From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #183 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Wednesday, July 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 183 In this issue: Re: BUFFY:Scream/I know what you did last summer info Re: BUFFY:Scream/I know what you did last summer info Re: BUFFY: Debarge (Re: live in the now...) Re: BUFFY: Alpha-Hyena Xander and the Dodgeball Scene Re: BUFFY: The Dubba dance Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Angel BUFFY: Tapes Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack Re: BUFFY: Salon Article:Giles/Buffy BUFFY: Giles/Buffy Re: BUFFY: David Re: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas Re: BUFFY: Blade The Vampire Slayer?????? Re: BUFFY: Buffy cheerleader episode Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Where did COLIN go???? BUFFY: Top 20 Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack Re: BUFFY: Everyone's Fav. Xander Line Re: BUFFY: Top 20 BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles Re: BUFFY: BtVS in OnSat BUFFY: xander,hyena-boy Re: BUFFY: Buffy cheerleader episode Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles BUFFY: Who is DeBarge? Re: BUFFY:Hyena fencing Re: BUFFY: Where did COLIN go???? BUFFY: H*LP!!!! anybody! Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Various topics Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: More Prophecy Girl(spoilers) BUFFY:next season and one more pack thing Re: BUFFY: Hit the Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 12:53:16 GMT From: flagg@wwa.com (Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY:Scream/I know what you did last summer info On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:26:16 +0100, angela4luv@juno.com (Angela Mach) wrote: >It's coming out in December this year and these are the people who are >gonna be in it: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Neve Campbell, Jada Pinkett, = Jerry >O' Connell, David Arquette, Courtney Cox, Lacey Chabert, Laurie Ummm...where did you hear that Lacey Chabert is going to be in it? I seriously doubt that, since she's off in England all summer filming "Lost in Space" Is it me, or does there seem to be an aweful lot of BtVS/Party of 5 crossovers? (SMG with Jennifer Hewitt in that other movie, SMG with Neve Campbell in Scream II, etc...) - --Flagg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Inspyral@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY:Scream/I know what you did last summer info In a message dated 97-07-09 08:18:58 EDT, you write: << I haven't gotten around to reading all my digests yet so this has probaly already been answered.I was just wondering when scream 2 is coming out in theatres?I haven't read alot about scream 2 so i don't have alot of info on it. >> Scream 2, or "Scream Again" comes out in December. ObBuffy:Is it just me, or did the fence in front of the Hyena exhibit in The Pack look kinda low? I mean, fro what I've seen on the Discovery channel, Hyenas can jump fairly well, and a 5 foot high wall shouldn't be to difficult to leap over. Well, whatever, it's not really important... Cheers, Chris >=) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Debarge (Re: live in the now...) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Sonja Marie wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Wien Huang wrote: > > darla and the guy vamp. she turns to him and says, "live in the now, you > > look like debarge!" so i thought she was comparing him to some one, but > > who? > > Well I always thought she was refereing to the group "DeBarge" from about > 10 years ago. Janet Jackson was married briefly to one of the members. I was under that impression too. Debarge is a pop-ish group from the eighties that is just about the stereotypical eighties group. Lots of fun. Definately a good listen. :) Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:47:03 -0500 From: Tracey Newton Subject: Re: BUFFY: Alpha-Hyena Xander and the Dodgeball Scene Zornof asked: > Did anyone else not get the "Shoot me. Stuff me. Mount me." Xanderism? >Could someone please explain it to me? This was when Xander was being confronted (gently) by Giles with the fact that Xander was pretending not to remember anything. Xander was totally embarassed by the things he had done, and thus he wanted to, like, just *die* (have the earth swallow him, etc.). So, Xander wanted Giles to shoot, then stuff, then mount him like a hunter would an animal as a trophy. It was just sarcasm and exaggeration, as I read it. Girlgen asked what our objection to Giles and Buffy together is based on. Here's *my* interpretation. Giles is almost acting as a father-figure for Buffy. He cares for her very much, and she for him, but as mentor to mentee. He is training and guiding her during a time when she doesn't have a strong male presence in her life, due to the fact that her father is gone. So, I would feel that she would look to him as a kind of father figure, while he in turn would take her as a sort of daughter, dealing with her confusing teenage years as well as he can. In any case, any touch of romance in that relationship would be almost incestuous and thus, icky. Chris wrote: >>Is it just me, or did the fence in front of the Hyena exhibit in The Pack look kinda low? I mean, fro what I've seen on the Discovery channel, Hyenas can jump fairly well, and a 5 foot high wall shouldn't be to difficult to leap over.<< I thought there was a five foot wall in front of a large pit, so there would be essentially a 10 foot drop or so. Be well all! tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ulysses011@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Dubba dance I was watching the end of 7th Heaven when they had show the Dubba Dance. Right after Cedric from Steve Harvey they show from the left Ryan from Unhappy Ever After and then it was Willow and then Xander. and then later Tiffany from Unhappy Ever After with Angel. Just wanted to point it out if you didn't know. or if you have tape it then watch it and see. Diana Keeper of Angel's fear of Sunlight "This is not gonna' be pretty. We're talkin' violence, strong language, adult content."-Buffy from Welcome to the H-mouth part1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack In a message dated 97-07-08 17:13:23 EDT, you write: > To the hyena, Xander would have seemed > the alpha male. I think the same too, but this is out of contex of what is known of actual hyenas. It's the female that's the leader of the pack in most 98% cases. Female hyenas are larger and more agressive than the males. It's just another reason that the public puts on the hyena as being "unnatural" creatures. On the other hand, I really enjoyed Xander being the alpha male sure wished they could have picked wolves instead of hyenas but I guess it's too close to the werewolves so they didn't. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul "I can walk like a man, but I'm not one."--Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack In a message dated 97-07-09 03:06:39 EDT, you write: > 3) He had the superior intelligence, it seemed.The other four seemed > barely able to verbalize during the confrontation with Flutie, while he > could still pretend to be fully human when dealing with Willow in the > library. It seems almost like he had farther to go in his de-evolution: > the other four acted like a pack even before they were possessed. > This is just one line more than the four allowed us so I hope the listmoms won't jump my bones for this. Another thing about hyenas and leadership...the leader of hyenas leads during the hunt yet while socializing/resting the leader moves away from the pack and stays seperate doing whatever they want to until it's time to hunt again. The pack will seek out the leader when it's time to hunt again (the zookeeper was correct when he said the other hyenas will seek out the missing members of the pack, but it actually goes a little further than that simple explanation.) It also explains why Flutie found the four together and Xander was nowhere around nearby. Leaders of hyena packs are (or have to be in necesary to survive or the other pack members will turn on him/her) more intelligent. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul "I can walk like a man, but I'm not one."--Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PepsiNext@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Did anyone notice how sluttey Darla was acting in "Angel"? She said that she likes it when he hurts her. PepsiNext@aol.com Keeper of Darla`s Clothes Keeper of Buffy`s Sunflower Poster <~~~tell me if it`s taken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ulysses011@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Tapes Does anyone have Welcome to the H-mouth part1 if you do email me at Ulysses011. and we could work somethin out. Diana Keeper of Angel's fear of Sunlight "This is not gonna' be pretty. We're talkin' violence, strong language, adult content."-Buffy from Welcome to the H-mouth part1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: PepsiNext@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack > Xander has a necklace Xander has the same necklace in "Angel". PepsiNext@aol.com Keeper of Darla`s Clothes Keeper of Buffy`s Slunflower Poster <~~~~tell me if that is taken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: PepsiNext@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack > Xander has a necklace Xander has the same necklace in "Angel". PepsiNext@aol.com Keeper of Darla`s Clothes Keeper of Buffy`s Slunflower Poster <~~~~tell me if that is taken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:08:09 +0000 From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Salon Article:Giles/Buffy > So my question is thus: is the objection to a giles/Buffy thing based on: > a) there characters would not be right together > b) it would be okay, but she's too young / Giles is too old or... > c) Eeww! Gross! Isn't that illegal? > girljen > Girljen296@aol.com I think it's A, with a bit of B mixed in. I don't think there's a basis for a serious relationship there. Buffy and Giles have very little in common, beyond the Slayer/Watcher connection. Their backgrounds, values, and interests are so different. Yes, I know that these are things that can be overcome if the people are motivated enough, but I don't think that either of them want a relationship of that kind. Buffy, as Giles so rightly said, is a creature of the now. She's young, and although being the Slayer has had a maturing effect on her, she still mostly has the attitudes, desires, and interests of a 16-year-old girl. She wants to party at the Bronze with someone her own age (or someone who looks it) and talk about the latest album from the group-of-the-week. I think she sees Giles as part father-figure, part favorite uncle, and part clueless friend who sometimes needs to be protected from himself. Giles is, what, in his early forties? While I would happily take him home (okay, so my husband would object), I think that in Buffy's eyes he's positively ancient. Giles is a mature man, who would see a relationship with Buffy as cradle-robbing. He's not really comfortable with teenagers and he has nothing but sarcastic remarks for most of their activities and enthusiasms. He is a man whose identity is very much centered around his intellect. His ideal woman would be his intellectual equal, and would value knowledge and learning as much as he does. (One reason why I think Miss C is good for him.) Somehow I just can't imagine Buffy and Giles snuggled on the sofa together at night. Giles: (book in hand, smiles tenderly at Buffy) This is one of my favourite Shakespearean sonnets. Listen-- Buffy: Giles, if you have to read to me, can't you at least pick an author who hasn't been dead for centuries? Giles: (not yet willing to give up) This is one of the greatest poems ever written in the English language. Shakespeare wrote it to his mysterious Dark Lady. Buffy: News flash, Giles. I'm a blonde. Giles: (sighs, puts book down) *That* is becoming painfully obvious. Buffy: (reaching for the remote) Well, if you don't want to go to the Bronze, let's see what's on MTV, huh? Giles: I need a drink. Where's the sherry? Anyway, that's my take on it. I want to see Giles and Miss C together. As for who Buffy should be with... I don't know. Maybe Angel would be good for her. I know they'll never settle down with a 30-year mortgage and 2.7 rug rats, but then again, I suspect most Slayers don't live to retirement age. Maybe a brief intense affair with Angel would be best for her. Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann harper@idt.net "Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams Harper's Bread Basket http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3967 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:11:56 -0700 From: Mary Walker Subject: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy In a message dated 97-07-08 17:12:57 EDT, you write: << I agree with Tina; because they have "chemistry" doesn't mean they have a sexual attraction for each other. IMO, I find the idea of a romance between Buffy and her mentor to be repugnant, and illegal in all 50 states. >> <> Actually people do object to mentor/student relationships even when the ages are similar. In the usual mentor/student relationship the power ratio is skewed in favor of the mentor and the relationship can easily become exploitive. The fact that mentor/student relationships do happen frequently doesn't make it O.K. For this reason I would not like to see Giles and Buffy's relationship go in that direction even though there's no chance Giles will ever get the upper hand in the relationship;). Which brings me to another reason why it would be a bad idea to put them together. It would undermine much of the humor of Giles and Buffy's relationship. Giles keeps trying to be the "older and wiser" mentor, but Buffy's too smart and independent. Every time he attempts to exert his authority as her "Watcher", Buffy out-manuevers him. One of my favorite scenes in the series is the little talk at the end of NKABOAFD. For once instead of simply trying to pull rank based on his age and education, Giles draws on his own life experience to give Buffy advice and for once he is "older and wiser". Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:32:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: David On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, *Titania* wrote: > Uh, is anybody else getting old messages? I remember this from the first > time around, and it's a repeat. This is the third today. It's happening to me as well. Weird. ObBuffy: I want to see more Ms. Calendar. I'd love to see her and Willow working on a computer problem together. For that matter, I want to see what happens when Ms. Calendar catches Willow hacking into something that's illegal to get into. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:30:22 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy C/ eewww, gross, is very ilegal! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:48:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: A Few Interesting (and Feasible) Fanfic Ideas On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 Spuria@aol.com wrote: > 2.) Buffy is posessed by the spirit of a former Slayer, who acts > nothing like Buffy (tries to pick up Xander, worships Cordelia's popularity, > ect.) I don't know if another Slayer would worship Cordelia's popularity. To be a Slayer (and not die within a week), I think that one needs individualism. A Slayer would need to be able to stand outside of society's dictates and break the rules on a consistient basis. Cordelia's popularity depends on following the rules. She interacts with the right people, she dresses the right way, she behaves correctly. She tells Buffy, "If you hang with me and mine, you'll be accepted right away." She also says, "Know your losers. Once you can identify them, you need to avoid them." Well, she says something extremely similar to that, at least. Cordelia knows how to behave within society's rules, and Buffy, to survive, has to break them. Since when do nice high schoolers go around with wooden stakes or with purses full of Medieval weaponry? Especially what is a woman doing running around with this--carrying a crossbow around town is way not a feminine characteristic. I don't think any Slayer, past or now, would be able to worship Cordelia's popularity and keep a straight face. I could see a past Slayer liking Cordelia, and I could see a past Slayer becoming friends with her, but I just can't see a past Slayer worshipping the concept of popularity. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: JSartin23@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Blade The Vampire Slayer?????? Blade the Vampire Slayer is a Marvel Comics hero--he's been around much longer than Buffy, and they're not even closely related. Snipes will be good in the role. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Theactriz@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy cheerleader episode is anyone the keeper of Buffy's cheerleading uniform??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:53:06 -0700 From: Matthew Hammond Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Jesse Jou wrote: > > At 4:57 PM -0400 7/8/97, PalOBuffys@aol.com wrote: > >He tells them about the Primals belief that > >hyenas learn a persons name, then call them out at night and attack them when > >they have been isolated. > This was a remarkably chilling image when they were tormenting poor Willow > in the library. I was covering my eyes and going, "Someone help that poor > girl!" (Not really, but gosh, she looked so cute in that episode...)Hell Willow/Alyson Hannigan is always cute! No mater what situation she's in you can't help but to look at her and think cute and inocent (sp)! Mind you Buffy/Sarah is more my type of gal out going and athletic I would still have to say Willow/Alyson is a hot date to! Hope Xander and Willow do get together they make for a nice couple. "It would be a shame for them not to get together more seriously at some point!" _) (_ _) \ / (_ _) \\\ /\_/\ /// (_ _) _____\\(O_O)//____ (_ )_ \(oo) _( )_===oOo==|\=oOo===_( Mhammond@yesic.com ========| \====== Reality| \is a Crutch( )for People( )Who Can't (___)Handle Science Fiction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:00:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Where did COLIN go???? On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Nicole McMahon wrote: > Oh. and one more thing. The Master Supposedly killed Buffy, right? > no teeth marks in her neck. she spit up water, She said, > "I feel strong. I feel different." saying "really, really > hungry." was Buffy, Buffy is a Vampire. I certainly have to disagree with this statement (if my snipping hasn't made it unrecognizable, that is). I don't think Buffy's a vampire for one or two reasons: first of all, if she were a vampire, she'd be possessed by the demon, and then I don't think she'd have tried to stop the Master. I mean, if she were a vampire, and *wanting* the demons back, why would she have tried to stop them from reemerging? Vampires are evil, they have no souls--if Buffy had become a vampire, she'd have become something other than the Slayer. The next Slayer would have been chosen at that point in time. Second, the show is "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," not "Buffy the Vampire." The show focuses on humans, not vampires. As to explain the water, she was dropped into it face down--if she were still alive (and that small a bite wouldn't have killed her, we've seen others survive a bite like that before: Jesse and Ms. Summers), she'd very likely still be paralyzed by the Master's hypnotism and couldn't have helped breathing in the water and drowning. The CPR forced the water out of her lungs, allowing air back in. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:58:00 -0700 From: Tom Hawkins Subject: BUFFY: Top 20 Ok.What is the address for the Top 20 site?I had it but kinda forgot after all my R&R vacation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:05:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Necklace in The Pack On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Sean wrote: > > Xander has a necklace on. I couldn't see what was on it. > > It was circular in shape, maybe a Blessed Mary Medallion? > I couldn't see it very clearly but thats probably what it was. Actually, there are a lot of necklaces that are circular and not Mary medallions. Pentacles, for one. Cabochon cut stones. Suns, moons...there are an infinite number of things (well, big number, anyway) that it could have been. It wasn't definitely a Blessed Mary medallion. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Theactriz@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Everyone's Fav. Xander Line i like when he says "i am gonna go home, lie down and listen to country music, the music of pain." - -Adriane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:42:54 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Top 20 ok, here's the address and remeber the rules everybody! so all of our votes would count ok. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/3048/top20.html i hope it works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles Are we doing this again? Sigh! Alot of replies to the idea of Buffy w/Giles has been "Eww it's Illegal" etc, but wouldn't that also make Buffy w/Angel illegal as well? Alot of you keep forgetting that Angel is older then both Giles and Buffy but don't seem to have a problem with the thought of Buffy w/Angel (except those of you, me included, who don't want Buffy with either of them). Do some math, there is 224 years seperating Buffy and Angel, and I don't care if Angel only looks 20+ that's not the point. If you are going to say the Buffy w/Giles idea is illegal, it also has to hold true for Buffy w/Angel. And as for the fact that it's wrong for a mentor and student to get a involved, what about the fact that Angel is a "VAMPIRE" albeit one with a conscience. I don't know about most of you but the idea of being with one makes me a bit nauseated. Okay enough with my ranting. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:08:52 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles i don't think she should be with angel either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:15:50 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS in OnSat HELP! i need help from anybody who can help me! i can't get the magazine onsat where i'm at and i would really apreciate if somebody could get it for me and send it to me, i would pay for everything of course, and if you like maybe we could work some sort of a trade is up to you. email me if you can help me, i really hope so, thanks alot. slayerbwcs@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:15:56, -0500 From: UQFJ91A@prodigy.com (MR MARK A WENTWORTH) Subject: BUFFY: xander,hyena-boy After the season's finale, this is my favorite episode. Again, Joss Whedon and his team have produced a motion picture quality TV program. The background music added to the brilliant cinematography (re: the slo-mo ascent up the steps to MTV-style video track). I especially liked the "Doad Patrols" hyena mannerisms. Right up there with "2001", "Cat People", and "Altered States". Poor Xander; maybe next time he'll try a Yanni CD and a bottle of Chianti. Mark in Indianapolis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:26:47 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy cheerleader episode Theactriz@aol.com wrote: > > is anyone the keeper of Buffy's cheerleading uniform??? I haven't seen that ep in awhile but didn't szhe get cut from the squad? I assume she would have had to give the uniform back, so I'm guessing she doesn't own one anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:31:15 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles Sonja Marie wrote: > Alot of replies to the idea of Buffy w/Giles has been "Eww it's Illegal" > etc, but wouldn't that also make Buffy w/Angel illegal as well? Alot of Who brought up the illegal implication? Of course you also have to realize that breaking into schools, funeral homes, the bronze, computer factories, assaulting people, cutting class, carrying a concealed weapon, and being an accessory to computer intrusion are all also crimes. Having a romantic affair with Giles is about the least harmful. Although it's probably the most disgusting. - -Lawless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:55:37 -0400 From: Anya Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Eww it's Illegal" Buffy w/Giles buffy@xmission.com wrote: > > Sonja Marie wrote: > > > Alot of replies to the idea of Buffy w/Giles has been "Eww it's Illegal" > > etc, but wouldn't that also make Buffy w/Angel illegal as well? Alot of > > Who brought up the illegal implication? Precisely that! Even if it were legal or not legal, it's a question of how would Buffy perceive Giles? As a lover? Her attraction to Pike, Angel and Owen indicates her preferences, for men/boys close to her own age. She didn't KNOW Angel's age before she became attracted to him, so the 'older man' appeal wasn't there. It would be kind of like saying that her character (from the movie) was sexually attracted to Merrick. I personally just can't see her with Giles, and it's not a case of "ewww..gross". Her character just doesn't appear to be attracted to older men in that way. An even better question is how would Giles perceive Buffy? The 'proper' British demeanor (and no one slap me for that...I'm a good Scotch immigrant! I'm using 'proper' to describe a perception, not a fact. Think of Mr. Belvedere!) gives me the impression that he would never even entertain such notions of Buffy. If Ms. Calendar could startle him with the "that's not where I dangle it" comment, a random sexual thought of Buffy (with him) would probably give him apoplexy. That's just my view on this entire thread, I can't even remember how it began, but..well, there's my thoughts on it! Cheers! - -Anya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:47:50, -0500 From: UQFJ91A@prodigy.com (MR MARK A WENTWORTH) Subject: BUFFY: Who is DeBarge? In answer tp Wien Huang's inquiry: What or who is DeBarge? Please refer to VH-1's "Big '80's" as a reference. DeBarge was a pop- singing group from the early '80's. The look was characterized by skinny ties, and sports coats with the sleeves pushed up. Brrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, Mark in Indianapolis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY:Hyena fencing In a message dated 97-07-09 12:36:44 EDT, Chris (inspyral@aol.com) wrote: << ObBuffy:Is it just me, or did the fence in front of the Hyena exhibit in The Pack look kinda low? I mean, fro what I've seen on the Discovery channel, Hyenas can jump fairly well, and a 5 foot high wall shouldn't be to difficult to leap over. Well, whatever, it's not really important... >> It's quite common for zoos to have the visitors elevated above the animal areas for better viewing. Looking out from the animal area you would be confronted by a 5 foot fence atop a 10-20 foot wall. The fences are often intended to keep the visitors out, rather than the animals in. It did in fact look as thought the hyenas were situated below the visitors floor level, and I'm going on the assumption that zooguy jumped to get to the lower portion of the fence before the hyenas got him. OK, so maybe the wall wasn't that high in this case (zoodude would have an NBA contract if it were), but I'm willing to overlook that little thing. Funny how we can all accept the vampire, she-mantis, internet demons, et al in the show, but have a difficult time with the little points like fence height! We crack me up! Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "The part that gets me though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little." --- Ms. Calendar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 16:17:23 -0700 From: Matthew Hammond Subject: Re: BUFFY: Where did COLIN go???? Tina wrote: > > > Oh. and one more thing. The Master Supposedly killed Buffy, right? > > no teeth marks in her neck. she spit up water, She said, > > "I feel strong. I feel different." saying "really, really > > hungry." was Buffy, Buffy is a Vampire. Ok if say buffy were a vamp which she's not! As I understand it vampires have no breath "acording to Angel" so even if here lungs were full of water she would be up and waliking around, and also Xander giveing here mouth to mouth "wish that I could take Xander's place" wouldn't have helped eather since vamp's don't breath. As to the "shoot me, stuff me, mount me" bit wouldn't that make him a femal blow up doll? I had one more post to remark on but can't seem to find it now so till later! _) (_ _) \ / (_ _) \\\ /\_/\ /// (_ _) _____\\(O_O)//____ (_ )_ \(oo) _( )_===oOo==|\=oOo===_( Mhammond@yesic.com ========| \====== Reality| \is a Crutch( )for People( )Who Can't (___)Handle Science Fiction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:21:41 -0500 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: H*LP!!!! anybody! From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia): hi, well i have a BIG favor to ask to anybody who can h*lp me. well i would really apreciate if somebody could buy the onsat mag and send it to me i would pay for everything of course, is because i can't buy it overhere. maybe we could work out some sort of trade? i would really really apreciate it! thanks. email me privately. slayerbwcs@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack > Was anyone else disturbed by sexual assault aspect of this? Having just watched it again ... yeah. Some of the shots were straight from every cliched date-rape scene in a movie-of-the-week. For just a moment there, it was important that Nicholas had several inches and probably 25-40 pounds on Sarah. Which made Buffy dragging Xander into the library (and "With what?' "A desk.") even funnier .... Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:23:46 PDT From: "Marie Patricos" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Various topics On July 8, Mike said: >I'll have to go back and watch my copy of "Angel" and see whether or not he's thrown out by Buffy, or forced to leave due to being dis-invited. < This was one of those BIG discussions on the posting board. I believe the final consensus was that he jumped out the window because he realized that Buffy was in no mood to listen. But, now I wonder if he had a choice (I never thought about the dis-invited aspect). Unfortunately, I think that the power to dis-invite someone would be too much of an equalizer (if and when they attacked a home). It's kind of like playing a really dangerous game of red-light/green-light. Marie _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack At 10:21 AM 7/9/97 -0400, Wolfkazzy@aol.com wrote: >...the leader of hyenas leads during the hunt yet while socializing/resting >the leader moves away from the pack and stays seperate doing whatever they >want to until it's time to hunt again It also explains why Flutie >found the four together and Xander was nowhere around nearby. Cool factoid about Hyenas that really supports the "Xander as Leader of the Pack" hypothesis, and the "Joss does his Hyena homework" (or at least guesses extremely well) hypothesis! >In a message dated 97-07-08 17:13:23 EDT, [Lisa wrote]: >> To the hyena, Xander would have seemed the alpha male. >I think the same too, but this is out of contex of what is known of actual >hyenas. It's the female that's the leader of the pack in most 98% cases. Wow, those progressive hyenas! And they did it without affirmative action! Wouldn't it have been cool to see Buffy transpossessed as the leader? (God help the town!!!) Or even better, Willow? Nobody would have known how to process the latter situation! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:33:16 PDT From: "Marie Patricos" Subject: Re: BUFFY: More Prophecy Girl(spoilers) On July 8, Lawless said: >The series is based on the movie, but it doesn't follow what happened in it.< I hope this doesn't sound to wishy-washy but I mostly agree with you. There is one thing that does clearly connect the movie with the series (other than Buffy, of course). In WttHM, Principal Flutie is commenting on Buffy's previous school experience and that she is going to be offered a clean slate here at SHS but then reads about her burning down the gym at her previous school. This happened in the movie (or at least it was leading up to it). Plus the fact that random arson doesn't make sense for Buffy's character. However, if the events in the movie didn't take place, then Buffy still had to have learned about vampires, fighting, and her history from someone before she met Giles. Basically, I think that she has some considerable Slayer-related history before she came to town. The only history that's been offered seems to lead back to the movie. But, Joss is a genius so it could 1 of 1,000 things. Marie _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:38:04 PDT From: "Lady Elendil" Subject: BUFFY:next season and one more pack thing OK, I'll start with the 'Pack' thing. I was rewatching the ep today, and Buffy almost went into the hyena house to save Lance, and then again to follow Xander. Two points on this. Just think if it had been Buffy who had gotten possessed. Think how scary that would be. Her Slayer strengths combined with the strengths of the spirit (remember when Giles sadi that they were individually almost as strong as her?) The episode would have taken a whole different turn of events. What if Buffy and Willow had made it into the hyena house. Do you think they would have gotten possessed too? I think they would have if they went after Kevin and Xander and the Pack. Where would we be then? The whole school would be eaten alive! Next item on the agenda: next season So far, we've seen an episode focusing on each of the major characters except Giles The Pack was Xander's episode IR,YJ was Willow's Invisible Girl was Cordelia's and Angel was Angel's (no kidding?) Buffy's episode's=all of them, especially WttHM, The Harvest, and NKaBotFD Well, where does that leave Giles? As far as I can tell, he's the only main character that the show hasn't focused on yet. If Joss want's to give each character an episode, which seems to be his intent, then I would say that the GASPers are in for a treat next season. Just my humble observations, Lady Elendil Proud Slayerette/Buffamaniac Member of Ms. Calendar's Techno-pagans ladyelendil@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:49:34 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Hit the At 1:23 PM -0700 7/9/97, Marie Patricos wrote: >This was one of those BIG discussions on the posting board. I believe >the final consensus was that he jumped out the window because he >realized that Buffy was in no mood to listen. Not to start this again, but I believe that the final consensus was that he was thrown out the window and that someone from the show confirmed this (Lost Boy? Joss?). Unless Marie meant "Buffy broke her foot on his butt kicking his sorry self out the window" in that understated way that she has. JJ, feeling flirty and fancy-free. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:27:15 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack > I think the same too, but this is out of contex of what is known of actual > hyenas. It's the female that's the leader of the pack in most 98% cases. > Female hyenas are larger and more agressive than the males. It's just another > reason that the public puts on the hyena as being "unnatural" creatures. you know, i think it would have been kinda cool to have willow in xander's place as alpha female. although she isn't larger or more aggressive than the other members of the pack, willow seems a little to naive or innocent. or she's just all goodness and light. her and giles, they need their darker sides revealed. just imho. Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. I broke a nail last night! Look, I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual intrest. You could go 'Hmmmm'. "--Buffy "Hmm?"--Giles, Prophecy Girl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #183 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.