Return-Path: From: owner-buffy-digest@xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V1 #419 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@xmission.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:04:48 -0700 buffy-digest Thursday, November 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 419 In this issue: BUFFY: Buffy being Cancelled? BUFFY: What's up with Oz's Van? BUFFY: Potential for EW cover (was SMG on Rolling Stone; January movie) Re: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY-Lie to Me Re: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY-Lie to Me Re[2]: BUFFY: RE: the vampire wannabes Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re[2]: BUFFY: Lie to Me too dark? (SPOILERS) Re: Re[2]: BUFFY: RE: the vampire wannabes Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re[2]: BUFFY: Lie to me, Oh WOW!!!!! Re[2]: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re[3]: BUFFY: Lie to Me too dark? (SPOILERS) Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun RE: BUFFY: Re: Lie to me, oh WOW!!!!! (LTM) Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re[2]: BUFFY: Alas, poor Fordy (SPOILERS for "Lie to Me") Re: BUFFY: Where is Sarah?!!! (was: Allyson, too!!!!) Re: BUFFY: Buffy being Cancelled? Re: BUFFY: Lie to Me **Spoilers** Re[2]: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Re: BUFFY: Lie To Me quote list (2/3) Re: BUFFY: What's up with Oz's Van? Re: BUFFY: The Stolen Book (was Two Part Episode Info (Spoilers)) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 02:00:08 -0800 From: OMS Subject: BUFFY: Buffy being Cancelled? Okay, I don't write on here much, mainly just an observer, but when I heard this one all I could think about was getting the "grapevine" answer. I heard that our beloved Buffy is being cancelled from the WB. True or False. Don't tell me what I wanna here ppl, We need the truth. Even tho sometimes it hurts and in this case would kill me and I'm sure everyone on this list. I'm not saying that what I heard was fact or fiction, nor am I classifying it as a "Rumor", but when I heard it I felt pain, evil evil pain. 'nough babbling, I or we need the truth... Is it another Family Matters and Step by Step case or what? In Great & Almighty Buffyness, Oldman Stauf - - Keeper of Buffy's Training Outfit Keeper of Buffy's Pink MiniSkirt Outfit * Hey, I like her outfits among other things :) * - - Cordelia: "I have to go home now. I have to take a bath and burn my clothes." Xander: "You have to go? Aw, too bad. Keep in touch. Buh-bye!" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:51:16 -0800 From: preta@earthlink.net (Preta) Subject: BUFFY: What's up with Oz's Van? . >Sorry if this has been asked already. Did anyone notice that the drivers side >in Oz's van was on the right side instead of the left? Isn't that illegal in >the US or something? ::::::clueless when it comes to cars:::::::: A very logical explaination is that the editor/neg. cutter flipped the film by accident. It happens. Preta preta@earthlink.net ******************************************************************************** To enter one's own self, it is necessary to go armed to the teeth.--Paul Valery - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:01:40 -0500 (EST) From: JRoseHale@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Potential for EW cover (was SMG on Rolling Stone; January movie) In a message dated 97-11-05 10:18:32 EST, ahufan1@uic.edu writes: << I propose that we band together and bombard the Entertainment Weekly offices with letters requesting a cover story on their fave show as well as ours. >> I am all over that like a cheap suit. EW has embraced Buffy pretty well, but every little bit of encouragement helps. I don't ask much--just a gorgeous-as-all-get-out cover (can we get a sleeveless Xander?) and, uh ... did I mention the gorgeous cover? ;-) Cast and powers-that-be profiles--I'd especially like to read interviews with Alyson and Joss. They could tie in a little blurb on the original movie--maybe run their original review of the movie when it came out? Boy ... I missed my calling. Jennifer Hale jrosehale@aol.com (Did I mention the gorgeous cover photo?) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY-Lie to Me On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, kendy wrote: > I was thinking that this was just a little forshadowing...did y'all > notice how xander was staring at her with that dopy look on his face? > Kind of a "I hate her but why am I so fascinated with her" kind of look? I did not see that at all. Do girls really think that look is one of interest? Geez, I can get that look on my face any old time, pretty much whenever certain people open their mouths. Maybe now I can be a babe magnet! > Or maybe I'm all screwed up and it was more like a "I can't believe what > the nonsense that is actually coming out of her mouth, what an idiot" > kind of look...they're easy to mix up, you know ;) Yeah, I'd go with this one. I mean, what was coming out of her mouth WAS utter nonsense. Anyone who gets oppressed and depressed confused deserves to go back to Third Grade. Or maybe Second (those Third graders are real tigers these days!). It was just an over-the-top scene, kind of a history-on-a-good-buzz bit. And I hate those. I'm not going to rant about this much more, but I thought the Cordelia scene was good only if you really hate Cordelia (which I don't) or at least don't particularly like her. It's the same typical Joss trick as making Diego (which means James, btw, so I'll reveal all my biases up front!) and crew look and speak like total morons. This might work for people who think that those types really ARE total morons, which personally I have no problem with, but the sheer obviousness of it all kind of offended me anyway. Sure, skewer them if you want, but with subtlety! Btw, has anyone else noticed that there hasn't been much or any smoking on the show since Spike appeared? Even by Spike? Interesting. jb - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:39:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Grace M. Lee" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY-Lie to Me On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, James Bjorkman wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, kendy wrote: > > > I was thinking that this was just a little forshadowing...did y'all > > notice how xander was staring at her with that dopy look on his face? > > Kind of a "I hate her but why am I so fascinated with her" kind of look? Along with James, I would go with your second explanantion of the scene. If you notice, it's sort of the same look he gets on his face the last time that Cordelia says self-important stuff in class -- I think, in "Invisible Girl." > I did not see that at all. Do girls really think that look is one of > interest? Geez, I can get that look on my face any old time, pretty much > whenever certain people open their mouths. Maybe now I can be a babe magnet! Work it, James! That look of gaping and total disbelief always turns me on! ;) glee - ------ Xander: To read makes our speaking English good. - "I Robot, You Jane" Buffy the Vampire Slayer - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:31:02 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: RE: the vampire wannabes I tend to like the idea that Spike has enough honor to keep his word on this. Ford delivered, Spike delivered. It was probably made easier for Spike knowing that Ford would be buried in the cemetary and Buffy would be waiting when he rose. I suppose if he had *liked* Ford he could have taken away the body and kept it safe--maybe even had a hot meal ready for him! Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:26:55 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun I was wondering myself about how Angel got at Dru--a convent is holy ground, and he could not pass there. Besides, it's a dwelling, and he would NOT be invited in. But, hey, I think I've got it figured out. He *burned down the convent*. When the sisters were fleeing into the night, he grabbed Dru. Remaining trickiest part would have been the cross she was wearing, but I get the notion that he could work around that if she was not actively resisting--he'd just have to avoid touching it. Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:37:31 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Lie to Me too dark? (SPOILERS) You said: >>I agree that this episode was rather serious. What I thought was most >>haunting was Giles' *lying* to buffy at the end. It was beautifully written >>by the way. It was almost poetic. "The good guys are always stalwart and >>true..." I really can't explain what made it so powerful, and maybe i'm >>alone on this, but it really shook me up. I totally agree. Just for one minute he was telling her what they both wanted to hear, and they both knew it wasn't true. It was heartbreaking. Not everyone agrees; it's nice to know I'm not alone on this. Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:46:01 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: Re[2]: BUFFY: RE: the vampire wannabes > It was probably made easier for Spike knowing that Ford would be > buried in the cemetary and Buffy would be waiting when he rose. It cost Spike nothing, and gives him the reputation of someone who keeps their word. Robert Huff - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:50:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun > But, hey, I think I've got it figured out. > > He *burned down the convent*. When the sisters were > fleeing into the night, he grabbed Dru. A) the entire grounds of the convant are not usually consecrated, any more that the rectory of a modern church is. Chapel yes; dormitory no. B) Let's say it was. Burning down the buildings would have no effect on it being holy _ground_. C) Pretty gutsy move for a vampire to play with fire .... Robert Huff - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:58:16 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Lie to me, Oh WOW!!!!! Robert Huff said: >>Though potent in his own right Angel has a _much_ more important >>function - intelligence gathering. You are so right. That's been Angel's job from the beginning; knowing what was going on and warning Giles/Buffy. Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:04:47 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Dru as a nun A) It may not all be consecrated (are you *sure*?), but it's still all a dwelling, IMHO. B) If their compound were burned, the nuns would run, probably panicked. C) Angel has never lacked in guts, besides, he sure wasn't going to let her get away at this point! Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 06:58:06 GMT From: "Dan Fields" Subject: Re[3]: BUFFY: Lie to Me too dark? (SPOILERS) I think it will be serious episodes like this one that will bring in reviews and along with reviews come viewiers. this is the future of Buffy ... not all episodes mind you but many to come... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Lie to Me too dark? (SPOILERS) Author: at Internet Date: 11/6/97 08:37 You said: >>I agree that this episode was rather serious. What I thought was most >>haunting was Giles' *lying* to buffy at the end. It was beautifully written >>by the way. It was almost poetic. "The good guys are always stalwart and >>true..." I really can't explain what made it so powerful, and maybe i'm >>alone on this, but it really shook me up. I totally agree. Just for one minute he was telling her what they both wanted to hear, and they both knew it wasn't true. It was heartbreaking. Not everyone agrees; it's nice to know I'm not alone on this. Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:14:26 -0600 (CST) From: gryphon@execpc.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, preta@earthlink.net (Preta) wrote: > So I must wonder about Dru and her hair (a wig) It grew back? > and how Angel got to her He climbed over the convent wall in the dead of night? > And then how did Angel navigate her wimple and gimp? He munched on her while she was asleep, in her cell (room) at the convent (which, IIRC, she would have gotten once she became a professed sister). Until then, she'd have been in the novice dormitory with all the other novices, right? So that was really his first "easy" shot at her... Diane E "There's a demon in the internet." Giles to Ms. Callender, _I Robot, You Jane_ # D Echelbarger gryphon@execpc.com # # WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:32:20 -0800 From: preta@earthlink.net (Preta) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun >> He *burned down the convent*. When the sisters were fleeing into the >>night, >>he grabbed Dru. >the entire grounds of the convant are not usually consecrated, any more >that >the rectory of a modern church is. Chapel yes; dormitory no. A great mind picture, the motherhouse in flames. Anyway, dormitories are blessed, if not exactly consecrated. Lots of crosses, one over each bed and some in the halls. Dru would have felt safe from him. Poor thing. Preta preta@earthlink.net ******************************************************************************** To enter one's own self, it is necessary to go armed to the teeth.--Paul Valery - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:34:44 -0600 (CST) From: gryphon@execpc.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com wrote: >a convent is holy ground, and he could not pass there. According to who? The Master was *living* in a church that had been buried by an earthquake, remember? Churches are generally consecrated places. So are some cemetaries. We have no evidence that I can recall that "holy ground" is an impediment to Buffyverse vampires. > Besides, it's a dwelling, and he would NOT be invited in. Scenario: Dru is asleep in her bed. Someone knocks on (she thinks) her door. She starts up, calling "Come in!" out of habit... and Angel busts through the wooden shutters on her window and has supper. Or he could have snatched her as she walked back to the church from the dormitory for the service at Prime. (shortly after midnight, for those of you unfamiliar with such things) He's a big, strapping vamp. He could have had her over his shoulder and both of them over the convent wall before the Sisters had time to do more than cross themselves. > Remaining trickiest part would have been the cross she was wearing Rip it from her neck by the cord or ignore it, the way he ignored Buffy's during that kiss. And ditto to the impedimentia of her "nun suit". Rip, toss, bite, done. Hmmm... gotta wonder, though... did Angel *intend* to make her a vamp, or did she, maybe, bite him as she was trying to get away and get just enough of his blood in her mouth to convert her after he was done munching? Diane E "There's a demon in the internet." Giles to Ms. Callender, _I Robot, You Jane_ # D Echelbarger gryphon@execpc.com # # WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 10:01:00 CST From: "GIBSON, TOBY (OLY FLDS)" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Re: Lie to me, oh WOW!!!!! (LTM) >1.) Who's to say Angel's part of the "wrong crowd." Angel loves Buffy and has saved her life many times throughout the last Buffyverse year. She loves him - she's not "infatuated" with him. Now, I'm not saying they have a perfect fairy tale romance... there are going to be hard times for these two, but it's not like she's under hypnosis here.< I just joined the list yesterday, so I'm not ready to start posting to the list yet but I had to jump in on this one. . I don't trust Angel. Never have, never will. You point out how he saved Buffy and such which is true, but you also have to admit he set her up a few times. It was the Codex that Angel brought to Giles, that expalined how she was going to die. As for "Vampicide" it seems quite a few vampires don't have a problem killing other vampires. Spike sent on of his to battle the slayer just so he could videotape the combat. He had no porblem watching his own die. And Angel is such a nice guy. He offered Spike Xander's neck. And what did he say? "I knew he would've bought my lie if he bit you" And he is mighty selective of which vampires he kills. Could it be he just wants certain ones out of the way so that he can someday be a "Master Vampire" What better way that befriending a slayer. Furthermore, we don't know the whole truth about Dru. We know he drove her insane but we don't know why. Could it be Dru and Angel also had a forbidden love, similar to the one he has with Buffy? Buffy as already mentioned that when he kisses her she wants to die. If Angel really loved her he would let her go. Do you think a man who will live forever will stay truely in love with a woman who will grow from a teenager to old woman and then die. What happens when Angel says, I know the spell that can give your soul back so you can be a vampire just like me. You can live forever but not be evil? Would Buffy take him up on it. Angel is truely evil, in the most deceptive kind of way. Somebody needs to slap Buffy a couple of times and get her to wake up before Xander and Willow have to stake their best freind. Giles is failing in his duties as the Watcher to let this relationship between Buffy and Angel continue. (all the these things are being worked into a little series i'm writing for the BuffyFiction group called "Howl" .. the first installement will show up there later on today.) Tobias - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:13:24 -0800 From: Sandra Fernandez Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun I wonder if Angel has the same ability as the Master to make people "spellbound" (for lack of a better word)? If he did, then he could "suggest" to someone, mentally, that he/she invite him in. That would take care of the invitation problem. At 9:34 AM -0600 11/6/97, Diane E wrote: >Hmmm... gotta wonder, though... did Angel *intend* to make her a vamp, >or did she, maybe, bite him as she was trying to get away and get just >enough of his blood in her mouth to convert her after he was done >munching? Angel said that Dru had been his obsession, so I think it was his goal to make her a vampire, if only to make her the opposite of that which she had chosen (a nun). Also, as a vampire, she would be bound to him forever, something she had fought against. _________________________________________________ sandra fern=E1ndez mailto:SFernandez@uh.edu personal website "When he is late for dinner and I know he must be either having an affair or lying dead in the street, I always hope he's dead." --judith viorst - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:07:14 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Alas, poor Fordy (SPOILERS for "Lie to Me") Robert wrote: >>Yes. There's a moment (I think in SAR) where Angel tells >>Buffy that "waking up" is a pretty harrowing experience. I think "disorienting" was the word Angel used. I also am really warming up to the idea that the longer-lived vampires have more intelligence, cunning, and patience. I sorta see newborn vamps as big bad hungry babies. If they hang around a while, they learn cunning, and as the demons become accustomed to inhabiting human bodies and having human memories, they become more human-like themselves. Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:11:57 -0800 From: Travis Illig Subject: Re: BUFFY: Where is Sarah?!!! (was: Allyson, too!!!!) >Latest update for the Shrine convention in LA this Sunday: Allyson has >agreed to join the event with Joss and Nick!!!! I would LOVE to go to this... unfortunately, these wonderful LA area shows don't terribly help the people in, say, Portland, Oregon too much. Out of curiosity, anyone know of any cons/appearances any cast member will be making somewhere OTHER than California? >But you know... I have never once seen Sarah advertised at any >of them. That is a curious point you bring up, Lisa. Especially with the introduction of IKWYDLS and such, you'd think she'd make a couple of appearances. I wonder if that'll happen... I think that, even if it was in CA, I'd probably take the time off and come down for it. Don't know that I could pass up the chance to see her in person. >She doesn't seem like an aloof William Shatner type to me OT a bit, but I've actually seen Shatner at a con and talked to him a bit. Seemed like a decent guy, and he tells stories fairly well. He may not make many appearances, but he DOES make them. Moving right along, - -Travis Illig padrino@cs.pdx.edu GASPer, Keeper of Giles's Headaches and Buffy's Joan Collins 'tude - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:22:04 -0500 From: garundel@bserv.com (garundel) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy being Cancelled? >I heard that our beloved Buffy is being cancelled from the WB. True or False. > >Don't tell me what I wanna here ppl, We need the truth. Even tho sometimes >it hurts and in this case would kill me and I'm sure everyone on this list. I'd say that since it has been signed on for 22 episodes this season that a rumor of cancelation would be just that. A rumor Grant Arundell garundel@bserv.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:34:12 -0800 From: Sandra Fernandez Subject: Re: BUFFY: Lie to Me **Spoilers** At 1:39 PM -0500 11/4/97, JW wrote: >Wow Xander went straight to Super-Jealous mode when Ford showed up, didn't >even >bother to warm up first. Did anyone else notice Xander's reaction to finding out that Angel was in Willow's bedroom? Was that because he doesn't trust Angel or just because he has a natural jealousy when it comes to his friends? >Finally the truth about Dru, >she's not old, or a past slayer, just a girl Angel had a thing for and >brought over. Wasn't it too cool to see that the vampires showed feelings? Angel confessing that he's so crazy over Buffy that jealousy is no longer a stranger to him, his guilt-ridden tenderness towards Dru in the park, Spike's jealousy at finding out that Dru and Angel had an encounter and his contrition at having hurt her feelings. We also see Spike worried about Dru, as always, and sacrificing his grandiose plans of getting the slayer to protect his love. Quick question: was Dru psychic before she was made a vampire and she just retained her powers? Her gift may have been why Angel was so obsessed with her. Or did she become psychic after she became a vapire because she was already off to begin with? The possibilities are just endless. >So Angel had a thing for a human, while a >vampire. I would think as a vamp he would just bite what he was interested >in, and wouldn't have an "obsession" with a human girl. If I remember my Buffy time-line correct, weren't Angel and Darla together at the time that he made Dru? I wonder how Darla reacted to that. I'm enjoying the added elements of Angel's dark past. It'll be interesting to see if there ever comes a time where Angel opposes Buffy. _________________________________________________ sandra fern=E1ndez mailto:SFernandez@uh.edu personal website "When he is late for dinner and I know he must be either having an affair or lying dead in the street, I always hope he's dead." --judith viorst - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:17:38 GMT From: "Dan Fields" Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: Dru as a nun i think the spellbound issue is incorrect i think you have to WILLINGLY= invite=20 them in and i think anything you do in a spellbound state is not willin= gly done Dan ______________________________ Reply Separator ________________________= _________ Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Author: Sandra Fernandez at Internet Date: 11/6/97 10:13 I wonder if Angel has the same ability as the Master to make people=20 "spellbound" (for lack of a better word)? If he did, then he could "su= ggest"=20 to someone, mentally, that he/she invite him in. That would take care = of the=20 invitation problem. At 9:34 AM -0600 11/6/97, Diane E wrote: >Hmmm... gotta wonder, though... did Angel *intend* to make her a vamp,= =20 >or did she, maybe, bite him as she was trying to get away and get just= =20 >enough of his blood in her mouth to convert her after he was done=20 >munching? Angel said that Dru had been his obsession, so I think it was his goal = to=20 make her a vampire, if only to make her the opposite of that which she = had=20 chosen (a nun). Also, as a vampire, she would be bound to him forever,= =20 something she had fought against. _________________________________________________ sandra fern=E1ndez mailto:SFernandez@uh.edu personal website "When he is late for dinner and I know he must be either having an affair or lying dead in the street, I always hope he's dead." --judith viorst - - = - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dru as a nun Ok, I've been wondering about all the inconsistancies in Angel's telling of the story: "Just before she took her holy vows, I turned her into a demon" (or something approximating that) On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Robert Huff wrote: > A) the entire grounds of the convant are not usually > consecrated, any more that the rectory of a modern church is. > Chapel yes; dormitory no. Are we sure that vampires have a problem with consecrated ground? I could be wrong, so if I am, just slap me upside the head, but in the first season, we saw Luke and Darla inside the mausoleum. Now, I'll but that the entire cemetary may not be consecrated, but the mausoleum should be. At least the coffin (that Luke threw Buffy into and them jumped in himself) should definately be. So , maybe that's not a problem at all. As for the hair shaving, Angel did say "just before" she took her vows. Maybe, from his point of view, a day or so before the ceremony counts as "just before". Therefore, maybe she hadn't shaved her hair off yet. This also solves the problem of "How did he get around her wimple?". Not a nun yet = no wimple yet. She is/was insane, so maybe she simply wandered away from the safety of the sisters' company and was grabbed at that point. Of course, this is all total speculation, but can't you see her, in her acolytes/novitiates (not sure of the term, bear with me, folks) gown, wandering into the darkness of the night singing softly to herself...I can almost hear th eerrie music starting. Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:36:25 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Lie To Me quote list (2/3) Betsy, I'd like to thank you for this valuable service you provide to all us buffyholics! Mia GASP-er -- Keeper of Giles Cold and Cruel Kick Ass Side I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's up with Oz's Van? Um, can this be something we lay to rest, please? Oz's van is a Volkswagon Vanagon with right hand drive, simple as that. Volkswagon has an assembly plant in Australia (where they drive on the left side of the road) in order to better (more economically) service that part of the world, including the Japanese market (where they also drive on the left side of the road). Even if the van were built in Germany, they still manufacture a certain number of vehicles with right hand drive for sale in England. This is true with most all European auto manufacturers, just as the opposite occurs with British and Japanese vehicles sold on the continent or in the US. Mike (PalOBuffys@aol.com) Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear & beeper - Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle - Spikes Peroxide Supply - Dru's Birdcage -&- Cordelia's gym bag & Polynesian Sarong (and the Cordelia Keeper's Page - http://members.aol.com/PalOBuffys/Cordelia) "When it comes to dating, I'm the slayer" Cordelia Chase to Buffy Summers, Halloween - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Stolen Book (was Two Part Episode Info (Spoilers)) In a message dated 97-11-06 05:53:17 EST, Julie wrote: << The book that was stolen from Giles and given to Spike must have some really big significant importance to upcoming storylines. >> I'm certain that it must. It could be anything from a book of spells potentially used against Buffy and the Slayerettes (as you've speculated), or it could be an attempt by Spike and Co. to thwart Giles ability to gain knowledge of upcoming vampiric events. It looked to large to be the Codex, didn't it? If it was Codex though, then our little group could be in for some big surprises! Then again, maybe Blondie the Vampire just didn't have a library card. Mike (PalOBuffys@aol.com) Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear & beeper - Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle - Spikes Peroxide Supply - Dru's Birdcage -&- Cordelia's gym bag & Polynesian Sarong (and the Cordelia Keeper's Page - http://members.aol.com/PalOBuffys/Cordelia) "When it comes to dating, I'm the slayer" Cordelia Chase to Buffy Summers, Halloween - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V1 #419 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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