From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #553 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 553 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming BUFFY: homecoming, my thoughts Re: BUFFY: PREVIEW!!!! Snyder being fun.....funness ramblings.... Re: BUFFY: homecoming, my thoughts Re: BUFFY: Cordy's strengths and weaknesses Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming BUFFY: Re: GASP!: Speechless. ;) BUFFY: Homecoming Music BUFFY: homecoming and brevin BUFFY: WGN feed lost Re: BUFFY: WGN feed lost Re: BUFFY: Cordy's strengths and weaknesses BUFFY: re:Xander & Willow BUFFY: Homecoming BUFFY: Homecoming quote list BUFFY: Homecoming -- An Instant Classic Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming BUFFY: Overnight ratings for Homecoming [none] BUFFY: Love on BtVS See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:23:37 EST From: WiddleOne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming In a message dated 98-11-03 21:35:18 EST, you write: << Except i did think buffy was a little cruel towards angel when she told him about scott... i mean, angel's been away from her from THOUSANDS (?) of years, and the thang that brought back any kind of sanity in him was his love for buffy! i just was hoping buffy would take him over scott.... >> AHHHHH!!!!! Just get me all riled up again! I'm actually sitting here punching the air. AHHHHH!!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 05:29:51 -0800 From: maureen brzezniak Subject: BUFFY: homecoming, my thoughts I just finished reading through all of the posts, and I was amazed at how negative everyone was! I really thought this was one of the better episodes... and that probably had a lot to do with Willow and Xander. Ah... sweetness. :) And wow, I've never said this about her ever before, but GO CORDY!!! And so Giles didn't have a huge role, but the lines he had were adorable. Giles... joking around? Is the watcher finally lightening up a bit? Moving over to the dark side... I like Mr. Trick. He's a one-liner type of guy, and he does it well. I'm also glad we finally got to see the mayor... and I thought my boss was bad. Moist toilette? :) Xander in a tux and those adorable german twins... sigh... could life get any better? :) As usual, just my opinion. P.S. For those of you that stayed tuned for scenes from the next Buffy and actually GOT them, what's the next ep about? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:32:15 EST From: WiddleOne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: PREVIEW!!!! Snyder being fun.....funness ramblings.... In a message dated 98-11-03 23:13:16 EST, you write: << and then Giles....I pose a question.....since they're all acting like teenagers, and when Giles was a teen, thats when the whole Eygon thing happened..so is this next episode going to have a little Eygon replay? hmmmm.... >> I don't know, but I did hear Buffy saying something about Giles as a teenager being NOT GOOD. He was beating up a police officer! I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait! Jen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:47:27 EST From: WiddleOne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: homecoming, my thoughts In a message dated 98-11-04 05:27:03 EST, you write: << For those of you that stayed tuned for scenes from the next Buffy and actually GOT them, what's the next ep about? >> Something is making all the adults in town act like they're sixteen. Which includes Joyce dressed in a feather boa telling Buffy she's going to do what she wants to do and Buffy's not going to stop her, Snyder saying, "I'm so stoked!" and from a little tiny clip I'm guessing he's gonna try and hit on Joyce...then, there's Giles, dressed in a T-shirt and jeans with a flannel tied around his waist, beating up a police officer, chasing Buffy, and a clip of Buffy saying something to the effect of: Giles as a teenager is *not good*. I guess we'll all finally get to see a little of the Ripper, finally! Jen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:40:02 EST From: WiddleOne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's strengths and weaknesses In a message dated 98-11-04 01:26:11 EST, you write: << Cordy's weaknesses: two faced, no sense of humor, bad at sports (LOL, Charisma Carpenter is quite the athlete) fake smile, superficial, manipulative, brie (remember the stinky brie shindig from DMP) and Xander (LOL! once a dork, always a dork) >> And she would show that list to Xander? That's really mean. Hereby strengthening my feelings for Buffy in this episode. Thanks! Jen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:38:03 EST From: MoonCat25@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming In a message dated 98-11-03 21:35:12 EST, you write: << Except i did think buffy was a little cruel towards angel when she told him about scott... i mean, angel's been away from her from THOUSANDS (?) of years, and the thang that brought back any kind of sanity in him was his love for buffy! i just was hoping buffy would take him over scott.... >> I got so mad at her for that. I know that she is trying to move on and deal with the fact that he needs her, but he is so fragile right now. She shouldn't take out her confusion on him. That was harsh. She was his constant. His one focal point in hell. He loves her still. You could tell by the way he touched her jacket and the way that he looked at her. MoonCat keeper of the Tea Kettle - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:50:25 EST From: MoonCat25@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: GASP!: Speechless. ;) In a message dated 98-11-03 22:08:18 EST, you write: << Y'know, I saw that trailer and said to myself, "Self," I said, "the GASPers aren't going to say a word about the nice suit, they aren't going to bitch about how he got clonked on the head =again= -- no, they're just gonna talk about the preview." >> Actually, when I saw him in that nice suit I looked at my husband and said "Wow, no more tweed lately. He is going for those nice cool looking clothes now." And oh I can't wait to see next week. I think it's going to be funny. But Giles as the uncontrolled Ripper makes up for his absense this week. I think he is going to be a mail focal point next week. I wonder how this will be handled. MoonCat Keeper of the TeaKettle - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:53:28 EST From: LaremyB@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Homecoming Music Hi, All. I've just updated the Buffy Music Pages to include songs featured in last nights episode. The new artists/bands are Lori Carson, the Pinehurst Kids, Lisa Loeb, and Fastball. And the new Four Star Mary song is "She Knows." Check out the music page at -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8864/music.htm Leslie laremyb@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:26:21 PST From: "Duremdes BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: homecoming and brevin The ep is clearly the best so far, Cordy was awesome, and Buffy and Willow looked cute. Also the lines were real funny, especially the insults; they were so hilarious. That's all I have to say, other than that the Trick dude looks like Brevin Knight. Later. DUREMDES Keeper of Buffy's "shoes" that Cordy put herself in ("Cordy...get off my shoes!") http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre MOBILINE PHONE PALS 1998 CENTENNIAL CUP CHAMPS!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:46:21 -0600 From: Kathryn Johnston Subject: BUFFY: WGN feed lost Hello, all! Last night, while happily watching and recording "Homecoming," my television went blank. I was watching WGN from Chicago, and immediately switched from cable to "rabbit ears" reception, and still no "Buffy." I live in the Indiana suburbs--did this happen all over Chicagoland? I lost TEN MINUTES from when they caught the hunter in the bear trap to Cordelia facing down Lyle with the spatula. Does anyone know if they are going to rebroadcast "Buffy" so we can see the whole episode? Thanks, Katy - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:04:49 -0500 From: Kim Hayden Subject: Re: BUFFY: WGN feed lost >television went blank. I was watching WGN from Chicago, and immediately >switched from cable to "rabbit ears" reception, and still no "Buffy." I >live in the Indiana suburbs--did this happen all over Chicagoland? I >lost TEN MINUTES from when they caught the hunter in the bear trap to >Cordelia facing down Lyle with the spatula. Hi Katy, I get Buffy on WGN from Chicago also and we didn't loose the feed here. It must have been a local thing. You can always check your local cable company to see if they will rebroadcast "Homecoming" at another time. Unfortunately if you're cable company is anything like ours, they won't. Kim ************************ Kim Hayden Department of Sociology 1525 Patterson Office Tower University of Kentucky Lexington, KY 40506-0027 Email: kahayd01@pop.uky.edu ************************ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:35:41 EST From: "John Nestoriak" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Cordy's strengths and weaknesses >Michelle's weakness included: >and PB crazed. I gues PB means peanut butter, which is a rater >wacky obsession. I'll bet it's a shout out to the Posting Board crazed fans. Joss has been know to throw references their way before. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:39:01 -0400 From: Donna Brown Subject: BUFFY: re:Xander & Willow > willow/xander (was it just me or was anyone else screaming "YES!" when they > kissed?) > I was screaming "ICK!!!" Where to begin? well, using the tired old "good heavens, you've taken off your glasses and let down your hair and now I find you a totally fabulous babe" cliche is so far below the usual "Buffy" plot twist standard that I can't believe they used it. How trite; how predictable. More important, the kiss was COMPLETELY out of character for Willow. Sure, Xander is shallow enough to move on that, but Willow? As another poster said, she pretty much betrayed everyone in "Homecoming." Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. If she didn't have Oz, maybe (though I hoped she'd believe in "sisterhood" enough not to screw over Cordy). But there's been nothing in their relationship to suggest that she'd be vulnerable to Xander despite her longstanding crush > I was feeling so bad for Oz. Correction: I was actually screaming at the TV > at > Willow, "What the heck are you thinkin?!". I was even feeling for Cordelia > when she told Buffy how she feels about Xander and all the while I knew he > was > smoochin with Oz's woman... > Exactly!!!! Willow's not a character to act so impulsively, selfishly and hurtfully. Continuity, please! > Cordelia may be a great > trollop, but Willow will make a better wife. And a wife will always be a > greater and richer treasure than a well-endowed trollop. > Them's fighting words! Where and when was it EVER established that Cordelia is a trollop?! Look it up -- it means slattern or prostitute. For all we know, she, like Xander and Willow, is a virgin. And wife??!! These are high school students -- why on earth should we be hustling any of them to the altar? And why should Willow or Cordelia be measured by what they can offer Xander? What does he bring to either of them that couldn't be better provided by. . . oh, I don't know. . . Oz? Let's see, we already know that Xander has the propensity to cheat, but I'll bet anything Oz doesn't so much look at other women. Maybe Cordy deserves him, since they're the two non-cheating partners in this little romantic quadrangle Donna Brown dbrown@gdac.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:09:03 -0500 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: BUFFY: Homecoming >-Ok, Buffy and Cordelia were riding in the limo for how long? And it took >them how long to get back? On foot? Hmm... > They were riding FROM Buffy's house to the woods, then walking TO the school. The woods may be really close to the school. I agree with may posters that I never saw the Willow/Xander thing coming. And I am not really ready for it. I'm a Buffaholic I'm a Cordy Girl, "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."(KBD)-- My new motto to live by. Love ya, Cordy! I'm Spike's slave--and proud of it! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Betsy Vera Subject: BUFFY: Homecoming quote list As always, the quote list was compiled by Maureen Wynn (mwynn@umich.edu). Bug her about mistakes, not me, okay? Maureen's quote lists are archived at: - - http://www.enteract.com/~perridox/SunS/quotes.html (Sunnydale Slayers) and - - http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1763/giles.html (Cagey) - ------ Homecoming quote list B=Buffy, G=Giles, X=Xander, W=Willow, O=Oz, S=Scott, Mr T=Mr. Trick M=Mayor Richard Wilkins, III, Gorch=Lyle Gorch C-I think we should get a limo. X-A limo? A big, expensive limo? W-That sounds like fun. And it is our last homecoming dance, so maybe we should make a big deal of it. X-You want to talk fun? Public bus. You meet the funnest people. Back me up here, Oz. O-Well, if it's a dollar issue, we can all take my van. C-Van? The Homecoming Queen doesn't go to the dance in a van. Use your head. X-Well, technically, you haven't been elected yet... although you certainly and without a doubt will be. Who else likes a limo? W-A private limo. It is pretty... cuddlesome. W-Why wouldn't you go? You already have your tickets. I mean, unless you don't have a da... ay... or two, to think about it. We should all think about it. C-What's going on here? Did Scott not ask her to the Homecoming Dance yet? B-Thanks, Cordelia. Humiliation's really good for my color. S-I assumed that you would think it was corny or something. But I'm in, I mean, you know, if you are, if you want to. B-Sure. I do, you know, if you want to. S-Well, I do if you want to. O-The judges will accept that as a yes. B-How are you feeling? A-It hurts. Less. S-I don't think we should see each other any more. B-You don't? When did this happen? Where was I? S-Before we were going out, you seemed so full of life, like a force of nature. Now you just seem distracted all the time. B-I'm getting better, honest. In fact, from here on, you're going to see a drastic distraction reduction. Drastic distraction reduction... try saying that ten times fast. German-Is that her? Mr. T-In the nubile flesh, my friend. M-I think they could be cleaner. Aide-Of course, sir. I mean, I wash them, but... M-After every meal, and under your fingernails. Dirt gets trapped there. And germs. And mayonnaise. W-You have to help me pick an outfit. I want to wear something that makes Oz go, "Oh!" X-No problem. I got the tux going on. I'm going to look hot if it even remotely fits. X-What'cha doin'? C-Checking out the, I laughingly use the phrase, "competition." Holly Charlston: nice girl, brain dead, doesn't have a prayer. Michelle Blake: open to all mankind, especially those with a letterman's jacket and a car. She could give me a run. W-Where's Buffy? She's going to miss the yearbook pictures. X-Buffy and Faith are in the library getting all sweaty. C-They're training! X-I stand by my phrase. C-I have to go to the nurse's office for an ice-pack anyway. X-Did you hurt yourself? C-No, silly, it shrinks the pores. F-Oh, man! Guys should break up with you more often. B-Gee, thank you. F-No, I mean it. I mean, you really got some quality rage going. Really gives you an edge. B-Edge-girl. Just what I always wanted to be. F-Come on, we'll find a couple studs, we'll use 'em, and discard 'em. That's always fun. B-Okay, I'm in! Not the stud-using part, though. Or, probably not. B-Buffy Summers. Third row, I sat by the window. Your class, "Contemporary American Heroes from Amelia Earhart to Maya Angelou." That class that changed my life? B-I can't believe it. My favorite teacher, and she didn't even remember who I was. I'm like a non-person. Am I invisible? Can you see me? O-Big as life. B-Obviously it involves handing out entirely lame flyers. C-No, it involves being part of this school, and having actual friends. Now if it was about monsters, blood, and innards, then you'd be a shoo-in. B-Sorry, Cordy, but you have no idea who you're messing with. C-What, the Slayer? B-I'm not talking about the Slayer. I'm talking about Buffy. You've awakened the prom-queen within. And that crown is going to be mine. Mr. T-Competition. Competition is a beautiful thing. It makes us strive, it makes us accomplish, occasionally makes us kill. We all have the desire to win. Whether we're human, vampire... Whatever the hell you are, my brother, you got a spiny-looking head thing, I never seen that before. Thing-I am Kulak, of the Meequak clan. Mr. T-Isn't that nice. Mr. T-Ladies, gentlemen, spiny-headed looking creatures, welcome to SlayFest '98. W-It's my first big dance, you know. Where there's a boy, and a band. And not just me alone in my room pretending that there's a boy and a band. I just want it to be... X-Special. That's why I spared no expense on the tux. W-The tux? I thought you borrowed it from your cousin Rigby? X-Expense to my pride, Will. They're our only relations with money, and they shun us. As they should. W-Remember that eighth grade cotillion, and you had that clip-on? X-Yeah, I was pretty stylin' with the clip-on. W-Now here we are, and it's Homecoming. X-Yeah, we should face it, Will. You and I are going to be in neighboring rest homes, while I come over so you can adjust me... my, uh... Well, I can't think of anything that's not really gross, so... X-So, you and Oz... how do I put this? Are we on first, second, or ye gods? W-That's none of your business, Alexander Harris. X-Oh, rounding second! W-You don't know that! What about you and Cordelia? X-Oh, a gentleman never talks about his conquests. W-When did you become a... gentleman? W-I know... "nice." X-I was gonna go with "gorgeous." W-Really? You too... in a guy way. X-Oz is very lucky. W-So's Cordelia. In a girl way. X-That didn't just happen. W-No! I mean, it did, but it didn't. X-Because I respect you, and Oz, and I would never... W-I would never, either. It must be the clothes. It's a fluke. X-It's a clothes fluke, that's what it is. And there'll be no more fluking. W-Not ever. X-We got to get out of these clothes. W-Right now! X-Oh, I didn't mean... W-I didn't, me either. B-A campaign is like a war. It's won or lost in the trenches. Holly, Michelle, and our real competition, Cordelia, all have big head starts. And speaking of big heads, if I had a watermelon as big as Cordelia's, I'd be rich. Waits for laugh. B-Now, this is just like any other popularity contest. I've done this before. The only difference being this time I'm not actually popular. Although I'm not exactly unpopular. A lot of people came to my welcome home party. W-But they were killed by zombies. B-Good point. X-She's my girlfriend. W-It's just that, she needs it so much more than you do. O-As Willow goes, so goes my nation. B-Hey. W-Hi! How are you? Are you good? You look good. Anything new? Hey, did I mention you look good? B-Willow, it's okay that you're helping Cordelia. We're best friends. I'm not going to hold it against you. W-No, I'm not a friend, I'm a rabid dog who should be shot. But there are forces at work here, dark, incomprehensible forces. B-And I'm sure they're more important than all we've been through together. Or the number of times that I've saved your life... W-What do you want? B-Fifteen minutes alone on your computer with Cordelia's database. W-'Kay. B-Good! B-Your brain isn't even connected to your mouth, is it? X-Okay, let's not say something we'll regret later, okay? C-You crazy freak! B-Vapid whore! X-Like that! W-This is all our fault. X-How do you get from chick-fight to our fault? W-Because we felt so guilty about the fluke we overcompensated helping Cordelia, and we spun the whole group dynamic out of orbit, and we're just a big meteor shower heading for Earth... X-Okay, calm down. Let's just put our heads together and think of something. Okay, now one of us here is pretty darn smart, and I'm... just in hell! I mean, I thought being a senior, at last, and having a girlfriend, at last, would be a good thing. Why wouldn't that be a good thing? What? W-Sometimes when you're falling to pieces, your mouth, it just does the sweetest thing... B-What's massively wrong with this picture? Mr. T-Hello, ladies. Welcome to SlayerFest '98. What is a SlayerFest, you ask? Well, as in most of life, there's the hunters and the hunted. Can you guess where you two fall? From the beginning of this tape you have exactly 30 seconds -- no, that's 17 now -- to run for your lives. Faith, Buffy, have a nice death. C-Hello? How stupid are you people? She's a Slayer. I'm a Homecoming Queen! F-What are you two so mopey about? X-We're not mopey. We're grooving. On Oz's band. He's a great guy, Oz. W-He wrote this song for me. G-We have to find Buffy. Something terrible's happened. Just kidding. Thought I'd give you a scare. Are those finger sandwiches? C-Could I just ask you an eensy favor - could you just tell your friends that I'm not a Slayer? F-Scott? There you are, honey! Hey, good news. The doctor says that the itching and the swelling and the burning should clear up, but we gotta keep using the ointment. G-I suspect that the finger food contains actual fingers. C-And now I'm never going to get the chance to tell him. B-Yes you are. We are gonna get out of here, and we're gonna head back to the library, where Giles and the rest of the weapons live. Then I'm going to take out the rest of these guys, just in time for you to congratulate me on my sweeping victory as Homecoming Queen. C-I know what you're up to. You think if you get me mad enough I won't be so scared. And hey, it's working! Where's a damn weapon? B-You really love Xander? C-Well, he kinda grows on you, like... a chia pet. Demon-Want me to cut that leg off? Jungle Bob-No, thanks. C-Why is it, every time I go somewhere with you, it always ends in violence and terror? B-Welcome to my life. B-Cor, the gun! Cordelia, the spatula. Gorch-Easy, darlin'! These things go through you faster than Grandpa Gorch's chili. Mr. T-Excuse me! Anybody got a warrant here? B-Jungle Bob and Spike-head are down now. We've lost the Germans twice but they seem to keep finding us. If we take them out and the Gorches, we can still make Homecoming. C-Those animals! Hunting us down like poor defenseless... well, animals. C-I hear you, you red-neck moron. You got a dress that goes with that hat? G-Oh, I'm gonna... C-Rip out my innards, play with my eyeballs, boil my brain and eat it for brunch? Listen up, needle-brain, Buffy and I have taken out four of your cronies, not to mention your girlfriend. G-Wife! C-Whatever. The point is, I haven't even broken a sweat. See, in the end, Buffy is just the runner-up. I'm the Queen. You get me mad - what do you think I'm gonna do to you? G-Later. B-It gave Cor and I a chance to spend some quality death time. B-I need some wet toilet paper. C-Yeah, that'll help! Mayor-That's an exciting suit. Mr. T-Well, clothes make the man. Mayor-Well, as I understand it, you're not a man, exactly. W-They're going to announce the Queen. Where are they? What's keeping them? O-I'm gonna go with mud-wrestling. X-Oh, god! What did you two do to each other? B-Long story. C-Got hunted. B-Apparently, not that long. C-After all that we've been through tonight, this whole who-gets- to-be-Queen-capade seems pretty... B-Damn important. C-Oh, yeah! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:30:54 -0500 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: BUFFY: Homecoming -- An Instant Classic Now that's what I call a Buffy episode. David Greenwalt has now written my two favorites of the season, this one and FH&T. Now I seem to recall reading that he's one of the creative team that will be moving over to the Angel series so that bodes well for it, especially since he knew what to do with Cordelia here. 1. What's up with the Scott bashing? He did what I think most "normal" high school guys would do. He's not privy to what's really going on in Buffy's life so what he sees is a girl that's always distracted when she's around him, is constantly coming up with lame excuses to leave him and be elsewhere and is generally just a tad on the mopy side. Now if they were involved in a long-term relationship, sure they should talk about this and they would owe it to themselves to try to work this out and Scott just dumping Buffy would be unfair. But they're two high school kids who have gone out on a few dates over the span of a month or so. Scott sees that things aren't working out so he simply moves on. Seems like the appropriate thing to do to me. And a lot more mature than Faith's actions at the dance, funny though they were. 2. I like the fact that Willow's done something "wrong". No one is perfect and everyone has their faults and weaknesses. Her weakness is Xander. And way back in IRYJ, Willow showed that even she was human when it came to relationships as she turned against Buffy to maintain her online relationship with Malcolm. I'm wondering whether we'll get the typical Oz, "no reaction, reaction" when he finds out that he's been cheated on. 3. What a fantastic episode for Cordelia -- well, except for the fact that unbeknownst to her, she's in for a dumping by Xander as far as I can tell. Obviously, Buffy was jealous of Cordy's apparent lock on Homecoming Queen and of course, Cordy did a pretty good job of fanning the flames there. But as she said in the cabin, Cordelia just couldn't figure out *why* Buffy would feel that way when she's the one who is always saving the world and doing "stuff like this". To me that sort of indicated that Cordy wished she could be like Buffy and do important stuff but she can't and so she just couldn't figure out why Buffy couldn't just stay out of whatever less-important territory Cordy had staked out for herself. Of course in the end, Buffy didn't get to enter Cordy's world -- neither one of them became Homecoming Queen (so I guess even Cordy didn't get to enter Cordy's world). But Cordelia did get to enter Buffy's world, fighting valiantly and bluffing old Lyle "I know when to cut my losses" Gorch by pretending to be a Slayer. I don't know if I really have a point other than Cordelia = Winner. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:50:23 EST From: Tracyrr74@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Slayer Fest / Homecoming In a message dated 11/4/98 7:40:25 AM Central Standard Time, MoonCat25@aol.com writes: << Except i did think buffy was a little cruel towards angel when she told him about scott... >> I honestly think that Buffy was trying to convince herself that she needed Scott and not Angel and that by tellig Angel it might make it more true. I don't think that she was trying to be cruel towards Angel on purpose. Afterall if she felt nothing towards Angel, she wouldn't be bringing him glasses of blood (ewww) or taking care of him until he is well again. Instead she wold have staked him and been over with it. IMO in her eyes she was responsiblr for Angel losing his osul once and she could be trying not let that happen again. When Angel did touch her jacket, she flinched and I think that was because of her feelings for him (instead of fear) and she didn't want to deal with them Tra - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:11:56 -0500 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: BUFFY: Overnight ratings for Homecoming Last night's episode, Homecoming, got a 6.1 rating/9 share in the overnight Nielsens for households. Overnight ratings are based on viewing in only 44 of the largest television markets, not the nation as a whole. A first-run episode of Felicity received a 5.3 rating/8 share in the hour after Buffy, up marginally from a 5.2/8 last week. Although the national numbers have jumped around a bit, Buffy's overnight ratings for new episodes have been very stable this season. That 6.1/9 is down a bit from the 6.2/10 for Beauty and the Beasts but all of the new eps have gotten some combination of 6.1 or 6.2 ratings and 9 or 10 shares. In year-on-year Buffy comparison, on Nov. 3, 1997 (a Monday), Lie To Me received a 5.0/7 in the overnight markets in which it aired. Nielsen has added 4 more metered markets so that the overnight ratings come from 44 rather than 40 markets now. The added markets and their ranking in terms of number of households are Raleigh-Durham NC (29th), Birmingham/Anniston/Tuscaloosa AL (39th), Providence RI/New Bedford MA (50th) and finally, Las Vegas NV (56th) or as it is also known: the birthplace of Charisma "The most gorgeous woman ever to don a low-cut, high-slit, emerald green prom dress even though she's looking more and more like the type of person one would expect to see at a Playboy Mansion party rather than a high school dance" Carpenter. Most importantly from a ratings perspective, all four of those markets have a WB affiliate. Lastly, Oct. 29 - Nov. 25 is a Sweeps Month and so ratings are even more important than usual. This is one of the times each year that affiliates outside of the big 44 overnight markets get local household as well as detailed local demographic ratings. In addition, it's also one of the times each year that affiliates in the 44 overnight markets get detailed local demographic information to go along with the local household ratings they get every day. This information is then used by the affiliates as they set local rates for advertisers. So the networks have an incentive to keep their affiliates happy by providing ratings-grabber episodes of network series and stations have the incentive to put on all the juicy stories they can for their local newscasts and the like. Here are the overnight numbers for the last few episodes: October 27, Halloween (2nd repeat): 4.9/8 October 20, Beauty and the Beasts: 6.2/10 October 13, Faith, Hope & Trick: 6.2/9 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:47:06 -0600 (CST) From: Kelly White Subject: [none] I hear all this talk about a Buffy newsgroup that is getting alot of posts, could you tell me what the name of it is? Kelly J. White SIUE Computer Support and Service http://www.siue.edu/~kwhite "Bottom line is even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready for the big moments. No one asks for their life to change, not really, but it does. So what are we helpless? Puppets? No, the big moments are going to come, you can't help that, it's what you do afterwards that counts. Thats when you find out who you are, you'll see what I mean."-Whisler - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:54:02 EST From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Love on BtVS Ok... For all of you that are confused or upset or just don't know what to make of Homecoming and all the clear evident signals it gave us about what is going to happen between Xander and Cordelia, Xander and Willow, Buffy and Scott, Buffy and Angel, Oz and Willow, etc...let me make it perfectly clear. XANDER and WILLOW These two were destined since childhood to link up. Did you see the way they were kissing? That wasn't anykind of innocent kiss, they were really working it. That kiss said it all! These two are going to be locking lips, tongues, mouths and whatever in the future...frequently. So, Xander and Willow have definitely taken that first step to acknowleding that they should be together and they will be at some time in the near future. BUFFY and ANGEL The rather cruel way Buffy spoke to Angel is just a teaser. Anyone that can't see it's the writers' way of playing with your mind, needs to take a refresher course in TV 101: How Good TV Writers Make You Dance To Their Tune. Buffy is obviously still shaky about what she went through. She doesn't want to be hurt again by losing Angel so she's afraid to get involved with him again. Evidently, there is an uncanny similarity between moths drawn to fires and pretty young Slayers drawn to 200+ year old demonically handsome vampires. What better way to make this next ride all the more rough and wild than to put Buffy through the ringer again -- resisting Angel, then giving in, then mad passionate love with him, then losing him again in what will prove to undoubtedly be a major heart-wrenching season finale equal to if not surpassing Becoming. This season finale will have Angel and Buffy separating, him leaving for Los Angeles hooking all of you fans to tune into the Angel series, and she will be left in Sunnydale, probably enrolling in college. Like I said before, I can imagine Buffy having lots of other boys who are friends but none so serious and intense as her relationship with Angel. Buffy and Angel are too firmly established as a couple in fans minds, even though their coupling may be as tragic as Romeo and Juliet. And, I believe there will be some major reunion between them in the future. Don't think so? Better enroll in TV 101 now then. (: OZ, CORDELIA, SCOTT, FAITH Ok, everything else pretty much falls into place once you have established what will be the solid relationships of Angel & Buffy and Willow & Xander. I mean, that only leaves Cordelia, Oz, Scott and Faith right? Well, it's already been mentioned Cordy is leaving along with Angel so that puts her out of the relationship picture with Xander. As for Oz, that is a puzzle. I'm thinking he might get involved with Faith if Faith is to become a permanent member of the Scooby Gang. And, poor Scott was just a momentary distraction all along. There is R.I.P. written all over him. I see some horrible death in his future, or maybe even worse, he'll join Owen fading into obscurity. I can't see Cordelia being around Angel without becoming involved with him to a greater extent than his Girl Friday. Can you imagine a beautiful babe like Cordelia settling for the position of merely bringing Angel bottles of blood, doing his research for him, fetching little things that will make his life more liveable? No, I would think that there's gonna be some romance between her and Angel. What else could you expect? Pretty girl...hunk of a vampire...there's gonna be some sparks flying or the writers would be wasting a perfect opportunity. Another thing, you all saw the way Cordelia stood up to and faked out that cowboy vamp? They're definitely building up Cordelia's character making her stronger. I think by the time Cordelia makes it to Los Angeles as Angel's assistant she may also have a few more other skills to enable her character to handle the bigger role it will have to take on. I can imagine Cordelia efficiently punching and kicking like Buffy, can any of you? Well, that's the way I see things. funee AKA The Love Doctor ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #553 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)