From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #64 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Thursday, May 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 064 In this issue: BUFFY: Hi Re: BUFFY: b-b-books Re: BUFFY: My idea for a Buffy Episode BUFFY: Keeping Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" credits (NO SPOILERS) Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons Re: BUFFY: Cyber-Buffy SPOILERS Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... BUFFY: avant garde? BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) Re: BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) BUFFY: Keeping Stuff Re: BUFFY: NB & Xander Questions Re: BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) Re: BUFFY: avant garde? BUFFY: You're not welcome here Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... BUFFY: Personal Opinions RE: BUFFY: b-b-books Re: BUFFY: Raitings once again RE: BUFFY: Personal Opinions BUFFY: Daily Variety Article Re: BUFFY: avant garde? Re: BUFFY: stuff Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? BUFFY: "Master" Metcalf sighting Re: BUFFY: The Bronze BUFFY: Keeper stuff Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... BUFFY: Buffy's Past Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past Re: BUFFY: Hi BUFFY: Another note from Scott Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past BUFFY: ADMIN: READ ME! BUFFY: ADMIN: READ ME, TOO! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:50:59 EDT From: pugsley1@juno.com (Travis L Tidmore) Subject: BUFFY: Hi I really love BtVS but have only seen the pilot, the first hour episode, and the last 2 that have aired ( Me robot-You Jane & Puppet Master) I was wondering if anyone knows if they will air these as reruns this summer or not? Thanks Pugsley: Pugsley1@Juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:01:08 -0400 From: Laertes@webtv.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: b-b-books Actually novels based on TV shows can be very good if done by the right authors. Star Trek in all its forms have over 200 novels out (Bantam were the first publishers back in the 1970s). The Star Trek novel series is probably the definition of tv novels. If the right novelists can be attracted to write Buffy novels they could be very good. I realize that many critics hate books based on TV shows but when done correctly there are possible gems. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:01:08 -0400 From: Crimson Dream Subject: Re: BUFFY: My idea for a Buffy Episode Sharon Jacobs wrote: > > I'd like to point out that if they did move Angel's soul to another > body , that body would no longer be played by David B. Do we really > want that? > > Just me feeling really shallow > sharon Yes, if David gets too old. They could find some young cute guy to be the body to take the soul. Naja ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 18:06:42 EDT From: pugsley1@juno.com (Travis L Tidmore) Subject: BUFFY: Keeping Is anyone keeping Buffy's Cheerleading uniform because if not I'd like to be the keeper of it. Also does anyone have a list of all the Keepers and what they keep? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:33:02 EDT From: pugsley1@juno.com (Travis L Tidmore) Subject: Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" credits (NO SPOILERS) >Alan "Anime Nut" Hufana >ahufan1@uic.edu >Keeper of Willow's Chewed-up Pen Ok I'm new here and don't understand this Keeper of So-in-so's something so what does it mean and what can I be the kepper of? Thanks, Pugsley! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: PaulG77@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons Speaking of Demonology, I'm reading a really good book on demons right now. It turns out that there are actual, historical accounts of a demon named "Moloch". He supposedly posed as a god, and demanded young children as sacrifice. I believe he was one of "The Seven", a rather nasty bunch of demons. His picture in the book isn't TOO far off, either. Wonder how much research the writers do... Paul PaulG77@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:13:01 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cyber-Buffy SPOILERS > My roommate and I were saying the same thing. She hasn't wore an > outfit in the past two episodes that didn't prominently feature her wonder > bra. Heck, she even went to sleep with it on (as well as her make up) in > "Angel." > i dunno, if it's just me (and it probably is) but i found it refreshing that her bra straps were showing. i mean not only does that happen in real life where not everything has to be (or can be) perfect, but at least you NEVER have to deal with obvious nipples. i hate it when some actress is wearing a shirt that's skimpy (and it bothers me even more when the shirt covers everything) and she wears no bra. it just bugs me. my .02 Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: harper Subject: Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... On Thu, 8 May 1997 MnGdds@aol.com wrote: > Kristen-I think it's a cross,I'll let you know if I figure it out! > > <3 Isobel I don't know what it is, but... living where he lives and knowing what he knows, I think Xander would be foolish *not* to carry a cross on his person. Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann harper@tribeca.ios.com "Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:24:36 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: BUFFY: avant garde? or however you spell it. but not I don't get it. what's avant garde? Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) Okay what on God's Green Earth is "DABO!", I've seen this on the Buffy Board and now here, someone please enlighten me. Thanks! On Thu, 8 May 1997 hyphema@webtv.net wrote: > BETH wanted to know if ARMIN `HAMMER" SHIMERMAN would be "comming (sic) > back in future episodes." > yer darn tootin, he will. JOSS `THA MAN' WHEDON said so himself. DABO! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles' Coats&Ties ASH Appreciation Society Member - Watch Buffy: the Vampire Slayer - Series! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:07:36 -0400 From: Piper Subject: Re: BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) Sonja Marie wrote: > > Okay what on God's Green Earth is "DABO!", I've seen this on the Buffy > Board and now here, someone please enlighten me. Thanks! > > On Thu, 8 May 1997 hyphema@webtv.net wrote: > > BETH wanted to know if ARMIN `HAMMER" SHIMERMAN would be "comming (sic) > > back in future episodes." > > yer darn tootin, he will. JOSS `THA MAN' WHEDON said so himself. DABO! > > Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html > Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html > Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html > Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List > Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles' Coats&Ties > ASH Appreciation Society Member - Watch Buffy: the Vampire Slayer - Series! It's a gambling game on DS9, in Quarks bar. Actor Armin S. plays Quark and he played the new principal in the episode. When you win the game, (DABO), you yell DABO! Piper - -- " I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:06:16 PDT From: "Luke DeGrand" Subject: BUFFY: Keeping Stuff Is there all list of who is the Keeper of What? If so would some email me it? Also, Can I be the Keeper of Buffy's Bed? Rock on fellow Buffy lovers. buffylover@hotmail.com ********************************************************************************** Try? Try not! Only do or do not. There is no try! - -Yoda Empire Strikes Back ********************************************************************************** - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Annapilar@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: NB & Xander Questions I'm not dissing her; she was the best actress on the show. Nut, by the end, before she left, she didn't look 22. A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:27:51 -0700 From: Terrie Subject: Re: BUFFY: DABO?! (Re: SNIDE-ER) On Thu, 8 May 1997, Sonja Marie wrote: >Okay what on God's Green Earth is "DABO!", I've seen this on the Buffy >Board and now here, someone please enlighten me. Thanks! "Dabo" is a gambling game played at Quark's on DS9. - -Terrie Keeper of Angel's Fridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:28:17 -0400 From: Erin Doremus Subject: Re: BUFFY: avant garde? >or however you spell it. but not I don't get it. what's avant garde? Avant-garde: Those especially in the arts who create or apply new or experimental techniques. - ---- Mirrian Webster, Language Master Avant-garde: the leaders in new or unconventional movements, esp. in the arts; vanguard. Vanguard: those leading a movement: the leading position in a movement - ----- Webster's unabridged Dictionary Erin - geekhood leaping to the forefront Keeper of Buffy's stake (but I'll give it back if she needs it) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:07:15 -0700 From: Terrie Subject: BUFFY: You're not welcome here You know in "Angel"? Where he went flying through the window? I've heard people say Buffy threw him throught it. But right before that Buffy revoked her invitation. So he could no longer be in the building. *That* was what sent him flying. - -Terrie Keeper of Angel's Fridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth yeung Subject: Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... I don't know about that....I rewatched (skim) the episodes and I don't think that it is a cross. I can't tell what it is but I think it's a small round silver thing. That's all I can figure out from it. Liz On Thu, 8 May 1997 MnGdds@aol.com wrote: > Kristen-I think it's a cross,I'll let you know if I figure it out! > > <3 Isobel > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:52:34 +0100 From: Alex Subject: BUFFY: Personal Opinions Kay, I was bored out of my mind last night. So I took a trip to the local Video Store and couldn't resist picking up Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I am not sure if many ppl on this list like this movie, but let me babble for a few moments and then you all will see where it ties into BtVS. In BtVS the Movie (BtM from now on) there was the character Pike. Before I am flamed, Luke Perry is lame, but the idea of the character was kewl. I personally would love to see Pike make a apperance in BtVS, kinda showing Giles and the Slayerettes what Buffy's life was like before she was expelled from Sunnyvale. Plus, it would be very kewl to have a male in there that actually is around, and nows exactly what is going on with vampires. Xander and Willow know the score, but Pike has more then likely started slaying on his own, something the Slayerettes are not ready for. The chemistry between Buffy and Pike would be kewl, Pike would annoy Giles with his one-man slayer quest, and xander would be jealous as all hell! Perfect making of an episode. I don't want Pike to return full-time, but as a guest apperance kinda deal it would be great. now the feasibility of this is not great, do to who owns what part of Buffy, but still it would be kewl. What r all of your ppl's thoughts? - -ALEX Keeper of Pike's Motorcycle =) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 97 01:22:43 UT From: "Paul, Maria Aspan" Subject: RE: BUFFY: b-b-books >>>Actually novels based on TV shows can be very good if done by the right authors. Star Trek in all its forms have over 200 novels out (Bantam were the first publishers back in the 1970s). The Star Trek novel series is probably the definition of tv novels.<<< I'm probably a little off-topic here, but Star Trek novels -- while some are very good (Diane Duane and Peter David) -- some are also pretty horrible IMHO. Especially the later ones. I think the problem is basically character development. You can't have a series of 200+ books where you're not allowed to make any changes in the characters. For instance (binging in Buffy) you can write a thousand and one books about Buffy & Co. slaying vampires/demons/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night, but you can't kill anyone you didn't create (therefore the suspense factor is considerably lessened) and there can't really be any lasting effects on any of the characters. This is one reason that fan-fiction is so popular -- you can manipulate it to no end and although it will never be published or recognized as legitimate, you can really do anything you darn well please with the characters -- kill them off, bring them back, marry them or invent whole lives never alluded to on the show. Again, the actual show will never acknowledge your changes, but you aren't bound to stick to a certain "mythos" a la Star Trek. Maria GASP! Keeper of the Briefcase/ASH Appreciation Society Member "So...this wouldn't have anything to do with say an assignment, cloak and dagger stuff, the uh...brooding Englishman?" --Duncan, "VR.5" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:27:14 -0500 From: suicides@webspun.com (Dennis Abbeduto) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Raitings once again The Real McCoy wrote: > > Ok, I know Buffy has had the best Monday raitings and its the best raited > drama on WB, and the WB has limitid accessibility - exposure, but I still > see Buffy's raitings as being a really bad thing - problem. > I mean 102-104 is like the very very bottom of the list. People have said > compare it to other Wb and UPN shows, which true are all at the end of the > list (95+) but Buffy has ben doing worse than almost all of them i dunno if this has ever been brought up before, but im guessing a purty big part of buffys fanbase is college folks... im also guessing there arent many neilson(sp?) boxes in dorms... djdedd is the holder of Giles' cross GASP! end of line. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 97 01:34:23 UT From: "Paul, Maria Aspan" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Personal Opinions >>>couldn't resist picking up Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I am not sure if many ppl on this list like this movie<<< I surprised myself & actually did like it when I finally broke down and rented it last week. No Giles, but other than that not too bad, in a campy kind of way. >>>In BtVS the Movie (BtM from now on) there was the character Pike. Before I am flamed, Luke Perry is lame, but the idea of the character was kewl.<<< Actually, that's the one thing I've seen LP in where he's not unbearable and almost good looking (at least I wasn't throwing things at the screen whenever he appeared...) >>>I personally would love to see Pike make a apperance in BtVS, kinda showing Giles and the Slayerettes what Buffy's life was like before she was expelled from Sunnyvale.<<< Hmmm...interesting idea, but it might not work continuity-wise. (And I admit, I like to preserve the happy ending from the movie where they just ride off into the sun-rise? together. I'm a horribly sappy romantic.) But Pike might be a little old for our new Buffy...then again, considering Angel's age...:) Maria GASP! Keeper of the Briefcase/ASH Appreciation Society Member/Sampsonite/Head Case "So...this wouldn't have anything to do with say an assignment, cloak and dagger stuff, the uh...brooding Englishman?" --Duncan, "VR.5" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:34:54 -0700 From: "Okoniewski, Debbi" Subject: BUFFY: Daily Variety Article Today's Daily Variety (May 8th) featured an issued devoted to special effects. There is a great picture of the master vampire and the following information in the article. (I'm extracting Buffy info only): ************************************************************************ *************** "Back in the world of makeup effects, John Vulich and his company Optic Nerve Studios -- the scare factory responsible for the many thingies of the WB's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- is another monster-maker who must adhere to the parameters of weekly TV terror. The series, which chronicles the exploits of a high-schooler destined to slay vampires, witches, and other horrors, requires Vulich to spend an average of two weeks preparing for each episode. "The design process usually lasts for about two days, while construction takes an average of one and a half weeks," says Vulich, who spends about $10,000 per Buffy adventure. "We tend to re-use a lot of stuff. For instance, when we created a demon, we used the rear of a demon's head we had built for a comedy special. We only had to build new horns and a new face, so that cut the workload in half. If we had built such a creature for a feature film, however, we probably would have built a fresh demon right from the ground up." ************************************************************************ ******************* Considering that they only spend about $10,000 an episode, the effects look pretty good. That budget is incredibly cheap. The whole issue is really good, especially if you are into special effects. They talk about all the new movies coming out this summer. Deborah Okoniewski (who's off now to the Hercules and Xena wrap party!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: avant garde? >or however you spell it. but not I don't get it. what's avant garde? [various dictionary definitions deleted] It can also be used as an insult, for something which is so "cutting edge" no one can tell if this is a keeper, or the artist was just having a bad _____________ day/week/season. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: DaBill@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: stuff In a message dated 97-05-08 19:34:34 EDT, you write: << > "I'm a slayer, ask me how" Sarah Michelle Gellar Um, Sarah Michelle didn't say that. Buffy said that. BIG difference, and yes, it matters. A lot. So there. :-p >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------- ok when you get down to Buffy really didn't say because she is a character played by Sarah Gellar and if we get even more into it we find out that the writers wrote it for Sarah to say when she was on the show buffy the vampire slayer as the character of buffy. cool? peace. Billy Vellucci the protector of Sarah DaBill@aol.com We often love things, and use people. When we should use things, and love people. Don't be a character, build some. There are no shortcuts to any place wroth going. Some people succed because they are destined to some people succed because they are determined to ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 21:48:04 -0500 From: shannon howe Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? At 04:22 PM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >ok you must still be living in a dream world well ................ WAKE >UP....... >buffy would totally slay your little highlander figure and then go to the >bronze and party why you may asl because it would be an easy task for her and >she wouldn't be tired. some of you had said "ohh but the highlander is >immortal" well guess >what?...............what the heck are vampires well last time i checked they >were immortal to...duh. so therefore the highlander goes down that means bye >bye, no more, c-ya, peace out, no fries for me, and that would be the ending. sure vampires are immortal, if they drink the blood of mortals and stay out of the sun.. lets see the highlander is immortal if he.. well if he wakes up in the morning.. :) she might stake him but when he got up again... rayVen ******************************************** * "If the apocalypse comes, beep me." * * -Buffy 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer(series) * ******************************************** *"I dont like your god. Your god scares me"* * 'Bulletproof' * ******************************************** * "Lady, I gotta tell ya, I have been * * grossly misinformed about witches" * * - Bart Simpson * ******************************************** * The problem with the gene pool is it * * needs a life guard. * ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 23:06:11 -0700 From: Mark Safransky Subject: BUFFY: "Master" Metcalf sighting I was watching the movie "The Stupids" (I know, it was stupid too) and noticed "The Master" Mark Metcalf in the opening credits. Hey Hey, the Master is everywhere! Pity it was in such a dumb movie. - -- X-Lander N&NPacker/Custodian of the Loft/Slayer #32/Keeper of Angel's Bloodbags E-Mail: mailto:x-lander@geocities.com URL: http://www.geocities.com/~x-lander Xander - "Wake up and smell the seduction." - Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Bronze I have a fanasty that Angel owns the Bronze and that he lives at the back of it. He did say he lives close. Wolfkazzy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MnGdds@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Keeper stuff Hi !! I just wanted to let you all know that I have decided to be the Keeper of Buffy's sacred knuckle ring (she has one, she just doesn't know it yet). HeHeHe : ) Let me know if it's already taken ( I doubt it). What do you guys think??? Only 4 more days 'till the next episode!!! ~v~Isobel~v~ Keeper of Buffy's sacred knuckle ring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: MnGdds@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons I think that the writers do pretty good research for the show,with one exception-the Witch episode. I hope thy don't do any more of those! Does anyone know if they are ever gonna kill off Buffy and switch slayers?????? That would suck!! ~v~Isobel~v~ Keeper of Buffy's sacred knuckle ring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MnGdds@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: 'Xander's necklace... I'm not sure either but I'm determined to find out now. I'm gonna figure it out on the next episode. ~v~Isobel~v~ Keeper of Buffy's sacred knuckle ring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Real McCoy Subject: BUFFY: Buffy's Past I sorta thought about this as I read the post about the Pike character in the BtVS movie but... I think it would be interesting to find out what Buffy's life was like before Sunnydale. Like did she have any other "slayerettes", was there anyone helping her, how did she find out she was the slayer, what were her reactions when she found out....lots of stuff It would be especially interesting if someone from her past visited her in Sunnydale Chris McCoy cmccoy@mbhs.edu, cmccoy@erols.com, chris@imneverwrong.com The Hip Hop Hotlist - http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~cmccoy/2.0/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:11:25 -0400 From: Erin Doremus Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past >I sorta thought about this as I read the post about the Pike character in >the BtVS movie but... The first ep of BtVS I was equating Xander with Pike.... because they are both the loser types. In high school... you know, they are the ones with not to many friends. And they both have best friends who are turned in to vamps. Cordelia is sorta like all of Buffy(BtM)'s friends. And Willow.... well, there isn't a Willow type in the movie. Obviously Giles is like Marrick. Erin - up too late and babbling ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:18:49 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: Hi From Scott Woodard >I really love BtVS but have only seen the pilot, the first hour episode, >and the last 2 that have aired ( Me robot-You Jane & Puppet Master) I >was wondering if anyone knows if they will air these as reruns this >summer or not? Yes, reruns are scheduled to run through the summer and they will include the entire season's episodes. Scott The WB Television Network - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "There was no reason for him to act silly when he said hello unless poultry was involved." --Vivian, Sabu, Eastway (a.k.a. Easter), Emily, and Nigel (a.k.a. Kitty Nunkies) Rutledge as pantomimed to Bonnie Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:28:34 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: BUFFY: Another note from Scott Here's another note from Scott that never made it to the list. --S ***** Yes, Armin will be back as Principal Snyder! And let me take this opportunity to formally introduce myself to this list. My name is Scott and I work at The WB Television Network. Feel free to toss questions, comments, criticisms, etc. in my direction. It's good to be here! Scott The WB Television Network _____________________________________________________________________________ __ Subject: BUFFY: New Principal From: owner-buffy@xmission.com_at_~internet at pcworldtalk Date: 8/5/97 12:28 pm - --Text item: Authorized by... Message authorized by: : "Patrick Delahuntry" _at_~internet at pcworldtalk - --Text item: In the episode "The Talent Show" the new prinicipal appeared, he was played by Armin Shimmerman, Quark from DS9. Does anyone know if he is comming back in future episodes? I loved the interplay between him, Giles, Buffy and the Slayerettes Beth - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "There was no reason for him to act silly when he said hello unless poultry was involved." --Vivian, Sabu, Eastway (a.k.a. Easter), Emily, and Nigel (a.k.a. Kitty Nunkies) Rutledge as pantomimed to Bonnie Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:31:32 -0600 From: Craig Posey Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past At 12:11 AM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >>I sorta thought about this as I read the post about the Pike character in >>the BtVS movie but... > >The first ep of BtVS I was equating Xander with Pike.... because they are >both the loser types. In high school... you know, they are the ones with >not to many friends. And they both have best friends who are turned in to >vamps. Cordelia is sorta like all of Buffy(BtM)'s friends. And Willow.... >well, there isn't a Willow type in the movie. Obviously Giles is like >Marrick. Actually, there was a Willow type. The character's name was Cassandra and she was captured and killed by Lothos when Buffy failed to meet her after school for a tutoring date. She also appearred in the scene when the discussed the dance's theme as the girl taking notes and trying to prompt the others as to what was an important ecology issue. Craig napoleon@dbeach.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:32:35 -0600 From: Craig Posey Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cataloging Demons At 11:54 PM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >I think that the writers do pretty good research for the show,with one >exception-the Witch episode. I hope thy don't do any more of those! Does >anyone know if they are ever gonna kill off Buffy and switch slayers?????? >That would suck!! Would kind of ruin the title of the show if they did. Craig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:45:43 -0400 From: Erin Doremus Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Past >Actually, there was a Willow type. The character's name was Cassandra and >she was captured and killed by Lothos when Buffy failed to meet her after >school for a tutoring date. She also appearred in the scene when the >discussed the dance's theme as the girl taking notes and trying to prompt >the others as to what was an important ecology issue. OK... yeah, Now I remember. Thanks :) Erin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:38:25 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: READ ME! I'm posting the list rules again, as we seem to have a persistent problem with the listserv not sending them out to all new subscribers. If you haven't read these, please review and save for future reference. If you have read these, this is a slightly updated version which includes info on how to switch from regular to digest list, or vice versa, so you might want to save them. As always, please direct any questions offlist to Sharon and me. Jill *** Welcome! This list is for discussion of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," both the TV series and the movie. Because we want this list to be a great place to talk about "Buffy," we are setting up a few ground rules. If you've ever been involved in a discussion list, many of these rules will look familiar. Hopefully, they'll make list life more interesting (and more fun) for everyone. 1. Keep posts on topic. Topics should be related to Buffy the series, Buffy the movie, the actors involved in either project, etc.. Discussion of vampires in other universes is fine as long as they're being discussed in relation to the Buffy universe. 2. Please be careful with the use of strong imagery or language in consideration of younger list members. Think "rated PG." 3. No advertising of non-Buffy related items or services. If you want to post information about Buffy-related merchandise, conventions, etc., clear it through one of us first. Also, no binary files of any sort (including images, wavs, MOVs, etc). 4. Please don't post fiction to this list. There will be a separate Buffy fic list set up soon. 5. If you get advance information on a new episode, or see an episode earlier than the national viewing time, and you want to post about it, please do the following: **Mark the post as a "spoiler" in the subject header. **Leave about twelve lines (blank or with non-spoiler info) at the top of the post. This ensures that anyone who doesn't like knowing about an episode ahead of time is "protected." :) The blank space is for people whose mailers automatically open up the next piece of mail, without giving them a chance to see "spoiler" in the header. Spoiler warnings are not necessary after the start of the episode's national viewing time, which is currently set at 9 p.m. Mondays, US Eastern Standard Time. Spoiler warnings are not necessary for reruns. Spoiler protection is required after the US airing and before the Canadian airing. 6. Most importantly, there will be ABSOLUTELY NO FLAMING ONLIST. We have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour. Flames can kill a list, permanently damage relationships, and make life a lot less fun for everyone. What's a flame? NOT A FLAME: "I don't think so-and-so is a very good actor." FLAME: "So-and-so is a twit who can't act and has no brain." Broadly defined, a flame is a personally derogatory, inflammatory comment about another list member, their progenitors, or about any of the actors, writers, directors, producers or crew of "Buffy." Disagreements-- even heated ones-- are expected. But the minute you start slamming someone personally, you will face the Wrath of Jill and Sharon. First offense: offender is uns*bscribed for one week. Second offense: offender is uns*bscribed to the Buffy list for a minimum of three months. If the offender returns and flames again, they're offlist permanently. And no, it doesn't matter that the actors, writers, etc. from "Buffy" aren't onlist; we won't put up with anyone flaming them anyway. There are slander laws against it. It's also common courtesy. Determination of what is (and what is not) a flame is made by the listowners, and their decisions are final. Determinations of any penalties associated with flames are also made by the listowners, and their decisions are final. 7. Related to #6, the listowners reserve the right to "kill" any discussion threads which either of the listowners deem offensive, or which appear to be degenerating into a flame war. If either one of us declares a topic "dead," it's dead. Anyone who continues the discussion thread, against our express wishes, will be immediately unsubbed for one week. 8. And last, but not least, we reserve the right to deny subscription (new, renewed, or continued) to the list for any individual(s). IF YOU'RE S*BSCRIBED TO THE REGULAR BUFFY LIST AND WISH TO CHANGE TO DIGEST: You need to uns*bscribe from the Buffy list, and res*bscribe to the digest. (In all the examples below, please replace the character "*" with a "u"-- majordomo will bounce this post if I don't mask that word; it'll read it as an administrative request). Send a message to majordomo@xmission.com In the body of the message, put uns*bscribe buffy Then, send a second message to majordomo@xmission.com In the body of the message, put s*bscribe buffy-digest You'll go through the same approval process that you got when you subbed to the regular Buffy list. If you're s*bscribed to the digest version, and want to change to regular mail, do the opposite-- unsub from buffy-digest, and resub to buffy. Again, welcome! If you have any questions about these rules, please contact either one of us offlist. If you have subscription problems or questions, the fastest way to get help is to e-mail one of us at the addresses below, at the kirby@xmission.com addy which is the "official" e-mail owner of the list. Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) & Sharon Himmanen (romana@mindspring.com) Listowners, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Discussion List buffy@xmission.com - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "There was no reason for him to act silly when he said hello unless poultry was involved." --Vivian, Sabu, Eastway (a.k.a. Easter), Emily, and Nigel (a.k.a. Kitty Nunkies) Rutledge as pantomimed to Bonnie Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:46:29 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: READ ME, TOO! Both Jill and I will be at Syndicon this weekend, so we may not get around to administrative requests/problems as quickly as usual. I will be checking the list at least once a day, however, just in case any of you are entertaining ideas of throwing a wild party while we're away. :-) ***** Please read and save this post for future reference. In addition to the list rules, here are a few suggestions that are established netiquette. These aren't rules, though Jill and I are requesting that people follow them considering the high traffic this list generates. Some of you may have gotten offlist reminders about these from either Jill or myself. Basically, the common theme of most of these suggestions involve wasted bandwidth. Most of you I think will agree that keeping that to a minimum is a necessary thing on the buffy list due to the high traffic (which Jill and I think is GREAT, BTW! I've really been enjoying a lot of the discussion going on here, and look forward to seeing more of it as the series progresses.) NETIQUETTE 1. Please do not quote an entire message when replying. General netiquette suggests editing something down to four lines when replying, especially if your response only pertains to a portion of the original. 2. Sigs of up to 6 lines are acceptable. Longer sigs take up unnecessary bandwidth so please try to keep them to the minimum. At a bare minimum, you should put your email address at the bottom of your post in case someone wants to respond privately to you. Some mailers strip out the headers, where this information is usually contained. 3. When in doubt, and particularly when something is off topic, take it to private email. Since the reply to on the list is set up to automatically go to Buffy, Jill and I are well aware that mistakes will happen from time to time. If it does, you'll probably get a note from one of us about it. If you do happen to make a mistake, there's no need to post to the list apologizing, since that also is a waste of bandwidth. Going to private should be your first choice. If you do post something off topic to the list please include an ObBuffy in your post. 4. Please, no one line "this is a test" posts. If you think there's a problem with the list, please take one or more of the following steps. a. Write to either me or Jill (romana@mindspring.com or jtkirby@mcs.com) and tell us what you think the problem is. We'll answer you ASAP. b. Send a s*bscribe note to majordomo@xmission.com since you may have been uns*bscribed due to bouncing. If you aren't s*bscribed, that'll resub you; if you are s*bscribed, you'll get a note back saying you're still on the list. c. If you *must* send a test post (and this should only be as a last resort) please make it a post relating to buffy. 5. No "me too" posts. Those should go private, or should include more discussion. HOUSEKEEPING We're coming to the end of the academic year, and I just want to remind those of you with college accounts that you won't have access to over the summer to uns*bscribe from buffy. Mailboxes and disk quotas fill up and messages start bouncing. When that happens, Jill or I will unsubscribe you from the list, but doing it yourself before you go away makes our job a lot easier. Also, since it's not clear, the address for the list is buffy@xmission.com, whether you're on the regular list or on digest. I think that's about it. Back to your regularly scheduled Buffy discussion. :-) Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "There was no reason for him to act silly when he said hello unless poultry was involved." --Vivian, Sabu, Eastway (a.k.a. Easter), Emily, and Nigel (a.k.a. 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