From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #345 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Tuesday, June 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 345 In this issue: BUFFY: avis Re: BUFFY: Angel's Death BUFFY: Seth Article Re: BUFFY: BTVS MOVIE? BUFFY: Buffy mention Re: BUFFY: vampire movies Re: BUFFY: BTVS MOVIE? Re: BUFFY: vampire movies Re: BUFFY: vampire movies Re: BUFFY: vampire movies Re: BUFFY: vampire movies Re: BUFFY: vampire movies BUFFY: Waste of a question BUFFY: Buffy stuff BUFFY: Penpal BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! BUFFY: Looking for episode BUFFY: S.M.G. on SNL BUFFY: I will copy stuff for people BUFFY: Some assistance please Re: BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! Re: BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! BUFFY: nkabotfd - observations BUFFY: NKABOTFD retrospective! Re: BUFFY: NKABOTFD retrospective! BUFFY: Buffy Jeopardy answer BUFFY: More great news (kinda of) BUFFY: Ideas needed for Spike's Trunk BUFFY: Review--"Never Kill A Boy on the First Date." **SPOILERS!!** BUFFY: Willow and Xander BUFFY: Overnight ratings for NKABOTFD See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:55:24 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: avis does anyone know when the season two avi's are going to be up at flaggs site? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Gubs Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's Death > But Angel is not really dead unlike Jenny. It would almost be better if angel was really dead. Buffy wouldn't be happy but she could accept t THAT she had released him from the neverending guilt that is his non-life. This way he is just stuck in hel enduring torment. Especially as the angel we know would heave been headed in the other direction Gubs gnn200@is7.nyu.edu,gabe31@juno.com,nich9354@sparky.cs.nyu.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Amiee Collier Subject: BUFFY: Seth Article Sorry if this has been posted, but there's a fun interview with Seth Green and four other guys from 'Can't Hardly Wait' about the ins and outs of dating in Jump Magazine. I found the article on the web at http://home.klis.com/~ryans/jump_1.html == Amiee The Babe Known as Xander: http://www.geocities.com/~aecollier/ "It's not easy having a good time ... Even smiling makes my face ache." - Frank, The Rocky Horror Picture Show _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:13:01 PDT From: "Marat Sade" Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS MOVIE? >ohhh wait can you or someone send me the whole discusing on that movie thing cuz i wasnt here << don't worry there wasn't much discussing.... its pretty much their making a movie all in all marat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: BUFFY: Buffy mention excerpt from "It's summer, viewers--time to get a life," by Ken Parish Perkins (NY Times News Service), June 21, 1998: Season's over. Reruns till August. Be bold. Be radical. Not a bad time to try new things. Like sleeping. Like eating. Like cleaning that mess in front of you. Reintroduce yourself to society. date. Play with your kid. He's a year older, you know. Brandon and Kelly from "Beverly Hills 90210"? Got hitched. Angel and Buffy from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? She took the dude out. Jamie and Paul of "Mad About You?" It's a girl. You know. You were there. You laughed, you cried, you cheered. *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | Betsy Vera | | | bentley@umich.edu | | | bentley.simplenet.com | | *--------------------------------------------------------------------* - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:38:19 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net (Katie Masters) Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies >I bet not. I don't think many of the Buffy things will become any big >sellers, because the show is kinda popular, but not a huge hit. Plus, >they're hasn't been too much success for comic books made after shows and >movies. I'll make sure to get all the copies though. Actually, it's a HUGE hit if you think about it. Just it's fans seem to be really spread out and embarassed, IMHO. Katie Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish, WIllow's leather mini, Cordelia's stakes, and the heart necklace Xander gave cordy on V-Day. Guardian of Spike's feelings of rejection from Angel & Angel's adoptive mother Keeper of Roses Wine colored dress & white chiffon "Life is not a dress rehearsal" - Kate Winslet. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:41:01 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: BTVS MOVIE? In a message dated 98-06-22 15:16:06 EDT, vampireslayr@hotmail.com writes: << don't worry there wasn't much discussing.... its pretty much their making a movie all in all >> correction... they are THINKING about making another movie. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 16:55:09 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies movies.> Not true. The Dark Horse Star Wars, Aliens and Predator series have done very well. Of course, they were based on big budget movies not TV shows, so who knows. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:44:39 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies In a message dated 98-06-22 16:43:15 EDT, kmasters@rof.net writes: << Actually, it's a HUGE hit if you think about it. Just it's fans seem to be really spread out and embarassed, IMHO. >> Right now Buffy has a very large cult following... much like X-Files in it's first two seasons (although not to such an extreme). It would be a mistake to make another Buffy movie right now. The only people that would see it are the people who are on this list, naturally, and other faithful Buffy viewers. It may seem like alot to us, because we go to sights and posting boards where we know that we are going to find other people like us. But, although Buffy gets the second best ratings of any show on the WB... it still can't touch the big network shows. That is not saying that Buffy isn't just as GOOD a show. It just doesn't get the ratings and, therefore, any plans for another motion picture should and probably will be held up. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 17:49:39 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies This would largely depend on critical word of mouth. There is always a market for good vampire movies so it could do really well. Frankly, I might have never tried the series if TV critics hadn't talked it up so much when it came out. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:21:33 -0400 From: sah Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies At 05:44 PM 6/22/98 EDT, DIESEL456@aol.com wrote: >Right now Buffy has a very large cult following... much like X-Files in it's >first two seasons (although not to such an extreme). It would be a mistake to >make another Buffy movie right now. The only people that would see it are the >people who are on this list, naturally, and other faithful Buffy viewers. Not necessarily. I strongly suspect SMG would be a big enough box office draw to make a feature marginally successful. I think how well the two movies she's doing this summer do will be an indication. If people turn out at the box office just to see *her* then they'll probably come to see a BTVS movie. Additionally, plenty of people go to anything with vampires in it, so you attact that crowd (the same crowd that might only tune in for the vamp-heavy episodes of the series). - --sah sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack*JunglePatrol*Bishop*FoFoD*BBPGrrl:GLIL*BTVS colistowner http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html http://free.prohosting.com/~romana/natpack/index.html "Atheism is a non-prophet organization." --bumpersticker - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:41:32 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: vampire movies In a message dated 98-06-22 17:50:01 EDT, DIESEL456@aol.com writes: << Right now Buffy has a very large cult following... much like X-Files in it's first two seasons (although not to such an extreme). It would be a mistake to make another Buffy movie right now. The only people that would see it are the people who are on this list, naturally, and other faithful Buffy viewers. >> Well if they decide to make the movie, filming couldn't begin until the next summer hiatus. The movie would not come out until the following year, 2000. That is two more seasons of Buffy to get through. Hopefully by then, the shows popularity will have increased. Larry Z. Lazy0718@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:24:00 -0700 From: "Karri Lucas@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Waste of a question Subject: BUFFY: Buffy stuff Subject: BUFFY: Penpal Hi! I'm looking for a 12-14/m who likes Buffy and Dawson's Creek. And also sends snail mail (as in mail boxes) Diane - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:19:25 PDT From: "Kelly Girl" Subject: BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! I just finished watching Never kill a boy on the first date-- another BTVS great episode--I never!!!get tired of watching BTVS reruns. The second season is good-but the first season is so-oo GOOD! YA know where I'll be for tuesday,but I am really waiting for next Monday.... also,does anyone else think that the music tonight was really cool? kellygirl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:51:24 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: BUFFY: Looking for episode Hi! I'm looking for a GREAT quality copy of "Welcome To H-Mouth / harvest" (Taped in SP) to complete my collection (I have an ok copy of WTHM)...if anyone can help please email me! - -- What about God? Where am I that I don't feel him anymore? Can a man go so far he doesn't feel the presence of his closest friend? What about God? -Crystal Lewis - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:34:53 -0400 From: "Charles Molnar" Subject: BUFFY: S.M.G. on SNL I just found out from Buffy.Org that Saturday Night Live with Sarah Gellar hosting, will be on June27, 98. Charlie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:53:28 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: BUFFY: I will copy stuff for people I've gotton tons of emails about my posts and I just wanted to tell everyone: I have every episode of Buffy on tape, tons of SMG interviews, Swans Crossing, All My Children and much more stuff with SMG in it if anyone wants me to copy something for them! - -- What about God? Where am I that I don't feel him anymore? Can a man go so far he doesn't feel the presence of his closest friend? What about God? -Crystal Lewis - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:29:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "F.Y.G." Subject: BUFFY: Some assistance please Attention Buffy fans and especially the fanatics, I would like to ask if anyone would be generous to help me gather some info on our stars. I am looking for the names of agents and managers and their corresponding agencies for each actor. I already know some and would really appreciate any help in getting the rest. Please help if you can and send the info to me privately so as not to consume bandwith. If you can't help, then hope for the best. F.Y.G./missile - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:41:40 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net (Katie Masters) Subject: Re: BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! What are they playing tomorrow night? Katie Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish, WIllow's leather mini, Cordelia's stakes, and the heart necklace Xander gave cordy on V-Day. Guardian of Spike's feelings of rejection from Angel & Angel's adoptive mother Keeper of Roses Wine colored dress & white chiffon "Life is not a dress rehearsal" - Kate Winslet. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:57:12 -0600 From: NiK Subject: Re: BUFFY: luv monday nite rerun of the 1st season! >What are they playing tomorrow night? Some Assembly Required Remember, you can always check www.buffy.org and they will tell you what's playing for the next couple o' weeks. - -NiK Xianson NiK Records Inc panam@mail.execpc.com http://members.tripod.com/~nikrecords/ "This was worse than sex with my wife!" -Anonymous man after watching 'Spice World' - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:46:43 PDT From: "Boys R Us" Subject: BUFFY: nkabotfd - observations I just watched Never Kill a Boy on the First Date for the umpteenth time tonight. Still one of my favorite episodes - with some of the *best* lines, ("You killed my date!" - still makes me laugh :) I just have a few thoughts and observations: 1 - I just have to laugh at the "barricading" scenes in Buffy. They always throw stuff in front of the door that my three year old could break through. Like in this ep: The morticians office door is barricaded with two chairs, some sofa cushions, a lamp shade, and, oh, let's throw this lamp on for good measure. Is this a private joke with Joss? Because each time a door is blocked, it's usually, if not always, something on castors or equally easy to bust through. Still makes me giggle. Loved the ep (the name escapes me) where Xander blocks the library door with a card catolog case on castors, and then Buffy just pulls on the door to open it. Mwa ha ha. 2 - In this episode I've always noticed the way Buffy seems to grow taller in some scenes. When she is dancing with Owen, she barely comes to his shoulder, but in the close up scenes, her eyes are almost to his mouth. I know it makes a better frame, but it still makes my eyebrows lift. This happens in "Angel" as well. This speaks two things: David and the actor who play Owen are tall, and SMJ is very teeny. Such a cute teeny thing . I notice stuff like this because I'm tall, (5'9") and all during high school the tall boys dated those teeny girls, leaving us tall girls with the shorter guys. Argh! Made me so angry. Fortunately I married a tall guy :) Not related to this episode: I've been trying to get a new library of music, and have gone to Leslie's *great* music site - http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8864/music.htm to cross check my choices with the Buffy stuff. As many of you know, "Sprung Monkey" is a Buffy favorite. So, I asked my 17 year old son if he'd ever heard of Sprung Monkey, and he responded with, "That's sick." Okay - so here's my question: Please tell me the name of this group means something other than the obvious that my son picked up on in a great big hurry, while I was clueless until he pointed it out - ew. I'm such a rare poster . . . this is so scary handymom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pewter Boy Subject: BUFFY: NKABOTFD retrospective! I have a few questions about tonight's episode. Towards the end of Season II, many on the list wanted songs by Sarah McClachan (sp?) be a part of the show because her lyrics fit so perfectly--but am I mistaken or was that Sarah McClachan singing in the backgroud in the last scene with Buffy and Owen in the courtyard?? Also in season II, the second part episode where Kendra was introduced, it was revealed that there was a Slayer Handbook, but in NKABOTFD, in the last scene, Giles says that there is no handbook. Just a little nitpicking to wet our tastebuds during the offseason. =P Dave N. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill ngan@rohan.sdsu.edu dngan@lykos.netpart.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:37:32 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: NKABOTFD retrospective! In a message dated 98-06-23 02:28:59 EDT, ngan@rohan.sdsu.edu writes: << Also in season II, the second part episode where Kendra was introduced, it was revealed that there was a Slayer Handbook, but in NKABOTFD, in the last scene, Giles says that there is no handbook. Just a little nitpicking to wet our tastebuds during the offseason. =P >> Giles told Buffy that he felt that the handbook would have been useless in Buffy's case. (What's My Line 2) Larry Z. Lazy0718@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:33:10 -0700 From: Suze Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Jeopardy answer There is a Buffy Jeopardy answer(And question) in the show that airs on July 2. It is a repeat, but it is regular Jeopardy and not the college tournament. Just passing along information in case anyone is interested. Suze Suzecamp@Mindspring.com "We can't be free until we learn to laugh at ourselves." G'Kar-Babylon 5 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:36:36 +0800 From: The Rowcrofts Subject: BUFFY: More great news (kinda of) Well after my post of the Australia return of Buffy in August, i do beleive (well it's a very small rumor) that Sarah is on her way out to Australia possibly around Christmas time to promote the series and her new movie(s), now apparently here in Australia and here in perth are getting a new cinema built and will be opened at the end of November, i was talking with someone from Greater Union (the cinema) they want a big star to come and open it and have an Australian premire, everyone at this stage is talking about either Jennifer Love's new movie ISKWYDLS, Keanu Reeves new movie Matrix which is being filmed in Australia or Sarah movie Cruel Inventions which is due out at the end of the year, i keep you posted of that, but what exclent news, i do beleive she will be going to other cities. (BUT AS I SAID ONLY A VERY SMALL RUMOR) Another thing, another here who has Foxtel and Fox Soap tune in tomorrow cause "All My Children" was on there, i saw a ad for it today and had Sarah in it, but when exactly does she leave, must tune it to see. Cya Dave biggs@wantree.com.au http://surf.to/biggs - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:43:58 +0100 (BST) From: La Belle Dame Sans Merci Subject: BUFFY: Ideas needed for Spike's Trunk Hi again all! Im putting up a page of Vampire and British Jokes. Can anyone help me? I only have one Vamp joke and not too many english jokes (but I can make do with welsh and scottish). thanks for your help! toni Toni Mandry enpfs@csv.warwick.ac.uk http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1247/vampjokes.html "Either this wallpaper goes, or I do." Oscar Wilde's last words - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: BUFFY: Review--"Never Kill A Boy on the First Date." **SPOILERS!!** Warning: I've consulted the ancient texts and they all agree--major SPOILERS for Never Kill a Boy on the First Date" are just ahead... In short: A fair effort. I believe I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again. I'm an opening credits reader. And I'm one of those people who can usually tell based on who wrote an episode and who directed it whether or not I'm going to love it, just enjoy it, or loath it. And as hard as I try, sometimes certain writers will fall into my category of "Oh not, not them again" and have a hard time working their way out of it. Rob DesHotel and Dean Batai are two such writers. My main gripe with them is they served up this year's really horrific, Killed by Death, which in case you were wondering, I rewatched it and I still hate it. So, when I saw their names flash on screen last night, a few random thoughts ran through my head. The first was they wrote Killed By Death. Another was they wrote Phases, that was actually pretty good. Finally, part of figured that during the first season of the show, they might have shown some more glimmers of greatness than we saw in season two. So, I went into Never Kill a Boy on the First Date with an open mind. And was sort of disappointed. Don't get me wrong--I'm not here to condemn the episode, just to say it's not as strong as I'd hoped. Honestly, the A and B plots, while both interesting in their own right never meshed well enough together to be that interesting. I found myself drawing comparions to School Hard with Buffy being forced to have her life as the slayer impose on her attempt to have a normal life as a high school student. And I think School Hard di it better because, frankly, the people in jeopardy were recurring characters such as Joyce and Prinpal Snyder, whom we have a bit more of an emotional inventment in and who also have a lot more characte depth to draw from. Owen, while intersting at times, didn't hold my interest. I guess part of me found his wanting to flirt with death and dead bodies a bit two-dimensional. His overzealousness at getting to go the funeral home and chasing Buffy seemed a bit too over the top for me. I think a large part of it was that in high school if I'd come on that strongly to a girl, to the point of following her around as Owen did in the final stages that it would be a cause of being more alarmed than appearing cute. The episode also brings up a theme that will be heavily examined in the second season--that of Buffy's have to acept the responsibility of being the slayer and how it affects her life. I like that we see some of the seeds that will later grow into a great disatisfaction being sown here. And once again while School Hard will later deal with a lot of these issues in greater detail later, it's nice to see how they begin to emerge here. For the most part, the Buffy and Owen scenes were nicely done. I liked seeing Buffy a little bit less sure of herself when faced with Owen's flirting. Her attempt to find a copy of Emily Dickinson to impress him really rang true as did most of her conversations with Willow, Xander, and Giles. I think the best scene of the entire episode was the closing one between Giles and Buffy about her role and responsibilities. I really enjoyed that since it echoed a few of my favorite season two closing scenes such as Lie to Me or Innocence. And for me, that's lofty company. What really didn't work was the whole prophecy issue. I'm sure that a large part of it was knowing just who the Annointed One (or as Spike calls him the Annying One) would turn out to be took a lot of the drama and tension out of it. And maybe kept the ending from being quite so jaw dropping as I'm sure they intended it to be. But, I have to say that I tried to dismiss all of these and really watch the story for the story's sake and enjoy it. And I never really came together. I think part of it is that the plotline was secondary to the Buffy/Owen plot. Both stories were important and interesting and could have been developed equally. It seemed that the cuts to the Master and his horrde of vamps were just there to push the plot forward a bit, rather than giving me the suspense that plotline needed. It would have made for a lot for supsense had we known how the plan was proceeding rather than just hearing about it at the beginning, seeing Buffy and the crew trying to deal with it in the dark, and then seeing it wrapped up at the end. Not a strong plot, but one I can live with a bit. Also, the entire idea of why the Annointed One was so powerful and so feared was never really made clear. He's got some really special powers, but OK, what are they? He can set the Master free. OK, how? I guess part of my problem is you had a lot of good ideas here, but so few of them were fully developed enough that in the end I was left with some big frustrations. But, I guess I will have to just wait and see if these things play out. I remember at times during season two wondering where all of this was going and then having Joss show me and go, "Cool." I honestly hope that Never Kill a Boy on the First Date makes a whole lot more sense and plays better after seeing the rest of the season one episodes. Until then, it's just going to rank as an above average episode. So, I guess that about wraps it it for now. Final Rating: 6.0 (out of 10.0) Next up: Tuesday night--Somebody want's Cordy's body....and next Monday, Xander's acting strange...well, at least stranger than usual. Copyright 1998 by Michael Hickerson. All Rights Reserved "The ear flaps bring out your eyes..." --Xander - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:55:35 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Willow and Xander Is it just me, or is the whole Willow/Xander thing from NKaBotFD really tension filled? That "we knew it would happen sooner or later, so we just gave in" quote from Willow is priceless. Things like these (as well as Xander's realization that he does love Willow in B2) tend to make me believe that Willow and Xander should end up together at least for a little while (like in a posession/spell thing, but not like in BBB). But I do know that it would be too wierd under normal conditions. Then maybe Oz and Cordelia....uh.. think I've had too little sleep and too much Mountain Dew Another thing: Where have I seen Owen before? I remember reading that DC and BtVS exchange extras. Was he ever on DC? Or am I asking the wrong people? I love Angel's jealousy at Owen's relationship to Buffy! I'd forgotten how cute the good Angel is. Well, I should probably sleep Caren filly22595@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:15:55 -0400 From: "Jeff Rohaly" Subject: BUFFY: Overnight ratings for NKABOTFD Last night's repeat of Never Kill A Boy On The First Date (the 4th time it's been shown) received a 3.3 rating/5 share in the overnight Nielsen ratings for households. Overnight ratings are based on viewing in only 40 of the largest television markets, not the nation as a whole. The 7th Heaven that preceded it got a 4.3/8 (up from a 4.2/7 last week). It would appear that the novelty of first season repeats has worn thin quite quickly. Buffy lost 23% of 7th Heaven's lead-in in total households and also lost a relatively substantial 3 shares. That's much worse than last week's repeat of The Witch that received a 3.8/6 and lost only 10% of its lead-in. Finally, according to the data that I have, Buffy has not recorded something as low as a 5 share since last summer. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com http://www.iaw.on.ca/~rohaly/tvschedule/buffy.html (archive of Buffy's Nielsen ratings) - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #345 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)