From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #531 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 531 In this issue: BUFFY: Become a Keeper!! BUFFY: About Sarah's Comments on WB!!! Re: BUFFY: Angel's Return BUFFY: Scott Hope Keepers Re: BUFFY: Canadian Spoilers/Synopsis for "All Men Are Beasts" (Spoilers/Long) BUFFY: Standard studio photo of Sarah? Re: BUFFY: Canadian Spoilers/Synopsis for "All Men Are Beasts" (Spoilers/Long) Re: BUFFY: SHHHH! Re: BUFFY: SHHHH! BUFFY: Review--"Beauty and the Beasts" **SPOILERS!!** Re: BUFFY: Moral Messages in Buffy BUFFY: Here's an article from People BUFFY: Scooby Vamps..... BUFFY: Here's an article from People Re: BUFFY: Angel's return BUFFY: Spoiler for Episode 5 BUFFY: ADMIN: List rules BUFFY: ADMIN: How to (un)subscribe BUFFY: ADMIN: Netiquette BUFFY: Beauty and the Beast (SPOILERS) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:19:50 -0500 From: Lisa Subject: BUFFY: Become a Keeper!! Here's the weekly letter I send out every week. But here's an update.... the Cordelia Keepers site has come back to life!! If you submitted a claim within the last few months please check the site to see if you got your request. http://members.aol.com/PalOBuffys/Cordelia Every new episode provides lots of new keeper possibilities!! If you see something that you like in an episode, you should try to be the keeper of it. "Keeping" is a way of showing your love for the show and your favorite characters, places and quotes. Some sites divide the claims into Keepers and Guardians... Keepers keep tangible items that you could actually touch. Guardians guard things like attitudes, expressions or experiences. When you are the keeper or guardian of an item you have claimed it and can add it to the signature line of your e-mails. Claims are made on everything from Xander's ho-hos to Cordelia's snobbiness, from Angel's penetrating gaze to Buffy's "issues," from Kendra's "Mr. Pointy" to Giles' coats and ties. The keeper sites get flooded with requests the second after a new episode airs. So submit your request quickly to improve your chances of getting your favorite claims. It's always first come, first served. And remember to have fun! Be creative with your claim requests! You'll enjoy them more and so will everyone who reads your sig. Visit the keeper index for links to all of the official keeper sites. http://www.concentric.net/~Creatv/keeper/index.html Lisa <-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> xanderkeepers@geocities.com (Xander Keepers) - - or - cultjam@geocities.com Maintainer of the Official Xander Keepers Site http://www.geocities.com/~xanderkeepers - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:31:07 -0400 From: "D.Z." Subject: BUFFY: About Sarah's Comments on WB!!! I just saw comments from Sarah on the WB News here in Philly. She said she doesn't like to be called a feminist. - -I totally agree with her. She's just a girl with that kind of a role. She said that she didn't like that she was proclaimed one of the fifty most beautiful people. - -I guess I'm okay with this. I think people judge you by what kind of interviews you do. But a lot of people also jump to conclusions. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:32:48 EDT From: MoonCat25@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's Return In a message dated 98-10-19 13:31:57 EDT, you write: << Was Buffy praying for Angel? Did her prayer deliver him? That would make the white light that he fell out of the God-light, which makes sense. Comments, anyone? >> Maybe Buffy was thinking and feeling how much she loved him and missed him. The power of love and all that. MoonCat Keeper of the Tea Kettle - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:08:04 EDT From: AuroraGlxy@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Scott Hope Keepers Announcing the new Scott Hope Keepership Site! I just started it and it's at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1862/scott.html By the way, I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. I'm sort of out of the keepership-site-owning loop, so I don't know if I went about this the right way, if I was supposed to notify anyone, etc, etc, but I did it. Let me know if there's any problems! Amanda ICQ #16963652, BXL member#57, Member of Spuffy, Official Keeper of Xander's: Wanting to have sex when looking at linoleum just because he's 17, Economy--phrasing "We'd be in trouble." & "Gone," Nickname "Lookin Around Guy," Quotes: "I mean, if I thought you had one clue what it would mean to me... But you don't. So I can't." & "You can paint this any way you want, but the way I see it is that you wanna' forget all about Ms. Calendar's murder so you can get your boyfriend back." - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:10:48 EDT From: Jdela327@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Canadian Spoilers/Synopsis for "All Men Are Beasts" (Spoilers/Long) do u or anyone have the weekly synopsis on "faith hope and trick" if u do please send me it thank u very much - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:28:14 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Standard studio photo of Sarah? Hi... I just got an autographed 6x8 photo of Sarah Michelle Gellar it says: "Best of Everything, Whips and Kisses, signed Sarah Michelle Gellar." It features Sarah in a three-quarters pose sitting on the floor in a black leotard outfit, right leg extended, left bent with her left hand on that bent leg's knee. Is that a standard studio photo? funee PS just kidding about the "Whips and Kisses". It really says XOXO. Doesn't that mean love and kisses? (: ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: bandali@interlog.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Canadian Spoilers/Synopsis for "All Men Are Beasts" (Spoilers/Long) Slight Correction >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > > > >S >P >A >C >E > >The scene opens at night, showing a full moon. We hear a voice over from >Willow, reciting poetry. We then see her in the Library, reading a book. >A Wolverine jumps into the cage wall beside her, startling her. Xander >enters to take over the Oz-watching duty from Willow. She tells him where The voiceover at both the beginning and the end are from Buffy; at the beginning it fades into willow's voice. With the two voice overs, i got definate echo of "Passion". Another parallel: in "Passion" Angel watches over Buffy (abeit with evil intent) but in this eps., Buffy watches over him. I must say, SMG was really good in this eps. Every time she saw what Angel had become, with every growl or hiss, you could see the answering reaction on her face. And her stunned, semi-incredulous look at the end was really well-acted. my $0.02, sabrina - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:22:08 -0230 (NDT) From: "Melodie M. Payne" Subject: Re: BUFFY: SHHHH! Marcy was the invisible girl from I believe it was the second last episode of the first season...the one trying to kill Cordeila! I think the name of the epsiode was Out of Mind, Out of Sight...or just plain and simple Invisible Girl! ~Mel~ On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 Jdela327@aol.com wrote: > who's marcy? > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: SHHHH! On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Jeff Weitkamp wrote: > Giles had to tell Jenny everything in Prophecy Girl. > Jenny: "The thing that get's me is where Buffy is the Slayer. She's > so tiny." > After the revelation that Jenny was not who she originally said she was, I got the picture that she was lying in this scene. In order to keep up her image, she had to pretend that she didn't know Buffy was the slayer, or something.... Oh, and a slight revision to the List of Morals... About the not having underage sex with an older person...this should probably be changed to simply Don't Have Sex. I mean, is there a sexual relationship that we have seen (and you can't simply assume that two people are having sex...they have to mention it or something) that has gone well? Cheers! Tracey tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: BUFFY: Review--"Beauty and the Beasts" **SPOILERS!!** Warning: If reading SPOILERS for the latest episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Beauty and the Beasts" will create a Jeckyll and Hyde reaction for you, please turn back now. There are major SPOILERS just ahead... In short: A compelling, well-drawn episode. OK, I've got to admit that as I sat down to watch Beauty and the Beasts I was a bit worried. Why do you ask? Because last year I was blown away by School Hard, much as I was by Faith, Hope and Trick last week only to come up a bit disappointed by the next Buffy episode. After the events of last week, I honestly wondered if Buffy could keep up the intensity or if we were perhaps headed for a bit of a letdown. So, I was hesistant as the opening credits rolled. But give Marti Noxon credit once again. In the clutch, she stepped up and delivered a solid hit that was compelling and in the final act virtually impossible to take your eyes off the screen. So far this year, Noxon is two for two in giving us follow-up episodes following major events in the Buffy universe. My respect for her is growing every time I see new material from her. In fact, at times as I watched this episode, I was reminded of her work last year on Passions. Both episodes are emotional wringers for the characters. Last year it was Giles in Passions, this year it's Buffy. And let me just say again that if Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't get the Emmy nod this year, there is no justice in the world. (Of course, there hasn't been any really since Charles Woodson won the Heisman over the clearly more qualified, better athlete Peyton Manning, but I digress.) Her performance in Beauty and the Beasts was wonderfully well crafted and executed. Seeing Buffy on edge because of her secret that Angel has returned was wonderful. It went from gritty detremination after she shackled Angel in chains at the old mansion to self-doubt as we saw in the therapist's office. In between, Gellar ran the gamut from her scenes with Giles in the library discussing what Angel might be like if he did return from Acathala's dimension to her hesitancy in dealing with Scott in the cafeteria scene. All in all, Sarah Michelle Gellar really made Buffy crackle alive this week and be the splendid character who is torn between her duty as the Slayer and the feeling she has. Gellar is becoming the master at this and it shone through again this week. Of course, just as we saw two weeks ago in Dead Man's Party, Buffy is put through an emotional wringer. Her early scenes with Scott show a happy, confident Buffy emerging. But no sooner does Angel return than we see the conflict emerge within her about her sworn duty and perhaps her still trying to protest Angel. It's a shame really that the therapist had to be killed in the course of the episode because I really liked what he added to the show. Giving Buffy a third-person objective observer who is totally removed from her situation might have led to some interesting character insight as the year went along. I think that seeing Buffy being forced to face her fears and weaknesses in another way besides her role as Slayer would have been really great to see. Of course, Noxon's able pen didn't just give us some great Buffy character moments, but also character moments for the entire cast. I loved seeing the conflict among the Scooby gang--especially as Oz is first suspected of the murder of the student. Seeing Willow's firm belief in Oz along side Giles mistrust and Xander's usual barb was nice. Also, Xander's role in the episode had me questioning a few things--are we settng Xander up for a fall down the line? It seems as though this might be where we're going--a major episode in which Xander's sins come to light such as his lying to Buffy last year and his lack of responsbility here when it came to watching Oz. It seems as though Xander is becoming more self-centered than he used to be and it's a trend that's disturbing to see but yet compelling to see how it develops. But the real strength of Noxon's script is it's examination of the theme of all men being beasts to some extent or another. Obviously, Oz is the most visible example of the two sides of humanity--man and beast and how they live in balance. We see it in Xander as well in his scenes. But where it really comes up is in Angel and the abusive boyfriend. You've got to give Noxon a lot of credit more crafting an episode that examines the issue of abusive relationships without seeming preachy or condescending. Yes, the scene in the bathroom with Buffy confronting the girl strayed toward going over this line, but it never did. It was exactly the type of scene this episode demanded. Also seeing that fact that she refused to betray what was being done to her was a dead-on reaction and one that felt right. It would have been cliched to see her suddenly turn on the boyfriend and turn him over to Buffy. Instead, we saw her protect him until the bitter end. It was a shame to see her get killed at the end. It might have been nice to see her having to deal with the fall-out of the end of the relationship and if Buffy was able to be her friend through all that. As for the reasoning behind his transformation, I can buy it. I like the examination of Jeckyll and Hyde being a literal one as well as an emotional one. The scene in the closet after he's beaten teh girl and then cries in her lap was more chilling than any scene we've seen all year. Namely because of the intense manipulative nature of the scene and the emotions involved. After that, I was glad to see Angel kill the guy. Which brings me to the only major weakness in the story--namely the coincidental nature of the ending. Once Angel broke free of his shackles, I knew that somehow he'd burst in to save Buffy once again. Adn that's exactly what happened. I also felt sure that his blood lust might be cured or diminished a bit after the kiling and it was. It may just be me, but I'd hoped for something different. Of course, the battle between Oz and the guy was great. I loved Oz's dead-pan reaction that he had no idea what was coming as he goes wolfy. A great scene. In fact, this episode this is the first episode this year that I feel as though Oz has been utilized to his full potential as a full time member of the gang. Also, a part of me wishs we'd be met the couple a bit before now. Been given a chance to get to know them more so that the events played out here would have even more meaning than they had. It seemed as though they were Mr. and Ms. Perfect High-School couple and it was nice to see the dark streak under the surface. But I think it would have been a bit more shocking had they cropped up before. Well, I guess that about wraps it up for now, except for a few small things... --So Buffy was in Acthala's dimesnion in Anne....interesting. Makes you wonder if they will be coming to get her back or maybe to take Angel back.... --Oz's wolf suit is getting better, but he still looks liek a bit bear in it... --The morphing effect when the boyfriend transformed into his Hyde persona was stunning. --OK, does the Scooby gang know about Angel's return? All in all, Beauty and the Beasts is a fun, entertaining episode. Definitely a keeper. My rating: 9.0 (out of 10.0) Next up: It's a repeat of last year's fun Halloween episode....if you haven't seen it yet, you should. If you have, watch it again. It's just plain fun. "We're not to the flower stage yet are we?" --Buffy Michael Hickerson mhickers@usit.net Buffy Reviews Archive: www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/4507 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:42:54 EDT From: CatDancer8@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Moral Messages in Buffy In a message dated 98-10-19 19:37:41 EDT, you write: << OK, we've discussed the cautionary statements for teens embedded in Buffy episodes before, but I thought maybe we could actually try to catalog 'em (this would have been a nice summer activity to relieve boredom): >> Already doing it. ( : At my site, Vampyr, there is a log of all the moral messages, hidden things and more in the "Stacks." You can find it all at: http://members.aol.com/Ladomato/vampyr.html I'm always looking for more though, so send them in! ( : - -Michelle - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:01 -0500 From: lazarus@execpc.com Subject: BUFFY: Here's an article from People I'm on a mailing list from People magazine, and this article appeared in the email sent me. This story may or may not appear in the print magazine. CLOSE SHAVE FOR 'BUFFY' When Sarah Michelle Gellar thinks of feminism, she thinks of hairy legs. The star of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" tells USA Weekend that she hates the term 'feminist.' "It makes you think of women that don't shave their legs. Do I consider myself a strong female individual? Uh-huh. Can I take care of myself? Yeah, sure," insists Gellar, 21. And don't bring up the fact that she made PEOPLE's "50 Most Beautiful People" list, either. "It's annoying, because sometimes you meet people and they think, 'Look! Another cute little blond actress.' That's not who I am." At 10:42 AM 10/20/98 -0400, you wrote: - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:24 -0700 From: Wirchler Subject: BUFFY: Scooby Vamps..... Just a question to all you fans out there.... I think a 'dream sequence', or an episode with a parallel universe (like some fanfic I know of) would be a cool ep......personally, I would dig on seeing Aly and Nick and ASH in 'game face', as they call it. Wouldn't have to be 'real', but it sure would be fun to see!!! Any comments? Wirchler Keeper of Spike's (reluctant) respect for Buffy1 Note to self: If someone asks if you're a god, you say yes!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:28:19 -0500 From: lazarus@execpc.com Subject: BUFFY: Here's an article from People I'm on a mailing list from People magazine, and this article appeared in the email sent me. This story may or may not appear in the print magazine. CLOSE SHAVE FOR 'BUFFY' When Sarah Michelle Gellar thinks of feminism, she thinks of hairy legs. The star of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" tells USA Weekend that she hates the term 'feminist.' "It makes you think of women that don't shave their legs. Do I consider myself a strong female individual? Uh-huh. Can I take care of myself? Yeah, sure," insists Gellar, 21. And don't bring up the fact that she made PEOPLE's "50 Most Beautiful People" list, either. "It's annoying, because sometimes you meet people and they think, 'Look! Another cute little blond actress.' That's not who I am." At 10:42 AM 10/20/98 -0400, you wrote: - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:53:29 -0700 From: Autumn Nazarian Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's return > I don't think that Joss is ever going to reveal the true way or reason > that Angel was able to return. I just think it will be one of those > unanswered questions on the series. > I think they will answer it with some sort of Giles-talk, and then a skeptical reply from one of the SG. That seems to be their tactic lately. One of the gang is skeptical, and so we are on their side, and focus on that rather than being skeptical of the sketchy explanation. sorry. I'm in a bad mood. but lets see if I'm right. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:59:39 -0400 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: BUFFY: Spoiler for Episode 5 From the ClickTV online listings, here's the description of the episode scheduled to air the week after next (i.e. Nov. 3 in the US). Apparently, it's now entitled "Homecoming". S P O I L E R S P A C E > Buffy the Vampire Slayer > Homecoming > Program Type: Network Series / Adventure > Parental Guidance: TV-PG > Cordelia's (Charisma Carpenter) apparent lock on the Homecoming > Queen title inspires Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) to show her up; > Mr. Trick (guest star K. Todd Freeman) brings together a band of > dangerous killers. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:42:06 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: List rules Welcome! This list is for discussion of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," both the TV series and the movie. The address to post messages to the list is BUFFY@LISTS.XMISSION.COM. Please SAVE this message for future reference. The buffy FAQ can be found at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1763/buffyfaq.html. Please check it out ASAP--Cagey has done a wonderful job with it and it will answer a bunch of your questions about the show and fandom. 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S P O I L E R S Episode 4 (Oct. 19/98): "Beauty and the Beast": Synopsis: 1) Oz turns into a wearwolf and is suspected of killing somebody; 2) Buffy finds Angel as some wild beast, but he recovers in the end; 3) Scott's friend has concocted some formula that has him kill anyone who comes near his girlfriend, and she is abused by him; and 4) Buffy has a couple of sessions with the school counsellor before he gets killed by the boyfriend. Review: The worst episode of the season. I'll start with the good stuff: I enjoyed Angel's storyline A LOT and the fight between the wolf and violent guy was awesome. This newly decorared wolf is much more realistic. And I tolerated Faith...uh, kind of. But.... 1) Where were Xander and Cordelia? So much time was spent on some stupid counselling session (everything Buffy said to him we already knew), boring Scott and his even more boring friends, and the barely tolerable Faith that they couldn't even be there to fight the bad guy. Not only that, Xander's attempts at humour fell flat and Cordelia's regular outbursts were really making me annoyed (not at her, but the constant "I can't believe she said that" looks by the others and the insults by Xander). 2) The inconsistency of Giles. This proves how little respect he has for Xander and Cordelia. He gets all upset about the fact that Xander slept through everything, which may have resulted in Oz leaving the cage (and he didn't). But what happens when Buffy does the same thing the next night? He's all concerned! 3) The actual storyline of the abusive boyfriend stunk. There is a thing called subtlety. Did we really need to see him hit her? And what was all the preaching by Buffy and Willow? What is it: Blossom the Vampire Slayer? 4) Seth Green has a very limited range--A VERY limited range. His attempts at sadness were laughable to say the least. He needs to find a new facial expression and ENOUGH of his snide remarks. Thankfully, Willow salvaged the storyline somewhat (I loved her tug at the tail). 5) Lastly, there are too many superfluous characters now and the whole group dynamic has changed so much from last season that I don't even know if they're really friends. Perhaps they are dealing with it subtly, but when they handle stuff like the abuse storyline with such heavyhandedness, I'm not sure subtlety has ever been a strength of this show. Please, get Faith off. Please, either give Scott an actual personality (he's liking boring Angel without the moodiness) or kill him. Please, no more scenes of Buffy getting all sad about Angel. We get it: she feels sad and guilty! Move the plot along! While there are many problems I had with this ep, there were some terrific stuff: Angel was fantastic, and the fight between Oz and the abusive boyfriend was SUPERB! Did anyone else think that this was the most violent show of this series' history? I know it's not Little House on the Prairie, but some very graphic stuff. Before, we'd see the girlfriend's black eye and get the picture--now, we get to see her get beat up. Is this progress? I never hate any Buffy episode, and I don't hate this one, but I'm plenty disappointed by it. Later, Lewis. - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #531 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)