From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #249 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Tuesday, August 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 249 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Buffy fanfic is in the news! Re: BUFFY: Re: Training the Slayer Re: BUFFY: Appearances Re: BUFFY: Appearances Re: BUFFY: Re: Training the Slayer BUFFY: !!!!!NEW BUFFY PAGE!!!!! Re: BUFFY: From Vampire to Human (was "Angel") Re: BUFFY: Buffy Book & Possible Spoiler Re: BUFFY: Only 12 new episodes of Buffy next season? Re: BUFFY: Whatever happened to Amy...? BUFFY: Snyder vs. Flutie: Who's Cooler? BUFFY: TV Guide, Issue with Buffy on the cover Re: BUFFY: Training the Slayer Re: BUFFY: Thoughts on buffy Re: BUFFY: Soundtrack Re: BUFFY: Snyder vs. Flutie: Who's Cooler? BUFFY: Questions Re: BUFFY: Soundtrack Re: BUFFY: Questions Re: BUFFY: Vampires? Re: BUFFY: Questions BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Re: BUFFY: TV Guide, Issue with Buffy on the cover Re: BUFFY: Questions BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #247 BUFFY: The Pack BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Training the Slayer Re: BUFFY: Xanderdu (Was: Angel) Re: BUFFY: Buffy fanfic is in the news! Re: BUFFY: Xander knows about Willow BUFFY: soundtrack/pack/The Xander Re: BUFFY: The Pack BUFFY: My earlier message Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper BUFFY: Buffy Halloween Book Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:26:13 EDT From: girljen@juno.com (Jennifer L. Scorpio) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy fanfic is in the news! On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Betsy Vera writes: >On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Betsy Vera wrote: If anyone wants me to e-mail them >the >article, let me know OFF-LIST. Could you please email me the article. Thanks! girljen *keeper of Xander's Toga* *keeper of Angel's statue* girljen@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:28:29 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Training the Slayer At 10:41 PM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >My guess is that there is a small Watcher organization, perhaps called >something else, since "Watcher" seems more like a title. There can't be >too many, since there is only one slayer at any one time. More likely to >be several families whose descendents must take the responsibility of it >if passed to them. I believe in the movie, any maybe even sometime in the show (correct me if I'm wrong people), there was mention of the Watcher "Council" that made decisions up at the top, communicating with Watchers about Slayer matters. It had completely escaped my mind until now, and I thank you, Peter, for refreshing my memory. This may, also, answer the que about whether or not Buffy was trained by a previous Watcher, who did not necessarily have to be a member of Giles' family. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:36:41 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Appearances At 09:20 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Does anyone knwo of any appearances the Buffy gang will be making sometime in >>the near future? > >There is Charisma Carpenter at Great America on Aug. 23 and David Boreanaz >and Anthony Head at the American Cancer thing on Oct. 18. > For information on the Great America shindig, email Lisa Rose (cybrpaws@wco.com) or myself (cheysuli@taligent.com). We're arranging a BABS (Bay Area Buffy Society) group event for Saturday. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Thu Ngo Subject: Re: BUFFY: Appearances For those of you who are going to see Charisma at GA on the 23rd, could you tell me what time, and where exactly? I might be able to make it. === "Blow me away, see if I care..." Thu Ngo You can reach me at: Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't. - -- Erica Jong - ---"Christopher B. Castro" wrote: > > At 09:20 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>Does anyone knwo of any appearances the Buffy gang will be making sometime in > >>the near future? > > > >There is Charisma Carpenter at Great America on Aug. 23 and David Boreanaz > >and Anthony Head at the American Cancer thing on Oct. 18. > > > > For information on the Great America shindig, email Lisa Rose > (cybrpaws@wco.com) or myself (cheysuli@taligent.com). We're arranging a BABS > (Bay Area Buffy Society) group event for Saturday. > > }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** > ========================================================================= > "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are > brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran > close behind them and covered their footprints." > > -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" > > > _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:49:36 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Training the Slayer >But the Master used mind control to immobilize her. None of the other >vampires have that kind of power (we don't know about Colin, yet). So the >Master didn't exactly "clean her clock" fairly. No amount of fight >training would've saved her. > Which is somewhat true, of course, since she was destined to die in the first place, and *did*. She came back stronger, however, and somehow expressed immunity to the Master's charms. This is a nice parallel to the movie, in which Buffy was immune to Lothos' charms once she realized what he was doing to her (of course it took a little help from a clue of Merrick's). I believe the reason Buffy wasn't able to defeat the Master initially, if one accounts for her failure only due to the hypnotic powers of the Master, was because she was not prepared for his psychic ability. Up until then, Buffy had only slain vampires who had engaged her on a physical level, and here the Master was using something entirely alien to her. If she'd experienced such powers before, and learned how to ignore or redirect them, Buffy would not have been in nearly as much trouble, and may not have died. After all, the Harvest prophecy was defused, so the one concerning her death could have been as well. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:59:11 -0400 From: Kristy Garvey Subject: BUFFY: !!!!!NEW BUFFY PAGE!!!!! HI!!!!!!!! I just got up my Buffy page last nigh, and I would REALLY like it if you would go and look at it!! There are some mistakes, that will be fixed soon, but please go look anyway!! I think it's actually pretty good! Well, here's the Addy!!!!!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/2724 Well, PLEASE e-mail me and tell me what you think!! I'm outy!!! Kristy G. *Keeper of Angel's Biting Wit* *Keeper of Angel's Birth Certificate* *Keeper of Buffy's secrets* http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/2724 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:53:40 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: From Vampire to Human (was "Angel") At 01:55 PM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >wouldn't Angel be transformed back to normal? Maybe I am wrong....Maybe >not...But can someone feed some info on this? Also let's not try to make this >in to a Global Debate such as Angel's reflection. One that has carried on and >on.....Maybe it is true maybe not...But that is the way Joss made it and how >it will stay in the Buffyverse. I think you've answered your own question, here. Personally, I'd not heard of this piece of vampire lore before, but I do remember it from The Lost Boys. However, it is readily apparent that when a person in the Buffyverse is changed into a vampire, the human being is dead. Their body is only a receptacle for the demon within. Xander wasn't looking at Jesse, as Giles put it, but rather, was "looking at the thing that killed him". }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:13:04 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Book & Possible Spoiler >I called 3 stores to find it. B. Dalton told me it wasn't out yet. Media >Play told me they had one copy, but had pulled it and were not going to >restock it (I tried to get an explanation on this, but the person I spoke >with was an idiot!!!). Little Professor had 1 copy. > I ordered "The Harvest" as well as "Halloween Rain" from arizona.com. It was cheaper, at first, but the shipping charges added enough to equal it out. However, they were still readily available, so I didn't mind. Arizona books is a very reliable service and very conveniently on the web. I recommend checking it out. http://www.arizona.com/ }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:25:34 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Only 12 new episodes of Buffy next season? >The new season of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER premieres on the WB! >network on September 15th at 9pm, though ANDY MANGEL'S HOLLYWOOD >HEROES reports the WB has only ordered 12 episodes for the season. >http://smash.mgz.com/amhh/amhh.html I've got a question. Where exactly on the site did you see it say this? I looked over the site, and the only mention of 12 eps was a reference to last season. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:27:47 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Whatever happened to Amy...? >Even though the Pack remembers they >ate him, I don't think anyone besides them and Buffy, Willow and Xander >and Giles know. They may be a bit messed up, but they were in the first >place, and I don't think they would tell anyone. > >Beth > I'm not so sure about this, myself. The members of the Pack may have seemed like tough cookies, even when they weren't hyenas, but unless they were cannibalistic by nature already (some very strange teenagers), then I'd have to believe that after their possession they'd be more than just a "bit messed up" as you've put it. I'd say nightmares for about, oh, a century..? }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:59:36 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Snyder vs. Flutie: Who's Cooler? FLUTIE: PRO: Seemed like a nice guy. Touching speech in "The Pack" about how each generation thinks later ones have no values. Cute with that little pig. CON: May have been rather self-involved (whose picture was on his desk anyway?). The niceness was a facade. Too many "Principal Sensitivity" training sessions for him. He could talk the talk, but not walk the walk. For example: He rips up Buffy's record saying it doesn't matter, but tapes it back together when he suspects it does. He tells Buffy the students are free to call him by his first name, but warns her that nobody ever does. And he offers that she can come by for a hug, but quickly adds that it won't be a real hug because there can be no "wrongful touching." SNYDER: CON: (Where do we start?) This guy is a relic, unthawed from an ice floe. They haven't made principals like him in years. He missed all of Flutie's sensitivity training sessions. He longs for the days when a good stiff paddle was the best way to keep students in line ("You want sensitive? Your rear end will be plenty sensitive!") And he would return to those days in a heartbeat, were it not for the lawsuits. PRO: No image management here. He lays his cards right on the table. What you see is what you get. (and what you see makes Prince Charles look like Vincent Van Gogh!). Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:16:56 -0400 From: sabbath@icanect.net Subject: BUFFY: TV Guide, Issue with Buffy on the cover Hi everybody, Could somebody do me a huge favor and tell what is the number of TV Guide so I can call to see if they can send me the issue of TV Guide with Buffy on it, I know I would be calling for a back issue so can anybody tell me what dates that TV Guide was for. Thanks in advance for all your help. Twinkie - -- Internet Communications of America, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Training the Slayer In a message dated 97-08-18 14:59:37 EDT, you write: << Let's keep in mind that if Angel had not been required to come to her aid, we would not have become privy to his whole soulful (no pun intended) story. Horrors, there goes my favorite ep! >> Well, for that matter, the whole question is a trifle silly. We're supposed to be trying to solve the problem of Buffy needing more training so she doesn't get killed. Like that could happen! Unless Joss decides to pull a Tolstoy and reject his livelihood and all material things, I assume Buffy would survive an army of gun-wielding vampires from a wheelchair if the script called for it. I guess all we're really doing is speculating on how the scripts could handle Buffy's PLAUSIBLY taking on more foes than we've seen in the past. Clearly a training scene or two would be all the establishing info we'd need. Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) P.S.--I don't know about you guys, but in AOL, the background of this letter is yellow for some reason. Sorry if this bothers anyone. I don't know how it happened, and I'm going to assume the problem will go away if I ignore it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Thoughts on buffy In a message dated 97-08-18 16:45:39 EDT, you write: << Also, I think Xander has at least a little feelings for Willow because in "I Robot, You Jane", he felt weird when Willow was a couple with Moloch, and in "The Puppet Show", when the Puppet was acting perverted towards Willow, he said "HEY!" >> I hate to say it, since Xander is such a nice character in so many ways, but I think his attitude towards Willow is that he likes having her love him, even if he's not willing to return the favor. And when that attention is drawn away, he feels threatened and he wants her admiration back. In fact, I take back my "I hate to say this"--it's not evil or mean or anything--it's just the way human relations sometimes are. And I think it's terrific that, although we theoretically know up front what all the characters SAY they feel about each other, that there's still a lot of room for ambiguous emotional play, and it's consistently explored. Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Soundtrack In a message dated 97-08-18 14:27:05 EDT, you write: << (To list parents: Sorry if this is off the topic, but I need to know so I don't waste money on buying two CD's when I can buy both songs on the same CD.) >> You're worried about wasting money? What kind of fan behavior is that? :) Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson), spender of untold hours and dollar bills ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:50:11 -0700 From: oldmanstauf@ibm.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Snyder vs. Flutie: Who's Cooler? Defiantly has to be Flutie... He may of been a wolf in sheeps clothing, but that a whole lot better then the plain wolf you get with Synder. Come to think about it, I had a principal once that was like Snyder, everyone hated his guts, and yet the faculty ate it up. (they loved him) that came out wrong :) In anycase, its a lot better having a principal that at least gives you a chance. Think about it, take how he acted in "Puppet Master" for instance. He came on strong as a bull, and didn't care who he hurt or how he came off on people. Talk about your number one Grouch! He even looks like he could be a mass murderer. Well, if your still reading, thanks! If not, thanks for at least reading something :) My two cents worth, Oldman Stauf At 05:59 PM 8/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >FLUTIE: > > PRO: Seemed like a nice guy. Touching speech in "The Pack" > about how each generation thinks later ones have no > values. Cute with that little pig. > > CON: May have been rather self-involved (whose picture was on > his desk anyway?). The niceness was a facade. Too many > "Principal Sensitivity" training sessions for him. He could > talk the talk, but not walk the walk. For example: > > He rips up Buffy's record saying it doesn't matter, but > tapes it back together when he suspects it does. He tells > Buffy the students are free to call him by his first name, > but warns her that nobody ever does. And he offers that she > can come by for a hug, but quickly adds that it won't be a > real hug because there can be no "wrongful touching." > >SNYDER: > > CON: (Where do we start?) This guy is a relic, unthawed from > an ice floe. They haven't made principals like him in > years. He missed all of Flutie's sensitivity training > sessions. He longs for the days when a good stiff paddle > was the best way to keep students in line ("You want > sensitive? Your rear end will be plenty sensitive!") > And he would return to those days in a heartbeat, > were it not for the lawsuits. > > PRO: No image management here. He lays his cards right on the > table. What you see is what you get. (and what you see > makes Prince Charles look like Vincent Van Gogh!). > > >Lisa >"And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" > - from the theologically > enhanced version of BtVS > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: BUFFY: Questions Why do some of you think that Xander already knows about Willow's feelings for him? Also, why do some of you think Cordelia likes Xander? I didn't see any evidence for that. Also, does anyone think that it is weird how everytime Giles becomes unconscious, he wakes up right after the monster's dead. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: Re: BUFFY: Soundtrack I am worried about wasting money on the song, not on Buffy. It is like, if you like two songs, but they are on two CD's, why buy both when you can get it on the same CD. Anyway, why are you acting kind a' mean? You Wrote: You're worried about wasting money? What kind of fan behavior is that? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:42:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Xainith@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Questions In a message dated 8/19/97 2:35:14 AM !!!First Boot!!!, you write: << why do some of you think Cordelia likes Xander? >> She dosnt like Xander if she liked him she would let him hang around her so called friends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: BukroAmber@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vampires? In a message dated 97-08-18 04:47:47 EDT, you write: > > I wanna ask a question about vampires on BtvS - Somewhere (non-Buffy) I > > read that vampires get turned back into humans when the person who made > > them a vampire dies. I want to know - has anyway been suggested on Buffy > > to make Angel, or a Vamp without a soul, human again? > > Actually, I thought that rule only applied to werewolves. that's what I thought I was looking into vamoires, witches, and etc... cause I'm tryin' to write a book. Werewolves can be turned back, but I don't think so about vampires. A little tidbit-vampires (and witches) are traditionally afraid of churchbells according to popular mythology- also vampires and withes traditionally have a similar destruction, due to that they are both deemed "satan's children" wouldn't it be funny if we saw a female witch who had achieved a spell of immortality, and her vampire brother...what would happen if buffy killed the vampire brother....revenge would be sweet...and a great storyline. I think I need to go to bed now my typing fingers are gettting ahead of my brain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:43:28 -0300 (ADT) From: The Dark Knight Subject: Re: BUFFY: Questions Nikki Alberto wrote: >Also, does anyone think that it is weird how everytime Giles becomes >unconscious, he wakes up right after the monster's dead. Ummmm, not me. Remember in "Puppet Show", they did say he was really smart. I think this just proves that fact. :-) To the Batcave.... Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:58:33 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy hi, i desperately need your h*lp! if you have a copy of when SMG was on 102.7 Kiis Fm (los angeles) would you please make a copy for me i would pay for everything or trade for the alyson & nick on loveline whatever you like, i would really apreciate it! thanks! p.s. lawless? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Alyson and Nick were on loveline???!!! When? Do you know if they'll re-air it again. I soooo want to see it. Guadelupe wrote: .......alyson & nick on loveline whatever _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Inspyral@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy In a message dated 97-08-19 02:14:24 EDT, nikki12@rocketmail.com writes: << Alyson and Nick were on loveline???!!! When? Do you know if they'll re-air it again. I soooo want to see it. >> I remember listening to part of that... Aly and Nick were on the Loveline Radio show, I don't think they were ever on the TV show... I just caught the end of it tho(u kno, when Adam Corolla goes "I would like to thank blah blah blah fer being here", etc), so I don't kno wut they talked about... Cheers, Chris >=) Keeper of Xander's Porn Star T-Shirt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Inspyral@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: TV Guide, Issue with Buffy on the cover In a message dated 97-08-18 21:14:15 EDT, sabbath@icanect.net writes: << Could somebody do me a huge favor and tell what is the number of TV Guide so I can call to see if they can send me the issue of TV Guide with Buffy on it, I know I would be calling for a back issue so can anybody tell me what dates that TV Guide was for. Thanks in advance for all your help. >> That would be the August 2-8 issue. It's VOL. 45, NO. 31, issue #2314. I'm not sure if this is true for all the different regions, but thatz wut it sez in mine(I'm in northern CA...). Hope that helps... Cheers, Chris >=) Keeper of Xander's Porn Star T-Shirt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Inspyral@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Questions In a message dated 97-08-18 22:34:59 EDT, nikki12@rocketmail.com writes: << Also, does anyone think that it is weird how everytime Giles becomes unconscious, he wakes up right after the monster's dead. >> Yeah, it happened tonight during The Pack. Giles got clocked by that zookeeper dood, and emerges right after Buffy hurls him into the hyena pit, asking "Did I miss anything?" That iz pretty weird... L8r, Chris >=) Keeper of Xander's Porn Star T-Shirt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:50:04 -0700 From: RAS Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #247 Yes David, I agree a summertime/vacation episode would be great. I wondered why in Sunny California none of the cast members ever wear less clothing (like in Baywatch) although the mini skirts are VERY nice. All the gang could get together and suntan in Buffy's backyard and talk 'shop'. :> >By the way, we haven't really seen Buffy in _deshabille_ , since Buffy seems >to sleep completely covered, with a brassiere on at all times. This is >another argument for setting one of the shows during summer vacation, when >there's an excuse to have everyone in swimsuits! Rudy (darkone@uniserve.com) Official Slayerette (and proud) Keeper of the Darkness (there's a lot of it!) My Buffy Page (http://users.uniserve.com/~darkone/buffy.htm) My Homepage (http://users.uniserve.com/~darkone/darkone.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Xainith@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: The Pack Did anyone notice in the pack that it looked like Xander was the leader of the Pack?Why is that?Was he possesd by the leader of the Pack? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:57:57 +0100 From: northcat@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Pack blooper I noticed an error when I was watching the The Pack tonight. It's during the scene where she's alone with Xander in the library and she's looking at the video on the computer. The audio has hyena laughs, but the video shows African wild dogs instead. Northcat-GASPer, keeper of Giles' office ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:21:20 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Training the Slayer At 08:45 AM 8/18/97 -0400, Cruciver@aol.com wrote: >I can't see there being any funding--fighting vampires must be something like >fandom, where only a few people care enough about it and blow their own money >on it like a hobby. It does seem to be the spare-time obsession of Willow and Xander. And Willow's always struck me as a potential genre fan. What genre would she be a fan of? Because of inside knowledge provided by their "fandom," these two outsiders (and the rest of the gang) are the only ones who really know what's going on. I love it, fans saving the world! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:45:30 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xanderdu (Was: Angel) At 02:22 PM 8/18/97 -0400, Jesse Jou wrote: >ObBuffy: If Alexander Harris were to build a stately pleasure >dome would it be called Xanderdu? His heirs on the estate would evolve into a race known only as "the Xander." Travellers would be advised, "When in Xanderdu, do as the Xander do" All inhabitants would have their hair coiffed into that familiar haphazard style affectionately called a "Xander-doo." And they would sip a carbonated, citrusy, high-caffeine beverage named "Xander-Dew." The librarian class of this new society known as "the Giles," would forever wonder, "When are those pornographic books on Witchcraft that were checked out by the Xander due?" Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:22:31 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy fanfic is in the news! At 03:22 PM 8/18/97 -0400, Betsy Vera wrote: >ObBuffy: This one goes in the Nitpickers File under "Editing." In "Puppet >Show," in the scene where Buffy is fighting the demon as Giles is untying >himself from the guillotine: the close-ups of Giles undoing the straps >don't really match the longer shots where he's in the background. That's probably when they were intercutting original scene shots taken on the stage of Torrance High with pickup shots of the same scene they had to shoot on the Bronze's stage (one of those fascinating details my BtVS grip friend told me). Using two different locations like that for the same scene probably created some continuity problems for them. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:26:04 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander knows about Willow At 03:38 PM 8/18/97 -0700, Melinda Angel wrote: >Some schools do have cages in certain rooms for use as storage >areas for expensive items. Ahhh... the old "why is there a cage in the library?" question again. (In an ASH Frankenfurter voice): "One from the vaults!" This question definitely belongs on the "Undead" list. But I'll happily repeat my old answer. Yes, libraries have those cages to protect rare books, but they are designed to keep people OUT, not IN. They usually have these little twisty knobs inside that you can let yourself out with if you get accidently locked in. Xander could have waltzed right out! But I'm not likely to lose much sleep over it.... Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: BUFFY: soundtrack/pack/The Xander On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Nikki Alberto wrote: > I am worried about wasting money on the song, not on Buffy. It is like, > if you like two songs, but they are on two CD's, why buy both when you > can get it on the same CD. Anyway, why are you acting kind a' mean? He wasn't. He was being facetious. That's why he put a smilie at the end of the sentence, in case it wasn't obvious to some people. >Did anyone notice in the pack that it looked like Xander was the leader >of the Pack?Why is that?Was he possesd by the leader of the Pack? I think probably because, at the moment the possession took place, Xander was the one being the aggressor while defending the other kid (who was outside the red circle at that point). re: Lisa Rose's paragraph on The Xander: Oh, the pain! The pain! Betsy -- bentley@umich.edu -- Giles's Roller-up of Sleeves Lover of Giles' green-checked shirt *and* his car, dammit! Keeper: Mrs. Summers's Barbecue Fork (the one she didn't know she had) Fanfic Resources: www-personal.umich.edu/~bentley/fanfic/fanfic.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Pack On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 Xainith@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone notice in the pack that it looked like Xander was the leader of > the Pack?Why is that?Was he possesd by the leader of the Pack? Another Undead Question! Let me take a "stab" at it. In the "possession" scene, Xander is the last to be "possessed" by the hyena. He is then the last to turn to look at the geeky kid as he runs out, suggesting he may be getting an extra dose of possession (grr argh!). Thus, there was a difference re Xander right from the start. Now, let me put on my Giles demeanor and be long-winded. Xander's "predatory act" was the most aggressive, i.e., the others were acting as a group in tormenting the geeky kid, whereas Xander was the studly Dudley Do-right type who opposed all four of the others. That sort of thing takes more guts than simply acting as part of a group (well, unless your group is headed by Charles Manson!). The hyena might have sensed from this - or the "sensing" may be automatic - that he was the most dominant type there (I wonder if Willow digs that?) and thus given him the leader-type powers of smell, sexual dominance (he's the only one who has a sexual aspect), etc. Of course, maybe Xander is just inherently more dominant than the others in general, and that carried over when possessed. Or is that too simple? Since he's a star of the show and the others were only glorified extras, making him the pack leader developed his character, gave him lots of chances to mug for the camera, and kept him and his fans happy while leaving the story line simple. This last is the "Hollywood" explanation. Whatever the answer, I am sure you will arise again, Oh Great Undead Question! jb p.s. Xander's expression when he meets the other four in the Bronze is such an obvious homage to Jack Nicholson in "The Shining." That makes two two Xander references to that movie (the other being the "redrum" thing in the "Puppet Show" episode). I bet that is Nick's doing, though it might of course simply be serendipitous (ooh, love that word). (OK, Giles demeanor off.) p.p.s. I think the whole scarf-around-the-neck look on Buffy in the opening scenes of "The Pack" is for the dogs - er, birds. Only in Hollywood.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ARTEMIS974@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: My earlier message Okay guys... Here it is..... I sent out a message asking about Vampires reverting back to normal if the "Head Vampire" died...I asked if we could try and not make it into a global debate like the Angel reflection thingy.....Well I was not meaning to criticize anyone by that statement..I was merely stating that I did not want to be the one that starts a whole chain of letters on the same topic over and over again....That is all I meant. Granted we are in rerun stage of Buffy, but there has to be a new toopic we can find, right? Maybe not, Maybe so...we will have to wait and see....Well...Sorry to all of you that were offended, that is not what that entry were meant for. Jason Martinez Slayer974@aol.com TknoPagan@aol.com Keeper of Buffy's Little Stake Keeper of Willow's Computer Keeper of Joyce's Jeep Cherokee "I am the Slayer and your not!"...Buffy,...The Harvest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper In a message dated 97-08-19 05:22:15 EDT, you write: << I noticed an error when I was watching the The Pack tonight. It's during the scene where she's alone with Xander in the library and she's looking at the video on the computer. The audio has hyena laughs, but the video shows African wild dogs instead. >> Good call! What gets me about the episode is how funny its conception of hyenas is. Hyenas are scavengers--easily scared, unlikely to attack en masse, et cetera. But to judge from the climax where the keeper gets flipped into the hyena cage, you'd think they were the mammalian equivalent of piranhas. If they were dingoes or jackals, I might believe it a little more. Good thing Joss covered his butt and had the keeper claim they were "an extremely rare and savage breed"--which is a nice catchall to explain their unhyenalike behavior, even if it doesn't explain why everyone's reference books were wrong. Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) P.S.--I never understood Buffy's reference book that claims that hyenas weren't allowed on the ark because they were an unholy mixture of dogs and cats. If that's the case, how did the hyenas supposedly survive? And even if they did survive, how did hyenas wind up in a Hebrew/Babylonian folktale, when hyenas have their own African, non-Noachian Flood myth to be a part of? I assume this is all just a joke. But what a weird joke. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: YAEditor@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Halloween Book The second Buffy Book, HALLOWEEN RAIN, is not the Halloween Episode of Buffy. In fact, one of the authors, Christopher Golden, spoke to Joss at ComicCon. Joss hadn't read the book then because he was working on the Halloween TV episode and didn't want to risk getting ideas from the book. So, we get two completely different Buffy Halloween stories this year! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:14:48 -0700 From: NAZARIAN@ORIX.COM Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper > P.S.--I never understood Buffy's reference book that claims that hyenas > weren't allowed on the ark because they were an unholy mixture of dogs and > cats. If that's the case, how did the hyenas supposedly survive? If you don't believe in literal Biblical history then the Old Testament is a myth, and therefore the story of Noah's Ark is comparable with the stories in mythology, epic poetry, etc... so I guess it is your own perception of whether the stories are true or not to answer your first question. As to them stretching the story of Noah to put a "unnatural" slant on hyenas- they do that all the time- I love hearing Giles spill out knowledge about ancient texts which are probably based on some sort of legitimate source- but has been shaped to fit the Buffyverse. (It reminds me of when I watch Star Trek TNG- and I nod my head at any scientific or historical explanation they give- even though it means very little to me. If the actor is convincing, I'll suspend my disbelief!) But I think that the fact that they used the Bible probably raised more than one eyebrow- esp. since they were critiquing the integrity of a species that had been recently (back in the day of Noah) "created" by God. ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #249 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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