From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #527 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Saturday, October 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 527 In this issue: BUFFY: Got "The Watcher's Guide" Re: BUFFY: Xander's Lie BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. Re: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. Fwd: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. BUFFY: the three Re: BUFFY: the three BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. Re: BUFFY: Re: Angel Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: the three BUFFY: Watchers Guide BUFFY: pronunciation time BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! BUFFY: Re: Watcher's Guide Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! BUFFY: DB on Nickelodeon! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 From: Vampire Junction Subject: BUFFY: Got "The Watcher's Guide" Pocket Books sent me a review copy of "The Watcher's Guide" and I got it today. Wow! what a cool book. It has more info than you'll ever need about Buffy...loads of quotes, tidbit, good pics etc... You have got to buy this one! - --Candy - -- "Passion is the source of our finest moments. The joy of love, the clarity of hatred and the ecstacy of grief. It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace. But we would be hollow. Empty rooms...shuttered and dank - without passion we'd be truly dead. --Angel BTVS "Passion" Visit Vampire Junction at http://www.afn.org/~vampires/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:39:58 PDT From: "Mz. Gwyn" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander's Lie sadecamus@sprintmail.com wrote: <> To True I've said this before and I'm saying it again. Xander knows how Buffy reacts to what Angel does and his name, see Phases, she froze and Teresa almost killed her, but Xander saved her and he in a moment of compasion for Buffy he forgot his feelling on Angel and comforted her. So again Xander, he was protecting her, Buffy fell for the bait trick twice, both times people he loves and cares for got really hurt, 1st time WSWB with the bait thing in the Library and the vamps getting Giles & Willow and 2nd time Angel as bait while Dru goes for Giles, Willow gets knocked out, and Kendra is killed. Angel himself said that Buffy has fallen for that trick twice. Buffy was not going all out in the 1st fight. Xander knew that she wouldn't have gone all out in the 2nd fight again. Besides it was too late, Angel was going for the sword when Buffy came in, everyone on this list saw how violent that fight was and both was were going full out, imagine if Buffy was dodging and going 1/2 speed she would have gotten killed plain and simple, remember the 1st fight in Becoming how Buffy was dodging. Anyway, I believe Buffy knows about the lie, remember in DMP, when Buffy was going call Xander on something, when Oz was going to interrupt and Willow said, something to the effect of "Hey violence may work, nothing else has" and then the Zombies stopped it all. I believe Xander was right about omitted the fact that Willow tried the Curse again. And I do hope for an on-screen confrontation. But I don't think it going to have dire consequences that everyone else seemes to hope for. My $.02 Ciao Ms. Gwyn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:53:46 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. It is at times like this when the leaves turn yellow-orange and the cool evenings of Autumn are upon us that my mind and heart remembers the late Xander Jr., who unfortunately ended up being boiled, then cracked and almost eaten by his father. Yet, who remembers Xander Jr.? Has there been even one fan club, website, or even a poem devoted to the memory of Xander Jr.? NO! It's only Buffy, Willow, Angel, Cordelia, Oz, Giles or that baby murderer, Xander, to whom all the attention is paid. My God, even Amy, the invisible girl has more websites devoted to her. Such injustice should not be ignored and to rectify it, I am starting the new Xander Jr. Eggsite. You may visit and pay your respects at: http://www.crackedegg.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:12 -0400 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: Re: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. >My God, even Amy, the >invisible girl has more websites devoted to her. I"m sure she can do it being a witch an all but technically Amyt wasn't that invisible girl. That was Marcy. Ryan Harrington * ryanh@intermediatn.net *http://members.xoom.com/darlafan "You'll never be bored here Faith." - Willow F,H,&T Keeper of Darla's eternal apperance in the opening credits - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:35:18 EDT From: EduardoRGB@aol.com Subject: Fwd: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_908573721_boundary Content-ID: <0_908573721@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_908573721_boundary Content-ID: <0_908573721@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: EduardoRGB@aol.com Return-path: To: ryanh@intermediatn.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:33:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My God, even Amy, the >invisible girl has more websites devoted to her. I"m sure she can do it being a witch an all but technically Amyt wasn't that invisible girl. That was Marcy. I think he ment Amy and, the invisible girl... :::rolls his eyes, fiddles with proton gun, and waits to see what his Sunnydale buds are up to next week:: Eduardo Rivera keeper of the forever sexy gothy chicks, Dru and Ky... - --part0_908573721_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:55:53 EDT From: CherryRed6@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: the three at the moment, the mention of buffy's hardest killing as "the three" confuses me. what three are you talking about? sorry, it probably will click right when i send this message...if not, pls still respond. :) have a nice weekend, cherry - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:09:20 -0400 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: Re: BUFFY: the three >at the moment, the mention of buffy's hardest killing as "the three" confuses >me. what three are you talking about? sorry, it probably will click right when >i send this message...if not, pls still respond. Remember the first season episode "Angel"? The Three were those big 3 vamps that the Master sent to kill Buffy. What's interesting about this is that Buffy said that they were her toughest kill when in fact it was Darla who killed the Three. Ryan Harrington * ryanh@intermediatn.net * http://members.xoom.com/darlafan "You'll never be bored here Faith." - Willow F,H,&T Keeper of Faith's big-@$$ stake used to dust Kakistos Keeper of Faith's ability to wrestle alligators in the nude Keeper of Darla's eternal apperance in the opening credits - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:19:04 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Well! Fenris wrote: << the watchers should use controlled conditions to 'clinically' kill Buffy >>over and >>over again, to create an insurmountable army of full power vampire slayers I think that would be a great idea except that it's kinda risky and if just one of those controlled experiments failed, you might end up with a permanently dead Buffy or even worse, maybe a brain damaged Buffy. I still say the Super Soaker filled with Holy water and distributed to every citizen of Sunnydale with complete instructions, perhaps seminars conducted by Buffy would be the best army they could raise. Who knows? Maybe that's what the final series finale may amount to -- the entire citizenry of Sunnydale helping Buffy in the Mother of all Vampire and Demon Wars. funee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:43:51 -0400 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! >I still say the Super Soaker filled with Holy water and distributed to >every citizen of Sunnydale with complete instructions, perhaps seminars >conducted by Buffy would be the best army they could raise. Who knows? Or even better: They find a way to bless ALL of Sunnydale's water supply so when a vamp went to take a shower or get a drink they would dust. Ryan Harrington * ryanh@intermediatn.net * http://members.xoom.com/darlafan "You'll never be bored here Faith." - Willow F,H,&T Keeper of Faith's big-@$$ stake used to dust Kakistos Keeper of Faith's ability to wrestle alligators in the nude Keeper of Darla's eternal apperance in the opening credits - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:45:34 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: In Memory of Xander Jr. At 10/16/98 01:53 PM , fun ee wrote: >Yet, who remembers Xander Jr.? Has there been even one fan club, >website, or even a poem devoted to the memory of Xander Jr.? NO! It's >only Buffy, Willow, Angel, Cordelia, Oz, Giles or that baby murderer, >Xander, to whom all the attention is paid. Yeah, where is Operation Rescue when you need them?!! Seriously, I think you've gone off the deep end, funee (joining me, of course). Xander, Jr. has already been been placed in the protective custody of a foster parent at the Monster Adoption Site at: http://www.planetx.com/~cybrpaws/keeper/adoptm/ (and that URL actually works, you tease! *g*), Lisa - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:51:18 EDT From: Miamcdavid@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Angel It was not a body double. Joss said on the PB that David did it. Yum! Mia Member WPWP Keeper of the Opening Wolf Howl I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:00:16 EDT From: Fenris97@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! In a message dated 98-10-16 21:25:37 EDT, fun-ee@juno.com writes: << I think that would be a great idea except that it's kinda risky and if just one of those controlled experiments failed, you might end up with a permanently dead Buffy or even worse, maybe a brain damaged Buffy. >> Ok, everyone seems to be missing the point of my original post. That being...2 slayers create to many problems. When Joss created Kendra, it was understandable and acceptable as a one time deal...but now we have Faith, and things are now just plain old. If a new slayer is called every time one dies, there's no risk for humanity. That takes something away from the show. Who cares now if one of these second slayers die? Why should we? All the show will do is create another slayer to replace her. No, two slayers is bad. They need to go back to just one slayer, that being Buffy, have Faith go wandering the world or something. Also, I was being sarcastic when I said they should kill Buffy over and over again to create an army of slayers...just making a point at the absurdity of having a new slayer show up every time one dies. What ever happened to just one girl every generation???? Fenris - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:53:33 EDT From: BuFFySMG7@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: the three In a message dated 10/16/98 7:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CherryRed6@aol.com writes: << at the moment, the mention of buffy's hardest killing as "the three" confuses me. what three are you talking about? sorry, it probably will click right when i send this message...if not, pls still respond. >> the three are these three vampires that buffy and angel fought in the episode "Angel". Buffy and Angel ran and got away, but the master then killed the three for their failure. Hope this helps! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:03:01 EDT From: BuFFySMG7@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Watchers Guide OK, a question..i hear that some people on this list have the "Watchers Guide". When is the official release date because i heard that it is not for a while and for those of you who have it...how did you get it? "First rule of slaying.....don't die" -Buffy F,H,&T - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:48:31 PDT From: "Duremdes BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: pronunciation time How do you pronounce the last name of the Faith girl, and also the correct pronunciation of Sarah's last name? Thanks. DUREMDES Formerly known as ITWASALATENITE Keeper of Buffy's dead gigapet http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre MOBILINE PHONE PALS 1998 CENTENNIAL CUP CHAMPS!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:59:26 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Well! On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:43:51 -0400 Ryan Harrington writes: >Or even better: They find a way to bless ALL of Sunnydale's water >supply so >when a vamp went to take a shower or get a drink they would dust. But Ryan... Do vampires drink water? I was under the impression they neither bathed, ate or did anything except kill and drink blood. I assumed they didn't need to bathe cause essentially, aren't vampires dead and therefore not prone to sweat and deterioration of the body? But that's a good idea. I think you could get a Catholic priest to bless the Reservoir or damn from which Sunnydale's water supply comes. If nothing else it would make every toilet, faucet and swimming pool virtually unlimited supply houses of deadly ammunition. Offhand, I think of Jenny being pursued by Angel down the school corridors. Surely there was a drinking fountain somewhere in those halls and had the water supply been Holy, she could have easily gotten a mouthful from a nearby fountain and spit it at Angel. funee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:16:40 EDT From: Arakzile@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! In a message dated 98-10-17 01:01:19 EDT, fun-ee@juno.com writes: << I was under the impression they neither bathed, ate or did anything except kill and drink blood. >> I think thaat they do bathe....after all, if you were laying around for a couple hundred years ans during that time, didn't shower once...you would be pretty nasty! Kara - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:32:35 PDT From: "Mz. Gwyn" Subject: BUFFY: Re: Watcher's Guide I got my Watcher's Guide from Amazon.com today and as I was looking through it, I found 2 things curious 1st: I always thought aka (Invisble Girl) ep was originally titled Out of Sight, Out of Mind it turns out to be Out of Mind, Out of Sight. It has some of the written not scene lines in it too. 2nd: I think Aly H. is a really beautiful girl, but some of the pics I've seen of her where just bad (1st season promos, where the make-up artist did not do her colors right with the outfits she was wearing she looked like a clown). My really favorite picture of her are from the "elegant" photo where everyone is dressed really nice and SMG is wearing the long brown gown and one in the guide where she's laying on her back. She looks good. Ciao Ms. Gwyn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:31:40 EDT From: SXorceress@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! In a message dated 10/16/98 10:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Arakzile@aol.com writes: > << I was under the impression they neither bathed, > ate or did anything except kill and drink blood. >> > lol, they bathe...I remember that after that one episode where Angel and Buffy were under the influence of those two lovers who killed each otha, Angel bathed to rid himself of that hideaous aftertaste of that feeling called love...waht show was that? The ~S!~ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:43:14 -0600 From: Cyprus Subject: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs >Yeah but with all the difficult kills Buffy has had (The Master, Luke, >Machida, the Judge, Moloch, etc. . .) couldn't she have picked one she >actually killed? I mean, she barely even fought the Three before Angel jumped >in saved her butt and they ran. I think it's a flub. Had she picked a genuine kill, then it wouldn't have stood out as an obvious lie. Also, notice the slight quaver in her voice. It's fairly apparent that Buffy is telling a falsehood and knows it. Cyprus - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:45:47 -0600 From: Cyprus Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! > lol, they bathe...I remember that after that one episode where Angel and >Buffy were under the influence of those two lovers who killed each otha, Angel >bathed to rid himself of that hideaous aftertaste of that feeling called >love...waht show was that? "I only have eyes for you" Cyprus - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:49:34 EDT From: Arakzile@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! In a message dated 98-10-17 02:31:40 EDT, SXorceress writes: << aftertaste of that feeling called love...waht show was that? >> The episode was IOHE4U Kara - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:27:36 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net (Katie Masters) Subject: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs >Had she picked a genuine kill, then it wouldn't have stood out as an >obvious lie. Also, notice the slight quaver in her voice. It's fairly >apparent that Buffy is telling a falsehood and knows it. If you guys look at your tape, I think you may notice that (I'm pretty sure, at least) that Faith asks her what her best FIGHT was, not her best kill. But I could be wrong. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:58:04 EDT From: Alverdine@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs In a message dated 10/17/98 5:29:32 PM, you wrote: <> No, she (Faith) asks--exactly-- "What about you? What was your toughest kill?". For that matter even if she had said what was your toughest fight I couldn't understand why she would have said the Three. But since Faith did say kill, and we all know it was Angel (who isn't dead but Buffy doesn't know that), why didn't she pick an actual kill? I realize she was not telling the truth for a reason but with all her pals around--and Xander and Willow DO know who the Three were, Buffy tells them all about the Three in "Angel" right before Giles tells them that they (the Three) would now offer their lives to the Master in penance-- why not pick somebody they could all agree had been difficult, like say, the Master? Kelly - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:01:48 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Well! On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:31:40 EDT SXorceress@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 10/16/98 10:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Arakzile@aol.com writes: > lol, they bathe...I remember that after that one episode where Angel >and >Buffy were under the influence of those two lovers who killed each >otha, Angel Well it seems that's the point. Angel bathed to rid himself of Buffy's scent. The pure unadulterated vampire doesn't need to bathe because he's self-contained. I think that makes sense. Cause if you aren't alive -- vampires aren't living humans anymore -- then they aren't prone to the same degenerative or growing processes as human beings such as aging, flaking skin, body odor, beard and hair growth, etc. That's my opinion on the matter. However, since what we are talking about are the vampires that inhabit the world of Joss Whedon's creation, maybe this is a question best posed to the main man himself. funee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:02:40 EDT From: VampGrl22@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! In a message dated 98-10-17 01:01:19 EDT, fun-ee@juno.com writes: << Do vampires drink water? I was under the impression they neither bathed, ate or did anything except kill and drink blood. >> But didn't Angel sort of bathe in IOHEFY? Remember, "they say when you've drawn blood you've exfoiliated". Also, Mr. Trick did order a diet soda, and while this point is uup for debate, I think that his origional intention was just to drink it, and he just killed the drive thru guy cause kissing tost made his hungry. Also, havn't we seen Angel drinking coffee? I know there was that whole thing about Buffy and Angel going out for coffee- "Its not a date, its a caffinated beverage." Just my thoughts, of course. VampGirl Keeper of Willow's interrogation techniques (GF), Xander's design plans for the very tiny fence he believed Buffy was buliding (WttH), Joyce's industrial strength detergent (for getting the blood out of Buffy's clothes), Dru's "Angel always knows what speaks to a girl's heart," (BBB), Xander's "Oh yea baby, its snake-o-licious in here (IOHEFY), Giles' weapons cabinet in the library, adoptive mother to fishman Gage (GF), owner of 250 shares of David Boreanz, BRLQ #67, GASPer - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:07:27 -0400 From: "Crystie" Subject: BUFFY: DB on Nickelodeon! David Boreanaz is on Nickelodeon *Right NOW!!* I thought you might wanna know.... Crystie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Friendship is a deeper emotion than love...but not as entertaining. Keeper of Willow's hand Xander held, Coke she & Xander shared, pent up Anger & Frustration, and Wringing Hands when she's nervous, Giles' Inordinate Amount of Nudging, Xander's Diet Dr. Pepper he paid for but Buffy got, Swimming Cap, and Irresistability to Insects and Mummies. Quote Helper for Buffy,city on thewbfanz@onelist.com Quote of the Week: "If I could tell the world just one thing, it would be: We're all ok." --Jewel "Hands" - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #527 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)