From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #205 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Thursday, July 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 205 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing Re: BUFFY: Buffy and Shakespeare RE: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season BUFFY: Misc. ramblings BUFFY: Website Update - New Urls, New GASPers Re: BUFFY: Misc. ramblings BUFFY: Aaack! Do NOT read my prior post unless you want to be spoiled!!!! Re: BUFFY: Buffy and Shakespeare BUFFY: RE Spoilers Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Re: BUFFY: getting wired BUFFY: i think ym likes buffy Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season Re: BUFFY: New and Interesting Projectile Weapons Re: BUFFY: New and Interesting Projectile Weapons Re: BUFFY: i think ym likes buffy Re: BUFFY: David's goatee BUFFY: Buffy Stunts BUFFY: SMG in SCREAM II? Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing Re: BUFFY: Possible Return of the Master BUFFY: ComicCon: Joss on Actors like Characters? (No Spoilers) Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season BUFFY: Eric Balfour Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles BUFFY: Re: Buffy's clothes RE: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles > I know nothing about guns/bullets/ballistics/etc. I'll just > point that out at the start. However, don't bullets get > really really hot? Mightn't they combust, if they were made > out of a combustable material, such as wood? Probably not. As far as I know, the only part of a bullet which might get warm is the bit at the back (near where the powder is burning). Note that bullets are (mostly) made of lead, which had a very low melting point. There is a "burning" (more like "glowing") bullet - - the tracer - but this is a military-grade round usually fired from machine guns and auto-cannon. Besides - as long as there was some actual wood left - a burning bullet would be even more damaging. Vampires are hurt be fire, remember? But "bullets" imply "gun" and guns are a total no-no ... get you years of detention (and I don't mean staying after school). What I want to see is sporting equipment ... the clip-fed pistol crossbow. It exists .... Robert Huff ("Why no, Mr. Snyder, I always carry 3 boxes of pre-sharpened Dixon Ticonderoga #5s. Don't you just _hate_ it when the point breaks in the middle of an important test?") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing > . Anyway, one of the weapons she used against him was > "specially modified" hollow point bullets. Specially > modified in that she injected a holy water/garlic mixture > into the normally hollow point. For a more technical description, look up Fredrick Forsyth's _The Day of the Jackal_. (The assassin there uses mercury, not holy water, but yeah ... high ick factor.) Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:25:35 -0500 From: sah Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing The topic about what can and can't hurt vampires (wooden bullets, etc), while interesting has nothing whatsoever to do with Buffy. Remember that this isn't a general vampire list. Please remember to keep posts on topic by referring specifically to Buffy, or take it to private email. Thanks, - -sah - ---- romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack * BotCoS * Jungle Patrol * FoFoD * CartoonSharon Buffy Mailing List Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated sentence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:36:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy and Shakespeare On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Mary wrote: > I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I think Angel and Buffy > are like Romeo and Juliet. It is like they are from rivalling families, > only they are from rivalling species. I sure hope they don't die in the > end though. Oh, Goddess, not another one. They'd better not. I've seen other shows where the two main (and in love) characters have died--or almost died. It's depressing. It's dark. It's tragic. If it happens with this show, I'm going to have a conniption fit. A *big* one. I mean, the thing is, we're investing major emotional weight in this show. Buffy and Angel both know what they're doing, and they're not being tragic, they're being commonsensical. They may be in love, but they can't have a relationship. They're aware of this. I also don't think they're going to kill themselves because they can't get married. I mean, who's going to kill the vampires then? Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:59:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: RE: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Andrew Duty wrote: > Spoilers > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > > > (dont even get me started on a series finale where Buffy accidently > beheads Xander and is so grief striken that she gets the Master to stake > her). Bitter much? Ok, so am I, I'm *still* mad about that ending! Then we go and have Highlander mess up the same (ok, in a similar) way. Neither of them happened. It's *not* going to happen with Buffy. Not. Not, not, not. Uh-uh, nope, no way. Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles, Ms. Calendar, and Cordelia are (in my mind) all there to stay. All of them. No death of characters that have wormed their way into my heart. It's just not allowed. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:31:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Misc. ramblings Geez, what's with all the talk about killing off main characters. I can't remember who initially mentioned a list of whom they could handle seeing 6 feet under (I even responded) but it looks as though some people here are getting worried. For the life of me I can't see any of the main characters dying anytime soon, and that includes both Angel and Ms. Calendar. (By the way, how come David B. isn't given the same opening credit as Charisma C. when they both have recurring, though limited, roles?) Speculation is fine, but it's almost morbid when discussing which of our "friends" is going to die next season. Or even IF! Leighton mentioned wooden bullets used against vamps. I like this idea. Talk about flying fatality! It would be much easier for Buffy to carry a Glock or Baretta in her purse than a crossbow slung over her back. Those bullets would make wonderful little ballistic stakes, albeit without the coolness factor of the 'bow, but much more handy for multi-vamp encounters. Speculation of the Master's return, due to his skeleton remaining intact while lesser vamps go POOF, appears to be correct according to Joss. Makes me wonder though. If the Master was frustrated by his confinement all last season, isn't he gonna be extremely irritated now that Buffy has knocked him down a notch or two? Will he be trapped again, or now that he's out will he stay out? If the latter, how will Buffy sleep at night? If anybody has a line on the posters from the ComicCon, I'd love to know how to get one. Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper Keeper of Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle (with handlebar streamers and automated stake dispenser) "The part that gets me though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little." --- Ms. Calendar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Website Update - New Urls, New GASPers Hi all, This is rather early, since I'll be gone most of today, so better early then later :D I have added 8 more URLS to my Buffy Links Page at: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/btvsurls.html There is now 178 pages listed! They are denoted by "Just Added" There are 6 dead sites, 2 were recovered of the 8 that were there Monday. If you have a page for the show or cast members and IT IS NOT LISTED already, please send me the URLS and I will add them. I have added more New GASPers to the GASPer Home Page at: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/gaspers.html They are denoted by "NEW" There is also pictures of Anthony as "Dr. Frank-N-Furter" From a stage production of "Rocky Horror Picture Show"!!!!!! If you wish to join the GASPers aka the official Keepers of Giles' stuff, please email me PRIVATELY and I'll send you the info. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Iocaste@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Misc. ramblings In a message dated 97-07-24 11:36:20 EDT, you write: << Speculation is fine, but it's almost morbid when discussing which of our "friends" is going to die next season. Or even IF! >> The speculation comes from the fact that in an interview about the second season, ASH said something to indicate that just because you think a character is here to stay, that is not necessarily the case. Ann iocaste@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Iocaste@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Aaack! Do NOT read my prior post unless you want to be spoiled!!!! All right, a thousand apologies. My prior post, Re: BUFFY: Misc. Ramblings, contains spoilers for next season, and I forgot to indicate as much. So don't read it unless you don't mind being spoiled ... I'm so sorry!!! Ann iocaste@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:17:51 PDT From: lcowart@juno.com (Leighton R Cowart) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy and Shakespeare Tina writes: >Oh, Goddess, not another one. They'd better not. I've seen other >shows >where the two main (and in love) characters have died--or almost died. >It's depressing. It's dark. It's tragic. > >If it happens with this show, I'm going to have a conniption fit. A >*big* >one. When you think about it, the show would have to end at that point. I mean, what would you call the new Slayer-less show? "Xander, Friend of the Ghost of Buffy the ex-Vampire Slayer?" Why do I think not... Leighton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:27:00 -0700 From: Matthew Hammond Subject: BUFFY: RE Spoilers Who started this whole spoilers thing anyways! It's waisting my paper from my e-mail printout's. I don't see the point of puting it in! obbuffy:Has Buffy ever used a pay phone on the show to check her pager or has her pager even beeped on the show? - -- Mhammond@yesic.com Keeper of Buffy's Quick Thinking and Ingenuity..........Matthew Hammond "Reality is a Crutch for People Who Can't Handle Science Fiction" Finaly my own page at http://www.angelfire.com/ca/estefazpage/index.html P.S. My picture is on my page! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:26:38 EDT From: tala.wolf@juno.com (Coral A Peterson) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Mike said: (minor snippage done) >Cordelia refers to the Slayerettes as a "social leper colony." >She's beginning to see the coolness of Buffy et al, but can't bring herself >to admit it to her friends, and maybe not even to herself, yet. Well, if we all remember the last ep, Cordelia's fave guy was killed by vampires. He was probably more important to her than her so-called friends. This was probably the major turning point for Cordelia, who proceeded to help the gang out by driving the getaway car, biting a vampire, and all around kicking some major butt (Yeah!). Now that Cordelia has been majorly exposed to this strange world that coincides with her self centered one (As if she didn't take the hint in 'Invisible Girl'), she can either A) go into major denial B) Join the Slayerettes C) still keep up her social status, but help out the gang in a secretive way or D) None of the above. I can't wait to see what happens. Tala tala.wolf@juno.com "See how you like it." Cordy, after biting a vampires hand in 'Prophecy Girl' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Inspyral@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: getting wired In a message dated 97-07-23 19:09:31 EDT, PalOBuffys@aol.com writes: << ObBuffy: Someone recently asked me a question off line and it got me wondering. With all the punches Buffy takes, how come we never see her looking bruised and battered? Self healing powers of the Slayer, or do we just let it go and enjoy the show? Mike >> I would think that since the slayer does have a certain number of powers(super human strength, etc.), healing could be one of them. Remember in IR, YJ when Dave was trying to electrocute Buffy, and she went flying out of the showers? Later, in the library, Giles said something like: "Thank god you were only grounded for a moment. Still, if you had been anyone, but ths slayer, you'd be dead." (don't quote me on this). The only other time I recall Buffy taking any "battle damage" was in Prophecy Girl, when she fights The Master on the roof. After she says somthing like:"save the hypnosis crap for the tourists", they fight, and The Master her scratches her chest(kinda like Bruce Lee, in "Enter the Dragon", don't u think?). Or, of course, I *could* just be full of shite(brit word), and we could just be dismissing it as one of those qwerks that make the show so intruiging. But honestly, I think it would make me sad(I simcerely mean this...I'm not just tryin to be a "sensitive dood" er nothin) to see Buffy/SMG all bruised up and stuff. Speaking of which, I hope she doesn't get killed off in Scream 2... whoa...that was pretty long... Cheers, Chris >=) "I may be dead, but I'm still pretty...which is more than I can say for you."--Buffy from Prophecy Girl. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:02:21 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: BUFFY: i think ym likes buffy well most everyone knows about what was in the ym w/ the spice girls on the cover, but i haven't heard anyone mention this. i was reading my ym love special last night and there's this itt-bitty section called celeb date dish. celeb date dish staying gorgeous can be tough--especially on a date. here's what these stars stash to look hot all nigh long. (and there are a couple other people) buffy the vampire slayer's sarah michelle gellar packs binaca spray, sugarless gum, and vamilla lip balm. for her, superfresh breath and totally smoochable lips are where it's at. and then there's the pic of buffy leaning against her locker with the blue shirt, and the blue eyeshadow, and the blue satiny skirt---except it's just a head shot. ym's discovered buffy, but they seem to be ignoring angel and xander! it's either in ym or teen there's a section on "worthy crush material" they have barry watson from 7th heaven! he plays the oldest brother. can we say "ick"?! and also the guy from from the chef boyardee ravioli commercials. the one that always says, "mmmm, beefy" eww eww EWW! Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Xander, would you like to help me finish?" --Willow "What, are you kidding?"--Xander "Yes, it was a joke I made up." --Willow, I Robot, You Jane, BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:09:19 +0100 From: Alex Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) Coral A Peterson wrote: > Well, if we all remember the last ep, Cordelia's fave guy was killed > by vampires. He was probably more important to her than her so-called > friends. This was probably the major turning point for Cordelia, who > proceeded to help the gang out by driving the getaway car, biting a > vampire, and all around kicking some major butt (Yeah!). Now that > Cordelia has been majorly exposed to this strange world that coincides > with her self centered one (As if she didn't take the hint in 'Invisible > Girl'), she can either > A) go into major denial The most probable of happenings. Cordelia has already shown she can't remeber jack when it comes to the Supernatural. Just look at her reaction to the pilot. She ended up thinking it was a gang-war or something. It completely slipped her feeble mind that she saw three people bitten and drained by undead vampires. > B) Join the Slayerettes NOOO! This one I do _not_ want to see happen. The Slayerettes are complicated enuf, they don't need a brain-dead member to join there group. > C) still keep up her social status, but help out the gang in a secretive way This I think would work the best if Cordy remebers what happened in PG. But how would she be useful? Probably information baout the schools students. Being popular means you can get almost anything. > or D) None of the above. I can't wait to see what happens. > Tala > tala.wolf@juno.com > "See how you like it." Cordy, after biting a vampires hand in 'Prophecy > Girl' - -ALEX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Letondu@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season In a message dated 97-07-24 15:10:48 EDT, you write: > Does anyone else here agree that if any of the main characters were taken out, > the show would totally fail? I don't know about the rest of the list, but I > wouldn't be able to watch it. > Why? No one had any problems with the massive changes from the movie. Including Buffy getting shorter, younger and more intelligent. As long as the main character stays true, relatively, the rest are window dressing. After all, Giles is her second Watcher. Napoleon letondu@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:30:21 -0700 From: Mark Safransky Subject: Re: BUFFY: New and Interesting Projectile Weapons Just to throw in my $0.02, In the novel "The Holmes-Dracula File" by Fred Saberhagen, Holmes has the blind gunsmith (mentioned in the "Return of Sherlock Holmes" by Arthur Conan Doyle) make up some wooden bullets for himself and Watson. In a climatic scene, Dracula turns away from them in disdain to take his trunk when Holmes fires into his arm. Dracula hisses in pain and then says, "Congratulations on thinking of wooden bullets, I had begun to think all Englishmen were dullards." Just goes to show, if Sherlock Holmes can think of it, I think Giles could too. Besides, I mentioned it in "The Slayer Files" in a comment by Mulder to Giles. One of the suppositions Holmes made was the use of a very dense wood and commented that the range was very short when he gave them to Watson. Any comments? Mark aka The X-Lander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:46 +0100 From: Alex Subject: Re: BUFFY: New and Interesting Projectile Weapons New and interesting Vampire Slaying weapons huh? Wow, I never thought playing V:tM with an insane storyteller would pay off. 1) Bokenn (sp?) are long wooden swords shaped like a katana. Imagine the Buffy Ball bounceing around with a sharpened version of this. Ohhhhh... images... 2) Small shrapenel bombs that fire off wood bits. Hopefully one would land. 3) I saw this in the movie From Dusk till Dawn. What about ingraveing a bullett with a cross, and blessing it. If it is considered a holy object, once lodged in some vamps adobmen it's sure to cause some discomfot. Mark Safransky wrote: > Besides, I mentioned it in "The Slayer Files" in a comment > by Mulder to Giles. > Mark aka The X-Lander Speaking of 'The Slayer Files' when are we going to get a new section?!? - -ALEX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:10:42 -0700 From: Sage Subject: Re: BUFFY: i think ym likes buffy > i was reading my ym love > special last night and there's this itt-bitty section called celeb > date dish. > Which one was it? I'd like to go get it if/when it comes out... Thanks, SAGE mailto:sbusse@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:30:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: David's goatee On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, C Qin wrote: > ObBuffy: I'm just wondering in IRYJ, how the lowly Macintosh on Giles desk > suddenly turned into a TV-quality display when Buffy tried to delete > Moloch and he showed himself on the monitor. Well, you know, if you're a demon on the internet, then I suppose you can do anything. Maybe he used magick to enhance the picture quality? Ok, I'm way reaching, but I'm an FK fan, I can rationalize anything. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:11:10 -0400 From: Kristy Garvey Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Stunts I was just wondering, does SMG do her own stunts and fight scenes and all those flips and stuff?? Or does someone else do it for her?? Kristy G. *Keeper of Angel's Biting Wit* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Xainith@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: SMG in SCREAM II? Cool she's gona be in Scream 2 I hope she dosnt get killed off wihtout a fight or it would be nice if sh dosnt get killed at all. Scream 2 is gona be worth seeing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:56:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vamp Healing On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Zornof wrote: > I think the time it takes to heal depends on how big the gash is. So a huge > slash from a fork-hand would take longer to heal than a tiny bullet hole. That would make sense, actually. Yep, I'd have to agree with that one. > Which brings up an interesting question. Does the bullet stay inside or > does Angel have to remove it? Does it really affect the healing process? > Does anyone care? Should I stop now? I WANT ANSWERS! Well, I don't know if we're ever going to get that answer, really. It's one of those weird things that will likely never be addressed in canon. However, I suppose the bullet could have entered and exited his body--after all, we don't know what type of bullets that Darla used, it's entirely possible (and I know next to nothing about guns, so if there's an expert here who can confirm or deny this) that the bullet passed right through him and into the wall. > While we're on the subject of vampire penetrating bullets, would bullets > soaked in Holy Water do anything to a vamp? Internal burning? Nothing at > all? I really want to see more guns a la John Woo, especially after Face/Off. I'm doubting that soaking a bullet in holy water would do a thing, actually. No matter how long you soak them, you're not going to saturate them, as bullets aren't porous. There might be a thin coating of holy water on the bullet, but I think even that would be burned off as the gun was fired (again, if there's an expert here, I would welcome hearing facts about water being burned off). Besides, guns won't do much against vampires. It's like Buffy said, "And they'd only come with guns." Metal does nothing to harm the undead (unless it's an axe or a sword being used for beheading). Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:04:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Possible Return of the Master spoiler space following... Whee... Let's not give anything away to those who don't want to be spoiled... On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Okoniewski, Debbi wrote: > Hey, Lisa I'm with you. I have a feeling that the Master isn't > permanently gone either. I thought it was really interesting at the end > of "Prophecy Girl" that the Master's skeleton remained. Well, it's entirely possible that more stringent measures needed to be taken to be fully rid of the Master. Joss seems to be harkening back to the original vampire folklore. In that case, there are several precautions that need to be taken with the corpse of a vampire. First, the mouth must be stuffed with garlic and the head severed from the body. Then the heart, if it remains, must be cut out (usually the impaling is done with a certain kind of wood, mostly rowan or ash, though I'd have to check my books to be certain). The heart must be burned, and then the ashes scattered in a stream of running water. The body must be dismembered (grisly much) and then burned, the ashes also scattered in a stream of running water. The wood must remain in the heart, might I add, and be burned with the heart. Also, if the body crumbles into dust, any and all ashes ought to be scattered or left for the sunlight to fall upon. So far as I remember, that's the full and proper folkloric method for getting rid of a vampire for good (when there's still a body left to get rid of that is). Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: ComicCon: Joss on Actors like Characters? (No Spoilers) Another funny little anecdote from ComicCon I'd forgotten until now: Someone asked Joss if the actors on the show were at all like the characters they portray onscreen. Joss responded to the effect that most the actors on the show do embody some of the more positive aspects of their characters in real life too. (I don't recall if he gave specific examples of this, but Nick's quick wisecracking, and Alyson's charismatic shyness came to *my* mind). He qualified this by pointing out that Tony (Giles) is not at all stuffy in real life. And that Charisma has perhaps the greatest stretch of all in playing Cordelia because Charisma is actually a very nice person. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Lee Daley wrote: > It would work, rubber bullets have been used for riot control for a long > time. Since the density of wood is rather low, range would be rather > short (think about throwing a baseball, and a Nerf baseball). They might work, but we don't know how much wood is required to slay a vampire. It could be that a stake of some sort is the only thing that will work. It's entirely possible that a certain percentage of the heart needs to be pierced with wood to cause a vampire to disintegrate. > The wood could be partially encased in lead, giving a servicable range > of say 1-200 yds. Certainly cheaper than silver bullets (and we don't > know if they work in the buffyverse). At least one scene with Buffy > with two guns blazing (and cowboy boots) would be a hoot. Hmmm...something tells me that cowboy boots are just not within the realm of Buffy's fashion choices. Anyway, the logistics of getting such bullets as you describe are really picky, as who is going to look kindly on Buffy and the Slayerettes trying to order such bullets. Not only that, when you stake a vampire, the only evidence left to prove that there was a human-like creature there is a bit of dust (not much at all, really, in the way of evidence of a murder). If there are suddenly wooden bullets all around Sunnydale, and Buffy and Co. have been buying them (though a rather memorable special order, might I add), then the police might just start wondering. Not only that, but what if Buffy hits a bystander? A stake is pretty much guaranteed to *not* take out any civilians, but what happens when she hits a random person out walking their dog at night? Also, those bullets are expensive, and Buffy, Willow, and Xander don't have much money, and Giles is living off a teacher's salary. Not much left over to order special bullets. They also can't make them, they don't have the facilities, and it's tough (and expensive) to get a metal-smelting furnace installed in your basement. Besides, isn't it illegal to have a gun under the age of 18? I shudder to think what would happen if Ms. Summers found a gun in Buffy's room, or if Principal Snyder found one in her locker. Goodbye high school, hello juvenile detention center! Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:47:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Alex wrote: Re: Cordelia in next season > > A) go into major denial...probable...Cordelia has already shown she > can't remeber jack about the Supernatural. Just look at her > reaction to the pilot. She ended up thinking it was a gang-war or > something. It completely slipped her feeble mind... Ok, I'm sorry, but Cordelia's mind is anything but feeble. She uses the word "hyperbole" in "The Witch," showing that she's intelligent enough to learn, understand, and use a term that many people don't quite get. She knows enough to get help with a paper from Ms. Miller. Most people in high school don't write decent papers, and Cordelia did have an understanding of the topic, she just didn't know how to get it all down on paper. She's not an intellectual nonentity, she's just different from Buffy and Co. Also, the misremembering of events related to the supernatural is a rather common event in Buffy's universe. Remember the pilot? Xander: "See, here's where I have a problem: we're talking about vampires. We're having a conversation with vampires in it." Buffy: "Those weren't vampires. Those were guys in serious need of a facial. Or maybe they had rabies. And that turning into dust? Just a trick of the light. That's what I said the first time I saw vampires. At least, after I was done screaming." Cordelia didn't have the advantage of being around Buffy and constantly having her belief in the supernatural reinforced. It's also a semi well-known fact that humans, when unsure about a memory, create memories to fill the gap. Not always, but when there's something that doesn't fit with an accepted schema (and how often are vampires accepted in people's worldviews?), then there's gonna be some sort of coping mechanism for dealing with that. > > B) Join the Slayerettes > NOOO! This one I do _not_ want to see happen. The Slayerettes are > complicated enuf, they don't need a brain-dead member to join there > group. I think that Cordelia would work well with Buffy and Co., as long as she and Xander don't snipe at each other. Willow and Cordelia were holding a conversation in "Prophecy Girl" and it was just ordinary girl talk. They get along, but Cordelia's concerned with her popularity so that she doesn't have to be alone. And, as mentioned above, Cordelia is most definitely not brain-dead. > > C) still keep up her social status, but help out the gang in a secretive way > This I think would work the best if Cordy remebers what happened in PG. > But how would she be useful? Probably information baout the schools > students. Being popular means you can get almost anything. She can think on her feet, she has the guts to actually bite a vampire, and she had the courage to hold the front door against hordes of the undead. I think there's a lot that she can do--and I highly doubt that she'll misremember those events. The events in "Welcome to the Hellmouth" and "The Harvest" were ambiguous enough that some mental restructuring could occur, but the events in "Prophecy Girl" were pretty clear cut. Besides, Cordelia's been leading up to this since the beginning of the series, imo. She's seen the vampires in the premiere, she heard Xander chastising Buffy for loving a vampire in "Angel" (and his coverup was *so* lame there), and she saw Marcie (sort of). She really more saw Marcie waving around a scalpel. That cut was definitely real. Joss, imo, has been leading up to Cordelia coming to a full acceptance of the events of the season. I don't think Cordelia's going to utterly embrace the Slayerette's right away. She's been popular for so long that leaving that sort of situation is difficult. It's a change, and I highly doubt she's ready to make such a life-threatening commitment right away. I think she'll slowly work her way into more involvement with Buffy and Co. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:49:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 Letondu@aol.com wrote: We should put some spoiler space in here just in case... > Why? No one had any problems with the massive changes from the movie. > Including Buffy getting shorter, younger and more intelligent. As long as > the main character stays true, relatively, the rest are window dressing. > After all, Giles is her second Watcher. However, I do think many of us expected the movie to be different from the show. After all, they're two different series, despite the fact that there's only one writer. To change the premise of the show that we've all watched and loved (with characters we've watched and loved) would be something that I don't think many of us, from the way we've been talking, would like to deal with. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Iocaste@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's kicking butt (was re. meaning of names) In a message dated 97-07-24 18:37:07 EDT, you write: << This was probably the major turning point for Cordelia, who proceeded to help the gang out by driving the getaway car, biting a vampire, and all around kicking some major butt (Yeah!). >> I don't know that we can take anything Cordelia did in Prophecy Girl as indicative of a future direction for her personality. After all, it _was_ the Apocalypse, and strange things were happening generally. Remember her conversation with her boyfriend at the beginning of the episode? She asks him why he is so sweet, and he tells her he's usually as mean as a snake. And later, she finds herself surprisingly unbothered by his flaking on her. One could claim that all of this was due to true love, but I think it's also possible that her sudden "goodness" came from a "lion will lie down with the lamb"/end of the world type thing, right up there with the cat giving birth to snakes. You know, something along the lines of, "We know the Apocalypse is coming if Cordelia has suddenly become gracious." So it's entirely possible that next season, we'll have the same old obnoxious Cordy. Ann iocaste@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:05:45 -0600 From: LeMont Subject: Re: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season Spoiler Space Follows: 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] 8] Maybe it could be a non MAJOR player. Angel is well liked among the fans and puts in quite a few appearances with crucial info. So maybe it could be him as well. Just a though, and my first post... had to get in there somewhere. Lemont ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Angel8898@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Eric Balfour Eric Balfour played Jesse in the Harvest and I was wondering if anyone's heard about anything else he's planning on doing... Thanks a bunch ~Tina~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: New and interesting projectiles In a message dated 97-07-24 19:02:56 EDT, LeeD wrote: << At least one scene with Buffy with two guns blazing (and cowboy boots) would be a hoot. >> Oh, yeah! How about Xander in an Antonio Banderas dive and roll, two guns blazing, Desperado kinda thing? Can you see Willow shooting at a vamp? Wincing at the recoil of the gun, until she begins to feel the power. Her confidence is already growing, and she could up being a real force to reckon with. What fun! Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper Keeper of Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle (with handlebar streamers and automated stake dispenser) Giles: "Why should someone want to harm Cordelia?" Willow: "Maybe because they met her? Did I say that?" --- The Witch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tom Subject: BUFFY: Re: Buffy's clothes Hey all, I was talking to my friend and he said that there is a site which talks about where TV shows get clothes for actors. He said that Buffy was one of the shows mentioned. Check it out. http://www.eonline.com/Hot/Features/Fashion/index.html See y'all later. Jasers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew Duty) Subject: RE: BUFFY: ASH's "Wicked Things" Qoute..SPOILERS for Next Season >> Spoilers >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> V >> > >> (dont even get me started on a series finale where Buffy accidently >> beheads Xander and is so grief striken that she gets the Master to stake >> her). > >Bitter much? Ok, so am I, I'm *still* mad about that ending! > Well maybe Im not as over it as I thought I was, sometimes a little of it leaks out. Anyway as this relates to Buffy, I have one simple standard with the shows I like. As long as I feel better when its over than I do when I start watching, Im totally behind the show. When it gets to a point where every episode feels like a kick to the groin then its time for me to move on. Actually I had about given up on television before buffy came on. In a way part of it was due to Highlander and the fact that Xander was so much like Richie that it was like the character was never killed. I fixated on the character for awhile then discovered how much I truely liked the rest of the cast. Buffy is the only show I have ever watched where I dont feel like it could be improved (even though it does get better). Every episode I couldnt picture being done any other way. With all the other programs I have ever watched there was always something lacking or something I wished they had done. Buffy is the first show I have ever seen that is this perfect. I love shows that deal with big issues like redemption, good vs evil, destiny, the lines between good and evil, and even some of the romantic aspects. At the same time most shows that do this get so morbidly depressing that it just isnt very enjoyable for me. Buffy is different, you are scared then you are falling down laughing, it can be humorous without seeming forced and at the same time very real. The only thing I have ever seen that so delightfully surprised me was the movie Scream (cant tell you how happy I am that SMG will be in the sequel). Now as for the characters and who could die. Ive seen alot of the behind the doors hollywood stuff and it can really ruin a show for some people. A perfect example of this is the bomb that just detonated over on the Babylon 5 boards. Characters leave for alot of reasons sometimes nice and sometimes petty. The thing I have noticed is that Nick and Alyson are really going out of their way promoting the show. They seem to have a great relationship with Joss and they seem to actually be friends (the go to the movies eat pizza with each other type). I also think from what I have seen in season one that Joss's main concern is to entertain the viewers and I think he has a better grasp on giving the viewers what they want to see than just about anyone I can think of off the top of my head. From the things Ive seen him say I dont see him killing the fan favorites just to show he has the guts to do it but it could come to that point for any reason. As soon as it gets to a point where it isnt enjoyable anymore than I will stop watching, simple as that. As for the post that the show is about Buffy and all the other characters can be sacrificed. A fatal flaw of many shows is that they focus so much on the main "title" character that the other characters become one dimensional set pieces to be moved around or sacrificed to move the title character forward. The trouble with that is that eventually the character becomes stale and boring and with out interesting support characters you lose alot of interest and virtually eliminate the fans that would have stayed with the show through interest in their favorite character. The supporting characters in Buffy are fully 3 dimensional they get to be the hero sometimes, they sometimes even save Buffy's life, they have relationships with each other and Buffy isnt the glue that holds them all together. That is what I think is the most brilliant thing Joss has accomplished he has created a strong central character that doesnt eclipse everyone else on the show. It also strengthens the character of Buffy. As this list has shown there are various camps that have their favorite character, mine is Xander. If he or Willow was killed off it would no longer be the show that got me hooked in the first place. I love Buffy but if it just became the Buffy show and the monster of the week then it wouldnt be the same. Thats the long and short of my thoughts on the subject. Again, I have all the faith in the world in Joss and Im sure he would never turn it in to that type of show but for the sake of argument and the question that was put out, yeah I would leave. Andrew ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #205 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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