From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #167 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Monday, March 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 167 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? Re: BUFFY: TV teens Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? BUFFY: Buffy: the College Years Re: BUFFY: Buffy the Murderess Re: BUFFY: SMG at Blockbuster Awards Re: Re: BUFFY: TV teens Re: BUFFY: TV teens Re: BUFFY: TV teens BUFFY: I need Fan Fic Re: BUFFY: I need Fan Fic BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #166 -- several topics BUFFY: Dawson Creek RE: BUFFY: RE: Allyson Hannigan on The Torkelsons Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? BUFFY: Filet Mignon and More! BUFFY: Stuff BUFFY: Joyce at the SAG awards BUFFY: Amy on the air Re: BUFFY: Dead languages and the living dead... RE: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? BUFFY: Giles + Joyce?? Re: BUFFY: Hellmouth University Re: BUFFY: SMG at Blockbuster Awards Re: BUFFY: Hellmouth University BUFFY: Did Xander Know? Re: BUFFY: Finale to Season One Re: BUFFY: Re: Dialogue and reality See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:04:30 EST From: Jyinyang Subject: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? In a message dated 98-03-08 17:41:01 EST, you write: << I still think it would have had more impact if Angelus had taunted Joyce with "since the night we had sex" instead of "the night we made love" >> Not necessarily. Angel wanted to carry off the image of a nice guy who wants buffy back, not some slimeball who picked up his daughter and had sex with her. He wanted her mother to be scared, not disgusted. It's easier to brush a sleazeball as opposed to a psycho. I think her mother was more disturbed by Angel's disposition rather than the fact that they had sex. I mean, sure, she didn't like the fact that her daughter was no longer a virgin but the fact that she gave her virginity to a guy who gives her mother the creeps just isn't very reassuring. Joce Jyinyang@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:16:23 EST From: Jyinyang Subject: Re: BUFFY: TV teens In a message dated 98-03-08 19:26:08 EST, you write: << I was just commenting that most teen shows (Boy Meets World, Dawson's Creek and others) are insulting to teens whereas shows like Buffy actually give teens a little credit. >> How does Dawson's Creek discredit teens? ObBuffy: Can you believe it's only been a year? Is Btvs only signed through next season as of now? Joce Jyinyang@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:31:37 -0500 From: Janis Subject: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? > But, I would have to call *Xander * the filet mignon and Angel the > Hamburger Helper. Then again, I think I would say Giles would be the > filet mignon. I'd have to say that Xander was lobster(w/extra > > dipping butter :-) ). I'm suddenly very glad I don't eat seafood! By the way, I love ground beef, so hamburger helper is fine with me! Isis - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:39:30 -0700 From: Kerowyn Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: the College Years Mark wrote: > What's troubling isn't that Buffy and Xander would end up in a local > university, but that Willow *wouldn't* end up at Cal Tech or Stanford > (or M.I.T., if she wanted to go east). I went to University of Colorado in Boulder, and I'm not so sure there wouldn't be a niche for each Slayerette at a big state school. The engineering school was considered very competitive, where the arts and sciences might be more to Xander's or Buffy's speed. I can totally see "Buffy: The College Years". Maybe they all end up at UC something or other. Joyce or Buffy's dad could visit for parent's weekend and become bait for some nasty. Giles could work in the library, but I can see him much better as a prof, maybe in the Ancient Languages department. Who's to say the nasties won't follow our hero? On a personal note, my boyfriend was bitten by a rabid wolf outside the back door of my old dorm, smack in the heart of campus. (Don't worry, he had his jacket over the arm the wolf bit so no shots. Whew.) Could have just as easily been a vampire. Or a werewolf. Well, maybe in Buffy's world. - -- Kerowyn, Duchess of Buffonia angel@amnix.com Keeper of Giles' Broadsword and proud GASPer Keeper of Willow's Ear Slurp on Xander Keeper of The Jet-Black, Nightmare-Inducing, Mega-Evil Box that Buffy's Valentine Roses From Angel Came In Temporary Keeper of Willow's Ax of Unrequited Love - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:40:37 -0700 From: Kerowyn Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy the Murderess Hello all, I've been reading a lot about this thread and it's got me thinking. I am not a member of the Lynch Mob and probably won't ever be, and that's not just because Angel is so babalicious. While I am enjoying Angel get in touch with his evil side, I'm still waiting for the day he gets his soul back and feels REALLY guilty about everything he's done. Okay, enough rambling. I've said before that vampires are evil and Buffy should kill them any chance she gets. I don't buy what Spike would call "that Anne Rice crap" that they have the right to be predators because it's their nature. They are evil, evil, evil! Now that I've made that clear, I have to say yeah, it would be great if Buffy and Co. could find a way to give vampires back their souls instead of killing them. That's what Picard would do. But even he realized sometimes there's no other way, like with the soulsuckers in the Mark Twain episode. If you like that kind of thing. My point is, do you really think Spike would stop torturing people and drinking their blood if he had a conscience? No. He might even enjoy it more. But then you get into a creepy realm we explored in "Ted" where you are killing something that more closely approximates a real human being rather than a demon. Although I have faith in Buffy's ethics, I don't think it's her place to be judge, jury, and executioner. Unless it's a bloodsucking fiend or other sort of nasty. So unless they find some fantastical way to turn vampires back into humans, which would make the show a lot more boring, Buffy will just have to keep doing what she's doing. I can't complain about that. - -- Kerowyn, Duchess of Buffonia angel@amnix.com Keeper of Giles' Broadsword and proud GASPer Keeper of Willow's Ear Slurp on Xander Keeper of The Jet-Black, Nightmare-Inducing, Mega-Evil Box that Buffy's Valentine Roses From Angel Came In Temporary Keeper of Willow's Ax of Unrequited Love - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:46:26 EST From: GelEbene Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG at Blockbuster Awards <<>> Thats why everyone needs to check in their area. I live in Phoenix, and they're showing them live on Tuesday night. I've heard that other places (like Boston) are showing them on Thursday. gelebene@aol.com Keeper of willow's belt with the big square silver buckle~Co-Keeper of Oz's NYC Yoga T-shirt ~You are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think~WtP - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:18:29 EST From: Smellcore Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: TV teens In a message dated 3/9/98 2:19:44 AM, you wrote: <> They portray teens as having all the answers. Sure they have porblems, but they approach them with an unrealistically strong sense of self. Most kids have very few or no answers ye. They're still learning and most are very confused. You don't see that on Dawson's. You do see it on Buffy. These characters have great personalities but they are people trying to figure out who they are and where they're headed. Pandora (smellcore@aol.com) " Sorry, Jenny, this is where you get off.-- I never get tired of doing that." Angel "Passion" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:28:02 -0600 From: PaulaCobb@webtv.net (Paula Cobb) Subject: Re: BUFFY: TV teens When I was in high school one of the cheerleaders had an affair with a married coach 35 years older than her (everyone knew about it - including, eventually, the school board.) Another girl had an affair with her married social studies teacher (he divorced his wife to marry the student who dropped out of school and moved to another town.) Now both of them are teaching in another district! What great role models for their students... Guess DAWSON'S CREEK doesn't seem so far-fetched to me. But give me Buffy any day of the week!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:40:20 EST From: Britt1975 Subject: Re: BUFFY: TV teens In a message dated 98-03-08 18:13:05 EST, you write: << Now, I won't go into the teacher story line ::shudder:: Now THAT was unrealistic.... >> Contrarywise....@ my high school....my best friend was having an affair with our married Drama teacher, and in contradiction to the happenings at Dawson's Creek....no one mentioned it to the admin. At least not until he dumped her and in the classic example of a woman scorned, she told the admin. and he was fired. Now for an ObBuffy: Has anyone else been hearing rumors about Jamie Kennedy guesting on the seasone ender of Btvs? I know that Seth Green alluded to it in his Ultimate TV interview...but I was wondering if there had been any confirmations? Brittany Britt1975@aol.com Keeper of Xander's Ice Cream Cone Keeper of Willow's Bulliten Board Proud Member of PETW - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:43:24 EST From: CatDancer8 Subject: BUFFY: I need Fan Fic I need some fan fiction for my web page. I do this "Weekly Fan Fic" where fan fiction is featured for a week on the page. However, it's been going into "Monthly Fan Fic" soon to be "Yearly Fan Fic" cause I'm not getting any submissions. I know there are tons of people that write fan fiction and I would love it if you would send me yours. I'll feature it for a week and if it's okay with you I'll use it over again other weeks when I run out of stuff to put up. I'd appreciate any submission you can send. I would prefer for them not to be 50 pages long. I don't have a "ton" of space on my server and would like to be able to put the whole thing up. Multiple part stories must be submitted with all parts so I can put them all one after another each week. Any kinds of writting are okay as long as they are "appropriate". I will read and review each one before posting. I will notify you everytime your submission is posted if you want me to. Thanks, and I'd appreciate anything you can send. Send files in Word, Wordpad, Notepad, MSWorks. Files like that. I have Win95. - -Michelle http://members.aol.com/aglx/main.html Stories can be viewed at: http://members.aol.com/aglx/buffywrittings.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:57:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Reid Subject: Re: BUFFY: I need Fan Fic On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, CatDancer8 wrote: > I need some fan fiction for my web page. I do this "Weekly Fan Fic" where fan > fiction is featured for a week on the page. However, it's been going into > "Monthly Fan Fic" soon to be "Yearly Fan Fic" cause I'm not getting any > submissions. I know there are tons of people that write fan fiction and I > would love it if you would send me yours. I'll feature it for a week and if You might want to take a look at the Buffyfic list, it has constant submissions of fanfic from BTVS fans. Just send a message to majordomo@xmission.com with the line 'intro buffyfic' in the body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:00:03 -0700 From: Doyce Testerman Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #166 -- several topics At 07:04 PM 3/8/98 -0700, buffy-digest wrote: > >[re: how to keep Willow in Sunnydale] >> Fortunately, we have at least one TV-world example to follow to >> 'fix' this problem, which just happens to share the RL high school >> location. Can anyone say '90210'? > >For those of us who have never watched even 5 minutes of that >particular zip code, could you briefly explain what that "fix" is and >how it would apply to Willow? Thanks. In essense, they have established that Sunnydale has a local college, which lets Buffy and Crew continue to battle the minions of the hellmouth while seeking higher education. (The Funny thing about this is that I had been thinking to myself that, for the show to go past 3 seasons, the writers needed to establish that there was a college near the Hellmouth... The next episode was 'Reptile Boy', which did just that :) ><< But given his cool to this > comment and his lack of followup, I assume that he knew about it. >> > >I disagree. I definitely saw a reaction after Angel left the hospital. The >look on Xander's face as he let out the breath he'd been holding, IMO, was a >look of someone who had just learned a devastating (at least, to him) truth. >Of course, I could be wrong, but this is how I interpreted his reaction. See, I thought it was the look of someone who has just stared-down and/or bluffed his way through a VERY tense face-off with a blood-sucking fiend from beyond the grave... complete with an 'ohgodiamSOgladiamnotdead' exhale. >I still think it would have had more impact >if Angelus had taunted Joyce with "since >the night we had sex" instead of "the night >we made love" - after all, the whole point >was to shock Joyce with the news that >her innocent young daughter wasn't so >innocent anymore....... Absolutely true, but saying 'the night we had sex' indicates a certain callousness to Joyce. Saying 'the night we made love' conveys a sense that Angel shared real intimacy with her daughter -- that would be shocking, especially with no warning... this man she's never really met is coming off as though he and Buffy are soulmates... serious blow to the mother-daughter bond, and maybe more of a blow than an offhand 'the night we had sex' would have been. _____________________________________________________________ Little girls, like butterflies, need no excuse. _______________________bear@plinet.com_______________________ http://www.plinet.com/~bear Doyce Testerman - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 22:54:31 -0500 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: Dawson Creek This is one of those dicey situations for listowners. First, for the most part, when people have been talking about Dawson's Creek they *have* mentioned Buffy as a direct comparison, thus keeping it on-topic (technically at least). The comparisons between how the teenagers on Buffy and Dawson Creek speak have excellent and Jill and I encourge it wholeheartedly. I'm posting this reminder because a few posts have only barely been on-topic. This is an interesting thread, and I'm definitely not putting a stop to it. I would ask, however, that people do more than simply mention Buffy in their post. Discussion of Dawson's Creek can only take place here via specific reference to Buffy. For a good rule of thumb try to keep in mind that your post goes out to not only the person you're responding to, or the small group who regularly post, but to all 800+ people s*bscribed to the list. Buffy is the only thing we all have in common, and our reason for all being here in the first place. I'm not suggesting every thread should be of interest to every s*bscriber; but threads that deal almost exclsively with a completely different subject matter and only marginally refer to Buffy amount to too much noise in the signal (buffy)-noise ratio. Carry on, - --sah sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack * Jungle Patrol * Bishop * Bossy the Lost Dwarf * BTVS Listowner Nat's B&B (moving shortly): http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/ "She's out there, strong and smart and proud and gorgeous. That has to piss the hell off of Clarence Thomas, and that makes my day." --jk on Anita Hill - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:20:21 -0800 From: "Sai Wong (Exchange)" Subject: RE: BUFFY: RE: Allyson Hannigan on The Torkelsons > I was watching the Disney Channel today, specifically The Torkelsons, and > low and \ > behold Allyson Hannigan was on the show. > Hi, Although I already have both episodes of 'Almost Home' with Alyson in I have been religiously taping the episodes on the Dysney channel in order to get better copies. However, as fate would have it, the only time my VCR messed up on timer recording was on Saturday :-( Excuse me whilst I stand in the corner and cry my eyes out !!!! OK, I am better now. Could someone tell me which episode it was (a) When she dresses up for her boyfriend (b) When they try to get concert tickets Thanks, Sai - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 23:42:15 -0500 From: JW Subject: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? A >I disagree. I definitely saw a reaction after Angel left the hospital. The >look on Xander's face as he let out the breath he'd been holding, I took that sigh, and look of almost relief more as the fact he had just stood up to Angel and gotten away with it. I mean he had to know that Angel could have killed him in an instance. I think that likely Xander knew before the exchange with Angel, because either Willow would have something so Xander wouldn't say anything to upset Buffy, also that it became the unspoken truth around the slayerettes. I'm sure that Xander would have been curious why Angel changed, and he just wouldn't bring it up. JW GASP Keeper "THe Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis Bust - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:38:58 PST From: "Itwasalatenite BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: Filet Mignon and More! >>Why should Buffy have to settle for Hamburger Helper after she's >>tasted filet mignon? Heh. Cool metaphor. Once again, heh. I got the US mag with Sarah in it, it's cool, y'all. The Mad magazine spoof was cool, too. ITWASALATENITE Keeper of Nick Anderson's new-found confidence - ----------------------------------------------- "What are you doing?? Make me yak!!--Cordy Check out the pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/8642/bshaw.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:02:49 -0800 From: Kathy Perkins Subject: BUFFY: Stuff It's taken forever, but I've finally done it! I've caught up on 25 Buffy digests! Just a few comments: 1. I'm not sure about the whole cross vs. Star of David thing, but I think it has something to do with the type of vampire. I'll have to do some research. I think Raven was right when she said that belief in the power of the cross was critical - if you truly believe it will work, it will. (See the film "Fright Night" for an example). 2. As far as your insurance company is concerned, your car is like your home. I think many homeowner's policies will cover items stolen from your car. So, mayve Cordilia's fears weren't so crazy after all. Any thoughts? 3. Animals would definately drink blood if it were offered to them, at least dogs and cats would. Also, they sleep a lot of the time, and I would think the demon's instinct would keep them from napping in the sun. I'm not ready for vampire puppies from hell just yet, though. :) 4. Is the ratings problem due to the number of reruns being shown throughout the season? It's difficult to keep track of the show that way. 5. IM injections are often givin to calm combative patients. I don't remember if Buffy had an IV in at the point the shot was given. Also, it's a lot easier (and safer) to give an IM shot to someone who's struggling than an IV injection (if there isn't a line in place already, that is). I'm a pharmacist who works with nusring homes, and we dispense a lot of sedatives that are used IM for aggresive/agitated patients. If any RNs out there have anything to add... 6. I loved "Lie to Me" - it was one of my favorites! 7. Good point about the hospital room. Would Angel have to be invited into the room. That is, is it her "home", as long as she's paying for the use of the room? What about hotel/motel rooms? 8. On why the 8 year old Buffy's room looked the same as her current one - same builder, maybe? 9. I thought Angel using the words "made love" was more effective than "having sex" would have been, since he was trying to make har mom believe he was crushed by thier breakup. One last thing - I'm really enjoying the letters everyone sends, and it's good to know there are lots of 30 and 40-somethings (like me) out there who enjoy this show. The attitudes and speech of high school students may change over the years, but people are still people. I can relate to Buffy and the Slayerettes, especially Willow. That's all for now... Kathy (katperk@mindspring.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:38:20 -0500 From: JW Subject: BUFFY: Joyce at the SAG awards I was watching the SAG awards tonight on TNT and I spotted Kristen Sutherland aka Joyce Summers in the crowd she was sitting just behind the table with Helen Hunt. I couldn't tell if any other Buffy cast member was there are if she was sitting with anyone. JW GASP Keeper "The Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis Bust - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:41:43 -0500 From: JW Subject: BUFFY: Amy on the air Big night for Buffy cast members on the air. Flipping channels and I spotted a voice I knew, it was everyone's favorite Teen Witch Amy on an episode of 'Silk Stockings' on the USA network JW - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:11:08 -0800 From: preta@earthlink.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead languages and the living dead... >[Giles] mentions a text that was translated into Latin from Sumerian. >Sumerian died out ca. 1st millenium BCE and wasn't rediscovered until the >19th century, I find that hard to believe. Actually this could be historically accurate, however purely by accident, I believe. Since the text in Prophecy Girl was whole cloth. Giles could have been reading a Latin treatise by Tychsen or Heyne (both in the 1700's) who wrote of cuneiform. Though after what Joss said about research, I am sure the writers did not have this in mind, it just sounded good. Besides in Sumerian mythology all the really powerful important vampires were female. The Master would have been secondary at best. Perhaps he just had a better PR agent than the ladies. Preta preta@earthlink.net *** Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: maxvl@iname.com Subject: RE: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? CD10579 wrote: >I definitely saw a reaction after Angel left the >hospital. The look on Xander's face as he let out the >breath he'd been holding, IMO, was a look of someone >who had just learned a devastating (at least, to him) >truth. I think it was the look of someone who had just played chess with Death, and inexplicably achieved a draw. ====================================================== MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: "You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:02:25 -0600 From: "Mike Keeley" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? > Well, that's an interesting way to put it. > But, I would have to call *Xander * the filet mignon and Angel the Hamburger > Helper. - Good, a girl who wouldn't make a nice guy finish last for a change. - -Mike "I always get screwed by the system... I'm the system's bitch. --Drew Carey - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: maxvl@iname.com Subject: BUFFY: Giles + Joyce?? I have seen several list members say that they are very opposed to the idea that there might be a romantic involvement between Giles and Joyce. One person even said that they would stop watching the show if the pairing occurred. OK, I accept that it would be a mistake for Giles to get involved with someone who has a special interest in Buffy because it makes it harder for him to do his job. The friction between Buffy and Jenny demonstrated that. But I don't think that a Giles-Joyce pairing would be immoral, which is the only reason I can think of for somebody to stop watching the show. (I am assuming that Joyce would have to be clued-in about the Slayage-thing.) The most interesting parts of the show are the consequences of mistakes. Does anyone think that Giles+Joyce would be worse mistake than, say, Slayer+Vampire? ====================================================== MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: "You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Kazuto Okayasu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Hellmouth University On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Robin Carroll-Mann wrote: > For those of us who have never watched even 5 minutes of that > particular zip code, could you briefly explain what that "fix" is and > how it would apply to Willow? Thanks. Well, basically, no matter what academic level they were, _everyone_ ended up going to the same university through some reason or another. OK, so if they do that, it may draw 90210 comparisons. It could be worse.(??) Speaking of that (and Saved By The Bell... where will this end?), someplace else in this thread mentioned California University. Eek! How many TV-land CU are there gonna be? But Hellmouth U could very well be a fairly major school, especially one with frats with their own big frathouses. There are plenty of Podunk towns built around a university. - -- Kazuto Okayasu "Kaz" D.G.I.F. #3052 -- Desktop Systems Support, Administrative Computing Services, U.C. Irvine "I don't doubt for a moments time, the heart's not a mirror of the mind." - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 03:31:18 -0800 From: bandr@impulse.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG at Blockbuster Awards GelEbene wrote: > << Awards on Thursday in my area (boston)...>>> > > Thats why everyone needs to check in their area. I live in Phoenix, and > they're showing them live on Tuesday night. I've heard that other places > (like Boston) are showing them on Thursday. Some UPN stations, in particular the Boston station, have lots of basketball and hockey which often displaces scheduled UPN programming to another night. This probably happens to WB stations too. Remember how last season WGN aired Buffy on Wednesday almost every week because of Cubs games?. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Hellmouth University On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Katharine Zandy wrote: > > How could she go to college if she can't go outside during the daytime? You know, before I went to college, I too thought that it was necessary to actually be awake for at least some of the daylight hours. However, several of my friends proved me wrong. Actually, it wouldn't be overly implausable if all of the slayerettes ended up going to H.M.U. Xander and Buffy probably don't have the grades to get in most places, so a local place would be an obvious choice. I don't know about Cordy's grades, but the frathouse we saw makes me think that if there are equivalent sororities, Cordy might fit right in. Also, this school might have one of the top CS departments in the country, for all we know. Sometimes if you grow up around a college or university, it's tough to accpet the fact that that school might actually be really *good* at something (unless of course, you grew up in Boston, MA or something.. :) ). Anyway, if it has a good department, especially if it could give a full scholarship, Willow might be very interested in attending. Cheers! Tracey tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:46:34 -0500 From: Schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: Did Xander Know? CD wrote: <. I definitely saw a reaction after Angel left the hospital. The look on Xander's face as he let out the breath he'd been holding, IMO, was a look of someone who had just learned a devastating (at least, to him) truth.> I interpreted this differently; I thought Xander's reaction showed his relief- because he didn't have to try to physically stop Angelus from entering Buffy's room! Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:57:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Hodgson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Finale to Season One > >Since we knew that Sarah was starting to make movies that summer, and there has never been a shortage of rumors that she wanted to leave the show, I'm sure that I would have been near despair! How about you?? >I agree totally I mean imagine Buffy without SMG or even any of the other main characters would, in my opinion, change the face of the show so much that I would need a while to recover!!!!! >That was then, and now is now. Joss knows there will >be a third season, and he knows that we are hooked. I don't think that the finale for season two will be nearly as gentle as last year's. I can hardly wait! > >MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) >LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: >"You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." > > >----------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Hodgson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dialogue and reality I think that the Bay City Rollers are a 70's group but I was born in '78 and I don't remember them but I have still heard a song by them and their music has also been made reference to in the movie "So I married an axe murderer". Possibly Buffy could have seen that movie or heard about them some other way. At 02:48 PM 3/7/98 EST, fu nee wrote: > >On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:55:56 -0500 gibb@monisys.ca writes: > >> In the first episode, she tells the vampire that romances Willow "Live >in the now, you look like >DeBarge.." I vaguely remember El DeBarge..how >in Gods name does Buffy know who that is. >He was early 80's..Buffy was >a toddler! Maybe I'm nit-picking..but it could make a nice forum >for >chat and discussion! >> >> > > >I don't think you're nit-picking and I think this is a very good >observation. You're right, there are lots of references to the '80's >era. I don't know who DeBarge is, but I've heard of The Captain and >Tenille which Xander referred to in another episode, When She Was Bad. >In that one, he and Willow talk about that music duo, and ask Buffy her >opinion and Buffy acts as if she has never heard of them and Xander mocks >her as if she is culturally illiterate. > >Another example, in the same episode (I think) was Giles reference to the >Bay City Rollers. Wasn't that an '80s group? He says "Now that was >music." Buffy responds as if she knows who they are. > >Despite Buffy's lack of knowledge about the Captain and Tenille for the >most part it works and is believeable to me because there is a >consistency in style albeit a denial of the character's lack of knowledge >of such 80's trivia. Same thing for the way the whole city of Sunnydale >seems to be in denial about all the strange things that have occurred in >many episodes (the vamps attack on Open House night at the school or >explaining what they were all doing down in Buffy's basement with Xander >in the Valentine's day episode -- someone help me out here and give an >episode title to all these references, will you?). > >Anyway, in the realm of the closed universe created by the BtVS staff, >all of this works because, there is in a way, a line of logic and >consistency. > >In reality, there would be all kinds of red tape, snooping, >investigation, follow-up red tape/snooping/investigation aft such >incidents such as the death of Ted, the disappearance of the first school >principal (what was his name?), and that guy Ford who betrayed Buffy. In >reality, there are deaths and disappearances of humans which in reality >would cause lots of commotion, but it's all shoved under the rug in BtVS >and we accept it. The first time they shove it under a rug, the audience >may question, but after awhile, I think we all just accept it as part of >the reality of that particular tv show. > >funee > > >PS I just thought of another reason why Xander, Cordy, Willow, Buffy >might be such 80's trivia experts! Maybe they all play Trivial Pursuit >or other games like that. > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #167 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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