From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #302 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Thursday, September 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 302 In this issue: BUFFY: Monsters, monsters, monsters! (Slight TV Guide Spoilers) Re: BUFFY: WSWB quote list (SPOILERS) Re: BUFFY: Opening Credits Re: BUFFY: Ep 3 contradiction Re: BUFFY: Was it chocolate? And other notes... Re: BUFFY: BUFFY premier Spoiler Re: BUFFY: Re: SPOILER: Answr to a Xander Question Re: BUFFY: Re: SPOILER: Answr to a Xander Question and Multiple Responses Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Dance Re: BUFFY: Spoilers: Opener Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Dance BUFFY: buffy merchandise? Re: BUFFY: InStyle Mag. Re: BUFFY: Erm...How many SPOILERS? Re: BUFFY: Official Buffy web site BUFFY: ADMIN: Netiquette BUFFY: ADMIN: List rules BUFFY: Seventeen BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #301? Re: BUFFY: Spoilers: Opener BUFFY: KTLA Preview and WGN Cubbies Re: BUFFY: WSWB, Erm...How many SPOILERS? Re: BUFFY: When She Was Bad Re: BUFFY: When She Was Bad Re: BUFFY: "No more mail" Blues (was: Season Premiere) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:03:51 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Monsters, monsters, monsters! (Slight TV Guide Spoilers) *Slight TV Guide Spoilers for upcoming episodes* I've tried to avoid reading the TV Guide descriptions that some of you have been posting, yet I couldn't help but notice a few things. Looks like we may have Frankenstein and Mummy type monsters coming up soon. This makes me very happy. This is Joss's Buffy trademark. He takes old cliched horror movie monsters and throws them into darkly humorous tales of high school social acceptance and sexual angst. We were worried about a "Bufferly Hills 90210." But sexual tension and teen social approval (both staples of 90210) were *essential* to nearly every successful Buffy monster story last season. As long as Joss keeps dredging up all the old monsters to run through his weird 90's high school hormone mill, I will never fear. May he never run out of cliched monsters. (I'm ready to suggest a few, Joss!). Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:10:50 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: WSWB quote list (SPOILERS) >At first i thought that Cord was talking about emotional stains but them >Ms. C's comment let me realize that this conversation had been going on >for awhile and that Cord was really talking about dry cleaning. She was >being her usual superficial self. I thought it was cool how Joss tried to >trick us I pretty darn sure that this scene was fabricated to make the viewers think that Cordelia was speaking about her own personal, emotional stains at the beginning of the dialogue. It turned out to be the same, typical Cordelia joke, however, when she began to speak about dry-cleaning. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:13:50 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Opening Credits >Perhaps they will >pull it all apart and reassemble it as the season progresses. >Probably they've had more pressing concerns up to this point. > >Lisa > I think I'd favor this process, because the series of clips from the opening credits last season let us guess at to which episodes each of the shots came from. Heck, some people even crafted web pages for that express purpose! Did anyone else notice that they added a crossbow sound to one of the last frames from season one? }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Wagster Subject: Re: BUFFY: Ep 3 contradiction > been more reliable than TV Guide) lists as the episode as "'School Hard': > Parent-teacher night is disrupted by uninvited guests". This sounds > obviously like Die Hard in a school. Doesn't sound like it has anything I don't care what order it's in, this just sounds really cool! Parent-Teacher night is hellish enough as it is, having it interrupted by a bunch of vampires (or whatever) is more than I could handle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:24:10 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Was it chocolate? And other notes... She has no more sympathy >for them after last season, and probably doesn't view them as human. I DON'T >think it was the right thing to do, but I don't think she'll be torturing any >more vampires. I don't think anyone in the Buffyverse views vampires as human. Perhaps resembling the humans they once were, but that's about it. Vampires are monsters, plain and simple. I think the real issue here, is that it was a little out of character for Buffy to be ok with torturing anyone or anything, and that *the act* was possibly not the right thing to do. Vampires, on the other hand, deserve whatever is coming to them. They're demons, after all, and I wouldn't be the first one not to show them any pity. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:27:03 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: BUFFY premier Spoiler >XANDER: "OK, that's just about enough!" > >OK, am I the only one who would have liked to have seen that scene played out >without the intervention of Principal Snyder? What else would Xander have >said to Buffy? Just a thought. > I felt a little cheated when Snyder interrupted, myself, but, as we all know, that was neither the time nor the place for the Slayerettes to shatter their friendship with the Slayer into itty-bitty pieces. To add to the whole ongoing discussion of Xander's love for Willow, I think this shows how deep it goes. He saw Willow get *hurt*, right in front of his own eyes, and he was compelled to act, not just because Buffy was being a 'bitca'. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:45:18 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: SPOILER: Answr to a Xander Question Since they were under orders to hurry back with >Giles and Willow, none of them bothered to go over and make >sure that the human who'd been tossed over to the other side >of the room really was dead. Okay, I'll buy this. They could have feasibly just tossed Xander across the room when he tried to intervene, and *thunk* he was knocked out. What I guessed is that he might have tried to put up a little bit more of a fight, and that it was conceivable that one of the retreating vampires could have sucked him dry in about ten seconds (it seemed that's how fast Luke was doing it. As vampires grow older, do they suck faster? Did we ever see the Master fully drain anyone?). But he was treated like another piece of discarded furniture. No real threat. The new "Xander Easy-Chair"! Made for the Willow in you! }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:56:05 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: SPOILER: Answr to a Xander Question and Multiple Responses >1) Contrary to the opinion of a growing number of women in our happy Buffy >family, maybe Xander just doesn't taste good. He *was* bleeding quite >profusely from the nose. Perhaps one of the vamps dipped a finger in that >sweet red gravy and protested, "ugh! Too salty/bitter/much MSG/etc." hence >prompting them to leave him unmolested. > Maybe it's due to all that chocolate he eats. It's no wonder we never see vampires mixing blood with ovaltine. >"It's me you want, isn't it? It's always been me." --Lust in the Dust. >"You aren't too bright, are you? I like that in a man." --Body Heat. >"If you're gonna be sticking something in your mouth, you may as well make >it the best." --The Fabulous Baker Boys. > How about "Get in there you big furry oaf! I don't care what you smell!"-- Star Wars. Okay, maybe that wasn't the best one to propose... >Am I seeing another list forming? Movie Quotes Willow Should have Asked, >perhaps? Oh, you are an evil, evil man. The only marginally less malevolent and twisted, }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:04:59 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Dance >The girl was emotionally bouncing off the walls. So as far as >the dance goes--- it is obvious that that behavior was done to anger >Angel-- and what Buffy was fighting was FEAR- fear of losing control >again. Am I the only one who is still marginally convinced that Buffy's strange behavior was not only because of her trauma but also because of some spiritual link with the Master that needed to be broken along with the bones? Throughout the episode, Buffy would stare off into space, or in one instance, she stared a little *too* long at the tree, and I also got the feeling that when she discovered the Master's grave had been excavated, her glimpse of the Master out of the corner of her eye was more than just her mind playing tricks on her. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there were just some things in the premiere that seemed a little too harsh or strange for Buffy's personality to be solely due to biological/emotional afflictions. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:09:33 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoilers: Opener >I agree this was *not* a flirtatious moment. And neither was the dance >with Xander, IMHO. They were both instances of Buffy trying to >push people away, to isolate herself. Yet there can be no denying the fact that Buffy was using her sexual attractiveness and power over the two men as a tool to get at them. So, she was flirtatious in a way, just in the wrong way. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pale54499@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Dance << Am I the only one who is still marginally convinced that Buffy's strange behavior was not only because of her trauma but also because of some spiritual link with the Master that needed to be broken along with the bones? >> Your not alone. I feel as you do that Buffy was possibly linked to the master. Her strange actions throughout the show were even too strange for her. I thought about the possible connection and thought at first the master somehow lived on in her or in someway was able to control or induce her actions. As the show progressed that thought changed and I like you felt that somehow the bones had to be destroyed for her to get somewhat normal again. Hopefully if that was the case the old Buffy will return..soon. Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi Obedencio Subject: BUFFY: buffy merchandise? Hi, I was just wondering if there's any buffy merchandise available on the web or if there will be any official merchandise coming out. anne marie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:27:00 PDT From: "Courtney Nelson" Subject: Re: BUFFY: InStyle Mag. I would love to have a copy of the pics. PLEASE send them to me, it would be greatly appreciated! Courtney >MacyMarvin@aol.com wrote: >> >> I've scanned the pictures from the mag already. But I don't have enough >> space left on my page right now to post them. Until then if anyone wants >> them let me know and I'll send them to you. They're the actual size and high >> quality. >> Rene From the desk of The Halo... The Halo http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6383/ Ring of Angels http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6383/ring.html The Xander Files http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6383/xfring.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: Erm...How many SPOILERS? On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Amanda wrote: > Um, why dies everyone seem to think this was Buffy's way of inviting > Xander into some sexy rendez-vous. First off- if she had been wouldn't she > have waited for him to meet her outside the Bronze. She was totally > leaving without any thoughts of him foloowing. Hence- there was no > invitation given. Well, I think the scene was subtle, and we can all spin out possible motivations for Buffy 'til the vampires come home. But let me try again. Sure, maybe Buffy got all made up, went out to the Bronze, and forced herself to dance with Xander just so she could entice him and leave him high and dry. There must be easier ways to make Xander feel like garbage. Buffy was definitely having her own fun, maybe a bit insensitively, but I see worse behavior at bars all the time. Maybe she didn't intend an immediate invitation, but from her come-ons a guy could easily have thought that. And if Xander were adventurous, he might have followed her. I'm not sure why some think that Xander is so fragile that Buffy would think an extravagant tease would produce emotional devastation worth the effort. That seems to reflect a really low opinion of Xander among his fans, which surprises me. If I thought a girl was so self-involved that she thought she could scar me by doing something so outlandish, I'd probably bust a gut laughing about it. And Xander is a strong dude. I think Cordelia's part is a key to understanding the sequence. There is no question she has acted worse toward guys than Buffy did without thinking twice. She's not going to go running out into the street over Xander! But she does get along with Willow (see, Prophecy Girl), and Willow's the only one we KNOW is emotionally at risk. Cordy sees Willow hurt, gets upset, runs after Buffy. OK, jibes with common sense, happens all the time. Women are protective of each others' feelings - the men's feelings can take care of themselves. You ladies out there know it's true. Other interpretations are fine with me. This just happens to be mine. jb "Do you think I want to go to the dance and watch you wishing you were with her? No thanks." Willow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:21:35 -0700 From: Mark Safransky Subject: Re: BUFFY: Official Buffy web site M.S. wrote: > Speaking of the buffy website quiz, has anyone ever won anything from it? > Does anyone know what the prizes even are? There is someone on AOL who won the second quiz and received a cool black t-shirt with an embroidered Buffy the Vampire Slayer logo on it. - -- Mark Safransky x-lander@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/8185/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:53:48 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: Netiquette NETIQUETTE In addition to the list rules, there are some netiquette conventions we are asking people to observe. 1. At a minimum please sign and put your email address at the bottom of the post. Some people's mailers strip out header information. 2. Be aware that the default reply to for the list is to buffy@xmission.com. It's very easy to send a post meant to go private to the list by accident because of this. Check your reply to: headers very carefully. 3. Don't send test posts to the list. Send a regular post with buffy content instead--it will provide the same information and won't clutter up the list. 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Not only will it make us happy to not have to deal with bounces, it'll probably make your ISP happy as well. 2. Local configuration problems Sometimes an ISP goes down for no reason for a while, and we will receive bounces from an address. Your best bet is to contact customer support when that happens, then res*bscribe to the list once the problem is cleared up. IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN UNS*BBED Take the following steps in the order in which they appear if you think you've been uns*bbed for bouncing. 1. Send a message to majordomo@xmission.com with s*bscribe buffy (or buffy-digest) in the body. If you are s*bscribed, you'll get a message back telling you that you are. If you have been uns*bscribed, this will start the process to get you back onto the list. 2. Contact me (romana@mindspring.com) or Jill (jtkirby@mcs.com) for help. We will do what we can ASAP to help you out. 3. DO NOT send a test message to the list. You may send a buffy-related post to the list to test, but not a test message. If you have any questions or problems, please check out http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html. These pages contain information about the buffy list. Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) & sah (romana@mindspring.com) Listowners, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mailing List (buffy@xmission.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:53:49 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: List rules There've been slight revisions regarding masking and spoiler protectin. The address to post messages to the list is BUFFY@XMISSION.COM. There's a list information page set up at http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html. The buffy FAQ can be found at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1763/buffyfaq.html. Please check it out ASAP--Cagey has done a wonderful job with it and it will answer a bunch of your questions about the show and fandom. 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If you're subscribed to the digest version, and want to change to regular mail, do the opposite-- unsub from buffy-digest, and resub to buffy. sah (romana@mindspring.com) & Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) Listowners, Buffy Mailing List ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:17:59 -0700 From: Mary Subject: BUFFY: Seventeen Hi everyone! First of all, I have to say I loved the season premiere, but no spoilers here. In the October issue of Seventeen, a teenage fashin mag like Teen and Ym, there are 2 mentions of Buffy. On page 46, in Fall forecast, it has the new pic of SMG that I think everyone should have seen by now, and it talks about her 'look' for the new season. Here is the article: Buffy{aka Sarah Michelle Gellar} in Buffy The Vampire Slayer The plot: Vampires beware, Buffy's got a killer new look this season. First, there's the new cut: a funky, golden-blond bob that Sarah got last summer for Scream II{how appropiate}. In fact Buffy stylist, Jeri Baker, liked the look so much that she decided not to change a thing for the TV show. New on the scene, though, will be Buffy's makeup: Chanel's Beige du Chanel lipstick{layered with frosty glosses from Stila} and Hard Candy's Peachy pastel nail color will attract lots of red-blooded attention all season long{but don't worry, Buffy can handle it}. Prime-time tips: To protect Sarah's hair from daily heat styling, Jeri always starts by spritzing on a protective conditioner{Neutrogena HeatSafe}. Makeup artist Todd MacIntosh defines Sarah's brows with an artist's ebony graphite pencil. "It's a tried-and-true TV-makeup trick," explains Todd, who adds a few different-colored brown pencils over the gray for dimension. Sarah's pastel makeup looks more dramatic when black liner is added to her upper lashes. Then on page 149, there's this thing called role call, and it says: Buffy the Vampire Slayer{The WB} brings in bloodsuckers Spike and Drusilla{James Marsters and Juliet Landau, respectively}. It has some stuff on other shows, talking about new characters on them. I haven't seen anyone mention Seventeen yet, so I thought I'd share this with y'all. Dawn Proud BABSer Proud Slayerette Secretary of Willites Keeper of Angel's Window Shades Secretary of Buffaholics Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:17:25 -0400 From: Bufffan@webtv.net (Gary) Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #301? Why is this still Volume 1? With the start of the second season the digest should now be in its second volume. Don'tcha think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:35:13 -0500 (CDT) From: templar Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoilers: Opener On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Virginia Eveland wrote: > I was hoping our new 'preacher' would stick around for awhile... > I just was thinking, here's this nice intelligent (well, for a vampire) > creature, so why did he RUSH the Slayer who had a nice > pointy object waiting? Actually, Absalon (and the other vampire) started charging Buffy while her hands were empty. She grabbed the torch *after* they began their "rush". Okay, I'm being picky... but you *did* ask! :) Dave (templar@sound.net) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:46:35 -0700 From: Andrew Kerdchana Subject: BUFFY: KTLA Preview and WGN Cubbies Two things: 1. Don't you think it annoying (for those of you who watch buffy on KTLA) that every time they show the previews for Buffy's next week episode, they always block it with Kent Brockmans (or whatever) face? It just makes me mad when I sit there after two long commercials to see the preview only to see his face talking about the news thats going to be on in like 2 mins anyways, sheesh, on WGN they always show the previews for next week. 2. Don't you think its time that WGN starts playing Buffy on time instead of playing the cubbies game? No offense to those die hard cubbies fans out there, but the Cubbies don't have a chance at going to the playoffs, and it would be better for the WGN ratings to go ahead and show buffy anways, (I think) most people are upset because they miss Buffy due to a cubs game, but since the cubs aren't going anywhere, I figure they should play buffy (especially the new episodes). I'm spoiled I get to watch both KTLA and WGN. Thats my 2 cents. (actually thats my only 2 cents so I guess thats both of my cents?) -Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:57:09 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: WSWB, Erm...How many SPOILERS? I'm lovin' it, this could be our first UNDEAD QUESTION of the new season! At 11:29 PM 9/17/97 -0400, James Bjorkman wrote: >Sure, maybe Buffy got all made up, went out to the Bronze, and forced >herself to dance with Xander just so she could entice him and leave him >high and dry. There must be easier ways to make Xander feel like garbage. But you're assuming it was premeditated. She may have been in a punchy mood, saw Xander standing there, and thought "I'm gonna mess with his head." Just like she tried to pick a fight with Angel. >Maybe she didn't intend an >immediate invitation, but from her come-ons a guy could easily have >thought that. And if Xander were adventurous, he might have followed her. After the cold water she threw on him with that line, and walking out on him? He may have been a little slow in this episode, but not that slow. He still knows when he's been humiliated. >I'm not sure why some think that Xander is so fragile that Buffy >would think an extravagant tease would produce emotional devastation worth >the effort. That seems to reflect a really low opinion of Xander among >his fans, which surprises me. Are you kidding? Given how much he loves and trusts her? To have her lure him in and betray him like that shouldn't devastate him? IMO, I would have a low opinion of Xander if I thought he *wouldn't* be shaken up by such a thing! >If I thought a girl was so self-involved >that she thought she could scar me by doing something so outlandish, I'd >probably bust a gut laughing about it. And Xander is a strong dude. She's not just "a girl." She's Buffy, the love of his life. And she normally doesn't do stuff like this, so he's gonna take her seriously and not laugh about it. With Cordy, he'd be wary. But he absolutely trusts Buffy (for good reason until now). >I think Cordelia's part is a key to understanding the sequence. There >is no question she has acted worse toward guys than Buffy did without >thinking twice. She's not going to go running out into the street over >Xander! Sure she would. Xander's part of the "loser" friends that Buffy's alienating. Cordy did say "friends," plural. Even if she didn't like Xander, she knows both Xander and Willow are really important to Buffy. Besides, after fighting alongside him in PG, Cordy may like Xander better than before (even if she doesn't admit it to her snob friends). These discussions are brutal. Gawd, I love 'em! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:17:02 -0500 (CDT) From: templar Subject: Re: BUFFY: When She Was Bad On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 Pale54499@aol.com wrote: > I wrote something yesterday about SMG losing so much weight. No one really > responded. In a way she looks somewhat sickly... After watching the episode > another couple of times I really am worried. Did anyone other than myself > notice this? It looks to me more like Sarah has burned a little bodyfat off (not that she really had any *excess* to burn before), but that she's probably *gained* a few pounds of muscle. Look at the workout scene in the library again, especially when she's working on the Wing Chun dummy; her arms and shoulders definitely look larger than last season. It's certainly not the `ripped' look of Linda Hamilton in `Terminator 2', but SMG has obviously been working out hard to get ready for this new season. Her martial arts skills have improved too; her kicks are noticebly cleaner and more precise. I think the "sickly" look you're worried about has to do with the emotional sickness that the character `Buffy' was going through, not with any actual health problems of SMG. Dave (templar@sound.net) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Smurf6942@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: When She Was Bad In a message dated 97-09-18 01:59:33 EDT, you write: << Maybe all of those people who were posting that stuff about the slayer not eating properly were right in a way. She really has lost quite a bit of weight. I don't know how long it was between the last episode was filmed and when they started to film the new season but I don't think it was enough time for her lose that much weight. >> That would be me, but it was just a joke. I guess I was closer to the truth than I thought. I don't think that we have anything to worry about just yet, though. Keep in mind, that SMG has been working a lot this summer. While we have been totaly disecting each episode of BtVS, she has been working on TWO new movies for us to enjoy. Now I don't know about acting, but when I have to work a lot of overtime, I ocassionally miss a meal here and there, too. Let's just wait awhile, before we start to get really concerned. - -----Smurf Smurf 6942@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:38:44 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: "No more mail" Blues (was: Season Premiere) At 08:44 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Britt1975@aol.com wrote: >5. Am I the only one on here that gets very depressed when I get to the end >of my mail list? It's like when you get done opening all of your presents at >Christmas.... I think I need help. Talk to ya'll later. I feel something like that too. Often I gripe about about much Buffy mail I get. But whenever I finally read through the last piece, and my click of the "next" button throws me out to the main screen, I feel a certain emptiness, sometimes a sadness. There's nothing more to look forward to. Hmmm, perhaps this should be another symptom of BAD (Buffy Addictive Disorder)? Lisa View all the Symptoms of Buffy Addictive Disorder at: http://www.wco.com/~cybrpaws/bad.html ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #302 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.