From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #186 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Friday, March 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 186 In this issue: BUFFY: The new site BUFFY: More about the New Site BUFFY: Bearer of Bad News - Rocky Con w/ ASH Re: BUFFY: Sarah in Ted Re: BUFFY: The new official site BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY BUFFY: Becoming? Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY BUFFY: Jamie Kennedy (possible spoilers) Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: Becoming?(SPOILERS) BUFFY: rockycon? Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie BUFFY: Oz Re: BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad Re: BUFFY: Oz BUFFY: Episodes Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie Re: BUFFY: Angel and Spike BUFFY: author Re: BUFFY: Oz Re: BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad BUFFY: YTV tonite BUFFY: Keeper of? BUFFY: Movie vs. t.v. Re: BUFFY: Keeper of? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:19:11 EST From: BuffyChic4 Subject: BUFFY: The new site Can anyone tell me how to get to other parts of the new site from the lounge since I only have the AOL browser and Windows 3.1, I can't really get anywhere else. Thanks! =) Personally, I prefer the old site since I could actually get on it when I wanted to...and you didn't need all this high tech equipment which my computer can't even download b/c it only has windows 3.1. ~Cathy BuffyChic4@aol.com Visit my new Buffy site at http://members.aol.com/smeegzcacs/index.html Member of the Buffy Crew - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:06:27 EST From: CatDancer8 Subject: BUFFY: More about the New Site Sorry listmommies if I'm breaking any rules here but I can't help myself. Please forgive me if I am. I actually love the new site. It's well made and it offers a lot of new stuff that fans have been asking for. (game, store, fanclub --which are coming soon...) I do however wish they would come up with a way to make it load faster. With buffyslayer.com it took a while the first time you loaded it but then it loaded a lot faster. Now, this one take 2 mins per page. That is a waste of time. It's also very inacessable for many web users. My main complaint is the lack of rules. The first site at least put in writting that you are to keep the language appropriate. At buffyslayer there was hardly ever a foul word. This one, you can't even read a post without it. It's a real shame that fans are resulting to such vulgare words regarding the sites and the show. We used to be such a nice group. (What ever happen to us?) More rules would probally help more and make it easier for fans to enjoy the boards. I also think they may want to consider two different message boards. One that has the string type and one that is like the original. That way everyone is happy. If they fix those things we could really have a great web site. That's my .02! =Michelle= http://members.aol.com/aglx/main.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Bearer of Bad News - Rocky Con w/ ASH I just talked to Tony's publicist, Tony can't make it to the con, his youngest daughter is having her bday party in England. My ticket to NY is non-refundable, so I'm still coming, I guess. Maybe local ASH fans/clubers/listers could set up a gettogether in lieu of the Con. Let me know. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - GASP!- Keeper of Coats & Ties Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) About What Fans Sent Him in the Mail: "Fair amount of lingerie, yeah, all of which I tried, none of which fitted" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:10:39 EST From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Sarah in Ted Ricki said << I'm watching Ted again and I just have to say that this has got to be the greatest group cast in history! >> After watching Ted now for the 6th time, I've got to say that I'm liking it a lot more than I did. If you compare it to Passion, BBB, or Innocence, yes, it just doesn't wash for the 'feel' we are growing accustomed to. BUT, for downright eerieness, it gets high marks. That scene at the dinner table, not only hits you with Buffy's teary eyes, but during Ted's talk, the hair on the back of my neck just stood at attention!!! As a teenager, I thought MY mother's boyfrinds were creepy....EEEEK! Hope when they go to summer re-runs, someone has the episode guide so they can play them in order for us 'constant re-tapers!!' BL - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:41 EST From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: The new official site At 02:35 PM 3/19/98 -0800, Ricki Morris wrote: >You can also jump to the postingboard by using this URL: >http://www.buffythevampireslayer.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html I'm a Windows 95 user on AOL, and I really don't want to load the two programs it asked me to to get to buffy.com I went to the site above to take a look at what I supposed was going to be a posting board like ours at Ultimate TV, and instead I find a threaded one. I am more used to the Main board, with all the regulars (Darkwind, et. al. ) and I can't say I care for this in any way. But, I guess I'll play wait and see, to see what they'll do with it. BL - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:20 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad She's already done it and it has appeared in some magazines. www.whymilk.com should have the rest of the pictures from the shoot up on their site next week. lawless Sandy Huang wrote: > I heard on the radio that Sarah Michelle Gellar is doing the milk ad > (i.e. Sarah with a milk mustache). > Let me know if you have any comments. I just set up my new email > address. My emai address is : sandyth@webtv.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:58:06 -0600 From: PaulaCobb@webtv.net (Paula Cobb) Subject: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY I don't care if he's Angel the hero vamp or Angelus the demon - he belongs with Buffy and the sooner they get back together the better the show will be. I really think the ratings for the show are down because so many fans miss the romantic interaction between Buffy and Angel. It is so painful and disheartening to watch them hating each other and trying to hurt each other with every word and deed. There is a magical chemistry between Sarah and David that is being wasted in favor of staging "the kickboxing fight of the week." Angel is still there deep inside Angelus - and I believe he's trying to return to the one great love of his long, tortured life... Buffy. And she is too sad and emotionally adrift without Angel by her side. My greatest fantasy? That when the final BtVS episode is shown (many years down the road) that Buffy will follow her heart and convince Angel to "bring her across" so that they can go off together - far from the Hellmouth - to spend eternity together. Paula - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:49:43 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY Paula Cobb wrote: > I don't care if he's Angel the hero vamp > or Angelus the demon - he belongs with > Buffy and the sooner they get back > together the better the show will be. I for one don't agree with what you are saying. Towards the middle of the season ("Bad Eggs") many viewers (including myself) were turned off by Buffy and Angel's romance. Take Bad Eggs for example. It was a good story but every other scene romance was being forced upon the viewer. I hope that Angel doesn't get his soul back till next season (even then it's going to take a LONG time for Buffy to forgive Angel for his sins)... But that's just what I think...God knows I'm still hoping for Darla to come back - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:39:56 -0700 From: cordyrocksmyworld@juno.com (Warren C Jaycox) Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie I could not agree with you more. You can already see Joss's VERY distictive style. In fact, for those of you who watched it recently, tell me that you don't think this is a classic Xander line... "Does anyone else have problems with this?" -Luke Perry's character, as Buffy, hypnotized, walks toward Lothos. VERY distictive, indeed. Warren >I can honestly see where Joss was trying to go with this movie and can >see >that if they had given him more say in the project, it could've been >one of >the better vampire movies... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:56:02 EST From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 98-03-20 00:41:05 EST, joloam@ici.net writes: << I for one don't agree with what you are saying. Towards the middle of the season ("Bad Eggs") many viewers (including myself) were turned off by Buffy and Angel's romance. >> So I've heard. Now they can turn off a whole other group with all the fighting and viciousness between them. The first fight scene between Buffy and Angel was very brutal, and very hard to watch. I'm getting more desensitized and actually laughed during the last one (KBD). But I'm in the Buffy and Angel camp. Too bad. Sue me. LilyRei Heart of the Slayer http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/set/1673/index.html ***** Giles: "I'm leaning towards blind panic." BtVS Innocence - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:58:49 EST From: Nightbl377 Subject: BUFFY: Becoming? I was just wondering if anyone here had any reliable information on this season's finale. Also, does anyone know which episodes will be shown in April? Thanks. Greyfang - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:26:18 EST From: Smellcore Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 3/20/98 5:02:36 AM, you wrote: <> I think it's because most of us are saying "Great he's bad. Good plot line. NOW GO SOMEWHERE!" We want to see what's going to happen and tptb are dragging out to the point where we are (literally in my case) pulling our hair out. Let's get it done. Whatever they're going to do: kill him, save him, whatever! Just do it! Just my opinion..... Pandora (smellcore@aol.com) Keeper of Willow's wheelchair drivin' skills ("KBD"); Angel's quote from "Passion" "Sorry, Jenny, this is where you get off. I never get tired of doing that."; Love Always, Angel; SAFESA; - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:34:17 -0600 From: Kasey Johns Subject: BUFFY: Jamie Kennedy (possible spoilers) Possible spoiler: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 Jeff Pruitt just confirmed on the posting board - Jamie Kennedy did NOT make it into this season's eps. Possibly next season, but not this season. |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Kj | kasey@eldar.org | http://eldar.org/~kasey/ | |---------------------------------------------------------------| - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:33:47 EST From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 98-03-20 01:29:36 EST, Smellcore@aol.com writes: << I think it's because most of us are saying "Great he's bad. Good plot line. NOW GO SOMEWHERE!" We want to see what's going to happen and tptb are dragging out to the point where we are (literally in my case) pulling our hair out. >> This is a *good* point. I'm tired of this already. They'd better do something by season's end, 'cause all these near misses and poor excuses for why the Slayer or the Vamp hasn't killed the other isn't going to fly into next season with me. :( LilyRei Heart of the Slayer http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/set/1673/index.html ***** Giles: "I'm leaning towards blind panic." BtVS Innocence - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:48:43 EST From: Smellcore Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 3/20/98 6:36:35 AM, you wrote: <> I am so sick of seeing Angel on the brink of doing something terrible and being stopped by something ridiculous (Dru in "BBB", Xander in "Innocence", Xander in "KBD", ) And then there's Buffy! She kills vamps all the time. Sure at first she wasn't ready but now she keeps saying she is ready and yet... Nothing happens. We are all intelligent people. We know they aren't going to kill either of them so let's just move the story along a little shall we? With the exception of Jenny he hasn't really done anything all that terrible. He just talks and talks and talks about it. *SNORE* and Buffy too. "I should have killed him when I had the chance", "I'm finally ready" THEN DO IT! Stop talking and let's see some action. Sorry felt the need to rant. Pandora (smellcore@aol.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:49:08 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Becoming?(SPOILERS) Nightbl377 wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone here had any reliable information on this > season's finale. Also, does anyone know which episodes will be shown in April? > Thanks. S P O I L E R S The show will be a two-parter, Oz will be back for it. Jenny will also be in it as a ghost (Druscilla starts messing with Giles' head and he starts having nightmares or is haunted by Jenny). I have some other info on it but I'll have to dig it up. Lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:52:56 -0500 From: Bruce McMicking Subject: BUFFY: rockycon? So where is "Rockycon"and who will be there? Bruce - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:54:34 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY > In a message dated 3/20/98 5:02:36 AM, you wrote: > > < down because so many fans miss the > romantic interaction between Buffy and > Angel.>> Well, it's been shown that shows do better in the ratings when the two main characters aren't involved and their's still tnsion between them. It ahs a lot to do with the fact that they're not as interesting when they're together. Also, a lot of fans don't like characters being together because it makes the actors seem "less attainable" to them in a small way, even though that's only a small part of it. The ratings for Friends dropped dramatically after Ross and Rachel got togethere so they broke them up. That's also why Dawson and Jen just broke up on Dawson's Creek, why he's not dating Joey, why all of the saved by the bell cast kept switching off and on, etc. Lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:59:13 EST From: Smellcore Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 3/20/98 6:58:18 AM, you wrote: <> What is with that chair anyway? A cheesy plot device to keep Spike hindered for the duration of the season I suspect. I want him back and I want him BAD! Like he used to be. I can't wait for the Angel & Spike slugfest. As much as I lve Angel I want Spike to get a few good licks in before Angel takes him to school. Another thing- have you noticed that when Angel was good he seemed stronger? I mean he's been getting beat up and taken by surprise a lot lately and that never happened before. What's with that? Pandora (smellcore@aol.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:36:30 EST From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: ANGEL & BUFFY In a message dated 98-03-20 03:02:08 EST, Smellcore@aol.com writes: << Another thing- have you noticed that when Angel was good he seemed stronger? I mean he's been getting beat up and taken by surprise a lot lately and that never happened before. What's with that? >> Actually, I thought it was the other way around. LOL I thought Angel got dusted (not literally :) more often when he was good than he does now. But now the only person I see him beating on is Buffy, and those fights are pretty much blow for blow. Once, Angel got over the surprise factor, he was more than a match for Giles. As for the Scooby Gang, they make sure they have crosses to wave in his face once they've lost the element of surprise. :) LilyRei Heart of the Slayer http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/set/1673/index.html ***** Giles: "I'm leaning towards blind panic." BtVS Innocence - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:04:31 EST From: Vendeta 26 Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie In a message dated 3/19/98 1:40:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, gibb@monisys.ca writes: << Does anyone know what they made >> A Rueben sandwich (I think that's the right spelling) cause of Paul Rueben being on of the vamps. I enjoyed the movie, but the food was anything but appetizing Vendeta26@aol.com Keeper of the first tear Buffy shed for Angel. ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ "I'm the slayer, I need to know these things. You can't keep me in the dark any longer. LOOK AT ME when I talk to you!!" ~ Buffy ~ "This is what happens when you have school on Saturdays." ~ Cordy ~ ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ http://www.geocities.com/paris/rue/9332/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:29:58 +1000 From: Horsten Subject: BUFFY: Oz In which episode did Oz first appear? I'm in Australia and we're only upto the episode after When She Was Bad. Krys - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:27:22 -0400 From: Phoenix Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad Lawless wrote: > She's already done it and it has appeared in some magazines. > www.whymilk.com should have the rest of the pictures from the shoot up on > their site next week. > > lawless > The above address didn't work. Does anyone know the correct address? Thanks Phoenix - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:28:34 -0500 (EST) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Oz Oz's first appearance was in Inca Mummy Girl, if I'm not mistaken. Then he reappeared in Halloween, then What's My Line, Innocence (I think), Phases, and BBB. Am I missing any? Tracey tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Horsten wrote: > In which episode did Oz first appear? I'm in Australia and we're only > upto the episode after When She Was Bad. > > Krys > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:57:59 CST From: "Daryl Rodriguez" Subject: BUFFY: Episodes I watch the show, even with the reruns and all. But there is one episode that eludes me every time that I try to watch it. THis is the episode where Spike is trying to restore Dru's strength and ends up getting hurt himself. I think it was called "What's My Line". If anyone has that episode taped, and would send me a copy, please contact me. I don't know if the WB will air this episode again, but I don't want to take any chances of missing it again. Thanks! Daryl Rodriguez darylr@cchs.ncsc.k12.ar.us - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: S2200225@NICKEL.LAURENTIAN.CA Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS the movie Yeah, OK, maybe I was one of the "man, this movie is terrible" people; but it did have it's good points. I liked the movie despite all the things I didn't like about it (am I confused or what???), mainly because there were some kick-butt parts. Like, Pike's "Hey man, YOU'RE FLOATING!"; or the Paul Reubens death scene. Cool scenes which made the movie for me. On a slight aside, everybody's been discussing different possible "guest writers" for the show. It would be a cool idea as long as TPTB don't meddle too much (examples of too much meddling: BTVS movie, Stephen King X-Files). Sure, TPTB for Buffy know what they're doing, but IMHO if you're gonna let someone try something new, don't screw with it. As for who I think would be a good guest writer, I'd agree that Anne Rice would be good as long as she has no say on possible guest actors for the show (I mean, really, she wanted Rutguer Hauer to play Lestadt in "Interview" and we all saw how well he vamped in BTVS the movie...) --Keeper of the wiggins; GASPer; looking for AMSG players. - --Hugh Glen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: S2200225@NICKEL.LAURENTIAN.CA Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel and Spike > IMO: I really think Spike wants Angel either dead or turned back. I > think he's getting really sick of seeing him with Dru. I don't think > it was any kind of fair play, I think he wanted Giles to kill him. I disagree, I think Spike does have a *limited* sense of fair play. As shown with Ford, he'll stick to his own set of ethics, but not much more beyond that. As for the dead or turned back debate, IMHO Spike will end up helping turn Angel back because he'll realize that killing Angel while he's still bad will really get Dru mad, but killing him after he's good (and wanting Buffy) again will actually gain Dru's favor. You never now, it could happen. --Keeper of the wiggins; GASPer; who wants to play a round of the "Angel's Musical Souls Game"? --Hugh Glen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:38:59 PST From: "Itwasalatenite BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: author How about my man R.L. Stine writing an episode of "Buffy"? Oh, man!! That would really rule!! ITWASALATENITE Keeper of Buffy's dead gigapet - ------------------------------------------- "What are you doing?? Make me yak!!--Cordy Check out the page: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre - ------------------------------------------------------ NICK ANDERSON IS AWESOME WITH A CAPITAL "A", BABY!!! - ------------------------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:53:39 EST From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Oz In a message dated 98-03-20 08:30:51 EST, you write: << In which episode did Oz first appear? I'm in Australia and we're only upto the episode after When She Was Bad. >> Inca Mummy Girl, approximately 3 more eps after When She was bad - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:31:38 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Blockbuster Award & Milk Ad Phoenix wrote: > > She's already done it and it has appeared in some magazines. > > www.whymilk.com should have the rest of the pictures from the shoot up on > > The above address didn't work. Does anyone know the correct address? That's the correct address. You can alsoe see the pic at http://smgfan.com/pictures/smg233.jpg Lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:34:26 -0500 From: "Carolyn or Paul" Subject: BUFFY: YTV tonite Some of my fellow Canucks might want to know that YTV will be showing Some Assembly Required tonite. It will air at 9 pm (instead of 8pm or 7pm) though due to a spring break special. Does anyone know if YTV will be repeating the whole season...in the proper order? So far, so good, since they showed When She Was Bad last week. Enjoy the show, Carolyn - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:11:37 CST From: "Daryl Rodriguez" Subject: BUFFY: Keeper of? I was just wondering, what is all of this keeper of stuff? I see it on nearly all the E-mail messages and am going crazy because I don't know what it means. Daryl Rodriguez darylr@cchs.ncsc.k12.ar.us - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:04:00 -0800 From: "Karri Lucas@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Movie vs. t.v. I was just wondering, what is all of this keeper of stuff? I see it >on nearly all the E-mail messages and am going crazy because I don't >know what it means. Well Daryl, check out the modified KEEPING TIPS. That'll tell you the why and how. Then surf on over to Lisa Rose's KEEPER INDEX PAGE for the where: http://www.wco.com/~cybrpaws/keepindx.html >From there you can find all the individual Keeper sites. BUT FIRST....READ THE TIPS.... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATED MARCH 20, 1998 This has been updated taking into account site changes, new pages, and any changes in procedure. I will post updates as necessary or, given the influx of new fans to the lists, when requested. If anyone has additional information or changes that I haven't noticed, please send them to me so I can make the appropriate changes. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUFFY FANS, ONE AND ALL!!! THIS IS A POST ON KEEPING. PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU HAVE EVER HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SAID SUBJECT!!! WHAT IS KEEPING?: Keeping is for fun. It's a way of showing our love for the show and for our favorite characters. That's it. It's not a contest. It's not a status thing. It's just plain old fashioned leisurely recreation. KEEPING allows all us fans a forum to display our fevered addiction in an orderly fashion. When you are the KEEPER of something, for all intensive purposes, you have the claimed the right to watch over that specific item or situation. Sound kind of wierd? Remember this IS the virtual world. An easier way of looking at it....if you like it when you see it on the show....you should try to be the KEEPER of it. WHAT DO I DO WITH IT ONCE I'M THE KEEPER?: Personally, I'd love to have all KEEPER's make sashes and badges. Like Girl Scouts....or Klingons....so we can show our KEEPERSHIPS to each other at conventions and such. Plus, we'd be easily recognizable by all other fandoms. Wouldn't that be great?!?! O.K., maybe thats just me. Actually being the KEEPER of something gives you the right to add that item/situation to the signature line of your messages. WHY? Becuase you can and it's a badge of pride. You can always tell a veteran list member by the size of their....signature. Many people not only put their KEEPERSHIPS but also any clubs they belong to, catch phrases, even political views at the bottom of their messages. It's sort of a way of defining who you are. KEEPING is done for no other reason than the giddy joy it fills you with. Treat it that way. Don't just KEEP for KEEPINGS sake. KEEP only when YOU find something worth KEEPING. These Tips have been passed down through the ages to make your journey run a little more smoothly. Enjoy.... TIPS ON KEEPING: 1. Don't Do It Onlist (Xmission, PlanetX): In all honesty no one cares. There are quite a few Buffy E-Mail Lists and they all have Keepers of things. The Official Keeper sites are shared by all groups. The rules that have been established are simple and are there for everyone. They're not written in stone, we're all friends here, so if you have a question ask a Keeper list owner. It may take a little while but they'll get back to you OR contact me (my addy's below). I'm a veteran of the "First Season Keeper Wars" and am more than willing to lend a hand. 2. Check the Keeper Pages First: This is a big one for all you rookies out there. Buffy fans are compulsive to say the least. Obvious things get picked off in a heartbeat. Don't hold your breath on popular things from first season. Your best bet is to go to Lisa's Keeper Index page. It has all the current links to all the Keeper pages. If you bookmark any page for Keeping, this is the one. Scan the lists for what it is you want, if you don't see it, CLAIM it. 3. Send Requests Directly to List Owners: After the first two, this one should be pretty obvious. Send your claim to the List Owner via their web pages or directly through E-mail. But DON'T, I repeat, DO NOT send requests through their guestbooks. It'll just fall on deaf ears. 4. Don't Fight or Flame: I know it's hard sometimes. You claim something, then turn around and see someone on list praising there good fortune for claiming the same thing or worse yet see it in their sig. line. It happens. It's no big deal. I haven't seen any KEEPING related flames in a long time. That's a good thing. But I'm sure in those deep dark corners of the virtual world....it still happens. If this does unfortunately happen to you, you can do one of three things. 1: FLAME!!! FLAME!!! FLAME!!! This is not the preferred method & in all honesty is pretty petty & childish. Besides from that, your not gonna make any new friends of other list members or owners that way. 2: Share. Yes Share!!! There's quite a few CO-KEEPERS. So if your real horked about Keeping something and can't imagine living without it....ask to share it. This pretty much refers to new things though, people who've been Keeping an item since WTTHM aren't gonna be all that willing but you can always try. And 3: Defer Keeper problems to the Individual List Owners. Just tell them your boggle and they'll make an Official ruling. But keep in mind, when you do this the List Owners decision is like the word of God. It's final. If two people can't agree on something....someone else will decide for you. You've got to be willing to accept that. 5. Speed is of the Essence: Whatever your preferred method of claiming, do it fast. The Keeper List Owners get flooded with mail the second after an episode ends. Once again, don't waste time sending claiming messages onlist. While your doing that, someone else is claiming it directly. If you claim something right after a NEW episode you don't have to check the Keeper Pages to see if what you want is already taken....it's a NEW EP, of course it's not Kept yet. Send your message promptly, even time tag if you want for extra validity cuz' it's FIRST COME....FIRST SERVE. 6. Be Polite: Another obvious one. Being nice is always appreciated by everyone and no one likes a jerk. It's as simple as that.... 7. Make Requests at the Appropriate Time: DON'T EVEN TRY to claim items that haven't even appeared yet. Just because you see something on a preview or hear about something onlist does not make it legal to claim or keep until that given episode actually airs. Now, I know some of you are saying, "But ARCHANGEL....what about time zones? If I live in Cali. I'm gonna see the new ep hours after the Bostonians. What up?" Well, there's no real answer to this except....move to the East Coast for Buffy's sake. The different airing times of the episode is just a fact of life. Just get your requests in as soon as possible. 8. Be PATIENT: This comes after your request has been made. Don't expect to hear from the Site Owner an hour after you've made a claim. It doesn't work that way. In fact, don't expect to hear from them at all. Some will write you back, some won't. Your best bet is to check their respected sites at LEAST a week AFTER the request. I know that kind of seems like a long time but the Site Owners have to sift through a plethora of claims. Its a time consuming pain stakingly drudgerous deed. Give them a break. If you don't see your request posted, chances are you didn't get it. Don't fret....there's always next week. Now....I know how it goes. You see something really cool....you claim it....you follow all the tips....your positive you sent it in first....why didn't you get it? KEEPING is like "gunfighting"....there's always someone faster. If you've really got a bug to find out what happened, write the Site Owner after the "no-fly week" I mentioned before. The best is to do it on Monday, the day BEFORE the new ep. By this time most Site Owners have gone through all the previous weeks requests and are experiencing a brief moment of solace. They'll be better able to give you the skinny then. But no matter the response....whether your feeling elation or depression....just take several deep cleansing breathes....and be patient. Remember the old adage, "GOOD THINGS COME, TO THOSE WHO WAIT." 9. Imagination is a splendorous thing: This is a personal tip. It is by no means a requirement, just a suggestion. Be imaginative. Be creative. Be dirty. JUST BE!!! To often, as I scan the lists, I cringe at the lack of stimulating Keeperships. "Buffy's Red Shoe" "Xander's Brown Belt" "Gile's Pencil" Yawn.... Come on people. Tap into the recesses of your brain and get the hamsters running. KEEPING is for fun....SO HAVE FUN!!! "Buffy's Red Shoe of Vengeful Retribution" "Xander's *Whip 'em Like a Red Headed Step Child* Brown Belt" "Giles #2 Pencil of Love" O.K. Forget about that last one....but the point is....well....use your head. When you request an item, think about what it was used for? What was it's significance? Was there any quip attached to it? Use those to expand on the duldrum. I know the Site Owners get a kick out of clever claims. Oh, you don't have to turn every request into complex metaphor. Just do it once in awhile. It'll spice up your Keeperships and bring a smile to everyone else. Another quick note. KEEPERSHIP of any of the characters themselves, their body parts, their love, hearts, family members, etc.... is strictly forbidden. Also nothing "NASTY" or "PROFANE." Just items/situations that they've used on the show (Buffy's Dance, Angel's Ring). I know you'll see exceptions to this on the lists, so if you want to try your luck go ahead. I.E.: Some Site's also offer GUARDING. In Guarding you ARE allowed to request more intimate and emotional things (Thats how it differs from KEEPING). You are NOT THE KEEPER but rather the, as the name implies, GUARDIAN of that specific thing. It is yours to protect and care for. Which ever realm you decide to explore, KEEPING or GUARDING, do it only on the OFFICIAL KEEPING PAGES. Accept no substitutes, mostly because if you do no one else is going to. How do you know if its OFFICIAL? Good question....here's the answer: If it's on Lisa Rose's Index Page OR listed below, it's OFFICIAL. Anything else....is not. This is just kind of General Disclaimer. O.K. There's the tips. Not that hard to understand and you'll find that Keeping becomes less of a chore if you know what to do. Keep in mind that all the Site Owners put their time and effort into these pages. They work hard to make sure all us crazed Buffy fans have a place to exhibit our addiction. Treat them well and shower them with thanks. There it is kiddies. Learn it. Love it. Live it. Happy Keeping, THE ARCHANGEL GUARDIAN OF KEEPERSHIP _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #186 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)