From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #354 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Monday, June 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 354 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Buffy mousepad? Re: BUFFY: Angel Timeline Question Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander BUFFY: Giles/Buffy's Mom Joyce BUFFY: Oz BUFFY: Buffy Magazines BUFFY: Re: Buffy for the guys, Angel for the girls? Re: BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #352 Re: BUFFY: Xander/Buffy Re: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander Re: BUFFY: Xander/Buffy BUFFY: Buffy: Comments [none] Re: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy's Mom Joyce BUFFY: screensaver... BUFFY: SMG Re: BUFFY: Oz BUFFY: OBbuffy: Themes Re: BUFFY: Relationships BUFFY: OB Really stupid tech question Re: BUFFY: Relationships Re: BUFFY: Relationships Re: BUFFY: Relationships BUFFY: Xander/Angel issue Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander Re: BUFFY: Metcalf sighting BUFFY: Any New Buffy Websites? And Website Moving BUFFY: Buffy: Angel vs Xander Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy for the guys, Angel for the girls? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:48:18 -0400 From: Scott Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy mousepad? There's a company that can take any digital photo you give them, and turn it in to a mouse pad. I can't remember the name of it or the address (I know, i'm a real help), but I've seen a couple they've done with the Buffy cast on them and they look pretty good. Should be able to find it in a search at Yahoo. Aly Walansky wrote: > Hi guys - > > I need help. I just got a new desk for my room, and I want to replace > my old filty mousepad with a new buffy pad. I went to Powerstar > Merchandise at http://www.interport.net/~walansky/buffymerc.htm and > although they have some great posters, t-shirts, keychains, jewelry - > even stakes, they don't carry any mousepads. Any one know of a site > where I can find one? > > love, > aly > aly@unforgettable.com > Want to see a great page devoted to Buffy, General Hospital, and the > new "Angel" series? > Go to http://www.interport.net/~walansky/aly.htm and find pictures, > wavs, spoilers, webrings and episode guides galore > "I love you. I try not to, but I can't stop" > ----Angel, "Surprise" - Buffy The Vampire Slayer > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:06:22 -0400 From: Ann M Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Timeline Question >Remember Halloween? When Willow and Buffy are looking at the Watcher Diaries >Willow says that Angel was 18, and still a human. > Right, the exact year was 1775 and that makes perfect sense in the Angel is 240 in 1996. It doesn't make sense however when we see his age in 1753 where he is clearly at least 18 or older and has been changed by Darla. So again, I ask...how does the timeframe make sense? Ann :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:28:03 -0400 From: Scott Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander joegillis [tm] wrote: > doesn't know if by not telling Buffy she staked Angel when she maybe could > have just held him off until his soul was restored. And if that was the > case, then yes, I could see being angry at Xander. And keeping information > from Buffy WAS wrong of him. I'll agree with everyone that his decision might not have been "morally" for the best, but almost everyone on the show is guilty of the same thing. Giles kept the whole Ethan thing from them and Buffy's lied to more people than I can count, including her mother. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:39:11 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy's Mom Joyce Hi everyone... I'm fairly new to the list. I've been reading about what everyone thinks about Xander/Buffy. Which I think I like Willow and Xander to end up together instead of Buffy/Xander. I think its strictly a High School crush thing with him. But thats just my opinion :) Anyhow... I think it would provide a great twist to the show if Giles and Buffy's mom Joyce got together. I think that would be great. It would definatly help Buffys mom understand that being a 'slayer' is something you are called to do and that no matter what she thinks you can't change that. I also think it would provide some great awkward scenes for Buffy and Giles. I just think that it would be interesting. What does everyone else think? Ly - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:29:37 -0400 From: Schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: Oz Pandora wrote: << the kind of guy women fall in LOVE with is a guy like Oz-dependable, creative, funny, cute (but not gorgeous), a real gentleman with flair>> I disagree; I think Oz is the guy most women want for a best friend rather than a boyfriend. He probably hears a lot. Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:40:23 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Magazines Hi! I was wondering if anyone would be willing to give up their copies of the YM January '98 with SMG on the cover & the YM March '98 with David Boreanaz on the cover. I could pay for shipping and for the magazines if you like. Please contact me privately. Thanks! ~Cathy BuffyChic4@aol.com http://members.aol.com/smeegzcacs/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:42:40 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Buffy for the guys, Angel for the girls? In a message dated 6/28/98 5:25:32 PM, Pandora wrote: >First of all I can't believe you used "Xena" and "complex" in the same >sentence. LOL! Sorry Xena fans. . . had to be said. Hmmmm...well Xena IS complex compared to Hercules. Xena is a warrior on a path of Redemption. She has a very dark past, just as dark and evil as Angel perhaps. Xena is torn between doing good and yielding in to the hate and violence of her past. Besides being smart and beautiful she always has great hair! It's tv, if you want really complex, read a book. >As for Angel and his own series I think it will do great things for the >character. He is far too interesting to be merely Buffy's boyfriend, the >vampire. Which is why I think he comes off kind of two dimensionally on Buffy. There! You admitted it yourself that Angel is kind of two dimensional. It's not because he is overshadowed by Buffy that he is two-dimensional, it's the character itself. Angel is one of those good-looking, tall, dark, silent, good, strong and quiet types. Therein lies the weakness. He always just mopes or stands around dumbstruck while Buffy is jabbering away. It's part of his character. Only when he turned evil did he start to acquire more personality. I think David does an excellent job portraying Angel, but do I think Angel can make the transition from supporting character to main character? No, I don't. If Angel is a good guy again and the star of his own series, he reverts back to his former status of being somewhat boring and just a showpiece. I'm afraid Angel might end up a pretty boy show for females. You see, Xena is now good but her evil past and the passion for violence still simmers inside of her making her an interesting character caught between two choices...good and evil. That conflict makes for excitement. With Angel, he is either good or evil. He doesn't have dual natures existing with the same force as Xena. There are no temptations for Angel, now that Buffy is gone and he is in his own series. When Angel reverts back to good, he is once again the silent strong good guy who quenches his thirst with a bottle of blood from the local hospital instead of a human victim's neck. Where's the excitement without Buffy, without the evil Angel? Can Angel as a series and character survive, only Joss Whedon's work and the audience's reaction will tell. If Whedon can introduce some inner conflict in Angel, for example, introduce a new love interest or make Angel's desire to return and be with Buffy as some driving force which conflicts with his good nature, it might work. Who can tell what conflict Joss will introduce...but without that conflict, forget it...the series will be boring, for me at least. funee funee _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:46:38 -0400 From: SummerQ Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #352 Jeff Weitkamp wrote: > So like it or not you can't blame Xander for what happened to Angel, anymore than > you could blame Buffy. If you have to blame anyone it must be Angelus. Unfortunately > Angel, and Buffy must pay the price. Hmm, I gotta disagree on this one. No you can't place the blame on Xander entirely, but I do think that it was the responsibility of *everyone* to tell Buffy that they were doing this so that she had the option (knowing that she had to put a sword through Angelus) to ask them *not* to do the ritual. Not to mention that by sending Buffy into fight Angelus without her knowing all the facts puts her at a major disadvantage and is a pretty terrible thing to do. As for Buffy not being able to kill Angelus in order to stop the world swallowing-demon... well, the Buffy that I've seen has a little bit more sense of responsibility and a lot less selfishness than to let the entire world get swallowed into hell. I reall think that Jenny's death was a turning point in her for that. Summer - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:37:11 -0400 From: Edwin Nipper Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Buffy At 01:39 AM 6/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >I couldn't keep my mouth shut....the reason men like Xander better because >he's the one that's funny and stuff...besides, Angel's good looking, well >mannered, and he got Buffy....all you guys out there....jealous much? >Kara No, its because most of us identify with Xander much more than Angel. ========================================================================== "The only people who have no fear are those too stupid to know what to be afraid of." Edwin Nipper enipper@mindspring.com ========================================================================== - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:58:08 -0400 From: Edwin Nipper Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander At 04:23 PM 6/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >Xander's betrayl in Becoming is reminiscent of Jenny's in Innocence. Granted >she couldn't have changed the eventual outcome (Angel losing his soul) but she was less han truthful about her reasons for getting involved with the Ummmmmmmm.....how exactly is Xander so called "betrayal" anything like Jenny's???? Jenny not telling who and what she was and why she was there had a direct effect on Angel losing his soul! No it didn't. See, she had no idea Angel would lose his soul. All she was guilty of was not telling the gang the truth about who and what she was. Xander is guilty of the same thing. He didn't tell Buffy the whole truth. For the same reason Jenny didn't. He thought it was for the best. What ppl are so upset about is Xander lying to Buffy. But no one is upset about Giles lies about Ethan, or Buffy lying to her mom, or Giles for that matter. Don't crucify Xander simply because when he lied was the same time Angel was sent to Hell. Angel being sent to Hell wasn't his fault. Whistler said it had to happen for the portal to be closed. ========================================================================== "The only people who have no fear are those too stupid to know what to be afraid of." Edwin Nipper enipper@mindspring.com ========================================================================== - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:59:54 -0400 From: Edwin Nipper Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Buffy At 05:36 AM 6/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >Maybe if one episode he wore some overalls, tripped over a chair, and >removed the tape from his eyebrows that creates that "piercing" stare he's >always got going on, I'd like him more. Amen brother. Angel has always been a little too perfect for my tastes. ========================================================================== "The only people who have no fear are those too stupid to know what to be afraid of." Edwin Nipper enipper@mindspring.com ========================================================================== - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:00:24 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: Comments I'm pretty new to this list and I don't want to piss people off but I really wish you guys would stop going back and forth with the Buffy/Angel Buffy/Xander thing. The stereotype that guys like Xander and girls like Angel (not all of you are saying this) is a little far-fetched. I'm a girl and yes, I do like Angel b/c he's really hot. But I also like Xander b/c he's cheerful and funny. If Joss wants a Buffy/Xander relationship, fine. If he wants to keep the Buffy/Angel relationship going, fine. If he wants Buffy to not have a boyfriend next season, fine. I love the show and it's not like I'm gonna stop watching it b/c of who Buffy likes. And if that didn't annoy you here's another comment. This one is aimed toward all you people who complain about how Buffy was to "dark" or whatever in this season. To all those people here's a question: Would you be all cheery and happy if you died? I mean, when she moved to Sunnydale all she had done before was kill vampires which, granted, is a lot but not for her. In the first season she was happy little Buffy b/c nothing to an extent had really happened to her. But then she died. You can't expect her to still be happy little Buffy anymore. In fact, I think that she took it well! She went on with her life after a few eps. Then the whole Angelus thing went down and you can imagine that it was kind of painful to kill her love. So, in conclusion (at last) I say that I don't think she'll ever be happy little Buffy again. - -MicroVamp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "A.F." Subject: [none] Is there anyone who would be able to copy a couple of eps for me? Ali Melimauiki@yahoo.com == *Experience is a hard teacher-- she gives the test first, the lesson afterward. *If I cry me a river of all my confessions will I drown in my shallow regret? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:53:22 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Giles/Buffy's Mom Joyce << Anyhow... I think it would provide a great twist to the show if Giles and Buffy's mom Joyce got together. I think that would be great. It would definatly help Buffys mom understand that being a 'slayer' is something you are called to do and that no matter what she thinks you can't change that. I also think it would provide some great awkward scenes for Buffy and Giles. I just think that it would be interesting. What does everyone else think? >> I think that would be kinda cute, remember in "killed by death" when she was talking to him at the hospital about Jenny? It would be interesting to say the least :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:15:57 -0400 From: "Jezika" Subject: BUFFY: screensaver... I'm pretty sure I heard someone say there was a screensaver at buffy.org.... ummm... where can I find it? Also if anyone knows of a program that can create screensavers, can you please let me know, I may have access to it, and I'd be willing to create one....... - -Jezika http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9936 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:18:43 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: SMG Hey people, our SMG was named as one of the 21 hot stars under 21!! This is what it said: "Gosh, I'd love to take kids trick-or-treating, but I recently developed carpal tunnel syndrome and can tragically no longer hold a flashlight." Only Sarah Michelle Gellar could toss off such a line. In life, as on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, she's tart but smart -- although she can play it panic- stricken, as well (see I Know What You Did Last Summer and Scream 2). This summer, Sarah, 21, gets nasty in the upcoming Cruel Inventions; then it's back to slaying vampires -- and us. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:50:05 +0000 From: "Blue Star (*" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Oz >I disagree; I think Oz is the guy most women want for a best friend rather >than a boyfriend. >He probably hears a lot. I disagree with you and agree with Pandora. Oz is the type of guy I personally would thank my gods every night of my life for. He's adorable, sweet, considerate, a gentleman, easy-going, very open minded, funny, he'll stick by, listen, and love you for you. Plus, he's a band guy. That guitar attracts more girls than he would even realize. I went out with someone just like Oz for about a month. Band guys have this way of converying this weird insight to the outside world, but be thinking something totally different on the inside. This easy going, laided back, attitude. And he thought of me first. He put my happiness before his own. He was a total Oz and I loved him. I don't care if any girl in the world says that Oz would be the best friend type. To me, he would be the dream type. /\-/\ =( O.O )= Cera* Cera Crowley(* (a.k.a. Serena) ^<**>^ CANCERCRAB ^<**>^ "A TRUE friend stabs you in the FRONT." ~UnKnown +(Sunnydale's Library Society) Cera's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Haven+ http://members.tripod.com/~CresantMoon/sunydale.html *(Capeside High's Supreme Society) Cera's Dawson's Creek Website* http://members.tripod.com/~ArielMoon/capeside.html ~~updating~~ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:10:06 -0400 From: "Ryan Harrington" Subject: BUFFY: OBbuffy: Themes Hi all. I am wanting to make some Buffy desktop themes but I'm a little fuzzy on how. I have the sound events and wallpapers and ms Plus! but I'm not sure how to make it a theme. If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. =) ~Ryan ryanh@preferred.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:42:01 PDT From: "Sara Barton" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships It would be so funny! Even if it was for only one episode, like say they got tangled up in a love spell (NOT like the one in BBB) and totally fell for each other. I can just imagine it! Sara - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:52:11 EDT To: sara114@hotmail.com, buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships In a message dated 98-06-27 19:13:00 EDT, sara114@hotmail.com writes: << I wouldn't want Buffy with anybody but Angel...except for maybe Spike. Can't you just see them together? One minute trying to kill each other, the next minute giving into the throws of passion. It would be a hoot! >> Joss should really do that. I can just imagine their conversations. It would be super funny. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:48:10 -0400 From: SummerQ Subject: BUFFY: OB Really stupid tech question Sorry to bug the list about this, but I'm fairly computer illiterate. I downloaded the Buffy screensaver from Buffy.org. Now ::blush:: how do I unzip files? Summer (not even wanting to sign her name to this...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:52:04 PDT From: "Sara Barton" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships It would be so funny! Even if it was for only one episode, like say they got tangled up in a love spell (NOT like the one in BBB) and totally fell for each other. I can just imagine it! Sara - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:52:11 EDT To: sara114@hotmail.com, buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships In a message dated 98-06-27 19:13:00 EDT, sara114@hotmail.com writes: << I wouldn't want Buffy with anybody but Angel...except for maybe Spike. Can't you just see them together? One minute trying to kill each other, the next minute giving into the throws of passion. It would be a hoot! >> Joss should really do that. I can just imagine their conversations. It would be super funny. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:52:43 PDT From: "Sara Barton" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships It would be so funny! Even if it was for only one episode, like say they got tangled up in a love spell (NOT like the one in BBB) and totally fell for each other. I can just imagine it! Sara - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:52:11 EDT To: sara114@hotmail.com, buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships In a message dated 98-06-27 19:13:00 EDT, sara114@hotmail.com writes: << I wouldn't want Buffy with anybody but Angel...except for maybe Spike. Can't you just see them together? One minute trying to kill each other, the next minute giving into the throws of passion. It would be a hoot! >> Joss should really do that. I can just imagine their conversations. It would be super funny. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:56:55 PDT From: "Sara Barton" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships It would be such a hoot!!! I love this idea. Come on, Joss! Even for just one ep! :) ~*Sara*~ "Dru bagged a Slayer? She didn't tell me...good for her!" -Spike BEC2 Proud Member of: PBSD, NOS, VC of WWWBWB? Love Always, Angel - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:58:22 EDT To: sara114@hotmail.com, buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Relationships In a message dated 98-06-27 19:13:28 EDT, sara114@hotmail.com writes: << I wouldn't want Buffy with anybody but Angel...except for maybe Spike. Can't you just see them together? One minute trying to kill each other, the next minute giving into the throws of passion. It would be a hoot! >> Can you see that too? I'm thinking maybe Willow can curse Spike, then, presto!!! I love that idea! caren filly22595@aol.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:28:57 PDT From: "Sara Barton" Subject: BUFFY: Xander/Angel issue I agree with both sides on this issue--Xander was wrong for not telling Buffy about recursing Angelus, but if he hadn't she might have died because she would not have been putting her heart into their final fight. I actually look at it this way: I'm glad that Xander lied to her (even though it was wrong) because of the obvious. BUT, there's one thing that irks me about it. Xander was up and ready to tell Buffy about it as they were outside the manion, but at the last minute, just as he was going to say it, he suddenly lied. And I don't think it was because he was looking after Buffy's welfare--it was the rivalry between him and Angel. In Becoming part one, Xander made it loud and clear that he was against the recursing, and his reasons were just. But I think that at the moment he was going to tell Buffy, his anger and jelousy of Angel took over and he lied because he wanted Angel out of the picture. He has ALWAYS wanted Angel out of the picture. Remember what he said in 'Prophecy Girl'? I don't remember the exact words, but he wasn't exactly calling the guy his best friend. And in WML2, he said to Kendra, "Angel's our friend. I just don't like him." So I think it's pretty much clear that he lied purly from resentment, jelousy, and anger. I doubt that as he was on his way to tell Buffy he was thinking, "Gee, if I tell her about Angel, then she won't try to kill him and she might die." He was thinking, "Gee, I really hate Angel because Buffy loves him and not me." But then, that's just my humble opinion. Boy, that was a mouthfull!!! *Sara* PBSD, NOS, WWWBWB?, Love Always, Angel. "I like this world. We've got dog racing, Manchester United, and people. Billions of people walking around like happy meals with legs." - --Spike BEC2 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:30:12 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander I think that it is apparent that Buffy PREFERED to send Angel to Hell. Think about it: Angel's BLOOD was required to close the gate to Hell. Why didn't she, say ...oh I don't know... CUT him or something?! ....because not only did she need to save Earth from being swallowed into Hell, she also needed to prevent any future incidents involving Angel losing his soul... thus causing her more pain. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:49:01 -0400 From: "joegillis [tm]" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander At 12:30 AM 6/29/98 EDT, DIESEL456@aol.com wrote: >I think that it is apparent that Buffy PREFERED to send Angel to Hell. Think >about it: Angel's BLOOD was required to close the gate to Hell. Why didn't >she, say ...oh I don't know... CUT him or something?! No no no..... According to Whistler his blood was required and the gate to Hell would close and take angel in with it. It had nothing to do with WHERE Buffy drew blood. Even if she knicked him he would have been sucked in. - -- joegillis [tm] joeygillis@aol.com http://members.xoom.com/joegillis "Your anger's real. But just beware - It's a waste to feel that fate's unfair. There's no such thing as tragedy; I can't resent what's meant to be." - -Rent '94 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikki Alberto Subject: Re: BUFFY: Metcalf sighting Mark Metcalf is also going to be in a movie called Hijacking Hollywood in the end of July. It also has Henry Thomas (Elliot from E.T.) and Scott Thompson (Kids In The Hall). _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Any New Buffy Websites? And Website Moving Hi all, I'm updating the Sonja Marie's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Links Page Tues, and Wanted to know if anyone had a new page they'd like to be linked in the update. Email them to me PRIVATELY at gaspers@eskimo.com (perferably). ALSO Tues. the Links page will be moving to Planetx.com, I will send the New Url Tues, when I have it ready to view. Till then the site is still at http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/btvsurls.html I would like Pat Moss for providing space to house the links page. GASP! will be moving there in the coming weeks. Sonja Marie - President - Anthony Stewart Head Fan Club (ASHFC) Official Anthony Head WebPage - http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/ Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - GASP!- Keeper of Coats & Ties Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) About What Fans Sent Him in the Mail: "Fair amount of lingerie, yeah, all of which I tried, none of which fitted" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:12:17 +1000 From: Azure Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: Angel vs Xander Pandora wrote: > You might be the first male I have ever heard say that that they > prefer angel to Xander--really! You deserve an award-- The Only > Male in Creation Who Prefers Angel to Xander Award. There are quite a few of us actually... we just think Angel is far better for Buffy than Xander. Besides he's happy - sort of - with Cordelia, so why mess with it.... oh no... now I've said that Joss is bound to mess with it. - -- Evan 'Azure' Harris azure99@ozemail.com.au Buffy: It's so weird... Every time something like this happens, my first instinct is still to run to Angel. I can't believe it's the same person. He's completely different from the guy that I knew. Willow: Well, sort of, except... [snip] You're still the only thing he thinks about. ~Passion - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:05:22 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy/Xander In a message dated 6/28/98 3:55:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gnn200@is7.nyu.edu writes: << All I am blaming Xander for is his actions and feeling with regards to angel. >> Ummmm...Why would you blame Xander for his feelings? He can't help how he feels about Angel, or Buffy any more than you can help how you feel about someone. You might not like his feelings, but I suppose that someone doesn't like the way that you feel about someone else either. You cannot make someone like someone else. It doesn't work that way. - -----Smurf Smurf 6942@aol.com Keeper of Buffy's Faith Member of the Buffy Crew - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:09:09 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy for the guys, Angel for the girls? I wrote: <<>As for Angel and his own series I think it will do great things for the >character. He is far too interesting to be merely Buffy's boyfriend, the >vampire. Which is why I think he comes off kind of two dimensionally on Buffy. The fun-ee wrote: >There! You admitted it yourself that Angel is kind of two dimensional. >It's not because he is overshadowed by Buffy that he is two-dimensional, >it's the character itself. Angel is one of those good-looking, tall, >dark, silent, good, strong and quiet types. >> No, I said he comes off that way not that he is that way. There is so much potential depth to Angel that they don't use. They can't take the focus off Buffy to unlock his potential--it is, after all, her show. By giving the character his own show they solve two problems--the Buffy/Angel relationship--though I'm in favor of it they can't exactly keep them together for the duration of the show, because, as someone mentioned, it's the kiss of death in ratings (like the Ross/Rachel thing. And the second problem is Angel's lack of things to do: He needs to go away from Buffy and do things on his own (show) and get his own focus. Pandora - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #354 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)