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buffy-digest         Thursday, August 13 1998         Volume 02 : Number 426



In this issue:

       Re: BUFFY: season 3 Spoiler ((Question))
       Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
       Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
       Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
       Re: BUFFY:******** CHURCH********
       BUFFY: Teen People voting
       BUFFY: evil angel vs. good angel
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus
       Fwd: BUFFY: summer????
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus
       Re: BUFFY: Thinking...(spoiler)
       BUFFY: Question?
       Re: BUFFY: Question?
       Fwd: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
       Re: BUFFY: Question?
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus
       Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
       BUFFY: Re: Holy water.....
       BUFFY: Question?
       Re: BUFFY: Question?
       BUFFY: episodes...
       Re: BUFFY: Question?
       BUFFY: NB on Fanatic
       Re: BUFFY: Thinking...(spoiler)

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:16:38 EDT
From: <Vendeta26@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: season 3 Spoiler ((Question))

In a message dated 8/12/98 9:04:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Vass99 writes:

<< technically, Kendra was probably the real slayer. >>
Again. If Kendra was the real slayer then why did they keep Buffy on? Why was
Kendra sent back home? (IMHO, most likely to wait)
Should the episodes after Kendra came to Sunnydale, be re-titled "Buffy The
Imposter Slayer"?

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:20:20 EDT
From: <Vendeta26@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.

In a message dated 8/13/98 12:58:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Feepness@aol.com
writes:

<< "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" doesn't imply the
 existence of only one slayer, just as "Kermit the Frog" doesn't mean he's the
 only frog.  >>
Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
 THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD???

Does anyone pay attention to the explanations given by the show, before the
make up there own?

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 9:31:46 EDT
From: <csummers@banyan.utelfla.com> (Charles Summers)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.

<Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
 THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD???
Does anyone pay attention to the explanations given by the show, before the
make up there own?>

I am the first one to get annoyed when people make up answers to show 
questions, but this argument is very silly.

There are two slayers right now because one died and was revived, an 
unprecedented occurrence in Giles' words.  This situation is unique and 
violates the show explanations because in the buffyverse it has never 
happened before.

I would have thought this plainly obvious, but I guess not.

Chas


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:48:07 EDT
From: <Feepness@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.

In a message dated 8/13/98 8:23:32 AM EST, Vendeta26@aol.com writes:

<< Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
  THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD??? >>

I'm not dealing with the logical errors of the situation, I'm only addressing
the syntax.  Someone said that the existence of two slayers would mean they'd
need to change the title of the show, I was saying why it didn't.  I'm still
not clear on the lore, though.  "For every generation, there is a Slayer.  She
alone ..."  I've always wondered if, in the Buffyverse, there aren't any
vampires in Europe.  But I think we've dealt with this topic before.

Matt

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Newman <newmat@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY:******** CHURCH********

VaNI11Ad1 asks:
> If crosses can harm vampires so badly than in what's my line part 1
> when all of those vampires are in that church including: spike,
> angel, and drucilla why didn't anything happen to them because that
> is supposed to be the house of god?

This occurred to me as well.  But then I thought that "house of God"
is really just an expression without any meaning in Christianity. 
Nothing mystical is supposed to happen there.  If fact (I don't want
to get too off-topic here), the original Christians (1st couple of
centuries AD) didn't meet in churches at all, but in homes.  Unless
some lore built up in the middle ages that I don't know about (quite
possible), Christianity never taught the principal that God "lived"
especially in the churches.  It does teach that the gathering of
believers in any location brings the presence of God.  In BC times,
this was not true, BTW.  The Hebrew tabernacles were supposed to be
concentrations of God's presence.  Nevertheless, I'd suspect in the
Buffyverse, churches, like crosses, *do* hold some power and
significance as I'll explain below.

If a church does have power against evil, there's a "spiritual
warfare" angle, a real concept in Christianity.  In a war, territory
captured is important.  If this were an abandoned church, the forces
of evil might get a morale boost by re-taking some turf from the
forces of good.  And the fact that good had already retreated just
made that capture easier.

Earlier on the list, other, more august minds determined that the
power of crosses derived from the collective belief behind them. 
Therefore other religious symbols would probably be just as effective.
 However, the fact that the church is abandoned might mean that the
belief of the people is no longer supporting that building rendering
it less powerful.

Candy also mentioned:
> Giles says something about looking for churches that had been
> abandoned.  If abandoned or no longer in use, churches are
> usually desanctified - stripped of holy blessing - rendering it
> really just a building.

I thought of this too.  But if it were "just a building," then the
ritual could have been performed in a warehouse or underground.  No
need to seek out a church.  *Why* it needed to happen in a church, I
have no idea.  Maybe others?


==
Todd
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:27:17 -0500
From: Douglas Carey <data@gte.net>
Subject: BUFFY: Teen People voting

*smiles brightly* I noticed on the list that neither Nickie or Alyson 
were listed, to I wrote to teenpeople@pathfinder.com and I told them 
that Nickie and Alyson were both very popular, and would get votes, and 
that they were the only two of the BTVS cast that weren't listed. 
Yesterday, only a day after I wrote the original letter, they responded.
they said that  I made a good point, and that they will now include 
them. *S*

Jennifer Carey
data@gte.net
MCTP  Buffy-Xander Lovers Club member

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:41:17 EDT
From: <Somalilly@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: evil angel vs. good angel

hello to the list-
Personally, I believe that the "good" angel was the best BEFORE he became "hot
and heavily" involved with Buffy... In other words, pretty much all of season
one, and maybe season two up to "Bad Eggs."  He was definately more.... witty?
and I liked his cryptic-ness, if you will.  Each of their meetings kind of
elevated the tension between them, you know? not like bad tension, but hmm...
"sexual tension," maybe? When they became seriously involved, he lost the
cryptiness (quite a bit of it, at least) and when he became evil... he was
altogether ... hmm... too cryptic? I don't know... And sometimes, I found his
cynical comments a bit cheezy when he became evil... I dont know, I guess that
I thought that his acting was better before they got involved, that's all.
Thanks for listening...

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:52:34 EDT
From: <ALLEGO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus

In a message dated 8/11/98 2:28:18 PM, joloam@ici.net writes:

<<The movie, in my opinion, was just plain dumb but if you don't want to 
take my word on it look at these factors:

1) The movie did not test highly
2) The release date has been changed about 3 times
3) The movie is being released in August>>

Oh, please.......So according to your intellectual observations, no one should
see any movie that's released in August? That makes a lot of sense. There have
actually been some good movies released in months other than June and July,
some of which have actually won Oscars and made money.

Dead Man on Campus is not an Academy Award winner, but I thought it had some
funny moments and I liked the premise of two guys scheming to get straight As
in college. I guess, I can relate to that. Anyway, Alyisan Hannigan it's true
doesn't have a major role, but she does have a great scene when her hair
catches on fire! 

My point is, DON'T let anyone tell you what you should or should not see in
the movie theaters. Let's face few movies are worth $7 or $8, but c'mon,
there's matinee prices everywhere. See what you want to see.

C.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 13:03:02 EDT
From: <csummers@banyan.utelfla.com> (Charles Summers)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus

<no one should
see any movie that's released in August?
My point is, DON'T let anyone tell you what you should or should not see in
the movie theaters.>

<<The movie, in my opinion>>

If you'll notice, the original writer was giving his review.  If you 
disagree, fine.  However, you shouldn't berate him for stating his opinion.

He is correct that August is the month that mediocre movies get released 
because if the studio had any confidence in it they would have released it 
during May, June or July or held it for holiday release.  And the due date 
changes are traditionally never a good sign.

Chas


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:14:15 EDT
From: <SheenaMG12@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: BUFFY: summer????

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In a message dated 98-08-12 19:30:31 EDT, Nala2400@aol.com writes:

<< Subj:	 BUFFY: summer????
 Date:	98-08-12 19:30:31 EDT
 From:	Nala2400@aol.com
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 Some people are assuming that summer passed for people at SHS.
 But we never actually see thats its the end of the school year (ie:
 Oz=graduation)  Remember on TV wha to us is a summer to them is a day,
 therefore when season 3 starts, it does not mean that the summer passed.
 
 If Joss does this he could have the show on longer since they will be in high
 school for a longer period of time. 
 
 Just a thought!!!
 
 Nala
 
 - I heard somewhere that the fact that Oz is graduating won't matter because
he is supposed to fail 'cuz he missed so many classes...I dunno that's what I
heard
 
 
 
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Some people are assuming that summer passed for people at SHS.
But we never actually see thats its the end of the school year (ie:
Oz=graduation)  Remember on TV wha to us is a summer to them is a day,
therefore when season 3 starts, it does not mean that the summer passed.

If Joss does this he could have the show on longer since they will be in high
school for a longer period of time. 

Just a thought!!!

Nala

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:40:38 +0000
From: Jack Welsh <joloam@ici.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus

I'm not trying to tell anyone not to see "Dead Man On Campus", i'm 
just trying to let people know what I thought of it.  It wasn't funny 
and it was a rather inane movie.  So people, I'm sorry if you thought 
that I was trying to convince you not to see DMOC, i was just trying 
to let you guys know my opinion.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:27 EST
From: KSucher@abc.com (Kelli Sucher)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Thinking...(spoiler)

Marat wrote:

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Just in case....
     
     
     >I was just thinking I really hope there isn't a seacond slayer.... I 
     mean it just doesn't interest me... yeah one time is good... but 
     another one just seem overplayed... am I the only one who feels this 
     way? 
     
     
     I totally argree with you.  Anytime you add someone to the core of 
     characters on the show, it's diluted.  I think the double slayer idea 
     is good for one season only.  But Joss, he could have something really 
     amazing planned....
     
     Kelli
     ksucher@abc.com
     Keeper of Willow's gradebook


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:25:38 EDT
From: <SheenaMG12@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Question?

Can anybody explain to me why Angel is 242...I mean in Becoming 1 it said he
died in 1753, but if he died in that year then he should be 245 or 263
counting the fact he was 18 (said that in Halloween) when he died?

Also what is with Kendra being sent to her Watcher when she was very
young.According to the show a new Slayer is only called after the old one
dies. Buffy only died less than 1 year before Kendra came. So how did she have
all her life to be trained by her Watcher?

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:40:55 EDT
From: <Marusky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question?

Ok- This is how I remember it- Buffy said he is 242 years older than she is
(at the end of Angel she says something like "This could never work, I mean
you're like two-hundred and forty-two year older than me" but maybe she didn't
give exact years and that's one of my hallucinations :), but that still
doesn't explain the numbers- you're right I checked them- they don't work out.

Good Catch!!
Mariah
Not-The-Official-Keeper: "Get the hell out of my library!" Willow, Dark Ages

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:37:45 EDT
From: <SheenaMG12@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.

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In a message dated 98-08-13 09:22:55 EDT, Vendeta26@aol.com writes:

<< Subj:	 Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.
 Date:	98-08-13 09:22:55 EDT
 From:	Vendeta26@aol.com
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 In a message dated 8/13/98 12:58:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Feepness@aol.com
 writes:
 
 << "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" doesn't imply the
  existence of only one slayer, just as "Kermit the Frog" doesn't mean he's
the
  only frog.  >>
 Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
  THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD???
 
 Does anyone pay attention to the explanations given by the show, before the
 make up there own?
 
 - I think that there has only been 1 slayer because of death rates in the
past. I mean did anyone ever come to think that because of todays research if
someone has only been physically not clinically dead for a short amount of
time that it is possible to revive them again. Well, in the old days people
weren't able to do that as often so a new slayer would be called
immediately.If you think about it it makes sense. And untill Buffy is
clinically dead then she will always be a Slayer, and the Original, even if
she has a little help.
 
 
 
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In a message dated 8/13/98 12:58:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Feepness@aol.com
writes:

<< "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" doesn't imply the
 existence of only one slayer, just as "Kermit the Frog" doesn't mean he's the
 only frog.  >>
Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
 THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD???

Does anyone pay attention to the explanations given by the show, before the
make up there own?

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:58 EDT
From: <Arakzile@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question?

In a message dated 98-08-13 13:46:48 EDT, Marusky@aol.com writes:

<< "This could never work, I mean
 you're like two-hundred and forty-two year older than me" but maybe she
didn't
 give exact years and that's one of my hallucinations :), but that still
 doesn't explain the numbers- you're right I checked them- they don't work
out.
  >>
  You misquoted Buffy, she says  "You're 224 years older than me..."

=)
Kara

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:55:51 -0700
From: Lawless <lawless@smgfan.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man On Campus

ALLEGO@aol.com wrote:

> Oh, please.......So according to your intellectual observations, no one should
> see any movie that's released in August? That makes a lot of sense. There have
> actually been some good movies released in months other than June and July,
> some of which have actually won Oscars and made money.

No, according to statistics movies that are released in August bring in less box
office revenues than almost any other month.  So a lot of times people wait to
release their films if they've invested a lot into them.  I saw DMOC about 2
months ago at a test screening and hated it.  Almost everyone in the theater with
me thought it was pretty stupid as well.  I would have left after about 30 minutes
if I wasn't being paid.  I haven't seen the final product since I know they made
some changes to it since then, but I'm just offering my opinion of it so other
people can be warned.

Lawless


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:27:37 EDT
From: <Tracyrr74@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: New season..... Spoilahs, p'raps.

In a message dated 8/13/98 8:23:15 AM Central Daylight Time, Vendeta26@aol.com
writes:

<< << "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" doesn't imply the
  existence of only one slayer, just as "Kermit the Frog" doesn't mean he's
the
  only frog.  >>
 Yeah but aren't we (and Buffy) told again, and again
  THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIRL IN ALL THE WORLD???
  >>
Inserting spoiler space in case:
























Really the opening does say FOR EACH GENERATION there is a slayer. To me that
would imply that they really only needed 1 slayer at a time. I have seen it
listed anywhere offical that the character of Faith is to be the new SLAYER
just that she is going to be a cast member. I mean they (the show) are going
to lose atleast on cast member by the end of the year if not 2. Maybe this
will be the replacement. Its a good as time as any to add one. :)

Tra

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:08 -0700
From: Wirchler <wirchler@pacbell.net>
Subject: BUFFY: Re: Holy water.....

Jack Welsh wrote:

Remember in "Welcome To H-mouth" when Willow drops the holy water over 
Darla?  It burns her and she does run off screaming so I think holy 
water is more powerful than a cross


Willow poured it on her face, as I recall......  Also as I recall, none
of the vamps ever touched a cross, except Angel (who was burned), and
the Master (It terrifies me.....)but it burned him, as well.....

Now, Holy Water isn't as powerful in the Buffy-verse as in some other
mythos..  :)  Ex: In the Anita Blake series, it burns, leaving scars
that can't be healed.....

to steal a quote.....just my .02 worth.....  ;)

Thanks for letting me ramble......
- -- 
Wirchler
wirchler@pacbell.net , ICQ# 5093874
Guardian of Spike's (reluctant) respect for Buffy!

Note to self:  If someone asks if you're a god, you say yes!!

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:54:48 EDT
From: <Jstkidn322@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Question?

>Also what is with Kendra being sent to her Watcher when she was very
>young.According to the show a new Slayer is only called after the old one
>dies. Buffy only died less than 1 year before Kendra came. So how did she
have
>all her life to be trained by her Watcher?>

I totally wanted to know that like the first time i saw it. It totally didn't
make sense to me.  I hope someone has thew answer.

Colleen  Jstkidn322@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:02:37 EDT
From: <Arakzile@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question?

In a message dated 98-08-13 16:00:55 EDT, Jstkidn322@aol.com writes:

<< Buffy only died less than 1 year before Kendra came. So how did she
 have
 >all her life to be trained by her Watcher?>
 
 I totally wanted to know that like the first time i saw it. It totally didn't
 make sense to me.  I hope someone has thew answer. >>


I think the slayers are trained from birth, (with the exception of Buffy?) and
then when they're needed they are sprung into action...

Kara

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:20:38 EDT
From: <ElFuego12@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: episodes...

hi, can someone tell me the names of the rerun episodes that will be shown on
mondays and tuesdays until season 3 begin? i had a list, but i accidentally
deleted. thanx!

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:28:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deborah <dobrahp@neilnet.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question?

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:02:37 EDT Arakzile@aol.com wrote

>I think the slayers are trained from birth, (with the exception of Buffy?) and
>then when they're needed they are sprung into action...

Didn't it say something in the movie about how Buffy should have started her
training years earlier?  I can't remember exactly but I do believe Merrick
said something like that when he first met her.




Deborah <dobrahp@neilnet.com> 
- -----------------------------------
Angel:  And that's everything, huh?  No weapons, no friends, no hope. Take
all that away and what's left?       
Buffy:  Me


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:54:05 EDT
From: <Jewels79@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: NB on Fanatic

In a message dated 98-08-11 23:59:03 EDT, you write:

<< Okay, I think I'm done now.
 Oh, yeah. Anyone know if NB actually ended up getting interviewed? I heard
 about it awhile ago but nada since than.
  >>

I was wondering this too, so I surfed the Fanatic site and used the Search
feature and came up with nothing. I don't even think Nick Brendon's name is in
the system. Maybe they never found a totally devoted fan...good news for some
of us...;)

 
  jewels
sig still under construction...yeah, i'm lazy...i just have too much to say in
six lines

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: JenSie <_jenny_1998@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Thinking...(spoiler)

S
p
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l
e
r
     
s
p
a
c
e
     
Just in case....
     
     
     >I was just thinking I really hope there isn't a
seacond slayer.... I 
     mean it just doesn't interest me... yeah one time
is good... but 
     another one just seem overplayed... am I the only
one who feels this 
     way? 
     
     
     >>I totally argree with you.  Anytime you add
someone to the core of 
     characters on the show, it's diluted.  I think
the double slayer idea 
     is good for one season only.  But Joss, he could
have something really 
     amazing planned....<<

I got a quick qestion...is the new slayer JOINING the show or just
gonna be in it a couple of times like Kendra? I agree with the ppl
that say she shouldn't be in it...it would ruin things..and complicate
things if she and buffy were going against each other(even if it is
for friends and stuff.)Even tho i love it when things get
complicated..i hate it just the same... Does that make sence? oh well...


Jenny *Angel and Buffy together forever? =P~~*

     




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