel's R90 and am now refurbishing the R75 which got rear-ended 2 days before going to Redmond. The R100 has become a parts bike. Tell everyone at Beans I miss em. John or Thayne? Give me a holler if you get out this way (Turlock, S. of Modesto). I'll be riding to St. George for Thanksgiving with my folks. Thayne? Dirk at Modesto Cycle Specialties was asking if you've buried another GS lately. Gary **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:42:49 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Annual Awards Just a reminder for those of you who could not make Saturday's meeting. If you need an annual award done up, or would like some time at the Christmas party to present your award, please let me know. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:05:45 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: query Given the hours of our Christmas Party (noon to 3:30 PM) Do people want to have a cash bar at the party or forgo it this year. Please let me know your opinion. at least from those of you who partake of the deamon rum. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:21:29 -0700 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: query NO, no cash bar. I think we should just have an open bar, send the tab to the club. Bob Jensen has volunteered to be everyone's designated driver. DeVern On 13 Nov 2001, at 10:05, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Given the hours of our Christmas Party (noon to 3:30 PM) Do people > want to have a cash bar at the party or forgo it this year. Please let > me know your opinion. at least from those of you who partake of the > deamon rum. Crit > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL (Das Amsdel) Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell! **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:51:20 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Answer to Query After the response from three of the most esteemed, or depending on your point of view, desperate members of the club, the consensus is to have a cash bar. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:08:19 -0700 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Answer to Query 3? Three?? A grand total of THREE, count 'em, three responses??? Now I really am concerned, as it appears that the only thing with the potential to be drier than the content on this list is the Christmas party..... (s)The Voice of Christmas Past On 13 Nov 2001, at 11:51, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > After the response from three of the most esteemed, or depending on > your point of view, desperate members of the club, the consensus is to > have a cash bar. Crit > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:37:05 -0700 From: David Friese Subject: Re: BB: query Yes. It is a Christmas Party! Members should have a choice, don't you agree? Joan > From: Swan555@aol.com > Reply-To: Swan555@aol.com > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:05:45 EST > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: BB: query > > Given the hours of our Christmas Party (noon to 3:30 PM) Do people want to > have a cash bar at the party or forgo it this year. Please let me know your > opinion. at least from those of you who partake of the deamon rum. > Crit > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:56:19 -0700 From: "David Friese" Subject: Re: BB: Answer to Query According to our information, the first query went out at 8:05 AM Tuesday, DeVern replied at 8:21 AM, and a decision was made by 9:51 AM same day. How many members do you think read that message? We surely didn't. We think 3 might be a pretty good response given these facts. What do you think, DeVern? Boogins > From: "DeVern Gerber" > Reply-To: "DeVern Gerber" > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:08:19 -0700 > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com, Swan555@aol.com > Subject: Re: BB: Answer to Query > > 3? Three?? A grand total of THREE, count 'em, three > responses??? Now I really am concerned, as it appears that the > only thing with the potential to be drier than the content on this list > is the Christmas party..... > > (s)The Voice of Christmas Past > > On 13 Nov 2001, at 11:51, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > >> After the response from three of the most esteemed, or depending on >> your point of view, desperate members of the club, the consensus is to >> have a cash bar. Crit >> > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:35:04 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Query I can[t seem to remember which Autolite Spark Plug can be used in my R1100, Would someone be so kind to remind this aging brain, the last time I replaced spark plugs I must have felt flush, because I put in Bosch Plats. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:55:50 -0700 From: "Russell" Subject: BB: Riding in Winter I thought you might like to read some tips for winter weather riding. I try to ride year round and am always interested in safety tips. The following tips are from an email discussion on the Long Distance Rider list and is forwarded with permission from the author. I avoid riding in snow and ice, but sometimes I get caught in some unexpected weather. If you have tips or suggestions for winter riding, please share. Tips from Chuck Hickey on riding in snow: 1. Don't do it if it is more than a few degrees below freezing and the sun isn't shining. 2. Stay in the tire tracks when possible 3. If the road starts to freeze - get out of the tire tracks and onto the fresh snow. 4. Look for sand on the snow - the one time when sand on the road is a good thing. 5. Stay out of first gear - accelerate slowly - brake slowly and more importantly smoothly. 6. Snow days are not the time to experiment with lean angles. 7. Some folks have recommended letting some air out of the tires - I can't comment on the validity of this. 8. Be warm - you will be tight enough because of the pucker power generated by the snow - staying warm will help relax you and your grip on the bars. 9. Putting your feet down doesn't help much. 10. Plan ahead - anticipate intersections and avoid hills where you might have to stop for a light - you need to keep moving. 11. some folks have wrapped rope around their wheels in emergency situations. Screws in your tires would be better. 12. Wait until you get home - then help yourself to a big shot of brandy.... you deserve it. 13. Big tip - Call for a taxi. The biggest problem with snow is after you fall down. Not much traction for your tires or your boots, so picking up the bike is problematic, at best. Perhaps Mr. Gerlach would like to comment on this. - --- Ride in the White Stag every year - you will eventually get to ride in some snow, somewhere. chuck h IBA # 197 **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:32:35 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Christmas Party and Awards If you haven't sent me your RSVP for the Christmas Party please do. As to annual awards, perhaps its pertaining to the times, but so far I have had only one submission for an annual award. Please let me know if you have a nomination or if you would like some time at the party to present (ED Rosco) your own awards. Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:23:40 -0700 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Tickets available. Off-topic BBers, I have ordered two tickets to Harry Potter that I can't use. They were purchased through fandango.com and are thus non-refundable. If anyone wants to use them, let me know and I'll give you the confirmation number to use at the Internet will-call window. Here are the details: Century 16 Salt Lake City 125 East 3300 South Salt Lake City, UT 84115 801-474-3456 Sunday, Nov. 25, 2001, 9:00 a.m. 1 Adult and 1 Child I know it's a long shot, but I figure if anyone wants to take his or her son or daughter to the movie (as I was going to do before my plans changed), this would be a good time. - -- Mike **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:12:34 -0700 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Off Topic: The tickets are gone. Thanks, all. - -- Mike **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:31:53 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Christmas Party Update Just a gentle reminder. We have had over 50 people RSVP for the Christmas Party. The room will open at 11:30. Cash Bar will beavailable from Noon to 2:00 PM. The buffet will start at 12:30. So Far I only have one award to give out. If you have some nominations or need some time to give an award let me know. We will have door prizes, a gift for everyone that attends and a 50/50. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:46:05 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Club Dues If you are not planning on attending the Christmas party, or are unable to make it you can mail your club dues for 2002 as follows: Beehive Beemrs c/o Joan Friese 4679 Porter Avenue Ogden, UT. 84403 Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:10:39 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Open House Just got back from BMW of Salt Lake. They will be having a Christmas Open House on December 15th. with goodies and good buys. Why not plan on dropping by. Crit **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:33:45 EST From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: BB: Christmas Party Our Christmas party is scheduled to take place in the Wyoming Conference room at Little America. We have the room from 11:30 to just after 3:00 PM. There will be a cash bar from noon to 2:00 PM. The lunch will be served starting at 12:30 Hope everyone can make it. Cost $25.00 per person. Door Prizes, Gifts for everyone and 50/50 **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:05:18 -0700 From: "John F. Fitzgerald" Subject: BB: GS1150's Accompany Olympic Torchbearers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C17CAB.2DB9FCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Beehive Beemers: While viewing NBC's Today program, they featured the start of the = Winter Olympic Torch Relay from Atlanta, GA. accompanied by BMW = GS1150's. The torchbearers apparently will have BMW motorcycles = accompanying them around the USA as was done with the Atlanta Summer = Olympics useing K75RTP's and a few R1100's. I hope that they are able to = complete the Torch Relay with any tipovers in snow as I did on the way = to the Chief Joseph Rally in 1997. John F - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C17CAB.2DB9FCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Beehive Beemers:

While viewing NBC's Today program, they = featured the=20 start of the Winter Olympic Torch Relay from Atlanta, GA. accompanied by = BMW=20 GS1150's. The torchbearers apparently will have = BMW motorcycles=20 accompanying them around the USA as was done with the Atlanta Summer=20 Olympics useing K75RTP's and a few R1100's. I hope that they are = able to=20 complete the Torch Relay with any tipovers in snow as I did on the way = to the=20 Chief Joseph Rally in 1997.

John F

- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C17CAB.2DB9FCE0-- **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:46:10 -0800 From: John Beeson Subject: BB: "nostradamus" virus from Gary Egan Just go an email from Gary Egan that had a virus in it. Or at least that's what my antivirus program said. If anyone can get ahold of him and let him know. Assuming his computer isn't crashed by now. Later JohnB Have a good get together tommorow **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:53:40 -0800 From: John Beeson Subject: BB: more info on virus Norton said it was the W32.Badtrans.B.@mm virus What ever the hell that means. **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:04:23 -0700 From: asager@mmm.com Subject: BB: January Breakfast Just a quick announcement to remind everyone of the January Breakfast meeting on January 12, 2002. 10:00am. Olympian Restaurant 4908 South Redwood Road Taylorsville, UT 801-968-7728 At the breakfast we will introduce the schedule for the year and the activities of the club. I apologize that we as a board were not able to find a replacement for Tom Deaver as the Editor and as a result, there will not be January 2002 Stinger. We are working on appointing an Editor but would appreciate your help if you are willing to help us out. Please let someone on the board know if you are willing to do the job of Editor. As a result of there not being a Stinger this month, please spread the word about the breakfast. I hope to see you all there as being around other motorcycle enthusiasts will help me with my PMS (parked motorcycle syndrome). Is the snow gone yet? Is the snow gone yet? Is the snow gone yet? Andy **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:18:53 -0700 From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: New Email Address My new email address is jebberg@xmission.com effective immediately. **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:11:44 From: "Winston Winston" Subject: BB: Club Suggestion I enjoyed our breakfast meeting today. I joined the club last June and have tried to attend every breakfast meeting. I live in Logan and at every meeting heard that we have other club members in the Cache Valley area. I have not met any of the Cache Valley members yet. As I understand the club boundaries, it covers the entire state of Utah. Would there be any interest in forming sub-groups within the club? For example the state could have regional activity groups and rides. It would allow us to meet other BMW riders in our local area who are not interested in traveling to SLC for breakfasts or rides that are far from home. For my part, I love traveling to different parts of the state (any excuse for a ride is a valid excuse for me). In our meeting this morning we discussed recruiting new members. Perhaps a regional approach would be appealing to those who do not live in the SLC area. To all of the new officers, thanks for volunteering and taking time out of your busy lives to support the club and my favorite activity, riding BMW motorcycles. Buck Russell _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:22:24 -0700 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: New Email Address With all due respect, Jeb, I wish you the best of luck in getting this changed. I've been trying for 6 months to get my Stingers sent to the right address....... :^/ DeVern On 12 Jan 2002 at 17:18, Jeb Berg wrote: > My new email address is jebberg@xmission.com effective immediately. > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL (Das Amsdel) Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell! **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:25:16 -0700 From: "Jeb Berg" Subject: BB: Test again Test again **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:26:02 -0700 From: "Jeb Berg" Subject: BB: Re: Test again IT WORKS!!!!! - ---------- > From: Jeb Berg > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: BB: Test again > Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:25 PM > > Test again > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: andy@hind-sight.net Subject: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January 26, 2002 at BMW of Salt Lake. They offered a tire patch tech session where spots had to be reserved. Check out their web site for further details. http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the club will have the opportunity to man a table and try to increase club membership. We are in need of some volunteers to help man the table. So far we have: Crit Swanner David Hartwig Andy Sager Please let me know if you are willing to help. Andy Sager **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:34:14 -0700 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House Andy; Thanks for the info RE the open house. I must take issue, however, with the concept of manning a table to "increase membership." We don't need any more members. In fact, since the club started chasing the idea of larger=better we have, like lemmings rushing toward the sea, ignored what is really happening around us. We have more members now than at practically any other time in club history, yet we have less involvement from the membership that at any time I can remember. I have a lot more to say on this and plan on venting my spleen both in person and in print, but suffice it to say for now that we as a club have lost sight of the fact that bigger isn't better, *better* is better. DG On 22 Jan 2002 at 23:20, andy@hind-sight.net wrote: > Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January 26, 2002 at BMW of > Salt Lake. They offered a tire patch tech session where spots had to > be reserved. Check out their web site for further details. > http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com > > As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the club will have the > opportunity to man a table and try to increase club membership. We > are in need of some volunteers to help man the table. So far we have: > > Crit Swanner > David Hartwig > Andy Sager > > Please let me know if you are willing to help. > > Andy Sager > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL (Das Amsdel) Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell! **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: JEFF STOKES Subject: Re: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House DeVern, Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Without new members bringing fresh ideas and enthusiasm into the club what shape would the club be in?? Look at the current officer board, all but Joan have been in the club only a few years. As you think about the members who time and time again volunteer there time to the club ask yourself, who is going to pick up the ball and run with it in the coming years. Are you running for office next year DeVern? If we followed your policy of not needing new members then the only members of our club would be the original core group of people that started the club. without new members the club will stagnate and start to decline. Active members make a better club and that may mean new members. Just my opinion Jeff Stokes --- DeVern Gerber wrote: > Andy; > > Thanks for the info RE the open house. I must take > issue, however, > with the concept of manning a table to "increase > membership." We > don't need any more members. In fact, since the > club started chasing > the idea of larger=better we have, like lemmings > rushing toward the > sea, ignored what is really happening around us. We > have more > members now than at practically any other time in > club history, yet > we have less involvement from the membership that at > any time I can > remember. I have a lot more to say on this and plan > on venting my > spleen both in person and in print, but suffice it > to say for now > that we as a club have lost sight of the fact that > bigger isn't > better, *better* is better. > > DG > > > On 22 Jan 2002 at 23:20, andy@hind-sight.net wrote: > > > Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January > 26, 2002 at BMW of > > Salt Lake. They offered a tire patch tech session > where spots had to > > be reserved. Check out their web site for further > details. > > http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com > > > > As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the > club will have the > > opportunity to man a table and try to increase > club membership. We > > are in need of some volunteers to help man the > table. So far we have: > > > > Crit Swanner > > David Hartwig > > Andy Sager > > > > Please let me know if you are willing to help. > > > > Andy Sager > > > > > **************************************************************** > > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > > > **************************************************************** > > > > DeVern Gerber > gerberd@mtwest.net > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL (Das Amsdel) > Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell! > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:28:27 +0000 From: "David R. Hartwig" Subject: BB: Bigger vs. Better? Hi folks: Reading the email and first of all, all people have the right to express opinions. Differing opinions spark creativity. Secondly there is something to be said for the idea that bigger is not always better. Better is better, I agree. Third -- how do you get better -- I suggest it is by getting bigger, getting more ideas; more opinions; more discussion. I've been a member for less than a year and have seen the club from that point of view. It is difficult to get involved with a group of "old-timers" if I can use that phrase, and it has been at times difficult to get involved in this club. No complaining at all, for it just takes some time and effort to get to know some of the members of the club and, overall, I have been welcomed most of the time. But, I really must weigh in on the side of recruitment and opening the doors to all (perhaps I'm just a civil-libertarian or something like that). Old-blood, new-blood, the bottom line to me is enjoying a motorcyle -- BMWs -- and riding with people who enjoy those machines; people who can teach me things about the machines or show me a new road - -- or just share the road. That is why I joined -- and why I would like to see the club grow. Can one really have too many friends? Can a rider really have too much help and companionship? I don't think so.... and, remember -- if the bigger is to become better it takes all of us to work together to bring old and new together and form a club we all want to be members of (is that a split-infinitive?) ... unless that is you're Groucho Marx (Never join a club that'd have him as a member). David Hartwig **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:19:44 -0700 From: "Bob Mabey" Subject: BB: FW: Membership Sent this to the old address yesterday and no one jumped all over me, so figured it didn't go anywhere. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Mabey [mailto:rdmabey@sisna.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:03 PM To: Beehive-Beemers (E-mail) Subject: Membership Fact of the matter is - you are probably both right. As a member of a couple of local groups, and president of one, I see them all with the same problem. I'm just happy to see people come out and participate. Let's quit taking this thing so seriously and have fun with it. More power to the "younger" guys or anyone who wants to get involved in making things happen. It ain't like we're running a multi-billion dollar enterprise like ENRON or something. Members will come and go for various reasons. I joined years ago as a charter member, drove up to visit with John Sherfy and learned more about BMW motorcycles in an hour than I had in a couple of years on my own, didn't even go to a meeting for probably ten years until I retired, but have now met some great people that I look forward to chatting with, etc. You young fellas go with it. No drugs and sex though. Well, I guess sex would be okay. Bob **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: andy@hind-sight.net Subject: Re: BB: Bigger vs. Better? Quoting "David R. Hartwig" : > Hi folks: > > Reading the email and first of all, all people have the right to > express > opinions. Differing opinions spark creativity. > > Secondly there is something to be said for the idea that bigger is not > always better. Better is better, I agree. > > Third -- how do you get better -- I suggest it is by getting bigger, > getting more ideas; more opinions; more discussion. > > I've been a member for less than a year and have seen the club from > that > point of view. It is difficult to get involved with a group of > "old-timers" if I can use that phrase, and it has been at times > difficult to get involved in this club. No complaining at all, for it > just takes some time and effort to get to know some of the members of > the club and, overall, I have been welcomed most of the time. > > But, I really must weigh in on the side of recruitment and opening the > doors to all (perhaps I'm just a civil-libertarian or something like > that). Old-blood, new-blood, the bottom line to me is enjoying a > motorcyle -- BMWs -- and riding with people who enjoy those machines; > people who can teach me things about the machines or show me a new > road > -- or just share the road. That is why I joined -- and why I would > like > to see the club grow. > > Can one really have too many friends? > > Can a rider really have too much help and companionship? > > I don't think so.... and, remember -- if the bigger is to become > better it takes all of us to work together to bring old and new > together > and form a club we all want to be members of (is that a > split-infinitive?) ... unless that is you're Groucho Marx (Never join > a > club that'd have him as a member). > > David Hartwig > > > **************************************************************** > The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List > http://www.beehive-beemers.org > **************************************************************** > > Thank You David, I was in the process of typing a reply when I read yours and found no need to add anything else. DeVern, I understand your complaint and I would say the same if the only thing the elected club officers are trying to do is increase membership. And since it is not, we are hopefully headed in the right direction. The January breakfast meeting gave us a chance to introduce this years calendar to the 47 people in attendance. It was unanimously accepted and will be posted to the web shortly. To tickle your interest, we are planning a lunch ride to Logan, some other club rides, tech sessions on bike to bike communication and GPS, rides to Park City, and other rallies and campouts. In the few years I have been a member I have asked myself why I keep paying my dues when this club does nothing motorcycle related or give me a chance to ride or discuss motorcycles. I feel the small steps we are taking as a board are steps in the right direction. We as a board welcome anyones feedback on the direction we are going as a club and gladly accept your willingness to help. Keep your eye on the web page and in upcoming Stingers for the club calendar and I hope to see you all on the road. Regards, Andy Sager **************************************************************** The Beehive Beemers Internet Mailing List http://www.beehive-beemers.org **************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of beehive-beemers-digest V1 #111 *************************************