From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #251 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Wednesday, August 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 251 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz on YM BUFFY: ANY LINKS? Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz on YM Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory BUFFY: Re: Xander's aggressiveness BUFFY: BTVS Theme Song Guitar Tabs Re: BUFFY: Appearances Fwd: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Re: BUFFY: BTVS Theme Song Guitar Tabs Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Assorted comments Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Cordelia's Future Re: BUFFY: Talking to Tony (Giles) Re: BUFFY: Xander's Future BUFFY: Greetings all! Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory re: BUFFY: he's an animal! Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory BUFFY: Re: Talking to Tony (Giles) BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Re: BUFFY: Questions BUFFY: Willow Locker Blooper? BUFFY: "The Witch" Not "Teacher's Pet" BUFFY: Webpage for Master's Undead Questions Re: BUFFY: Questions Re: BUFFY: Future Character development (Was:Clowns) re: BUFFY: he's an animal! Re: BUFFY: Webpage for Master's Undead Questions See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:52:28 -0400 (EDT) From: XenaGab1@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz on YM someone's get to help me out with this! i checked out YM and I looked on every page but I couldn't find David. Am I just blind or was it in an older issue? Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:59:37 +0100 From: angela4luv@juno.com (Angela Mach) Subject: BUFFY: ANY LINKS? anyone want meeh to add their url's to my homepage, which i am almost done with email meeh please. ObBUFFY:did someone say that there will be some sort of interview with SMG in it? Angela Mach Keeper of Buffy's taste in men(as in Angel), style of dressing Keeper of Xander's sense of humor Keeper of Willow's "witty" remarks about Xander Keeper of Angel's strength and power, his sweet sensitive side ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:19:09 +0100 From: angela4luv@juno.com (Angela Mach) Subject: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz on YM it's on the september 1997 issue with carmen electra on it. he is on pg 111. hope that helps Angela Mach Keeper of Buffy's taste in men(as in Angel), style of dressing Keeper of Xander's sense of humor Keeper of Willow's "witty" remarks about Xander Keeper of Angel's strength and power, his sweet sensitive side ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: VenussV@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy In a message dated 97-08-19 02:00:25 EDT, slayerbwcs@webtv.net writes: << for the alyson & nick on loveline >> Hi, I was wondering when they were on Loveline? Can you h*lp me out with that one, cause I would really love it. Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:23:21 -0400 From: Metkulu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper Cruciver@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-08-19 16:45:50 EDT, you write: > > << > P.S.--I never understood Buffy's reference book that claims that hyenas > > weren't allowed on the ark because they were an unholy mixture of dogs and > > cats. If that's the case, how did the hyenas supposedly survive? > > If you don't believe in literal Biblical history then the Old Testament > is a myth, and therefore the story of Noah's Ark is comparable with the > stories in mythology, epic poetry, etc... so I guess it is your own > perception of whether the stories are true or not to answer your first > question. As to them stretching the story of Noah to put a "unnatural" > slant on hyenas- they do that all the time >> > > What I guess I was shaking my head in confusion at was: Why would they make > up such an obviously fictional crazy-ass myth--one that clearly smushes > together two incompatible mythologies AND makes no logical sense anyway--and > just use it as a single throwaway line? I could see coming up with something > that deliberately weird if you were going to follow through with it. But > doing it for no reason when it nakedly exposes its own artifice seems > unsatisfying to me. Surely any research you do on African myths will feature > an ACTUAL hyena-related myth that's at least as apposite as the "cat-dog" > silliness Buffy was supposed to have read. (A hyena seems like a natural > trickster figure.) Why not use that? > > Admittedly, I'm nitpicking. And admittedly, there isn't always a lot of time > to come up with these scripts. But if you're gonna do research on hyenas > anyway, how much harder do you have to look to find actual hyena myths? > > Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) Noah did not take all species of animal on the arc. Some animals evolved later. The Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs either and that a fact. Read Darwins theory. Remember the Bible was written by men, who were told these stories and these stories were translated. Everything written is not gospel. Remember its the gospel according to...so its hear say. (I go to a Catholic school and we talk about these things} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Mohamed Haddadi" wrote: >Besides, if Xander knew about Willow's feelings as implicitly as some >think, wouldn't he know enough to lay off the "I love Buffy" comments >around her? gryphon@execpc.com wrote: >Just the opposite, I'd think. By making very clear that he's attached >to Buffy, he probably thinks he's preventing Willow's building up false >hopes. If he is trying to prevent Willow's feelings for him, why did he hug her at the end of "The Pack" and call her MY WILLOW. That would kind of give her more false hopes. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:05:56 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory At 7:37 PM -0700 8/19/97, Nikki Alberto wrote: >If he is trying to prevent Willow's feelings for him, why did he hug >her at the end of "The Pack" and call her MY WILLOW. That would kind >of give her more false hopes. The teenage boy is a very, very curious creature. Especially a teenage boy like Xander. In IR, YJ, our boy expresses something like jealousy when Willow talks about Malcolm and Buffy chides him that he regrets no longer being "the belle of the ball" (which btw is another piece of evidence that the characters are a little more aware of all their underlying dynamics than they care to let on). And we've all mentioned instances where Xander expressed a similar attitude towards men or dummies looking at Willow. I think Xander's behavior is indeliberately cruel in the way that much of human behavior is indeliberately cruel. I believe that he does realize that Willow cares deeply for him and I think part of him doesn't want to disabuse her of her feeling because 1) he doesn't want to hurt her with rejection and 2) he kind of likes being the unattainable stud in the situation as he's usually the piner and not the pinee (is that a word?). In The Pack, he violated the unspoken dynamic between the two by not only rejecting her but also ridiculing her in public. Given these circumstances, when it came time to restore the status quo, it was necessary for his act of contrition to be as "large" as his violation, hence the rather saccharine "My Willow." Now did he sit down and plot this out? I don't think so. It seems that teenagers are profoundly intuitive when it comes to testing or repairing limits and I think he felt the need to say something that would restore the relationship to its previous character and to emphasize that "good" Xander would never have said those horrible things to her. Of course what Buffy and Willow don't know, but that we in the audience do, is that "good" Xander and "bad" Xander really aren't so different. that should earn me a bright shiny penny. JJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:12:09 +0000 From: "Stephanie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory >if he is trying to prevent feelings .. why does he call her my >willow?? think that xander is like every other teenager boy.. he doesn't want to encourage her feelings but doesn't want to lose her either.. I know alot of people like xander.. they want another person but it feels gooo dto have someone pining over you too.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory Stephanie wrote: >Think that xander is like every other teenager boy.. He doesn't want >to encourage her feelings but doesn't want to lose her either. Jessy Jou wrote: >The teenage boy is a very, very curious creature. Especially a >teenage boy like Xander..... I know that and I agree. I was just responding to how a guy said that Xander always tells Willow he loves Buffy to let her know nothing will happen between them (willow and xander), but if that was correct, then he wouldn't hug her and give her wrong thoughts. Right??? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:59:22 +0000 From: "stacy noele" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory >if xander didn't like willow.. he wouldn't hug her or give her wrong >thoughts, right?? sorry but he would.. i don't know about anyone else but hug my friends and stuff and to onlookers i am leading them on.. xander and willow have know each other for like forever so they should be rally huggy flirty close.. that's my opinion.. i could be wrong =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:57:11 -0700 From: RAS Subject: BUFFY: Re: Xander's aggressiveness Xander showed his dominance or presence in more than just the Pack episode. If you'll recal the Profecy Girl girl episode when he asks Buffy to sit down outside before he asks her out. There is a guy sitting on the bench to whom Xander just says, "leave". The guy just gets up and leaves, no arguement or questions, just gets up and goes. Xander has shown us in Nightmares that he has a very well developed upper body. Do others fear/respect his size, or is our favorite hero/slayerette a bully part time .... NO NO! It can't be so. Xander is just a pussycat under that muscle? Rudy (darkone@uniserve.com) Official Slayerette & BtVS Club member (and proud) Keeper of the Darkness (there's a lot of it!) My Buffy Page (http://users.uniserve.com/~darkone/buffy.htm) My Homepage (http://users.uniserve.com/~darkone/darkone.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: BUFFY: BTVS Theme Song Guitar Tabs ObBuffy: To everyone who wants to know the guitar tabs to BTVS's opening song, it is: E5 F#5 G5 D5 D5 E5 F#5 D5 e]------------------------------------------------------------- B]------------------------------------------------------------ G]---9-------11---12---7-------------77------9--11---7-------- D]---9-------11---12---7-------------77------9--11---7-------- A]---7--------9---10---5-------------55------7---9---5-------- E]------------------------------------------------------------ E5 F#5 G5 D5 E5 F#5 D5 e]------------------------------------------------------------ B]------------------------------------------------------------ G]---9999999-1111-1212-7777777777777777777-99-1111-7777777---- D]---9999999-1111-1212-7777777777777777777-99-1111-7777777---- A]---7777777--9-9-1010-5555555555555555555-77--9-9-5555555---- E]------------------------------------------------------------ e]------------------------------------------------------------ B]-------10--8--------------------------777-88---------777-88- G]---9----------7---7-9999999/--9999999--------9999999-------- D]------------------------------------------------------------ A]------------------------------------------------------------ E]------------------------------------------------------------ E5 e]------------------------------------------------------------ B]---------------77------------------------------------------- G]---7777777-999----77777777-\121212121212/---5-----5-----5--- D]--------------------------------------------5-----5-----5--- A]--------------------------------------------7-----7-----7--- E]------------------------------------------------------------ Hope this helped! _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:56:46 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Appearances could somebody tape charisma at the apearance that she is going to do on august 23 and make copies for those who are unlucky to go? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:59:58 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Fwd: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy - --WebTV-Mail-1153728350-4786 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT are you talking about smg being on kroq or nick & aly beeing on loveline? - --WebTV-Mail-1153728350-4786 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Greyfairy@aol.com Message-ID: <970819181016_1119100203@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: buffy@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: smg on 102.7 kiis fm (los angeles) copy Sender: owner-buffy@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com It wasn't 102.7 fm, it was 106.7 KROQ fm!!!! I heard that one.. it was a while ago.. heather - --WebTV-Mail-1153728350-4786-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:57:11 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS Theme Song Guitar Tabs could somebody please try to get me the tabs but for the piano? thanks! obbuffy: does anybody know if buffy has a middle name? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:21:14 -0700 From: the_hundred_acre_woods@juno.com (Carla M King) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:23:21 -0400 Metkulu writes: >Noah did not take all species of animal on the arc. Some animals evolved later. The Bible >doesn't mention dinosaurs either and that a fact. Read Darwins theory. Remember the >Bible was written by men, who were told these stories and these stories were translated. >Everything written is not gospel. Remember its the gospel according to...so its hear say. >(I go to a Catholic school and we talk about these things} Dinosaurs were created between the day plants were made and the day animals were made. If you also remember from the bible that it says we don't know how long a day is to God. The people who wrote the bible got their words directly from God ( I go to a christian school and we pray to God when we aren't sure on things). OB Does anyone know if they will run Invisible girl one last time before the new season that is the only one I missed taping. My friends keep telling me how good it is. Tigger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:23:40 +0100 From: northcat@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper <> Not quite accurate. Hyenas are actually highly skilled predators. In fact, lions often steal kills from hyenas. As for the zookeeper being attacked, he had mentioned that the hyenas hadn't been fed. Starvation is a great motivator. Northcat-GASPer, keeper of Giles' office ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:40:16 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Assorted comments At 09:18 PM 8/19/97 -0500, MR THEODORE J MILLER wrote: >Teenage angst: The Master, sitting by the phone and waiting for it to >ring but it never does, and he's crying because no one will invite >him out. Doing his nails over and over, forty different shades. Tries on the black outfit, the red outfit, the black-and-red outfit... Still the phone doesn't ring. "Why me?" he sobs "When I was only 1300, I had to take the phone off the hook or it would ring all day! But since I turned 2400, no one calls anymore!" So he applies a lava masque to his face and cries himself to sleep. Colin thinks to himself, "God, I hope I don't end up like this... " Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:41:35 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper At 10:19 AM 8/19/97 -0400, Cruciver@aol.com wrote: >P.S.--I never understood Buffy's reference book that claims that hyenas >weren't allowed on the ark because they were an unholy mixture of dogs and >cats. If that's the case, how did the hyenas supposedly survive? Being the shameless beasts that they are, they stowed away on the ark (eventually operating the ships's bar to obtain Latinum). The unicorns were too noble for such an act and were thus relegated to fairytales. BTW, the ancient Hebrews were very big on NOT mixing disparate categories of things (such as cats and dogs). Their proscriptions against shellfish may have had less to do with cleanliness than with the fact that such creatures were an unholy mixture of land and sea creatures. Breeding of mules was forbidden because it mixed horses and donkeys. Cloth could not be woven of two different types of thread, etc... Some Judaic scholars feel this sprung from the staunch philosophy against mixing with (and thus being assimilated by) the surrounding non-Judaic cultures. ObBuffy: Uh.... OK, since we have seen an "evil" Xander episode, there must be "evil" Buffy, Willow, and Giles episodes in the offing. An evil Buffy is a most terrifying concept to comprehend! Would it require Angel's superstrength to subdue her? Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:41:26 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordelia's Future At 07:13 PM 8/19/97 -0500, gryphon@execpc.com wrote: >She won't. She'll go to UCLA or USC and have a huge pack of wanna-be's >following her around.... Cordy would be *perfect* at USC (aka, "University of Spoiled Children"). She could bring the Beamer and have her pick of cool sororities! (My tongue is in my cheek here. Many nice people go to USC. I myself spent a year and a half at USC trying become a filmmaker, although I'm not nice). Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kickwizwlf@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Talking to Tony (Giles) nice to see buffy's stars actually care about the fans. I would appreciate knowing more about tony if ya don't mind. thanks for your time, Wolf aka Bart Portzer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Gillham Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Future On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 Cruciver@aol.com wrote: > > This post made me think. What's going to happen to Cordelia when she > graduates from high school? I'm going to assume she'll go to college, join a > sorority and suddenly be exposed to...new ideas! It would be great if some In a sorority? New ideas? Not necessarily. My bet would be that Cordelia would either find a nice college where everyone else is like her. (And there are still plenty of those out there) or go the other way, and go to Berkley, dye her hair purple, smoke pot, and decide she's a lesbian. Either she'll end up exactly the same, or totally different that she currently is. Jill Gillham jilkey@grfn.org jillmari@aol.com http://members.aol.com/ferndock2 "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Carroll Subject: BUFFY: Greetings all! Hi everyone, My name is Jeff and I just joined the Buffy mailing list. Let me start by saying that "Buffy" is an awesome show, but I know you all already know that. The first episode I saw was "Angel" and I've been hooked ever since. My fave character is Xander, just because he's too cool, and I love the shirts he wears. And someday I dream of finding a girl like Willow. (don't we all?) I can't believe it took me this long to think that there might be a mailing list. (Brain farts) I belong to a couple of other mailing lists, but I think this one will definitely be my favorite (even after reading just a few posts). In case anyone is interested, I live in Rhode Island and am a 22 year old male working and just finishing up a degree in computer science, although I'm more of a musician than a computer scientist. So if anybody else on the Buffy list lives in this area and wants to have "Buffy viewing parties" or something, that would be neat. I already hooked one of my friends on the show (it only took one episode. surprised? i think not.) I have seen every episode from the first season and I have them all on tape except "Angel" and "Prophecy Girl". Does anybody have any idea if they'll be running either one any time soon? I assume they'll at least rerun PG just before the season premiere. But "Angel" is another story. I've already seen it 2 times in reruns, and even though I taped it both times (since i wasn't home), I never thought to keep it on the tape. (I'm SUCH a ding-a-ling!!! grr!! aargh!!!) Now, even though they keep showing the commercial for "Angel", they never show it, and it's looking more doubtful. Suffice to say, I will be very unhappy if the second season starts and I don't have a complete Buffy episode collection by then. I checked out a bunch of web sites, but no one seems to have info on upcoming episodes. I know "The Puppet Show" is scheduled for next week (one of my favorites), but beyond that, I have no idea. Ok. I guess I've babbled long enough. Look forward to chatting and discussing with you all. Cheers, Jeff O`=--.,_,.--='^`=--.,_,..--=='^`==--..,_,..--=='^`==--..,_,..--=='^`O | Jeff Carroll - carroll@cs.uri.edu - "Grrr. Argh." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Visit my web page: http://www.cs.uri.edu/~carroll/index.html | O,.--='^`=--.,_,.--='^`==--..,_,..--=='^`==--..,_,..--=='^`==--..,_,O ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pack blooper On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Lisa Rose wrote: > ObBuffy: Uh.... OK, since we have seen an "evil" Xander episode, > there must be "evil" Buffy, Willow, and Giles episodes in > the offing. An evil Buffy is a most terrifying concept > to comprehend! Would it require Angel's superstrength to subdue her? Heehee, the standard device for Buffy would be to go the "evil twin" route, made infamous by David Hasselhoff in Knight Rider (no, Hasselhoff does NOT look good in a mustache!). Buffy in a mustache? Oh, and given the smoldering glances going on, I don't think Angel needs superstrength anything to subdue any savage beasts in Buffy. A simple "Come into my (funeral) parlor, sweet thang" would work wonders. Re the whole "what will happen to Cordelia" thread, let me just throw my two cents in that she won't go to college, but instead will bum around LA for a while, get her big break on Baywatch and wind up on a cult tv series as a high school outsider who just can't get people to LIKE her. ;) jb "And by the way, what kind of girlie name is 'Angel?'" Xander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BtVSVixen@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory In a message dated 8/19/97 8:31:21 PM, mhaddadi@sprynet.com wrote: >As much as I hate to admit it, I guess that Xander as Hyena Boy did have >some notion of Willow's feelings for him. My burning question is, how did >he find out? Buffy would never let it slip, and Willow would die before >she'd tell him. okay, so naturally i have my own little theory on this subject(and maybe you'll think it's way out there, but oh well...) maybe xander's comments about willow thinking he could be happy with anyone but buffy wasn't exactly in reference to willow's feelings for xander...hasn't willow been telling xander that he shouldn't see buffy as more than a friend...i know in cases where i wanted to be more than a friend with a guy who was at the time a very xander-like friend i would always advice him to steer clear of girls he liked who weren't me...if i were willow i would be telling xander to give up on buffy and give someone a little more obvious a chance (heck, give him a kick in the head if that's what it takes :)) anyway, my point is...maybe xander didn't exactly mean that he knew about willow's feelings...like it's been said before willow is way too shy about her feelings toward xander to let it slip, and buffy wouldn't have betrayed willow's trust and told xander...so maybe it was just a "willow has to stop trying to talk me out of feeling the way i do about you because i only have eyes for buffy" and not a "i know how willow really feels about me, but how could i have feelings for her when i'm so in love (lust) with you" vixen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:11:55 -0700 From: NAZARIAN@ORIX.COM Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory i have to disagree with the Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory sent earlier today- okay everyone, yes we love Xander, but he is not a little angel (no pun intended). Xander is also in a no win situation- (assuming he knows Willow loves him- which from my interpretation of The Pack cannot be questioned)- he can either confront the issue- possibly destroying the friendship, or he can ignore it. What we call "leading her on" is him giving her the affection that she is begging for, while maintaining perameters by letting her know where his interest lies. Willow can not be taught to not love Xander- so they have both separately decided to let the issue lie for the time being. (Not to mention the tension it could cause between Buffy and Willow) I have to wonder how Xander's confession of love to Buffy will effect their dynamics next season- although the action following the declaration somewhat softened any kind of consequence (who can dwell on heartbreak when death is on the line?) But as to this whole deal about Xander being GOOD or BAD (in regards to his behavior with Willow)- I think maybe the answer is that he is human- and is therefore filled with a spectrum of admirable to despicable traits- just as any of us. (in other words- a very complete character- another 3 cheers to Joss) miss hayse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:11:55 -0700 From: NAZARIAN@ORIX.COM Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory i have to disagree with the Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory sent earlier today- okay everyone, yes we love Xander, but he is not a little angel (no pun intended). Xander is also in a no win situation- (assuming he knows Willow loves him- which from my interpretation of The Pack cannot be questioned)- he can either confront the issue- possibly destroying the friendship, or he can ignore it. What we call "leading her on" is him giving her the affection that she is begging for, while maintaining perameters by letting her know where his interest lies. Willow can not be taught to not love Xander- so they have both separately decided to let the issue lie for the time being. (Not to mention the tension it could cause between Buffy and Willow) I have to wonder how Xander's confession of love to Buffy will effect their dynamics next season- although the action following the declaration somewhat softened any kind of consequence (who can dwell on heartbreak when death is on the line?) But as to this whole deal about Xander being GOOD or BAD (in regards to his behavior with Willow)- I think maybe the answer is that he is human- and is therefore filled with a spectrum of admirable to despicable traits- just as any of us. (in other words- a very complete character- another 3 cheers to Joss) miss hayse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:20:31 -0700 From: NAZARIAN@ORIX.COM Subject: re: BUFFY: he's an animal! Just wondering- with all this talk about the Pack, are there any others that thought Xander as a bad guy (animal) looked really good and became a lot sexier? Just a thought miss hayse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BukroAmber@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Pack Boy/Willow Theory In a message dated 97-08-20 05:13:06 EDT, you write: << sorry but he would.. i don't know about anyone else but hug my friends and stuff and to onlookers i am leading them on.. xander and willow have know each other for like forever so they should be rally huggy flirty close >> I think that's right because from everyone I know-if you know a person for a really long time you get comfortable with him. Or hher. Willow and Xander should flirt more it's just natural even if she doesn't flirt with anyone else, it should come naturally when she's around xander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Re: Talking to Tony (Giles) On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Sonja Marie wrote: > Sarah Gellar thinks GASP! sounds like we are in a oxygen tape. That's suppose to be tank. > Ep. 8 will concentrate on Tony's past. And I meant Giles, not Tony, of course. > If you want more info about are talk, that isn't Buffy related email me > privately and I'll send you the email I sent to the ASH List. Let me know, I still collecting names to send out the other bits o' info to. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of ASH/Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - Keeper of Coats & Ties "Hi,Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head..." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:00:57, -0500 From: UQFJ91A@prodigy.com (MR MARK A WENTWORTH) Subject: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack "The Pack", is in my opinion, the best BtVS non-vamp episode because: 1) It was well directed; 2) well acted; and 3) delves into matter of how and how not to act upon one's true feelings. "Hey, I should be use to rejection: Since I get so much of it." Xander Harris, former loser. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:23:21 PDT From: "Ivy Snitzer" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Questions ok i would just like to point out that xander also said alot of stuff he didn't mean to Wil when he was in the cage so my guess is that he senced that Buff was about to kick his ass and tried to apeal to her romantic side and he didn't really give it much other thought through fortunes untold and hardships unumbered i have fought my way here to the castle beyond the goblin city to take back the child you have stolen for my will is as strong as yours and my kingdom as great you have no power over me! IVY: keeper of xanders english text book ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Willow Locker Blooper? Hi all, Rewatching "Teacher's Pet" and Willow had a locker on the lower level, but I was sure in other eps it was on the top level cause the pic of Alyson and Tony was at head level, not at thigh level. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of ASH/Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - Keeper of Coats & Ties "Hi,Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head..." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: "The Witch" Not "Teacher's Pet" In my last message "Willow Locker Blooper" I got the eps wrong, I mean "The Witch" but said "Teacher's Pet" Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of ASH/Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - Keeper of Coats & Ties "Hi,Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head..." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:01:22 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Webpage for Master's Undead Questions Since I feel responsibility for resurrecting many of the Master's Undead Questions, the least I could do is collate the list I originally sent out with suggestions and Undead items that have risen up since then and post them to the web. It is done: http://www.wco.com/~cybrpaws/undeadq.html Be you warned that I have only questions, not answers (Socrates would be proud). Some of these questions have sucked up weeks of our time in the answering only to stare at us afterwards with their sickening toothless grins, still unanswered. I will keep the questions current at this location, and you may always use this as a questions reference (I may even try to improve its appearance). If brave souls among you (such as Daniel?) would dare try to collect and post *answers* for the more answerable ones, then please do! Buffy Be with You, Lisa "And with this salmon, I thee do slay!" - from the theologically enhanced version of BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:56:23 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Questions At 01:17 PM 8/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Xander's line was: "...until Willow stops telling me that I can settle >with anyone but you". He was talking about how Willow says that he >should forget Buffy and date other people, not date Willow. > Actually, I believe it was, "...and tell Willow to stop fooling herself, that I could settle with anyone but you." It sounds pretty clear to me that Xander knows Willow has a thing for him. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:58:51 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Future Character development (Was:Clowns) At 03:49 PM 8/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >I feel kind of strange bringing this up to the group- but I've noticed a >lot of cross references with Xena in passing conversation. I think it >is a great comparison (cause lets face it, they both kick some serious >ass [literally and otherwise] all the time!) >miss hayse > I think it was pretty inevitable that Xena would come up in conversation over Buffy. After all, they're both in sci-fi genre shows (okay, one's horror and one's fantasy, but it still falls under 'sci-fi'), female heroines, and both shows are very popular. It's easy to find oneself comparing the shows because of the similarities between the main characters. Heck, there's even a x-over fanfic or two out there. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Member** ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:39:20 PDT From: "Ivy Snitzer" Subject: re: BUFFY: he's an animal! yes, yes, yes, and yes Xander is the sexiest guy on the show well I think he actually ties for sexiest with Angel > >Just wondering- with all this talk about the Pack, are there any others >that thought Xander as a bad guy (animal) looked really good and became >a lot sexier? >Just a thought >miss hayse > > through fortunes untold and hardships unumbered i have fought my way here to the castle beyond the goblin city to take back the child you have stolen for my will is as strong as yours and my kingdom as great you have no power over me! IVY: keeper of xanders english text book ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Edesk Subject: Re: BUFFY: Webpage for Master's Undead Questions I am a steadfast lurker and sometime contributor to the xmission buffy list. I would love to provide a home for the Annotated Undead Questions, and have been planning to do so since Lisa originally posted her list last week. (If it just wasn't for this job and these classes to finish up!) Now she has really put the pressure on to get something up! I will post the url by this weekend for a page that will have the Undead Questions, with answers culled or derived from the various postings and digests. In the meantime, the more Buffy on the web the better, as far as I'm concerned, and if anyone else wants to also do their own Undead FAQ page, I look forward to seeing it. Bye for now. Edesk edesk@world.std.com ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #251 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.