From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #180 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Tuesday, July 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 180 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: fan name Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Intro and question Re: BUFFY: Scream Again/I Know What You Did Last Summer info Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Scott... help me out man. Re: BUFFY: David BUFFY: GilesWear - The Latest UnFashion Trend for Men! Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy BUFFY: A1 BUFFY: Ignore Little Buffy Keeperships Post BUFFY: Re: GilesWear - The Latest UnFashion Trend for Men! BUFFY: new episode? Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics Re: BUFFY: Dubba Dubba!!..and how do you rate your Buffys? Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack BUFFY: magz & Scream BUFFY: "Read" posters and Xander's possession Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics Re: BUFFY: David Re: BUFFY: fan name Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas BUFFY: SMG and Alyson in Top 20 site. Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy Re: BUFFY: Dubba Dubba!!..and how do you rate your Buffys? Re[2]: BUFFY: Scott... help me out man. Re: BUFFY: SMG and Alyson in Top 20 site. Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 01:18:11, -0500 From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics "Ellen S. Ross" wrote: >The Ojai connection strikes again. >Read the following rumors about the new "Bionic" movie to be scripted by >Joss Whedon at: Oh, this is too funny. When we finally have our first Buffy the Vampire Slayer convention, we have to have it in Ojai. It could be our version of Sedona, Ariz., or Stonehenge. :) Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 01:19:56 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Robert Huff wrote: > I would say rather part of Xander knows about Willow's > interest, and is no more attracted to her than Buffy is to him, > Normally this part is submerged by his feelings of friendship and > (currently) his lust for Buffy. And of course we all remember how pissed off Xander was and low he felt when Buffy rejected him, but her feelings and reasons for rejecting him are pretty close to his feeling and I think the way he would reject willow. He should have considered that a little more when he was laying on the bed listening to patsy cline. (don't think I'm a Xander basher here, he's my favorite character, just a lot to be said about him). - -Lawless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:29:00 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night > Virginia Eveland wrote: > > > Another cute note about the Dodge Ball scene, notice that only Buffy has > > a gym shirt with spaghetti straps? well, also, willow's the only one with a long sleeved gym shirt. and it also looked like velour...a good fabric for going outside to play. :) lawless wrote: my take on that is his desire for buffy is heightened because it's so primal. i mean, regular good old xander wants to hook up with buffy. the way he obsessed about her isn't a "oh, i just want to be able to say i'm your boyfriend." to me, it seems like he's obsessed as in he wants them to date, fall in love, get married, have a honeymoon... so in essence, he wants to mate with her, which is (i can't remember the word) very nature-y, primal---oh! i remember, instinctive! so that's how i explain away that. i think that he was just being mean to willow just to be mean, not really because deep down he thinks she's ugly. hyenas are mean animals...just go back and watch the lion king. :) One more thing, he tells Buffy that Willow is only "kidding > herself." Does this mean that before he was possessed he already knew > of her feelings for him? i think he found out when he was using his super hyena sense to listen to buffy and willow talk. Given the fact that he > remembered everything he did while possessed, ok, i THINK i get that xander remembers everything, but will some one please explain it to me? i just did NOT get that last scene. PLEASE?! so xander DID remember his little encounter with buffy? and he won't bring it up if the girls won't? and giles is the only one that actually knows that xander DOES remember doing all that stuff? and xander was acting during that whole "i ate a pig?! was it cooked and called bacon?" ? wow! talk about needing therepy. i mean the other kids in the pack. i'm sure that they MIGHT be able to cope with eating a raw pig, but eating their principal? can we say scarred for life? i wonder how they'll explain it to their parents. "mom, dad, i really need to get this off my chest. see what happened was..." the 'rents will be shelling out the dough for massive therepy. This would cancel out the "ignorant, > doesn't know any better Xander" that it appears is asking her to the > dance, and replace it with a "shallow, not thinking about Willow's > feelings Xander" in Prophecy Girl. the only way i can explain this is that an amount of time passes between the pack and whichever episode comes next (i can't remember) and then more to prophecy girl. if it's enough time then xander just forgets because he is a teenage boy that is really wrapped up in his own life. which basically revolves around buffy. and willow also doesn't know that xander knows, so it's possible that it's also partly a "if she doesn't bring it up, neither will i." Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. I broke a nail last night! Look, I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual intrest. You could go 'Hmmmm'. "--Buffy "Hmm?"--Giles, Prophecy Girl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:43:17 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: fan name :Just a question but, why is this argument wasting my inbox space :anyway? Do we even need a name. Do I need to have a certain name to :like Buffy? I think not. : Because you subscribed to this list and that's what people are talking about. If you don't want to follow a thread, just delete the message, but don't complain because you don't like the conversation. *Titania* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 02:09:10 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Wien Huang wrote: > they MIGHT be able to cope with eating a raw pig, but eating their > principal? can we say scarred for life? i wonder how they'll explain it to > their parents. "mom, dad, i really need to get this off my chest. see what > happened was..." the 'rents will be shelling out the dough for massive > therepy. Knowing the way things work in Sunnydale, they probably forgot all about it a couple of weeks later. - -lawless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:27:21 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Intro and question First of all, Welcome Tracey! The Annointed One came in at the end of Never Kill A Boy On The First Date. I mean, he was shown earlier, but he wasn't identified as the Annointed One until the end. We were just discussing this... I was really yucked-out by the idea of a frightened child being made into a vampire. It must be a mother thing, though, because it didn't bother me at all when I was 13 and read Interview With A Vampire. I'm done rambling now. *Titania* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:26:30 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Scream Again/I Know What You Did Last Summer info : :> Whoa, I didn't know Lawless wrote "I Know What You Did Last Summer". : :Thanks, I actually wrote that under a pseudonym of "Kevin Williamson" :How did you guys find out? I told you I had been busy. :) : :Kevin Williamson (currently woking on Scream Again) Apparantly I missed something important... What are you guys talking about? *Titania* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:36:05 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night :hyenas in their manner, I found it odd that the zookeeper was torn to :shred by the hyenas at the end. He was possessed by that pack in :particular, I would have thought that when he fell into the pit, the :hyenas would have recognized that possesion and taken to him as one of I think that there are several possible reasons for this. A. He was trying to take the *power* of the hyenas, not be a channel for the hyenas them- selves and B. We never did understand why hyenas posses people. Maybe it's their way of getting prey of their own... And finally, let's remember that hyenas are pretty sick animals. These are creatures that will follow around pregnant animals and attack immediately after birth. they're vicious, and probably a little unstable. And the zookeeper himself ssaid that they were hungry. Sorry if that was a bit rambly, I was just tossing out suggestions. :while possessed reflected part of his true nature. His original :feelings for Buffy were magnified and drove him to act the way he did :towards her. Yet he called Willow, "pasty face" Could this reflect his :true feelings toward Willow, in a heightened sense of course. I'm not I think it just goes back to one statement, "they prey on the weak." I mean, would his true nature eat a pig? And would those students real natures attack and slaughter the principal? Or practically worship Xander? It was just being vicious. His attitude towards Buffy was different because Buffy in not weak; but Willow is, especially where Xander is concerned. As for his knowledge of Willow's feelings, that is a good point, and something that bothered me as well. One thing that I'm thinking is that he's playing not on Willow's romantic feelings, but maybe he's muddling things. He must pick up on a sort of tension between Willow and Buffy that lingers, despite their deep friendship. I think that in his mind, Willow is jealous of Buffy for coming between herself and her best friend. I must admit to being jealous of girls that my best friend has been interested in, even though I'm not in love with him or even when I've truly liked the girls and become friends with them. It's possible that's what he was playing on during the whole, "Weren't things better before Buffy came, when it was just the two of us" speech. But what do I know? *Titania* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:24:23 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Scott... help me out man. :After "The Pack" tonight it said "Angel" was being shown at a special night :and time. I know this is part of the whole "show two Buffys a week" thing, :and I know it's on Sunday night. What I don't know is what *time* it's on. : I get the WB on WPIX... could you mayhaps give me the hour? It'd be I'm not Scott, but I'm replying anyway. 8-P It actually didn't say Angel was on next week. It showed scenes from Angel (okay, the majority of the scenes were from Angel) but it showed scenes from other episodes as well. The next Buffy is The Witch, and it'll be on Sunday at the same time according to my trust VideoGuide, which just downloaded the info last night. *Tiania* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:25:34 -0500 From: "*Titania*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: David :This subject line floored me with a brilliant flash of insight. Here's a :cool idea for promotional photos or posters: how about having the actors :pose in tableaus reminscent of famous statues or paintings: David B as :Michaelangelo's David (only with a tastefully placed fig leaf of course), Uh, is anybody else getting old messages? I remember this from the first time around, and it's a repeat. This is the third today. *Titania* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: GilesWear - The Latest UnFashion Trend for Men! DON'T WANT TO STAND OUT IN ANY WAY?! Then GilesWear is for you! You will be the boringest person in your tweed coats and same colour pants, sweater vests, Butt-Ugly, Ghastly (tm - Sonja Marie & Robin White) checkered shirts that don't match anything else you are wearing, ties with strips going the wrong way or designs that are pretty (uninteresting - see also MulderWear), and scarves to add the only flair to your attire! GilesWear is excellent for Librarians/Watchers, FBI agents named Fox, and anyone else who just rather remain aloof or anonymous. See ScullyWear for the Humourless Woman on the Go! - ---- Disclaimer - This is all in good fun and is in no way meant to upset fans of Giles, Mulder or Scully, cause I love them all, just sit back, take a deep breathe and laugh! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Iocaste@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy In a message dated 97-07-08 02:52:25 EDT, you write: << Well, the article did say in a "Henry Higgins" sort of way, and Prof. Higgins was really mostly interested in *teaching* Eliza. >> Actually, I think Higgins was more interested in creating the perfect woman, as a partner for himself -- hence the title of the play, "Pygmalion." This is, I think, one reasonable interpretation of Giles's feelings towards Buffy, in fact. He Watches, and trains, and guides, all to create a woman strong enough, smart enough, and courageous enough to battle the forces of evil. In a way, he too is creating what may very well be his own fantasy. It's one way of looking at it, I suppose. Ann iocaste@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:58:51 -0700 From: Julie Fundenberger Subject: BUFFY: A1 Every time I see 'Anointed One' I have the words 'A-1 Stake Sauce' run through my head because of how people are abbreviating his name. It's evil I tell 'ya. Knightwatch willie@techline.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Ignore Little Buffy Keeperships Post Something odd has happened. I've had reports from several people that a post I sent out nearly a month ago (the infamous "Giles's disco jacket" post about Little Buffy Keeperships) has re-emerged on the lists. I did not send it out again. And not everyone has received it (I didn't receive it this time). So I figure it's just some mail gateway echo weirdness or something (or Moloch getting me back for making him into a snowman). If you receive it (Subject: "BUFFY: Keeperships of Things Little Buffy"), please ignore it, it's very old and out of date. If you don't receive it, then please just ignore this post. On behalf of the internet gods, I apologize for whatever strangeness this may have caused you. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Re: GilesWear - The Latest UnFashion Trend for Men! At 02:47 AM 7/8/97 -0400, Sonja Marie wrote: >GilesWear is excellent for Librarians/Watchers, FBI agents named Fox, and >anyone else who just rather remain aloof or anonymous. >See ScullyWear for the Humourless Woman on the Go! Buffy herself connects tweedy Giles to our favorite anti-flamboyant female FBI agent when she says to him (in 'The Pack'): "I cannot believe that you of all people are trying 'Scully' me!" It's a conspiracy of drabness! Lisa, rosita@peacenet.org Just another sucker for time-travel romantic tragedies Keeper of Buffy's Diary, Angel's Slashed T-Shirt, Giles's Stutter, and Little Master's Saber-Toothed Housecat The Little Buffy Site awaits your pleasure: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/cyberpaws/lilbuffy.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:33:39 -0700 From: Mary Subject: BUFFY: new episode? There's gonna be a new episode of BtVS? I was gone for the second half of June, and i obviously missed something. I have no idea what everyone's talking about, except that Scott said there would be a surprise coming in June. Could someone clue me in? Dawn Secretary of Willites Keeper of Angel's Window Shades Fan of BtVS Fan of Jewel Fan of Celine Dion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 05:20:28 -0400 From: nothoney@olg.com (slb) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy At 9:06 PM 7/7/97 -0500, Tina wrote: >On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 Iocaste@aol.com wrote: > >> I just want to point out that those of us in favor of a Giles/Buffy romance >> now have support in the mass media! There _is_ chemistry there! We are not >> imagining it! > >Well, the article did say in a "Henry Higgins" sort of way, and Prof. >Higgins was really mostly interested in *teaching* Eliza. > >Besides, I just can't conceive of the concept of chemistry amongst the >"illegal to group together" couple. It just doesn't work for me. > I agree with Tina; because they have "chemistry" doesn't mean they have a sexual attraction for each other. IMO, I find the idea of a romance between Buffy and her mentor to be repugnant, and illegal in all 50 states. Sheryl NotHoney@olg.com -- "Scary. I'll tell you something, though. There are a lot scarier things than you. And I'm one of them." Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- "Yeah, it's over now ..." Alice in Chains ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 05:27:33 -0400 From: nothoney@olg.com (slb) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics At 1:08 AM 7/8/97 -0700, Lawless wrote: >Ellen S. Ross wrote: >Richard "Dean" Anderson? Wow, that's great that television's beloved >MacGyver has started screenwriting. Maybe I can get him to help me with >Scream Again. :) > Sorry, not that guy. Richard Anderson played Oscar Goldman in the original "Six Million Dollar Man" series. Sheryl NotHoney@olg.com -- "Scary. I'll tell you something, though. There are a lot scarier things than you. And I'm one of them." Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- "Yeah, it's over now ..." Alice in Chains ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:54:59 -0700 From: Angel@myneighbors.com (Chiara) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dubba Dubba!!..and how do you rate your Buffys? >Anyone want to volunteer? (and has this been done before? Sounds familiar, >but I may be remembering something from another show...) Is it ok if be in charge of this? I would like to do this because I like taking surveys! Ob Buffy: If Sunnydale High made it's own school papper would the headline always be "Blaa blaa died in school"? - -Chiara- Kepper of Xander's phone Keeper of the electricity in Angel's apartment A member of Angel's Guardian Angels (AGA) A member of the Giles' Appreciation Society Panters (GASP) "To read makes our speaking English good."---Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, slb wrote: > Sorry, not that guy. Richard Anderson played Oscar Goldman in the original > "Six Million Dollar Man" series. > He also played a vampire (of sorts) in the original Kolchak: The Night Stalker movie. Joss Whedon sure has vampire connections! jb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 06:44:12 PDT From: "Holiday Golightly" Subject: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Here's my question: How was Xander chosen to be the leader of the other four. Is it because the four were preying on the weak (Lance) and Xander was overpowering them. Opinions? (yes, yes, I know the logical answer is because he's a main character, but we can do better than that.) BTW, for all you interested parties... this IS Daytripper. My other hotmail account was terminated. :) Miss Holly Golightly, Traveling The Babe Known as Xander: http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/nicholas.html "Hey! / What's that on your face there Chester? / Wipe it off / It's making me sick! / [pause...] / Wipe it off!" Brak's Poem from CARTOON PLANET _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Davignon Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Did anybody else think that? I assumed they were all equal. In what way was Xander the leader? Michael Davignon On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Holiday Golightly wrote: > > How was Xander chosen to be the leader of the other four. Is it because > the four were preying on the weak (Lance) and Xander was overpowering > them. Opinions? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Gail Celio Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Mike Davignon wrote: [re: Xander being the "Leader of the Pack"] > Did anybody else think that? I assumed they were all equal. In what way > was Xander the leader? He stared down the group as they entered the Bronze, though it could have been more of an acknowledgment that you don't mess with your fellow pack member. Xander also led the search for lunch from the hot dogs to Herbert, and initiated the hunt for Willow after he was released from the book cage. That's what gave *me* the impression, anyway. - --Gail ObBVSQ: "How terribly frustrating for you, that a bunch of school children could accomplish what you could not." - Giles, "The Pack" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:16:18 PDT From: "Holiday Golightly" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack >On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, I wrote: >> >> How was Xander chosen to be the leader of the other four. Is it because >> the four were preying on the weak (Lance) and Xander was overpowering >> them. Opinions? Mike Davignon wrote: >Did anybody else think that? I assumed they were all equal. In what way >was Xander the leader? Just guessing. He had the strongest sense of smell (finding Hot Dogs, Herbert, and Willow), when the four entered the Bronze, Xander glared at them as if to say "Not these two. Go find prey." With a nod of his head, he sent them wherever he wanted them to be. Just guessing. Holly _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:38:21 -0700 From: Tom Hawkins Subject: BUFFY: magz & Scream Ok.I had about a tyhousand requests for it so bear with me.I have the list just not the dates which I will find sometime.Also Do you how I could get a Sunday paper?Thanx!If NEbody hasn't seen scream they need to!It was great!Though while I was watching it the phone rang and nobody answered.C-ya! Twig-E Come by at: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/girliez/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:45:02 -0700 From: Kathryn Johnston Subject: BUFFY: "Read" posters and Xander's possession Hello, all! I am just back from the American Library Association's annual meeting in San Francisco. Most "READ" posters have the stars holding their favorite books. The two exceptions are "Hercules" and "Xena." They are both in character, holding scrolls, and the captions are something like "Conquer mythology." (Sorry, I did not write them down.) So, a regular publicity shot might work if the heading were simply "SLAY ILLITERACY" but if the cast wanted to plug for their most loved books, than they would need to shoot an original photograph. [It really is fun to see what each celebrity chooses to hold as their most loved book.] By the way, the "Xena" poster quickly sold out. In "The Pack," Xander managed to hold on to being human longer than the others. He could still verbalize with Willow while he was in the library book cage--the other members of the pack could only snarl at that point. Yes--Xander did call her pasty faced--a common hateful tactic for a bully is to turn a positive characteric--Willow's fair complexion in this case--into a derogatory one. Yes, he probably realizes on some level that Willow is in love with him, but he was only being insensitive (and who does not have something to cringe for in that regard) in Prophesy Girl? Kathryn the librarian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joss Whedon, Ojai and Bionics In a message dated 97-07-08 02:32:01 EDT, Ellen S. Ross wrote: << The Ojai connection strikes again. Read the following rumors about the new "Bionic" movie to be scripted by Joss Whedon at >> Geez, I thought it was just a bit of deductive reasoning on my part to come up with the Ojai area as a setting for Sunnydale. Now I'm scaring myself! OK, on to the matter at hand: a few observations about The Pack. 1) What's the deal with the cage in the library? I can't recall ever having seen that before or since this ep. Was there an explanation for it's existance? 2) I like the way Nicholas Brendon played a bad guy. I think given the proper script and project he could do an admirable job playing a similar role (possession notwithstanding) in an off season movie or something. I don't want to see Xander change however. I like the guy. 3) Does Alyson/Willow have the most enormous, beautiful, sparkling clear eyes or what? How I come I've not noticed this before? 4) I liked the way Willow confirmed in her own mind the reality of Xander's possession. It appears as though a caged Xander is taunting her, bringing her in closer until he strikes for the keys, when the reality is Willow subtly bringing Xander to the breaking point. "Now I know." --- Willow 5) That sure is one heck of a nice zoo for a "one Starbucks town". OK, you can go on the next email in your box now. Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "I ate a pig? Was it cooked and called bacon?" --- Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Vampami@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: David For some reason I too am getting several repeat message. Vamp am i@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:17:59 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: fan name In a message dated 97-07-08 09:45:57 EDT, Jacob York wrote: << Just a question but, why is this argument wasting my inbox space anyway? Do we even need a name. Do I need to have a certain name to like Buffy? I think not. >> Whoa big fella! Lighten up! It's obviously VERY important to some people or the discussion wouldn't be happening in the first place. I agree that the debate has raged long enough, that's why I've taken it upon myself (now with the assistance of other list members) to call a vote and put the topic to rest. Please email me PRIVATELY - OFF LIST - DON'T JUST HIT THE RESPOND BUTTON (that should get the point across) to PalOBuffys@aol.com with your fave from the list below: 1- Slayerytes 2- Slayerettes 3- Buffamaniacs Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "I ate a pig? Was it cooked and called bacon?" --- Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:32:07 -0400 From: Kamala Subject: Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas At 06:30 PM 6/15/97 PDT, you wrote: >Plus I would like to see a person who is half vampire and half mortal like >a hybrid, who struggles so that the Vampire inside of em won't take over. > >there already is one of these remember angel? > That would be an interesting story. Nancy A Collins has written some books on it. Her Sonia Blue Series looks at it. Very interesting story kind of the Buffy Vampire myth. Kam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:39:29 -0400 From: Anya Subject: BUFFY: SMG and Alyson in Top 20 site. Hi Everyone! I just thought I'd check to see how SMG and Alyson were doing at the "Hottest Actress of the Web Top 20" site, since it was updated yesterday from last weeks votes. We have both Good news, and bad news! Good news, Alyson moved up from 15th position to 13th! Bad news, SMG slipped from 6th to 7th! The results were as follows: 7. (6) - 35 votes Sarah Michelle Geller 13. (15) - 16 votes Alyson Hannigan If you'd like to help change this, and move these two fantastic actresses to First and Second position respectively, go vote NOW! The site's address is: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/3048/top20.html Cheers! Anya anya@interlinks.net http://users.interlinks.net/anya/slayersfiction.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:45:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, James Walsh wrote: > Plus I would like to see a person who is half vampire and half mortal like > a hybrid, who struggles so that the Vampire inside of em won't take over. > > there already is one of these remember angel? I don't know, I'd say that Angel's a vampire--just one who has a soul, and therefore a conscience and the assorted junk. He doesn't have to struggle against the "vampire" taking over, because he does have full and complete control over his actions. He's got all the characteristics of a vampire except for the soulessness aspect of it. Physically, he is a vampire, there's no doubt of that. Mentally, he has a soul, and is therefore in full control of his actions. He may face *temptation*, but that's all. I don't know if there's a way, in this show's mythos, for there to be a half-vampire. I mean, how can a demon half-possess someone? The only reason Angel's different is because he's under a "curse." Angel is a vampire, merely one that is extremely atypical of the species as a whole. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:02:16 -0500 From: Tracey Newton Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack I too got the impression that Xander was the leader of the four for the following reasons: 1) He had the superior senses (see the way he found the hot dogs at lunch time) 2) The others automatically followed him (when he led them to the pig, and when he signalled them to leave Buffy and Willow alone at the Bronze) 3) He had the superior intelligence, it seemed. The other four seemed barely able to verbalize during the confrontation with Flutie, while he could still pretend to be fully human when dealing with Willow in the library. It seems almost like he had farther to go in his de-evolution: the other four acted like a pack even before they were possessed. 4) The other four respected his decisions (they left Buffy and Willow alone). 5) He seemed stronger than the others. While they contented themselves with preying on the weaker, he pursued Buffy (though for a different reason) who is a predator herself. Almost like the other ones were tormenting gazelles while he chose to brace a lion in its den. Although, I believe that this stems from the fact that the other four were weaker in their human state as well...note the way the four of them ran as soon as they were depossessed, but Xander ran to save Willow. As for the cage in the library, I've seen something like it in my old school library, but it was used to protect old and valuble texts that some alum had donated. Granted, Giles has tons of priceless manuscripts and such, so he'd need a cage, but why was it empty? On a slightly different note, I have to stand up for the underdog (no pun intended). Hyenas are not the evil vicious creatures that this episode and popular mythology make them out to be. They have a strong family unit, to the point where the pups eat FIRST, before the adults. Lions, and other more "acceptable" predators, eat before their young, so the little ones only get the leavings. They are no more "dirty scavengers" than other predators of the plains, and have often been seen to turn up their noses at a carcass that is later taken by lions. So, though this was a great episode and though I know they needed a scapegoat from the animal kingdom, I just wanted to set the record straight on this one little note. Thanks for listening! Just my two cents...actually, you all deserve more for listening to me vent.... Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School. On that note, BTW, how clueless was the rest of the school to believe that Flutie's office was broken into by wild dogs anyway? Please!! Yeah, like they'd rather break into a school than go get the morsels out on the terrace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:09:56 -0700 From: Sean Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack > I noticed in the dodge ball scene that Xander has a necklace of some > sort on. I couldn't see specifically what was on the necklace, only > that it was circular in shape, maybe a Blessed Mary Medallion? I couldn't see it very clearly but thats probably what it was. > Another cute note about the Dodge Ball scene, notice that only Buffy has > a gym shirt with spaghetti straps? Oh yeah......that I definitely noticed. Sean skeleton@sisna.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:22:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Wien Huang and Virginia Eveland wrote: > > > Another cute note about the Dodge Ball scene, notice that only Buffy > > > has a gym shirt with spaghetti straps? > well, also, willow's the only one with a long sleeved gym shirt. and it > also looked like velour...a good fabric for going outside to play. :) I figure it's probably one of those "let's differentiate the stars from the others" things, especially if both Willow and Buffy had on different shirts from everyone else. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:34:09, -0500 From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy nothoney@olg.com (slb) wrote: >I agree with Tina; because they have "chemistry" doesn't mean they have a >sexual attraction for each other. IMO, I find the idea of a romance >between >Buffy and her mentor to be repugnant, and illegal in all 50 states. I agree, chemistry doesn't have to have anything romantic attached to it (but in american tv it usually does). However, did you mean this literally? The idea that Buffy and Giles (if they were real people) would be _illegal_ in all 50 states is just not so. I can think of several states where it would be perfectly legal. Not condoned, but not illegal. I'm not at all in favor of Buffy and Giles having a thing. It would give me the shivers. But I try to have a broader view of other cultures. Teenage girls with older men does happen all the time. And in most cultures outside of the English colonized world, there is no cultural (or legal) taboo against it. JN --- pages.prodigy.com/slayer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:37:14 -0400 (EDT) From: PepsiNext@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dubba Dubba!!..and how do you rate your Buffys? here`s my rating`s: 5=excellent 1=ok "Welcome to the Hellmouth" 5 "The Harvest" 5 "The Witch" 4 "Teacher`s Pet" 2 "Never Kill a Boy on the First Date" 3 "The Pack" 3 "Angel" 5 "I Robot, You Jane" 2 "The Puppet Show" 3 "Nightmares" 4 "Invisible Girl" 4 "Phophecy Girl" 5 <~~~this is my favorite Sorry if you don`t agree. PepsiNext@aol.com Keeper of Darla`s Dress ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 9:36:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Scott... help me out man. Since you've all asked so politely... Here is a partial schedule of upcoming Buffy episodes. This is subject to change and you should definitely check local listings... Sunday July 13th - 8pm - The Witch Monday July 14th - 9pm - I Robot, You Jane Sunday July 20th - 8pm - Nightmares Monday July 21st - 9pm - The Puppet Show Enjoy! Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:10:36 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG and Alyson in Top 20 site. hi everyone! well if we want to make either Alyson or Sarah be #1 at least once we have to get togheter and everyone vote for one person one week and for the other the next week so they can get enough votes to get closer to #1, anybody agree? imho, i think is the best way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack At 06:44 AM 7/8/97 PDT, Holiday Golightly wrote: >How was Xander chosen to be the leader of the other four. Is it because >the four were preying on the weak (Lance) and Xander was overpowering >them. Opinions? He did seem to be a leader, if not *the* leader. When they walked around he was often swaggering in front of the group at the center. This topic came up on planetx so I'll reprise my answer from there: Xander may have committed the actual "predatory act" that triggered the transference. At first we believe that it's Kyle and the others threatening to toss Lance to the hyenas that did it. But it happens right after Xander runs up, pushes them apart, frees Lance, and "gets in Kyle's face." That's when the hyena reacts and calls to them. Kyle seemed a bit startled at Xander's assertiveness in that moment. To the hyena, Xander would have seemed the alpha male. Plus, Xander acted alone against a group, demonstrating more courage than the Kyle and friends who act as a group against loners (Buffy and Lance, and as hyenas, Flutie). And Xander is clearly much quicker on the uptake than Kyle. BTW, I still get a kick out of that lingering eye contact Xander has with that one girl as he enters the Bronze. It's so interesting to watch his new animal magnetism overcome his reputation as a geek so quickly (like the thing with Jesse and Cordy). Lisa "That's when I *didn't* fall, for the Leader of the Pack (vrooom, vrooom)" - Buffy's Song ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 13:28:41 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fwd: Salon Article Buffy JOSEPH NORTHCOTT wrote: > However, did you mean this literally? The idea that Buffy and Giles (if > they were real people) would be _illegal_ in all 50 states is just not so. > I can think of several states where it would be perfectly legal. Not > condoned, but not illegal. I think the age of consent where I live is 17, therefore, Giles would have to spend some time in jail. Not to mention the fact that no matter what the age of consent he would be fired from his job as librarian, then he wouldn't have access to all those book, failing in his duty as a watcher and not being able to help research things. Getting involved with the slayer is completely unproffessional. ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #180 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". 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