From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #114 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Tuesday, June 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 114 In this issue: BUFFY: Re: Jobs Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (I added spoilers) BUFFY: fangs talk... Re: BUFFY: 5 points about Prophecy Girl (Spoilers) Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 2 Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (I added spoilers) BUFFY: Angel's place... BUFFY: Buffy Web Pages BUFFY: Woe to the Master! (no spoilers) Re: BUFFY: fangs talk... BUFFY: Re: Keeping Issue...... Re: BUFFY: Angel's place... BUFFY: "Prophecy Girl" quote list Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL remarks BUFFY: Taping eps for Japan Fan-or:My husband is a bad boy! Re[2]: BUFFY: Buffy episodes/tapes? Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 2 Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 1. BUFFY: Season Finale (Minor Spoilers) & and Some Answers Re: BUFFY: Angel's place... BUFFY: Buffy: The Master's list Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl (spoilers) Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (Minor Spoilers) & and Some Answers BUFFY: keeper problems See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Anna Taylor-Web Curator Subject: BUFFY: Re: Jobs Buffy could take up work in the "real world," and realize the true source of evil is the corporate monsters that operate with government sanctions and suck the life out of this planet....or is this plot twist too maudlin? I work in the said same corporate world...so I'm just kidding. Dilbert is only mostly right. There are plenty of nice concientious people making their daily wage not at the expense of mankind. - -Anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 07:10:30 PDT From: "Amiee Collier" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (I added spoilers) On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:02:05 +0000, Augie wrote: t r a l a l a t r a l a l a >Well, despite being extremely ticked off at my cable company for showing us >"Cybill" on the WB for about five seconds at the end of act 1 (I think it was), >it was a great show. > I thought I was losing my mind. Giles was telling Angel about the prophecy one moment, and suddenly I heard a laugh track. Time Warner must die. >Being the writer-wannabe that I am, Joss Whedon impressed me with his filmic >narrative here. Hard to describe, but this episode came across like a short >motion picture. > I loved how he did 'Joss Whedon: Creator.' The pull-back was fab. (Pardon me if my termonology is wrong... I'm Music Theatre, not film.) >And it's easy to see why it was rated TV-14. Grrr Argh indeed! > AAAAHHHHH! They killed Master Metcalf!!!!! What shall be come of the Groupies?! The end of this episode left me with the feeling that Joss didn't know if there would be a second season (which was true at the time). I had a feeling of completion. Amiee (a.k.a Daytripper) http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/index-1.html The Babe Known as Xander http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/nicholas.html "Hey!/ What's that on your face there Chester?/ Wipe it off/ It's making me sick!/ [pause...]/ Wipe it off!" - Brak's Poem from CARTOON PLANET - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:28:58 -0400 From: "Santiago" Subject: BUFFY: fangs talk... Terrie sez: > A friend of mine went as a vampire for Holleween. She said it was almost > impossiable to talk around the fangs. (She was useing the Hollywood-style > fangs-not the cheap costume store kind). (in the middle of a F.A. Meeting (Fang Anonomoyus)) hi... my name is Santiago, and i ... have fangs... *hi Santiago* anyway... from my intense knowledge of fangs, you gotta train your mouth to use'em right... they're just like braces in that when ya first get'em, you sound like you've got cotton balls in your mouth, but with practice you can talk normally (or as close to normal as a freak with fangs in their mouth can get) i think the hardst is "s" and "t" words, so practice saying "stake", or someone might try to kill you with cake Santiago, the fanged Vampire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Spuria@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: 5 points about Prophecy Girl (Spoilers) In a message dated 97-06-03 10:09:27 EDT, you write: << 3. Is Buffy still sorta "dead" (like Sheridan on B-5)? Is she a vampire? >> My fiancee Paul and I decided that if she had been a vampire, the cross she was wearing would have hurt her. Joanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:39:17 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Teate" Subject: Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 2 [DELURK] >X-Sender: jen@mailhost.pacwest.net > > >Did anyone else find that long wondering look Buffy gives Xander after he >revives her to be Potentially Significant? > I, too, wondered at the long wondering look that Buffy gives Xander. After some thought, I am now debating if it was a look of longing or a look of "What are you doing here?" >At the end of the show, Cordelia doesn't seem to be properly horrified at >the thought of going into the Bronze in the company of all of the school's >greatest losers (Angel excepted.) She must be in a state of shock ;) > Just a couple of thoughts on Cordelia's attitude. First, how much of Cordelia's attitude change was due to the wolf-lying-down-with-the-lamb/ cats-and-dogs-living-together type of chaos that is supposed to occur during the apocalypse. Also, this makes two eps. where Cordelia owes her life to Buffy and Co. It could be that we are beginning to see the (very?) small seeds of tolerance being planted between Cordelia and The Gang. After all, I'd be pretty tolerant towards someone who saved my skin twice. But I do not think that Cordelia will "join the club," just yet, especially with Willow's "Why is she in The Club" attitude. Just a couple more nit-picky points: 1. The clean prom-dress (already been brought up and beat to death); 2. I have never seen anyone rip a necklace off of a neck, like Buffy did with her cross, and have the clasp remain intact. 3. I am very impressed with Cordelia's car. She is able to drive it through two doors/walls without so much as a dent on the front fender. I guess that's German engineering for you. -- jct - -- Joseph C. Teate, Jr. - -- Auburn University, College of Engineering - -- Department of Computer Science and Engineering - -- E-mail : teatejc@eng.auburn.edu - -- WWW : http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~teatejc WITH Standard.Disclaimer; USE Standard.Discalaimer; "I'm not ashamed. It's the computer age. Nerds are in. They're still in...right?" -- Willow, "Prophecy Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 07:47:58 PDT From: "Amiee Collier" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (I added spoilers) On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:02:05 +0000, Augie wrote: t r a l a l a t r a l a l a >Well, despite being extremely ticked off at my cable company for showing us >"Cybill" on the WB for about five seconds at the end of act 1 (I think it was), >it was a great show. > I thought I was losing my mind. Giles was telling Angel about the prophecy one moment, and suddenly I heard a laugh track. Time Warner must die. >Being the writer-wannabe that I am, Joss Whedon impressed me with his filmic >narrative here. Hard to describe, but this episode came across like a short >motion picture. > I loved how he did 'Joss Whedon: Creator.' The pull-back was fab. (Pardon me if my termonology is wrong... I'm Music Theatre, not film.) >And it's easy to see why it was rated TV-14. Grrr Argh indeed! > AAAAHHHHH! They killed Master Metcalf!!!!! What shall be come of the Groupies?! The end of this episode left me with the feeling that Joss didn't know if there would be a second season (which was true at the time). I had a feeling of completion. Amiee (a.k.a Daytripper) http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/index-1.html The Babe Known as Xander http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/nicholas.html "Hey!/ What's that on your face there Chester?/ Wipe it off/ It's making me sick!/ [pause...]/ Wipe it off!" - Brak's Poem from CARTOON PLANET - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: hbaraza@ucdavis.edu Subject: BUFFY: Angel's place... [To the question on how Xander knew where Angel lived] Well, in the "Angel" episode, didn't Giles, Willow, and Xander find Angel's hangout when they heard the gunshots Darla was firing at Angel and Buffy? Willow, in an attempt to distract Darla and inform Buffy of the truth, even yelled out how it was Darla that bit Buffy's mom, not Angel. GhostWriter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Davignon Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Web Pages Okay, I know many of you have links to each others web pages. If you think you have almost everybody's page linked from yours, please send me the address. I really haven't been keeping up with web pages until now. Private email, please. mdavigno@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu Michael Davignon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:42:06 -0700 From: tacoppe@erols.com Subject: BUFFY: Woe to the Master! (no spoilers) snip <> Yes, that was a blow, but I have faith in the Master . I'm sure either he'll be back, or a suitably grotesque replacement will erupt. Whoever it is, they're sure to continue to require our services; so, not gonna pack away the candles just yet...in the meantime, must go feed the three-headed thingy...any volunteers? tc keeper of the ex-Master's candle concession "What do you think? 5.1?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:37:20 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (Charles U. Farley) Subject: Re: BUFFY: fangs talk... On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:28:58 -0400 "Santiago" writes: >Terrie sez: > >> A friend of mine went as a vampire for Halloween. She said it was >almost impossible to talk around the fangs. (She was using the Hollywood-style >> fangs-not the cheap costume store kind). > >(in the middle of a F.A. Meeting (Fang Anonymous)) > >hi... my name is Santiago, and i ... have fangs... >*hi Santiago* > >anyway... from my intense knowledge of fangs, you gotta train your >mouth to use'em right... they're just like braces in that when ya >first get'em, you sound like you've got cotton balls in your mouth, >but with practice you can talk normally (or as close to normal as a >freak with fangs in their mouth can get) > >i think the hardest is "s" and "t" words, so practice saying "stake", >or someone might try to kill you with cake > >Santiago, the fanged Vampire > I to have fangs but mine are located on my lower teeth (The difference between Garou & the Undead). I suggest starting slowly, over pronounce every word so you get used to the way your tongue feels against the canines. Gradually you'll get better but you'll never be able to talk "frantically fast" without lisping and spitting. It's just the price you pay for feral features. Revealing My True Nature, THE ARCHANGEL SEE MY WHOLE "KEEPING MESSAGE", THEN YOU'LL GET THE REST. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:37:20 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (Charles U. Farley) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Keeping Issue...... On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:19:30 -0400 danielle_cerrato@juno.com writes: >I agree in my opinion........so many people claim more than just one >thing that it isn't fair, there is really nothing left. What the hell >is the big deal DIDN'T WE ALL LEARN HOW TO SHARE IN KINDERGARTEN? >THINK OF IT AS OWNING STOCK IN AN ITEM.....GEEZ THE FLAMING IS TOO OUT >OF CONTROL. > >Danielle This message was followed up by a retort from Virginia Eveland . And previously someone vented on me for the whole claiming/keeping issue &........ they were right. As time goes on it all gets rather tiresome. Make no mistake, I'm still a supporter of "KEEPING", I just don't want to fight about it. O.K. Actually I don't know HOW to fight about it. Posting Boards? Registration? Which group or chat rooms you belong too? Claiming before an episode? GASPer? ASH Lover? SHEESH!!! There are just to many regulations on this subject, and I don't envy the poor soul who attempts to construct an actual rule book. I logged on to the Posting Board (Not that I know if it was the "RIGHT" one), said hello, read other messages, I even actually claimed something that didn't appear to have been taken yet (Xander's Tennis Ball of angst....Seems fitting no?). But if someone thinks its a cool idea and fancies KEEPING it too, I'm willing to share. After all..........It's the noble thing to do. (Do nice guys still finish last?) I could whine more but I think its the disgusting trait of weaker stock. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm to old to play the "MINE-MINE-MINE" game anymore, and I'm man enough to "Let It Go." Despite my past bravado, I concede........... THE ARCHANGEL NOT THE KEEPER, BUT SURE AS HELL A "LIKER" OF BUFFY'S PROM DRESS!!! ACTUAL KEEPER OF XANDERS TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE (But willing to share) AND A GUY WHO'S DAMN PROUD TO CALL HIMSELF A SLAYERETTE!!!! NOW PUT THAT IN YOUR FRIGGIN' PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!! YAHOOOOO!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's place... In a message dated 97-06-03 11:13:25 EDT, you write: << Well, in the "Angel" episode, didn't Giles, Willow, and Xander find Angel's hangout when they heard the gunshots Darla was firing at Angel and Buffy? >> It was in the Bronze that the fight btwn Buffy & Angel took place and Darla showed up (probably was there all along). as to how Xander found it...I guess he just is a very resourceful guy. Angel did tell Buffy that he lived near the Bronze.... Wolfkazzy "I can walk like a man,but I'm not one."--Angel. "Angel, you better put your game face on."--Buffy. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 1997 12:12:06 -0400 From: "Maureen Wynn" Subject: BUFFY: "Prophecy Girl" quote list Whoa, boy, it's a long one this week! I just couldn't put down the pen - *everything* seemed to be a quote. "Prophecy Girl" quote list (6/2/97) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ B=Buffy, G=Giles, X=Xander, W=Willow, A=Angel, D=Darla, M=Master C=Cordelia, MC=Ms. Calendar, F=Fritz, S=Sid, PS=Principal Snyder H=Harmony, MM=Ms. Miller - ------------------------------------------------------------------ X-Would you, um, date me? Oh, that's good. "Date me." It's terrible, right? W-Huh? Oh, no. Well, yes, "date me" is silly. X-You know, Buffy, Spring Fling just isn't any dance. It's a time for students to choose, um, a mate. And then we can observe their mating rituals, and tag them before they migrate... just kill me! X-I wanna do it now. I gotta do it now. W-Well, Buffy's not here. You can practice on me some more. X-What's she doing? W-You know, the usual. B- B-Three in one night. Giles would be so proud. M-Yes, yes! Shake, earth! This is a sign. We are in the final days. My time is come! Glory, glory! What do you think? 5.1? B-How you doing there, Giles? Get much sleep last night? G-I've been working. B-Me, too. I went hunting last night, and it is awfully sweet of you to ask. B-Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. Look, I broke a nail, okay? I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual interest. You could go, "hmm." G-Hmm? B-I can't put it off any longer. I have to meet my terrible fate. G-What? B-Biology. B-Wow, that was boring. X-I don't feel that "boring" covers it. B-No, "boring" falls short. W-Even I was bored, and I'm a science nerd. B-Don't say that. W-I'm not ashamed. It's the computer age. Nerds are in. They're still in, right? X-Buffy, I want you to go to the dance with me. You and me. On a date. B-I don't know what to say. X-Well, you're not laughing. That's a good start. X-We've fought some bloodsucking fiends, and that's all been a good time. But I want more. X-I guess a guy's gotta be undead to make time with you. X-I don't handle rejection well. Funny, considering all the practice I've had, huh? MC-You know, that outfit looks just like the one you wore yesterday, only wrinklier. MC-A cat, last week, gave birth to a litter of snakes. A family was swimming in Whisper Lake when the lake suddenly began to boil. And Mercy Hospital last night - a boy was born with his eyes facing inward. I'm not stupid. This is apocalypse stuff. Throw in last night's earthquake, and I'd say we've got a problem. I'd say the end is pretty seriously nigh. C-You're so sweet. Why are you so sweet? Kevin-I don't know, 'cause I'm usually mean as a snake. C-Willow, I really like your outfit. W-No, you don't. C-No, I really don't, but I need a favor. W-How'd it go? X-On a scale of 1 to 10? It sucked! W-Oh. X-Well, I guess it could be worse. I could have gangrene on my face. X-She's still jonesing for Angel. X-The deal's done. The polls are in, and it's time for my concession speech. W-You think I wanna go to the dance with you, and watch you wish you were at the dance with her? You think that's my idea of hijinks? X-That's okay. I don't wanna go. I'm just gonna go home, lie down, and listen to country music. The music of pain. B-You and me - a mother/daughter thing. We could talk about all the embarrassing things you love to bring up. B-Then what happened? J-I met your father. B-He didn't have a date either? J-He did. And that's a much funnier story that you will not get to hear. C-You don't understand. I'm not mad. He totally flaked on me. On me! And I don't even care. God help me, I think it's cute. Ohhh! There they are. They're watching cartoons. That's so cu-- That's not cute. That's annoying. I'm annoyed. W-Right. I'm furious. W-Well, obviously, Kevin has underestimated the power of my icy stare. MC-Okay, so this Master guy tried to open the Hellmouth, but he got stuck in it. And now all the signs are reading that he's going to get out, which opens the Hellmouth, which brings the demons, which ends the world. G-Yes. That about sums it up, yes. MC-The part that gets me, though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little. MC-It's kind of warm and fuzzy for a message of doom. G-I've made up my mind. B-So have I. G-I made up mine first! G-I defy prophecy, and I'm going. There's nothing you can say that will change my mind. B-I know. G-We stay calm, first thing. X-Calm?! W-I think he's right. X-I'm sorry. Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here, but I'm freaked out and I intend to stay that way. X-How could you let her go? G-As the soon-to-be purple area on my jaw will attest, I did not _let_ her go! MC-I'm sorry to bring this up, but we also have an apocalypse to worry about. X-Do you mind? W-How come she's in the club? X-How can I say this clearly? I don't like you. At the end of the day, I pretty much think you're a vampire. M-Welcome. B-Thanks for having me. You know, you really ought to talk to your contractor. Looks like you've got some water damage. M-Oh, good. The feeble banter portion of the fight. X-You were looking at my neck. A-What? X-You were checking out my neck, I saw that. A-No, I wasn't. X-Just keep your distance, pal. A-I wasn't looking at your neck. X-I told you to eat before we left. M-You are not the hunter, you are the lamb. B-You know, for someone who's all-powerful, you sure do like to hide. M-Oh, by the way, I like your dress. MC-Why are they coming here? W-Not caring! W-We've got to get to the library. C-The library - great. W-Of course, we generally walk there. B-Oh, look, a bad guy. C-See how _you_ like it! M-Come forth, my child. Come into my world. B-I don't think it's yours just yet. M-You're dead. B-I may be dead, but I'm still pretty. Which is more than I can say for you. M-You were destined to die. It was written. B-What can I say? I flunked the written. M-Did you really think you could best me here when you couldn't below? B-You have fruit punch mouth. M-What? B- M-Where are your jibes now? Will you laugh when my hell is on earth? B-You're that amped about hell? Go there! G-Buffy? B-Oh, sorry. It's just...been a really weird day. X-Yeah, Buffy died and everything. W-Wow. Harsh. G-I should have known that wouldn't stop you. MC-Well, what do we do now? G-I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to get out of this place. I don't like the library very much any more. X-Hey, I hear there's a dance at the Bronze tonight. Could be fun. C-Yeah! W-Buffy? B-Sure. We saved the world, I say we party. I mean, I got all pretty. MC-What about him? B-He's not going anywhere. Loser! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:34:34 CST6CDT From: "Matthew M. Rasnake" Subject: Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL remarks Once more I leap out of hiding, to add my inane chatter to the mass expounding on the subject of the season finale, and since Maytree wrote what seemed the longest review covering the most points, I shall reply to a few of hers with my own views... First and foremost, least anyone think otherwise, I thought the episode as a whole was quite good--not GREAT!!!, and not perfect, but quite good nonetheless. On 03-Jun-97, Jennifer Hawthorne wrote: >(Continued from Pt. 1) >"I >told >you >to >eat >before >we >left!" >Buffy to Colin: "I know who you are." Well, so much for prophecy being >accurate in the Buffyverse. Still, even if Buffy hadn't known about Colin, I think the way he just stood there and calmly asked for help while obviously in no immediate danger or even, for that matter, haste, she would have suspected something wasn't quite right about him. >Pop culture reference of the week: Xander referring to Giles as "Locutus of >Borg." Being a BIG Trek fan, I was particularly pleased by this remark. >Ms. Calender tells Giles to "Concentrate on demon killing." But the Master >and his brood are all vampires, not demons. Ah ah ah, if I am to understand Buffylore correctly, Vampires in the Buffyverse are indeed demons, or at least "demons in sheep's clothing." >Someone's already pointed these out, but just to reiterate: Not requiring >oxygen doesn't mean Angel can't perform CPR, though *Angel* might not know >that. But I'm getting too analytical here. Let's just put it down to Angel's >ignorance about how CPR works. I'm sure he's never seen a reason to learn. >(Also, he may have been afraid of losing control and going for her neck >instead, like he almost did while kissing her in "Angel.") And this is the subject which was originally prompting me to write this ep. review. I'm glad someone realized how silly that particular line was, besides me. But, while Angel *might* not know how to breath, it is unlikely, because since he is *so* old, I'm sure he's had the odd century or so to sit around trying out all his muscles to see what they can and can't do. I rather think it was just Joss trying to keep us in perspective that Angel is in fact a Vampire, and not a human, much as he would like. The writers did similar things with Data throughout Trek:TNG. I can buy the Angel's CPR ignorance thing, as his whole purpose as a Vampire is to take life, not give it. It is only by virtue of the return of his soul that he is helping (and in love with) Buffy in the first place, without out it, he would be at her throat (ahem) just like all the rest. Speaking of at the throat, that is also a very good hypothesis for his not assisting Xander. >Did anyone else find that long wondering look Buffy gives Xander after he >revives her to be Potentially Significant? Yes. (hey there's a short reply... oops, ruined it...) >I'm kind of confused about why Cordelia, Willow, and Ms. Caldender went >tearing off to the library. I could see them wanting to pick up Giles and get >out of there, but the car seemed far more secure than the library. Why did >they choose to hole up in the library instead of grabbing Giles and >scramming? Perhaps we can just put it down to panic. I would say panic, but I suppose it just could've been a question of: once they had gotten the car in the school, where in the heck could they turn it around. I'm sure it could've been accomplished with some time and thought, but both were scarce at that moment. >So did Buffy get new powers from her experience with the Master, or not? I have no idea. (Well actually I do have an idea, but it'll be my Masters thesis, once I get around to going back to school.) >I'm a little confused about what exactly was going on with the Master... >the Master seems to have this idea that *he's* going to be running things >once he's gotten the portal opened. >So which way is it, eh? Are the Nasty Critters on the other side of the >portal the original "Old One" demons, presumably superior to the demon/human >hybrid vampires, or are they just a bunch of hungry mindless squirming >monsters? Actually the squirming monsters were physical representations of the often annoying sometimes downright maddening inconsistencies that can creep ever-so-slowly into a television series plotline. It seems most likely to me that our dear departed(?) Master had a bit of a... a... (oh do forgive me for this) a Christ complex. (Christ complex in a demon, figure that one out.) Perhaps he (and the others) read to much into those "darned" prophesies, giving the Master too much credit, and it went to his head. >Also, I suspect the Master may have been BSing Buffy with that "And you're >the one destined to let me out!" stuff, because back in the pilot he seemed >to think he'd be getting out right then without any help from a Slayer. He >was probably just tormenting her for the fun of it with that line. Even if you know the future, you will try to circumvent it. Perhaps he just thought he could do it on his own ( a result of his daily affirmations, I'm sure... Master: I'm evil enough, I'm smart enough, and doggonit, people hate me!) Okay now to some things I was thinking (on my own this time!) of which I've noticed a few being echoed onlist. It was short... at least it seemed that way. Season finale! Hell on earth! The Master arises! One hour? Whoa. There was so much more show that could've been but wasn't. I felt rushed, hurried, and unfortunately, somewhat detached. I mean, Hell spews forth from the ground, the "Master" arrives on the threshold of his new world, and all we get are a few Vamps, some "zombies," and a multi-headed slimy toothy thing? Come-on. I mean Willow sees death on her doorstep and we only get 3 minutes of her pain (which admittedly, she did a Wunnerful job with); Buffy DIES, and we don't even get a Xander/Angel high-five simultaneous victory yelp, all we get is Xander: oh yeah, Buffy died... ok... I'm ranting now... I'll stop. As I said: overall quite good. Kudos to all the cast members, the acting was excellent, and a darn sight better than most of the other trash to come out in the past coupla years. BRAVO to all on a successful first season, and here's to many more! >It's gonna be a long summer... You said it. P.S. As a newby to this list I'm not exactly sure how to "register" for keeping something, so I'll just generally request it from all. (Someone please let me know how to do it "officially." I haven't noticed anybody else with it yet (could be wrong), so I'd like to be: Keeper of Angel's "Game Face." Thanks for your time and patience, M@ - -- Matthew M. Rasnake www.thepoint.net/~mrasnake mrasnake@thepoint.net Louisville, KY +----------------------------------------------------+ |The true path is steep and covered with dense growth| |The false path is level and free from obstruction. | +----------------------------------------------------+ This E-mail originated on an Amiga! Using public domain software (YAM 1.3.4 and Miami2.1) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:41:48 +0000 From: Lara Negami Subject: BUFFY: Taping eps for Japan Fan-or:My husband is a bad boy! Hello everyone, Some of you might remember me: I`m the person in Japan that asked if anyone could tape Buffy eps for me. Some one replied and said they could. I haven`t heard from that person in a while, and I wanted to know how it was going. Some of you probably have one or both of the following questions in mind by now: 1) Why is she putting private business on the public list? and 2) Why doesn`t she contact the person directly? and the bonus question: 3) Why is she saying "the person", and not the name? These questions can be answered easily: A: Because my dear sweet wonderful husband (who is now in the doghouse) DELETED my address book! AAUUGGHH!! Could the person who agreed to tape the eps for me please send me an e-mail? Thank you very much! I`m so sorry to post this to the general list. Sincerely Lara Negami L.Negami@po.saganet.ne.jp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 9:40:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Buffy episodes/tapes? >For us purists, does anybody know if there will be any changes >from the first showing? I mean things like different credits, >addition of a "last week on BtVS" prologue, cuts to make room for >showing the credits twice, etc. I'm pretty sure there will be a recap at the top of "The Harvest" in regards to "Welcome To The Hellmouth." Also, expect a "Next week on Buffy The Vampire Slayer" teaser at the end of "Welcome To The Hellmouth." I'm certain that no "cuts" have been made to accomodate the credits, though. Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 12:46:13 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl At 10:42 PM 6/2/97 -0700, hbaraza@ucdavis.edu wrote: >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >S >P >A >C >E >! >Like why didn't Buffy die? If she was bitten, she should have >_at least_ turned into a vampire, right? Not necessarily. Remember that Darla bit Buffy's mom and she didn't become a vampire. She was just a pint or two low. It could be that The Master didn't take that much, but then why did Buffy die from it? Because The Master is terminally ugly? :-) Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com As me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 12:41:48 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 2 At 09:39 AM 6/3/97 -0500, Joseph C. Teate wrote: >Also, this makes two eps. where Cordelia owes her life to >Buffy and Co. It could be that we are beginning to see the (very?) small >seeds of tolerance being planted between Cordelia and The Gang. And don't forget that Cord did some of the saving herself. Both Willow and Ms. Calendar owe their lives to Cordelia. If she and her BMW hadn't happened along just then they'd be vampire fodder. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Cordelia next season, but I hope they don't make her too nice, or too buddy-buddy with Buffy and the Slayerettes. She's more fun and funnier the way she is and I'd hate to see them soften or mellow her. Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com As me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:00:16 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: PROPHECY GIRL: Quibbles & Nits (and Nits and Nits...) Pt 1. At 03:35 AM 6/3/97 -0700, Jennifer Hawthorne wrote: >A quick list etiquette question: After the Monday airing, is it more polite to: >a) Include spoiler lines just to be nice to Canadians and others who might >not get to see it, or b) Leave out the spoiler space in order to spare >bandwidth? I'll address this to the list as whole. We don't require that people put in spoiler warnings or space after the initial US broadcast. However, a lot of people are doing it out of courtesy to the Canadians and the Chicago markets who don't get the episode until later in the week. So it's up to the individual. Since it is being done out of courtesy I don't consider it a waste of bandwidth. However, it's also not required, so it's OK *not* to include it as well. How's that for a non-answer? :-) Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com As me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:11:20 +0100 From: Alex Subject: BUFFY: Season Finale (Minor Spoilers) & and Some Answers Heya all. As you all know I am a lurker on this list and usually only post when Saturn is in alignment with the Moon, but... 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 SPOLIERS SPOLIERS SPOLIERS SPOLIERS the Season Finale FLOORED me!!! WOW!! Kay, now that I am done with my outburst, I just wanted to comment on a few things. Buffy being a Vamp: Unless JOSS and Co. are going to make a major screw-up and go against what they have all ready set up, Buffy described what needs to be down to create a Vampire. "No, to turn you into a Vampire, they have to suck your blood, then you have to suck their blood. It's this whole sucking thing.. Why am I still talking to you?" buffy NEVER drank from the Master, hence no Vampire created. However, she does say she feels different, stronger. I wonder where that will lead.... JOSS and his creatvity: I have to applauded JOSS and his stunning creative wit. I was honestly shocked that he tied up the season into a full package, and didn't leave us hanging until next season. I loved how there where small threads laid down throughout the season, and they where tied up at the end. Damn good work. Plus he left us asking for more, without giving us another cheesy Cliffhanger!!!! It is offical I am changeing JOSS to my deity of choice!! =) - -ALEX Keeper of Pike's Motorcycle (WOW... I only keep one thing... gawd people must think I am a rebel..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:31:13 -0700 From: Terrie Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's place... On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, hbaraza@ucdavis.edu wrote: >Well, in the "Angel" episode, didn't Giles, Willow, and Xander find Angel's >hangout when they heard the gunshots Darla was firing at Angel and Buffy? >Willow, in an attempt to distract Darla and inform Buffy of the truth, even >yelled out how it was Darla that bit Buffy's mom, not Angel. Nope. That was the Bronze. - -Terrie Keeper of Angel's Fridge "Grrr, Argh" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:31:09 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: The Master's list Okay, I'm going to give it another 24 hours and then I'm going to make a Master keeping list. Well, for the master, that is. Katie kmasters@rof.net Keeper of Angels Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Popularity Keeper of Colin's Mortality Kepper of Willows Voice http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html HUGE FAN OF BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:26:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl Just thought I'd let you know that our ratings were terrific last night thanks to you! Multi-Market Average 9-9:30pm 4.6 Rating / 7 Share 9:30-10pm 4.8 Rating / 7 Share Top 10 Market Average 9-9:30pm 5.6 Rating / 8 Share 9:30-10pm 5.7 Rating / 8 Share Top 2 Markets NY 9-9:30pm 6.4 Rating / 9 Share 9:30-10pm 6.4 Rating / 9 Share LA 9-9:30pm 7.9 Rating / 12 Share !!! 9:30-10pm 7.9 Rating / 12 Share !!! Way to go!!! Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:34:28 -0700 From: Juliana Lee Subject: Re: BUFFY: Prophecy Girl (spoilers) At 08:32 AM 6/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Terrie wrote: > >> 1 >> 2 >> 3 >> 4 >> 5 >> 6 >> 7 >> 8 >> 9 >> 10 >> 11 >> 12 >> 13 >> >> Okay, one last grip, and then I'm going. How the *heck* did Xander know where >> Angel lives? > >One more to add to the list, Angel has a phone? > >Susan > > > Hmm...why can't Angel have a phone? I mean, he may not be caught up with ALL the wonders of modern life, like CPR, but if for nothing else, to keep up appearances. I mean, what landlord would NOT get suspicious if his tenant never used the phone? As for Xander finding Angel (cue vision of him running through the sewer, desperately trying to find a tunnel that led to an apartment complex), maybe Angel's listed in the phone book? <=o) Hmm...that leads to another question. Does Angel use a last name? Or is he just listed as Angel? Hee hee. I can imagine it now: one of those stupid Pacific Bell yellow pages commercials, "If it's not in here, perhaps it doesn't exist". Juli... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Davignon Subject: Re: BUFFY: Season Finale (Minor Spoilers) & and Some Answers Perhaps being in that situation awakened some latent slayer abilities? Michael Davignon On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Alex wrote: > she does say she feels different, stronger. I wonder where that will > lead.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:44:49 PDT From: "~*Violet Starr*~" Subject: BUFFY: keeper problems okay I have two main things to say 1. I have finally found a more organized way to list keepers of non main cast, then HOTMAIL STRIKES AGAIN!!!!! I have lost ALL of my save messages in my folder of keeper. so if you have e-mailed me wanting to be akeeper Please resend your request ONLY to "Violet_Starr@hotmail.com" with the subject "NON-main cast" and I'll send you more info. anyone who wants to adopt-A-Vamp, or be one of Cordelia's keepers e-mail me at "Violet_Starr@hotmail.com" 2.this Is many for people who keep a keepers list. okay here is my problem. I have been geting request from people who want to claim things, but have already been claimed. so I tell them sorry and ask if the want to claim somthing else. when they do it is aslo something that has been claimed or you reply to them and to say "yes you can keep that item" and they never write back to give you info they want listed. what do you people(list keepers) do? thank you - -VIOLET- Buffy_SLayer@hotmail.com Member of GASPer Adopter of colin keeper of: The Masters Children ,Giles Dreams & Cordelia's MayQueen Dress&Everyones dreams & nigtmares!!:) http://members.tripod.com/~buffy_slayer Cordelia's list is on my page! †CHOSEN1† - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #114 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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