From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #275 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Tuesday, May 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 275 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked BUFFY: My Becoming Comments.... BUFFY: Becoming Re: Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable BUFFY: it's that time again...WILLOW, WILLOW, WILLOW Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." BUFFY:Spoiler Re:Whistler Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable BUFFY: Re: Angel Needs to Be Staked Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable Re: BUFFY: Paperweight Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked BUFFY: Next week's speculation Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." BUFFY: Giles Keeping Re: BUFFY: Paperweight Re: BUFFY: Xander Re: BUFFY: Paperweight Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl BUFFY: Re: [buffydiscussion] Is Buffy a Good Slayer? Re: BUFFY: Giles in Becoming Re: BUFFY: wgn news BUFFY: Cast Lists BUFFY: Whistler Re: BUFFY: Paperweight BUFFY: "Becoming" - I LIKED IT! Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl BUFFY: Kendra See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:01:03 EDT From: Smellcore Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked In a message dated 5/13/98 3:26:17 AM, you wrote: <> I could see your point if there weren't a way to "save" Angel from the demon and thus save Buffy from having to stake the one that she loves. People have died, because of the creature inside Angel. Why should more have to suffer loss (like Buffy would if she had to stake Angel knowing that she could have saved him) in order to pursue some idea of justice? But killing Angel when they can restore his soul isn't justice it's vengence. And it's unnecessary now hat they have found the disk. Pandora - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:00:48 EDT From: TknoPagan Subject: BUFFY: My Becoming Comments.... Okay, First off....Oh My God! No I am not goign to say they killed Kendra, but it looks like I did. Sorry. I must say Joss has brought back the superb quality to the show that I love so much. Becoming was more than I had hoped for, but lacked after I watched it. If that makes sense!?!? Okay, first lets start with Kendra (RIP). Kendra-I would have liked to have seen her die with more dignity. The whole Dru hypnotizing her was mildly disappointing. I am glad to see that Dru can hold her own, even if it is against a Slayer. And surely if Dru can use these powers, Angel or Spike must have them also, if it is not a thing connected with her psychic powers. Second Problem. Darla-I would have liked to have seen her teach Angel a little bit more throughout the episode. Third. Xanders Attitiude-I think this has been carried over the line just a little bit. Since when did Xander become the protector of all that is good. Yeah I can agree with him on a certain level, but only so far. And he and Cordelia are seeming more like just good friends, no? Fourth Comment Buffy-Come on, we see the same plot, talk about Buffy's deja vu, I think I am catching it. Wasn't this the plot from When She Was Bad. I do think Sarah looked a lot better in this show rather than her others, the hair etc. I enjoyed the brief interlude to her "Becoming" the chosen one. I would have liked to learn a little more about her Watcher. But overall I give this 13 out of 10 stars. Is that considered luck in the Hellmouth. Oh one more thing. I totally really did not like the fact that Willow was smashed by a bookcase, I thought she was going to puch it on the vamp. And where did Cordy run to? Okay end of discussion. Jason TknoPagan@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:04:08 PDT From: "Ximenita Gonzalez" Subject: BUFFY: Becoming I haven't written in a long time but since this will probably be the last time I will be able to be ont he list for the summer I'd like to say some things about this kick butt episode. I thought they did a wonderful job on the flashback sequences. the costumes were wonderful and the set wasn't too shabby. In the 1996 flashback angel reminded me so much of Louis from The vampire Chronicles. the pain and remorse in Angels eyes and demeanor were palpable. I was cracking up when giles said he had been using the orb of thessula as a paperweight. I also thought it was cool that they used used Giles in his capacity as a former museum curator. At least other people know of his expertise. The labs closing but I will try to finish this soon before I leave the list for the summer Ximenita Gonzalez NJ Keeper of Willow's nightmare about singing on stage and nothing coming out " " " Willow's brighter side of (almost) any situation " " " Willow's first kiss with OZ Member of the DC/East coast Buffy Crew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:04:16 EDT From: Smellcore Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable In a message dated 5/13/98 3:29:12 AM, you wrote: <> Oh but we do. We even make exceptions for popular ex-pro-football players. . . Pandora - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:17:35 -0500 From: "Brenda L." Subject: BUFFY: it's that time again...WILLOW, WILLOW, WILLOW here's the deal...the current willow keeper count is 436 (give or take a couple emails i haven't responded to yet)...but we need MORE, MORE, MORE!!! if you're already a keeper, thanks so much for your support over the past season (at the beginning of season two, there were a mere 68 willow keepers)...i believe the time has come to "educate" your friends in the ways of willow...for those of you who haven't ventured into the keepership realm, there's no time like the present...i've added many, many items to the unclaimed items page of the keeper site for those of you looking for a little "help" in staking a claim... so, that's it, kids...please join me in showing your support for willow...i'm looking forward to a mailbox full of wonderfully creative willow claims...(QUICK TIP: the key to successful keeping, especially after a new episode, is creativity and quantity...send multiple items in your request and you'll have a better chance of getting what you want...and put some thought into it --- nobody else thinks like you, right?! ) Brenda, WPWP #215 creatv@concentric.net the willow keepers site...436 keepers and counting! http://www.concentric.net/~creatv/willow/index.html I'm a Hanniganite...ask me how! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:19:40 -0400 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." The coat wasn't reflecting and making all kind of shiny funky colors on anyone else's set? > It's cuz SMG is so short. Wearing a long coat just sort of accentuates her > vertical challengedness. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Carroll Subject: BUFFY:Spoiler Re:Whistler This spoiler doesn't apply to the Becoming episode, but to a rumor (confirmed I think) that was circulating awhile ago. I don't think it is a really big deal, but I would rather be safe than sorry. S P O I L E R _ S P A C E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hope that is enough, I lost count :) Remember the rumor that there will be an upcoming Buffy spin-off? Maybe it will center around this Whistler guy, and other demons who fight for good. It sounded to me like there was some sort of organization. Just a thought. (I told you it wasn't a big deal) On another topic: I can't remember who said this, but I think (based on the trailer) that Buffy's mom is going to find about Buffy next week, too. Hope so, I think its about time she got a clue. Robin (Loved this episode, counting the days 'til next Tuesday) rncl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu "You've got to dance like nobody's watching, and love like its never going to hurt." -- unknown - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:27:35 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked Edwin Nipper : >Angel needs to die. For the very reason that all of you say he needs to >live. Its not Angel doing these things, its the demon. For this reason he >must die. First of all, is no one else out there troubled by the fact that most of us have debated and put more thought into this issue than the characters that are supposed to be living this whole situation out?? Here's my take for what it's worth. I think the best thing that could happen is that the demon Angelus is killed *and* Angel's soul is somehow restored. But as things stand right now, that is not an option. So ... As far as I can tell, the ritual that Willow knows how to perform is the same one that was performed on Angelus back in the 1898 flashback. I assume the intended result of the spell is once again to put Angel's soul back into his body to co-habitate with, but yet control, the demon. Before the gang discovered the disk and figured out how to redo the curse, I was all for Buffy staking the demon Angelus simply because I felt it was a dereliction of her duty to allow him to kill any more people. But now putting Angel's soul back into his body is another method of preventing the demon Angelus from killing any more people. So my point now is that I think the relevant question is: Which do you consider more just? A dead demon Angelus and no way that we know (at the present time) of restoring Angel's soul since the body will be turned to dust. Or a re-souled Angel, in control -- for now, at least -- of the demon. I don't think that's an easy question. Consider the latter case. Sure, the demon will still suffer -- we've seen how much he hated the last 100 years and how much he hated feeling love in IOHEFY. But then there's the problem that the demon could re-emerge again. And: Edwin Nipper : >Giving him back his soul would be a worse >punishment for Angel than anything else you could think of. Before, the >people he hurt were usually anonymous. Just faces in the crowd. Now, the >people he has hurt are the people he loves. There's that point. Now, it's arguable as to whether Angel's soul really should feel responsible for what the demon Angelus did with his body, but I think the relevant point is that he likely will. Bottom line: If this really is just the curse all over again, I think I prefer the former case -- the death of the demon Angelus. The possibility of Angelus emerging again from a re-souled Angel is what tilts it for me. Besides, if it really is just the curse one more time, Buffy and Angel could never allow themselves to achieve true happiness ever again anway; it would have dire consequences. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:25:26 -0400 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable You're right, he may be jealous and could care less about Jenny's death, but his argument is still valid. Let's say ANgel gets his soul back. Great. So they're all sitting around watching TV one day and laughing and someone pipes up with "hey Angel, you remember that time you killed Jenny?" "Or what about that time you ripped that little boy's heart out?" Yeah, so it was the "demon" that killed those people and not "Angel." What's the difference? He's a vampire and as far as we know, there's no cure for vamps to go back to being humans. It's a shame that he's posessed and all, but it doesn't change the fact that people are dying needlessly when Buffy could have saved them by killing him in Innocence. Their blood is on her hands and, as much as I hated Kendra, she knew what she was doing and didn't put her feelings over the lives of countless people. lawless Vickie Adams wrote: > LilyRei hit the nail on the head. Xander has already admitted (in Passions) > that he's never been a member of Angel's fanclub. Whether Xander's dating > Cordy or not, (IMHO) he's still got feelings for Buffy. Staking Angel gets > him gone once and for all. Xander's not rational --- he's jealous. Xander's - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:28:45 -0400 From: Edwin Nipper Subject: BUFFY: Re: Angel Needs to Be Staked >I could see your point if there weren't a way to "save" Angel from the demon and thus save Buffy from having to stake the one that she loves. (snip) But killing Angel when they can restore his soul isn't justice it's vengence. And it's unnecessary now hat they have found the disk. >Pandora There's a couple small flaw in your logic here. (1) They didn't know there was a way to save Angel. They just found the disk Jenny made in this past ep. Letting him run around was incredibly foolish, and in the end they paid for it. Or rather Jenny did. Angel should have been staked as soon as he changed. (2) What if the curse Jenny set up is an exact copy of the original. Buffy and Angel still couldn't be together for fear of him becoming Angelus again. Better just to stake him. (3) What if the curse doesn't work? After all, the Romani magics are gone now. Jenny's uncle said so himself. Can they really afford to take a chance on this? And killing Angel now, even after they found the disk, wouldn't be vengence so much as prudence unless they can guarantee that once he got his soul back he would never lose it again. Angelus is just too dangerous to take that chance on. ========================================================================== "The only people who have no fear are those too stupid to know what to be afraid of." Edwin Nipper enipper@mindspring.com ========================================================================== - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:29:32 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable In a message dated 5/12/98 8:29:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lawless@smgfan.com writes: >A lot of people would kill themselves regardless of what they've done, that's why the suicide rate is so high.< I think some of the reasons people commit suicide is because they feel backed into a corner, feel they have nothing to live for, and/or they are unbelievably depressed. Lots of people have probably given suicide a passing thought, but they haven't killed themselves because when they really thought about it being dead wasn't what they wanted to be. It makes perfect sense to me that someone would choose to live with torment and try to do some good as opposed to taking the easy way out. Torment doesn't equal debilitating depression, and I think Angel got on track after meeting Whistler. That is he stopped wallowing in self-pity or whatever and decided to make the best of the situation. >You win over a lot more people being rational than you do screaming and yelling and trying to punch out Giles.< > But you've got it backwards here, Giles was the one who approached Xander aggressively and started yelling. Xander never tried to punch him or even< Perhaps. I'd have to watch my tape again. But Xander's demeanor and words were very antagonistic and provocative. As usual, he shoots off his mouth without thinking and this is something to he should be applauded for? As I said before, he has a right to his opinion and he could have said the same thing without being a total hot-head jerk. Which is the way he comes across. >>People who are under the influence of drugs or have mental ailments are in the exact same position, yet we don't stand up for them and keep giving them second chances.< No, we put them in jail forever or a mental institution until they are pronounced sane. Under extreme circumstances we execute them, but even then usually someone is out there protesting until the end. So that proves to me that we are very divided on the subject of putting someone to death. And we're not likely to resolve the issue here talking about fictional characters. > Xander, IMO, is the only rational one in the group.< I don't know, but when I think of rational Xander does not come to mind, at least not often, and certainly not after tonight's performance. >Too bad he's not the slayer.< Yeah. *Too* bad. LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: a mockingbird girl Subject: Re: BUFFY: Paperweight On Tue, 12 May 1998, Rmkhnk wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-12 22:04:57 EDT, JRoseHale@aol.com writes: > al., figure out what Jenny was up to b/c she bought an Orb from that > shopkeeper? If she had only known that Rupert had one ... > I figured that Rupert got the orb from Jenny's belongings after she died not > knowing how important it really was. We'll probably never know for sure. my funnest guess is that in "passion", the shopkeeper mentions that he's sold a few orbs as paperweights to some new ageists the year before. (i know this because i went through every transcript looking for hellmouth/school quotes. it's finals. my school *is* a hellmouth =) it'd be great if the shopkeeper thought giles was one. giles is still undercover as a watcher, and he's like "oh yeah, it's like. you know, a paperweight." debbie dia@fidalgo.net for the mail, webpage, and other misc. complaints =) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:31:49 -0400 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked Smellcore wrote: > I could see your point if there weren't a way to "save" Angel from the demon > and thus save Buffy from having to stake the one that she loves. People have > died, because of the creature inside Angel. Why should more have to suffer How do you know that Angel won't kill someone else before they can save him, if they even are able to save him. He already killed someone after the found the disk, the girl who sacrificed herself in the school. And what was her message..."others will die..." Plus, he was "saved" once and went back to being a vamp, how do they know he won't go back again? It's not "vengeance" OR "justice," it's responsibility. I still don't see how people are rationalizing his murders over the love they had. Yes, it's very beautiful and sweet, blah blah blah. It's insignificant. Do any of the victim's families care about it? Probably not. I can't speak from experience, but if I knew there were really vampires running around and I lived in Sunnydale, I'd want as many of them dead as possible. Whether they have a fling going with the slayer or not, I'm not going to risk someone who I care about being killed. Can any of you say different? lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:34:42 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: This is "Becoming" predictable In a message dated 5/12/98 9:29:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lawless@smgfan.com writes: > as much as I hated Kendra, she knew what she was doing and didn't put her feelings over the lives of countless people.> Hated Kendra? Man, those are very strong words. *Hate.* I mean I CAN'T STAND Xander, but I don't hate him yet. LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:38:29 EDT From: Tracyrr74 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Needs to Be Staked In a message dated 5/12/98 10:26:29 PM EST, enipper@mindspring.com writes: << Giving him back his soul would be a worse punishment for Angel than anything else you could think of. Before, the people he hurt were usually anonymous. Just faces in the crowd >> Sorry BUT he did kill his family. I wouldn't call them "just faces in the crowd" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:40:53 -0400 From: Lawless Subject: BUFFY: Next week's speculation This isn't really speculation so I won't bother with spoiler space, but I'd like to place my money down right now for 7 minutes or less (out of a 43 minute episode) of the stone guy in next week's episode. That includes any direct discussion about him and the final confrontation where he gets pushed off a ledge or something. I see I've posted quite a bit tonight so that's the last once for awhile. lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Carroll Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." On Tue, 12 May 1998, Lawless wrote: > What are you talking about? That wasn't a different watcher, it was Giles. he > just hadn't lost the weight yet :) LOL... Does anyone know where else I have seen the actor that played Buffy's first Watcher? > Was anyone else bothered by that Blue thing she wore? I don't know if it was > my TV set or the drinks but something was definately funky about that coat. > It looked like it was made out of teflon or something. Nevermind, probably > just my TV. Personally, it was the first thing I've seen Buffy wear that I wouldn't mind borrowing (I am a little old for her usual look). Loved the color, loved the style ect. I think the fabric _was_ shiny though, like tafeta or something. Definately ideal for fighting, but that happens alot ( facing the Master in a prom dress...). I will stop rambling now... Robin (How will I survive a long summer of repeats?) rncl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Giles Keeping Please do NOT request anything in your emails to keep something, I do assign things to ppl that way, I make up a list of stuff that's left to keep and those who reply first get what they ask for. If you'd like to keep something, email me, just don't tell me what it is. Sonja Marie - President - Anthony Stewart Head Fan Club (ASHFC) Official Anthony Head WebPage - http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/ Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - GASP!- Keeper of Coats & Ties Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) About What Fans Sent Him in the Mail: "Fair amount of lingerie, yeah, all of which I tried, none of which fitted" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Carroll Subject: Re: BUFFY: Paperweight On Tue, 12 May 1998, Rmkhnk wrote: > I figured that Rupert got the orb from Jenny's belongings after she died not > knowing how important it really was. We'll probably never know for sure. If I remember correctly, Angel smashed Jenny's orb in Passion. Robin rncl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:59:12 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander In a message dated 5/12/98 6:42:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CharlieS@webtv.net writes: > I certainly hope all of you that thing Xander isn't being "polite" enough in his feelings about Angel never have a loved one taken from them before their time.<< When Xander loses a loved one I'll take it under advisement. *slapping myself silly* Oh! But he did! Buffy to Angel. And he's still having a hissy fit. LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Subject: Re: BUFFY: Paperweight - ---Rmkhnk wrote: > I figured that Rupert got the orb from Jenny's belongings after she died not > knowing how important it really was. We'll probably never know for sure. > > - > > Giles couldn't have gotten the orb from Jenny's belongings, because the one that she had was smashed by Angel just before he killed her. Northcat-GASPer, keeper of Giles' office _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:01:32 EDT From: Nicoley99 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl In a message dated 98-05-12 23:10:45 EDT, Smellcore@aol.com writes: << The girl who was laid out did look a little like Dru but if you looke closer it wasn't her. >> No, it was Dru... you could totally tell! Even when she was speaking to Angel when she thought he was the priest... she still had that psycho sound to her voice :o)... it was Juliet L. the whole time... just with different makeup. Nicole - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: maxvl@iname.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: [buffydiscussion] Is Buffy a Good Slayer? "Gormly, Eileen E" , (The Eileen) wrote: > So Max has posited that Buffy is not a very good >slayer. I am not going to completely disagree with >that. But I'm not agreeing completely either. Hey, thanks for your comments. I'll have to think about them for a while. I guess that we will have a lot of time to muse on the series after next week (sigh). Max - ----------------------------------------------------- MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: "You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Subject: Re: BUFFY: Giles in Becoming - ---Jyinyang wrote: > > I haven't seen this brought up yet but what do you suppose they're going to do > with Giles? > > Joce > > - > > I think they need him to figure out what went wrong with the ritual. Maybe by having him translate the writing on the stone. Northcat-GASPer, keeper of Giles' office _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:06:40 -0700 From: twikos@webtv.net (Lupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: wgn news PLEASE! if you got a copy of it plase tell me, i missed it because i didn't know about it! why didn't somebody let me know! i always let people know of interviews on news. please if you made a copy please let me know i would pay for everything or trade, please help me if you can! Lupe twikos@webtv.net if you are looking for Buffy The Vampire Slayer merchandise & you are in the Los Angeles area you can go to: Astounding 2319-A West Olive Avenue Burbank, CA 91506 phone #: 1-818-953-7234 or online at: http://www.buffystore.com to vote for your favorite episode of BTVS go to: http://www.bradfitz.com/votingbooth/cordidetail - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:06:52 EDT From: CatDancer8 Subject: BUFFY: Cast Lists I have a big favor to ask of anyone on the list who can help me. I stupidly missed the credits at the end of both Go Fish and Becoming Part 1 in my recording. Since Domain of the Slain isn't going to be updated for a while, I'm wondering if anyone could get me a list of who was who on those episodes. I know all the recurring stars and such but those who had smaller roles and are listed in the credits at the end, I'd appreciate it if someone could send me those. Thanks. - -Michelle - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:55:07 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: BUFFY: Whistler Hey did anyone else notice the similarity between the Whistler and that guy who told Angel what the vampires were up to in that episode where Kendra first appeared (Innocence?) I have such a bad memory but he was an informant and was a bartender. Are they the same guy? Someone with tapes please check :) NRG - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:17:53 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: Paperweight In a message dated 5/12/98 8:54:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Rmkhnk@aol.com writes: > I figured that Rupert got the orb from Jenny's belongings after she died not > knowing how important it really was. We'll probably never know for sure. > Yes, we do know for sure. Angel(us) smashed the crap out of Jenny's orb. When Jenny purchased it, the shopkeeper was surprised she wanted one for its true purpose. He said he sold the orbs mostly to people who used them for paperweights. Giles. LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:18:41 EDT From: Nicoley99 Subject: BUFFY: "Becoming" - I LIKED IT! There are no spoilers in this, so I don't need space. Personally, I thought Becoming was great, and I was almost in tears at the end! I am so incredibly excited for the conclusion! I am not putting down anyone's opinions when they say they didn't like it, it's just that I have heard so many negative comments, I thought I might put my share of positive ones on the list. I thought everyone was great in it, I was screaming when the bookshelf.. well, you know if you saw it :o)... it was well written and acted very well... I have no complaints :o) Nicole - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:25:49 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl In a message dated 5/12/98 10:04:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nicoley99@aol.com writes: > No, it was Dru... you could totally tell! Even when she was speaking to Angel > when she thought he was the priest... she still had that psycho sound to her > voice :o)... it was Juliet L. the whole time... just with different makeup. > Sorry, if this has already been addressed. No. The gypsy girl is not Dru. If you look at your tape is slo-mo there is little similarity aside from the dark hair. The shape of dead girl's face is different. Now if you don't want to believe your eyes, Dru showed up in London in 1860. The curse incident took place in the Rumanian Woods in 1898 . . . 38 years later. If Dru was the gypsy girl don't you think she'd look a bit older by then? And do you really think a gyspy girl would be in a Catholic church whining about seeing things? LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:28:01 -0400 From: Bruce McMicking Subject: BUFFY: Kendra Well, I for one am betting we have not seen the last of Kendra. What was all that hypnotizing stuff Dru did to her before the superficial looking neck scratch thingy? My money goes on zombie or apprentise demon... Bruce - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #275 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)