From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Date: 01 May 2003 12:37:51 -0600 On 30 Apr 2003 at 9:50, Ian wrote: > I must admit that longer-term, the ugly continued fall of the US greenback sure > leads me to believe that this is just another bear-market rally (as opposed to > the beginning of a secular bull), > What are folks up to? What you said above is about how I feel (minus the small caps, don't know those companies). No big earnings coming out on a consistent basis, the economic data that comes out continues to show a weak economy, sometimes even a contracting economy by some measures, so I'm pretty much just waiting for some signs of a real upturn in the economy. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: [CANSLIM] New CANSLIM Evaluator Date: 01 May 2003 16:50:33 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C31001.C852B0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We released a new version of the CANSLIM Evaluator today. The link for list subscribers is unchanged at http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim When Katherine is not investigating the height of the left cup at the Grand Canyon, she passes her time thinking of new ways to occupy my time with more development, which may also explain her releative inactivity on this list. :-) Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com ------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C31001.C852B0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We=20 released a new version of the CANSLIM Evaluator today. The link for list = subscribers is unchanged at http://www.cwhcharts.com/cansli= m
 
When Katherine is not investigating the = height of the=20 left cup at the Grand Canyon, she passes her time thinking of new ways = to occupy=20 my time with more development, which may also explain her releative = inactivity=20 on this list. :-)
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
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------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C31001.C852B0E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New CANSLIM Evaluator Date: 01 May 2003 23:11:40 EDT --part1_a9.3f233ce0.2be33bec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike: Our thanks to you and to Katherine. Charley --part1_a9.3f233ce0.2be33bec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike: Our thanks to you a= nd to Katherine. Charley --part1_a9.3f233ce0.2be33bec_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: [CANSLIM] Opinion on LXK Date: 02 May 2003 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Lexmark appears to have broken out of a CwH base on 4/22 and is right at 5% above the pivot point. 3yr earnings and sales growth appear to be below CANSLIM standards at 3% and 7% according to one site. They have the N in CANSLIM with new products, including the first, under $100, multi-purpose printer. Yahoo reports institutional ownership at 93%. What are some other good sources (preferrably free) to determine this? Any opinions on LXK? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 02 May 2003 09:36:21 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3108E.4A336AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's = risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest = one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its = base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3108E.4A336AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
I was wondering if anyone sees a climax = top=20 occurring on GRMN.  It's risen 13% in the last four days.  It = also=20 recently had the biggest one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it = is well=20 extended from its base.  Any opinions?  Is now a good time to = get=20 out?
 
Thanks!
 
Chris
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Hi Chris,

 

I’m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week.  The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and the previous day’s closing.  For GRMN, I notice that it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 – the gap is visible on the graph.  This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. 

 

Jeffrey Gasta

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN?

 

Hi

I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's risen 13% in the last four days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base.  Any opinions?  Is now a good time to get out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

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Could this explain why you feel the market tester works best with the NASDAQ market than other markets? Thanks. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 AM HI Roger -- You raise some good points. Who did you talk to at csi? Also, do you or csi know of any data services that do report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume? Bill In a message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa writes: Subj: Market Tester question (fr-ws) File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 minute Sent from the Internet Hi Bill, I found out about your market tester from the canslim@lists.xmission.com email list. I have a question about your data source. On your methodology page, you say that the market tester uses msn, and hence csi data, as a data source. However, are you aware that csi data does not calculate volume for indices? For example, both the S&P500 and Dow Jones Industrial indices report the total NYSE volume, not the volume of the indices themselves. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Date: 02 May 2003 22:25:44 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C310F9.C5A19CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, This may shed some additional light on the subject: ==== Ask Bill O'Neil Friday, May 2, 2003 "When checking for distribution days in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, do you use the market volume or the DJIA volume?" To analyze the Dow, IBD uses the NYSE Composite volume rather than the Dow's volume. The idea is that when looking at a market index you want to examine market volume. It's for this same reason that IBD uses NYSE volume to gauge the S&P 500, which is made up mostly of NYSE stocks. The S&P 500 and Dow charts on investors.com also use NYSE volume. ===== --Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:06 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom > > Hi all, > > Fyi, here is email thread with Bill: > > -----Original Message----- > From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:02 AM > To: Roger Tawa > Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) > > I think you could be right -- it might explain why backtesting shows > better results for the NAS. > > In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa > writes: > > > > Subj: RE: Market Tester question (fr-ws) > Date: 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time > From: Roger Tawa > To: WmGraLee@aol.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Yes, I have confirmed this with csi. Here is my email conversation with > them. Could this explain why you feel the market tester works best with > the NASDAQ market than other markets? Thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 AM > To: Roger Tawa > Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) > > > > HI Roger -- > > You raise some good points. Who did you talk to at csi? Also, do you or > csi know of any data services that do report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume? > > Bill > > In a message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa > writes: > > > > > Subj: Market Tester question (fr-ws) > Date: 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time > From: Roger Tawa > To: order@market-tester.com > File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 minute > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi Bill, > > I found out about your market tester from the canslim@lists.xmission.com > email list. I have a question about > your data source. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] market bottom Date: 02 May 2003 23:02:31 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C310FE.E8F2A6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, after reading the email string, I'm not sure what to conclude. Is = the market tester only good for NAS stocks? Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Tawa=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi all, Fyi, here is email thread with Bill: -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:02 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) =20 I think you could be right -- it might explain why backtesting shows = better results for the NAS. In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time, Roger = Tawa writes: Subj: RE: Market Tester question (fr-ws)=20 Date: 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: WmGraLee@aol.com =20 Sent from the Internet=20 Hi Bill, =20 Yes, I have confirmed this with csi. Here is my email conversation = with them. Could this explain why you feel the market tester works best = with the NASDAQ market than other markets? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) =20 HI Roger -- You raise some good points. Who did you talk to at csi? Also, do you = or csi know of any data services that do report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume? = =20 Bill In a message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger = Tawa writes: Subj: Market Tester question (fr-ws)=20 Date: 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: order@market-tester.com =20 File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 minute Sent from the Internet=20 Hi Bill, I found out about your market tester from the = canslim@lists.xmission.com email list. I have a question = about your data source. On your methodology page, you say that the market = tester uses msn, and hence csi data, as a data source. However, are you aware that csi data does not calculate volume for = indices? For example, both the S&P500 and Dow Jones Industrial indices report = the total NYSE volume, not the volume of the indices themselves. I have confirmed this with csi. The NASDAQ composite index however seems to = report the total NASDAQ volume, which is probably ok, but this part I have = not confirmed. What effect do you think this has on your market tester when used with indices besides the NASDAQ composite? This does not seem to be in the spirit of WON's definitions of distribution day or follow through day. Looking forward to your response, thanks. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C310FE.E8F2A6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger, after reading the email string, = I'm not=20 sure what to conclude. Is the market tester only good for NAS=20 stocks?
 
Thanks,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Tawa
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:06 = PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market=20 bottom

Hi all,

Fyi, here is email thread with=20 Bill:

-----Original Message-----
From: WmGraLee@aol.com=20 [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:02 AM
To: = Roger=20 Tawa
Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws)
 
I = think you=20 could be right -- it might explain why backtesting shows = better
results for=20 the NAS.

In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central = Standard Time,=20 Roger Tawa
writes:



Subj: RE: Market Tester question = (fr-ws)=20
Date: 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time
From: Roger = <mailto:rogerta@softimage.com>= ; =20 Tawa
To: WmGraLee@aol.com = <mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com> =
Sent from=20 the Internet



Hi Bill,

 

Yes, I = have=20 confirmed this with csi.  Here is my email conversation=20 with
them.  Could this explain why you feel the market tester = works=20 best with the
NASDAQ market than other markets? =20 Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: WmGraLee@aol.com=20 [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 = AM
To:=20 Roger Tawa
Subject: Re: Market Tester question = (fr-ws)

 =20

HI Roger --

You raise some good points.  Who did = you talk=20 to at csi?  Also, do you or
csi know of any data services that = do=20 report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume?  

Bill

In = a=20 message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger=20 Tawa
writes:




Subj: Market Tester question = (fr-ws)=20
Date: 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: Roger = <mailto:rogerta@videotron.ca>&= nbsp;=20 Tawa
To: order@market-tester.com = <mailto:order@market-tester.com>=20
File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 = minute
Sent=20 from the Internet



Hi Bill,

I found out about = your=20 market tester from the canslim@lists.xmission.com=
<mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.= com> =20 email list.  I have a question about
your data source.  = On your=20 methodology page, you say that the market tester
uses msn, and = hence csi=20 data, as a data source.

However, are you aware that csi data = does not=20 calculate volume for indices?
For example, both the S&P500 and = Dow=20 Jones Industrial indices report the
total NYSE volume, not the = volume of=20 the indices themselves.  I have
confirmed this with csi.  = The=20 NASDAQ composite index however seems to report
the total NASDAQ = volume,=20 which is probably ok, but this part I have = not
confirmed.

What=20 effect do you think this has on your market tester when used = with
indices=20 besides the NASDAQ composite?  This does not seem to be in = the
spirit=20 of WON's definitions of distribution day or follow through = day.

Looking=20 forward to your response,=20 = thanks.

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Roger=20 Tawa
http://tawacentral.net/
[One=20 thing about paradigms: shift happens.]
[When you stop, you're=20 = done.]






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Roger=20 Tawa
http://tawacentral.net/
[One=20 thing about paradigms: shift happens.]
[When you stop, you're=20 done.]

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------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C310FE.E8F2A6E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Date: 03 May 2003 09:54:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_EvbxkvU4Cg+ItJWPakaZcA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Katherine, Thanks for the info. This seems to imply that the market tester is doing the right thing. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Roger, This may shed some additional light on the subject: ==== Ask Bill O'Neil Friday, May 2, 2003 "When checking for distribution days in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, do you use the market volume or the DJIA volume?" To analyze the Dow, IBD uses the NYSE Composite volume rather than the Dow's volume. The idea is that when looking at a market index you want to examine market volume. It's for this same reason that IBD uses NYSE volume to gauge the S&P 500, which is made up mostly of NYSE stocks. The S&P 500 and Dow charts on investors.com also use NYSE volume. ===== --Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:06 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi all, Fyi, here is email thread with Bill: -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:02 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) I think you could be right -- it might explain why backtesting shows better results for the NAS. In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa writes: Subj: RE: Market Tester question (fr-ws) Date: 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: WmGraLee@aol.com Sent from the Internet Hi Bill, Yes, I have confirmed this with csi. Here is my email conversation with them. Could this explain why you feel the market tester works best with the NASDAQ market than other markets? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) HI Roger -- You raise some good points. Who did you talk to at csi? Also, do you or csi know of any data services that do report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume? Bill In a message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa writes: Subj: Market Tester question (fr-ws) Date: 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: order@market-tester.com File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 minute Sent from the Internet Hi Bill, I found out about your market tester from the canslim@lists.xmission.com email list. I have a question about your data source. On your methodology page, you say that the market tester uses msn, and hence csi data, as a data source. However, are you aware that csi data does not calculate volume for indices? For example, both the S&P500 and Dow Jones Industrial indices report the total NYSE volume, not the volume of the indices themselves. I have confirmed this with csi. The NASDAQ composite index however seems to report the total NASDAQ volume, which is probably ok, but this part I have not confirmed. What effect do you think this has on your market tester when used with indices besides the NASDAQ composite? This does not seem to be in the spirit of WON's definitions of distribution day or follow through day. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-canslim@xmission.com (Jeff Salisbury) Subject: [CANSLIM] Accessing the discussion canslim archives... Date: 03 May 2003 08:00:00 -0600 From time to time, CANSLIM members may wish to browse the discussion archives. This posting provides instructions on how to access the archives. Thanks to David Cameron for compiling the essentials of this message. Here are the two ways to access the archives: 1. The best way is to use your web browser. To browse the archives, point your browser to: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/canslim/archive/ 2. (Not as convenient) via email: Send an email to majordomo@xmission.com with the following as the body of your message: "index canslim". Then send a follow up email to request an old email from either the "archive" or "latest" directory. Note that your request must be in the body of your email. For example: "get canslim latest/001" will retrieve file "001" from the "latest" directory. "get canslim archive/v01.n066" will retrieve file "v01.n066" from the "archive" dir. Best Regards, Jeff Salisbury - CANSLIM list owner/admin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Date: 03 May 2003 10:02:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_CpRBuA9uCl+Pf/AeLYzXDQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I just noticed the date on this ask bill o'neil question. Is this yet one more coincidence that something we talk about here makes into investors.com just a few days later... :-) ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Roger, This may shed some additional light on the subject: ==== Ask Bill O'Neil Friday, May 2, 2003 "When checking for distribution days in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, do you use the market volume or the DJIA volume?" To analyze the Dow, IBD uses the NYSE Composite volume rather than the Dow's volume. The idea is that when looking at a market index you want to examine market volume. It's for this same reason that IBD uses NYSE volume to gauge the S&P 500, which is made up mostly of NYSE stocks. The S&P 500 and Dow charts on investors.com also use NYSE volume. ===== --Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:06 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi all, Fyi, here is email thread with Bill: -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:02 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) I think you could be right -- it might explain why backtesting shows better results for the NAS. In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa writes: Subj: RE: Market Tester question (fr-ws) Date: 4/30/2003 9:13:39 AM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: WmGraLee@aol.com Sent from the Internet Hi Bill, Yes, I have confirmed this with csi. Here is my email conversation with them. Could this explain why you feel the market tester works best with the NASDAQ market than other markets? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: WmGraLee@aol.com [mailto:WmGraLee@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 AM To: Roger Tawa Subject: Re: Market Tester question (fr-ws) HI Roger -- You raise some good points. Who did you talk to at csi? Also, do you or csi know of any data services that do report Dow, S&P 500 etc volume? Bill In a message dated 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, Roger Tawa writes: Subj: Market Tester question (fr-ws) Date: 4/29/2003 8:18:26 PM Central Standard Time From: Roger Tawa To: order@market-tester.com File: winmail.dat (3984 bytes) DL Time (26400 bps): <1 minute Sent from the Internet Hi Bill, I found out about your market tester from the canslim@lists.xmission.com email list. I have a question about your data source. On your methodology page, you say that the market tester uses msn, and hence csi data, as a data source. However, are you aware that csi data does not calculate volume for indices? For example, both the S&P500 and Dow Jones Industrial indices report the total NYSE volume, not the volume of the indices themselves. I have confirmed this with csi. The NASDAQ composite index however seems to report the total NASDAQ volume, which is probably ok, but this part I have not confirmed. What effect do you think this has on your market tester when used with indices besides the NASDAQ composite? This does not seem to be in the spirit of WON's definitions of distribution day or follow through day. 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Because the IBD is making this = list=20 available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest = (used for=20 selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly "Canslim = Hunting=20 List" here.
 
Katherine
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3116C.57AE0B70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 03 May 2003 12:44:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C31171.BCAEBA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jeff and Chris, I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points. You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available to the list members: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition of the industry components has been rising steadily. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Chris, I’m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week. The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and the previous day’s closing. For GRMN, I notice that it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr. On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 – the gap is visible on the graph. This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C31171.BCAEBA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff and Chris,
 
I see GRMN as having broken out of = an=20 ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common = occurrence for=20 very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. See my = annotated=20 chart at:
 
http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG
 
GRMN has a lot going for it. We = score it=20 with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible = 11=20 fundamental points.
 
You can see the detail from the = CANSLIM=20 Evaluator we've made available to the list members:
 
http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG
 
GRMN ranks 11th in the industry = for RSRank/%=20 off 52 wk high:
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG
 
GRMN's industry itself has been = rising=20 steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition of = the=20 industry components has been rising steadily.
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG
 
Katherine
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta,=20 Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

Hi=20 Chris,

 

I=92m just = learning,=20 but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week.  = The=20 book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and = the=20 previous day=92s closing.  For GRMN, I notice that it closed at = 39.22 on 29=20 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 =96 the gap is visible = on the=20 graph.  This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing = comments from more experienced folks. 

 

Jeffrey=20 Gasta

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Chris=20 Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 = 12:36=20 PM
To: = CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top = on=20 GRMN?

 

Hi

I was wondering if = anyone sees a=20 climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's risen 13% in the last four=20 days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain since = it's=20 breakout, and it is well extended from its base.  Any = opinions?  Is=20 now a good time to get out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C31171.BCAEBA10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 03 May 2003 11:05:46 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31163.F269A470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Katherine -=20 I greatly appreciate your detailed analysis. I hadn't thought of it as = an ascending base at all, I didn't even know they existed. Thank you = for shedding some light on the situation. I bought in initially at 30 = and am up 45% (my third CANSLIM purchase). Should I consider adding to = my position? I really like the company, I think they've got great = products and are dominating an undersaturated market. Or should I be = happy with my profits and move on to another stock? Thanks Again! Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Jeff and Chris, I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a = climax run. That's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the = beginning of new up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible = technical points and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points. You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available = to the list members: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The = underlying core technical condition of the industry components has been = rising steadily. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Chris, I'm just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in = HTMMS this week. The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days = opening price and the previous day's closing. For GRMN, I notice that = it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr. On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 - the = gap is visible on the graph. This may be a warning sign, but I look = forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. =20 Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's = risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest = one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its = base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31163.F269A470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Katherine -
 
I greatly appreciate your detailed = analysis. =20 I hadn't thought of it as an ascending base at all, I didn't even know = they=20 existed.  Thank you for shedding some light on the situation.  = I=20 bought in initially at 30 and am up 45% (my third CANSLIM = purchase). =20 Should I consider adding to my position?  I really like the = company, I=20 think they've got great products and are dominating an undersaturated=20 market.  Or should I be happy with my profits and move on to = another=20 stock?
 
Thanks Again!
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 = 10:44=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

Hi Jeff and Chris,
 
I see GRMN as having broken out = of an=20 ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common = occurrence=20 for very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. See = my=20 annotated chart at:
 
http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG
 
GRMN has a lot going for it. We = score it=20 with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible = 11=20 fundamental points.
 
You can see the detail from the = CANSLIM=20 Evaluator we've made available to the list members:
 
http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG
 
GRMN ranks 11th in the industry = for=20 RSRank/% off 52 wk high:
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG
 
GRMN's industry itself has been = rising=20 steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition of = the=20 industry components has been rising steadily.
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG
 
Katherine
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta,=20 Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

Hi=20 Chris,

 

I=92m = just learning,=20 but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this = week.  The=20 book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and = the=20 previous day=92s closing.  For GRMN, I notice that it closed at = 39.22 on=20 29 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 =96 the gap is = visible on the=20 graph.  This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to = hearing=20 comments from more experienced folks. 

 

Jeffrey = Gasta

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Chris=20 Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 = 12:36=20 PM
To: = CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top = on=20 GRMN?

 

Hi

I was wondering if = anyone sees a=20 climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's risen 13% in the last four=20 days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain = since it's=20 breakout, and it is well extended from its base.  Any = opinions? =20 Is now a good time to get out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31163.F269A470-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 03 May 2003 13:10:52 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C31175.6C918DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Chris, Thanks for the feedback and congrats on such an excellent purchase. If I remember right, Ed Gjersten brought this stock to the list's attention, so thanks to him as well! I'm not keen on adding to a position after it is extended from a breakout. If you're interested in adding, then you'll want to look for a low volume pullback to support as a less risky entry. There's also the possibility that this is a very strong rally in a bear market, so you'll also want to be watching for signs that the leaders and the market as a whole are starting to breakdown (if that occurs). Keep your eyes peeled for more excellent CANSLIM quality stocks breaking out.... so far there have been a steady supply of them and that may be a better option for you than adding to your GRMN position at this point. All in all it's a matter of preference. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:06 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Katherine - I greatly appreciate your detailed analysis. I hadn't thought of it as an ascending base at all, I didn't even know they existed. Thank you for shedding some light on the situation. I bought in initially at 30 and am up 45% (my third CANSLIM purchase). Should I consider adding to my position? I really like the company, I think they've got great products and are dominating an undersaturated market. Or should I be happy with my profits and move on to another stock? Thanks Again! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Jeff and Chris, I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points. You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available to the list members: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition of the industry components has been rising steadily. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Chris, I’m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week. The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and the previous day’s closing. For GRMN, I notice that it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr. On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 – the gap is visible on the graph. This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C31175.6C918DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
Thanks for the feedback and = congrats on such=20 an excellent purchase. If I remember right, Ed Gjersten brought this = stock to=20 the list's attention, so thanks to him as well!
 
I'm not keen on adding to a = position after=20 it is extended from a breakout. If you're interested in adding, then = you'll want=20 to look for a low volume pullback to support as a less risky entry. = There's also=20 the possibility that this is a very strong rally in a bear market, so = you'll=20 also want to be watching for signs that the leaders and the market as a = whole=20 are starting to breakdown (if that occurs). Keep your eyes peeled for = more=20 excellent CANSLIM quality stocks breaking out.... so far there have been = a=20 steady supply of them and that may be a better option for you than = adding to=20 your GRMN position at this point. All in all it's a matter of=20 preference.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:06 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Climax Top = on=20 GRMN?

Katherine -
 
I greatly appreciate your detailed=20 analysis.  I hadn't thought of it as an ascending base at all, I = didn't=20 even know they existed.  Thank you for shedding some light on the = situation.  I bought in initially at 30 and am up 45% (my third = CANSLIM=20 purchase).  Should I consider adding to my position?  I = really like=20 the company, I think they've got great products and are dominating an=20 undersaturated market.  Or should I be happy with my profits and = move on=20 to another stock?
 
Thanks Again!
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 = 10:44=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

Hi Jeff and = Chris,
 
I see GRMN as having broken = out of an=20 ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common = occurrence=20 for very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. = See my=20 annotated chart at:
 
http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG
 
GRMN has a lot going for it. = We score it=20 with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a = possible 11=20 fundamental points.
 
You can see the detail from = the CANSLIM=20 Evaluator we've made available to the list members:
 
http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG
 
GRMN ranks 11th in the = industry for=20 RSRank/% off 52 wk high:
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG
 
GRMN's industry itself has = been rising=20 steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition = of the=20 industry components has been rising steadily.
 
http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG
 
Katherine
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Gasta,=20 Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Climax Top=20 on GRMN?

Hi=20 Chris,

 

I=92m = just=20 learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS = this=20 week.  The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days = opening=20 price and the previous day=92s closing.  For GRMN, I notice = that it=20 closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about = 40.00 =96 the=20 gap is visible on the graph.  This may be a warning sign, but = I look=20 forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. =20

 

Jeffrey=20 Gasta

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Chris=20 Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 = 12:36=20 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN?

 

Hi

I was = wondering=20 if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's risen = 13% in the=20 last four days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day = price gain=20 since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base.  = Any=20 opinions?  Is now a good time to get = out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C31175.6C918DB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 03 May 2003 21:49:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ajhlE8aRmM+qa9EMOzEZyA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi Katherine, What does =93industry score=94 mean in your new canslim evaluator? I= have read through the methodology page, but I did not find information there. = If this is already explained on your website, please excuse me, slap me on th= e hand, and point me to correct web page. Btw, the new canslim evaluator is very cool. Thanks. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:44 PM Hi Jeff and Chris, I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a= climax run. That's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beg= inning of new up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points. You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made availabl= e to the list members: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. Th= e underlying core technical condition of the industry components has be= en rising steadily. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM Hi Chris, I=92m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in = HTMMS this week. The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days op= ening price and the previous day=92s closing. For GRMN, I notice that it c= losed at 39.22 on 29 Apr. On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 =96 the gap is v= isible on the graph. This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- =46rom: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's = risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest one-day = price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris --Boundary_(ID_ajhlE8aRmM+qa9EMOzEZyA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

Hi Katherine,

 =

What does “industry score” mean in your new canslim evaluator?  I have read through the methodology page, but I di= d not find information there.  If = this is already explained on your website, please excuse me, slap me on the h= and, and point me to correct web page.

 =

Btw, the new canslim evaluator is very cool.

 =

Thanks.

 =

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= font color=3Dnavy>

Roger Tawa

http://tawacentral.net/<= /font>

[One thing about paradigms: shi= ft happens.]

[When you stop, you're done.]

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03= , 2003 1:44 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]= Climax Top on GRMN?

 =

Hi Jeff and Chris,

 

I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a climax run. T= hat's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beginning of new = up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at:

 

http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG

 

GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical p= oints and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points.

 

You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available to the lis= t members:

 

http://= www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG

 

GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high:

 

h= ttp://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG<= /font>

 

GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The under= lying core technical condition of the industry components has been rising steadi= ly.

 

h= ttp://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG<= /font>

 

Katherine

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@li= sts.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 02, = 2003 11:20 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmi= ssion.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]= Climax Top on GRMN?

Hi Chris,

 

I’m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week.  The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days op= ening price and the previous day’s closing.  For GRMN, I notice = that it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 – = the gap is visible on the graph.  This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to= hearing comments from more experienced folks. 

 

Jeffrey Gasta

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, = 2003 12:36 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Cli= max Top on GRMN?

 

Hi

I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's r= isen 13% in the last four days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day= price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base. = ; Any opinions?  Is now a good time to get out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

--Boundary_(ID_ajhlE8aRmM+qa9EMOzEZyA)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Date: 03 May 2003 21:19:14 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C311B9.A6193E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roger, Thanks for the feedback. Click on either the industry name (which displays a list of stocks in the industry) or industry rank (which displays a chart of the industry) from the CANSLIM Evaluator and you will see a "Methodology" button at the top of either of the industry displays. This explains our both the Industry Score and Industry Rank methodology. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:49 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Katherine, What does “industry score” mean in your new canslim evaluator? I have read through the methodology page, but I did not find information there. If this is already explained on your website, please excuse me, slap me on the hand, and point me to correct web page. Btw, the new canslim evaluator is very cool. Thanks. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:44 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Jeff and Chris, I see GRMN as having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a climax run. That's a very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beginning of new up-legs in a market. See my annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG GRMN has a lot going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points and 9.4 out of a possible 11 fundamental points. You can see the detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available to the list members: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG GRMN ranks 11th in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG GRMN's industry itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The underlying core technical condition of the industry components has been rising steadily. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi Chris, I’m just learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this week. The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days opening price and the previous day’s closing. For GRMN, I notice that it closed at 39.22 on 29 Apr. On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 – the gap is visible on the graph. This may be a warning sign, but I look forward to hearing comments from more experienced folks. Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:36 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top on GRMN? Hi I was wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN. It's risen 13% in the last four days. It also recently had the biggest one-day price gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base. Any opinions? Is now a good time to get out? Thanks! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C311B9.A6193E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roger,
 
Thanks for the feedback. Click on = either the=20 industry name (which displays a list of stocks in the = industry) or=20 industry rank (which displays a chart of the industry) from the = CANSLIM=20 Evaluator and you will see a "Methodology" button at the top of either = of the=20 industry displays. This explains our both the Industry Score and = Industry Rank=20 methodology.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger=20 Tawa
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:49 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax Top = on=20 GRMN?

Hi=20 Katherine,

 

What=20 does =93industry score=94 mean in your new canslim evaluator?  I have read through the = methodology=20 page, but I did not find information there.  If this is already explained = on your=20 website, please excuse me, slap me on the hand, and point me to = correct web=20 page.

 

Btw,=20 the new canslim evaluator is very = cool.

 

Thanks.

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

Roger Tawa

http://tawacentral.net/

[One thing about paradigms: = shift=20 happens.]

[When you stop, you're=20 done.]

<= SPAN=20 class=3DEmailStyle19> 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 = 1:44=20 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

 

Hi Jeff and=20 Chris,

 

I = see GRMN as=20 having broken out of an ascending base last week, not a climax run. = That's a=20 very common occurrence for very strong stock at the beginning of new = up-legs=20 in a market. See my annotated chart at:

 

http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/GRMN050203.JPG

 

GRMN has a lot=20 going for it. We score it with 6.7 out of 11 possible technical points = and 9.4=20 out of a possible 11 fundamental points.

 

You can see the=20 detail from the CANSLIM Evaluator we've made available to the list=20 members:

 

http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMN-CE050203.JPG

 

GRMN ranks 11th=20 in the industry for RSRank/% off 52 wk high:

 

http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusComp050203.JPG

 

GRMN's industry=20 itself has been rising steadily through the ranks. The underlying core = technical condition of the industry components has been rising=20 steadily.

 

http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/GRMNIndusRank050203.JPG

 

Katherine

 

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Gasta, Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 = 11:20=20 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Climax = Top on=20 GRMN?

Hi=20 Chris,

 

I=92m just=20 learning, but have been reading the chapter on selling in HTMMS this=20 week.  The book mentions watching out for gaps between a days = opening=20 price and the previous day=92s closing.  For GRMN, I notice that = it closed=20 at 39.22 on 29 Apr.  On 30 Apr it opened at about 40.00 =96 the = gap is=20 visible on the graph.  This may be a warning sign, but I look = forward to=20 hearing comments from more experienced folks.  =

 

Jeffrey=20 Gasta

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Chris=20 Jones [mailto:SwingKid104@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 = 12:36=20 PM
To: = CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Climax Top = on=20 GRMN?

 

Hi

I was=20 wondering if anyone sees a climax top occurring on GRMN.  It's = risen 13%=20 in the last four days.  It also recently had the biggest one-day = price=20 gain since it's breakout, and it is well extended from its base.  = Any=20 opinions?  Is now a good time to get out?

 

Thanks!

 

Chris

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Our latest Weekend = Market=20 Analysis is at
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------=_NextPart_000_02EB_01C311C2.177E0BD0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Date: 03 May 2003 11:11:27 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C31164.BE122D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the link Katherine! I subscribe to IBD, but wasn't aware = they had the list online as an Excel spreadsheet. Though I am a little = dissapointed you're going to discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I = greatly appreciate all the work you've done in the past. Does anyone = know if IBD100 selects generally CANSLIM stocks? IE few shares = outstanding, leaders in the market, new products? Does it take any of = this into account? Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: Canslim@Lists.Xmission.Com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Who knew? The IBD enters the 21st century by offering up a spreadsheet = version of the IBD100 published each week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, = etc. *intact*. If you have an IBD subscription, access it from: http://www.investors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp Because the IBD is making this list available weekly (super!) and = because I'm no longer using Vectorvest (used for selection criteria), = I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly "Canslim Hunting List" here. Katherine ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C31164.BE122D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the link Katherine!  I = subscribe to=20 IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an Excel = spreadsheet. =20 Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to discontinue the = Canslim=20 Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the work you've done in the = past. =20 Does anyone know if IBD100 selects generally CANSLIM stocks?  IE = few shares=20 outstanding, leaders in the market, new products?  Does it take any = of this=20 into account?
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD100

Who knew? The IBD enters the = 21st century=20 by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 published each week = in the=20 paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an IBD=20 subscription, access it from:
 
http://www= investors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp
 
Because the IBD is making this = list=20 available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest = (used for=20 selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly = "Canslim=20 Hunting List" here.
 
Katherine
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C31164.BE122D90-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Date: 05 May 2003 08:53:12 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C312E3.C2785CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris, The IBD100 is computer generated and so is selected on objectively measureable CANSLIM characteristics such as RS, EPS, SMR. You still have to dig in and (1) perform due diligence to assess more subjective characteristics such as new products, innovative products, market leadership, look for business or accounting red flags, etc., (2) review *each* of the 100 charts to determine if the stock is setting up (stocks on this list have the highest RS/EPS, etc; that means that a good portion of the list may have already broken out and would be extended from a base), (3) consider industry backdrop (that is, consider the action of other stocks in the industry, the action of direct competitors and the trend of the industry over time), (4) consider market backdrop, (5) if the stock is setting up, determine a buy point (pivot and required volume on breakout), (6) and choose a stock to pursue for purchase. In other words, it's a nice starting point, but you have a lot more manual work to do! Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:11 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Thanks for the link Katherine! I subscribe to IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an Excel spreadsheet. Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the work you've done in the past. Does anyone know if IBD100 selects generally CANSLIM stocks? IE few shares outstanding, leaders in the market, new products? Does it take any of this into account? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: Canslim@Lists.Xmission.Com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Who knew? The IBD enters the 21st century by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 published each week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an IBD subscription, access it from: http://wwwinvestors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp Because the IBD is making this list available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest (used for selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly "Canslim Hunting List" here. Katherine ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C312E3.C2785CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
The IBD100 is computer generated = and so=20 is selected on objectively measureable CANSLIM characteristics such = as RS,=20 EPS, SMR. You still have to dig in and
 
(1) perform due diligence to = assess more=20 subjective characteristics such as new products, innovative products, = market=20 leadership, look for business or accounting red flags, = etc.,
(2) review *each* of the 100 = charts to=20 determine if the stock is setting up (stocks on this list have the = highest=20 RS/EPS, etc; that means that a good portion of the list may have already = broken=20 out and would be extended from a base),
(3) consider industry backdrop = (that is,=20 consider the action of other stocks in the industry, the action of = direct=20 competitors and the trend of the industry over time),
(4) consider market backdrop, =
(5) if=20 the stock is setting up, determine a buy point (pivot and required = volume on=20 breakout),
(6) and choose a stock to = pursue for=20 purchase.
 
In other words, it's a nice = starting point,=20 but you have a lot more manual work to do!
 
Katherine
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:11 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 IBD100

Thanks for the link Katherine!  = I subscribe=20 to IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an Excel=20 spreadsheet.  Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to=20 discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the = work you've=20 done in the past.  Does anyone know if IBD100 selects generally = CANSLIM=20 stocks?  IE few shares outstanding, leaders in the market, new=20 products?  Does it take any of this into account?
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = IBD100

Who knew? The IBD enters the = 21st=20 century by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 published = each=20 week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an = IBD=20 subscription, access it from:
 
http://www= investors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp
 
Because the IBD is making this = list=20 available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest = (used=20 for selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly = "Canslim=20 Hunting List" here.
 
Katherine
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C312E3.C2785CD0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Worden" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 05 May 2003 06:58:44 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C312D3.C5025650 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C312D3.C5025650" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C312D3.C5025650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have been away. Is there going to be a Worley’s Weekend Weeview in the future? Thanks Tom for the past ones. Hope to see some LLUR’s in the future. Larry -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:11 PM ECONOMICS In a forewarning of what was to come later in the week, the Chicago NAPM Index contracted sharply in March to 48.4 from 54.9. Expectations were for a drop to 50.7. On the National level, ISM reports that manufacturing activity fell to 46.2 from 50.5, first time back into contraction in five months. Expected was 48.6. Spending on new construction dropped 0.2% in February, but beat expectations of a 0.7% drop. Residential construction climbed to a new record, however. February's manufacturing orders fell 1.5%, expected was a 0.6% decline. Durable orders were down 1.6%. Inventories are starting to inch up, up 0.4% for the month. ISM's March service index also declined to 47.9 from 53.9, lowest since the 9/11 attacks, and well under expectations of 52.3. New jobless claims popped up to 445K last week, expected was only 410K. Last time it was this high was mid April 2002. The economy may have recovered in the past year, but if so it's doing it without creating jobs. The 4 week average rose in tandem to 426,250 from 423,750, and continuing claims grew another 110K to 3.61 million. As if revising last month's shocking loss of 308K jobs even higher to 357K wasn't bad enough, another 108K jobs were lost in March. Expected was only a loss of 27K jobs, and without the huge upward revision for February. The headline number of 5.8% unemployment remained unchanged, but that merely reflects the mass exodus of people from the labor pool after exhausting benefits, and giving up even trying to find a job. We now have the longest stretch of negative reports on private payrolls (21 months) since the 1944-46 period (wow, that's even older than I am, and I am OLD!!). The biggest loss of jobs came from the service sector, maybe because there are so few manufacturing jobs left?? _____ WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or opinions of my employer. I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest, whether real money or virtual reality (VR). The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend continued to grow, although not as much as I was expecting. ACL - handle forming AET - handle forming on a 9 month cup AMGN - LLUR DF - LLUR DNEX - B7 ERES - LLUR STN - secondary base? Happy hunting, God Bless America Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C312D3.C5025650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

         I have been away. Is there going to be a Worley’s Weekend = Weeview in the future? Thanks Tom for the past ones. Hope to see some LLUR’s in = the future.

           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;         Larry

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Sunday, April 06, = 2003 7:11 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Worley's Weekend Weeview

 

ECONOMICS<= /p>

In a forewarning of what was to come later in the week, the Chicago NAPM Index contracted sharply in March to 48.4 from 54.9.  Expectations were for a drop to 50.7. On the National level, ISM reports = that manufacturing activity fell to 46.2 from 50.5, first time back into = contraction in five months. Expected was 48.6. <= /p>

 <= /p>

Spending on new construction dropped 0.2% in February, but beat expectations of a = 0.7% drop. Residential construction climbed to a new record, = however.<= /p>

 <= /p>

February's manufacturing orders fell 1.5%, expected was a 0.6% decline. Durable = orders were down 1.6%. Inventories are starting to inch up, up 0.4% for the = month.<= /p>

 <= /p>

ISM's March service index also declined to 47.9 from 53.9, lowest since the = 9/11 attacks, and well under expectations of 52.3.<= /p>

 <= /p>

New jobless claims popped up to 445K last week, expected was only 410K. Last = time it was this high was mid April 2002. The economy may have recovered in = the past year, but if so it's doing it without creating jobs. The 4 week average = rose in tandem to 426,250 from 423,750, and continuing claims grew another 110K = to 3.61 million.

 <= /p>

As if revising last month's shocking loss of 308K jobs even higher to 357K = wasn't bad enough, another 108K jobs were lost in March. Expected was only a loss = of 27K jobs, and without the huge upward revision for February. The headline = number of 5.8% unemployment remained unchanged, but that merely reflects the mass = exodus of people from the labor pool after exhausting benefits, and giving up = even trying to find a job. We now have the longest stretch of negative = reports on private payrolls (21 months) since the 1944-46 period (wow, that's even = older than I am, and I am OLD!!). The biggest loss of jobs came from the = service sector, maybe because there are so few manufacturing jobs left?? =

WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES <= /p>

This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It is a = part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's = "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with = constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING= and learning from (and of course doing your own = due diligence). I am employed in Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views = or opinions of my employer.<= /p>

 <= /p>

I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, and = try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout scenario. I = look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, focusing on = ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all industry groups and = prices, even those I will not consider for my personal investing. I no = longer will actively consider earnings forecast for this year and next due the confusing = data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is = your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM = patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases (shown as Bx = where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR (Lower Left = Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM pattern. Rarely are any = of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due size, price or = industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a current personal = financial interest, whether real money or virtual reality (VR).<= /p>

 <= /p>

The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend continued to grow, = although not as much as I was expecting.<= /p>

 <= /p>

ACL - handle forming

AET - handle forming on a 9 month cup<= /p>

AMGN - LLUR

DF - LLUR

DNEX - B7<= /p>

ERES - LLUR

STN - secondary base?

 <= /p>

Happy hunting, God Bless America<= /p>

 <= /p>

Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley<= /p>

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Richards" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Date: 05 May 2003 09:22:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C312E7.D9E73720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You said it well! -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:53 AM Hi Chris, The IBD100 is computer generated and so is selected on objectively measureable CANSLIM characteristics such as RS, EPS, SMR. You still have to dig in and (1) perform due diligence to assess more subjective characteristics such as new products, innovative products, market leadership, look for business or accounting red flags, etc., (2) review *each* of the 100 charts to determine if the stock is setting up (stocks on this list have the highest RS/EPS, etc; that means that a good portion of the list may have already broken out and would be extended from a base), (3) consider industry backdrop (that is, consider the action of other stocks in the industry, the action of direct competitors and the trend of the industry over time), (4) consider market backdrop, (5) if the stock is setting up, determine a buy point (pivot and required volume on breakout), (6) and choose a stock to pursue for purchase. In other words, it's a nice starting point, but you have a lot more manual work to do! Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:11 PM Thanks for the link Katherine! I subscribe to IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an Excel spreadsheet. Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the work you've done in the past. Does anyone know if IBD100 selects generally CANSLIM stocks? IE few shares outstanding, leaders in the market, new products? Does it take any of this into account? Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:05 AM Who knew? The IBD enters the 21st century by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 published each week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an IBD subscription, access it from: http://wwwinvestors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp Because the IBD is making this list available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest (used for selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly "Canslim Hunting List" here. Katherine ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C312E7.D9E73720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 said it well!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 8:53=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 IBD100

Hi Chris,
 
The IBD100 is computer generated = and so=20 is selected on objectively measureable CANSLIM characteristics = such as=20 RS, EPS, SMR. You still have to dig in and
 
(1) perform due diligence to = assess more=20 subjective characteristics such as new products, innovative products, = market=20 leadership, look for business or accounting red flags, = etc.,
(2) review *each* of the 100 = charts to=20 determine if the stock is setting up (stocks on this list have the = highest=20 RS/EPS, etc; that means that a good portion of the list may have = already=20 broken out and would be extended from a base),
(3) consider industry backdrop = (that is,=20 consider the action of other stocks in the industry, the action of = direct=20 competitors and the trend of the industry over = time),
(4) consider market backdrop,=20
(5)=20 if the stock is setting up, determine a buy point (pivot and required = volume=20 on breakout),
(6) and choose a stock to = pursue for=20 purchase.
 
In other words, it's a nice = starting=20 point, but you have a lot more manual work to do!
 
Katherine
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:11 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 IBD100

Thanks for the link = Katherine!  I=20 subscribe to IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an = Excel=20 spreadsheet.  Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to = discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the = work=20 you've done in the past.  Does anyone know if IBD100 selects = generally=20 CANSLIM stocks?  IE few shares outstanding, leaders in the = market, new=20 products?  Does it take any of this into account?
 
Chris
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: Canslim@Lists.Xmission.Com= =20
Sent: Saturday, May 03, = 2003 10:05=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = IBD100

Who knew? The IBD enters the = 21st=20 century by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 = published each=20 week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an = IBD=20 subscription, access it from:
 
http://www= investors.com/member/ibd100/viewibd100.asp
 
Because the IBD is making = this list=20 available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using = Vectorvest (used=20 for selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a = monthly=20 "Canslim Hunting List" here.
 
Katherine
------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C312E7.D9E73720-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Yoder Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Date: 05 May 2003 10:31:57 -0700 Katherine,

That is a fantastic check-list. Thank you,                Dick

Katherine Malm wrote:
Hi Chris,
 
The IBD100 is computer generated and so is selected on objectively measureable CANSLIM characteristics such as RS, EPS, SMR. You still have to dig in and
 
(1) perform due diligence to assess more subjective characteristics such as new products, innovative products, market leadership, look for business or accounting red flags, etc.,
(2) review *each* of the 100 charts to determine if the stock is setting up (stocks on this list have the highest RS/EPS, etc; that means that a good portion of the list may have already broken out and would be extended from a base),
(3) consider industry backdrop (that is, consider the action of other stocks in the industry, the action of direct competitors and the trend of the industry over time),
(4) consider market backdrop,
(5) if the stock is setting up, determine a buy point (pivot and required volume on breakout),
(6) and choose a stock to pursue for purchase.
 
In other words, it's a nice starting point, but you have a lot more manual work to do!
 
Katherine
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:11 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD100

Thanks for the link Katherine!  I subscribe to IBD, but wasn't aware they had the list online as an Excel spreadsheet.  Though I am a little dissapointed you're going to discontinue the Canslim Hunting List, I greatly appreciate all the work you've done in the past.  Does anyone know if IBD100 selects generally CANSLIM stocks?  IE few shares outstanding, leaders in the market, new products?  Does it take any of this into account?
 
Chris
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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD100

Who knew? The IBD enters the 21st century by offering up a spreadsheet version of the IBD100 published each week in the paper with RS/EPS, ROE, etc. *intact*. If you have an IBD subscription, access it from:
 
 
Because the IBD is making this list available weekly (super!) and because I'm no longer using Vectorvest (used for selection criteria), I'm going to discontinue posting a monthly "Canslim Hunting List" here.
 
Katherine

- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD100 Date: 05 May 2003 14:15:52 EDT Does the "IBD CURSE" affect IBD-100 stocks as well as stocks that breakout from legitimate bases? Or are we talking about the same thing? DAVE - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 05 May 2003 14:44:40 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C31314.DC13BAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop = in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it = had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only = placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't = change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my = loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above = it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD = says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they = can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong = stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA = hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I = hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad = investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell = at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are = appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C31314.DC13BAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few = weeks back=20 and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I checked today = after the=20 market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51.  = I'm a=20 little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided = this,=20 however I can't change that now.  Normally I would sell right at = the market=20 since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 = above=20 it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope institutions will step = in? =20 IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which = they can=20 add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong = stocks find=20 "support" at this line."  However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't = been too=20 much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past.  I hate to wait = and=20 hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but = the 50=20 DMA adds an interesting twist.  Should I sell at the market, or = wait to see=20 if it bounces back?  Opinions are appreciated!
 
Thanks so much!
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C31314.DC13BAA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 05 May 2003 16:49:39 -0500 Chris, For what it is worth, I would set a hard stop a little below the 50 dMA to make sure you don't take an even bigger loss, then you might want to see if it bounces back. JMHO Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Chris Jones" > cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/05/2003 04:44 PM Please respond to canslim I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 05 May 2003 17:49:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3132E.B8435670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several times I've been bitten by strictly following the 7-8% rule after = the stock came bounding back. Other times I've let it ride and watched = the stock continue a downward spiral. My advice, for what little it's = worth, is to follow those strict rules - called discipline. Since = you're already minus 12, maybe see how it starts out tomorrow and then = either pull the trigger or hope for a rebound.??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Jones=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental = stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I = saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I = only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I = can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since = my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above = it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD = says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they = can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong = stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA = hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I = hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad = investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell = at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are = appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3132E.B8435670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several times I've been bitten by = strictly=20 following the 7-8% rule after the stock came bounding back.  Other = times=20 I've let it ride and watched the stock continue a downward spiral.  = My=20 advice, for what little it's worth, is to follow those strict rules - = called=20 discipline.  Since you're already minus 12, maybe see how it starts = out=20 tomorrow and then either pull the trigger or hope for a = rebound.???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:44 = PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How much = support is=20 the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a = few weeks back=20 and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I checked today = after=20 the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at = $25.51.  I'm=20 a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have = avoided this,=20 however I can't change that now.  Normally I would sell right at = the=20 market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits = about $.25=20 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope institutions will = step=20 in?  IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level = at which=20 they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many = strong=20 stocks find "support" at this line."  However, it seems that the = 50 DMA=20 hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the = past.  I=20 hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad=20 investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist.  Should I = sell at=20 the market, or wait to see if it bounces back?  Opinions are=20 appreciated!
 
Thanks so much!
 
Chris
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Hello Chris. =

 

If you are following IBD my advice = is to sell. Sell now. Sell tonight.

 

I have been struggling with this = IBD rule more than any other and am now sitting on two stocks that I should have sold = but, like you, reasoned myself into holding.

 

At this point they are down so much = (45% & 52%) that it does not much matter and I’m going to wait for = them to come back or drop into oblivion (they are fairly small investments as = I’m in the process of learning IBD).

 

It has been a painful lesson that I = have had to learn too many times.

 

But when IBD says to sell, they = also so that you can buy back in if it goes up again. =

 

So, in case you can’t tell, = my advice is to SELL NOW.

 

Of course I’m sitting on a 45 = & 52% loss so what do I know.

 

Mark

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 5:45 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How = much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

 

I have a dilemma - I bought = JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I = checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51.  I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which = could have avoided this, however I can't change that now.  Normally I = would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock = now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope = institutions will step in?  IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day = line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. = That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this = line."  However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a = support/resistance for JOSB in the past.  I hate to wait and hope, since that's = exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an = interesting twist.  Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back?  Opinions are appreciated!

 

Thanks so = much!

 

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C31330.1D5E67B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 05 May 2003 15:17:18 -0700 (PDT) In my opinion, if you decided beforehand to sell at $27 and the price is below that, you shouldn't be looking for excuses to stay longer. Your plan was to sell when it drop below $27, it dropped below $27, so sell. If you are not disciplined and stick to your plans, you will get killed. If you do not do that you will always find excuses to stay longer in a position and before you know, you are down 50% or more, hoping for a 100% rebound to break even. - Fanus --- Chris Jones wrote: > I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back > and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I > checked today after the market closed, I saw it had > dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little > mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could > have avoided this, however I can't change that now. > Normally I would sell right at the market since my > loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits > about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and > hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many > institutions view the 50-day line as a level at > which they can add to their positions at a > reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find > "support" at this line." However, it seems that the > 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance > for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, > since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors > do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. > Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it > bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! > > Thanks so much! > > Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: [CANSLIM] leader vs laggard Date: 05 May 2003 20:00:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nbL7yHe3PGaOCc7B3xV8OA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, If a stock is ranked 15th in its industry, but the industry contains 80 stocks, is it considered a leader or a laggard? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rchodes" Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule Date: 05 May 2003 20:00:34 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C31340.FD343E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question about the rule not to buy a stock that has moved up in = price more than 5% above the pivot point. This rule is easy to follow = if the stock price is above $15. I know that some of you, such as Tom, = follow small caps that may have a price below $10, perhaps in the $5 = range. Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's pretty hard to jump onto that = sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot point. One can always cheat and buy before the anticipated breakout. Or you = can expand the 5% rule to maybe 15% or so. To those of you who troll in = these waters, what do you? Thanks. 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I have a question about the rule not to = buy a stock=20 that has moved up in price more than 5% above the pivot point.  = This rule=20 is easy to follow if the stock price is above $15.  I know that = some of=20 you, such as Tom, follow small caps that may have a price below $10, = perhaps in=20 the $5 range.  Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's pretty hard to jump = onto that=20 sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot point.
 
One can always cheat and buy before the = anticipated=20 breakout.  Or you can expand the 5% rule to maybe 15% or so.  = To those=20 of you who troll in these waters, what do you?  = Thanks.
 
Bob Hodes
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C31340.FD343E40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 06 May 2003 09:56:30 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C313B5.C4BC29E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C313B5.C4BC29E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
I see several folks have already = commented=20 on the discipline of selling, so thought I'd focus on a slightly = different=20 angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule = is to=20 buy right."
 
The biggest problem I see with = your JOSB=20 situation is that by buying late, you took away all your wiggle room. = JOSB set=20 up with a pivot established 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle = which didn't=20 drift down, indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy = breakout=20 on 4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). = With those=20 credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at = minimum, a=20 pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure = enough,=20 that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was = already 13%=20 extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a = pullback=20 without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop = at $27=20 was above the logical support area.  See an annotated chart=20 at:
 
http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG
 
These kinds of pullbacks are = fairly common.=20 BSTE did the same thing recently and if purchased correctly, one = could've sat=20 out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at = the=20 reward:
 
http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA?=20 (JOSB)

I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a = few weeks back=20 and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I checked today = after=20 the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at = $25.51.  I'm=20 a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have = avoided this,=20 however I can't change that now.  Normally I would sell right at = the=20 market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits = about $.25=20 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope institutions will = step=20 in?  IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level = at which=20 they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many = strong=20 stocks find "support" at this line."  However, it seems that the = 50 DMA=20 hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the = past.  I=20 hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad=20 investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist.  Should I = sell at=20 the market, or wait to see if it bounces back?  Opinions are=20 appreciated!
 
Thanks so much!
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C313B5.C4BC29E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 06 May 2003 10:28:11 -0500 Katherine, Great answer, as usual. One question about BSTE. What about it's chart kept it from being identified as a cwh with your algorithms? The chart did not slow left lip, low point, pivot... Just curious Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) ission.com 05/06/2003 09:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 06 May 2003 12:03:26 -0500 Hi Mike, Thanks! I have a couple of different options for displaying charts, but wanted to be sure to show the action since the breakout, so chose to use the more general "Katherine's" chart instead of the chart from the watchlist itself. BSTE was identified by our algorithm and appeared on our watchlist 3/25, with a breakout alert on 3/26. Here it is as it appeared 3/25: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE032503.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:28 AM Katherine, Great answer, as usual. One question about BSTE. What about it's chart kept it from being identified as a cwh with your algorithms? The chart did not slow left lip, low point, pivot... Just curious Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) ission.com 05/06/2003 09:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bistricer, Avi" Subject: [CANSLIM] IVX Date: 06 May 2003 13:09:57 -0400 Any comment on IVX action today?=20 =09 Thanks =09 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 06 May 2003 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, I'll second that! Thank you for the GREAT analytical answer. tomas --- michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: > > Katherine, > > Great answer, as usual. One question about BSTE. > What about it's chart > kept it from being identified as a cwh with your > algorithms? The chart did > not slow left lip, low point, pivot... > > Just curious > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > "Katherine Malm" > > > To: > canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: cc: > > > owner-canslim@lists.xm > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the > 50 DMA? (JOSB) > ission.com > > > > > > > > > 05/06/2003 09:56 AM > > > Please respond to > > > canslim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > I see several folks have already commented on the > discipline of selling, so > thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. > That is, something I call > "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy > right." > > The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation > is that by buying late, > you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with > a pivot established > 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't > drift down, indicating > a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy > breakout on 4/2 (though it > did show some follow through action the next day). > With those credentials, > buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, > at minimum, a pullback > at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. > Sure enough, that's > what happened. As your purchase was late, when the > stock was already 13% > extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle > room to survive a > pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice > that your original mental > stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See > an annotated chart at: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG > > These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did > the same thing > recently and if purchased correctly, one could've > sat out the minor > correction without triggering sell rules. Take a > look at the reward: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG > > Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Chris Jones > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 > DMA? (JOSB) > > I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks > back and put a mental > stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today > after the market closed, I > saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. > I'm a little mad that > I only placed a mental stop, which could have > avoided this, however I > can't change that now. Normally I would sell > right at the market > since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the > stock now sits about > $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and > hope institutions will > step in? IBD says "many institutions view the > 50-day line as a level > at which they can add to their positions at a > reasonable price. That's > why many strong stocks find "support" at this > line." However, it > seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a > support/resistance for > JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, > since that's exactly what > O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA > adds an interesting > twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to > see if it bounces > back? Opinions are appreciated! > > Thanks so much! > > Chris > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Date: 06 May 2003 22:12:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_48CqlJh6tPwUj/2fdSy6+Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi Katherine, I have a question with regard to your =93poor=94 handle comment. Acc= ording to 24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a s= hake out. In this case, the shake out did happen on the two days after th= e pivot. Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry = up near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight ar= eas, which this one also has. Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of Microsoft shown in the example on page 46. Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and s= aid =93looks good=94 by the time april 1st came around. Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the = entire duration of handle before it breaks out? Would you consider this a b= etter indication of a good handle than the other things? Thanks. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:57 AM Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selli= ng, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I= call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying = late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot establis= hed 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indi= cating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (tho= ugh it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credent= ials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pul= lback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, tha= t's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already = 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive = a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original m= ental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated cha= rt at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing r= ecently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental st= op in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it = had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only pl= aced a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change th= at now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropp= ed to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I h= ang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view= the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at thi= s line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, si= nce that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds= an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris --Boundary_(ID_48CqlJh6tPwUj/2fdSy6+Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

Hi Katherine,

 

I have a question with regard to your “poor” handle comment.  According to 24 lessons, page 47, a handle should = drift down on lows *OR* have a sh= ake out.  In this case, the= shake out did happen on the two days after the pivot.<= /span>

 

Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry up near its l= ows, which this one seems to do, *OR<= /b>* will have several tight areas, which this one also has.<= /font>

 

Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of Microsoft= shown in the example on page 46.

 

Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and said “= looks good” by the time april 1st came around.

 

Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the entire = duration of handle before it breaks out?&nbs= p; Would you consider this a better indication of a good handle than the other= things?  Thanks.

 =

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= font color=3Dnavy>

Roger Tawa

http://tawacentral.net/<= /font>

[One thing about paradigms: shi= ft happens.]

[When you stop, you're done.]

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 06,= 2003 10:57 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]= How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

 =

Hi Chris,

 

I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought= I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right."

 

The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you to= ok away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $2= 5.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible l= ack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show som= e follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least t= o the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happene= d. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the b= reakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggeri= ng your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logi= cal support area.  See an annotated chart at:

 

http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG

 

These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and = if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction withou= t triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward:

 

http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG

 

Katherine

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 3:45 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How= much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

I have a dilemma - I bought JOS= B a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I ch= ecked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now= at $25.51.  I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, whic= h could have avoided this, however I can't change that now.  Normally I = would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the sto= ck now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope in= stitutions will step in?  IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day = line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price.= That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line."&n= bsp; However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/r= esistance for JOSB in the past.  I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an intere= sting twist.  Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounce= s back?  Opinions are appreciated!

 

Thanks so much!

 

Chris

--Boundary_(ID_48CqlJh6tPwUj/2fdSy6+Q)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)) Date: 06 May 2003 21:58:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3141A.B177A7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roger, An "ideal" handle will drift down on decreasing volume. WON considers this drifting down to be one of the most important factors in a good handle. If there is a shake out day or two on high volume *within* the handle, that's a good thing, especially if the days end in the upper part of their range. (Plenty more handle characteristics--see a more complete list at the end of this email ). That said, it's honestly rare that you get "perfection" in a handle. My comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift down and/or shakeout *within* the handle made it a "poor quality" handle. That generally adds to your risk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less than perfect bases and less than perfect handles. It's all a matter of odds--just part of the decision process when determining whether to take a breakout or not. My overall point on JOSB is that given the lack of drift down in the handle, the risk of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. That's essentially what happened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout increases your odds of getting caught in a pullback. Katherine ...handle info follows: ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:53 PM HANDLES General Requirements: 1. Handles most often begin to form lower than the left side of the base, generally when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the high. 2. The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than the midpoint of the base. 3. The handle should form in the upper half of the base. 4. The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trade may often lull below the 50 day MA. 5. The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handles are failure prone because the upwardly drifting price doesn't shake out the weak holders, leaving the stock vulnerable to a correction. Wedging handles also make pivots harder to spot. WON considers this the most important aspect of a handle formation. 6. The handle should drift lower on light volume. This shows existing holders are content to remain invested. 7. Within the handle, volatility should contract. The distance between price highs and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow. Avoid zigzagging or wide and loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncertainty. 8. In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In Bear markets, they can correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10% is fine as long as it is drifting downward and meets other requirements. 9. The handle must be at least one week in length but can stretch as much as 7-10 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size of the cup. Special Considerations: 1. "High handles" can begin to form at prices higher than the left side of the base. This is neither ideal nor common, but can still be successful as long as the other handle requirements are met. 2. Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as stocks with lengthy bases will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear as a base if looking at a daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are very strong patterns. (The longer the base, the stronger the subsequent move.) Based on a study done by the IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks had 33 week bases on average. Large caps had 66 week bases on average. 3. A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and then begin forming another handle. In this case, consider this to be one long handle. 4. "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but tend to work at the start of a fresh rally, especially if the rally is strong. Look for volume to dry up as the stock comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Stocks breaking out of bases without a handle are most likely industry leaders; lead the market in relative price performance, sales and earnings growth; and have high institutional sponsorship. 5. Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normally they do not do so. [Note: These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' Corners, HTMMIS, the IBD web site and other misc. sources.] --Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Hi Katherine, I have a question with regard to your “poor” handle comment. According to 24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a shake out. In this case, the shake out did happen on the two days after the pivot. Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry up near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight areas, which this one also has. Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of Microsoft shown in the example on page 46. Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and said “looks good” by the time april 1st came around. Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the entire duration of handle before it breaks out? Would you consider this a better indication of a good handle than the other things? Thanks. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:57 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3141A.B177A7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roger,
 
An "ideal" handle will drift down = on=20 decreasing volume. WON considers this drifting down to be one of the = most=20 important factors in a good handle. If there is a shake out day or = two on=20 high volume *within* the handle, that's a good thing, especially if the = days end=20 in the upper part of their range. (Plenty more handle = characteristics--see a=20 more complete list at the end of this email ).
 
That said, it's honestly rare that = you get=20 "perfection" in a handle. My comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift = down=20 and/or shakeout *within* the handle made it a "poor quality" handle. = That=20 generally adds to your risk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less = than=20 perfect bases and less than perfect handles. It's all a matter of = odds--just=20 part of the decision process when determining whether to take = a=20 breakout or not. My overall point on JOSB is that given the lack of = drift down=20 in the handle, the risk of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. = That's=20 essentially what happened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout = increases=20 your odds of getting caught in a pullback.
 
Katherine       = ...handle=20 info follows:
 

----- Original = Message -----

From: Katherine Malm =

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 = 4:53=20 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Handles, A = list of=20 Characteristics

HANDLES

General=20 Requirements:

1.=20 Handles most often begin to form lower than the left side of the base, = generally=20 when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the high.

2.=20 The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than the midpoint of the=20 base.

3.=20 The handle should form in the upper half of the base.

4.=20 The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trade may often lull = below the=20 50 day MA.

5.=20 The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handles are = failure=20 prone because the upwardly drifting price doesn't shake out the weak = holders,=20 leaving the stock vulnerable to a correction. Wedging handles also make = pivots=20 harder to spot. WON considers this the most important aspect of a = handle=20 formation.

6.=20 The handle should drift lower on light volume. This shows existing = holders are=20 content to remain invested.

7.=20 Within the handle, volatility should contract. The distance between = price highs=20 and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow. Avoid zigzagging or = wide and=20 loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncertainty.

8.=20 In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In Bear markets, they = can=20 correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10% is fine as long as = it is=20 drifting downward and meets other requirements.

9.=20 The handle must be at least one week in length but can stretch as much = as 7-10=20 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size of the cup.

 

Special=20 Considerations:

1.=20 "High handles" can begin to form at prices higher than the left side of = the=20 base. This is neither ideal nor common, but can still be successful as = long as=20 the other handle requirements are met.

2.=20 Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as stocks with lengthy = bases=20 will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear as a base if = looking at a=20 daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are very strong = patterns. (The=20 longer the base, the stronger the subsequent move.) Based on a study = done by the=20 IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks had 33 week bases on average. = Large caps=20 had 66 week bases on average.

3.=20 A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and then begin forming = another=20 handle. In this case, consider this to be one long handle.

4.=20 "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but tend to work at the start of = a fresh=20 rally, especially if the rally is strong. Look for volume to dry up as = the stock=20 comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Stocks breaking out of bases without = a=20 handle are most likely industry leaders; lead the market in relative = price=20 performance, sales and earnings growth; and have high institutional=20 sponsorship.

5.=20 Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normally they do not do = so.

 

[Note:=20 These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' Corners, = HTMMIS,=20 the IBD web site and other misc. sources.]

 

--Katherine

 

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger=20 Tawa
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:13 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much = support=20 is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

Hi=20 Katherine,

 

I have=20 a question with regard to your =93poor=94 handle comment.  According to 24 lessons, = page 47, a=20 handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a shake out.  In this case, the shake out = did happen=20 on the two days after the pivot.

 

Furthermore,=20 at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry up near its = lows,=20 which this one seems to do, *OR*=20 will have several tight areas, which this one also=20 has.

 

Finally,=20 the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of Microsoft = shown in=20 the example on page 46.

 

Now,=20 being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and said = =93looks=20 good=94 by the time april 1st came=20 around.

 

Do you=20 feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the entire = duration=20 of handle before it breaks out? =20 Would you consider this a better indication of a good handle = than the=20 other things? =20 Thanks.

 

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Roger Tawa

http://tawacentral.net/

[One thing about paradigms: = shift=20 happens.]

[When you stop, you're=20 done.]

<= SPAN=20 class=3DEmailStyle17> 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:57=20 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much = support=20 is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

 

Hi=20 Chris,

 

I = see several=20 folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought = I'd=20 focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle = room"=20 or "the best selling rule is to buy right."

 

The biggest=20 problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you = took away=20 all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at = $25.51. It=20 put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible = lack of=20 shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show some = follow=20 through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is=20 particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least to = the=20 original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what = happened. As=20 your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from = the=20 breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without=20 triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 = was=20 above the logical support area.  See an annotated chart=20 at:

 

http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG

 

These kinds of=20 pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and if = purchased=20 correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without = triggering sell=20 rules. Take a look at the reward:

 

http://www.cwh= charts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG

 

Katherine

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 = PM
To: = CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How much = support is=20 the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

I have a = dilemma - I=20 bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 = (8%). =20 When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped = $1.88, and=20 is now at $25.51.  I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental = stop,=20 which could have avoided this, however I can't change that now.  = Normally=20 I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, = but the=20 stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on = and hope=20 institutions will step in?  IBD says "many institutions view the = 50-day=20 line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a = reasonable=20 price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this = line." =20 However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a = support/resistance=20 for JOSB in the past.  I hate to wait and hope, since that's = exactly=20 what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an = interesting=20 twist.  Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces = back?  Opinions are appreciated!

 

Thanks so=20 much!

 

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3141A.B177A7A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? Date: 06 May 2003 20:11:49 -0700 Hi Katherine,,,, now with all that info on a handle I have to ask if you are a Virgo and secondly, have you ever considered a book? Amazed Karen At 09:58 PM 5/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> >Hi Roger, > >An "ideal" handle will drift down on decreasing volume. WON considers this >drifting down to be one of the most important factors in a good handle. If >there is a shake out day or two on high volume *within* the handle, that's >a good thing, especially if the days end in the upper part of their range. >(Plenty more handle characteristics--see a more complete list at the end >of this email ). > >That said, it's honestly rare that you get "perfection" in a handle. My >comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift down and/or shakeout *within* >the handle made it a "poor quality" handle. That generally adds to your >risk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less than perfect bases and less >than perfect handles. It's all a matter of odds--just part of the decision >process when determining whether to take a breakout or not. My overall >point on JOSB is that given the lack of drift down in the handle, the risk >of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. That's essentially what >happened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout increases your odds of >getting caught in a pullback. > >Katherine ...handle info follows: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Katherine Malm > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:53 PM > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Handles, A list of Characteristics > >HANDLES > >General Requirements: > >1. Handles most often begin to form lower than the left side of the base, >generally when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the high. > >2. The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than the midpoint of the >base. > >3. The handle should form in the upper half of the base. > >4. The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trade may often lull >below the 50 day MA. > >5. The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handles are >failure prone because the upwardly drifting price doesn't shake out the >weak holders, leaving the stock vulnerable to a correction. Wedging >handles also make pivots harder to spot. WON considers this the most >important aspect of a handle formation. > >6. The handle should drift lower on light volume. This shows existing >holders are content to remain invested. > >7. Within the handle, volatility should contract. The distance between >price highs and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow. Avoid >zigzagging or wide and loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncertainty. > >8. In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In Bear markets, they >can correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10% is fine as long as >it is drifting downward and meets other requirements. > >9. The handle must be at least one week in length but can stretch as much >as 7-10 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size of the cup. > > > >Special Considerations: > >1. "High handles" can begin to form at prices higher than the left side of >the base. This is neither ideal nor common, but can still be successful as >long as the other handle requirements are met. > >2. Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as stocks with lengthy >bases will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear as a base if >looking at a daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are very >strong patterns. (The longer the base, the stronger the subsequent move.) >Based on a study done by the IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks had 33 >week bases on average. Large caps had 66 week bases on average. > >3. A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and then begin forming >another handle. In this case, consider this to be one long handle. > >4. "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but tend to work at the start >of a fresh rally, especially if the rally is strong. Look for volume to >dry up as the stock comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Stocks breaking >out of bases without a handle are most likely industry leaders; lead the >market in relative price performance, sales and earnings growth; and have >high institutional sponsorship. > >5. Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normally they do not do so. > > > >[Note: These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' >Corners, HTMMIS, the IBD web site and other misc. sources.] > > > >--Katherine > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:13 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) > >Hi Katherine, > >I have a question with regard to your "poor" handle comment. According to >24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a shake >out. In this case, the shake out did happen on the two days after the pivot. > >Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry up >near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight >areas, which this one also has. > >Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of >Microsoft shown in the example on page 46. > >Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and said >"looks good" by the time april 1st came around. > >Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the >entire duration of handle before it breaks out? Would you consider this a >better indication of a good handle than the other things? Thanks. > >================================================= >Roger Tawa >http://tawacentral.net/ >[One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] >[When you stop, you're done.] > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:57 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) > >Hi Chris, > >I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, >so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I >call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." > >The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, >you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established >3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, >indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on >4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With >those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at >minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. >Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the >stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle >room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that >your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See >an annotated chart at: > >http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG > > >These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing >recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor >correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: > >http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG > > >Katherine >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones >Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM >To: CANSLIM >Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) >I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in >at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had >dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed >a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that >now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now >dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 >DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many >institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to >their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find >"support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been >too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and >hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 >DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to >see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! > >Thanks so much! > >Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)) Date: 06 May 2003 22:11:58 -0500 LOL! No, my dad's the Virgo in the family. The material is collected from what I've learned over the years from the IBD and WON's teachings. I'll leave the books to him. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Karen White Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:12 PM (JOSB)) Hi Katherine,,,, now with all that info on a handle I have to ask if you are a Virgo and secondly, have you ever considered a book? Amazed Karen At 09:58 PM 5/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> >Hi Roger, > >An "ideal" handle will drift down on decreasing volume. WON considers this >drifting down to be one of the most important factors in a good handle. If >there is a shake out day or two on high volume *within* the handle, that's >a good thing, especially if the days end in the upper part of their range. >(Plenty more handle characteristics--see a more complete list at the end >of this email ). > >That said, it's honestly rare that you get "perfection" in a handle. My >comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift down and/or shakeout *within* >the handle made it a "poor quality" handle. That generally adds to your >risk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less than perfect bases and less >than perfect handles. It's all a matter of odds--just part of the decision >process when determining whether to take a breakout or not. My overall >point on JOSB is that given the lack of drift down in the handle, the risk >of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. That's essentially what >happened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout increases your odds of >getting caught in a pullback. > >Katherine ...handle info follows: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Katherine Malm > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:53 PM > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Handles, A list of Characteristics > >HANDLES > >General Requirements: > >1. Handles most often begin to form lower than the left side of the base, >generally when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the high. > >2. The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than the midpoint of the >base. > >3. The handle should form in the upper half of the base. > >4. The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trade may often lull >below the 50 day MA. > >5. The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handles are >failure prone because the upwardly drifting price doesn't shake out the >weak holders, leaving the stock vulnerable to a correction. Wedging >handles also make pivots harder to spot. WON considers this the most >important aspect of a handle formation. > >6. The handle should drift lower on light volume. This shows existing >holders are content to remain invested. > >7. Within the handle, volatility should contract. The distance between >price highs and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow. Avoid >zigzagging or wide and loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncertainty. > >8. In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In Bear markets, they >can correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10% is fine as long as >it is drifting downward and meets other requirements. > >9. The handle must be at least one week in length but can stretch as much >as 7-10 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size of the cup. > > > >Special Considerations: > >1. "High handles" can begin to form at prices higher than the left side of >the base. This is neither ideal nor common, but can still be successful as >long as the other handle requirements are met. > >2. Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as stocks with lengthy >bases will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear as a base if >looking at a daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are very >strong patterns. (The longer the base, the stronger the subsequent move.) >Based on a study done by the IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks had 33 >week bases on average. Large caps had 66 week bases on average. > >3. A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and then begin forming >another handle. In this case, consider this to be one long handle. > >4. "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but tend to work at the start >of a fresh rally, especially if the rally is strong. Look for volume to >dry up as the stock comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Stocks breaking >out of bases without a handle are most likely industry leaders; lead the >market in relative price performance, sales and earnings growth; and have >high institutional sponsorship. > >5. Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normally they do not do so. > > > >[Note: These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' >Corners, HTMMIS, the IBD web site and other misc. sources.] > > > >--Katherine > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:13 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) > >Hi Katherine, > >I have a question with regard to your "poor" handle comment. According to >24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a shake >out. In this case, the shake out did happen on the two days after the pivot. > >Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry up >near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight >areas, which this one also has. > >Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of >Microsoft shown in the example on page 46. > >Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and said >"looks good" by the time april 1st came around. > >Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the >entire duration of handle before it breaks out? Would you consider this a >better indication of a good handle than the other things? Thanks. > >================================================= >Roger Tawa >http://tawacentral.net/ >[One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] >[When you stop, you're done.] > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:57 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) > >Hi Chris, > >I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, >so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I >call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." > >The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, >you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established >3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, >indicating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on >4/2 (though it did show some follow through action the next day). With >those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at >minimum, a pullback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. >Sure enough, that's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the >stock was already 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle >room to survive a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that >your original mental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See >an annotated chart at: > >http://www.cwhcharts.com /katherine/JOSB050603.JPG > > >These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing >recently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor >correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: > >http://www.cwhcharts.com /katherine/BSTE050603.JPG > > >Katherine >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones >Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM >To: CANSLIM >Subject: [CANSLIM] How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB) >I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental stop in >at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it had >dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only placed >a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change that >now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now >dropped to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 >DMA. Should I hang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many >institutions view the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to >their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find >"support" at this line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been >too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and >hope, since that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 >DMA adds an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to >see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! > >Thanks so much! > >Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IVX Date: 06 May 2003 20:21:56 -0700 (PDT) I'll take a shot at this. The fundies look ok. Currently, it looks well extended from the base. Just my novice thoughts. tomas --- "Bistricer, Avi" wrote: > > Any comment on IVX action today? > > Thanks > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)) Date: 06 May 2003 23:20:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JqL+aX8AwjJ50YjaYy+N9Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Thanks Katherine. This email is definitely a keeper, from before I joined the list. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:59 PM OSB)) Hi Roger, An "ideal" handle will drift down on decreasing volume. WON considers= this drifting down to be one of the most important factors in a good handl= e. If there is a shake out day or two on high volume *within* the handle, t= hat's a good thing, especially if the days end in the upper part of their ran= ge. (Plenty more handle characteristics--see a more complete list at the = end of this email ). That said, it's honestly rare that you get "perfection" in a handle. = My comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift down and/or shakeout *with= in* the handle made it a "poor quality" handle. That generally adds to your r= isk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less than perfect bases and less t= han perfect handles. It's all a matter of odds--just part of the decision process when determining whether to take a breakout or not. My overal= l point on JOSB is that given the lack of drift down in the handle, the risk = of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. That's essentially what hap= pened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout increases your odds of getti= ng caught in a pullback. Katherine ...handle info follows: ----- Original Message ----- =46rom: Katherine Malm Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:53 PM HANDLES General Requirements: 1. Handles most often begin to form lower than the left side of the b= ase, generally when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the high. 2. The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than the midpoint o= f the base. 3. The handle should form in the upper half of the base. 4. The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trade may often l= ull below the 50 day MA. 5. The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handle= s are failure prone because the upwardly drifting price doesn't shake out t= he weak holders, leaving the stock vulnerable to a correction. Wedging handle= s also make pivots harder to spot. WON considers this the most important asp= ect of a handle formation. 6. The handle should drift lower on light volume. This shows existing holders are content to remain invested. 7. Within the handle, volatility should contract. The distance betwee= n price highs and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow. Avoid zigzagg= ing or wide and loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncertainty. 8. In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In Bear markets,= they can correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10% is fine as long= as it is drifting downward and meets other requirements. 9. The handle must be at least one week in length but can stretch as = much as 7-10 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size of the cup= . Special Considerations: 1. "High handles" can begin to form at prices higher than the left si= de of the base. This is neither ideal nor common, but can still be successf= ul as long as the other handle requirements are met. 2. Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as stocks with le= ngthy bases will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear as a base= if looking at a daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are ve= ry strong patterns. (The longer the base, the stronger the subsequent mo= ve.) Based on a study done by the IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks h= ad 33 week bases on average. Large caps had 66 week bases on average. 3. A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and then begin for= ming another handle. In this case, consider this to be one long handle. 4. "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but tend to work at the st= art of a fresh rally, especially if the rally is strong. Look for volume to = dry up as the stock comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Stocks breaking out = of bases without a handle are most likely industry leaders; lead the mar= ket in relative price performance, sales and earnings growth; and have high institutional sponsorship. 5. Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normally they do not= do so. [Note: These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' C= orners, HTMMIS, the IBD web site and other misc. sources.] --Katherine -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:13 PM Hi Katherine, I have a question with regard to your =93poor=94 handle comment. Acc= ording to 24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a s= hake out. In this case, the shake out did happen on the two days after th= e pivot. Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says a proper handle will dry = up near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight ar= eas, which this one also has. Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks very much like the handle of Microsoft shown in the example on page 46. Now, being a novice at this, I would have looked at this handle and s= aid =93looks good=94 by the time april 1st came around. Do you feel that the handle should drift down along its lows for the = entire duration of handle before it breaks out? Would you consider this a b= etter indication of a good handle than the other things? Thanks. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:57 AM Hi Chris, I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selli= ng, so thought I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I= call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right." The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying = late, you took away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot establis= hed 3/21 at $25.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indi= cating a possible lack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (tho= ugh it did show some follow through action the next day). With those credent= ials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pul= lback at least to the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, tha= t's what happened. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already = 13% extended from the breakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive = a pullback without triggering your 8% rule. Notice that your original m= ental stop at $27 was above the logical support area. See an annotated cha= rt at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing r= ecently and if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction without triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:45 PM I have a dilemma - I bought JOSB a few weeks back and put a mental st= op in at $27 (8%). When I checked today after the market closed, I saw it = had dropped $1.88, and is now at $25.51. I'm a little mad that I only pl= aced a mental stop, which could have avoided this, however I can't change th= at now. Normally I would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropp= ed to 12%, but the stock now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA. Should I h= ang on and hope institutions will step in? IBD says "many institutions view= the 50-day line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price. That's why many strong stocks find "support" at thi= s line." However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/resistance for JOSB in the past. I hate to wait and hope, si= nce that's exactly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds= an interesting twist. Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounces back? Opinions are appreciated! Thanks so much! Chris --Boundary_(ID_JqL+aX8AwjJ50YjaYy+N9Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

Thanks Katherine.

 

This email is definitely a keeper, from before I joined the li= st.

 

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Roger Tawa

http://tawacentral.net/

[One thing about paradigms: = shift happens.]

[When you stop, you're done.= ]

 =

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 06,= 2003 10:59 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] RE:= Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB))

 =

Hi Roger,

 

An "ideal" handle will drift down on decreasing volume. WON co= nsiders this drifting down to be one of the most important factors in a good = handle. If there is a shake out day or two on high volume *within* the hand= le, that's a good thing, especially if the days end in the upper part of their r= ange. (Plenty more handle characteristics--see a more complete list at = ;the end of this email ).

 

That said, it's honestly rare that you get "perfection" in a handle. M= y comment on JOSB was that the lack of drift down and/or shakeout *within* the = handle made it a "poor quality" handle. That generally adds to you= r risk, but plenty of breakouts occur from less than perfect bases and less t= han perfect handles. It's all a matter of odds--just part of the decision= process when determining whether to take a breakout or not. My over= all point on JOSB is that given the lack of drift down in the handle, the risk = of a pullback *after* breakout then increases. That's essentially what hap= pened. Buying late after a higher risk breakout increases your odds of getting caug= ht in a pullback.

 

Katherine       =2E..handle info follows:

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kat= herine Malm

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:53 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Handles, A list of Characteristics=

HANDLES

General Requirements:

1. Handles most often begin to form lower than the left = side of the base, generally when the stock has climbed within 5-15% of the hi= gh.

2. The midpoint of a good handle should be higher than t= he midpoint of the base.

3. The handle should form in the upper half of the base.=

4. The handle should form above the 200 day MA, but trad= e may often lull below the 50 day MA.

5. The handle should drift sideways or lower. Upward "wedging" handles are failure prone because the upwardly dr= ifting price doesn't shake out the weak holders, leaving the stock vulnerabl= e to a correction. Wedging handles also make pivots harder to spot. W= ON considers this the most important aspect of a handle formation.

6. The handle should drift lower on light volume. This s= hows existing holders are content to remain invested.

7. Within the handle, volatility should contract. The di= stance between price highs and lows (intraday and day to day) should narrow.= Avoid zigzagging or wide and loose handles. Choppy handles carry more uncer= tainty.

8. In normal markets, proper handles correct 10-20%. In = Bear markets, they can correct as much as 30%. A handle that drifts <10= % is fine as long as it is drifting downward and meets other requirements.

9. The handle must be at least one week in length but ca= n stretch as much as 7-10 weeks. It should be smaller in proportion to the size= of the cup.

 

Special Considerations:

1. "High handles" can begin to form at prices = higher than the left side of the base. This is neither ideal nor common, but= can still be successful as long as the other handle requirements are met.

2. Be sure to look at both daily and weekly charts, as s= tocks with lengthy bases will have long handles. The lengthy handle may appear a= s a base if looking at a daily chart. Long bases signal strong support and are= very strong patterns. (The longer the base, the stronger the subsequent mo= ve.) Based on a study done by the IBD in 96-97, small and mid cap stocks had 33 = week bases on average. Large caps had 66 week bases on average.

3. A stock can form a handle, near its pivot point and t= hen begin forming another handle. In this case, consider this to be one lo= ng handle.

4. "No-handle" bases are more error prone, but= tend to work at the start of a fresh rally, especially if the rally is strong= . Look for volume to dry up as the stock comes within 5-10% of its old peak. Sto= cks breaking out of bases without a handle are most likely industry leade= rs; lead the market in relative price performance, sales and earnings growth; = and have high institutional sponsorship.

5. Double bottom bases can form a handle, though normall= y they do not do so.

 

[Note: These notes are compiled from many years worth of Investors' Corners, HTMMIS, the IBD web site and other misc. sources.= ]

 

--Katherine

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@li= sts.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa
Sent: Tuesday, May 06,= 2003 8:13 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]= How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

Hi Katherine,

 

I have a question with regard to your ̶= 0;poor” handle comment.  According to = 24 lessons, page 47, a handle should drift down on lows *OR* have a shake out.  In t= his case, the shake out did happen on the two days after the pivot.<= /span>

 

Furthermore, at the top of page 48, it says= a proper handle will dry up near its lows, which this one seems to do, *OR* will have several tight are= as, which this one also has.

 

Finally, the JOSB handle actually looks ver= y much like the handle of Microsoft shown in the example on page 46.

 

Now, being a novice at this, I would have l= ooked at this handle and said “looks good” by the time april 1st came around.

 

Do you feel that the handle should drift do= wn along its lows for the entire duration of handle before it breaks out?  Would you consider this a b= etter indication of a good handle than the other things?  Thanks.

 

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= Roger Tawa

= http://tawacentral.net/

= [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.]

= [When you stop, you're done.]

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 06,= 2003 10:57 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]= How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

 

Hi Chris,

 

I see several folks have already commented on the discipline of selling, so thought= I'd focus on a slightly different angle. That is, something I call "wiggle room" or "the best selling rule is to buy right."

 

The biggest problem I see with your JOSB situation is that by buying late, you to= ok away all your wiggle room. JOSB set up with a pivot established 3/21 at $2= 5.51. It put in a poor handle which didn't drift down, indicating a possible l= ack of shakeout, then staged a wimpy breakout on 4/2 (though it did show som= e follow through action the next day). With those credentials, buying right is particularly important. Odds favor, at minimum, a pullback at least t= o the original breakout area around 25-26. Sure enough, that's what happene= d. As your purchase was late, when the stock was already 13% extended from the b= reakout price, you have no wiggle room to survive a pullback without triggeri= ng your 8% rule. Notice that your original mental stop at $27 was above the logi= cal support area.  See an annotated chart at:

 

http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/JOSB050603.JPG

 

These kinds of pullbacks are fairly common. BSTE did the same thing recently and = if purchased correctly, one could've sat out the minor correction withou= t triggering sell rules. Take a look at the reward:

 

http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/BSTE050603.JPG

 

Katherine

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission= .com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 3:45 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] How= much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)

I have a dilemma - I bought JOS= B a few weeks back and put a mental stop in at $27 (8%).  When I ch= ecked today after the market closed, I saw it had dropped $1.88, and is now= at $25.51.  I'm a little mad that I only placed a mental stop, whic= h could have avoided this, however I can't change that now.  Normally I = would sell right at the market since my loss has now dropped to 12%, but the sto= ck now sits about $.25 above it's 50 DMA.  Should I hang on and hope in= stitutions will step in?  IBD says "many institutions view the 50-day = line as a level at which they can add to their positions at a reasonable price.= That's why many strong stocks find "support" at this line."&n= bsp; However, it seems that the 50 DMA hasn't been too much of a support/r= esistance for JOSB in the past.  I hate to wait and hope, since that's exa= ctly what O'Neil said bad investors do, but the 50 DMA adds an intere= sting twist.  Should I sell at the market, or wait to see if it bounce= s back?  Opinions are appreciated!

 

Thanks so much!

 

Chris

--Boundary_(ID_JqL+aX8AwjJ50YjaYy+N9Q)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liptbeck@cs.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 07 May 2003 01:09:29 EDT Hello Canslimmers I only read these emails intermittently. I was wondering: Whatever happened to Worley's Weekend Weeview? It seems like I haven't seen it for awhile, although I have to admit, time flies and I can't say how long I haven't seen it. becky in Oregon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)) Date: 07 May 2003 08:47:11 EDT Katherine: Thanks for the systematic info on Handles. I keep many of your E-mails because they are so informative-without a lot of filler. For instance, I have the original edition of HTMMIS, but your compilation of Handle-Rules are much more succinct and less filling. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maria McAdams" Subject: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 07 May 2003 08:15:27 -0500 I am wondering about that myself. It must be a lot of work for Tom to prepare that list - I recognize that... Well, just to let him know I miss it. Blessings, MLMcAdams Ancora Imparo - Latin for "I am still learning." Leonardo da Vinci said that - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 07 May 2003 08:04:50 -0600 Not only that, but where is Worley himself? On 7 May 2003 at 1:09, Liptbeck@cs.com wrote: > Hello Canslimmers > > I only read these emails intermittently. I was wondering: Whatever happened > to Worley's Weekend Weeview? It seems like I haven't seen it for awhile, > although I have to admit, time flies and I can't say how long I haven't seen > it. > > becky in Oregon > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE:Handles (was:How much support is the 50 DMA? (JOSB)) Date: 07 May 2003 10:25:23 EDT JOSB's behavior mirrors the majority of stocks breaking out from bases (or, as in JOSB's case, a base-on-base); they pull back instead of surging ahead. This may just reflect eagerness of investors to take profits in the spooky market of the past 6 months -- or -- maybe it's due to smart alecs taking advantage of CANSLIM-ers. How long this will continue is anybody's guess. I think Katherine's advice about "wiggle room" makes sense in this market. Maybe in any market. That minimizes the risk of getting whipsawed. Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule Date: 07 May 2003 09:37:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JAeKt/x24ZKxDWWwezz5RA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Bob: I troll in these waters. For sub $10 stocks, I try to buy within 40 cents of the trigger point, but I'm flexible on the rule. A lot of it has to do with how technically extended the stock is at the breakout point. If its been a nice flatline base, you have a higher chance of being forced to 'pay up' greater than 5%, as the stock will probably gap away. If the stock has had a strong move up to the trigger point, it will be much more likely to pullback near the trigger point, and allow you to get in near 5%. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: rchodes To: Canslim Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule I have a question about the rule not to buy a stock that has moved up in price more than 5% above the pivot point. This rule is easy to follow if the stock price is above $15. I know that some of you, such as Tom, follow small caps that may have a price below $10, perhaps in the $5 range. Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's pretty hard to jump onto that sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot point. One can always cheat and buy before the anticipated breakout. Or you can expand the 5% rule to maybe 15% or so. To those of you who troll in these waters, what do you? Thanks. Bob Hodes --Boundary_(ID_JAeKt/x24ZKxDWWwezz5RA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Bob:
 
I troll in these waters. For sub $10 stocks, I try to buy within 40 cents of the trigger point, but I'm flexible on the rule. A lot of it has to do with how technically extended the stock is at the breakout point. If its been a nice flatline base, you have a higher chance of being forced to 'pay up' greater than 5%, as the stock will probably gap away. If the stock has had a strong move up to the trigger point, it will be much more likely to pullback near the trigger point, and allow you to get in near 5%.
 
Ian
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: rchodes
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule

I have a question about the rule not to buy a stock that has moved up in price more than 5% above the pivot point.  This rule is easy to follow if the stock price is above $15.  I know that some of you, such as Tom, follow small caps that may have a price below $10, perhaps in the $5 range.  Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's pretty hard to jump onto that sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot point.
 
One can always cheat and buy before the anticipated breakout.  Or you can expand the 5% rule to maybe 15% or so.  To those of you who troll in these waters, what do you?  Thanks.
 
Bob Hodes
--Boundary_(ID_JAeKt/x24ZKxDWWwezz5RA)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gasta, Jeff" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 07 May 2003 17:20:51 -0400 I've also missed Tom's Weekend Weeview and all the other helpful messages he sends. I'm hoping he is just on vacation for a couple of weeks. But, maybe he made lots of money in this latest rally and has retired! Maybe he made a bundle on EPIQ. Just kidding... Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:09 AM Hello Canslimmers I only read these emails intermittently. I was wondering: Whatever happened to Worley's Weekend Weeview? It seems like I haven't seen it for awhile, although I have to admit, time flies and I can't say how long I haven't seen it. becky in Oregon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraus0R@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 07 May 2003 18:06:25 EDT Last I recall, the poor guy was working 80+ hour weeks. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 07 May 2003 18:26:46 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C314C6.379975B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments on COLM, UTSI, or = HOV. Here's my novice analysis. COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it gapped down and up? = Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM = Evaluation @ cwhcharts.com. UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I also see the Handle as = a smaller CwH. Anyone else see this? Does that make it any more = significant? Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on the = CANSLIM Eval. HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted appropriately during the = handle. Nice breakout today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty = good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. Any of them look particularly tempting? Thanks for your comments! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C314C6.379975B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All.  Just wondering if anybody = had any=20 comments on COLM, UTSI, or HOV.  Here's my novice = analysis.
 
COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter = that it=20 gapped down and up?  Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, but only 12 out = of 18=20 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ cwhcharts.com.
 
UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to = present. =20 But I also see the Handle as a smaller CwH.  Anyone else see = this? =20 Does that make it any more significant?  Fundies/IBD also looks = pretty=20 good.  15 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval.
 
HOV - Looks like a CwH.  = Volume=20 contracted appropriately during the handle.  Nice breakout today on = 2x=20 ADV.  Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty good.  14 out of 18 = on the=20 CANSLIM Eval.
 
All three stocks are on the IBD100=20 list.
 
Any of them look particularly=20 tempting?
 
Thanks for your comments!
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C314C6.379975B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rchodes" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule Date: 07 May 2003 21:36:56 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C314E0.C889A6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian: Thanks. That question was motivated by my interest in TPTH. Just = as you suggested, good news came out before the open on Tues and it = gapped up from about $4.20 to $5.50 on the open. This is not a strict = CANSLIM stock since historical earnings are negative and the price was = too low for WON, but it has some interesting CANSLIM characteristics. I = decided it was too extended after the gap to buy but it rose again on = WEDS 15%. =20 Bob ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule Hi Bob: I troll in these waters. For sub $10 stocks, I try to buy within 40 = cents of the trigger point, but I'm flexible on the rule. A lot of it = has to do with how technically extended the stock is at the breakout = point. If its been a nice flatline base, you have a higher chance of = being forced to 'pay up' greater than 5%, as the stock will probably gap = away. If the stock has had a strong move up to the trigger point, it = will be much more likely to pullback near the trigger point, and allow = you to get in near 5%. Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rchodes=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 5% rule I have a question about the rule not to buy a stock that has moved = up in price more than 5% above the pivot point. This rule is easy to = follow if the stock price is above $15. I know that some of you, such = as Tom, follow small caps that may have a price below $10, perhaps in = the $5 range. Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's pretty hard to jump onto = that sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot point. One can always cheat and buy before the anticipated breakout. Or = you can expand the 5% rule to maybe 15% or so. To those of you who = troll in these waters, what do you? Thanks. Bob Hodes ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C314E0.C889A6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ian:  Thanks.  That question = was=20 motivated by my interest in TPTH.  Just as you suggested, good news = came=20 out before the open on Tues and it gapped up from about $4.20 to $5.50 = on the=20 open.  This is not a strict CANSLIM stock since historical earnings = are=20 negative and the price was too low for WON, but it has some interesting = CANSLIM=20 characteristics.  I decided it was too extended after the gap to = buy but it=20 rose again on WEDS 15%. 
 
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 9:37=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question = about 5%=20 rule

Hi Bob:
 
I troll in these waters. For sub $10 stocks, I try = to buy=20 within 40 cents of the trigger point, but I'm flexible on the rule. A = lot of=20 it has to do with how technically extended the stock is at the = breakout point.=20 If its been a nice flatline base, you have a higher chance of being = forced to=20 'pay up' greater than 5%, as the stock will probably gap away. If the = stock=20 has had a strong move up to the trigger point, it will be much more = likely to=20 pullback near the trigger point, and allow you to get in near = 5%.
 
Ian
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rchodes=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 = 8:00=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Question = about 5%=20 rule

I have a question about the rule = not to buy a=20 stock that has moved up in price more than 5% above the pivot = point. =20 This rule is easy to follow if the stock price is above $15.  I = know=20 that some of you, such as Tom, follow small caps that may have a = price below=20 $10, perhaps in the $5 range.  Well 5% of $5 is .25 and it's = pretty=20 hard to jump onto that sucker before it goes up .25 from the pivot=20 point.
 
One can always cheat and buy before = the=20 anticipated breakout.  Or you can expand the 5% rule to maybe = 15% or=20 so.  To those of you who troll in these waters, what do = you? =20 Thanks.
 
Bob=20 Hodes
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Similarly wrt rs rank, I noticed that many stocks will have low ranks during the cup, but that the rank will increase to respectable values (ie 80 and above) during the right side formation. Other stocks maintain a relatively high rank all the way through the cup (for example, APPX). Is this the sign of a true leader? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 07 May 2003 20:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Chris, Here's my take. COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if this is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below the left cup. UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed yet. HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO is on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, then today price is well extended and today's big volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the whole boat? :). --- Chris Jones wrote: > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > cwhcharts.com. > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on > the CANSLIM Eval. > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > Thanks for your comments! > > Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] rs rank and rs line Date: 07 May 2003 22:38:31 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C314E9.6296C790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, I'll leave it to others to comment on APPX specifically. As a more general reply, rather than writing a lengthy reply to your question, if you don't mind, I'll direct you to some previous articles I've written on the RSRank vs. the comparative RS Line. If you go to our site, www.cwhcharts.com, select the Forums menu (this is accessible even to non-subscribers so that members of the CANSLIM list can use it as a resource if they wish) . In the Tutorials Forum, look for an article entitled "RSRank vs. RSLine" from 2/8/03. In the Q&A Forum, look for an article entitled "Colored Chart Zones" from 11/20/02. Another resource is the Help button on the charts we've made available to members of the CANSLIM list (http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php). There is a brief discussion of the use of the RSRank and the RSLine as indicators of strength. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:51 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] rs rank and rs line > > Hi all, > > I have noticed that some stocks have really choppy rs lines during the > base formation (ie the cup), while others are pretty straight. The > straight ones can be either flat or maybe slightly rising or falling. how > do these patterns affect the worthiness of a stock? > > Similarly wrt rs rank, I noticed that many stocks will have low ranks > during the cup, but that the rank will increase to respectable values (ie > 80 and above) during the right side formation. Other stocks maintain a > relatively high rank all the way through the cup (for example, APPX). 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liptbeck@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 08 May 2003 01:09:20 EDT Thanks Jeffrey, I sure wish he would of shared all those winning choices with us so we could retire too becky - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liptbeck@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where is Worley's Weekend Weeview? Date: 08 May 2003 01:11:41 EDT Maybe we should send him some of our lucky picks, then becky - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rolf Hertenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 06:40:54 -0600 When you mention the Industry Rank of 38 (not good) and 19 (just OK), are you referring to the rank on IBD's 197 group list? Thanks! Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > Chris, > > Here's my take. > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if this > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below the > left cup. > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed yet. > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO is > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, > then today price is well extended and today's big > volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > whole boat? :). > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Chris > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Lobatto" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 08:44:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3153D.FE53D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't see any volume on the right side of UTSI's cup to speak of.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Jones=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments on COLM, UTSI, or = HOV. Here's my novice analysis. COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it gapped down and up? = Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM = Evaluation @ cwhcharts.com. UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I also see the Handle = as a smaller CwH. Anyone else see this? Does that make it any more = significant? Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on the = CANSLIM Eval. HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted appropriately during the = handle. Nice breakout today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty = good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. Any of them look particularly tempting? Thanks for your comments! Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3153D.FE53D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't see any volume on the = right side of=20 UTSI's cup to speak of....
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 9:26=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Comments on = COLM,=20 UTSI, HOV?

Hi All.  Just wondering if = anybody had any=20 comments on COLM, UTSI, or HOV.  Here's my novice = analysis.
 
COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it = matter that it=20 gapped down and up?  Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, but only 12 = out of 18=20 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ cwhcharts.com.
 
UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to = present. =20 But I also see the Handle as a smaller CwH.  Anyone else see = this? =20 Does that make it any more significant?  Fundies/IBD also looks = pretty=20 good.  15 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval.
 
HOV - Looks like a CwH.  = Volume=20 contracted appropriately during the handle.  Nice breakout today = on 2x=20 ADV.  Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty good.  14 out of = 18 on=20 the CANSLIM Eval.
 
All three stocks are on the IBD100=20 list.
 
Any of them look particularly=20 tempting?
 
Thanks for your = comments!
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3153D.FE53D0C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bistricer, Avi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 09:24:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31565.166BB2EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any opinion on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks=20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31565.166BB2EA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any = opinion on SSYS=20 at about $25.00. Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31565.166BB2EA-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: SSYS (was: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?) Date: 08 May 2003 08:27:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3153B.99FC2C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avi, What about the stock catches *your* eye (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)? Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Any opinion on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks Avi Bistricer, DBA 212.460.6695 bistricera@coned.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3153B.99FC2C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Avi,
 
What about the stock catches = *your* eye=20 (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)?
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments = on COLM,=20 UTSI, HOV?

Any = opinion on=20 SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3153B.99FC2C00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bistricer, Avi" Subject: RE: SSYS (was: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?) Date: 08 May 2003 09:40:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31567.60C25792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It appeared on the breakout report a few days ago, I checked the rating on the IBD site and they looked good. P/E not too high. =20 I'm new to IDB/CANSLIM method. =20 Thanks=20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:27 AM Avi, =20 What about the stock catches *your* eye (technical, fundamental, = industry, etc.)? =20 Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM Any opinion on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks=20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31567.60C25792 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It = appeared on the=20 breakout report a few days ago, I checked the rating
on the = IBD site and=20 they looked good. P/E not too high.
 
I'm new = to=20 IDB/CANSLIM method.
 
Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 9:27=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: SSYS = (was: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

Avi,
 
What about the stock catches = *your* eye=20 (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)?
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments = on=20 COLM, UTSI, HOV?

Any = opinion on=20 SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31567.60C25792-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 09:13:22 -0500 Hi Rolf, Chris, I noticed the comment about the industry ranks of 38 and 11 as being "not good" and "just OK" as well. Whether the rankings are based on the IBD, HGS or cwhcharts.com site, then a *low* ranking number would be a good thing. That is 11th out of 197, 200, or 192 industries is an industry that falls in the *top* quartile of all industries. The 3 industries in question look like this in our system: COLM's industry (Textile Apparel Mfg): 51st out of 192 (top 50%) http://www.cwhcharts.com/TexAparMfg050703.JPG UTSI's industry (Telecom Equip): 85th out of 192 (top 50% and rose quickly to get there) http://www.cwhcharts.com/TelEquip050703.JPG HOV's industry (Bldg Residential Commercial): 11th out of 192 (top 25%) http://www.cwhcharts.com/BldResComm050703.JPG If you use our CANSLIM evaluator and click on the industry rank to see these charts, there is a "Methodology" button that explains the ranking and scoring systems. This is one area where we've made a departure from the IBD/HGS rankings, using the overall technical condition of each stock in the industry rather than average price action of stocks in the industry to determine rank. You can also read the methodology at http://www.breakoutwatch.com/industry_methodology.htm Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rolf Hertenstein Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:41 AM When you mention the Industry Rank of 38 (not good) and 19 (just OK), are you referring to the rank on IBD's 197 group list? Thanks! Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > Chris, > > Here's my take. > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if this > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below the > left cup. > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed yet. > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO is > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, > then today price is well extended and today's big > volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > whole boat? :). > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Chris > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 09:16:44 -0500 Corrected links in body of message below: -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:13 AM Hi Rolf, Chris, I noticed the comment about the industry ranks of 38 and 11 as being "not good" and "just OK" as well. Whether the rankings are based on the IBD, HGS or cwhcharts.com site, then a *low* ranking number would be a good thing. That is 11th out of 197, 200, or 192 industries is an industry that falls in the *top* quartile of all industries. The 3 industries in question look like this in our system: COLM's industry (Textile Apparel Mfg): 51st out of 192 (top 50%) http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TexAparMfg050703.JPG UTSI's industry (Telecom Equip): 85th out of 192 (top 50% and rose quickly to get there) http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TelEquip050703.JPG HOV's industry (Bldg Residential Commercial): 11th out of 192 (top 25%) http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldResComm050703.JPG If you use our CANSLIM evaluator and click on the industry rank to see these charts, there is a "Methodology" button that explains the ranking and scoring systems. This is one area where we've made a departure from the IBD/HGS rankings, using the overall technical condition of each stock in the industry rather than average price action of stocks in the industry to determine rank. You can also read the methodology at http://www.breakoutwatch.com/industry_methodology.htm Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rolf Hertenstein Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:41 AM When you mention the Industry Rank of 38 (not good) and 19 (just OK), are you referring to the rank on IBD's 197 group list? Thanks! Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > Chris, > > Here's my take. > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if this > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below the > left cup. > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed yet. > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO is > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, > then today price is well extended and today's big > volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > whole boat? :). > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Chris > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 09:37:03 -0500 Hi Chris, Tomas, COLM is etching a "high handle". That is, a handle which forms a bit above the left side of the cup. In this case, it's about 2% above. While valid handles form above the midpoint of the cup, there is nothing to keep them from forming higher. This one is high due to the big recent gap up on the right side of the cup. Here's a look at the chart of COLM with some comments on the CE Scores and basing pattern: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM050703.JPG In general, all three of these stocks fall into what I refer to as the "green" zone based on the combination of fundamentals and technicals. That makes them worth reviewing in greater detail to find their strengths/weaknesses. See how they fall into line with respect to all possible CE Scores: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CEMap050703.JPG (To review the methodology for deriving the scores and mapping them see http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_methodology.htm and http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_zone_methodology.htm) Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:05 PM Chris, Here's my take. COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if this is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below the left cup. UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed yet. HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO is on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, then today price is well extended and today's big volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the whole boat? :). --- Chris Jones wrote: > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any comments > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty good, > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > cwhcharts.com. > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 on > the CANSLIM Eval. > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > Thanks for your comments! > > Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Salisbury Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 09:39:51 -0600 --------------060601010201000509070907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner --------------060601010201000509070907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner --------------060601010201000509070907-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Lobatto" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:38:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C31556.6ACA00E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely stunned....what a loss. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C31556.6ACA00E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely stunned....what a=20 loss.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 11:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C31556.6ACA00E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Richards" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:07:47 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C31552.124773C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Send me your private e-mail address. Thanks. Fred Richards -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C31552.124773C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Send=20 me your private e-mail address.  Thanks.
 
Fred=20 Richards
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury
Sent: Thursday, May 08, = 2003=20 10:40 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement

Fellow=20 CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly = announce the=20 death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic = dispute with=20 his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his=20 sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I = learned=20 of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me = that=20 she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I = asked to=20 speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource = officer=20 sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C31552.124773C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JB" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:36:37 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C31556.15F47960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A tragic loss, Tom was very helpful and always available, God rest his soul, he will be missed.. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:40 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C31556.15F47960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A tragic loss, Tom was very helpful and = always=20 available, God rest his soul, he will be missed..
 
John
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff=20 Salisbury
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:40 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great = sadness=20 and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He = was=20 apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past=20 weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who = passed away=20 from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when = Katherine=20 Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact = Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was = informed=20 of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this = announcement=20 that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C31556.15F47960-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 23:46:27 +0700 What a bummer... I'm not sure if I am feeling sadness, anger, or more likely, both. Having been mainly a lurker since the very beginning of this list, I have always looked forward to Tom's intelligent and enlightening posts. A truly giving person. Such a terrible waste. Peter - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 12:49:33 EDT --part1_61.30d12dba.2bebe49d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A loss to all of us who read his commentaries. Tom was always the first to welcome a new member. We will miss him. Charley --part1_61.30d12dba.2bebe49d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A loss to all of us who r= ead his commentaries. Tom was always the first to welcome a new member. We w= ill miss him. Charley --part1_61.30d12dba.2bebe49d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:40:26 -0500 He will be missed. My prayers are with his family. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Jeff Salisbury" cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement owner-canslim@lists.xmiss ion.com 05/08/2003 10:39 AM Please respond to canslim Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Daniels" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C31563.740472A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker, I always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always had patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right direction (IMO). I will miss him. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C31563.740472A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I am=20 deeply saddened to here about Tom.  Though I was mostly a lurker, = I=20 always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest.  He = always=20 had patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right=20 direction (IMO).  I will miss him.
 
Jim
------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C31563.740472A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bojanowski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 13:18:46 -0400 I've been a lurker on the list for a few years. I've only posted a few times, but when I did I always received a response from Tom. I didn't know Tom except for his posts but I hope he is at peace. So sad...he will be missed. >From: Jeff Salisbury >Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:39:51 -0600 > >Fellow CANSLIM'rs, > >With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom >Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over >this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who >passed away from cancer a few years ago. > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rolfh@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 13:24:43 -0600 (GMT) ------=_Part_4243_4657962.1052414683633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rest in peace Tom. Most of us learned a great deal from him. I also learned from him to be more generous with my time, as he always was. Rolf ------=_Part_4243_4657962.1052414683633 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; name=MESSAGE.HTML; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=MESSAGE.HTML Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_Part_4243_4657962.1052414683633-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Musicant Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 10:27:17 -0700 On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: : : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker,= I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always = had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right = direction :(IMO). I will miss him. : : Jim Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything.=20 Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 12:36:33 -0500 Hi Dan, It happened over the weekend of 4/26. We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to Tom's sister. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: : : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker, I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right direction :(IMO). I will miss him. : : Jim Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe McCall" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 12:41:59 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3155F.376072D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable God bless you, Tom. You are missed. Joe McCall ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Hi Dan, It happened over the weekend of 4/26. We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to = Tom's sister. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: : : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a = lurker, I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He = always had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right = direction :(IMO). I will miss him. : : Jim Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't = lose direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always = inadvertently), and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying = in earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts = by Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? = I tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3155F.376072D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
God bless you, Tom.  You are=20 missed.
 
Joe McCall
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 12:36=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley: Tragic=20 Announcement

Hi Dan,

It happened over the weekend of=20 4/26.

We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM = list to=20 Tom's
sister.

Katherine

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Dan Musicant
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement


On Thu, 8 May = 2003=20 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote:

:
:  I am deeply saddened to = here=20 about Tom.  Though I was mostly a lurker, I
:always looked = forward to=20 Tom's opinion with great interest.  He always had
:patience = with new=20 members, and kept the group headed in the right = direction
:(IMO).  I=20 will miss him.
:
:  Jim

Yes, Tom was a rudder for = the=20 CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose
direction. I fell off = the list=20 due to an unintended bounce (it's
happened many timse due to my = spam=20 filtering, and always inadvertently),
and I didn't bother = reregistering=20 until the markets started rallying in
earnest - reregistered about = a week=20 ago, but there have been no posts by
Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 = PM. Does=20 anyone know when this happened? I
tried online Florida papers and = didn't=20 find anything.

Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes=20 on...

Dan

-
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.



-
-To = subscribe/unsubscribe,=20 email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3155F.376072D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 10:58:52 -0700 And Tom would call it a "weeview" and then go on to put the week into perspective much better than the "talking heads" could.. Tom was a generous man- to all of us. Peace, karen At 01:24 PM 5/8/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Rest in peace Tom. > >Most of us learned a great deal from him. I also >learned from him to be more generous with my time, >as he always was. > > Rolf - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "david frank" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 12:57:28 -0500 I'm deeply saddened too. Tom, I'll miss you!!!!! Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:36 PM > Hi Dan, > > It happened over the weekend of 4/26. > > We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to Tom's > sister. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement > > > On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: > > : > : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker, I > :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always had > :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right direction > :(IMO). I will miss him. > : > : Jim > > Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose > direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's > happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), > and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in > earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by > Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I > tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. > > Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... > > Dan > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Mc Dermitt Subject: re[2]: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 14:00:40 -0400 I have been a "lurker" saddened to hear of Tom's death...he contributed so much.... thought you would be interested in this bio: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm Tom Mc Dermitt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Steenson" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:12:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3158D.63C049D4" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158D.63C049D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm just a longtime lurker, since 97. I keep meaning to implement CANSLIM in my investing when I found time, but time is always in short supply. =20 =20 Tom was one of the main reasons that I've stayed with this list. His posts were well written and informative. What's more he treated everybody with dignity and respect, especially the newbie's. Even though I never met him except through his posts, I'll miss him. =20 Please pass my condolences onto his sister. =20 http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-216223120030428-050401.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158D.63C049D4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I'm=20 just a longtime lurker, since 97.  I keep meaning to implement = CANSLIM in=20 my investing when I found time, but time is always in short = supply. =20
 
Tom=20 was one of the main reasons that I've stayed with this list.  His = posts=20 were well written and informative.  What's more he treated = everybody with=20 dignity and respect, especially the newbie's.  Even though I never = met him=20 except through his posts, I'll miss him.
 
Please=20 pass my condolences onto his sister.
 
http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-216223120030428-050= 401.html
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158D.63C049D4-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 14:25:28 EDT Besides being one of the most helpful people in our group, Tom was also one of the most original. It was clear from his comments that he was exploring new paths in the application of WON principles. He wasn't stuck in the mud. In that respect, Tom was an example to all of us. We're gonna miss his inventiveness. Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Very true. I am new to this community. When introduced myself to the group, Tom was to first person to welcome me. This is such a BIG loss. I hope he is happy wherever he is right now. tomas --- Chazmoore@aol.com wrote: > A loss to all of us who read his commentaries. Tom > was always the first to > welcome a new member. We will miss him. Charley > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: [CANSLIM] Breakout -- Aetna (AET) Date: 08 May 2003 14:49:49 -0400 AET broke out over last few days on above-average volume and is continuing = the trend today on 3x volume today. To me it looks like a cup with a high handle that has based for last two = years.=20 In remembering Tom, I say this: Over last six months, it has been an LLUR. Tom: May you rest in eternal peace and eternal bliss. Yours was the only = email that I diligently saved everyweek to study again and again. Thank = you for giving us a part of you by sharing your knowledge with us. You = will be remembered and missed every weekend. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Katona" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 11:51:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C31558.22304540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too am saddened and shocked by this news. Tom always welcomed new members. He wasn't shy in telling you what he thought about the stock market, a specific stock or a topic. He was always willing to take the time to respond to and teach new members of this list. He will be missed. My prayers are with him and his family. Tim Katona -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:40 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C31558.22304540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too=20 am saddened and shocked by this news.
 
Tom=20 always welcomed new members. He wasn't shy in telling you what he = thought about=20 the stock market, a specific stock or a topic. He was always willing to = take the=20 time to respond to and teach new members of this list. He will be = missed. My=20 prayers are with him and his family.
Tim=20 Katona
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff=20 Salisbury
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great = sadness=20 and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He = was=20 apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past=20 weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who = passed away=20 from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when = Katherine=20 Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact = Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was = informed=20 of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this = announcement=20 that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C31558.22304540-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bojanowski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 15:05:04 -0400 >From: rolfh@mindspring.com > >Most of us learned a great deal from him. I also >learned from him to be more generous with my time, >as he always was. > > Rolf I think that is a lesson for us all... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Bywater Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 15:18:17 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31596.946CBBDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am a long time lurker who feels compelled to speak up. I am shaken deeply by this loss. Though I never met the man, I have learned a tremendous amount from his messages. I went back in my own CANSLIM archives and counted over 300 saved messages from Tom alone. His contributions will be sorely missed. Godspeed Tom. My prayers also go out to his son. I do not know what would cause someone to do such a thing, but I pray that he also finds his peace. Rick Bywater -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner THIS TRANSMISSION, INCLUDING ANY ATTACHMENTS OR FILES, CONTAINS AIRNET COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY INFORMATION WHICH MAY BE OTHERWISE EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us by telephone at 1-321-984-1990 or by email to postmaster@airnetcom.com immediately and do not read, print or save this information in any manner. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31596.946CBBDC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am a=20 long time lurker who feels compelled to speak up.  I am = shaken deeply=20 by this loss.  Though I never met the man, I have learned a = tremendous=20 amount from his messages.  I went back in my own CANSLIM archives = and=20 counted over 300 saved messages from Tom alone.  His contributions = will be=20 sorely missed.  Godspeed Tom.
 
My=20 prayers also go out to his son.  I do not know what would cause = someone to=20 do such a thing, but I pray that he also finds his = peace.
 
Rick=20 Bywater
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Salisbury=20 [mailto:Jeff.Salisbury@WallStreet-LLC.com]
Sent: Thursday, = May 08,=20 2003 11:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement

Fellow=20 CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly = announce the=20 death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic = dispute with=20 his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his = sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I = learned=20 of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to = me that=20 she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I = asked to=20 speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource = officer=20 sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http= ://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
 &nbs= p; =20 http://w= ww.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/= worley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20


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FROM DISCLOSURE.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31596.946CBBDC-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 09:24:39 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C31543.A6276E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's hard to add anything more to what has already been said. I recall Tom's helpfulness when I first joined the list and many times since, both on and off the list. I will miss him. The WWW made the list more than just a bulletin board. It was a weekly piece of financial journalism that anchored the list around a discussion of "M", the most important letter in CANSLIM. It must have taken hours of preparation and speaks to his generosity with his time. Tom was also a fierce defender of the integrity of the list and was always quick to jump on those who were disingenuous, abusive, mischievous or exploitative. The fact that there is little of that compared to other stock information bulletin boards is in part due to Tom's diligence. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:40 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C31543.A6276E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's=20 hard to add anything more to what has already been said. I recall Tom's=20 helpfulness when I first joined the list and many times since, both on = and off=20 the list. I will miss him.
 
The WWW made the list more than = just a bulletin=20 board. It was a weekly piece of financial journalism that anchored the = list=20 around a discussion of "M", the most important letter in CANSLIM. It = must have=20 taken hours of preparation and speaks to his generosity with his=20 time.
 
Tom=20 was also a fierce defender of the integrity of the list and was = always=20 quick to jump on those who were disingenuous, abusive, mischievous = or=20 exploitative. The fact that there is little of that compared to other = stock=20 information bulletin boards is in part due to Tom's=20 diligence.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
Proactive = Technologies,=20 LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff=20 Salisbury
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great = sadness=20 and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He = was=20 apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past=20 weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who = passed away=20 from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when = Katherine=20 Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact = Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was = informed=20 of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this = announcement=20 that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C31543.A6276E60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gasta, Jeff" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 15:35:13 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31598.F1A89D3C Content-Type: text/plain Tom was one of the first to welcome me to this group and he replied to almost every message posted. He freely shared his time and knowledge with all. He always had a great sense of humor. No doubt he will be rewarded for his many kind deeds. Tom, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Jeffrey Gasta -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31598.F1A89D3C Content-Type: text/html

Tom was one of the first to welcome me to this group and he replied to almost every message posted.  He freely shared his time and knowledge with all.  He always had a great sense of humor.  No doubt he will be rewarded for his many kind deeds.  Tom, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

Jeffrey Gasta

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Salisbury [mailto:Jeff.Salisbury@WallStreet-LLC.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:40 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement

 

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg

 

Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31598.F1A89D3C-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Gerber" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 12:41:53 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_082C_01C3155F.341D2EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom always presented himself as a calm, self-assured gentleman, generous = with is time and praise and adamant in his defense of the integrity of = the Board. He will be sorely missed among us. I look forward to = meeting him later. God bless Tom and his family. Dave Gerber ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_082C_01C3155F.341D2EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom always presented himself as a calm, = self-assured gentleman, generous with is time and praise and adamant in = his=20 defense of the integrity of the Board.  He will be sorely missed = among=20 us.  I look forward to meeting him later.  God bless Tom and = his=20 family.
 
Dave Gerber
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_082C_01C3155F.341D2EB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marcf" Subject: [CANSLIM] In our prayers Date: 08 May 2003 16:30:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3157F.172C1260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too was a lurker! Really enjoyed Tom's opinions and thought's. May he rest in peace! God Bless Marc Marc Fournier marcf@erols.com Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipients. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3157F.172C1260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too was a lurker! Really enjoyed = Tom's=20 opinions and thought's.
 
May he rest in peace!
 
God Bless
 
Marc
 
 

Marc Fournier
marcf@erols.com

Corruptisima republica plurimae leges.  [The = more corrupt=20 a republic, the more laws.]  - - Tacitus, Annuals III = 27

This email and any attachments thereto may contain = private,=20 confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended=20 recipients.  Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or = any=20 attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not = the=20 intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and = permanently delete=20 the original and any copies of this email and any attachments=20 thereto.

 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C3157F.172C1260-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 13:46:19 -0700 A generous and kind spirit. Generous with his time and knowledge, kind in his patience and encouragement. A sad end to the week. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:37 AM Hi Dan, It happened over the weekend of 4/26. We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to Tom's sister. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: : : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker, I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right direction :(IMO). I will miss him. : : Jim Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sanghvi, Rocky \(Lodestar\)" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 16:58:12 -0400 Yes, we all feel sad in our hearts. Tom is many ways was family. Instead of being sad, I will try to remember his many contributions and celebrate his life. A life lived well is a life worth living. However suddenly ended. His legacy will endure if we take to heart his comments (I have several emails of his printed and stored) and use them. I will greatly miss the WWW. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robin Gridley Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:46 PM A generous and kind spirit. Generous with his time and knowledge, kind in his patience and encouragement. A sad end to the week. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:37 AM Hi Dan, It happened over the weekend of 4/26. We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to Tom's sister. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: : : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a lurker, I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. He always had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in the right direction :(IMO). I will miss him. : : Jim Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joan Sherman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 16:56:56 -0400 I am stunned, shocked and very very saddened to hear about the passing of Tom Worley..............his generosity sustained me, his kindness so refreshing, the knowledge he tirelessly shared....what a senseless loss..........may he find peace everlasting and maybe a reunion with his dear wife on the other side.............please extend my sympathy to his family thru this forum....I will miss him very much, God bless you Tom, Joan Sherman - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris McShaffrey" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 13:56:20 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C31569.9A4C8000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm shocked and saddened. Although I never met Tom, I learned alot from = him - - he was very much a part of my life. =20 My heart is weeping.. Chris Mc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C31569.9A4C8000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm shocked and = saddened. =20 Although I never met Tom, I learned alot from him  - - he was very = much a=20 part of my life. 
 
My heart is = weeping..
 
Chris Mc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C31569.9A4C8000-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mendheart@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 17:22:28 EDT This is a major loss to our CANSLIM community. Tom was a man of great intellect and integrity and will be missed by all. In his caring and compassionate way, he patiently assisted newbies, shared his thoughts with insight, and more importantly, respected each and every opinion. I rarely commented here but clearly stayed because of Tom's presence. I will honor his memory by trying to emulate him. May God bless his family. Denny (mendheart@aol.com) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Yoder Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 14:36:50 -0700 From another lurker: Tom sounds like the kind of person I would like to have known personally. We've all lost a lot.        Dick

Jeff Salisbury wrote:
Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner

- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TA" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 16:41:11 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C31580.A1F9B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am moved to tears. Mr. Worley cared about the community, and was well = admired by all. ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:39 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C31580.A1F9B680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am moved to tears.  Mr. Worley cared about = the=20 community, and was well admired by all.
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic = Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I = reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C31580.A1F9B680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Fulling" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 08 May 2003 14:59:00 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C31572.5BEBA210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in honor of tom' memory i am going to work harder to help others. & to = be thankful for every day that i have the opportunity to help others as = tom did. jim fulling the north idaho luncker ------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C31572.5BEBA210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
in honor of tom' memory i am going to = work harder=20 to help others. & to be thankful for every day that i have the = opportunity=20 to help others as tom did.
jim fulling
the north idaho = luncker
------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C31572.5BEBA210-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 15:01:54 -0700 (PDT) ------=_Part_12797_515173.1052431277996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm shocked... Tom was the first one to help me in this group when I started a few years back. He was one of the folks that you really stopped to read what he had to say. He had a knack for finding that hidden "thing" that would explain a rise or fall. More importantly, he treated everyone here with respect no matter how "silly" a question may have seemed. His passing marks a milestone in my investing career that will not be soon forgoten. Rest in peace Tom. -- Bill Triffet ------=_Part_12797_515173.1052431277996 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; name=MESSAGE.HTML; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=MESSAGE.HTML Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_Part_12797_515173.1052431277996-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMencke@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 18:10:57 -0400 I'm so sorry to hear about Tom's untimely passing. He was always generous with his time, knowledge and experience, and taught many. I'll miss him a lot. Claire Mencke - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maria McAdams" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 18:28:47 -0500 Oh my God, just a few days ago I was writing to say how I missed Tom's Weekend Weeview... I am shocked and deeply saddened by this announcement. And as I weep about this loss, I wonder about my own death - not now, always l-a-t-e-r... Tom touched my life in a very special way. He was my favorite teacher. Thank God, I had an opportunity to thank him for sharing himself with me and others so unselfishly. Tom you are bright star! Please tell Tom's family how appreciative I am for Tom's life and that I am offering daily prayers for their sorrow. Sincerely, Maria McAdams - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJAskey@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 19:37:24 EDT --part1_a4.36fde794.2bec4434_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Tom. It was a pleasure reading your hard work. Andy Askey --part1_a4.36fde794.2bec4434_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Tom.  It was a pleasure reading your h= ard work.

Andy Askey --part1_a4.36fde794.2bec4434_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rchodes" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 20:23:59 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3159F.C20CADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom was very generous in sharing his time and talents with this group. = It was very sad to hear the news of his untimely death. He will be = missed. Bob Hodes ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3159F.C20CADA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom was very generous in sharing his = time and=20 talents with this group. It was very sad to hear the news of his = untimely=20 death.  He will be missed.
 
Bob Hodes
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3159F.C20CADA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill King" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 21:21:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C315A7.C2E75C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As many have already said, I am shocked and saddened by Tom's tragic death. He was one of the mainstays of this board - more than willing to spend his time to answer questions and educate us. A true gentleman and canslimmer that will be missed in many ways. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C315A7.C2E75C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As= many have already said, I am shocked and saddened by Tom’s tragic = death. He was one of the mainstays of this board – more than willing to spend his = time to answer questions and educate us. A true gentleman and canslimmer that will be missed in = many ways.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury
Sent: Thursday, May 08, = 2003 11:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley: Tragic Announcement

 

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his = son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and = when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human = resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his = office: =

    Please be = advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in = the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th = Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. = 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper = article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the = following links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg<= /p>

 <= /p>

Tom wrote this bio = himself:<= /p>

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm<= /p>


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new = participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time = and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, = gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife = in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C315A7.C2E75C90-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 18:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Wow! I am completely stunned. I noticed that Tom had not posted in over a week - and figured his computer must be down. I've known Tom since the inception of this list (late '96, I think). I meet him early on - because I joined in the first week. I haven't been on this list all the time (most) - but I've been a lurker for the last few years. I was quite active in the first couple years, and learned a lot from Tom and made good friends with him. He's single-handedly kept this list going over some hard, early times. Before Katherine Malm came aboard, he was the most prolific poster by a factor of at least 4. I am convinced we would NOT be here discussing CANSLIM if it weren't for Tom - despite Jeff's best efforts. Once, Tom contacted me (when I mentioned my company was hiring) asking if there was an opening for his son, and because it was Tom - I followed up internally. I'd be crushed if its the same son that Tom was looking out for. Wow, again! This might be the first time I'm fighting back tears for someone I never actually met in person. --- Jeff Salisbury wrote: > Fellow CANSLIM'rs, > > With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of > Tom > Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his > son > over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart > wife > who passed away from cancer a few years ago. > > I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed > concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his > office, > and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. > Tom's > human resource officer sent me this announcement that was > circulated at > his office: > > Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas > > Worley at > Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the > morning . > Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and > N.W. 2nd > Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th > Street exit on > I-9. > > Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary > or > newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found > and > compiled the following links: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg > > Tom wrote this bio himself: > > http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm > > I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private > email > regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by > phone. > > Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our > CANSLIM > email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM > community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning > of our > CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our > membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to > every > new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and > gently > give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our > community. > > In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a > sensitive, > gentle, and thoughtful soul. > > Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife > in a > joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. > > Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner > ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 21:46:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C315AB.48C31040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I, too, am shocked to hear the news of Tom's death. It's odd that he is = the only person on the list that I have "seen" (in photo that appeared = in IBD some months back), and now he is gone. It also seems odd that he = would be killed, as he seemed to epitomize calmness, fairness, balance, = courtesy--the anthesis of violence. We, on this list, share an interest in investing, i.e. making money. But = death always puts things in perspective. If I make money in the market, = I hope to use it to add to the good in the world. And if I lose money, I = hope to realize that it's only money... Thank you Tom, for sharing your wisdom with us. Ann H. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C315AB.48C31040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I, too, am shocked to hear the news of = Tom's death.=20 It's odd that he is the only person on the list that I have "seen" (in = photo=20 that appeared in IBD some months back), and now he is gone. It also = seems odd=20 that he would be killed, as he seemed to epitomize calmness, fairness, = balance,=20 courtesy--the anthesis of violence.
 
We, on this list, share an interest in = investing,=20 i.e. making money. But death always puts things in perspective. If I = make money=20 in the market, I hope to use it to add to the good in the world. = And if I=20 lose money, I hope to realize that it's only money...
 
Thank you Tom, for sharing your wisdom = with=20 us.
 
Ann H.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 11:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C315AB.48C31040-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Rolf, Yea, the industry rank if from IBD. As for the "not good" and "just OK" comments, it is more of subjective view. tomas --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > When you mention the Industry Rank of 38 (not good) > and 19 (just OK), are > you referring to the rank on IBD's 197 group list? > > Thanks! > Rolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > > > > Chris, > > > > Here's my take. > > > > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if > this > > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below > the > > left cup. > > > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like > a > > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed > yet. > > > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which > is > > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The > BO is > > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider > that, > > then today price is well extended and today's big > > volume with price jump might be a good sign to > sell. > > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > > whole boat? :). > > > > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any > comments > > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice > analysis. > > > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty > good, > > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation > @ > > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But > I > > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone > else > > > see this? Does that make it any more > significant? > > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of > 18 on > > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks > pretty > > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon MacMahon Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 11:43:46 +0900 --Apple-Mail-2--1020901389 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have been lurking on this list for a while now and always appreciated=20= the intelligence and civility that Tom brought to the group. I regret=20= now not having introduced myself sooner. For I am sure he would have=20 been the first to welcomed me. > Fellow CANSLIM'rs, > > With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom=20= > Worley.=A0 He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son=20= > over this past weekend.=A0 He was preceded in death by his sweetheart=20= > wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. > > I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed=20 > concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.=A0 I called his=20 > office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 > tragedy.=A0 Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that=20 > was circulated at his office: > > =A0=A0=A0 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. = Thomas=20 > Worley at > =A0=A0=A0 Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the = morning . > =A0=A0=A0 Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street = and N.W.=20 > 2nd > =A0=A0=A0 Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th = Street=20 > exit on > =A0=A0=A0 I-9. > > Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or=20= > newspaper article.=A0 However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found = and=20 > compiled the following links: > > =A0=A0=A0 http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt > =A0=A0=A0 http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg > =A0 > Tom wrote this bio himself: > > =A0=A0=A0http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm > > I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email=20= > regularly and often.=A0 I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone. > > Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our=20 > CANSLIM email community.=A0 Most likely Tom has been a member of our=20= > CANSLIM community longer than any other person. =A0Right from the=20 > beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal=20 > instincts towards our membership.=A0 Through the years, Tom = consistently=20 > reached out to every new participant.=A0 He would welcome them, and = then=20 > generously and gently give of his time and talents.=A0 Tom was truly = the=20 > father of our community. > > In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a=20 > sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. > > Tom, I'll miss you!=A0 I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in = a=20 > joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. > > Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner= --Apple-Mail-2--1020901389 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been lurking on this list for a while now and always appreciated the intelligence and civility that Tom brought to the group. I regret now not having introduced myself sooner. For I am sure he would have been the first to welcomed me. =20 Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.=A0 He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.=A0 He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.=A0 I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.=A0 Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: =A0=A0=A0 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. = Thomas Worley at =A0=A0=A0 Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the = morning . =A0=A0=A0 Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and = N.W. 2nd =A0=A0=A0 Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th = Street exit on =A0=A0=A0 I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.=A0 However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: =A0=A0=A0 = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.cwhcharts.com/ka= therine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt =A0=A0=A0 = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.cwhcharts.com/ka= therine/TomWorley011002.jpg =A0 Tom wrote this bio himself: = =A0=A0=A01999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.souza.c= om/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.=A0 I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.=A0 Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. =A0Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.=A0 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.=A0 He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.=A0 Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you!=A0 I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner= --Apple-Mail-2--1020901389-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Weiss Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 19:45:59 -0700 (PDT) --0-220300722-1052448359=:51777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure I'm one of a great many who are surprised and shocked at Tom Worley's untimely death. Like many others in our group I've benefited by his kindness, caring and intelligence. Perhaps someone can suggest a way for us to express our feelings by contributing to his favorite charity or ???? in his honor. Jerry Weiss rchodes wrote:Tom was very generous in sharing his time and talents with this group. It was very sad to hear the news of his untimely death. He will be missed. Bob Hodes----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Salisbury To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AMSubject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner --0-220300722-1052448359=:51777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm sure I'm one of a great many who are surprised and shocked at Tom Worley's untimely death. Like many others in our group I've benefited by his kindness, caring and intelligence.   Perhaps someone can suggest a way for us to express our feelings by contributing to his favorite charity or ???? in his honor. 
 
Jerry Weiss
 
rchodes <rchodes@charter.net> wrote:
Tom was very generous in sharing his time and talents with this group. It was very sad to hear the news of his untimely death.  He will be missed.
 
Bob Hodes
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office:

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner
--0-220300722-1052448359=:51777-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 21:52:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C315AC.24BCD860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry, We don't yet have information on donations, but I hope to have it shortly. I'll post it here for those who wish to make a contribution. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Weiss Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement I'm sure I'm one of a great many who are surprised and shocked at Tom Worley's untimely death. Like many others in our group I've benefited by his kindness, caring and intelligence. Perhaps someone can suggest a way for us to express our feelings by contributing to his favorite charity or ???? in his honor. Jerry Weiss ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C315AC.24BCD860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry,
 
We don't yet have information on = donations,=20 but I hope to have it shortly. I'll post it here for those who wish to = make a=20 contribution.

Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry=20 Weiss
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley: Tragic=20 Announcement

I'm sure I'm one of a great many who are surprised and = shocked=20 at Tom Worley's untimely death. Like many others in our = group I've=20 benefited by his kindness, caring and intelligence.  =  Perhaps=20 someone can suggest a way for us to express our feelings by = contributing=20 to his favorite charity or ???? in his honor.  =
 
Jerry Weiss
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C315AC.24BCD860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KLall1112@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 22:57:13 EDT --part1_150.1efd9ecf.2bec7309_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We will all miss Tom, a decent person who was sincerely devoted to this group. Kris --part1_150.1efd9ecf.2bec7309_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will all miss Tom, a decent person who was sincerel= y devoted to this group.

Kris --part1_150.1efd9ecf.2bec7309_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 08 May 2003 20:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, Hmm, interesting. I don't see WON mentioning about the handle locating above the left side of the cup. Base on your experienc, do you see this type of formation often? And do you consider this a stronger or weaker C&H than the C&H with the usual handle below the left side of the cup and above the 200 DMA? I'll be keeping track of this stock to see what it does. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Chris, Tomas, > > COLM is etching a "high handle". That is, a handle > which forms a bit above > the left side of the cup. In this case, it's about > 2% above. While valid > handles form above the midpoint of the cup, there is > nothing to keep them > from forming higher. This one is high due to the big > recent gap up on the > right side of the cup. Here's a look at the chart of > COLM with some comments > on the CE Scores and basing pattern: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM050703.JPG > > In general, all three of these stocks fall into what > I refer to as the > "green" zone based on the combination of > fundamentals and technicals. That > makes them worth reviewing in greater detail to find > their > strengths/weaknesses. See how they fall into line > with respect to all > possible CE Scores: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CEMap050703.JPG > > (To review the methodology for deriving the scores > and mapping them see > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_methodology.htm > and > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_zone_methodology.htm) > > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:05 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? > > > Chris, > > Here's my take. > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if > this > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below > the > left cup. > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed > yet. > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO > is > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, > then today price is well extended and today's big > volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > whole boat? :). > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any > comments > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty > good, > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 > on > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Chris > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Canfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 23:04:53 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C315B6.3C4D83D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can we somehow include in Tom's eulogy, or at least express to his = sister, that he was a friend to many who will truly miss his friendship, = counsel, and wisdom? Even though we knew him only via email, we all = "knew" him as a friend and coach, and we "knew" him no less than any = student knew a teacher, any protege knew a mentor... We all at least = figuratively loved this man, and we will all sorely miss him and his = wisdom. We have all suffered an immeasurable loss in his passing. At first, I was speachless upon learning of his passing, but upon = reflection, I truly wish to express to his family, friends and heirs how = much Tom truly brightened the mornings, or weeks of many he never ever = met by simply "leading" this forum. Though I never "met" Tom, and = rarely directly coresponded with him, I truly feel I've lost a friend, = and lost a teacher. I came to tears when I learned of his death. His family needs to know how much he was regarded by we, who never met = him, but have come to cherish him. =20 Tom, thank you, We miss you. God's love to you. Rest in peace.... Don Canfield ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C315B6.3C4D83D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can we somehow include in Tom's eulogy, = or at least=20 express to his sister, that he was a friend to many who will truly miss = his=20 friendship, counsel, and wisdom?  Even though we knew him only via = email,=20 we all "knew" him as a friend and coach, and we "knew" him no less than = any=20 student knew a teacher, any protege knew a mentor...   We all = at least=20 figuratively loved this man, and we will all sorely miss him and his=20 wisdom.  We have all suffered an immeasurable loss in his=20 passing.
 
At first, I was speachless upon = learning of his=20 passing, but upon reflection, I truly wish to express to his family, = friends and=20 heirs how much Tom truly brightened the mornings, or weeks of many he = never ever=20 met by simply "leading" this forum.  Though I never "met" Tom, and = rarely=20 directly coresponded with him, I truly feel I've lost a friend, and = lost a=20 teacher.  I came to tears when I learned of his = death.
 
His family needs to know how much he = was regarded=20 by we, who never met him, but have come to cherish him.  =
 
Tom, thank you, We miss you.  = God's love to=20 you.
 
Rest in peace....
 
Don Canfield
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 11:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C315B6.3C4D83D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout -- Aetna (AET) Date: 08 May 2003 20:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Hmmm, Fundies not too sure about. Everything looks good except SMR is a D And the CE zone is yellow (4-2). I'm not sure about the handle, I guess it looks ok. The cup looks like a one year base not two years. tomas --- Pritish Shah wrote: > > > AET broke out over last few days on above-average > volume and is continuing the trend today on 3x > volume today. > > To me it looks like a cup with a high handle that > has based for last two years. > > In remembering Tom, I say this: Over last six > months, it has been an LLUR. > > Tom: May you rest in eternal peace and eternal > bliss. Yours was the only email that I diligently > saved everyweek to study again and again. Thank you > for giving us a part of you by sharing your > knowledge with us. You will be remembered and missed > every weekend. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Bekin" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 08 May 2003 17:17:07 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E1B_01C31585.A6F343E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we who have know Tom "virtually" for all these years have all been = saving and collecting our favorite messages from him I propose we put together a web page with the "Best of Worley", as a = showplace for his intelligence, astuteness as an investor, sense of = humor, kindness and caring - let that be a permanent tribute to this = "mensch" who has touched so many lives ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Fulling=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley in honor of tom' memory i am going to work harder to help others. & to = be thankful for every day that i have the opportunity to help others as = tom did. jim fulling the north idaho luncker ------=_NextPart_000_0E1B_01C31585.A6F343E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
we who have know Tom "virtually" for = all these=20 years have all been saving and collecting our favorite messages = from=20 him
 
I propose we put together a web page with the = "Best of=20 Worley", as a showplace for his intelligence, astuteness as an investor, = sense=20 of humor, kindness and caring - let that be a permanent tribute to this = "mensch"=20 who has touched so many lives
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim = Fulling
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 4:59=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley

in honor of tom' memory i am going to = work harder=20 to help others. & to be thankful for every day that i have the = opportunity=20 to help others as tom did.
jim fulling
the north idaho=20 luncker
------=_NextPart_000_0E1B_01C31585.A6F343E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Goertzen" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 22:02:27 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C315AD.8350C520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am deeply saddened by Tom's passing, as is everyone associated with = this list. The outpouring of feelings from so many confirms that even = though we knew Tom only through out electronic interaction, we did = indeed know him to be a deeply generous and ethical person. At the very = least, I hope that we can integrate more of those characteristics into = our own lives and relationships. =20 Doug Goertzen Overland Park, KS [...snipped...] ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C315AD.8350C520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am deeply saddened by Tom's passing, = as is=20 everyone associated with this list.  The outpouring of feelings = from so=20 many confirms that even though we knew Tom only through out electronic=20 interaction, we did indeed know him to be a deeply generous and ethical=20 person.  At the very least, I hope that we can integrate more of = those=20 characteristics into our own lives and relationships.  =
 
Doug Goertzen
Overland Park, KS
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I am deeply saddened by Tom's passing, = as is=20 everyone associated with this list.  The outpouring of feelings = from so=20 many confirms that even though we knew Tom only through out electronic=20 interaction, we did indeed know him to be a deeply generous and ethical=20 person.  At the very least, I hope that we can integrate more of = those=20 characteristics into our own lives and relationships.  =
 
Doug Goertzen
Overland Park, KS
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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C315AD.8350C520-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout -- Aetna (AET) Date: 09 May 2003 12:56:47 +0700 Looks like a one year base to me. Revenue growth looks iffy. ROE is only 8.74. Long term "projected" earnings growth is pretty good. The relative strength line is lagging price movement. I think there are more interesting stocks out there, and would probably give AET a miss. Peter Pritish Shah wrote: >AET broke out over last few days on above-average volume and is continuing the trend today on 3x volume today. > >To me it looks like a cup with a high handle that has based for last two years. > >In remembering Tom, I say this: Over last six months, it has been an LLUR. > >Tom: May you rest in eternal peace and eternal bliss. Yours was the only email that I diligently saved everyweek to study again and again. Thank you for giving us a part of you by sharing your knowledge with us. You will be remembered and missed every weekend. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Sparrow Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 09 May 2003 08:49:11 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31629.6359DE10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31629.6359DE10" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31629.6359DE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have been a lurker as well, off and on, over the past two years. Tom was always the first to offer insightful direction. I can't tell you how many times I have re-read Jeff's original message. Even as a lurker it has taken some time to accept this, I can't imagine how those of you who corresponded with him on a regular basis feel right now. May God bless those family and friends that remain, Jerry Sparrow ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31629.6359DE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have been a lurker as well, off and on, over the past two years.  Tom was always the first to offer insightful direction.  I can't tell you how many times I have re-read Jeff's original message.  Even as a lurker it has taken some time to accept this, I can't imagine how those of you who corresponded with him on a regular basis feel right now.
 
May God bless those family and friends that remain,
 

Jerry Sparrow

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31629.6359DE10-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31629.6359DE10 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jerry Sparrow.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jerry Sparrow.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Sparrow;Jerry FN:Jerry Sparrow EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jsparrow@Biscuitville.com REV:20020819T151228Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31629.6359DE10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout -- Aetna (AET) Date: 09 May 2003 08:28:51 -0500 Hi Pritish, I'll have to agree with Peter on this one. Even in a preponderance of evidence look at the fundamentals, AET is pretty lousy with 4.86 of a possible 11 fundamental points in our system. Not only that, but it's been making a half hearted attempt at breaking above its $50 pivot set on 3/31 and is now just churning. See a chart denoting the base at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/AET050803.JPG with a close up of the action since the pivot at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/AET050803Detail.JPG There are far better stocks in this group. For example, MME and CVH are leading with recent successful breakouts. Other stocks with good fundamentals include CNTE (which is currently setting up with a very nice base and a pivot at $34.60) and SIE. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Peter Christiansen Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:57 PM Looks like a one year base to me. Revenue growth looks iffy. ROE is only 8.74. Long term "projected" earnings growth is pretty good. The relative strength line is lagging price movement. I think there are more interesting stocks out there, and would probably give AET a miss. Peter Pritish Shah wrote: >AET broke out over last few days on above-average volume and is continuing the trend today on 3x volume today. > >To me it looks like a cup with a high handle that has based for last two years. > >In remembering Tom, I say this: Over last six months, it has been an LLUR. > >Tom: May you rest in eternal peace and eternal bliss. Yours was the only email that I diligently saved everyweek to study again and again. Thank you for giving us a part of you by sharing your knowledge with us. You will be remembered and missed every weekend. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nancy polcaro" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 08 May 2003 17:47:14 -0700 I cried today when I read this news. Another tragedy in the world, but this time it touched us. I went offlist many times to ask Tom questions because he didn't make me feel like I was wasting his time, or matching wits, or just not smart enough to get it -one more time. He never told me what to do , but patiently explained procedures so I could try to figure out what to do. Im sure he lived his life off board just as he did on the board-helping people. He spent his time laying his bricks in heaven and I know when he went home to his father, his house was waiting. May he and his wife have peace everlasting. amen ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:58 PM > Yes, we all feel sad in our hearts. > Tom is many ways was family. Instead of being sad, I will try to > remember his many contributions and celebrate his life. A life lived > well is a life worth living. However suddenly ended. His legacy will > endure if we take to heart his comments (I have several emails of his > printed and stored) and use them. I will greatly miss the WWW. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robin Gridley > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:46 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement > > > A generous and kind spirit. Generous with his time and knowledge, kind > in his patience and encouragement. A sad end to the week. Our thoughts > and prayers are with him and his family. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:37 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement > > > Hi Dan, > > It happened over the weekend of 4/26. > > We'll be forwarding condolences from those on the CANSLIM list to Tom's > sister. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Musicant > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:27 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement > > > On Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:17 -0400, you wrote: > > : > : I am deeply saddened to here about Tom. Though I was mostly a > lurker, I :always looked forward to Tom's opinion with great interest. > He always had :patience with new members, and kept the group headed in > the right direction :(IMO). I will miss him. > : > : Jim > > Yes, Tom was a rudder for the CANSLIM listserve. Hopefully it won't lose > direction. I fell off the list due to an unintended bounce (it's > happened many timse due to my spam filtering, and always inadvertently), > and I didn't bother reregistering until the markets started rallying in > earnest - reregistered about a week ago, but there have been no posts by > Tom since then, May 1st 8:11 PM. Does anyone know when this happened? I > tried online Florida papers and didn't find anything. > > Yes, he will be missed. RIP TXW. Life goes on... > > Dan > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bert Pesak" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 10:13:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C31613.A53A31B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was shocked to read about Tom's death. He was always a patient teacher and I learned a lot from him. I will certainly miss his wise words and I'm sure the people who knew = him personally will miss him more. Bert Pesak ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C31613.A53A31B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was shocked to read about Tom's = death.
 
He was always a patient teacher and I learned a lot = from=20 him.
 
I will certainly miss his wise words and I'm sure = the people=20 who knew him personally will miss him more.
 
Bert Pesak
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 11:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C31613.A53A31B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 10:20:08 EDT Tom: I never met you, but you were a great friend. Since the mid-90's I've stayed with this forum, and you are one of the chief reasons why I stayed. No matter how many questions I asked, you (on or off the forum line), answered. And invariably ALL the answers were on point and related to the question(s) I asked. I'll miss your wise counsel; your sense of humor; and your always bright, cheery-yet cynical (who can't be cynical after working in the Market for so many years) demeanor. I'm sure many on this forum will remember you. Forever. And I will be one. You, Tom Worley, were singular, and will be sorely missed. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 09 May 2003 09:28:00 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31637.31AB72B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I share everyone's astonishment and sense of loss that comes with the = news of a "friend's" passing. I went back through my email today = searching for emails Tom had sent me directly, in response to "newbie" = questions- it was quite clear that Tom was a devoted teacher, mentor, = and human being to all, including those he had just met. Additionally, = Tom was a master of his craft and generous in sharing his knowledge = which was highly advanced and refined. I looked forward to receiving his = Weekend Weeview and have missed it over the past few weeks - his = comments were always like a compass unaffected by media or the "herd = mentality" he so often spoke about. I too agree that something positive = should come from this outpouring of mourning. Tom should be remembered = in a manner that reflects his personality, heart, and soul. I hope that = the group can find someway to remember Tom and his contributions in such = a way that future group members will learn about this great man, his = contributions, and most of all- learn from all the things he had to = teach us. =20 Kelly -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:17 PM we who have know Tom "virtually" for all these years have all been = saving and collecting our favorite messages from him =20 I propose we put together a web page with the "Best of Worley", as a = showplace for his intelligence, astuteness as an investor, sense of = humor, kindness and caring - let that be a permanent tribute to this = "mensch" who has touched so many lives ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:59 PM in honor of tom' memory i am going to work harder to help others. & to = be thankful for every day that i have the opportunity to help others as = tom did. jim fulling the north idaho luncker ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31637.31AB72B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 share everyone's astonishment and sense of loss that comes with the news = of a=20 "friend's" passing. I went back through my email today searching for = emails Tom=20 had sent me directly, in response to "newbie" questions- it was quite = clear that=20 Tom was a devoted teacher, mentor, and human being to all, including = those he=20 had just met. Additionally, Tom was a master of his craft and generous = in=20 sharing his knowledge which was highly advanced and refined. I looked = forward to=20 receiving his Weekend Weeview and have missed it over the past few weeks = - his=20 comments were always like a compass unaffected by media or the "herd = mentality"=20 he so often spoke about. I too agree that something positive should come = from=20 this outpouring of mourning. Tom should be remembered in a manner that = reflects=20 his personality, heart, and soul. I hope that the group can find someway = to=20 remember Tom and his contributions in such a way that future group = members will=20 learn about this great man, his contributions, and most of all- learn = from all=20 the things he had to teach us.
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Bekin=20 [mailto:rbekin@callardassetmanagement.com]
Sent: Thursday, = May 08,=20 2003 5:17 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Tom Worley

we who have know Tom "virtually" for = all these=20 years have all been saving and collecting our favorite messages = from=20 him
 
I propose we put together a web page with the = "Best of=20 Worley", as a showplace for his intelligence, astuteness as an = investor, sense=20 of humor, kindness and caring - let that be a permanent tribute to = this=20 "mensch" who has touched so many lives
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim = Fulling=20
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 4:59=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley

in honor of tom' memory i am going = to work=20 harder to help others. & to be thankful for every day that i = have the=20 opportunity to help others as tom did.
jim fulling
the north idaho=20 luncker
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31637.31AB72B1-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: surindra Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 09 May 2003 10:42:31 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C31617.B1D3C310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will miss Tom a lot. He was one of my frequent chat people on instant message (texworley). We use to talk about our families among other things. I am sorry to hear about this loss. Please pass my condolences to the canslimers. Regards Surindra Singh ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C31617.B1D3C310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I will miss Tom a lot. He was one of my frequent chat = people on instant message (texworley). We use to talk about our families among = other things. I am sorry to hear about this loss. Please pass my condolences = to the canslimers.

 

Regards

 

Surindra Singh

------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C31617.B1D3C310-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 09 May 2003 10:17:49 -0500 Hi Tomas, High handles aren't nearly as common as handles lower in the base, but they do pop up now and then. In COLM's case, the gap on the right side of the base contributed to this formation. While most stocks will take a wandering path up the right side of the base, rising and falling back several times before setting up a valid handle for a breakout, COLM shot straight up. The pause to absorb the move (thus forming a handle) would then happen higher and much closer to the resistance on the left side of the base. In my mind, the first requirements of a handle are that the midpoint of the handle is above the midpoint of the base (showing the ability of the stock to retrace the correction and shore up power for the remaining move up), and must form above the 200dMA. Until those 2 requirements are met, it's not a valid handle. However, any part of the base from there on up is valid territory and as long as the other necessary technical requirements for the base itself and the handle are met, you're good to go. That means that high handles are just fine, though less common. Here's an article on high handles from my Investor's Corner files: http://www.cwhcharts.com/Katherine/HotStocksHighHandles.JPG If I remember right, COLM is an old favorite of Norm Boyd's....maybe he can shed some light for you. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:00 PM Katherine, Hmm, interesting. I don't see WON mentioning about the handle locating above the left side of the cup. Base on your experienc, do you see this type of formation often? And do you consider this a stronger or weaker C&H than the C&H with the usual handle below the left side of the cup and above the 200 DMA? I'll be keeping track of this stock to see what it does. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Chris, Tomas, > > COLM is etching a "high handle". That is, a handle > which forms a bit above > the left side of the cup. In this case, it's about > 2% above. While valid > handles form above the midpoint of the cup, there is > nothing to keep them > from forming higher. This one is high due to the big > recent gap up on the > right side of the cup. Here's a look at the chart of > COLM with some comments > on the CE Scores and basing pattern: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM050703.JPG > > In general, all three of these stocks fall into what > I refer to as the > "green" zone based on the combination of > fundamentals and technicals. That > makes them worth reviewing in greater detail to find > their > strengths/weaknesses. See how they fall into line > with respect to all > possible CE Scores: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CEMap050703.JPG > > (To review the methodology for deriving the scores > and mapping them see > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_methodology.htm > and > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_zone_methodology.htm) > > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:05 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? > > > Chris, > > Here's my take. > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if > this > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below > the > left cup. > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like a > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed > yet. > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which is > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The BO > is > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider that, > then today price is well extended and today's big > volume with price jump might be a good sign to sell. > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > whole boat? :). > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any > comments > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice analysis. > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty > good, > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation @ > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But I > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone else > > see this? Does that make it any more significant? > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of 18 > on > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Chris > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: SSYS (was: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?) Date: 09 May 2003 10:52:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C31619.05F4AB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Avi, SSYS has a lot going for it fundamentally, though ROE and forward growth is a little low. Technically it's firing on all cylinders and therein lies the problem. It's too late to find a safe entry point, as it's already extended from a base. See an annotated chart at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SSYS050803Wkly.JPG Good markets provide plenty of opportunity, but better to lower the risk by finding a leading stock with sound fundamentals making a fresh breakout from a sound base. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:40 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: SSYS (was: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?) It appeared on the breakout report a few days ago, I checked the rating on the IBD site and they looked good. P/E not too high. I'm new to IDB/CANSLIM method. Thanks Avi Bistricer, DBA 212.460.6695 bistricera@coned.com -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:27 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: SSYS (was: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?) Avi, What about the stock catches *your* eye (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)? Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Any opinion on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks Avi Bistricer, DBA 212.460.6695 bistricera@coned.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C31619.05F4AB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Avi,
 
SSYS has a lot going for it = fundamentally,=20 though ROE and forward growth is a little low. Technically it's firing = on all=20 cylinders and therein lies the problem. It's too late to find a safe = entry=20 point, as it's already extended from a base. See an annotated chart=20 at:
 
http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/SSYS050803Wkly.JPG
 
Good markets provide plenty of = opportunity,=20 but better to lower the risk by finding a leading stock with sound = fundamentals=20 making a fresh breakout from a sound base.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:40 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: SSYS (was: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

It = appeared on=20 the breakout report a few days ago, I checked the = rating
on = the IBD site=20 and they looked good. P/E not too high.
 
I'm = new to=20 IDB/CANSLIM method.
 
Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 9:27=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: SSYS = (was:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

Avi,
 
What about the stock catches = *your* eye=20 (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)?
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Comments on=20 COLM, UTSI, HOV?

Any opinion=20 on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C31619.05F4AB20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 09 May 2003 08:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, I gotcha. Thanks you very much for the thorough answer. BTW, the link you provided is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > High handles aren't nearly as common as handles > lower in the base, but they > do pop up now and then. In COLM's case, the gap on > the right side of the > base contributed to this formation. While most > stocks will take a wandering > path up the right side of the base, rising and > falling back several times > before setting up a valid handle for a breakout, > COLM shot straight up. The > pause to absorb the move (thus forming a handle) > would then happen higher > and much closer to the resistance on the left side > of the base. > > In my mind, the first requirements of a handle are > that the midpoint of the > handle is above the midpoint of the base (showing > the ability of the stock > to retrace the correction and shore up power for the > remaining move up), and > must form above the 200dMA. Until those 2 > requirements are met, it's not a > valid handle. However, any part of the base from > there on up is valid > territory and as long as the other necessary > technical requirements for the > base itself and the handle are met, you're good to > go. That means that high > handles are just fine, though less common. > > Here's an article on high handles from my Investor's > Corner files: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/Katherine/HotStocksHighHandles.JPG > > If I remember right, COLM is an old favorite of Norm > Boyd's....maybe he can > shed some light for you. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:00 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? > > > Katherine, > > Hmm, interesting. I don't see WON mentioning about > the handle locating above the left side of the cup. > Base on your experienc, do you see this type of > formation often? And do you consider this a > stronger > or weaker C&H than the C&H with the usual handle > below > the left side of the cup and above the 200 DMA? > > I'll be keeping track of this stock to see what it > does. > > tomas > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Chris, Tomas, > > > > COLM is etching a "high handle". That is, a handle > > which forms a bit above > > the left side of the cup. In this case, it's about > > 2% above. While valid > > handles form above the midpoint of the cup, there > is > > nothing to keep them > > from forming higher. This one is high due to the > big > > recent gap up on the > > right side of the cup. Here's a look at the chart > of > > COLM with some comments > > on the CE Scores and basing pattern: > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM050703.JPG > > > > In general, all three of these stocks fall into > what > > I refer to as the > > "green" zone based on the combination of > > fundamentals and technicals. That > > makes them worth reviewing in greater detail to > find > > their > > strengths/weaknesses. See how they fall into line > > with respect to all > > possible CE Scores: > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CEMap050703.JPG > > > > (To review the methodology for deriving the scores > > and mapping them see > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_methodology.htm > > and > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_zone_methodology.htm) > > > > > > Katherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Tomas > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:05 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, > HOV? > > > > > > Chris, > > > > Here's my take. > > > > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if > > this > > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below > > the > > left cup. > > > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like > a > > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed > > yet. > > > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which > is > > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The > BO > > is > > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider > that, > > then today price is well extended and today's big > > volume with price jump might be a good sign to > sell. > > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > > whole boat? :). > > > > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any > > comments > > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice > analysis. > > > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good, > > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation > @ > > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But > I > > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone > else > > > see this? Does that make it any more > significant? > > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of > 18 > > on > > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks > pretty > > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? Date: 09 May 2003 10:56:45 -0500 Thanks, Tomas. Oops... it's those capital letters spoiling the brew.... try instead: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/HotStocksHighHandles.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:53 AM Katherine, I gotcha. Thanks you very much for the thorough answer. BTW, the link you provided is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > High handles aren't nearly as common as handles > lower in the base, but they > do pop up now and then. In COLM's case, the gap on > the right side of the > base contributed to this formation. While most > stocks will take a wandering > path up the right side of the base, rising and > falling back several times > before setting up a valid handle for a breakout, > COLM shot straight up. The > pause to absorb the move (thus forming a handle) > would then happen higher > and much closer to the resistance on the left side > of the base. > > In my mind, the first requirements of a handle are > that the midpoint of the > handle is above the midpoint of the base (showing > the ability of the stock > to retrace the correction and shore up power for the > remaining move up), and > must form above the 200dMA. Until those 2 > requirements are met, it's not a > valid handle. However, any part of the base from > there on up is valid > territory and as long as the other necessary > technical requirements for the > base itself and the handle are met, you're good to > go. That means that high > handles are just fine, though less common. > > Here's an article on high handles from my Investor's > Corner files: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/Katherine/HotStocksHighHandles.JPG > > If I remember right, COLM is an old favorite of Norm > Boyd's....maybe he can > shed some light for you. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:00 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV? > > > Katherine, > > Hmm, interesting. I don't see WON mentioning about > the handle locating above the left side of the cup. > Base on your experienc, do you see this type of > formation often? And do you consider this a > stronger > or weaker C&H than the C&H with the usual handle > below > the left side of the cup and above the 200 DMA? > > I'll be keeping track of this stock to see what it > does. > > tomas > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Chris, Tomas, > > > > COLM is etching a "high handle". That is, a handle > > which forms a bit above > > the left side of the cup. In this case, it's about > > 2% above. While valid > > handles form above the midpoint of the cup, there > is > > nothing to keep them > > from forming higher. This one is high due to the > big > > recent gap up on the > > right side of the cup. Here's a look at the chart > of > > COLM with some comments > > on the CE Scores and basing pattern: > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM050703.JPG > > > > In general, all three of these stocks fall into > what > > I refer to as the > > "green" zone based on the combination of > > fundamentals and technicals. That > > makes them worth reviewing in greater detail to > find > > their > > strengths/weaknesses. See how they fall into line > > with respect to all > > possible CE Scores: > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CEMap050703.JPG > > > > (To review the methodology for deriving the scores > > and mapping them see > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_methodology.htm > > and > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/CE_zone_methodology.htm) > > > > > > Katherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Tomas > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:05 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, > HOV? > > > > > > Chris, > > > > Here's my take. > > > > > > COLM - Fundies ok, Industry rank is 38. Not good. > > Anyone put a lot of weight on this? Not sure if > > this > > is a "good" CwH. The handle price should be below > > the > > left cup. > > > > UTSI - Not sure about this graph. Does look like > a > > nice CwH. Maybe the handle is not well developed > > yet. > > > > HOV - Fundies is good. Industry rank is 19, which > is > > just ok. I see the handle from 3/21 - 4/1. The > BO > > is > > on 4/2 with increased volume. If you cansider > that, > > then today price is well extended and today's big > > volume with price jump might be a good sign to > sell. > > Anyone agree with my analysis? Or am I missing the > > whole boat? :). > > > > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > > Hi All. Just wondering if anybody had any > > comments > > > on COLM, UTSI, or HOV. Here's my novice > analysis. > > > > > > COLM - Looks like a CwH, does it matter that it > > > gapped down and up? Fundies/IBD looks pretty > > good, > > > but only 12 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Evaluation > @ > > > cwhcharts.com. > > > > > > UTSI - I see a CwH from May-02 to present. But > I > > > also see the Handle as a smaller CwH. Anyone > else > > > see this? Does that make it any more > significant? > > > Fundies/IBD also looks pretty good. 15 out of > 18 > > on > > > the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > HOV - Looks like a CwH. Volume contracted > > > appropriately during the handle. Nice breakout > > > today on 2x ADV. Again, Fundies/IBD looks > pretty > > > good. 14 out of 18 on the CANSLIM Eval. > > > > > > All three stocks are on the IBD100 list. > > > > > > Any of them look particularly tempting? > > > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 12:20:29 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31646.E7DC4480 Content-Type: text/plain If interested, I found this link to a news story about Tom's murder. Warning: though it's a short article, it's disturbing. http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-216223120030428-050401.html -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31646.E7DC4480 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
If=20 interested, I found this link to a news story about Tom's murder.  = Warning:=20 though it's a short article, it's disturbing.
 
http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-216223120030428-0= 50401.html
 
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Jeff Salisbury=20 [mailto:Jeff.Salisbury@WallStreet-LLC.com]
Sent: Thursday, = May 08,=20 2003 10:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With = great=20 sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley.  He=20 was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this = past=20 weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who = passed away=20 from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when = Katherine=20 Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to = contact=20 Tom.  I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was = informed=20 of the tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this = announcement=20 that was circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http= ://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
 &nbs= p; =20 http://w= ww.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/= worley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31646.E7DC4480-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 09 May 2003 08:13:44 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C31602.E89F3740 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01C31602.E89F3740" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C31602.E89F3740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Page 1 I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up 2,000shares are there and = views out there on this stock. It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with his family Aloha Roger ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C31602.E89F3740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Page 1
 

I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up = 2,000shares are=20 there and views out there on this stock.

It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with his family

Aloha

Roger

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God Bless Tom Worley.  He was one = of a kind=20 and will be missed.
------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C3162B.E15D51A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 09 May 2003 14:50:50 -0500 Tom's presence was felt by all on the board. As appropriately stated, our virtual relationship with him was one of patient guidance, respect and insight. How Tom spent his time away from the list is unknown to most of us, but if his writings were any insight, he has touched many lives in a positive way. In light of this tragic event, I have enclosed a piece I received years ago from a close friend and found it appropriate. We will miss you Tom. HOW ARE YOU SPENDING YOUR DASH? I read of a man who stood to speak At the funeral of a friend. He referred to the dates on her tombstone From the beginning...to the end. He noted that first came her date of birth And spoke the following date with tears, But he said what mattered most of all Was the dash between those years. (l 9 0 0 - l 9 7 0) For that dash represents all the time That she spent alive on earth... And now only those who loved her Know what that little line is worth. For it matters not, how much we own; The cars...the house...the cash, What matters is how we live and love And how we spend our dash. So think about this long and hard... Are there things you'd like to change? For you never know how much time is left, That can still be rearranged. If we could just slow down enough To consider what's true and real, And always try to understand The way other people feel. And be less quick to anger, And show appreciation more And love the people in our lives Like we've never loved before. If we treat each other with respect, And more often wear a smile... Remembering that this special dash Might only last a little while. So, when your eulogy's being read With your life's actions to rehash... Would you be proud of the things they say About how you spent your dash? Author Unknown Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bistricer, Avi" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: SSYS Date: 09 May 2003 17:33:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31672.A265F3AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Thanks. I already got burned but since I followed the -8% rule it is not too bad and I'll try to learn from it. =20 =20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:52 AM Hi Avi, =20 SSYS has a lot going for it fundamentally, though ROE and forward growth = is a little low. Technically it's firing on all cylinders and therein = lies the problem. It's too late to find a safe entry point, as it's = already extended from a base. See an annotated chart at: =20 http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SSYS050803Wkly.JPG =20 Good markets provide plenty of opportunity, but better to lower the risk = by finding a leading stock with sound fundamentals making a fresh = breakout from a sound base. =20 Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:40 AM It appeared on the breakout report a few days ago, I checked the rating on the IBD site and they looked good. P/E not too high. =20 I'm new to IDB/CANSLIM method. =20 Thanks=20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:27 AM Avi, =20 What about the stock catches *your* eye (technical, fundamental, = industry, etc.)? =20 Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bistricer, Avi Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM Any opinion on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks=20 =20 Avi Bistricer, DBA=20 212.460.6695=20 bistricera@coned.com=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31672.A265F3AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
   =20 Thanks. I already got burned but since I followed the -8%=20 rule
      it is not too bad and I'll try to = learn from=20 it.
 
       =20
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 11:52=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = SSYS (was:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

Hi Avi,
 
SSYS has a lot going for it = fundamentally,=20 though ROE and forward growth is a little low. Technically it's firing = on all=20 cylinders and therein lies the problem. It's too late to find a safe = entry=20 point, as it's already extended from a base. See an annotated chart=20 at:
 
http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/SSYS050803Wkly.JPG
 
Good markets provide plenty of=20 opportunity, but better to lower the risk by finding a leading stock = with=20 sound fundamentals making a fresh breakout from a=20 sound base.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:40 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: SSYS (was: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

It = appeared on=20 the breakout report a few days ago, I checked the = rating
on = the IBD site=20 and they looked good. P/E not too = high.
 
I'm = new to=20 IDB/CANSLIM method.
 
Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm = [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, = 2003 9:27=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = SSYS (was:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] Comments on COLM, UTSI, HOV?)

Avi,
 
What about the stock catches = *your*=20 eye (technical, fundamental, industry, etc.)?
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Bistricer,=20 Avi
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:24 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Comments on=20 COLM, UTSI, HOV?

Any opinion=20 on SSYS at about $25.00. Thanks 
 

Avi Bistricer, DBA =
212.460.6695
bistricera@coned.com

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31672.A265F3AA-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Hofmann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 14:13:55 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C31635.39C0F2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been (primarily) a lurker here for about 3 or 4 years now. The news = of Tom's tragic and violent death has felt like a ton of bricks crashing = down on me. I can't really add much to what so many others before me = have said. The emotion expressed in these messages, many of which come = from people who knew Tom only through his extreme generosity on this = list, is testimony to what I can only assume was a caring, giving and = loving man. May those he left behind in this world derive at least some = comfort in the knowledge that Tom left a legacy well beyond what even he = could have possibly known. Peace be with Tom and his loved ones in this time of great loss and = sorrow. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas = Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning = . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. = 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street = exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or = newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and = compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our = CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our = CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the = beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts = towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out = to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously = and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of = our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a = sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a = joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C31635.39C0F2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been (primarily) a lurker here for = about 3 or=20 4 years now. The news of Tom's tragic and violent death has felt like a = ton of=20 bricks crashing down on me. I can't really add much to what so many = others=20 before me have said. The emotion expressed in these messages, many = of which=20 come from people who knew Tom only through his extreme generosity on = this list,=20 is testimony to what I can only assume was a caring, giving and loving = man. May=20 those he left behind in this world derive at least some comfort in the = knowledge=20 that Tom left a legacy well beyond what even he could have possibly=20 known.
 
Peace be with Tom and his loved ones in = this time=20 of great loss and sorrow.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret = I=20 reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently = killed=20 in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He = was=20 preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a = few=20 years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm = privately=20 expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I = called=20 his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the=20 tragedy.  Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement = that was=20 circulated at his office:=20

    Please be advised that there will be a Mass = honoring Mr.=20 Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on = Thursday May=20 8th, at ten in the morning .
    Saint Mary's is = located on=20 the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd
    = Avenue. The=20 best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit=20 on
    I-9.

Katherine and I = have not=20 yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article.  = However,=20 in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following=20 links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
  =  =20 http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg
 
Tom wrote this bio=20 himself:

    http://www.souza.com/go70/w= orley.htm

I=20 have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly=20 and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by = phone.

Tom=20 was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email=20 community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community=20 longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM=20 community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership. =20 Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new=20 participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and = gently give=20 of his time and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our=20 community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know = Tom as a=20 sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss = you!  I=20 hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where = there are=20 no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim = admin/owner=20
------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C31635.39C0F2D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 09 May 2003 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Roger, The fundies looks very good. 15.99/18 from the CE. Looks like a nice cup formation. The handle looks like it is trending up. There was one down day at the beginning of the handle. Not sure if this is a good handle or not. Anyone care to comment on this? just my $.02 tomas --- Roger wrote: > New Page 1 > I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up > 2,000shares are there and views out there on this > stock. > > It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with > his family > > Aloha > > Roger > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james smith Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 09 May 2003 15:56:07 -0700 I too as a lurker for some time wish to express my sorrow and sense of loss resulting from Tom's tragic death. No inquiry to the list was too trivial not to receive Tom's attention and help, an indication of his patience and knowledge. All the heartfelt testimonials by so many canslim members provides an indication of how important Tom's life has been to so many. Rest in peace Tom. Jim Smith - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 09 May 2003 16:01:10 -0700 I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good. It looks like a good cup, but I don't see any handle. The "trending up" handle just looks like part of the cup to me, could someone point out the date of the handle to me? Even so, lots of stocks make good runs without a handle. Nice breakout today. Roger, where did you first come accross ARTI? Was it just on the "Where the Big Money's Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find it somewhere else first? Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM > Roger, > > The fundies looks very good. 15.99/18 from the CE. > Looks like a nice cup formation. The handle looks > like it is trending up. There was one down day at the > beginning of the handle. Not sure if this is a good > handle or not. Anyone care to comment on this? > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Roger wrote: > > New Page 1 > > I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up > > 2,000shares are there and views out there on this > > stock. > > > > It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with > > his family > > > > Aloha > > > > Roger > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 09 May 2003 13:09:29 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3162C.39CB4220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris I found it today in Where Big Money Flows. I find most of my buys = there. I boutght 2000 shares today at 22.80 lets see what happens. = Thanks for you input Roger ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Jones=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good. It looks like a good cup, = but I don't see any handle. The "trending up" handle just looks like part = of the cup to me, could someone point out the date of the handle to me? Even = so, lots of stocks make good runs without a handle. Nice breakout today. Roger, where did you first come accross ARTI? Was it just on the = "Where the Big Money's Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find it somewhere else first? Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Tomas" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI > Roger, > > The fundies looks very good. 15.99/18 from the CE. > Looks like a nice cup formation. The handle looks > like it is trending up. There was one down day at the > beginning of the handle. Not sure if this is a good > handle or not. Anyone care to comment on this? > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Roger wrote: > > New Page 1 > > I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up > > 2,000shares are there and views out there on this > > stock. > > > > It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with > > his family > > > > Aloha > > > > Roger > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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Chris
I found it = today in Where=20 Big Money Flows.  I find most of my buys there.  I boutght = 2000 shares=20 today at 22.80 lets see what happens.  Thanks for  you=20 input
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:01 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = ARTI

I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good.  It = looks like=20 a good cup, but I
don't see any handle.  The "trending up" = handle just=20 looks like part of the
cup to me, could someone point out the date = of the=20 handle to me?  Even so,
lots of stocks make good runs without = a=20 handle.  Nice breakout today.
Roger, where did you first come = accross=20 ARTI?  Was it just on the "Where the
Big Money's Flowing" = table at=20 investors.com today, or did you find it
somewhere else=20 first?

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Tomas"=20 <tomas986@yahoo.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = ARTI


>=20 Roger,
>
> The fundies looks very good.  15.99/18 = from the=20 CE.
> Looks like a nice cup formation.  The handle = looks
>=20 like it is trending up.  There was one down day at the
> = beginning=20 of the handle.  Not sure if this is a good
> handle or = not. =20 Anyone care to comment on this?
>
> just my $.02
>=20 tomas
>
>
> --- Roger <gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com>= =20 wrote:
> > New Page 1
> > I am looking at ARTI I am = going to=20 pick up
> > 2,000shares are there and views out there on = this
>=20 > stock.
> >
> > It is a shame about Tom Worley = My=20 prayers are with
> > his family
> >
> >=20 Aloha
> >
> > Roger
> = >
>
>
>=20 __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The = New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
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Tom was a dependable friend and he'll = be=20 missed.
 
May he enjoy God's bounty as we = did from his=20 friendship.
 
Tom, please continue to look out for=20 us,
 
 "I=20 believe that friends are quiet angels who lift=20
  us to our feet when our wings = have=20 trouble
  remembering how to=20 fly."=20
Gene
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The fundies look good, with one exception: institutions seem to be getting out. Does anyone have comments on SHFL? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] A good posting from Tom Worlye (from 5 years ago) Date: 10 May 2003 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) When I began my personal transition from a pure fundamentalist to > adding a TA approach, it was because pure fundamentalism didn't work, at > least in the short term. Too often I saw a stock report earnings up 20 or > 30% over the prior year, yet go down. I spent a lot of time, and money, > finally figuring out that it was expectations that drove the mkt in the > short, and even long, term. Over the years I began to question why the mkt > did what it did, things like increased employment being bad for the mkt > despite reduced welfare costs and increased consumer spending. Took me a > while to grasp how the fear of inflation was greater than the effect of > improved employment (course, now that I finally understand it, it doesn't > seem to apply as well). > > Today, I use both a fundamental and a technical approach both to individual > stocks and the mkt at large. Because of my curiousity about the influences > on the mkt, I have developed a heavy bias on economics. I consider myself > knowledgable, intelligent, and with over 40 years experience in the mkt, > including seven as a broker and three running the "back office" of a > securities firm. I have been learning and using CANSLIM for over seven > years, and have received not only training from WON associates but for a > time got his institutional picks. > > I went thru a period when I essentially dismissed my basic fundamental > approach and was little more than a WON groupie, whatever the master guru > thought I should do, I did. And I learned that, like I, he is not perfect in > forecasting the mkt or individual stocks (altho his success rate is better). > Can I forecast what the mkt will do 3, 6 or 12 months out? No, nor do I > claim to. There are far too many influences on the mkt direction, including > human psychology shaped by many sources including airhead media commentators > (script readers). > > What I can and do give freely to this group is my experience, made somewhat > unique by my occupation within the securities industry. I have learned the > hard way things like a reverse split is usually bad and you are better off > selling; if the mkt closes strongly on volume at either the high or low end > of that day's range it will likely follow thru the next day in the same > direction; just because a stock is cheap doesn't mean it can't get cheaper > and it is better to wait for an uptrend to be developed; etc etc. I have > learned the cost of entering mkt orders at the open, and am now developing a > feel for when and how to enter limit orders within the spread under the new > Order Display rules. > > As one of the early members of this group, it has been my experience that > postings of new stock picks tends to be highest when the mkt does well and > the trend is obvious, little discussion takes place on where the mkt is > likely to go. When the mkt is chaotic, that's when more opinions and > questions start surfacing about "M". It's a time for discussion, > questioning, opinions, education, and sitting on cash till each individual > is confident of what he should do for his investments. > > CS principles should not be abandoned, but I do not agree with selling > everything because "M" looks ugly. Let your individual stops take you out > according to the rules you have developed from CS principles. One thing I > learned the hard way is that there are no absolute rules in this. Each > person develops his or her own application of CANSLIM philosophy as it suits > their comfort level. > > So long as I continue to get feedback from the members of this group that I > am contributing something worthwhile, I don't intend to change. Because I am > licensed and regulated, I still must be restrained in what I say, even > within a private group such as ours. But I doubt the SEC or NASD would > object to my efforts to educate and inform. I disagree strongly that I > ignore WON's views on "M", in fact you seem to have disagreed entirely with > his views on Thursday's action as presented in IBD (I doubt that was > published without his approval). We got the confirmatory day very late, but > we got it. And Friday would seem to further confirm it both with a further > 1% gain on NYSE and NASDAQ, even without a substantial increase in volume to > the upside. Interestingly, this seems to have caused Connie's indicators to > go negative. Don't know if this just means it's no longer a good enviroment > for day traders, or also bad for CANSLIM. VIX did drop by over 10%, but at > 33.04 it's still a long way over 20. Some months ago, well before the Asian > crises broke, I espoused the opinion that the volatility would be much > greater for the balance of the year. So far that is proving correct, and I > see no reason to change that opinion. > > Having now spent so much time on my soap box, what do I think is going on in > the mkt? As I have been saying, I see the mkt consolidating both long and > mid term gains as well as a short term correction. At the same time it is > absorbing major intl "psychological" influences such as Asia and Latin > America, flight to safety in US treasuries, economic reports suggesting a > need for the Feds to hike immediately counterbalanced by very bullish > reports, gold continuing its bear mkt, strong dollar further reducing export > growth but hurting big caps with intl exposure, a shift of money from big > caps to small caps and back to big caps, and Iraq stupidly saber rattling. > Currently I am looking for a home for the cash I raised over the past > several weeks selling my dogs. I expect to be fully invested by the end of > the week barring some major event or change in my reading of both the > fundamental and technical portrayal of "M". This is what is right for me, > and by definition may not be right for even one other member of this fine > group. It fits my confidence and comfort level. No other member should make > a decision on what I think is right for me. > > One of the best comments I heard recently was from Wayne Angell, former Fed > governor and now economist at Bear Stearns: "Gold at $310 is a huge vote of > confidence in the Feds" (course now it's at $304 after briefly breaking > $300, and forecasts now are for 275-280 before the bargain hunters will step > in). > > Any statements or opinions are strictly my own and not that of my employer. > My comments should not be interpreted as a recommendation of any kind. I am > a licensed (inactive) broker and an active investor. All investors should do > their own research prior to any investment, especially one learned about on > the Internet. Hopefully my comments will better inform and educate all > investors. > tom w ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 10 May 2003 08:01:19 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C316CA.572D3050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Yesterday I had the pleasure of speaking with Tom's sister, Sister Elizabeth Worley, a nun and the Chairman of the Board of the Hospital where she works! She was unaware of Tom's association with our community and was delighted to hear that he touched so many lives. She also shared with me that, despite living in the same city, she herself most often "talked" with Tom via email because he was "an electronic communicator" and loved spending time on the internet. When I mentioned I'd teased Tom about spending so much time online, she said that he really spent his time in one of three ways, working (remember all those 80 hour work weeks he'd describe?), communicating with others on the internet, and sailing. Tom was buried at sea and his sailboat will be donated to a group in Miami that teaches the blind to sail. What an incredible person he was, still giving to others even after he is gone. I miss him. I have forwarded copies of your many heartfelt messages to Sister Elizabeth and she is looking forward to sharing these with Tom's older brother, Frank, and his son, Michael. As Tom was educated in parochial school by the Sisters of St. Joseph, she has asked that if you wish to make a donation in his memory, you can do so by sending it to: Sisters of St. Joseph Attn: Ann Kuhn PO Box 3506 St. Augustine, Florida 32085-3506 --Katherine ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C316CA.572D3050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
Yesterday I had the pleasure of = speaking=20 with Tom's sister, Sister Elizabeth Worley, a nun and the Chairman of = the Board=20 of the Hospital where she works! She was unaware of Tom's association = with our=20 community and was delighted to hear that he touched so many lives. She = also=20 shared with me that, despite living in the same city, she = herself most=20 often "talked" with Tom via email because he was "an electronic = communicator"=20 and loved spending time on the internet. When I mentioned I'd teased Tom = about=20 spending so much time online, she said that he really spent his time in = one of=20 three ways, working (remember all those 80 hour work weeks he'd = describe?),=20 communicating with others on the internet, and sailing. Tom was buried = at sea=20 and his sailboat will be donated to a group in Miami that teaches the = blind to=20 sail. What an incredible person he was, still giving to others even = after he is=20 gone. I miss him.
 
I have forwarded copies of your = many=20 heartfelt messages to Sister Elizabeth and she is looking forward to = sharing=20 these with Tom's older brother, Frank, and his son, Michael. As Tom was = educated=20 in parochial school by the Sisters of St. Joseph, she has asked that if = you wish=20 to make a donation in his memory, you can do so by sending it = to:
 
Sisters of St. Joseph
Attn: Ann Kuhn
PO Box 3506
St. Augustine, = Florida
32085-3506
 
 
--Katherine
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C316CA.572D3050-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: surindra Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley Date: 10 May 2003 09:24:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C316D6.06936040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is very nice of you Katherine. For the old timers on this list (I know Katherine is not), this canslim list was preceded by a canslim list on yahoo and last four messages on that list are from Tom. You can view at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canslim/ Regards Surindra -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:01 AM Hi All, Yesterday I had the pleasure of speaking with Tom's sister, Sister Elizabeth Worley, a nun and the Chairman of the Board of the Hospital where she works! She was unaware of Tom's association with our community and was delighted to hear that he touched so many lives. She also shared with me that, despite living in the same city, she herself most often "talked" with Tom via email because he was "an electronic communicator" and loved spending time on the internet. When I mentioned I'd teased Tom about spending so much time online, she said that he really spent his time in one of three ways, working (remember all those 80 hour work weeks he'd describe?), communicating with others on the internet, and sailing. Tom was buried at sea and his sailboat will be donated to a group in Miami that teaches the blind to sail. What an incredible person he was, still giving to others even after he is gone. I miss him. I have forwarded copies of your many heartfelt messages to Sister Elizabeth and she is looking forward to sharing these with Tom's older brother, Frank, and his son, Michael. As Tom was educated in parochial school by the Sisters of St. Joseph, she has asked that if you wish to make a donation in his memory, you can do so by sending it to: Sisters of St. Joseph Attn: Ann Kuhn PO Box 3506 St. Augustine, Florida 32085-3506 --Katherine ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C316D6.06936040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is very nice of you = Katherine.

 

For the old timers on this list (I know Katherine is = not), this canslim list was preceded by a canslim list on yahoo and last four messages on that list are from Tom.

 

You can view at http://groups.yahoo.com/g= roup/canslim/

 

 

 

Regards

 

Surindra

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: = Saturday, May 10, = 2003 9:01 AM
To: = Canslim@Lists.Xmission.Com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley

 

Hi All,

 

Yesterday I had the pleasure of speaking with = Tom's sister, Sister Elizabeth Worley, a nun and the Chairman of the Board of = the Hospital where she works! She was unaware of Tom's association with our = community and was delighted to hear that he touched so many lives. She also shared = with me that, despite living in the same city, she herself most often "talked" with Tom via email because he was "an electronic communicator" and loved spending time on the internet. When I = mentioned I'd teased Tom about spending so much time online, she said that he = really spent his time in one of three ways, working (remember all those 80 hour = work weeks he'd describe?), communicating with others on the internet, and = sailing. Tom was buried at sea and his sailboat will be donated to a group in = Miami that teaches the blind to sail. What an incredible person he was, still = giving to others even after he is gone. I miss him.

 

I have forwarded copies of your many = heartfelt messages to Sister Elizabeth and she is looking forward to sharing these with = Tom's older brother, Frank, and his son, Michael. As Tom was educated in = parochial school by the Sisters of St. Joseph, she has asked that if you wish to = make a donation in his memory, you can do so by sending it = to:

 

Sisters of = St. Joseph

Attn: Ann Kuhn

PO = Box 3506

St. = Augustine, Florida

32085-3506

 

 

--Katherine

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Peter

Dave Cameron wrote:
When I began my personal transition from a pure fundamentalist to
  
adding a TA approach, it was because pure fundamentalism didn't
    
work, at
  
least in the short term. Too often I saw a stock report earnings up
    
20 or
  
30% over the prior year, yet go down. I spent a lot of time, and
    
money,
  
finally figuring out that it was expectations that drove the mkt in
    
the
  
short, and even long, term. Over the years I began to question why
    
the mkt
  
did what it did, things like increased employment being bad for the
    
mkt
  
despite reduced welfare costs and increased consumer spending. Took
    
me a
  
while to grasp how the fear of inflation was greater than the
    
effect of
  
improved employment (course, now that I finally understand it, it
    
doesn't
  
seem to apply as well).

Today, I use both a fundamental and a technical approach both to
    
individual
  
stocks and the mkt at large. Because of my curiousity about the
    
influences
  
on the mkt, I have developed a heavy bias on economics. I consider
    
myself
  
knowledgable, intelligent, and with over 40 years experience in the
    
mkt,
  
including seven as a broker and three running the "back office" of
    
a
  
securities firm. I have been learning and using CANSLIM for over
    
seven
  
years, and have received not only training from WON associates but
    
for a
  
time got his institutional picks.

I went thru a period when I essentially dismissed my basic
    
fundamental
  
approach and was little more than a WON groupie, whatever the
    
master guru
  
thought I should do, I did. And I learned that, like I, he is not
    
perfect in
  
forecasting the mkt or individual stocks (altho his success rate is
    
better).
  
Can I forecast what the mkt will do 3, 6 or 12 months out? No, nor
    
do I
  
claim to. There are far too many influences on the mkt direction,
    
including
  
human psychology shaped by many sources including airhead media
    
commentators
  
(script readers).

What I can and do give freely to this group is my experience, made
    
somewhat
  
unique by my occupation within the securities industry. I have
    
learned the
  
hard way things like a reverse split is usually bad and you are
    
better off
  
selling; if the mkt closes strongly on volume at either the high or
    
low end
  
of that day's range it will likely follow thru the next day in the
    
same
  
direction; just because a stock is cheap doesn't mean it can't get
    
cheaper
  
and it is better to wait for an uptrend to be developed; etc etc. I
    
have
  
learned the cost of entering mkt orders at the open, and am now
    
developing a
  
feel for when and how to enter  limit orders within the spread
    
under the new
  
Order Display rules.

As one of the early members of this group, it has been my
    
experience that
  
postings of new stock picks tends to be highest when the mkt does
    
well and
  
the trend is obvious, little discussion takes place on where the
    
mkt is
  
likely to go. When the mkt is chaotic, that's when more opinions
    
and
  
questions start surfacing about "M". It's a time for discussion,
questioning, opinions, education, and sitting on cash till each
    
individual
  
is confident of what he should do for his investments.

CS principles should not be abandoned, but I do not agree with
    
selling
  
everything because "M" looks ugly. Let your individual stops take
    
you out
  
according to the rules you have developed from CS principles. One
    
thing I
  
learned the hard way is that there are no absolute rules in this.
    
Each
  
person develops his or her own application of CANSLIM philosophy as
    
it suits
  
their comfort level.

So long as I continue to get feedback from the members of this
    
group that I
  
am contributing something worthwhile, I don't intend to change.
    
Because I am
  
licensed and regulated, I still must be restrained in what I say,
    
even
  
within a private group such as ours. But I doubt the SEC or NASD
    
would
  
object to my efforts to educate and inform. I disagree strongly
    
that I
  
ignore WON's views on "M", in fact you seem to have disagreed
    
entirely with
  
his views on Thursday's action as presented in IBD (I doubt that
    
was
  
published without his approval). We got the confirmatory day very
    
late, but
  
we got it. And Friday would seem to further confirm it both with a
    
further
  
1% gain on NYSE and NASDAQ, even without a substantial increase in
    
volume to
  
the upside. Interestingly, this seems to have caused Connie's
    
indicators to
  
go negative. Don't know if this just means it's no longer a good
    
enviroment
  
for day traders, or also bad for CANSLIM. VIX did drop by over 10%,
    
but at
  
33.04 it's still a long way over 20. Some months ago, well before
    
the Asian
  
crises broke, I espoused the opinion that the volatility would be
    
much
  
greater for the balance of the year. So far that is proving
    
correct, and I
  
see no reason to change that opinion.

Having now spent so much time on my soap box, what do I think is
    
going on in
  
the mkt?  As I have been saying, I see the mkt consolidating both
    
long and
  
mid term gains as well as a short term correction. At the same time
    
it is
  
absorbing major intl "psychological" influences such as Asia and
    
Latin
  
America, flight to safety in US treasuries, economic reports
    
suggesting a
  
need for the Feds to hike immediately counterbalanced by very
    
bullish
  
reports, gold continuing its bear mkt, strong dollar further
    
reducing export
  
growth but hurting big caps with intl exposure, a shift of money
    
from big
  
caps to small caps and back to big caps, and Iraq stupidly saber
    
rattling.
  
Currently I am looking for a home for the cash I raised over the
    
past
  
several weeks selling my dogs. I expect to be fully invested by the
    
end of
  
the week barring some major event or change in my reading of both
    
the
  
fundamental and technical portrayal of "M". This is what is right
    
for me,
  
and by definition may not be right for even one other member of
    
this fine
  
group. It fits my confidence and comfort level. No other member
    
should make
  
a decision on what I think is right for me.

One of the best comments I heard recently was from Wayne Angell,
    
former Fed
  
governor and now economist at Bear Stearns: "Gold at $310 is a huge
    
vote of
  
confidence in the Feds" (course now it's at $304 after briefly
    
breaking
  
$300, and forecasts now are for 275-280 before the bargain hunters
    
will step
  
in).

Any statements or opinions are strictly my own and not that of my
    
employer.
  
My comments should not be interpreted as a recommendation of any
    
kind. I am
  
a licensed (inactive) broker and an active investor. All investors
    
should do
  
their own research prior to any investment, especially one learned
    
about on
  
the Internet. Hopefully my comments will better inform and educate
    
all
  
investors.
tom w
    

=====
Dave Cameron
dfcameron@yahoo.com

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- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 10 May 2003 11:12:38 EDT --part1_1c8.983b986.2bee70e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! I first read this announcement last week and still cannot seem to grasp the finality of it. Wow. I haven't posted in probably two to three years now and read very few of the posts submitted by the list. Of those posts read a large proportion would have been written by Mr. Worley. I'll never forget our discussions on low float, under $12.00 stocks and the application of CANSLIM to them. I know you're at peace Tom............ Greg George --part1_1c8.983b986.2bee70e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow!=  I first read this announcement last week and still cannot seem to gra= sp the finality of it.  Wow.  

I haven't posted in probably two to three years now and read very few of= the posts submitted by the list.  Of those posts read a large proporti= on would have been written by Mr. Worley.

I'll never forget our discussions on low float, under $12.00 stocks and=20= the application of CANSLIM to them.  

I know you're at peace Tom............

Greg George --part1_1c8.983b986.2bee70e6_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerome Buckmelter" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 10 May 2003 11:08:23 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C316E4.7A9ADD70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a lurker who occasionally asks questions or solicits advice. Tom never failed to respond with his personal, valuable insights. One just knew that this guy was a giving person. He cared. As with so many others, I sat at the computer reading Jeff's email, and a tear trickled down my cheek. The announcement was even more shocking since it appears that his death came from the hand of his own son. I'm sure that someone as caring and giving as Tom loved his son. But tragically love is not always reciprocated. God bless you, Tom, and your family. We'll miss you and keep you in our thoughts and prayers. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:40 AM Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his office: Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the morning . Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and N.W. 2nd Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th Street exit on I-9. Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary or newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg Tom wrote this bio himself: http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone. Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning of our CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our community. In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, gentle, and thoughtful soul. Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C316E4.7A9ADD70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am a lurker who occasionally asks questions or solicits advice.  = Tom never failed to respond with his personal, valuable insights.  One just knew that this guy was = a giving person.  He cared.  As with so many others, I sat = at the computer reading Jeff’s email, and a tear trickled down my = cheek.  The announcement was even more = shocking since it appears that his death came from the hand of his own son.  I’m sure that someone as = caring and giving as Tom loved his son.  But tragically love is not always reciprocated.  God bless you, Tom, and your = family.  We’ll miss you and keep = you in our thoughts and prayers.  

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Salisbury
Sent: = Thursday, May 08, = 2003 8:40 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = Worley: Tragic Announcement

 

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his = son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago.

I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and = when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human = resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his = office:

    Please be advised that = there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas Worley at
    Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in = the morning .
    Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th = Street and N.W. 2nd
    Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. = 79th Street exit on
    I-9.

Katherine and I have not yet been able to = find an online obituary or newspaper article.  However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found and compiled the following links:

    http:= //www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt
    http://ww= w.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg

 

Tom wrote this bio = himself:


I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private email = regularly and often.  I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by phone.

Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our CANSLIM = email community.  Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM = community longer than any other person.  Right from the beginning of our = CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our = membership.  Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to every new = participant.  He would welcome them, and then generously and gently give of his time = and talents.  Tom was truly the father of our community.

In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a sensitive, = gentle, and thoughtful soul.

Tom, I'll miss you!  I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife = in a joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain.

Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C316E4.7A9ADD70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 10 May 2003 17:17:55 EDT A few members of CANSLIM serve as the "cement" that holds the group together. Tom Worley was one of those cement-ers. His loss hurts the group. As we mourn Tom's loss, we can begin giving some thought to steps that we might take to promote continuing interest and excitement in the group. For example, we could run an ongoing "contest" for "stock of the week". Members could submit candidates, i.e., stocks indicated for purchase as meeting CANSLIM technical and fundamental standards. A Committee of judges (say, 5) would give their opinions. No prizes, just the "glory". And maybe some good tips. We could keep it manageable by permitting only one submittal per member per month. This thought is the first that came to mind. Any other ideas out there -- in the way of positive action to keep this group stimulated? Regards, Dave Schwartz - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 10 May 2003 20:05:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_g+lt326TiYVmE3qwlQJQcg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I see a cup from the beginning of November 2002 to a pivot at the beginning of may 2003. it has a nice run up to the left hand side, does not correct too deeply, and forms the pivot quite close to the left level. The rs line rises nicely during the right-hand-side formation, and the rs rank remains strong too. This is true even during the price drop in the handle. However, I don't see huge volume in the right-hand-side of the cup. The fundies look good, with one exception: institutions seem to be getting out. Does anyone have comments on SHFL? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 12:12:40 EDT Roger, What gives you the clue that "...institutions seem to be getting out." The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to Daily Graphs Online, from June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it was 99). Is this the only signal that you see? In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for these reasons: 1) I believe strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is beginning to end; its power was shown in the past few months and now-in my opinion-it's going to dissipate. The stocks in this group are already surfeited and ready to digest their gains. The up and coming industries, I believe, will have to do with Technology and Medical stocks. Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four weakly peaks it has made since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the resistance point. And the RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the stock is strong enough to break the resistance. I conclude this because: Notice that the previous peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak (in early Nov./02). However, in last week's price peak (at the resistance) RSL is either below or just barely above (it is certainly not showing the kind of strength the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance point). jans In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roger@tawacentral.net writes: << The fundies look good, with one exception: institutions seem to be getting out. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Roger, Jans, I believe Roger is looking at the institutional ownership activities for the stock when he commented about the institional thing. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp?Symbol=shfl I cannot comment on the RS lines from Jans' input since I don't have much experience reading the RS line. The fundies for SHFL looks good. 15.69 out of 18 (very good) for the CS evaluator. The zone is green 4-4. The institional ownership looks too high ~98%. Anyone want to correct me on this opinion? Looking at the chart, left side of the cup starts at 11/4/02 and right side of the cup is at 3/21/03 at $21.98. Handle is from 3/22 to 4/29. Handle trended down, which is good. BO is on 4/30 with not as much volume as I would have liked. But big volume two days later. If you agreen with the CwH dates, then the stock is a little extended. Just my $.02 tomas --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Roger, > > What gives you the clue that "...institutions > seem to be getting out." > The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to > Daily Graphs Online, from > June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it > was 99). Is this the only > signal that you see? > > In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for > these reasons: 1) I believe > strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is > beginning to end; its power > was shown in the past few months and now-in my > opinion-it's going to > dissipate. The stocks in this group are already > surfeited and ready to > digest their gains. The up and coming industries, I > believe, will have to do > with Technology and Medical stocks. > > Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four > weakly peaks it has made > since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the resistance > point. And the > RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the > stock is strong enough to > break the resistance. I conclude this because: > Notice that the previous > peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior > resistance peak (in early > Nov./02). > > However, in last week's price peak (at the > resistance) RSL is either > below or just barely above (it is certainly not > showing the kind of strength > the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance > point). > > jans > > > > In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > roger@tawacentral.net writes: > > << The fundies look good, with one exception: > institutions seem to be getting > out. > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles & Lois Layne" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 11 May 2003 15:38:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C317D3.4D911D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a very part-time participant in the CANSLIM forum, I wish to add my = appreciation for Tom's welcoming ways. Shortly after signing up on the = board, he took the time to explain the many acronyms being thrown = around. I am certain he had done so for others many times before, yet = he expressed no indication of arrogance or superiority each time he did = such a thing. He freely shared his experience and his knowledge with = any and all who were interested. =20 It is hard to accept such a sudden tragedy. I express my condolances to = Tom's family and those who are affected by this tragedy. =20 Charles Layne ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C317D3.4D911D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a very part-time participant in the = CANSLIM=20 forum, I wish to add my appreciation for Tom's welcoming ways.  = Shortly=20 after signing up on the board, he took the time to explain the many = acronyms=20 being thrown around.  I am certain he had done so for others many = times=20 before, yet he expressed no indication of arrogance or superiority each = time he=20 did such a thing.  He freely shared his experience and his = knowledge with=20 any and all who were interested. 
 
It is hard to accept such a sudden = tragedy.  I=20 express my condolances to Tom's family and those who are affected by = this=20 tragedy. 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C317D3.4D911D40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 19:35:39 -0400 Hi Jans, Thanks for your comments, I'm just starting out and it is always very helpful to get some insight from the more experienced canslim folks. It seemed to me that institutions were "getting out" because the "net shares purchased mrq" in the canslim evaluator was -1016. however, after reading your comments I checked out msn, and they too seem to say that net position change is positive. I do see the 4 weekly peaks that you mention. I see what you mean by the resistance at 25. there also 3 weekly troughs in the same period, and these are rising. Does this mean anything? What do you mean that the rsline was "in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak"? I am looking at the charts on cwhcharts.com, and the rsline's peaks seem to coincide with the price peaks. Also, the rsline last week seemed to be at or making a new high. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:13 PM Roger, What gives you the clue that "...institutions seem to be getting out." The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to Daily Graphs Online, from June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it was 99). Is this the only signal that you see? In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for these reasons: 1) I believe strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is beginning to end; its power was shown in the past few months and now-in my opinion-it's going to dissipate. The stocks in this group are already surfeited and ready to digest their gains. The up and coming industries, I believe, will have to do with Technology and Medical stocks. Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four weakly peaks it has made since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the resistance point. And the RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the stock is strong enough to break the resistance. I conclude this because: Notice that the previous peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak (in early Nov./02). However, in last week's price peak (at the resistance) RSL is either below or just barely above (it is certainly not showing the kind of strength the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance point). jans In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roger@tawacentral.net writes: << The fundies look good, with one exception: institutions seem to be getting out. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 19:28:03 -0500 Hi Tomas, Roger, jans, I thought it would be appropriate to comment on some of the figures Tomas gave in his reply, as he mentions numbers from our site. -On fundamentals: Our CANSLIM Evaluator (CE) is divided into 2 separate figures, one for fundamentals (i.e. the drivers of technical action) and one for technicals (the price/volume action). For SHFL, the total of 15.69 is derived from a technical score of 6.47 (out of 7 possible) and a fundamental score of 9.22 (out of 11 possible). That's nothing to sneeze at, but I wouldn't want to mislead anybody into thinking that all 15.69 points were derived from fundamentals alone. Part of our reasoning for having these two separate components is to be sure that a stock has a good combination of *both* fundamental and technical attributes at the same time. That helps avoid stocks that are strong one way or the other, but not in tandem. In comparison to the other 44 stocks in the industry, SHFL rates first in fundamentals, a hair better than PENN. It ranks 5th in overall technical condition. It's rare to find stocks that get a "perfect" fundamental score. In SHFL's case, it looses some points due to the slight deceleration in sales and earnings growth rates and due to the net shares sold by institutions which both Roger and Tomas mentioned. -On the chart: It is true that SHFL originally set up in a cup with handle pattern back in March. It appeared on one of our watchlists 3/31 and set up with the pivot as you described: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL033103.JPG However, it did not breakout at that time. You can see a close up of the action shortly after. While it tried to break free, it did not do so on volume, so effectively, the right side of the cup continued to form: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFLSincePivot0303.JPG In general, I don't much like the volume on the right side of the continuation of the cup. It looks wedge-like to me and I think SHFL may need to spend some time in the current handle to properly shake out that lousy action in the base. It might be a bit easier to see in a weekly chart: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL050903Wkly.JPG (Note: current pivot is at 24.85) -General comments: When I first took a look at SHFL this morning, I truly expected to see the industry action rolling over. As jans mentioned, this group has been strong in the last couple of years and the odds of an industry staying at the top after such a long time is rather low. However, when I took a look at the industry action as a whole and at the charts of the stocks within the industry, I noticed that for the most part, most of the stocks have been oscillating sideways for quite a while. That *could* very well indicate a shoring up for another move up. Looking at the chart of the industry technicals and rank as a whole, there's certainly evidence that the group is turning back *up* rather than rolling over and heading down: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGaming050903.JPG The popularity of gambling escapes me, so I can't say that this group has ever interested me enough to dive into the details, but technically and fundamentally, there seems to be some promise in the group. Here's one last look at the distribution of the group across the CE Zone Map: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGamingMap050903.JPG This shows that there are quite a few stocks with good CANSLIM characteristics, i.e. a good combo of both fundamentals and technical, as the number of stocks in the green zone area are pretty impressive. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:52 PM Roger, Jans, I believe Roger is looking at the institutional ownership activities for the stock when he commented about the institional thing. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp?Symbol=s hfl I cannot comment on the RS lines from Jans' input since I don't have much experience reading the RS line. The fundies for SHFL looks good. 15.69 out of 18 (very good) for the CS evaluator. The zone is green 4-4. The institional ownership looks too high ~98%. Anyone want to correct me on this opinion? Looking at the chart, left side of the cup starts at 11/4/02 and right side of the cup is at 3/21/03 at $21.98. Handle is from 3/22 to 4/29. Handle trended down, which is good. BO is on 4/30 with not as much volume as I would have liked. But big volume two days later. If you agreen with the CwH dates, then the stock is a little extended. Just my $.02 tomas --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Roger, > > What gives you the clue that "...institutions > seem to be getting out." > The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to > Daily Graphs Online, from > June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it > was 99). Is this the only > signal that you see? > > In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for > these reasons: 1) I believe > strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is > beginning to end; its power > was shown in the past few months and now-in my > opinion-it's going to > dissipate. The stocks in this group are already > surfeited and ready to > digest their gains. The up and coming industries, I > believe, will have to do > with Technology and Medical stocks. > > Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four > weakly peaks it has made > since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the resistance > point. And the > RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the > stock is strong enough to > break the resistance. I conclude this because: > Notice that the previous > peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior > resistance peak (in early > Nov./02). > > However, in last week's price peak (at the > resistance) RSL is either > below or just barely above (it is certainly not > showing the kind of strength > the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance > point). > > jans > > > > In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > roger@tawacentral.net writes: > > << The fundies look good, with one exception: > institutions seem to be getting > out. > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 19:46:57 -0500 Hi Roger, Just a note on using MSN or Yahoo data with regard to Institutional Ownership numbers. While it is useful in taking a peek at the numbers and the roster of owners, I have found that the reporting is somewhat slow and that it will differ from other sources. For example, DGO shows that the number of mutual funds has dropped slightly over the last quarter. That slight drop would also be apparent via the negative net shares you would have noted in our CANSLIM Evaluator. All in all, I place Institutional ownership at the bottom of the heap with respect to all the other desirable CANSLIM characteristics. That is for 2 reasons: First, data on institutional ownership is notoriously unrealiable and lags the real buying and selling action tremendously (due to reporting requirements) and second, because in truth, the action of institutions is already visible in the price/volume action of the stock. In other words, all else being equal, I would not use this particular measurement as a go/no go decision parameter. To be complete, a measurement of "I" would have to be included in a preponderance of evidence approach to evaluating one stock against another, but I see it as only one of many characteristics, not as a deal breaker. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger Tawa Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 5:36 PM Hi Jans, Thanks for your comments, I'm just starting out and it is always very helpful to get some insight from the more experienced canslim folks. It seemed to me that institutions were "getting out" because the "net shares purchased mrq" in the canslim evaluator was -1016. however, after reading your comments I checked out msn, and they too seem to say that net position change is positive. I do see the 4 weekly peaks that you mention. I see what you mean by the resistance at 25. there also 3 weekly troughs in the same period, and these are rising. Does this mean anything? What do you mean that the rsline was "in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak"? I am looking at the charts on cwhcharts.com, and the rsline's peaks seem to coincide with the price peaks. Also, the rsline last week seemed to be at or making a new high. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:13 PM Roger, What gives you the clue that "...institutions seem to be getting out." The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to Daily Graphs Online, from June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it was 99). Is this the only signal that you see? In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for these reasons: 1) I believe strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is beginning to end; its power was shown in the past few months and now-in my opinion-it's going to dissipate. The stocks in this group are already surfeited and ready to digest their gains. The up and coming industries, I believe, will have to do with Technology and Medical stocks. Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four weakly peaks it has made since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the resistance point. And the RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the stock is strong enough to break the resistance. I conclude this because: Notice that the previous peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak (in early Nov./02). However, in last week's price peak (at the resistance) RSL is either below or just barely above (it is certainly not showing the kind of strength the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance point). jans In a message dated 5/10/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roger@tawacentral.net writes: << The fundies look good, with one exception: institutions seem to be getting out. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 20:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, As always, I like to read your email a few times b/c it has so much valuable information. One question, you mention about not putting too much weight on institional activities. How much weight do you put on the insider trading? I see quite a few CANSLIM stocks that has been going up being sold by insiders. If you see about 10% of stocks own by insiders sold in the last 6 months, do you think twice before considering this stock? tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, Roger, jans, > > I thought it would be appropriate to comment on some > of the figures Tomas > gave in his reply, as he mentions numbers from our > site. > > -On fundamentals: Our CANSLIM Evaluator (CE) is > divided into 2 separate > figures, one for fundamentals (i.e. the drivers of > technical action) and one > for technicals (the price/volume action). For SHFL, > the total of 15.69 is > derived from a technical score of 6.47 (out of 7 > possible) and a fundamental > score of 9.22 (out of 11 possible). That's nothing > to sneeze at, but I > wouldn't want to mislead anybody into thinking that > all 15.69 points were > derived from fundamentals alone. Part of our > reasoning for having these two > separate components is to be sure that a stock has a > good combination of > *both* fundamental and technical attributes at the > same time. That helps > avoid stocks that are strong one way or the other, > but not in tandem. In > comparison to the other 44 stocks in the industry, > SHFL rates first in > fundamentals, a hair better than PENN. It ranks 5th > in overall technical > condition. It's rare to find stocks that get a > "perfect" fundamental score. > In SHFL's case, it looses some points due to the > slight deceleration in > sales and earnings growth rates and due to the net > shares sold by > institutions which both Roger and Tomas mentioned. > > -On the chart: It is true that SHFL originally set > up in a cup with handle > pattern back in March. It appeared on one of our > watchlists 3/31 and set up > with the pivot as you described: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL033103.JPG > > However, it did not breakout at that time. You can > see a close up of the > action shortly after. While it tried to break free, > it did not do so on > volume, so effectively, the right side of the cup > continued to form: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFLSincePivot0303.JPG > > In general, I don't much like the volume on the > right side of the > continuation of the cup. It looks wedge-like to me > and I think SHFL may need > to spend some time in the current handle to properly > shake out that lousy > action in the base. It might be a bit easier to see > in a weekly chart: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL050903Wkly.JPG > (Note: current pivot > is at 24.85) > > > -General comments: When I first took a look at SHFL > this morning, I truly > expected to see the industry action rolling over. As > jans mentioned, this > group has been strong in the last couple of years > and the odds of an > industry staying at the top after such a long time > is rather low. However, > when I took a look at the industry action as a whole > and at the charts of > the stocks within the industry, I noticed that for > the most part, most of > the stocks have been oscillating sideways for quite > a while. That *could* > very well indicate a shoring up for another move up. > Looking at the chart of > the industry technicals and rank as a whole, there's > certainly evidence that > the group is turning back *up* rather than rolling > over and heading down: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGaming050903.JPG > > The popularity of gambling escapes me, so I can't > say that this group has > ever interested me enough to dive into the details, > but technically and > fundamentally, there seems to be some promise in the > group. Here's one last > look at the distribution of the group across the CE > Zone Map: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGamingMap050903.JPG > > This shows that there are quite a few stocks with > good CANSLIM > characteristics, i.e. a good combo of both > fundamentals and technical, as > the number of stocks in the green zone area are > pretty impressive. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:52 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL > > > Roger, Jans, > > I believe Roger is looking at the institutional > ownership activities for the stock when he commented > about the institional thing. > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp?Symbol=s > hfl > > I cannot comment on the RS lines from Jans' input > since I don't have much experience reading the RS > line. > > The fundies for SHFL looks good. 15.69 out of 18 > (very good) for the CS evaluator. The zone is green > 4-4. The institional ownership looks too high ~98%. > Anyone want to correct me on this opinion? > > Looking at the chart, left side of the cup starts at > 11/4/02 and right side of the cup is at 3/21/03 > at $21.98. Handle is from 3/22 to 4/29. Handle > trended down, which is good. BO is on 4/30 > with not as much volume as I would have liked. But > big volume two days later. > > If you agreen with the CwH dates, then the stock is > a > little extended. > > Just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > Roger, > > > > What gives you the clue that "...institutions > > seem to be getting out." > > The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to > > Daily Graphs Online, from > > June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it > > was 99). Is this the only > > signal that you see? > > > > In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for > > these reasons: 1) I believe > > strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is > > beginning to end; its power > > was shown in the past few months and now-in my > > opinion-it's going to > > dissipate. The stocks in this group are already > > surfeited and ready to > > digest their gains. The up and coming industries, > I > > believe, will have to do > > with Technology and Medical stocks. > > > > Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four > > weakly peaks it has made > > since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the > resistance > > point. And the > > RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the > > stock is strong enough to > > break the resistance. I conclude this because: > > Notice that the previous > > peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior > > resistance peak (in early > > Nov./02). > > > > However, in last week's price peak (at the > > resistance) RSL is either > > below or just barely above (it is certainly not > > showing the kind of strength > > the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance > > point). > > > > jans > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 11 May 2003 23:47:36 EDT Roger: The formation you describe (and I also see)-resistance peaks with rising troughs-is called an upward triangle. It is normally bullish. However, I wouldn't put too much credence in SHFL's upward triangle formation because it is over such a long period. Rising triangles usually are some indication of bullishness when the formation is over days or weeks (at the most), not-in my experience-over years. (Although, it must be admitted-that the yearly formation does denote bullishness in the stock;however, with the stock's bullishness being over years-and who wants to wait that long?) What I mean "in strong divergence from...?" is that the RSline on Nov 1st was not surmounted (or perhaps even equalled) by the RSline of last week (when SHFL hit resistance again). To me a rising RSline at peaks and troughs in the price (compared with previous peaks and troughs in the stock's price, eg. the two downlegs or uplegs of a double bottom) denote strength. If strength is not indicated at these points, then the stock is not ready to be bought (it may be a weak stock, or the RSline may be signalling that the stock is ripe for a retracement). If it is a retracement only (eg. the Handle of a Cup and Handle), then you should see the stock as revealed in the RSline regather its strength as the Handle proceeds. In that case-assuming the overall Market is okay-the stock should generally be bought on the BreakOut. jans In a message dated 5/11/2003 7:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roger@tawacentral.net writes: << I do see the 4 weekly peaks that you mention. I see what you mean by the resistance at 25. there also 3 weekly troughs in the same period, and these are rising. Does this mean anything? What do you mean that the rsline was "in strong divergence from its prior resistance peak"? I am looking at the charts on cwhcharts.com, and the rsline's peaks seem to coincide with the price peaks. Also, the rsline last week seemed to be at or making a new high. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 12 May 2003 01:00:37 -0500 Thanks, Tomas. I think that for the most part, insider activity is a hard nut to crack. Others are likely to give you a different point of view on this one, but I think insider activity is only significant in a couple of ways. First, insiders are going to sell, that's the nature of ownership. They'll sell to rebalance their portfolios, to send Susie to college, to buy a new house, etc. By itself, selling doesn't really mean anything. However, consistent selling at fresh lows is not a good thing. This is one time when you want to see insider selling abate. Second, I am more interested in the trend of insider buying. Say, for example there has been very little insider buying and then suddenly there's a rash of it. The change in tone can be a clue that something is going on. Similarly, buying at new 52 week highs may be an indication that insiders see something of value, despite the fresh highs. All in all, I see this as only a tertiary indicator. All else being equal, if I were trying to decide between 2 stocks, I'd use this only as a tie breaker. Here's one of my favorite insider links: http://insider.thomsonfn.com/tfn/insider.asp?linkcode=7rdcg6divt9fsuu5awkj You might also use the IBD archives to search for articles on insider trading: www.investors.com Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:13 PM Katherine, As always, I like to read your email a few times b/c it has so much valuable information. One question, you mention about not putting too much weight on institional activities. How much weight do you put on the insider trading? I see quite a few CANSLIM stocks that has been going up being sold by insiders. If you see about 10% of stocks own by insiders sold in the last 6 months, do you think twice before considering this stock? tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, Roger, jans, > > I thought it would be appropriate to comment on some > of the figures Tomas > gave in his reply, as he mentions numbers from our > site. > > -On fundamentals: Our CANSLIM Evaluator (CE) is > divided into 2 separate > figures, one for fundamentals (i.e. the drivers of > technical action) and one > for technicals (the price/volume action). For SHFL, > the total of 15.69 is > derived from a technical score of 6.47 (out of 7 > possible) and a fundamental > score of 9.22 (out of 11 possible). That's nothing > to sneeze at, but I > wouldn't want to mislead anybody into thinking that > all 15.69 points were > derived from fundamentals alone. Part of our > reasoning for having these two > separate components is to be sure that a stock has a > good combination of > *both* fundamental and technical attributes at the > same time. That helps > avoid stocks that are strong one way or the other, > but not in tandem. In > comparison to the other 44 stocks in the industry, > SHFL rates first in > fundamentals, a hair better than PENN. It ranks 5th > in overall technical > condition. It's rare to find stocks that get a > "perfect" fundamental score. > In SHFL's case, it looses some points due to the > slight deceleration in > sales and earnings growth rates and due to the net > shares sold by > institutions which both Roger and Tomas mentioned. > > -On the chart: It is true that SHFL originally set > up in a cup with handle > pattern back in March. It appeared on one of our > watchlists 3/31 and set up > with the pivot as you described: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL033103.JPG > > However, it did not breakout at that time. You can > see a close up of the > action shortly after. While it tried to break free, > it did not do so on > volume, so effectively, the right side of the cup > continued to form: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFLSincePivot0303.JPG > > In general, I don't much like the volume on the > right side of the > continuation of the cup. It looks wedge-like to me > and I think SHFL may need > to spend some time in the current handle to properly > shake out that lousy > action in the base. It might be a bit easier to see > in a weekly chart: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL050903Wkly.JPG > (Note: current pivot > is at 24.85) > > > -General comments: When I first took a look at SHFL > this morning, I truly > expected to see the industry action rolling over. As > jans mentioned, this > group has been strong in the last couple of years > and the odds of an > industry staying at the top after such a long time > is rather low. However, > when I took a look at the industry action as a whole > and at the charts of > the stocks within the industry, I noticed that for > the most part, most of > the stocks have been oscillating sideways for quite > a while. That *could* > very well indicate a shoring up for another move up. > Looking at the chart of > the industry technicals and rank as a whole, there's > certainly evidence that > the group is turning back *up* rather than rolling > over and heading down: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGaming050903.JPG > > The popularity of gambling escapes me, so I can't > say that this group has > ever interested me enough to dive into the details, > but technically and > fundamentally, there seems to be some promise in the > group. Here's one last > look at the distribution of the group across the CE > Zone Map: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGamingMap050903.JPG > > This shows that there are quite a few stocks with > good CANSLIM > characteristics, i.e. a good combo of both > fundamentals and technical, as > the number of stocks in the green zone area are > pretty impressive. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:52 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL > > > Roger, Jans, > > I believe Roger is looking at the institutional > ownership activities for the stock when he commented > about the institional thing. > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp?Symbol=s > hfl > > I cannot comment on the RS lines from Jans' input > since I don't have much experience reading the RS > line. > > The fundies for SHFL looks good. 15.69 out of 18 > (very good) for the CS evaluator. The zone is green > 4-4. The institional ownership looks too high ~98%. > Anyone want to correct me on this opinion? > > Looking at the chart, left side of the cup starts at > 11/4/02 and right side of the cup is at 3/21/03 > at $21.98. Handle is from 3/22 to 4/29. Handle > trended down, which is good. BO is on 4/30 > with not as much volume as I would have liked. But > big volume two days later. > > If you agreen with the CwH dates, then the stock is > a > little extended. > > Just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > Roger, > > > > What gives you the clue that "...institutions > > seem to be getting out." > > The number of funds invested in SHFL, according to > > Daily Graphs Online, from > > June/02 to March/03 is 81->98 (although in Dec. it > > was 99). Is this the only > > signal that you see? > > > > In my opinion I wouldn't invest in SHFL for > > these reasons: 1) I believe > > strength of the Leisure/Gaming Equip. industry is > > beginning to end; its power > > was shown in the past few months and now-in my > > opinion-it's going to > > dissipate. The stocks in this group are already > > surfeited and ready to > > digest their gains. The up and coming industries, > I > > believe, will have to do > > with Technology and Medical stocks. > > > > Also, specifically to SHFL, notice the four > > weakly peaks it has made > > since May/01. Around 25 seems to be the > resistance > > point. And the > > RelativeStrengthLine does not indicate that the > > stock is strong enough to > > break the resistance. I conclude this because: > > Notice that the previous > > peak's RSL was in strong divergence from its prior > > resistance peak (in early > > Nov./02). > > > > However, in last week's price peak (at the > > resistance) RSL is either > > below or just barely above (it is certainly not > > showing the kind of strength > > the previous RSL showed at Nov/02's resistance > > point). > > > > jans > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Duane Runnels" Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 02:02:37 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3182A.8F6D3DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Katherine, While I understand "I" is not a deal breaker, is there some level of = institutional or Mutual Fund ownership that would scare you from buying = a particular stock? For instance, tonight I was looking at some = prospects, but shied away from them when I saw IO > 80%. Thanks for your perspective and thoughtful insight. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3182A.8F6D3DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Katherine,
 
While I understand "I" is not a = deal=20 breaker, is there some level of institutional or Mutual Fund ownership = that=20 would scare you from buying a particular stock?  For instance, = tonight I=20 was looking at some prospects, but shied away from them when I saw IO = >=20 80%.
Thanks for your perspective and = thoughtful=20 insight.
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3182A.8F6D3DA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 02:23:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3182D.84249210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Duane, I'll have to be honest and say "no." I've researched WON's writings on this for some time and my conclusion is that he believes that there isn't any particular percentage ownership that is "good" or "bad." My general take is that he is far more interested in the *trend* of ownership, the "quality" of ownership and the fact that there are "at least a few " institutional owners. All that is just a general indication that the underlying business is attractive enough that the big boys want in on the act. In general, WON seems to focus more on mutual fund ownership than that larger generic "institutional ownership" grouping that so many web sites feature. That makes it a tough measurement unless you have access to DGO data, where their analysts are able to break down the numbers into more meaningful sub groupings of institutional owners. Another thing to consider is that percentage ownership changes depending on how many shares are outstanding and/or in the float. Companies change their equity structure constantly either by issuing more shares in primary offerings, retiring stock, issuing more debt, etc. When it boils down to it, the price/volume action and fundamental track record is far more meaningful. While I'm much more interested in the technical and fundamental condition of the stock than I am in an iffy measurement like this, that's not true of all CANSLIMers. For example, Mark Boucher, who is a CANSLIMer at heart (though he has his own approach based on those roots), limits his candidates to those with 10-30% ownership. Maybe when you're running a billion dollar hedge fund that's a big deal, but for the rest of us, I'm not sure that it makes much difference. At the same time, while I say I don't pay much attention to percentage ownership, I *do* tend to prefer "undiscovered gems." I click my heals when I find a new company that's never crossed my radar and that I've never seen mentioned in an article. For the most part, those *tend* to have low institutional ownership, but that's not what draws me to them in the first place. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duane Runnels Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:03 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Katherine, While I understand "I" is not a deal breaker, is there some level of institutional or Mutual Fund ownership that would scare you from buying a particular stock? For instance, tonight I was looking at some prospects, but shied away from them when I saw IO > 80%. Thanks for your perspective and thoughtful insight. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3182D.84249210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Duane,
 
I'll have to be honest and say = "no." I've=20 researched WON's writings on this for some time and my conclusion is = that he=20 believes that there isn't any particular percentage ownership that is = "good" or=20 "bad." My general take is that he is far more interested in the *trend* = of=20 ownership, the "quality" of ownership and the fact that there are "at = least a=20 few " institutional owners. All that is just a general indication that = the=20 underlying business is attractive enough that the big boys want in on = the act.=20 In general, WON seems to focus more on mutual fund ownership than that = larger=20 generic "institutional ownership" grouping that so many web sites = feature. That=20 makes it a tough measurement unless you have access to DGO data, where = their=20 analysts are able to break down the numbers into more meaningful sub = groupings=20 of institutional owners.
 
Another thing to consider is that = percentage=20 ownership changes depending on how many shares are outstanding and/or in = the=20 float. Companies change their equity structure constantly either by = issuing more=20 shares in primary offerings, retiring stock, issuing more debt, etc. = When it=20 boils down to it, the price/volume action and fundamental track record = is far=20 more meaningful.
 
While I'm much more interested in = the=20 technical and fundamental condition of the stock than I am in an iffy=20 measurement like this, that's not true of all CANSLIMers. For example, = Mark=20 Boucher, who is a CANSLIMer at heart (though he has his own approach = based on=20 those roots), limits his candidates to those with 10-30% ownership. = Maybe when=20 you're running a billion dollar hedge fund that's a big deal, but for = the rest=20 of us, I'm not sure that it makes much difference.
 
At the same time, while I say I = don't pay=20 much attention to percentage ownership, I *do* tend to prefer = "undiscovered=20 gems." I click my heals when I find a new company that's never crossed = my radar=20 and that I've never seen mentioned in an article. For the most part, = those=20 *tend* to have low institutional ownership, but that's not what draws me = to them=20 in the first place.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duane=20 Runnels
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:03 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional=20 Ownership

Katherine,
 
While I understand "I" is not = a deal=20 breaker, is there some level of institutional or Mutual Fund ownership = that=20 would scare you from buying a particular stock?  For instance, = tonight I=20 was looking at some prospects, but shied away from them when I saw IO = >=20 80%.
Thanks for your perspective = and=20 thoughtful insight.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3182D.84249210-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Date: 12 May 2003 00:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, I see. Make sense. thanks tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Thanks, Tomas. > > I think that for the most part, insider activity is > a hard nut to crack. > Others are likely to give you a different point of > view on this one, but I > think insider activity is only significant in a > couple of ways. First, > insiders are going to sell, that's the nature of > ownership. They'll sell to > rebalance their portfolios, to send Susie to > college, to buy a new house, > etc. By itself, selling doesn't really mean > anything. However, consistent > selling at fresh lows is not a good thing. This is > one time when you want to > see insider selling abate. Second, I am more > interested in the trend of > insider buying. Say, for example there has been very > little insider buying > and then suddenly there's a rash of it. The change > in tone can be a clue > that something is going on. Similarly, buying at new > 52 week highs may be an > indication that insiders see something of value, > despite the fresh highs. > > All in all, I see this as only a tertiary indicator. > All else being equal, > if I were trying to decide between 2 stocks, I'd use > this only as a tie > breaker. > > Here's one of my favorite insider links: > http://insider.thomsonfn.com/tfn/insider.asp?linkcode=7rdcg6divt9fsuu5awkj > > You might also use the IBD archives to search for > articles on insider > trading: www.investors.com > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:13 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL > > > Katherine, > > As always, I like to read your email a few times b/c > it has so much valuable information. > > One question, you mention about not putting too much > weight on institional activities. How much weight > do > you put on the insider trading? I see quite a few > CANSLIM stocks that has been going up being sold by > insiders. If you see about 10% of stocks own by > insiders sold in the last 6 months, do you think > twice > before considering this stock? > > tomas > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > > > Hi Tomas, Roger, jans, > > > > I thought it would be appropriate to comment on > some > > of the figures Tomas > > gave in his reply, as he mentions numbers from our > > site. > > > > -On fundamentals: Our CANSLIM Evaluator (CE) is > > divided into 2 separate > > figures, one for fundamentals (i.e. the drivers of > > technical action) and one > > for technicals (the price/volume action). For > SHFL, > > the total of 15.69 is > > derived from a technical score of 6.47 (out of 7 > > possible) and a fundamental > > score of 9.22 (out of 11 possible). That's nothing > > to sneeze at, but I > > wouldn't want to mislead anybody into thinking > that > > all 15.69 points were > > derived from fundamentals alone. Part of our > > reasoning for having these two > > separate components is to be sure that a stock has > a > > good combination of > > *both* fundamental and technical attributes at the > > same time. That helps > > avoid stocks that are strong one way or the other, > > but not in tandem. In > > comparison to the other 44 stocks in the industry, > > SHFL rates first in > > fundamentals, a hair better than PENN. It ranks > 5th > > in overall technical > > condition. It's rare to find stocks that get a > > "perfect" fundamental score. > > In SHFL's case, it looses some points due to the > > slight deceleration in > > sales and earnings growth rates and due to the net > > shares sold by > > institutions which both Roger and Tomas mentioned. > > > > -On the chart: It is true that SHFL originally set > > up in a cup with handle > > pattern back in March. It appeared on one of our > > watchlists 3/31 and set up > > with the pivot as you described: > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL033103.JPG > > > > However, it did not breakout at that time. You can > > see a close up of the > > action shortly after. While it tried to break > free, > > it did not do so on > > volume, so effectively, the right side of the cup > > continued to form: > > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFLSincePivot0303.JPG > > > > In general, I don't much like the volume on the > > right side of the > > continuation of the cup. It looks wedge-like to me > > and I think SHFL may need > > to spend some time in the current handle to > properly > > shake out that lousy > > action in the base. It might be a bit easier to > see > > in a weekly chart: > > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SHFL050903Wkly.JPG > > (Note: current pivot > > is at 24.85) > > > > > > -General comments: When I first took a look at > SHFL > > this morning, I truly > > expected to see the industry action rolling over. > As > > jans mentioned, this > > group has been strong in the last couple of years > > and the odds of an > > industry staying at the top after such a long time > > is rather low. However, > > when I took a look at the industry action as a > whole > > and at the charts of > > the stocks within the industry, I noticed that for > > the most part, most of > > the stocks have been oscillating sideways for > quite > > a while. That *could* > > very well indicate a shoring up for another move > up. > > Looking at the chart of > > the industry technicals and rank as a whole, > there's > > certainly evidence that > > the group is turning back *up* rather than rolling > > over and heading down: > > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGaming050903.JPG > > > > The popularity of gambling escapes me, so I can't > > say that this group has > > ever interested me enough to dive into the > details, > > but technically and > > fundamentally, there seems to be some promise in > the > > group. Here's one last > > look at the distribution of the group across the > CE > > Zone Map: > > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/LeisureGamingMap050903.JPG > > > > This shows that there are quite a few stocks with > > good CANSLIM > > characteristics, i.e. a good combo of both > > fundamentals and technical, as > > the number of stocks in the green zone area are > > pretty impressive. > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 04:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Even though I'm not Katherine (and I see she has already responded), I'd like to weigh in here with something that doesn't exactly answer the question - but is obliquely related. If the float is particularly low - because a good chunk of stock is owned by insiders (as contrasted to institutions), a dramatic shift in the stock price is more likely than if the float is high. Take a look at a graph of USNA over the last 3-5 years (www.bigcharts.com can do this). USNA is roughly 65%-70% owned by one man - the founder. Their business model has been consistent over the last several years, yet the stock price is all over the place (although it does trend well). Its been picked up on CANSLIM screens several times. I owned it on a couple occasions, and always lost money. If I'd held it since the initial purchase, I'd have been ahead though. Anyway... its just one example, but my experience is that if institutional ownership is really low because the shares are concentrated in one hand, then wild fluctuations are more likely. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duane Runnels > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:03 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership > > > Katherine, > > While I understand "I" is not a deal breaker, is there some level > of > institutional or Mutual Fund ownership that would scare you from > buying a > particular stock? For instance, tonight I was looking at some > prospects, but > shied away from them when I saw IO > 80%. > Thanks for your perspective and thoughtful insight. > ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 12 May 2003 07:55:54 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3185B.E9FABC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This FAQ is also available at: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip (zipped version for those who are having trouble displaying the document within their browser) Scope of discussion, Etiquette: Here are a couple of quotes from the welcome email that Jeff Salisbury, the list owner and host, sends to each new member: "This is an unmoderated discussion group whose purpose is to provide a forum for individuals to: 1.. Discuss the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM. 2.. Add to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal experience. 3.. Exchange sources of information on the internet and software that can be used to select stocks using the CANSLIM methodology. 4.. Discuss specific equities and how they may or may not meet the CANSLIM criteria. " "Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and personal attacks will be removed from our group." “By signing up for this list, you agree to the following: This list is a private list. All information that you take from this list is for your private use only. Commercial use of this information is forbidden.” Commonly used (misc) abbreviations: BO or B/O = Breakout DD= Due Diligence dMA = days Moving Average (a simple moving average unless otherwise specified) FTD = Follow Through Day http://www.market-tester.com/primer.htm HTMMIS = "How to Make Money in Stocks" by William J. O'Neil IBD = Investors Business Daily (www.investors.com) IMHO = In My Humble Opinion sometimes used as IMO or JMO or my $0.02 LOL = Laughing Out Loud M = Market ( the "M" in CANSLIM) MA = Moving Average N = New (the "N" in CANSLIM) VR = Virtual Reality fund (Fund where “everything’s real except the money”…see www.marketocracy.com) WON = William O'Neil, originator of CANSLIM IBD/CANSLIM Proprietary Rankings: A/D = Accumulation/Distribution EPS = Earnings per Share Rank GRS = Group Relative Strength RS = Relative Strength SMR = Sales/Margins/ROE Comp = Composite Ranking Accounting/Finance Abbreviations: BS or B/S = Balance Sheet cflo = Cash Flow D/E = Debt to Equity IS or I/S = Income Statement PE or P/E = Price to Earnings ratio Pro Forma earnings = http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm Accounting 101: http://uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm http://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/ http://www.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc Commonly discussed technical patterns: 2B=Double Bottoms A Base = Ascending Base C&H or CwH = Cup and Handle (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WON_cwh.htm.) FB=Flat Base HTF = High Tight Flag LLUR = Lower Left Upper Right (a stock on the rise, channeling in a tight range) For general discussion of chart patterns: http://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html Commonly discussed software/tools: AAII Stock Investor Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money back guarantee DGO= DailyGraphs Online ( www.dailygraphs.com ) – 7 day trial $19.95 HGSI = High Growth Stock Investing (www.highgrowthstock.com) – 60 day paid trial $49 QP2 = Quotes Plus (www.qp2.com) TC2000 = Worden Brothers TC2000 technical analysis software (http://www.tc2000.com ) -30 day free trial VV= VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com) – 5 week trial $9.95 If you are new to CANSLIM investing (or just need a refresher): Take advantage of the excellent learning center at the IBD site-- www.investors.com/learn Free sites for stock scanning: http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp http://www.marketguide.com/screen/SScreen.asp http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/stockresearch/screener/ Free sites for charting: www.stockcharts.com www.bigcharts.com http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=csco Due diligence sites: Company's web site http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco.html http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=CSCO www.cwhcharts.com/canslim (limited to 5 stocks per person per day) www.investors.com (Requires subscription-look for the stock checkup feature) http://my.zacks.com/reports/reports.php3?HLITE1=6699BC&HLITE2=DEDEC5&ticker=SBUX &session=TMP.JEFFREY&type=100 (This is the “Whole Enchilada” report) Free sites for viewing industry information: http://host.wallstreetcity.com/wsc2/Industry_Group_Report.html http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/industry/bigcharts-com/ http://www.prophet.net/explore/sectorrankings.jsp http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/Itechnicals?Sector=0 Free resources for real time tracking: www.quotetracker.com Tools provided by members: -CANSLIM Evaluator provided by Mike Gibbons: A tool that evaluates a stock against each of the CANSLIM criteria except M. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim) -Charts for CANSLIM provided by Mike Gibbons: A straightforward chart showing the price/volume action, pivots, % off 52 wk high, RS Line relative to the S&P500, RS Rank plotted over time, U/D ratio over time. Displays daily for 3, 6, 9, or 12 months (daily) or 1, 2 or 3 years (weekly). Updated with delayed intraday pricing as well. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php) -CANSLIMLinks provided by Katherine Malm: An Excel spreadsheet that contains macros for creating links to sites useful for evaluating CANSLIM stocks. Allows you to list stocks of your choosing. Full functionality only available with Excel 2000 for Windows. Limited functionality in prior versions. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CANSLIMLinksAutomated.zip) -Favorite Resources provided by Katherine Malm: A Word document listing various sites I find useful in CANSLIM investing. (http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/FavoriteResourcesKM.doc) List FAQ compiled by Katherine Malm. If you have suggestions for additions and/or revisions, please contact me at kmalm@earthlink.net Rev 5/12/03 In memory of Tom Worley 4/26/03 Mentor, friend, and the anchor of the CANSLIM list for nearly 10 years Thank you for your many contributions. Rest in peace, Tom. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3185B.E9FABC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This FAQ is also available at: = http://WallStre= et-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc=20 or  http://Wall= Street-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip=20 (zipped version for those who are having trouble displaying the document = within=20 their browser)

 

Scope of=20 discussion, Etiquette:

Here are a = couple=20 of quotes from the welcome email that Jeff Salisbury, the list = owner and=20 host, sends to each new member:

 

"This is an = unmoderated=20 discussion group whose purpose is to provide a forum for individuals to: =

  1. Discuss=20 the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM.
  2. Add=20 to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal experience.
  3. Exchange=20 sources of information on the internet and software that can be used = to select=20 stocks using the CANSLIM methodology.
  4. Discuss=20 specific equities and how they may or may not meet the CANSLIM=20 criteria. "

"Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and personal attacks will = be=20 removed from our group."

=93By signing up for this list, you agree to the following:  = This list is=20 a private list.  All information that you take from this list is = for your=20 private use only.  Commercial use of this information is = forbidden.=94

Commonly used = (misc)=20 abbreviations:

BO or B/O =3D = Breakout

DD=3D Due = Diligence

dMA =3D days Moving = Average (a=20 simple moving average unless otherwise specified)

FTD =3D Follow = Through Day http://www.market-tester= .com/primer.htm

HTMMIS =3D "How to = Make Money in=20 Stocks" by William J. O'Neil

IBD =3D Investors = Business=20 Daily  (www.investors.com)

IMHO =3D In My Humble = Opinion=20 sometimes used as IMO or JMO or my $0.02

LOL =3D Laughing Out = Loud

M =3D Market ( the = "M" in=20 CANSLIM)

MA =3D Moving = Average

N =3D New (the "N" in = CANSLIM)

VR =3D Virtual = Reality fund (Fund=20 where =93everything=92s real except the money=94=85see = www.marketocracy.com)

WON =3D William = O'Neil, originator=20 of CANSLIM

 

IBD/CANSLIM = Proprietary=20 Rankings:

A/D =3D=20 Accumulation/Distribution

EPS =3D Earnings per = Share Rank

GRS =3D Group = Relative Strength

RS =3D Relative = Strength

SMR =3D = Sales/Margins/ROE

Comp =3D Composite = Ranking

 

Accounting/Finance=20 Abbreviations:

BS or B/S =3D Balance = Sheet

cflo =3D Cash = Flow

D/E =3D Debt to = Equity

IS or I/S =3D Income = Statement

PE or P/E =3D Price = to Earnings=20 ratio

Pro Forma earnings = =3D http://www.sec= .gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm

 

Accounting = 101:

http:= //uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm
http= ://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/
http://w= ww.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc

 

Commonly = discussed technical=20 patterns:

2B=3DDouble=20 Bottoms

A Base =3D Ascending = Base

C&H or CwH =3D = Cup and=20 Handle  (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WO= N_cwh.htm.)

FB=3DFlat Base

HTF =3D High Tight = Flag

LLUR =3D Lower Left = Upper=20 Right (a stock on the rise, channeling in a tight range)

For general = discussion of chart=20 patterns: h= ttp://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html<= /P>

 

Commonly = discussed=20 software/tools:

AAII Stock Investor = Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money back = guarantee

DGO=3D DailyGraphs=20 Online  ( www.dailygraphs.com ) =96 = 7 day trial=20 $19.95

HGSI =3D High Growth = Stock=20 Investing (www.highgrowthstock.com) = =96 60 day=20 paid trial $49

QP2 =3D Quotes Plus = (www.qp2.com)

TC2000 =3D  = Worden Brothers=20 TC2000 technical analysis software (http://www.tc2000.com ) -30 day free trial

VV=3D VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com) =96 5 week = trial=20 $9.95

 

If you are new to = CANSLIM=20 investing (or just need a refresher):

Take advantage of the = excellent=20 learning center at the IBD site-- www.investors.com/learn

 

Free sites for = stock=20 scanning:

htt= p://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp

http://www.marketg= uide.com/screen/SScreen.asp

http://= cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/stockresearch/screener/

 

Free sites for=20 charting:

www.stockcharts.com

www.bigcharts.com

http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?S= ymbol=3Dcsco

 

Due diligence = sites:

Company's web = site

http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco= .html

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=3D= CSCO

www.cwhcharts.com/canslim = (limited=20 to 5 stocks per person per day)

www.investors.com (Requires=20 subscription-look for the stock checkup feature)

h= ttp://my.zacks.com/reports/reports.php3?HLITE1=3D6699BC&HLITE2=3DDEDE= C5&ticker=3DSBUX&session=3DTMP.JEFFREY&type=3D100=20 (This is the =93Whole Enchilada=94 report)

 

Free sites=20 for viewing industry information:

h= ttp://host.wallstreetcity.com/wsc2/Industry_Group_Report.html

http://= bigcharts.marketwatch.com/industry/bigcharts-com/

http://www.pro= phet.net/explore/sectorrankings.jsp

ht= tp://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/Itechnicals?Sector=3D0

 

Free resources = for real time=20 tracking:

www.quotetracker.com

 

Tools provided by = members:

-CANSLIM Evaluator = provided by=20 Mike Gibbons: A tool that evaluates a stock against each of the CANSLIM = criteria=20 except M. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/cansli= m)

-Charts for = CANSLIM provided=20 by Mike Gibbons: A straightforward chart showing the price/volume = action,=20 pivots, % off 52 wk high, RS Line relative to the S&P500, RS Rank = plotted=20 over time, U/D ratio over time. Displays daily for 3, 6, 9, or 12 months = (daily)=20 or 1, 2 or 3 years (weekly). Updated with delayed intraday pricing as = well. (http://www.cwhcharts= .com/charts/kmchart.php)

-CANSLIMLinks = provided by=20 Katherine Malm: An Excel spreadsheet that contains macros for creating = links to=20 sites useful for evaluating CANSLIM stocks. Allows you to list stocks of = your=20 choosing. Full functionality only available with Excel 2000 for Windows. = Limited=20 functionality in prior versions. (htt= p://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/CANSLIMLinksAutomated.zip)

-Favorite Resources = provided by=20 Katherine Malm: A Word document listing various sites I find useful in = CANSLIM=20 investing. (http:/= /WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/FavoriteResourcesKM.doc)

 

 

List FAQ compiled by = Katherine=20 Malm. If you have suggestions for additions and/or revisions, please = contact me=20 at kmalm@earthlink.net

Rev 5/12/03

 

In memory of Tom = Worley=20 4/26/03

Mentor, friend, and = the anchor of=20 the CANSLIM list for nearly 10 years

Thank you for your = many=20 contributions. Rest in peace, Tom.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3185B.E9FABC80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 10:18:57 EDT Katherine, et al: If I'm not mistaken, the "undiscovered gems" analysis-that Katherine mentions-is the same type of evaluation that Tom would use. I recall him commenting time and time again, that he didn't pay much attention to the lack of ownership of a stock he was purchasing by institutions-mainly because (as I understood him) he enjoyed beating the big-boys to the punch. (He would, however, employ caution whenever too many institutions owned a stock. If they all sold at once..., he would say) jans In a message dated 5/12/2003 3:24:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << At the same time, while I say I don't pay much attention to percentage ownership, I *do* tend to prefer "undiscovered gems." I click my heals when I find a new company that's never crossed my radar and that I've never seen mentioned in an article. For the most part, those *tend* to have low institutional ownership, but that's not what draws me to them in the first place. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 10:27:24 EDT Dave: That's a good point, denoting, I believe, the owner selling when the stock is high and buying it back when the stock falls (ie. manipulating the stock). This also illustrates the point that the SEC is not going to hold your hand. Caveat Emptor. jans In a message dated 5/12/2003 7:42:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dfcameron@yahoo.com writes: << f the float is particularly low - because a good chunk of stock is owned by insiders (as contrasted to institutions), a dramatic shift in the stock price is more likely than if the float is high. Take a look at a graph of USNA over the last 3-5 years (www.bigcharts.com can do this). USNA is roughly 65%-70% owned by one man - the founder. Their business model has been consistent over the last several years, yet the stock price is all over the place (although it does trend well). Its been picked up on CANSLIM screens several times. I owned it on a couple occasions, and always lost money. If I'd held it since the initial purchase, I'd have been ahead though. Anyway... its just one example, but my experience is that if institutional ownership is really low because the shares are concentrated in one hand, then wild fluctuations are more likely. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "call me" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 12 May 2003 07:58:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3185C.46E5D0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was shocked and saddened by the news of Tom's death. He will be missed. =20 Please pass my condolences to his family. Marv ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Salisbury=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Fellow CANSLIM'rs, With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of Tom = Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his son = over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart wife = who passed away from cancer a few years ago. I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his office, = and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. Tom's = human resource officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at = his office:=20 ................ Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3185C.46E5D0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was shocked and saddened by the news = of Tom's=20 death.
He will be missed. 
 
Please pass my condolences to his=20 family.
 
Marv
 
 ----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Jeff Salisbury =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: = Tragic=20 Announcement

Fellow CANSLIM'rs,

With great sadness and regret I = reluctantly=20 announce the death of Tom Worley.  He was apparently killed in a = domestic=20 dispute with his son over this past weekend.  He was preceded in = death by=20 his sweetheart wife who passed away from cancer a few years = ago.

I=20 learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed = concerns to me=20 that she was unable to contact Tom.  I called his office, and = when I=20 asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy.  Tom's human = resource=20 officer sent me this announcement that was circulated at his = office:
................
Jeff Salisbury - canslim=20 admin/owner
------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3185C.46E5D0B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] TSCO Date: 12 May 2003 11:17:41 EDT --part1_26.394c3439.2bf11515_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like this stock completed a cup with the right side of the cup (pivot) on April 16 at $43.45, then formed a handle and broke out on May 2, moving up to $45.95. Since then the price has fallen back into the buying range. What is interesting is that volume seems to be drying up? My question is, "Is this an indication that the formation is busted, or could another breakout be developing?" Charley --part1_26.394c3439.2bf11515_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like this stock=20= completed a cup with the right side of the cup (pivot) on April 16 at $43.45= , then formed a handle and broke out on May 2, moving up to $45.95.

Since then the price has fallen back into the buying range. What is inte= resting is that volume seems to be drying up? My question is, "Is this an in= dication that the formation is busted, or could another breakout be developi= ng?"

Charley --part1_26.394c3439.2bf11515_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom Worley: Tragic Announcement Date: 12 May 2003 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Wow - I'm just getting caught up after a few days away, what a stunning piece of news. They say it's not what you take with you, it's the values, beliefs, wisdom, etc. you leave behind with others that matters. Tom certainly did that - it wasn't the profit he made from EPIQ, it was the sharing of why he made the transactions; it wasn't the return on his portfolio or VR fund, it was his commitment to teaching and explaining what he thought of each stock, technique, or topic. How many times did Tom explain what LLUR meant - and each time as if it were the first time. The effort he put into teaching and sharing his knowledge to those of us on this list was amazing. I feel blessed to have learned from him. Marc --- Jeff Salisbury wrote: > Fellow CANSLIM'rs, > > With great sadness and regret I reluctantly announce the death of > Tom > Worley. He was apparently killed in a domestic dispute with his > son > over this past weekend. He was preceded in death by his sweetheart > wife > who passed away from cancer a few years ago. > > I learned of this tragedy when Katherine Malm privately expressed > concerns to me that she was unable to contact Tom. I called his > office, > and when I asked to speak to Tom, was informed of the tragedy. > Tom's > human resource officer sent me this announcement that was > circulated at > his office: > > Please be advised that there will be a Mass honoring Mr. Thomas > > Worley at > Saint Mary's Cathedral on Thursday May 8th, at ten in the > morning . > Saint Mary's is located on the corner of N.W. 75th Street and > N.W. 2nd > Avenue. The best way to go is to get off on the N.W. 79th > Street exit on > I-9. > > Katherine and I have not yet been able to find an online obituary > or > newspaper article. However, in memory of Tom, Katherine has found > and > compiled the following links: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/SmartInvestorWorley.txt > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TomWorley011002.jpg > > Tom wrote this bio himself: > > http://www.souza.com/go70/worley.htm > > I have known Tom for the past decade, corresponding by private > email > regularly and often. I've also spoken with Tom on occasion by > phone. > > Tom was one of the first half-dozen people who signed up for our > CANSLIM > email community. Most likely Tom has been a member of our CANSLIM > community longer than any other person. Right from the beginning > of our > CANSLIM community Tom exhibited his paternal instincts towards our > membership. Through the years, Tom consistently reached out to > every > new participant. He would welcome them, and then generously and > gently > give of his time and talents. Tom was truly the father of our > community. > > In my personal interaction with Tom, I came to know Tom as a > sensitive, > gentle, and thoughtful soul. > > Tom, I'll miss you! I hope you are now with your sweetheart wife > in a > joyful place where there are no more tears, sorrow, or pain. > > Jeff Salisbury - canslim admin/owner > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 12:52:49 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_057C_01C31885.64E93D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us spent a lot of time trying to determine the importance of = 'I' and we came to the conclusion that WON needed a vowel to tie CANSLIM = together.=20 The study concluded: 1) a min/max 'number' was personal preference and varied by guru and/or = investing software and data suppliers 2) data sources (MSN, HGSI, AAII, DGO, AM*) varied greatly 3) what to count as an institution is still up for debate 4) asking Bill came up with: =20 Institutional sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better = performing mutual funds owning the stock. They're the ones who will = drive the stock up on a sustained basis They backed away from that because the better/best performing mutual = funds were mostly Bear Funds.... this was during the lengthy down market I like 'I' as a VOWEL.... less to look at and more meaningful. Gene ------=_NextPart_000_057C_01C31885.64E93D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several of us spent a lot of time = trying to=20 determine the importance of 'I' and we came to the conclusion that WON = needed a=20 vowel to tie CANSLIM=20 together.
 
The study concluded:
1) a min/max 'number' was = personal=20 preference and varied by guru and/or investing software and data=20 suppliers
2) data sources (MSN, HGSI, AAII, DGO, = AM*)=20 varied greatly
3) what to count as an = institution is still=20 up for debate
4) asking Bill came up = with: 
 
Institutional=20 sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better performing = mutual=20 funds owning the stock. They're the ones who will drive the stock up on = a=20 sustained basis
 
They backed away from = that because=20 the better/best performing mutual funds were mostly Bear Funds.... = this was=20 during the lengthy down market
 
I like 'I' as a = VOWEL.... less to=20 look at and more meaningful.
 
Gene
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_057C_01C31885.64E93D30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TSCO Date: 12 May 2003 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Charley, I've been watching TSCO also and agree with your assessment of the pivot. In fact there are several places in the right side of the cup, and the handle, where the price action moved sideways or somewhat down while volume dried up. Today's action is encouraging - big move up on higher volume. My opinion is that it broke out as you mentioned. Then it moved back towards it's pivot as WON states that 40% of stocks do (42.75 intra day low on 5/8) after the breakout. So perhaps a continuation of the 5/2 breakout. TSCO has been appearing on various IBD screens for a long time. Marc --- Chazmoore@aol.com wrote: > It looks like this stock completed a cup with the right side of the > cup > (pivot) on April 16 at $43.45, then formed a handle and broke out > on May 2, > moving up to $45.95. > > Since then the price has fallen back into the buying range. What is > > interesting is that volume seems to be drying up? My question is, > "Is this an > indication that the formation is busted, or could another breakout > be > developing?" > > Charley > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 15:59:20 EDT A possibly useful way to look at I is from the angle of your time horizon. If you're looking for stocks to buy on breakout, in the hope of riding them to substantial gains over a period of time, say, 1-3 months, then it may matter a whole lot if 90% of the stock is already in the hands of Institutions and Mutuals (I&M's). You might want to stay out of stocks of which I&M's hold more than some percentage, like 50 or 60%. Tom Worley had an even lower maximum. Because they might take profi.t If, on the other hand, you're willing to settle for small gains in hope of rolling your cash over rapidly for good cumulative gain -- with a time horizon up to a month, then I doesn't make too much difference. How about the lower end? What minimum holding by I&M's. If at least 30% of a stock is held by I&M's, it shows some interest on their part. Since the I&M's sometimes follow each other like sheep, that's a plus factor. But, again, if your time horizon is short, and a stock is being accumulated, it isn't as important to have an existing interest on the part of the I&M's. Would be most interested in comments on this criterion of the C-M system. Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TSCO Date: 12 May 2003 20:38:50 EDT --part1_ac.3fd751c4.2bf1989a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc: This stock got a nice boost today (up $1.25), plus the volume was up 169%. I guess this qualifies for another breakout even though the price still has not exceeded the 5% growth above the pivot. I bought today but will watch closely since the chart sure looks choppy to me. Thanks for your comments. Charley --part1_ac.3fd751c4.2bf1989a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marc: This stock got a ni= ce boost today (up $1.25), plus the volume was up 169%. I guess this qualifi= es for another breakout even though the price still has not exceeded the 5%=20= growth above the pivot. I bought today but will watch closely since the char= t sure looks choppy to me.
Thanks for your comments. Charley --part1_ac.3fd751c4.2bf1989a_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 12 May 2003 22:35:08 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07D8_01C318D6.BDAE98B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us spent a lot of time trying to determine the importance of = 'I' and we came to the conclusion that WON needed a vowel to tie CANSLIM = together.=20 The study concluded: 1) a min/max 'number' was personal preference and varied by guru and/or = investing software and data suppliers 2) data sources (MSN, HGSI, AAII, DGO, AM*) varied greatly 3) what to count as an institution is still up for debate 4) asking Bill came up with: =20 Institutional sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better = performing mutual funds owning the stock. They're the ones who will = drive the stock up on a sustained basis They backed away from that because the better/best performing mutual = funds were mostly Bear Funds.... this was during the lengthy down market I like 'I' as a VOWEL.... less to look at and more meaningful. Gene ------=_NextPart_000_07D8_01C318D6.BDAE98B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us=20 spent a lot of time trying to determine the importance of 'I' and we = came to the=20 conclusion that WON needed a vowel to tie CANSLIM together.

The = study=20 concluded:
1) a min/max 'number' was personal preference and varied = by guru=20 and/or investing software and data suppliers
2) data sources (MSN, = HGSI,=20 AAII, DGO, AM*) varied greatly
3) what to count as an institution is = still up=20 for debate
4) asking Bill came up with: 

Institutional=20 sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better performing mutual = funds=20 owning the stock. They're the ones who will drive the stock up on a = sustained=20 basis

They backed away from that because the better/best = performing=20 mutual funds were mostly Bear Funds.... this was during the lengthy down = market

I like 'I' as a VOWEL.... less to look at and more=20 meaningful.

Gene ------=_NextPart_000_07D8_01C318D6.BDAE98B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: [CANSLIM] IART Date: 13 May 2003 00:01:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_bfW5XeTyBO/yYk2DkGuYeg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I am trying to evaluate the handle of this charts. Assuming you agree that a pivot was formed on april 25th, would this be considered a sideways moving handle? The volume seems to dry up, but the lows first move up, then move down, and now seem to move sideways. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJAskey@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 13 May 2003 09:10:48 EDT --part1_146.11400e5f.2bf248d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:36:18 PM Central Daylight Time, genr@swbell.net writes: > Institutional sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better performing > mutual funds owning the stock. They're the ones who will drive the stock up > on a sustained basis > You can build a spreadsheet of what the best funds are buying and selling thru www.nasdaq.com using the institutional holdings form for stocks. This is how I did it. First find a few funds that could be rated A+. The Calamos and Wasatch funds still make IBDs list although they may be B or C due to a bear market. Others to check are CGM Focus and Bjurman/Barry. Now find one or more stocks that a fund owns. You can use Morningstar or several other sources to find the top 10 holdings. EPIQ is owned by a couple funds and is a good stock to start with. Open an InfoQuote at www.nasdaq.com and then find the institutional holdings on the drop down menu. Click thru the pages until you find the fund/institution you want to investigate. Wasatch is on the top of the second page for me (when starting with EPIQ). Click on that institution. Now you have several pages of what that institution owns. The neat thing is you can copy and paste the holdings into Excel. Only select the table and be careful you don't select the entire page. After you copy each page into Excel you can now save this away for future reference. I use Edit->Clear->Formats on the copied data and then format it the way I want. This removes formats from the copy process that are probably not what will make your life easier. After I have saved a few of the best funds (maybe and hour or two of time) I can refer back to this table when I am deciding if I want to buy a stock. If I see one or more of the best funds have sold out of that fund then I usually pass. Sometimes you will find one fund sold out and another just started a new position. This shows there is no "right stock" to own as even the best funds disagree. Andy --part1_146.11400e5f.2bf248d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:36:18 PM Central Dayli= ght Time, genr@swbell.net writes:

Institutional sponsorship. You want at least a few of=20= the better performing mutual funds owning the stock. They're the ones who wi= ll drive the stock up on a sustained basis


You can build a spreadsheet of what the best funds are buying and selling th= ru www.nasdaq.com using the institutional hol= dings form for stocks.  This is how I did it.

First find a few funds that could be rated A+.  The Calamos and Wasatch= funds still make IBDs list although they may be B or C due to a bear market= .  Others to check are CGM Focus and Bjurman/Barry.

Now find one or more stocks that a fund owns.  You can use Morningstar=20= or several other sources to find the top 10 holdings.  EPIQ is owned by= a couple funds and is a good stock to start with.

Open an InfoQuote at www.nasdaq.com and then=20= find the institutional holdings on the drop down menu.  Click thru the=20= pages until you find the fund/institution you want to investigate.  Was= atch is on the top of the second page for me (when starting with EPIQ). = ; Click on that institution.  Now you have several pages of what that i= nstitution owns.

The neat thing is you can copy and paste the holdings into Excel.  Only= select the table and be careful you don't select the entire page.  Aft= er you copy each page into Excel you can now save this away for future refer= ence.  I use Edit->Clear->Formats on the copied data and then for= mat it the way I want.  This removes formats from the copy process that= are probably not what will make your life easier.

After I have saved a few of the best funds (maybe and hour or two of time) I= can refer back to this table when I am deciding if I want to buy a stock.&n= bsp; If I see one or more of the best funds have sold out of that fund then=20= I usually pass.  Sometimes you will find one fund sold out and another=20= just started a new position.  This shows there is no "right stock" to o= wn as even the best funds disagree.

Andy

 --part1_146.11400e5f.2bf248d8_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Fulling" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Date: 13 May 2003 09:19:15 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C31930.B9876A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gene WON has 2 business (or maybe more) he has his institutional = business & us little people. considering this i can see how the I is = important 2 WON. jim the NO. ID. lunker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership Several of us spent a lot of time trying to determine the importance = of 'I' and we came to the conclusion that WON needed a vowel to tie = CANSLIM together.=20 The study concluded: 1) a min/max 'number' was personal preference and varied by guru = and/or investing software and data suppliers 2) data sources (MSN, HGSI, AAII, DGO, AM*) varied greatly 3) what to count as an institution is still up for debate 4) asking Bill came up with: =20 Institutional sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better = performing mutual funds owning the stock. They're the ones who will = drive the stock up on a sustained basis They backed away from that because the better/best performing mutual = funds were mostly Bear Funds.... this was during the lengthy down market I like 'I' as a VOWEL.... less to look at and more meaningful. Gene=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C31930.B9876A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
gene WON has 2 business (or maybe more) = he has his=20 institutional business & us little people. considering this i can = see how=20 the I is important 2 WON.
jim the NO. ID. lunker
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:35 = PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Institutional=20 Ownership

Several of us spent a lot = of time=20 trying to determine the importance of 'I' and we came to the = conclusion that=20 WON needed a vowel to tie CANSLIM together.

The study = concluded:
1)=20 a min/max 'number' was personal preference and varied by guru and/or = investing=20 software and data suppliers
2) data sources (MSN, HGSI, AAII, DGO, = AM*)=20 varied greatly
3) what to count as an institution is still up for=20 debate
4) asking Bill came up with: 

Institutional=20 sponsorship. You want at least a few of the better performing mutual = funds=20 owning the stock. They're the ones who will drive the stock up on a = sustained=20 basis

They backed away from that because the better/best = performing=20 mutual funds were mostly Bear Funds.... this was during the lengthy = down=20 market

I like 'I' as a VOWEL.... less to look at and more=20 meaningful.

Gene ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C31930.B9876A50-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: [CANSLIM] Stock Charting & Technical Analysis Date: 13 May 2003 14:42:21 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3195D.DC971E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Best of the best - as rated by AAII These sites allow users to create price charts of securities and = indexes, as well as overlay technical indicators. The better sites in = this category allow users to modify the parameters of indicators, such = as the time period over which they are calculated. With Java technology, = sites such as BigCharts and Prophet can offer users the ability to draw = custom trendlines. These sites may also provide educational material on = technical analysis.=20 Gene . BigCharts www.bigcharts.com FREE=20 . Site specializing in stock charting.=20 . Offers high level of flexibility when creating charts, including time = period covered, frequency (one-minute, daily, weekly), price display = (bar, candlestick, etc.), chart size, and over 20 technical indicators. = Chart settings can be saved for future use. Java charts allow users to = plot custom trendlines.=20 . Limited ability to modify parameters underlying the technical = indicators. Can plot only three indicators per chart. No technical = analysis educational content.=20 . ClearStation www.clearstation.com FREE=20 . Comprehensive site offering stock charting, technical analysis, and = education.=20 . Good collection of technical analysis educational materials covering = chart basics, technical indicators, and chart patterns. The "Tag & Bag" = area lists stocks that have been screened and sorted based on technical, = fundamental, and Web site community events. A technical events area = breaks out stocks based on trending, timing, price action, most active, = and continuation trend.=20 Not able to alter the parameters underlying the technical indicators.=20 . CNBC at MSN Money http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/home.asp FREE=20 . Comprehensive site that offers charting. . Real-time intraday charting for registered users (free). Price data can = be exported from charts to a spreadsheet. Thirty years of price data = offered, when available. All seven price indicators can be customized, = as well as moving averages. Chart settings can be saved.=20 . Technical indicators cannot be plotted in real-time or for intraday = charts. No educational content pertaining to technical analysis.=20 . Dorsey Wright & Associates www.dorseywright.com FREE-$45/mo.=20 . Unique site specializing in point and figure charting.=20 . The PnF University is free to registered users and is dedicated to = education in the point and figure methodology. The university is broken = into lessons that contain a test at the end of each and also has = additional exercises to practice what you learn and a glossary of point = and figure terms. Subscribers have access to point and figure charts on = over 6,200 stocks, relative strength charts on each stock, mutual fund = charts (for an additional fee), and columns written by company analysts = about the market, sectors, stocks, and trading philosophies. Subscribers = can also search the database by sector, price, trend, momentum, and buy = and sell signals. Can save charts in portable document format (PDF).=20 . Since the point and figure charts are pre-drawn, users are limited in = the control they have over the way the charts look. Can only alter scale = and size of chart.=20 . ProphetFinance.com www.prophetfinance.com FREE-$199.50/yr.=20 . Site specializing in technical analysis and charting. . Several services to choose from at the site. SnapCharts is a free = end-of-day charting service with data back to 1968 (when available) that = allows the overlay of up to five customizable indicators. JavaCharts = provide additional interaction, including the ability to select a point = on a chart and receive the open, high, low, and closing prices and = volume for that particular point in time. These charts also allow users = to draw custom trendlines and choose from over 20 technical indicators, = all of which can be customized. Other subscriptions provide real-time, = dynamic charts and indicators.=20 . Limited technical analysis educational content.=20 . StockCharts.com www.stockcharts.com FREE-$19.95/mo.=20 . Site specializing in charting, technical analysis and education. . Chart School provides extensive discussion of various chart types and = technical indicators as well as an in-depth discussion of the features = of the site. Offers fully-customizable point and figure charts that also = provide indications of recently-formed chart patterns. Gallery View = gives you short-, medium-, and long-term views of any stock, index, or = mutual fund. Over 70 preinstalled scans will search for stocks and = mutual funds based on price performance, technical indicator values, = candlestick patterns, and point and figure patterns. Subscribers can = plot intraday charts, create on-line portfolios, plot up to 24 = indicators per chart, and create their own stock scans.=20 . Can only plot up to two moving averages and two indicators per chart = with free service.=20 . Wall Street City www.wallstreetcity.com FREE-$9.95/mo.=20 . Comprehensive site that offers charting and extensive coverage of = technical indicators, including screening by technicals. . Users can plot any of up to 12 customizable indicators on a chart. Also = able to modify chart size, chart type, time period plotted, and graph = scale. Screening mechanism provides extensive searches using technical = indicators. Subscribers receive arrows that show breakouts based on the = indicators plotted and the return based on trading those signals.=20 . No educational content for technical analysis.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3195D.DC971E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Best of the best - as rated by = AAII

These sites allow users to create = price charts=20 of securities and indexes, as well as overlay technical indicators. The = better=20 sites in this category allow users to modify the parameters of = indicators, such=20 as the time period over which they are calculated. With Java technology, = sites=20 such as BigCharts and Prophet can offer users the ability to draw custom = trendlines. These sites may also provide educational material on = technical=20 analysis.
 
Gene
.
BigCharts
www.bigcharts.com
FREE =
.
Site specializing in stock charting.=20
.
Offers high level of flexibility when = creating=20 charts, including time period covered, frequency (one-minute, daily, = weekly),=20 price display (bar, candlestick, etc.), chart size, and over 20 = technical=20 indicators. Chart settings can be saved for future use. Java charts = allow users=20 to plot custom trendlines. 
.
Limited ability to modify = parameters=20 underlying the technical indicators. Can plot only three indicators per = chart.=20 No technical analysis educational content.
.
ClearStation
www.clearstation.com
FREE=20
.
Comprehensive site offering stock charting, technical = analysis, and=20 education. 
.
Good collection of technical analysis educational materials = covering=20 chart basics, technical indicators, and chart patterns. The =93Tag & = Bag=94 area=20 lists stocks that have been screened and sorted based on technical, = fundamental,=20 and Web site community events. A technical events area breaks out stocks = based=20 on trending, timing, price action, most active, and continuation trend. =

Not able to alter the parameters underlying the technical = indicators.=20
.
CNBC at MSN Money
http://moneycentra= l.msn.com/investor/home.asp
FREE
.
Comprehensive site that offers charting.
.
Real-time intraday charting for registered users (free). Price data = can be=20 exported from charts to a spreadsheet. Thirty years of price data = offered, when=20 available. All seven price indicators can be customized, as well as = moving=20 averages. Chart settings can be saved.
.
Technical indicators cannot be plotted in real-time or for intraday = charts.=20 No educational content pertaining to technical analysis.
.
Dorsey Wright & Associates
www.dorseywright.com
FREE=97$= 45/mo.=20
.
Unique site specializing in point and figure charting.
.
The PnF University is free to registered users and is dedicated to=20 education in the point and figure methodology. The university is broken = into=20 lessons that contain a test at the end of each and also has additional = exercises=20 to practice what you learn and a glossary of point and figure terms. = Subscribers=20 have access to point and figure charts on over 6,200 stocks, relative = strength=20 charts on each stock, mutual fund charts (for an additional fee), and = columns=20 written by company analysts about the market, sectors, stocks, and = trading=20 philosophies. Subscribers can also search the database by sector, price, = trend,=20 momentum, and buy and sell signals. Can save charts in portable document = format=20 (PDF).
.
Since the point and figure charts are pre-drawn, users = are=20 limited in the control they have over the way the charts look. Can only = alter=20 scale and size of chart.
.
ProphetFinance.com
www.prophetfinance.com
FREE= =97$199.50/yr.=20
.
Site specializing in technical analysis and charting.
.
Several services to choose from at the site. SnapCharts is a free=20 end-of-day charting service with data back to 1968 (when available) that = allows=20 the overlay of up to five customizable indicators. JavaCharts provide = additional=20 interaction, including the ability to select a point on a chart and = receive the=20 open, high, low, and closing prices and volume for that particular point = in=20 time. These charts also allow users to draw custom trendlines and choose = from=20 over 20 technical indicators, all of which can be customized. Other=20 subscriptions provide real-time, dynamic charts and indicators. =
.
Limited=20 technical analysis educational content.
.
StockCharts.com
www.stockcharts.com
FREE=97$19= .95/mo.=20
.
Site specializing in charting, technical analysis and=20 education.
.
Chart School provides extensive discussion of various = chart=20 types and technical indicators as well as an in-depth discussion of the = features=20 of the site. Offers fully-customizable point and figure charts that also = provide=20 indications of recently-formed chart patterns. Gallery View gives you = short-,=20 medium-, and long-term views of any stock, index, or mutual fund. Over = 70=20 preinstalled scans will search for stocks and mutual funds based on = price=20 performance, technical indicator values, candlestick patterns, and point = and=20 figure patterns. Subscribers can plot intraday charts, create on-line=20 portfolios, plot up to 24 indicators per chart, and create their own = stock=20 scans.
.
Can only plot up to two moving averages and two indicators per = chart with=20 free service.
.
Wall Street City
www.wallstreetcity.com
FREE= =97$9.95/mo.=20
.
Comprehensive site that offers charting and extensive coverage of = technical=20 indicators, including screening by technicals.
.
Users can plot = any of up=20 to 12 customizable indicators on a chart. Also able to modify chart = size, chart=20 type, time period plotted, and graph scale. Screening mechanism provides = extensive searches using technical indicators. Subscribers receive = arrows that=20 show breakouts based on the indicators plotted and the return based on = trading=20 those signals.
.
No educational content for technical analysis.
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 13 May 2003 21:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > > > > Scope of discussion, Etiquette: > > Here are a couple of quotes from the welcome email > that Jeff Salisbury, the list > owner and host, sends to each new member: > > > > "This is an unmoderated discussion group whose > purpose is to provide a forum for > individuals to: > > 1.. Discuss the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM. > 2.. Add to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal > experience. > 3.. Exchange sources of information on the > internet and software that can be > used to select stocks using the CANSLIM methodology. > 4.. Discuss specific equities and how they may or > may not meet the CANSLIM > criteria. " > "Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and > personal attacks will be removed > from our group." > > “By signing up for this list, you agree to the > following: This list is a > private list. All information that you take from > this list is for your private > use only. Commercial use of this information is > forbidden.” > > Commonly used (misc) abbreviations: > > BO or B/O = Breakout > > DD= Due Diligence > > dMA = days Moving Average (a simple moving average > unless otherwise specified) > > FTD = Follow Through Day > http://www.market-tester.com/primer.htm > > HTMMIS = "How to Make Money in Stocks" by William J. > O'Neil > > IBD = Investors Business Daily (www.investors.com) > > IMHO = In My Humble Opinion sometimes used as IMO or > JMO or my $0.02 > > LOL = Laughing Out Loud > > M = Market ( the "M" in CANSLIM) > > MA = Moving Average > > N = New (the "N" in CANSLIM) > > VR = Virtual Reality fund (Fund where “everything’s > real except the money”…see > www.marketocracy.com) > > WON = William O'Neil, originator of CANSLIM > > > > IBD/CANSLIM Proprietary Rankings: > > A/D = Accumulation/Distribution > > EPS = Earnings per Share Rank > > GRS = Group Relative Strength > > RS = Relative Strength > > SMR = Sales/Margins/ROE > > Comp = Composite Ranking > > > > Accounting/Finance Abbreviations: > > BS or B/S = Balance Sheet > > cflo = Cash Flow > > D/E = Debt to Equity > > IS or I/S = Income Statement > > PE or P/E = Price to Earnings ratio > > Pro Forma earnings = > http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm > > > > Accounting 101: > > http://uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm > http://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/ > http://www.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc > > > > Commonly discussed technical patterns: > > 2B=Double Bottoms > > A Base = Ascending Base > > C&H or CwH = Cup and Handle > (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WON_cwh.htm.) > > FB=Flat Base > > HTF = High Tight Flag > > LLUR = Lower Left Upper Right (a stock on the rise, > channeling in a tight range) > > For general discussion of chart patterns: > http://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html > > > > Commonly discussed software/tools: > > AAII Stock Investor Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money > back guarantee > > DGO= DailyGraphs Online ( www.dailygraphs.com ) – 7 > day trial $19.95 > > HGSI = High Growth Stock Investing > (www.highgrowthstock.com) – 60 day paid trial > $49 > > QP2 = Quotes Plus (www.qp2.com) > > TC2000 = Worden Brothers TC2000 technical analysis > software > (http://www.tc2000.com ) -30 day free trial > > VV= VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com) – 5 week trial > $9.95 > > > > If you are new to CANSLIM investing (or just need a > refresher): > > Take advantage of the excellent learning center at > the IBD site-- > www.investors.com/learn > > > > Free sites for stock scanning: > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp > > http://www.marketguide.com/screen/SScreen.asp > > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/stockresearch/screener/ > > > > Free sites for charting: > > www.stockcharts.com > > www.bigcharts.com > > http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=csco > > > > Due diligence sites: > > Company's web site > > http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco.html > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=CSCO > > www.cwhcharts.com/canslim (limited to 5 stocks per > person per day) > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 13 May 2003 23:48:12 -0500 Hi Tomas, Thanks for letting me know. Jeff does a sweep of files every now and then to keep the size of the CANSLIM FTP directory down. I've re-uploaded it to my own FTP server at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/FavoriteResourcesKM.doc Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:15 PM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > > > > Scope of discussion, Etiquette: > > Here are a couple of quotes from the welcome email > that Jeff Salisbury, the list > owner and host, sends to each new member: > > > > "This is an unmoderated discussion group whose > purpose is to provide a forum for > individuals to: > > 1.. Discuss the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM. > 2.. Add to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal > experience. > 3.. Exchange sources of information on the > internet and software that can be > used to select stocks using the CANSLIM methodology. > 4.. Discuss specific equities and how they may or > may not meet the CANSLIM > criteria. " > "Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and > personal attacks will be removed > from our group." > > By signing up for this list, you agree to the > following: This list is a > private list. All information that you take from > this list is for your private > use only. Commercial use of this information is > forbidden. > > Commonly used (misc) abbreviations: > > BO or B/O = Breakout > > DD= Due Diligence > > dMA = days Moving Average (a simple moving average > unless otherwise specified) > > FTD = Follow Through Day > http://www.market-tester.com/primer.htm > > HTMMIS = "How to Make Money in Stocks" by William J. > O'Neil > > IBD = Investors Business Daily (www.investors.com) > > IMHO = In My Humble Opinion sometimes used as IMO or > JMO or my $0.02 > > LOL = Laughing Out Loud > > M = Market ( the "M" in CANSLIM) > > MA = Moving Average > > N = New (the "N" in CANSLIM) > > VR = Virtual Reality fund (Fund where everythings > real except the moneysee > www.marketocracy.com) > > WON = William O'Neil, originator of CANSLIM > > > > IBD/CANSLIM Proprietary Rankings: > > A/D = Accumulation/Distribution > > EPS = Earnings per Share Rank > > GRS = Group Relative Strength > > RS = Relative Strength > > SMR = Sales/Margins/ROE > > Comp = Composite Ranking > > > > Accounting/Finance Abbreviations: > > BS or B/S = Balance Sheet > > cflo = Cash Flow > > D/E = Debt to Equity > > IS or I/S = Income Statement > > PE or P/E = Price to Earnings ratio > > Pro Forma earnings = > http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm > > > > Accounting 101: > > http://uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm > http://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/ > http://www.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc > > > > Commonly discussed technical patterns: > > 2B=Double Bottoms > > A Base = Ascending Base > > C&H or CwH = Cup and Handle > (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WON_cwh.htm.) > > FB=Flat Base > > HTF = High Tight Flag > > LLUR = Lower Left Upper Right (a stock on the rise, > channeling in a tight range) > > For general discussion of chart patterns: > http://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html > > > > Commonly discussed software/tools: > > AAII Stock Investor Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money > back guarantee > > DGO= DailyGraphs Online ( www.dailygraphs.com )  7 > day trial $19.95 > > HGSI = High Growth Stock Investing > (www.highgrowthstock.com)  60 day paid trial > $49 > > QP2 = Quotes Plus (www.qp2.com) > > TC2000 = Worden Brothers TC2000 technical analysis > software > (http://www.tc2000.com ) -30 day free trial > > VV= VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com)  5 week trial > $9.95 > > > > If you are new to CANSLIM investing (or just need a > refresher): > > Take advantage of the excellent learning center at > the IBD site-- > www.investors.com/learn > > > > Free sites for stock scanning: > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp > > http://www.marketguide.com/screen/SScreen.asp > > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/stockresearch/screener/ > > > > Free sites for charting: > > www.stockcharts.com > > www.bigcharts.com > > http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=csco > > > > Due diligence sites: > > Company's web site > > http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco.html > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=CSCO > > www.cwhcharts.com/canslim (limited to 5 stocks per > person per day) > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "inderjit" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 14 May 2003 07:14:49 -0400 Works fine for me. Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. (Disclaimer: I own all these). Have a nice day. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > >>>>snip>>>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: IDCC, GSOF, BCGI (was: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting)) Date: 14 May 2003 08:19:37 -0500 Hi inderjit, Anything in particular that you see and/or are concerned about with these holdings, e.g. technical, fundamental, industry group, market? Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:15 AM Works fine for me. Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. (Disclaimer: I own all these). Have a nice day. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > >>>>snip>>>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART Date: 14 May 2003 08:49:09 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C319F5.AF2A1B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, I find it helpful to step back and take a larger view of the chart in situations like this. While the handle itself has a little up/down action across the lows, it has a fairly tight range and shows that the stock is pulling back on decreasing volume. While an "ideal" handle drifts down on decreasing volume, the reality is that it's hard to find that ideal in all cases. The one thing I *don't* like is an upward drifting handle or a handle showing excessive distribution. IART doesn't currently show either of these characteristics. The one difficult part of the chart is that IART actually set up previously and then broke out of its first handle, but took a couple of days to do so decisively. In other words, it didn't generate the 150% + volume all at one time, but the pullback action in the current action is a sign that the move is being digested well. See an annotated chart with additional notes on the current base at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IART051303.JPG Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:02 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IART > > Hi all, > > I am trying to evaluate the handle of this charts. Assuming you agree > that a pivot was formed on april 25th, would this be considered a sideways > moving handle? > > The volume seems to dry up, but the lows first move up, then move down, > and now seem to move sideways. > > Thanks. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C319F5.AF2A1B00 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IgkNAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANMHBQAOAAkAMAAAAAMAKQEB A5AGAOQJAAAkAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAHgBwAAEAAAAFAAAASUFSVAAAAAACAXEAAQAAABsAAAABwxkEYB4phuLPDtNIMJfJ052QDH3l AEaSATAAAgEdDAEAAAAZAAAAU01UUDpLTUFMTUBFQVJUSExJTksuTkVUAAAAAAsAAQ4AAAAAQAAG DgDQdtAnGsMBAgEKDgEAAAAYAAAAAAAAAF9KHWjnNU9AjTMBkJ+vVTHCgAAACwAfDgEAAAACAQkQ AQAAAJgFAACUBQAAvggAAExaRnWI+C+GAwAKAHJjcGcxMjUWMgD4C2BuDhAwMzP5DsZmZQ9CAfcC pANjAgAEY2gKwHNldDAgHwdtAoMAUAPUAgBwcnF/DlARuAcTAoMUYRPPEgRhNmgDcQKAfQqACMgg Oy0JbzACgAqBdgiQd2tpC4BkNAxgYwBQCwNjQxOCC8M0IEhpB/FnHQSQLAqiCoQKgEkgZgkagSBp BUBoZWxwBGZ1AyB0byBzdJBlcCBiANBrIABwUx3AAZBrZR9QIAtgcsUccSAaMiBvZh6AHhA+IBHC BUALgB6wHeB1Ycx0aQIgBCBsaR/BIQDRBAAuIFci4Gwish/Q3xHQGpAjYR3gEgBsIOAR0BcEIB/x HeB0I2F1cC/4ZG93A6AA0CIiJfEDYMcEESECCQB3cywd0yTDImYLcHJseR6AaWe6aAVAcg8RH9Ed sXMXcN8nQCDxIhAg8x7Abx8xBAD8IHAeYCKADyAfBCZBBYHXGNAkwCtCdgbwdQeAIxZZA5EiaQEA B0AiI8Zk/waBJFAr8CXCK98s4SdgIQK/LDElEShgKtEp4x3gJwQg/xHRH4EeoB2TMcQt4iGSB0Dd AyBjJMAHkCMQVCERAiAXIrMrUR1wKiWwbid03ioidCrRA5ElgHcyci6zfytCI9UFsR/wI9UpgitC ZWx4YweQAJB2LpEEAHQZBRBidSIiIxBJQVL+VC8RB5A18SEwCHAY0AIw/yhRKYI5kB3gHhAFwCDU EgD/ITMmAQZxHsAN4DSZOkABIP8N4B5gBUAKsQVAINwpxTsj/yYBIgArIDxxEhAlcSrwGNB7GjAI YHMoUR9jHhADoGL/A2AfwQhgQEMkQR2BEfAnkv8j8idgOqEegURgH+EFoCWA4zgyIOBkYXkmwR6g JbD/HrBH4QWQBAA6AShQOwEvUbU9A3cFsGQnVDpAZDuyHxxwNRAo4B7QIPMxNTD4JSArLKU0AyoB NQMHcf9GFSERKwIfFCYUIaEhAzwE906HJNIAkGdPEioFBGA6Ef0q0WI84CtROkAccB7BHcB6dx4g bCMQBmAtcwBwbn9JUEsRHcAhRAPwIQAfUGT/OkAiIjOxU/EHkSZBTzofEBs9sSIQOhy6KLB0cDoI Ly93WNAuY3doxyFDIwAFoG0vayIQPREJC4BlLzsiMDUxM6EPUC5KUEccuktaBuccugr0IoAzNgFA G2ABQO8UMFXhJhATcSADMA8EG/ChFaQxNiAtYGJPBRDWZwuAM7FNOdFhHHBgYx8ctl6UXmELE16W aS0xjDQ0AUAigDE4MAFAowzQZANiIEYDYToDMN0MkmISMCXBBJAtNFAAgDkigG1AIoAewCMAeG3n BAE60lmxIFsAwAMQHpD2OmY/Z01dCuMKgWUwBmB3AjBXkGXFTQIgR4EnYE17R5BLgDInYAHQD1BL gDCiOl+gIFBNaudUaKCBZbZDQU5TTEluCLBTdWJqXsFrt1tvVf9qwDsiXMxij17CXeYAUA8H3xOD AdAcEjQRHK1haCA6cP55K0IekUMgB0AiASN7INN3KtFZRV8gQQQQLOArQnnfCGAfUAnCKdQf8HA6 AElQ90mgJMECEHIHgB3AJkIUMGsDEQ4wXHqgcCBRIQBc/1PwffN6oGUwJ2BJsB5gMxL/UeNG0QCB BIFS0VCSAQA3EPdHoVGRN7g/HLo0wkwFEgD8ZW1HtHegJXFNaCciRUX/UZOEskPzUZMlsidgH2JT 8N8H4IPiHoJRk4EGLoJ8AHDma4l8X0cgPYwvjT+OLP8ctBxTF0E3EFgLAZA3EDnATwIwKOBTMDUQ dC8ctFv+TzUXAaBEogqxVSAokIQQb2WQKYAu0SPBcH4QAIAu/l2SBSMwRBF7EipxhMF7Ef4nGNAv ETUQlPZ0+BzDF9ECAJjQHgBCEAEAAAA1AAAAPFBDRUhMS0tES01OSE5QTE9GR0dMQUVIS0NGQUEu cm9nZXJAdGF3YWNlbnRyYWwubmV0PgAAAAALAAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAA AAMAA4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA UoUAAH1uAQAeAAmACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA5LjAACwANgAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAgoUAAAEAAAALADqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMA PIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwA9gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUA AAAAAAALAFKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAAAAMAU4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABG AAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAAgH4DwEAAAAQAAAAX0odaOc1T0CNMwGQn69VMQIB+g8BAAAAEAAAAF9KHWjn NU9AjTMBkJ+vVTECAfsPAQAAALIAAAAAAAAAOKG7EAXlEBqhuwgAKypWwgAAUFNUUFJYLkRMTAAA AAAAAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4AAABDOlxEb2N1bWVudHMgYW5kIFNldHRpbmdzXEthdGhlcmlu ZSBNYWxtXExvY2FsIFNldHRpbmdzXEFwcGxpY2F0aW9uIERhdGFcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tc TWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tcb3V0bG9vay5wc3QAAAADAP4PBQAAAAMADTT9NwAAAgF/AAEAAAAz AAAAPEVQRUFJTkRERk9OS0lDTUhMQ0FFTUVLTkNNQUEua21hbG1AZWFydGhsaW5rLm5ldD4AAAMA BhCGDm9IAwAHEC8FAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERADAAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASElST0dFUixJRklORElU SEVMUEZVTFRPU1RFUEJBQ0tBTkRUQUtFQUxBUkdFUlZJRVdPRlRIRUNIQVJUSU5TSVRVQVRJT05T TElLRVRISVNXSElMRVRIRUhBTkRMRUlUU0VMRgAAAADnpA== ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C319F5.AF2A1B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 14 May 2003 09:57:19 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A29.1E39ED59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Group, =20 I agree with Chris and Roger that ARTI looks nice. I remember Katherine = Malm saying there are no "perfect" CANSLIM stocks, but I would ask the = group how much weight they give to this stocks' few negative qualities: =20 ROE a bit low at 3.3% Can't tell if Artisan is buying back their own stock at this time, or = how much mgmt owns Institutional ownership at 60%+ (is this a negative) After tax profit margin declined last quarter from 15.8% to 7.5% =20 Otherwise, the stock looks very nice. The price action today is very = CANSLIM'ish as long as it can stay below its average vol. What are the = groups thoughts on ARTI? =20 Kelly -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:09 PM Chris I found it today in Where Big Money Flows. I find most of my buys = there. I boutght 2000 shares today at 22.80 lets see what happens. = Thanks for you input Roger ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:01 PM I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good. It looks like a good cup, = but I don't see any handle. The "trending up" handle just looks like part of = the cup to me, could someone point out the date of the handle to me? Even = so, lots of stocks make good runs without a handle. Nice breakout today. Roger, where did you first come accross ARTI? Was it just on the "Where = the Big Money's Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find it somewhere else first? Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM > Roger, > > The fundies looks very good. 15.99/18 from the CE. > Looks like a nice cup formation. The handle looks > like it is trending up. There was one down day at the > beginning of the handle. Not sure if this is a good > handle or not. Anyone care to comment on this? > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Roger < gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > > New Page 1 > > I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up > > 2,000shares are there and views out there on this > > stock. > > > > It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with > > his family > > > > Aloha > > > > Roger > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Group,
 
I=20 agree with Chris and Roger that ARTI looks nice. I remember Katherine = Malm=20 saying there are no "perfect" CANSLIM stocks, but I would ask the group = how much=20 weight they give to this stocks' few negative = qualities:
 
ROE a=20 bit low at 3.3%
Can't=20 tell if Artisan is buying back their own stock at this time, or how much = mgmt=20 owns
Institutional ownership at 60%+ (is this a = negative)
After=20 tax profit margin declined last quarter from 15.8% to = 7.5%
 
Otherwise, the stock looks very nice. The price action today is = very=20 CANSLIM'ish as long as it can stay below its average vol. What are the = groups=20 thoughts on ARTI?
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger=20 [mailto:gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 6:09=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ARTI

Chris
I found it = today in=20 Where Big Money Flows.  I find most of my buys there.  I = boutght=20 2000 shares today at 22.80 lets see what happens.  Thanks = for  you=20 input
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = ARTI

I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good.  It = looks=20 like a good cup, but I
don't see any handle.  The "trending = up"=20 handle just looks like part of the
cup to me, could someone point = out the=20 date of the handle to me?  Even so,
lots of stocks make good = runs=20 without a handle.  Nice breakout today.
Roger, where did you = first=20 come accross ARTI?  Was it just on the "Where the
Big = Money's=20 Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find = it
somewhere else=20 first?

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Tomas"=20 <tomas986@yahoo.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = ARTI


>=20 Roger,
>
> The fundies looks very good.  15.99/18 = from the=20 CE.
> Looks like a nice cup formation.  The handle = looks
>=20 like it is trending up.  There was one down day at the
>=20 beginning of the handle.  Not sure if this is a good
> = handle or=20 not.  Anyone care to comment on this?
>
> just my=20 $.02
> tomas
>
>
> --- Roger <gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com>= =20 wrote:
> > New Page 1
> > I am looking at ARTI I = am going=20 to pick up
> > 2,000shares are there and views out there on = this
> > stock.
> >
> > It is a shame = about Tom=20 Worley My prayers are with
> > his family
> = >
> >=20 Aloha
> >
> > Roger
> = >
>
>
>=20 __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> = The New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A29.1E39ED59-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "inderjit" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: IDCC, GSOF, BCGI Date: 14 May 2003 14:16:32 -0400 Hello Katherine. I know all have reasonable attractive canslim characters and fundamentals are good. While the telecommunication sector as a whole is doing well, BCGI is around 18% from its peak, which may be a selling indicator per O'neil. Any comments and what would you do if you bought close to the peak? Regards Inderjit -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:20 AM Posting)) Hi inderjit, Anything in particular that you see and/or are concerned about with these holdings, e.g. technical, fundamental, industry group, market? Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:15 AM Works fine for me. Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. (Disclaimer: I own all these). Have a nice day. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > >>>>snip>>>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE: IDCC, GSOF, BCGI Date: 14 May 2003 15:40:18 -0500 Hi Inderjit, Whew...I'd say if the BCGI purchase was made near the peak, that you had no wiggle room from the get-go, meaning that the odds of triggering an initial 7-8% stop loss was very high. Take a look and see how a good entry into the stock at the breakout 3/19 would've allowed some play in the position: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BCGI051403.JPG I'd agree that the industry as a whole is in good shape, but that doesn't make up for the price/volume action in any one individual stock. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TelecomWireless050903.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:17 PM Hello Katherine. I know all have reasonable attractive canslim characters and fundamentals are good. While the telecommunication sector as a whole is doing well, BCGI is around 18% from its peak, which may be a selling indicator per O'neil. Any comments and what would you do if you bought close to the peak? Regards Inderjit -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:20 AM Posting)) Hi inderjit, Anything in particular that you see and/or are concerned about with these holdings, e.g. technical, fundamental, industry group, market? Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:15 AM Works fine for me. Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. (Disclaimer: I own all these). Have a nice day. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > >>>>snip>>>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE: IDCC, GSOF, BCGI Date: 14 May 2003 13:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Hi Inderjit, Let me jump in and say if you bought "close to the peak" then you bought it pretty far extended. When did you pick up BCGI? Also, I just noticed it forms a 2yr cup (I usually stop at 1yr). Was that how you saw it? Either way, it did a huge gap up on its breakout with little chance to get in proper. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/14/03 11:16 AM > > Hello Katherine. I know all have reasonable attractive canslim characters and fundamentals are good. While the telecommunication sector as a whole is doing well, BCGI is around 18% from its peak, which may be a selling indicator per O'neil. Any comments and what would you do if you bought close to the peak? Regards Inderjit -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:20 AM Posting)) Hi inderjit, Anything in particular that you see and/or are concerned about with these holdings, e.g. technical, fundamental, industry group, market? Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:15 AM Works fine for me. Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. (Disclaimer: I own all these). Have a nice day. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM Katherine, FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > This FAQ is also available at: > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > or http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > (zipped version for those > who are having trouble displaying the document > within their browser) > >>>>snip>>>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. IBD Advertisement Date: 14 May 2003 17:55:49 EDT Canslimmers: Does anyone know what the deal is with that full page ad featured at the end of the A-section in IBD today? It touts Gary Halbert as being some kind of ingenious mkt-guru-but I've never heard of him. Has anyone here? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: [CANSLIM] GVHR Date: 14 May 2003 18:05:37 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BA_01C31A43.6BD9C230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone care to comment on GVHR? Gene ------=_NextPart_000_01BA_01C31A43.6BD9C230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone care to comment on = GVHR?
 
Gene
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Looks very extended from it's = base.  It broke=20 out from a CwH on 2-7-03, and has more than doubled since then.  = The=20 fundamentals don't look very good either.  The industry group is = doing=20 poorly, though it does seem to be a leader in the group.
 
I would shy away from it simply because = it's too=20 far extended from a good base, IMHO.
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 4:05=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] GVHR

Anyone care to comment on = GVHR?
 
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C31A35.0408CBA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. IBD Advertisement Date: 14 May 2003 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Just like all newspapers, IBD is no different. They have taken a beating in their circulation I'm sure. So...they took a huge chunk O' cash for that ad. Actually, if you look closer, IBD is filled with these types of ads...just not quite as big as this one. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/14/03 02:55 PM > > Canslimmers: Does anyone know what the deal is with that full page ad featured at the end of the A-section in IBD today? It touts Gary Halbert as being some kind of ingenious mkt-guru-but I've never heard of him. Has anyone here? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] GVHR Date: 14 May 2003 19:27:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C31A4E.DF7A6EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an opener to the discussion, what are your thoughts on GVHR? What do you like? What concerns you? What's *your* analysis? Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:06 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] GVHR Anyone care to comment on GVHR? Gene ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C31A4E.DF7A6EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As an opener to the discussion, = what are=20 your thoughts on GVHR? What do you like? What concerns you? What's = *your*=20 analysis?
 
Katherine
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Anyone care to comment on = GVHR?
 
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C31A4E.DF7A6EA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: IBD Ad Date: 14 May 2003 17:51:15 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C31A41.6A01B8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So if I'm understanding this correctly, I too can be a major market guru if I have enough money to buy a big ad in IBD.... Sounds like a deal to me!!! ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C31A41.6A01B8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So if = I'm=20 understanding this correctly, I too can be a
major = market guru=20 if I have enough money to buy a
big = ad in IBD....=20 Sounds like a deal to me!!!
------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C31A41.6A01B8C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART Date: 14 May 2003 21:39:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8K7nx5B7LRgcFzj2BHaMzw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Katherine. I do see the original breakout as you mention. Is a breakout that happens over more than one day a common thing? Or maybe it's a common thing in choppy markets? ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:49 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART Hi Roger, I find it helpful to step back and take a larger view of the chart in situations like this. While the handle itself has a little up/down action across the lows, it has a fairly tight range and shows that the stock is pulling back on decreasing volume. While an "ideal" handle drifts down on decreasing volume, the reality is that it's hard to find that ideal in all cases. The one thing I *don't* like is an upward drifting handle or a handle showing excessive distribution. IART doesn't currently show either of these characteristics. The one difficult part of the chart is that IART actually set up previously and then broke out of its first handle, but took a couple of days to do so decisively. In other words, it didn't generate the 150% + volume all at one time, but the pullback action in the current action is a sign that the move is being digested well. See an annotated chart with additional notes on the current base at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IART051303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:02 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] IART Hi all, I am trying to evaluate the handle of this charts. Assuming you agree that a pivot was formed on april 25th, would this be considered a sideways moving handle? The volume seems to dry up, but the lows first move up, then move down, and now seem to move sideways. 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"majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 14 May 2003 20:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Inderjit, Not sure what kind of comments are you looking for? Since you said you own these stocks, are you looking for a selling point comment? Or maybe how the current price action is doing? tomas --- inderjit wrote: > Works fine for me. > > Any comments on IDCC and GSOF and BCGI. > (Disclaimer: I own all these). > > Have a nice day. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly > Posting) > > Katherine, > > FYI, the Favorite Resource link is broken. > > tomas > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > This FAQ is also available at: > > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc > > or > http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.zip > > (zipped version for those > > who are having trouble displaying the document > > within their browser) > > > >>>>snip>>>> > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. IBD Advertisement Date: 14 May 2003 23:10:35 -0400 There is a Gary C. Halbert and a Gary D. Halbert. GDH of ProFutures emails a monthly newsletter for free. Don't know about guru but I find him thought provoking (fundamental 'M'). Here is a www copy of the latest issue; http://www.profutures.com/article.php/161/ Mike >Canslimmers: > > Does anyone know what the deal is with that full page ad featured at > the >end of the A-section in IBD today? > > It touts Gary Halbert as being some kind of ingenious mkt-guru-but I've >never heard of him. Has anyone here? > >jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GVHR Date: 14 May 2003 21:17:42 -0600 When someone posts a stock and asks for an opinion on it, they are asking other people to take the time to look at a stock that may or may not be worth looking at and I think it behooves the person asking for comments to give some minimal information up front, like what is the EPS rank, RS, industry strength, in short, what makes it a candidate in the first place. On 14 May 2003 at 18:05, Gene Ricci wrote: > Anyone care to comment on GVHR? > > Gene > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GVHR Date: 14 May 2003 22:48:47 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0302_01C31A6A.FAF5E3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, I sat here looking at your email and kept saying what the = heck... I couldn't figure out how you knew about a small group of us = owning GVHR. I was about to send you an email and when I clicked on = reply the CANSLIM address came up and not yours. Sure enough I sent it = to the wrong address.=20 Sorry for the error.... BTW, my data source shows pretty fair numbers for GVHR: EPS Rank =3D 84; RS Rank =3D 98; Group Rank =3D 71 Last QTR Sales % INCR =3D 12% Last QTR EPS % INCR =3D 140% % Funds Owning 23%; % of Insiders Owning 31% =20 (from WallStreetCity) The current wave of accumulation has outlasted all overhead resistance = from sellers and driven GVHR to a new fifty-two week high at 10.950. = This preponderance of buying makes the stock one to watch for continued = upside momentum. Further demand from investors could bring more new = highs. The last trade for GVHR was 10.880 on volume of 263,600 shares = traded. In the short term, GVHR may consolidate briefly before resuming = its current uptrend.=20 GVHR shows a substantial positive divergence from its 200-day moving = average line of more than 75%. Generally, the greater the difference = between a stock's price and this important long-term technical = indicator, the steeper will be that stock's long-term uptrend. A = divergence this large from the 200-day line ranks in the top five = percent of the market and is a bullish indication of long-term strength = for GVHR. This stock scores a superior buy-hold-sell rating. In addition to this, = a survey of recent changes in projected earnings and EPS surprise = figures reveals that GVHR is very highly regarded with a rating among = the top ten percent of all stocks for Analyst Rank. It is important to = note how many industry professionals cover a stock when considering the = Analyst Rank score.=20 A top notch Momentum Ranking implies that this stock has seen bullish = upside volume and price gains within the past six weeks. This stock = could be a potential leader or riding a wave of accumulation within its = particular industry group. GVHR is one to watch considering this = excellent composite score for volume, group, price and EPS change = criteria. I don't see the cup and handle breakout on 2-7, now you know why I don't = look for them.=20 Gene P.S. the only stock that I personally discuss in the public is GE... and = then I only ask Fred for his opinion on that particular stock so that I = can get his take on the overall market..... =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Jones=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GVHR Looks very extended from it's base. It broke out from a CwH on = 2-7-03, and has more than doubled since then. The fundamentals don't = look very good either. The industry group is doing poorly, though it = does seem to be a leader in the group. I would shy away from it simply because it's too far extended from a = good base, IMHO. Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] GVHR Anyone care to comment on GVHR? 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Hi Chris, I sat here looking at your = email and=20 kept saying what the heck... I couldn't figure out how you knew = about a=20 small group of us owning GVHR.  I was about to send you an = email and=20 when I clicked on reply the CANSLIM address came up and not yours. = Sure=20 enough I sent it to the wrong address.
 
Sorry for = the error....
 
BTW, my data source shows pretty fair = numbers=20 for GVHR:
EPS Rank =3D 84; RS Rank =3D 98; Group = Rank =3D=20 71
Last QTR Sales % INCR =3D = 12%
Last QTR EPS % INCR =3D = 140%
% Funds Owning 23%;  % of = Insiders Owning=20 31%
 
(from WallStreetCity)
The current wave of accumulation has outlasted all overhead = resistance from=20 sellers and driven GVHR to a new fifty-two week high at 10.950. This=20 preponderance of buying makes the stock one to watch for continued = upside=20 momentum. Further demand from investors could bring more new highs. The = last=20 trade for GVHR was 10.880 on volume of 263,600 shares traded. In the = short term,=20 GVHR may consolidate briefly before resuming its current uptrend.
 
GVHR shows a substantial positive divergence from its 200-day = moving=20 average line of more than 75%. Generally, the greater the difference = between a=20 stock's price and this important long-term technical indicator, the = steeper will=20 be that stock's long-term uptrend. A divergence this large from the = 200-day line=20 ranks in the top five percent of the market and is a bullish indication = of=20 long-term strength for GVHR.
 
This stock scores a superior buy-hold-sell rating. In addition to = this, a=20 survey of recent changes in projected earnings and EPS surprise figures = reveals=20 that GVHR is very highly regarded with a rating among the top ten = percent of all=20 stocks for Analyst Rank. It is important to note how many industry = professionals=20 cover a stock when considering the Analyst Rank score.

A top notch Momentum Ranking implies that this stock has seen bullish = upside=20 volume and price gains within the past six weeks. This stock could be a=20 potential leader or riding a wave of accumulation within its particular = industry=20 group. GVHR is one to watch considering this excellent composite score = for=20 volume, group, price and EPS change criteria.

I don't see the cup and handle = breakout on 2-7,=20 now you know why I don't look for them.
Gene
 
P.S. the only stock that I personally = discuss in=20 the public is GE... and then I only ask Fred for his opinion on = that=20 particular stock so that I can get his take on the overall=20 market.....
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 6:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = GVHR

Looks very extended from it's = base.  It=20 broke out from a CwH on 2-7-03, and has more than doubled since = then. =20 The fundamentals don't look very good either.  The industry group = is=20 doing poorly, though it does seem to be a leader in the = group.
 
I would shy away from it simply = because it's too=20 far extended from a good base, IMHO.
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 4:05=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] GVHR

Anyone care to comment on = GVHR?
 
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_0302_01C31A6A.FAF5E3A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 14 May 2003 21:09:20 -0700 (PDT) APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby. The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on 1/30 at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is today to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 to buy. The handle was trending down. There was even a shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but still ended up on the higher price range of the day). The CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is that the handle is only about 6 days. Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by the CEO. What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow? I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock is on the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry about that fact? tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liptbeck@cs.com Subject: [CANSLIM] (no subject) Date: 15 May 2003 01:16:10 EDT Wow, I just read about Tom. What a shocking tragedy. My condolences to all who will miss him and my prayers for him on his journey to his next life becky - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART Date: 15 May 2003 09:04:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C31AC1.04865A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, I can't say that I've ever seen any official statistics on this, but I have definitely seen more of them over the last 2 or 3 years (choppy market) and I see them far less frequently than solid one day breakouts. Another way of thinking of it is to view the breakout from a weekly point of view. If you were to look at any particular stock in weekly mode, the overall base and the breakout during a particular *week* would be far more apparent. I call these "subtle breakouts" and the only way to take advantage of them is to buy when the stock hits the pivot on respectable volume, even if it's shy of the full 150%+ in one day. Then, look for the stock to show follow-through price/volume action the following day in order to make a decision as to whether to hold 'em or fold 'em. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:40 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART > > Thanks Katherine. > > I do see the original breakout as you mention. Is a breakout that happens > over more than one day a common thing? Or maybe it's a common thing in > choppy markets? > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:49 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IART > > Hi Roger, > > I find it helpful to step back and take a larger view of the > chart in situations like this. While the handle itself has a little > up/down action across the lows, it has a fairly tight range and shows that > the stock is pulling back on decreasing volume. While an "ideal" handle > drifts down on decreasing volume, the reality is that it's hard to find > that ideal in all cases. The one thing I *don't* like is an upward > drifting handle or a handle showing excessive distribution. IART doesn't > currently show either of these characteristics. The one difficult part of > the chart is that IART actually set up previously and then broke out of > its first handle, but took a couple of days to do so decisively. In other > words, it didn't generate the 150% + volume all at one time, but the > pullback action in the current action is a sign that the move is being > digested well. See an annotated chart with additional notes on the current > base at: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IART051303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:02 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IART > > Hi all, > > I am trying to evaluate the handle of this charts. > Assuming you agree that a pivot was formed on april 25th, would this be > considered a sideways moving handle? > > The volume seems to dry up, but the lows first move > up, then move down, and now seem to move sideways. > > Thanks. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C31AC1.04865A70 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GVHR Date: 15 May 2003 09:14:07 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0456_01C31AC2.56737290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Patrick, as I mentioned to Chris my note was sent to the wrong group. GVHR is up again today!=20 Ciao, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Wahl=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GVHR When someone posts a stock and asks for an opinion on it, they are=20 asking other people to take the time to look at a stock that may or = may not=20 be worth looking at and I think it behooves the person asking for=20 comments to give some minimal information up front, like what is the = EPS=20 rank, RS, industry strength, in short, what makes it a candidate in = the first=20 place. On 14 May 2003 at 18:05, Gene Ricci wrote: > Anyone care to comment on GVHR? >=20 > Gene >=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0456_01C31AC2.56737290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Patrick, as I mentioned to Chris my = note was=20 sent to the wrong group.
 
GVHR is up again today! =
 
Ciao,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick = Wahl=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 10:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = GVHR

When someone posts a stock and asks for an opinion on = it, they=20 are
asking other people to take the time to look at a stock that = may or=20 may not
be worth looking at and I think it behooves the person = asking for=20
comments to give some minimal information up front, like what is = the EPS=20
rank, RS, industry strength, in short, what makes it a candidate = in the=20 first
place.

On 14 May 2003 at 18:05, Gene Ricci = wrote:

>=20 Anyone care to comment on GVHR?
>
> Gene
>=20



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------=_NextPart_000_0456_01C31AC2.56737290-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. IBD Advertisement Date: 15 May 2003 10:35:34 EDT Mike: Thanks jans In a message dated 5/14/2003 11:13:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PatternDT@SoftHome.net writes: << There is a Gary C. Halbert and a Gary D. Halbert. GDH of ProFutures emails a monthly newsletter for free. Don't know about guru but I find him thought provoking (fundamental 'M'). Here is a www copy of the latest issue; http://www.profutures.com/article.php/161/ Mike >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. IBD Advertisement Date: 15 May 2003 10:35:45 EDT In a message dated 5/14/2003 11:13:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PatternDT@SoftHome.net writes: << http://www.profutures.com/article.php/161/ >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 12:19:52 EDT Tomas: I've been following this stock also. Not only are the fundies excellent, but the chart formation is nice also. Moreover, there is a high short interest; high ADV; and low float (relative to these two). The last point says to me that once the stock takes off, the shorts will be covering, and because of the low float and high ADV, there will be a short squeeze, ie. the shorts will be competing among themselves to buy-and there is only so much stock available. This will lead to the stock gapping up, most probably. But I am not buying now. And this is why: As I see it on the weekly, and even the daily, the stock has not BO yet on a closing basis. The RSL (relative strength line) shows that weakness is to continue (it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL (relative strength line) when APPX formed its left lip). Coupled this with the fact that the market seems like it is very OB right now (however, I must admit, if APPX had BO on a closing basis with anew high in the RSL-I'd buy it). This says to me that APPX will form a handle as the market corrects (probably to its uptrending 50). (If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that management is trying to manipulate the stock, or perhaps the funds know something (For example, that APPX's product (s) are for some reason going to lead to an earnings bust)) jans In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:10:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomas986@yahoo.com writes: << APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby..... Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow?>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 07:00:31 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31AAF.AC898B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas I see very little wrong with APPX no stock is perfect I picked up 2000 = share at 26.92 in premarket it was worth a try for me Aloha Roger ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas=20 To: canslim canslim=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby. The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on 1/30 at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is today to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 to buy. The handle was trending down. There was even a shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but still ended up on the higher price range of the day). The CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is that the handle is only about 6 days. Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by the CEO. What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow? I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock is on the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry about that fact?=20 tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31AAF.AC898B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tomas
I see very = little wrong=20 with APPX no stock is perfect I picked up 2000 share at 26.92 in = premarket it=20 was worth a try for me
Aloha
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 6:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason = why I=20 should not buy APPX?

APPX has very good fundies.  It has 15.13/18=20 from
Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not=20 too
shabby.

The chart looks good too.  Looks like left = cup on=20 1/30
at $27.75.  Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2.  BO is = today
to=20 $28.54 with heavy volume.  Still within the %5 to
buy.  = The=20 handle was trending down.  There was even a
shakeout day on = 5/8 (down=20 on heavier volume but still
ended up on the higher price range of = the=20 day).  The
CwH looks good.  The only thing bad about this = is=20 that
the handle is only about 6 days.

Management owns about = 71% of=20 the stock, mainly by the
CEO.

What do you guys/gals = think?  Any=20 reason why I should
not buy it tomorrow?

I read somewhere = about the=20 IBD curse, this stock is on
the "Stock in the News" today.  = Should I=20 be worry
about that fact?=20

tomas


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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31AAF.AC898B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Roger, let's hope we are right :). --- Roger wrote: > Tomas > I see very little wrong with APPX no stock is > perfect I picked up 2000 share at 26.92 in premarket > it was worth a try for me > Aloha > Roger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: canslim canslim > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy > APPX? > > > APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from > Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not > too > shabby. > > The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on > 1/30 > at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is > today > to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 > to > buy. The handle was trending down. There was > even a > shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but > still > ended up on the higher price range of the day). > The > CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is > that > the handle is only about 6 days. > > Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by > the > CEO. > > What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I > should > not buy it tomorrow? > > I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock > is on > the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry > about that fact? > > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Jans, You are giving me a lot of information to swallow. Thanks for the info. I'll try to understand all your analysis. Thanks, tomas --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Tomas: > > I've been following this stock also. Not only > are the fundies > excellent, but the chart formation is nice also. > Moreover, there is a high > short interest; high ADV; and low float (relative to > these two). > > The last point says to me that once the stock > takes off, the shorts > will be covering, and because of the low float and > high ADV, there will be a > short squeeze, ie. the shorts will be competing > among themselves to buy-and > there is only so much stock available. This will > lead to the stock gapping > up, most probably. > > But I am not buying now. And this is why: As > I see it on the weekly, > and even the daily, the stock has not BO yet on a > closing basis. The RSL > (relative strength line) shows that weakness is to > continue (it hasn't gone > to a new high compared with the stock's RSL > (relative strength line) when > APPX formed its left lip). > > Coupled this with the fact that the market > seems like it is very OB > right now (however, I must admit, if APPX had BO on > a closing basis with anew > high in the RSL-I'd buy it). This says to me that > APPX will form a handle as > the market corrects (probably to its uptrending 50). > > > (If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that > management is trying to > manipulate the stock, or perhaps the funds know > something (For example, that > APPX's product (s) are for some reason going to > lead to an earnings bust)) > > jans > > In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:10:45 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > tomas986@yahoo.com writes: > > << APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from > Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not > too > shabby..... Any reason why I should > not buy it tomorrow?>> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe McCall" Subject: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON Date: 15 May 2003 12:51:23 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C31AE0.B0B05B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After looking at ELON in IBD Stock Checkup (which showed up as #5 on = today's CwHCharts Chart Selector), I was a little surprised that it = received an IBD Overall Rating of 96, but its EPS rating was only 37. = The Group Fundamental Ratings also received a lowly 19. I don't even = think the chart looks that great. The RS line is rising, but the handle = is sloping up with decreasing volume. What does anyone think about this? How important really is the EPS and = other fundamental ratings? 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After looking at ELON in IBD Stock = Checkup (which=20 showed up as #5 on today's CwHCharts Chart Selector), I was a little = surprised=20 that it received an IBD Overall Rating of 96, but its EPS rating was = only=20 37.  The Group Fundamental Ratings also received a lowly 19.  = I don't=20 even think the chart looks that great.  The RS line is rising, but = the=20 handle is sloping up with decreasing volume.
 
What does anyone think about = this?  How=20 important really is the EPS and other fundamental ratings?
 
Thanks,
 
Joe McCall
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C31AE0.B0B05B10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Kerson" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 14:48:38 -0400 Hello Jans, What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this. Just wondering. Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:20 PM Tomas: I've been following this stock also. Not only are the fundies excellent, but the chart formation is nice also. Moreover, there is a high short interest; high ADV; and low float (relative to these two). The last point says to me that once the stock takes off, the shorts will be covering, and because of the low float and high ADV, there will be a short squeeze, ie. the shorts will be competing among themselves to buy-and there is only so much stock available. This will lead to the stock gapping up, most probably. But I am not buying now. And this is why: As I see it on the weekly, and even the daily, the stock has not BO yet on a closing basis. The RSL (relative strength line) shows that weakness is to continue (it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL (relative strength line) when APPX formed its left lip). Coupled this with the fact that the market seems like it is very OB right now (however, I must admit, if APPX had BO on a closing basis with anew high in the RSL-I'd buy it). This says to me that APPX will form a handle as the market corrects (probably to its uptrending 50). (If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that management is trying to manipulate the stock, or perhaps the funds know something (For example, that APPX's product (s) are for some reason going to lead to an earnings bust)) jans In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:10:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomas986@yahoo.com writes: << APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby..... Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow?>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Bogatay" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 17:42:18 -0400 While I'm still in "learning mode" and not playing with real money yet, I think I can answer these... (I haven't looked at the chart yet) Closing basis is simply the closing price. I think he means the price hasn't fully broken out yet. It's half-in, half-out. The second point is a scenario typically described in TA terms as divergance. When a price makes a new relative high, but the indicator does not -- that's divergance. When a price makes a new relative low, but the indicator does not -- that's also divergance. It's generally perceived as weakness against the current direction. I tried to find a website to better illustrate this, but all I could find was a definition: Divergance: Occurs when the trend of a security's price doesn't correspond with the trend of an indicator. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kerson Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:49 PM Hello Jans, What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this. Just wondering. Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:20 PM Tomas: I've been following this stock also. Not only are the fundies excellent, but the chart formation is nice also. Moreover, there is a high short interest; high ADV; and low float (relative to these two). The last point says to me that once the stock takes off, the shorts will be covering, and because of the low float and high ADV, there will be a short squeeze, ie. the shorts will be competing among themselves to buy-and there is only so much stock available. This will lead to the stock gapping up, most probably. But I am not buying now. And this is why: As I see it on the weekly, and even the daily, the stock has not BO yet on a closing basis. The RSL (relative strength line) shows that weakness is to continue (it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL (relative strength line) when APPX formed its left lip). Coupled this with the fact that the market seems like it is very OB right now (however, I must admit, if APPX had BO on a closing basis with anew high in the RSL-I'd buy it). This says to me that APPX will form a handle as the market corrects (probably to its uptrending 50). (If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that management is trying to manipulate the stock, or perhaps the funds know something (For example, that APPX's product (s) are for some reason going to lead to an earnings bust)) jans In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:10:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomas986@yahoo.com writes: << APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby..... Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow?>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 17:47:33 EDT Mark: << What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? >> By "closing basis" I mean that the stock has not broken out at its closing price. (Its high price-range yesterday was 28.54-this would have signaled a BO. However, it closed at 27.44-below its BO point. Because of this horrible Bear we've been in, and the OB state of the current Mkt., I am chary of buying on the BO unless the stock CLOSES above its Pivot Point. I also should add that (unless I'm really avid for the stock-as I am for APPX) I generally would not buy on the daily charts during the Bear, but wait to see if the BO on the weekly retrenches-in order to make sure that the BO is genuine.) >>Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this.<< Yes, the $27.75 Left Lip at the end of Jan. is what I'm referring to. Although I don't have stats on the success of my analysis, I believe that comparing how RSL acts at apexes, nadirs, left lips in comparison to right lips, and at double bottom troughs is important. WON describes that the RSL is important-I'm just refining his belief that RSL is important. I suppose I'm surmising that if the RSL is weaker on the right lip in comparison with the left lip (and both are about equal in price), then the RSL is implying that the stock is currently weak-not strong. (And the conclusion is that even if the RSL gains strength on the Handle, I'm less likely to cut it some slack because of its poor RSL on the right lip) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: FFIV Date: 15 May 2003 18:03:02 EDT Katherine: Would you see FFIV weekly as a failed BO (because of poor volume) of a nice looking double bottom (with the 2nd downleg being lower than the first) with a long handle (over 20 weeks)? Its industry is nice and its fundies look nice. It seems like its one of those stocks that should go higher but doesn't (the kind that makes technical analysis worthwhile). jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON Date: 15 May 2003 17:04:43 -0600 On 15 May 2003 at 12:51, Joe McCall wrote: > How important really is the EPS and other > fundamental ratings? I think EPS is fairly important, unless you have a reason to disregard it, which can happen. As an example of when to ignore the EPS, back in the good old days, Broadcom, before it started its big move up, had an EPS rank of about 70, although earnings were growing at 100% or more per quarter. Because the EPS is calculated by taking into account a number of quarters, it will lag when a company has a positive change of fortune, so in those cases, I think you can probably not worry too much if the EPS rank is low. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 15 May 2003 21:24:40 -0400 Hi Jans, I'm still not sure why you say 27.44 is below the BO point. You seem to agree that the left hand side of the cup is at 27.75 at the end of January. So that puts the pivot at 26.20, the intra-day high on May 5th. yes/no? Assuming you agree with this pivot, then appx BO on both the daily and weekly charts. Your point about waiting for a BO on the weekly is interesting though. Given that this week is still in the making, how do you handle that? disclaimer: I bought appx yesterday at 26.99. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:48 PM Mark: << What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? >> By "closing basis" I mean that the stock has not broken out at its closing price. (Its high price-range yesterday was 28.54-this would have signaled a BO. However, it closed at 27.44-below its BO point. Because of this horrible Bear we've been in, and the OB state of the current Mkt., I am chary of buying on the BO unless the stock CLOSES above its Pivot Point. I also should add that (unless I'm really avid for the stock-as I am for APPX) I generally would not buy on the daily charts during the Bear, but wait to see if the BO on the weekly retrenches-in order to make sure that the BO is genuine.) >>Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this.<< Yes, the $27.75 Left Lip at the end of Jan. is what I'm referring to. Although I don't have stats on the success of my analysis, I believe that comparing how RSL acts at apexes, nadirs, left lips in comparison to right lips, and at double bottom troughs is important. WON describes that the RSL is important-I'm just refining his belief that RSL is important. I suppose I'm surmising that if the RSL is weaker on the right lip in comparison with the left lip (and both are about equal in price), then the RSL is implying that the stock is currently weak-not strong. (And the conclusion is that even if the RSL gains strength on the Handle, I'm less likely to cut it some slack because of its poor RSL on the right lip) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ARTI Date: 16 May 2003 05:06:59 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31B68.FAD4E1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kelly, It's unlikely ARTI would be buying back stock, as they recently floated an *additional* 2.5 million shares in a primary offering this month. I suspect that digging into the financials would reveal that their acquisition of NurLogic earlier this year may have contributed to some of the decline in after tax profit margins and the low ROE. Management currently owns 10%, a decent figure. The 60% ownership is total institutional ownership as a percentage of outstanding shares, but mutual funds own only 17% of the float, which is fairly low. In a case like this, I personally weigh the evidence and see if the company's strategic advantage and their general business/market conditions make them a good CANSLIM candidate despite a few flaws in their overall financials. As others mentioned earlier, the lack of a significant pause on the right side of the cup in order to form a handle of at least 5 days means that it's a tougher/riskier entry. If it is truly a cup with no handle, then the breakout occurred when it cleared the left side of the cup (22.30) on volume on 5/9. As it's currently within 5% of the pivot, then technically, it's flashing a second chance entry. The only thing that bothers me is that high volume tail down on 5/12 and as you suggest, a little pause/pullback here on lower volume would lower the risk of entry in my mind. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kelly Short Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:57 AM Group, I agree with Chris and Roger that ARTI looks nice. I remember Katherine Malm saying there are no "perfect" CANSLIM stocks, but I would ask the group how much weight they give to this stocks' few negative qualities: ROE a bit low at 3.3% Can't tell if Artisan is buying back their own stock at this time, or how much mgmt owns Institutional ownership at 60%+ (is this a negative) After tax profit margin declined last quarter from 15.8% to 7.5% Otherwise, the stock looks very nice. The price action today is very CANSLIM'ish as long as it can stay below its average vol. What are the groups thoughts on ARTI? Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Roger [mailto:gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:09 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI Chris I found it today in Where Big Money Flows. I find most of my buys there. I boutght 2000 shares today at 22.80 lets see what happens. Thanks for you input Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Jones To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good. It looks like a good cup, but I don't see any handle. The "trending up" handle just looks like part of the cup to me, could someone point out the date of the handle to me? Even so, lots of stocks make good runs without a handle. Nice breakout today. Roger, where did you first come accross ARTI? Was it just on the "Where the Big Money's Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find it somewhere else first? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI > Roger, > > The fundies looks very good. 15.99/18 from the CE. > Looks like a nice cup formation. The handle looks > like it is trending up. There was one down day at the > beginning of the handle. Not sure if this is a good > handle or not. Anyone care to comment on this? > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Roger wrote: > > New Page 1 > > I am looking at ARTI I am going to pick up > > 2,000shares are there and views out there on this > > stock. > > > > It is a shame about Tom Worley My prayers are with > > his family > > > > Aloha > > > > Roger > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Hi Kelly,
 
It's unlikely ARTI would be buying = back=20 stock, as they recently floated an *additional* 2.5 million shares in a = primary=20 offering this month. I suspect that digging into the financials would = reveal=20 that their acquisition of NurLogic earlier this year may have = contributed to=20 some of the decline in after tax profit margins and the low ROE. = Management=20 currently owns 10%, a decent figure. The 60% ownership is total = institutional=20 ownership as a percentage of outstanding shares, but mutual funds own = only 17%=20 of the float, which is fairly low. In a case like this, I personally = weigh the=20 evidence and see if the company's strategic advantage and their general=20 business/market conditions make them a good CANSLIM candidate = despite a few=20 flaws in their overall financials.
 
As others mentioned earlier, the = lack of a=20 significant pause on the right side of the cup in order to = form a=20 handle of at least 5 days means that it's a tougher/riskier entry. If it = is=20 truly a cup with no handle, then the breakout occurred when it cleared = the left=20 side of the cup (22.30) on volume on 5/9. As it's currently = within 5%=20 of the pivot, then technically, it's flashing a second chance entry. The = only=20 thing that bothers me is that high volume tail down on 5/12 and as you suggest, a little pause/pullback here on = lower volume=20 would lower the risk of entry in my mind.
 
Katherine
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:57=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 ARTI

Group,
 
I=20 agree with Chris and Roger that ARTI looks nice. I remember Katherine = Malm=20 saying there are no "perfect" CANSLIM stocks, but I would ask the = group how=20 much weight they give to this stocks' few negative=20 qualities:
 
ROE=20 a bit low at 3.3%
Can't tell if Artisan is buying back their own stock at this = time, or=20 how much mgmt owns
Institutional ownership at 60%+ (is this a=20 negative)
After tax profit margin declined last quarter from 15.8% to=20 7.5%
 
Otherwise, the stock looks very nice. The price action today = is very=20 CANSLIM'ish as long as it can stay below its average vol. What are the = groups=20 thoughts on ARTI?
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger=20 [mailto:gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, = 2003 6:09=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ARTI

Chris
I found it = today in=20 Where Big Money Flows.  I find most of my buys there.  I = boutght=20 2000 shares today at 22.80 lets see what happens.  Thanks = for  you=20 input
Roger
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Chris=20 Jones
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = ARTI

I agree - fundies are good, CE looks good.  It = looks=20 like a good cup, but I
don't see any handle.  The = "trending up"=20 handle just looks like part of the
cup to me, could someone = point out=20 the date of the handle to me?  Even so,
lots of stocks = make good=20 runs without a handle.  Nice breakout today.
Roger, where = did you=20 first come accross ARTI?  Was it just on the "Where = the
Big=20 Money's Flowing" table at investors.com today, or did you find=20 it
somewhere else first?

Chris

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> Roger,
>
> The fundies looks very = good.  15.99/18 from the CE.
> Looks like a nice cup=20 formation.  The handle looks
> like it is trending = up. =20 There was one down day at the
> beginning of the = handle.  Not=20 sure if this is a good
> handle or not.  Anyone care to = comment=20 on this?
>
> just my $.02
>=20 tomas
>
>
> --- Roger <gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com>= =20 wrote:
> > New Page 1
> > I am looking at ARTI I = am=20 going to pick up
> > 2,000shares are there and views out = there on=20 this
> > stock.
> >
> > It is a shame = about Tom=20 Worley My prayers are with
> > his family
> = >
>=20 > Aloha
> >
> > Roger
>=20 >
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31B68.FAD4E1B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Kerson" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 16 May 2003 07:11:28 -0400 Thank you for answering my questions. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:48 PM Mark: << What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? >> By "closing basis" I mean that the stock has not broken out at its closing price. (Its high price-range yesterday was 28.54-this would have signaled a BO. However, it closed at 27.44-below its BO point. Because of this horrible Bear we've been in, and the OB state of the current Mkt., I am chary of buying on the BO unless the stock CLOSES above its Pivot Point. I also should add that (unless I'm really avid for the stock-as I am for APPX) I generally would not buy on the daily charts during the Bear, but wait to see if the BO on the weekly retrenches-in order to make sure that the BO is genuine.) >>Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this.<< Yes, the $27.75 Left Lip at the end of Jan. is what I'm referring to. Although I don't have stats on the success of my analysis, I believe that comparing how RSL acts at apexes, nadirs, left lips in comparison to right lips, and at double bottom troughs is important. WON describes that the RSL is important-I'm just refining his belief that RSL is important. I suppose I'm surmising that if the RSL is weaker on the right lip in comparison with the left lip (and both are about equal in price), then the RSL is implying that the stock is currently weak-not strong. (And the conclusion is that even if the RSL gains strength on the Handle, I'm less likely to cut it some slack because of its poor RSL on the right lip) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Kerson" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 16 May 2003 07:11:12 -0400 Thank you for your answer. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Bogatay Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:42 PM While I'm still in "learning mode" and not playing with real money yet, I think I can answer these... (I haven't looked at the chart yet) Closing basis is simply the closing price. I think he means the price hasn't fully broken out yet. It's half-in, half-out. The second point is a scenario typically described in TA terms as divergance. When a price makes a new relative high, but the indicator does not -- that's divergance. When a price makes a new relative low, but the indicator does not -- that's also divergance. It's generally perceived as weakness against the current direction. I tried to find a website to better illustrate this, but all I could find was a definition: Divergance: Occurs when the trend of a security's price doesn't correspond with the trend of an indicator. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kerson Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:49 PM Hello Jans, What do you mean by "...not broken out yet on a closing basis."? What is a "closing basis"? Also, when you say "(it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL when APPX formed its left lip)" are you referring to the RSL high point just under the $27.75 price point? And if so why is this important? I have not read (or at least I don't remember reading) anything in IBD that requires this. Just wondering. Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:20 PM Tomas: I've been following this stock also. Not only are the fundies excellent, but the chart formation is nice also. Moreover, there is a high short interest; high ADV; and low float (relative to these two). The last point says to me that once the stock takes off, the shorts will be covering, and because of the low float and high ADV, there will be a short squeeze, ie. the shorts will be competing among themselves to buy-and there is only so much stock available. This will lead to the stock gapping up, most probably. But I am not buying now. And this is why: As I see it on the weekly, and even the daily, the stock has not BO yet on a closing basis. The RSL (relative strength line) shows that weakness is to continue (it hasn't gone to a new high compared with the stock's RSL (relative strength line) when APPX formed its left lip). Coupled this with the fact that the market seems like it is very OB right now (however, I must admit, if APPX had BO on a closing basis with anew high in the RSL-I'd buy it). This says to me that APPX will form a handle as the market corrects (probably to its uptrending 50). (If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that management is trying to manipulate the stock, or perhaps the funds know something (For example, that APPX's product (s) are for some reason going to lead to an earnings bust)) jans In a message dated 5/15/2003 12:10:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomas986@yahoo.com writes: << APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too shabby..... Any reason why I should not buy it tomorrow?>> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: FFIV Date: 16 May 2003 08:33:13 -0500 Hi jans, Whew...could you have picked a tougher chart???? I agree that FFIV failed to break out of a double bottom (2B) base last August, but the action since then is too long in proportion to the base to be considered one long handle. When the price action lingers like that, I think it's easiest to instead look at it as a fresh base and evaluate it from there. (WON also suggests that when you have one formation *within* another, say a CwH inside a much larger CwH, that you look at the current base and determine the pivot accordingly.) After the attempted B/O from the 2B failed, the pattern I see is an Ascending Base (A-Base). I can't say that I've ever seen a base on base formation consisting of a 2B followed by an A-Base, but this is one for my study binder for sure! While it's not something I've seen exactly like this before, it makes a lot of sense. 2B's are typically bottoming formations and A-Bases are typically found coming out of Bear markets. Voila....now 2 for the price of one! Here's the action on a weekly basis with the base on base formation noted: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/FFIVWkly051503.JPG And here's a close up of the A-Base with yesterday's B/O showing clearly as the price rises above the upper trend line of the base: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/FFIV051503.JPG I'd agree...nice looking industry as well (I always love a rising industry!) http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/INetSecurNetwork050903.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:03 PM Katherine: Would you see FFIV weekly as a failed BO (because of poor volume) of a nice looking double bottom (with the 2nd downleg being lower than the first) with a long handle (over 20 weeks)? Its industry is nice and its fundies look nice. It seems like its one of those stocks that should go higher but doesn't (the kind that makes technical analysis worthwhile). jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON Date: 16 May 2003 09:31:51 -0500 Hi Joe, One of the difficulties with using the IBD's Composite (Overall) score is that they don't provide transparency with respect to the weightings they place on each of the factors comprising the final score. That doesn't invalidate its usefulness, but just points out that it's difficult to understand how the scoring is done and whether or not you would personally place the same weight on each factor. WON generally states that he considers the earnings growth to be the most important factor in determining the growth qualities of a stock, and despite the many other fundamental guidelines he provides in the rest of the CANSLIM letters, this was the one that was used to zoom in on the "best" stocks for many, many years (e.g. EPS/RS = 85/85 or better). Later, the IBD added SMR (sales-profit margins-ROE) as an additional fundamental ranking, and now they've come up with the composite score which combines the stock's fundamentals, technicals, group fundamentals and group technicals into one big package. While the EPS is given as a tool, WON has never advocated eliminating a stock from consideration if the preponderance of evidence suggests that it could be a winner. Patrick's BRCM is a great example and I have a binder full of others. In an Investor's Corner article dated 5/24/2 entitled "Not Every Stock Is Perfect", it states: "IBD has dozens of rules on how to buy a stock. They cover a company's growth rates, the level of activity among big investors and the stock's trading patterns. The rules are strict because you want to buy the highest-quality goods. In the market, quality wins. Yet don't get too carried away with the rules. Exceptions do occur. In certain markets, some factors take on greater importance than others. At other times, other factors call the shots. Rarely does a good stock own every single trait that all the very best winners of the past had. So as you build your watchlist, avoid being too rigid or mechanical." With a ranking mechanism like EPS you also have to be careful. Take an extreme example, if *every single stock* had *all* the desirable CANSLIM earnings growth rates, you're still going to have to rank them from best to worst, assigning 99 to some and 37 to others. Does it mean that the one with 37 didn't have the desirable growth rates? Not in this case. It simply means that it *ranked* behind others in some small way. Also, the EPS is a little slow to recognize turnaround situations. If the company had some down years and is recently pulling out, I see that as a good thing. Even WON in HTMMIS gives guidelines for turnarounds. Unfortunately, the EPS measurement doesn't kick in as quickly as the actual earnings turnaround, so the EPS score will stay low much longer than technical action in the stock would indicate. In a broader sense, when it comes to the fundmentals as a whole, again WON suggests looking at the preponderance of evidence to ascertain whether a stock should be considered further. In a recent "Ask Bill" , the question was "Many stocks breaking out lack some of the fundamentals you look for, such as ROE of 17%...Do you wait for "perfection" or do you weight the pros and cons and go for it?" The answer was "Generally, we will weigh the pluses and minuses if the stock is not a perfect fit and "go for it," as you say." Finally, when selecting candidates for purchase, I've always believed that technical action should speak first for the stock. The strength in the price/volume pattern over time is what should draw attention first, because even if fundamentals are great, without solid technicals and basing action providing a low-risk entry, it's not really worth bothering with the stock. I've always thought that the way the IBD presents the "20 rules" is a bit misleading, because it makes it seem as though each of the guidelines should be followed at all times and in tandem, when in fact, this has never been WON's approach. He is much more interested in whether the stock is telling a good story overall, not whether it fits neatly into an iron cage of a box. In another "Ask Bill", the question was "Is it more efficient to do fundamental analysis of companies and then look for favorable chart patterns, or to find chart patterns and then check the fundamentals?" The answer was "It is critical to analyze both the fundamentals and charts of any stock you consider buying. But as a screening method to find ideas, you may find it easier to start by first looking at the charts. The stock's base and technical characteristics are what help you decide when to buy. Also, charts often signal major trouble or a new rally in a stock before the fundamentals do. Once you've identified stocks with good bases or breakouts, analyze the company's earnings, sales, margins, etc." So, all in all, I'd look at the quality of ELON's current base, then look at the preponderance of evidence fundamentally, then look at the industry to see how the group is behaving overall, and then check to be sure ELON is the best the group and/or the market has to offer. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:05 PM On 15 May 2003 at 12:51, Joe McCall wrote: > How important really is the EPS and other > fundamental ratings? I think EPS is fairly important, unless you have a reason to disregard it, which can happen. As an example of when to ignore the EPS, back in the good old days, Broadcom, before it started its big move up, had an EPS rank of about 70, although earnings were growing at 100% or more per quarter. Because the EPS is calculated by taking into account a number of quarters, it will lag when a company has a positive change of fortune, so in those cases, I think you can probably not worry too much if the EPS rank is low. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe McCall Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:51 AM After looking at ELON in IBD Stock Checkup (which showed up as #5 on today's CwHCharts Chart Selector), I was a little surprised that it received an IBD Overall Rating of 96, but its EPS rating was only 37. The Group Fundamental Ratings also received a lowly 19. I don't even think the chart looks that great. The RS line is rising, but the handle is sloping up with decreasing volume. What does anyone think about this? How important really is the EPS and other fundamental ratings? Thanks, Joe McCall - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe McCall" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON Date: 16 May 2003 10:26:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31B95.A9D0B410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone,=20 I suggest we give Katherine a new nickname. Since "WON" is already = taken, let's use "WOW" for Katherine. I think what WOW said at the end was really good and summarizes CANSLIM = well: "So, all in all, I'd look at the quality of ELON's current base, then = look at the preponderance of evidence fundamentally, then look at the industry = to see how the group is behaving overall, and then check to be sure ELON is = the best the group and/or the market has to offer." Thanks, WOW, for taking the time to respond to my question. It helped a = lot. Joe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON Hi Joe, One of the difficulties with using the IBD's Composite (Overall) score = is that they don't provide transparency with respect to the weightings = they place on each of the factors comprising the final score. That doesn't invalidate its usefulness, but just points out that it's difficult to understand how the scoring is done and whether or not you would = personally place the same weight on each factor. WON generally states that he considers the earnings growth to be the = most important factor in determining the growth qualities of a stock, and = despite the many other fundamental guidelines he provides in the rest of the = CANSLIM letters, this was the one that was used to zoom in on the "best" = stocks for many, many years (e.g. EPS/RS =3D 85/85 or better). Later, the IBD = added SMR (sales-profit margins-ROE) as an additional fundamental ranking, and = now they've come up with the composite score which combines the stock's fundamentals, technicals, group fundamentals and group technicals into = one big package. While the EPS is given as a tool, WON has never advocated eliminating = a stock from consideration if the preponderance of evidence suggests = that it could be a winner. Patrick's BRCM is a great example and I have a = binder full of others. In an Investor's Corner article dated 5/24/2 entitled = "Not Every Stock Is Perfect", it states: "IBD has dozens of rules on how to buy a stock. They cover a = company's growth rates, the level of activity among big investors and the = stock's trading patterns. The rules are strict because you want to buy the highest-quality goods. In the market, quality wins. Yet don't get too carried away with the rules. Exceptions do = occur. In certain markets, some factors take on greater importance than = others. At other times, other factors call the shots. Rarely does a good stock = own every single trait that all the very best winners of the past had. So as you build your watchlist, avoid being too rigid or = mechanical." With a ranking mechanism like EPS you also have to be careful. Take an extreme example, if *every single stock* had *all* the desirable = CANSLIM earnings growth rates, you're still going to have to rank them from = best to worst, assigning 99 to some and 37 to others. Does it mean that the = one with 37 didn't have the desirable growth rates? Not in this case. It simply = means that it *ranked* behind others in some small way. Also, the EPS is a = little slow to recognize turnaround situations. If the company had some down = years and is recently pulling out, I see that as a good thing. Even WON in = HTMMIS gives guidelines for turnarounds. Unfortunately, the EPS measurement = doesn't kick in as quickly as the actual earnings turnaround, so the EPS score = will stay low much longer than technical action in the stock would = indicate. In a broader sense, when it comes to the fundmentals as a whole, again = WON suggests looking at the preponderance of evidence to ascertain whether = a stock should be considered further. In a recent "Ask Bill" , the = question was "Many stocks breaking out lack some of the fundamentals you look = for, such as ROE of 17%...Do you wait for "perfection" or do you weight the = pros and cons and go for it?" The answer was "Generally, we will weigh the = pluses and minuses if the stock is not a perfect fit and "go for it," as you = say." Finally, when selecting candidates for purchase, I've always believed = that technical action should speak first for the stock. The strength in the price/volume pattern over time is what should draw attention first, = because even if fundamentals are great, without solid technicals and basing = action providing a low-risk entry, it's not really worth bothering with the = stock. I've always thought that the way the IBD presents the "20 rules" is a = bit misleading, because it makes it seem as though each of the guidelines = should be followed at all times and in tandem, when in fact, this has never = been WON's approach. He is much more interested in whether the stock is = telling a good story overall, not whether it fits neatly into an iron cage of a = box. In another "Ask Bill", the question was "Is it more efficient to do fundamental analysis of companies and then look for favorable chart patterns, or to find chart patterns and then check the fundamentals?" = The answer was "It is critical to analyze both the fundamentals and charts = of any stock you consider buying. But as a screening method to find = ideas, you may find it easier to start by first looking at the charts. The = stock's base and technical characteristics are what help you decide when to buy. = Also, charts often signal major trouble or a new rally in a stock before the fundamentals do. Once you've identified stocks with good bases or = breakouts, analyze the company's earnings, sales, margins, etc." So, all in all, I'd look at the quality of ELON's current base, then = look at the preponderance of evidence fundamentally, then look at the industry = to see how the group is behaving overall, and then check to be sure ELON = is the best the group and/or the market has to offer. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON On 15 May 2003 at 12:51, Joe McCall wrote: > How important really is the EPS and other > fundamental ratings? I think EPS is fairly important, unless you have a reason to disregard = it, which can happen. As an example of when to ignore the EPS, back in = the good old days, Broadcom, before it started its big move up, had an EPS rank of about 70, although earnings were growing at 100% or more per quarter. Because the EPS is calculated by taking into account a = number of quarters, it will lag when a company has a positive change of = fortune, so in those cases, I think you can probably not worry too much if the = EPS rank is low. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe McCall Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:51 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON After looking at ELON in IBD Stock Checkup (which showed up as #5 on = today's CwHCharts Chart Selector), I was a little surprised that it received = an IBD Overall Rating of 96, but its EPS rating was only 37. The Group = Fundamental Ratings also received a lowly 19. I don't even think the chart looks = that great. The RS line is rising, but the handle is sloping up with = decreasing volume. What does anyone think about this? How important really is the EPS = and other fundamental ratings? Thanks, Joe McCall - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31B95.A9D0B410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everyone,
 
I suggest we give Katherine a new = nickname.  Since "WON" is already taken, let's use "WOW" for=20 Katherine.
 
I think what WOW said at the end = was really=20 good and summarizes CANSLIM well:
 
"So, all in all, I'd look at the quality of ELON's current base, = then look=20 at
the preponderance of evidence fundamentally, then look at the = industry=20 to
see how the group is behaving overall, and then check to be sure = ELON is=20 the
best the group and/or the market has to offer."
 
Thanks, WOW, for taking the time = to respond=20 to my question.  It helped a lot.
 
Joe
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:31 = AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Interesting IBD=20 Rating for ELON

Hi Joe,

One of the difficulties with using the = IBD's=20 Composite (Overall) score is
that they don't provide transparency = with=20 respect to the weightings they
place on each of the factors = comprising the=20 final score. That doesn't
invalidate its usefulness, but just = points out=20 that it's difficult to
understand how the scoring is done and = whether or=20 not you would personally
place the same weight on each = factor.

WON=20 generally states that he considers the earnings growth to be the=20 most
important factor in determining the growth qualities of a = stock, and=20 despite
the many other fundamental guidelines he provides in the = rest of=20 the CANSLIM
letters, this was the one that was used to zoom in on = the=20 "best" stocks for
many, many years (e.g. EPS/RS =3D 85/85 or = better). Later,=20 the IBD added SMR
(sales-profit margins-ROE) as an additional = fundamental=20 ranking, and now
they've come up with the composite score which = combines=20 the stock's
fundamentals, technicals, group fundamentals and group=20 technicals into one
big package.

While the EPS is given as a = tool,=20 WON has never advocated eliminating a
stock from consideration if = the=20 preponderance of evidence suggests that it
could be a winner. = Patrick's=20 BRCM is a great example and I have a binder
full of others. In an=20 Investor's Corner article dated 5/24/2 entitled "Not
Every Stock Is = Perfect", it states:

      "IBD has = dozens of=20 rules on how to buy a stock. They cover a company's
growth rates, = the level=20 of activity among big investors and the stock's
trading patterns. = The rules=20 are strict because you want to buy the
highest-quality goods. In = the=20 market, quality wins.
       Yet = don't get=20 too carried away with the rules. Exceptions do occur.
In certain = markets,=20 some factors take on greater importance than others. At
other = times, other=20 factors call the shots. Rarely does a good stock own
every single = trait=20 that all the very best winners of the past=20 had.
       So as you build your = watchlist,=20 avoid being too rigid or mechanical."

With a ranking mechanism = like EPS=20 you also have to be careful. Take an
extreme example, if *every = single=20 stock* had *all* the desirable CANSLIM
earnings growth rates, = you're still=20 going to have to rank them from best to
worst, assigning 99 to some = and 37=20 to others. Does it mean that the one with
37 didn't have the = desirable=20 growth rates? Not in this case. It simply means
that it *ranked* = behind=20 others in some small way. Also, the EPS is a little
slow to = recognize=20 turnaround situations. If the company had some down years
and is = recently=20 pulling out, I see that as a good thing. Even WON in HTMMIS
gives=20 guidelines for turnarounds. Unfortunately, the EPS measurement = doesn't
kick=20 in as quickly as the actual earnings turnaround, so the EPS score = will
stay=20 low much longer than technical action in the stock would = indicate.

In a=20 broader sense, when it comes to the fundmentals as a whole, again=20 WON
suggests looking at the preponderance of evidence to ascertain = whether=20 a
stock should be considered further. In a recent "Ask Bill" , the=20 question
was "Many stocks breaking out lack some of the = fundamentals you=20 look for,
such as ROE of 17%...Do you wait for "perfection" or do = you=20 weight the pros
and cons and go for it?" The answer was "Generally, = we will=20 weigh the pluses
and minuses if the stock is not a perfect fit and = "go for=20 it," as you say."

Finally, when selecting candidates for = purchase, I've=20 always believed that
technical action should speak first for the = stock. The=20 strength in the
price/volume pattern over time is what should draw=20 attention first, because
even if fundamentals are great, without = solid=20 technicals and basing action
providing a low-risk entry, it's not = really=20 worth bothering with the stock.
I've always thought that the way = the IBD=20 presents the "20 rules" is a bit
misleading, because it makes it = seem as=20 though each of the guidelines should
be followed at all times and = in=20 tandem, when in fact, this has never been
WON's approach. He is = much more=20 interested in whether the stock is telling a
good story overall, = not=20 whether it fits neatly into an iron cage of a box.
In another "Ask = Bill",=20 the question was "Is it more efficient to do
fundamental analysis = of=20 companies and then look for favorable chart
patterns, or to find = chart=20 patterns and then check the fundamentals?" The
answer was "It is = critical=20 to analyze both the fundamentals and charts of
any stock you = consider=20 buying. But as a screening method to find ideas, you
may find it = easier to=20 start by first looking at the charts. The stock's base
and = technical=20 characteristics are what help you decide when to buy. Also,
charts = often=20 signal major trouble or a new rally in a stock before = the
fundamentals do.=20 Once you've identified stocks with good bases or breakouts,
analyze = the=20 company's earnings, sales, margins, etc."

So, all in all, I'd = look at=20 the quality of ELON's current base, then look at
the preponderance = of=20 evidence fundamentally, then look at the industry to
see how the = group is=20 behaving overall, and then check to be sure ELON is the
best the = group=20 and/or the market has to offer.

Katherine

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Patrick Wahl
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:05 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON


On 15 May = 2003 at=20 12:51, Joe McCall wrote:

>  How important really is the = EPS and=20 other
> fundamental ratings?

I think EPS is fairly = important,=20 unless you have a reason to disregard it,
which can happen.  = As an=20 example of when to ignore the EPS, back in the
good old days, = Broadcom,=20 before it started its big move up, had an EPS
rank of about 70, = although=20 earnings were growing at 100% or more per
quarter.  Because = the EPS is=20 calculated by taking into account a number
of quarters, it will lag = when a=20 company has a positive change of fortune,
so in those cases, I = think you=20 can probably not worry too much if the EPS
rank is=20 low.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Joe McCall
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:51 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] Interesting IBD Rating for ELON


After looking at = ELON in=20 IBD Stock Checkup (which showed up as #5 on today's
CwHCharts Chart = Selector), I was a little surprised that it received an IBD
Overall = Rating=20 of 96, but its EPS rating was only 37.  The Group = Fundamental
Ratings=20 also received a lowly 19.  I don't even think the chart looks=20 that
great.  The RS line is rising, but the handle is sloping = up with=20 decreasing
volume.

What does anyone think about this?  = How=20 important really is the EPS and
other fundamental=20 ratings?

Thanks,

Joe McCall




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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31B95.A9D0B410-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: FFIV Date: 16 May 2003 11:45:19 EDT Katherine: Thanks for your analysis, particularly, "...2B's are typically bottoming formations and A-Bases are typically found coming out of Bear markets. Voila....now 2 for the price of one!" This chart, however, does provide a good learning tool because there are so many vagaries included in it. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 16 May 2003 12:13:28 EDT Roger: roger@tawacentral.net writes: << Your point about waiting for a BO on the weekly is interesting though. Given that this week is still in the making, how do you handle that? >> In a Bear Mkt. I wait for weekly BOs (ie, I don't buy during the week); In the beginning of a Bull (which I believe we are in now-but I also believe we're OB), I again would wait for the week. However, if the stock appears very strong to me, I'd overlook the OB status of the Mkt., and buy the stock after seeing what the day's close is); In the middle of a Bull, I'd probably buy interday (when there is a BO from a WON approved stock, ie. what WON calls "a leader"). roger@tawacentral.net writes: >>You seem to agree that the left hand side of the cup is at 27.75 at the end of January. So that puts the pivot at 26.20, the intra-day high on May 5th. yes/no?<< No. I'm not certain how you get the 26.20 PP on the Weekly Chart just because the left side PP is 27.75. I'm not sure where the right side PP is because there is no handle yet. (Caveat: I've just looked at the Daily, and on 5/5 there was a right side lip 26.20. However, I wouldn't have bought at that time because 1) At the beginning of a Bull I still rely on weekly BOs-and not daily 2) the RSL is weak on the 26.20 BO, I believe. 3) Even though volume is really great on the BO, there is such a hi-short interest that I believe the high volume is due to funds taking their profits. I don't believe volume indicates there is a huge buyer demand out there (I believe, rather, that the rise is due to profit taking, as shown by what I believe is a weak RSL) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: [CANSLIM] Amateur Investors Article of the Month - Earnings Growth Date: 16 May 2003 14:39:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0707_01C31BB8.F109A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This months Article talks about how Earnings Growth can affect the = performance of a Stock's price. As you will find out there is a strong = relationship between Earnings Growth and Price Performance.=20 The link to the article is at = http://www.amateur-investors.com/Earnings_Growth_Article.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0707_01C31BB8.F109A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This months Article talks about how Earnings Growth can affect the=20 performance of a Stock's price.  As you will find out there is a = strong=20 relationship between Earnings Growth and Price Performance.

The = link to=20 the article is at htt= p://www.amateur-investors.com/Earnings_Growth_Article.htm

------=_NextPart_000_0707_01C31BB8.F109A760-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nancy polcaro" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Amateur Investors Article of the Month - Earnings Growth Date: 16 May 2003 18:57:43 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C31BDD.087036C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable great article gene-thanks for the link Nancy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Amateur Investors Article of the Month - Earnings = Growth This months Article talks about how Earnings Growth can affect the = performance of a Stock's price. As you will find out there is a strong = relationship between Earnings Growth and Price Performance.=20 The link to the article is at = http://www.amateur-investors.com/Earnings_Growth_Article.htm ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C31BDD.087036C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
great article gene-thanks for the link  Nancy
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 = 12:39 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Amateur = Investors=20 Article of the Month - Earnings Growth

This months Article talks about how Earnings Growth can affect = the=20 performance of a Stock's price.  As you will find out there is a = strong=20 relationship between Earnings Growth and Price Performance. =

The link=20 to the article is at htt= p://www.amateur-investors.com/Earnings_Growth_Article.htm

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C31BDD.087036C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david rossing Subject: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 17 May 2003 18:14:12 -0700 (PDT) I was just wondering about opinions on two stocks. USNA broke out of a base back in October and has been going up for a while. It still looks like good earnings and revenue growth. In the past week or so, the price has been dropping on increasing volume. On Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price action a good sell signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? The second is STCR. It just broke out of what looks like a CWH to me. It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS line is not quite at new highs in the breakout over the past two days and the industry doesn't look great. Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 17 May 2003 21:12:23 -0400 Thanks for the info Jans, I will keep this in mind as I looks at other candidates. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:13 PM Roger: roger@tawacentral.net writes: << Your point about waiting for a BO on the weekly is interesting though. Given that this week is still in the making, how do you handle that? >> In a Bear Mkt. I wait for weekly BOs (ie, I don't buy during the week); In the beginning of a Bull (which I believe we are in now-but I also believe we're OB), I again would wait for the week. However, if the stock appears very strong to me, I'd overlook the OB status of the Mkt., and buy the stock after seeing what the day's close is); In the middle of a Bull, I'd probably buy interday (when there is a BO from a WON approved stock, ie. what WON calls "a leader"). roger@tawacentral.net writes: >>You seem to agree that the left hand side of the cup is at 27.75 at the end of January. So that puts the pivot at 26.20, the intra-day high on May 5th. yes/no?<< No. I'm not certain how you get the 26.20 PP on the Weekly Chart just because the left side PP is 27.75. I'm not sure where the right side PP is because there is no handle yet. (Caveat: I've just looked at the Daily, and on 5/5 there was a right side lip 26.20. However, I wouldn't have bought at that time because 1) At the beginning of a Bull I still rely on weekly BOs-and not daily 2) the RSL is weak on the 26.20 BO, I believe. 3) Even though volume is really great on the BO, there is such a hi-short interest that I believe the high volume is due to funds taking their profits. I don't believe volume indicates there is a huge buyer demand out there (I believe, rather, that the rise is due to profit taking, as shown by what I believe is a weak RSL) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Positions Date: 17 May 2003 21:26:06 EDT --part1_1d7.99020ed.2bf83b2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, its been a while since I posted. Just thought I would list my current holdings. I do not promote or recommend anyone buy any of these stocks. Just find it interesting to see other similar investors holdings. I say similar because we all are on the canslim board. Not all my stocks are canslim but many have high ratings. CVU 99/97 APPX 99/93 CVH 99/88 SFCC 98/48 QSII 97/93 ADG 97/32 KDE 89/17 STST 90/76 COO 86/82 ASGR 81/62 INVN 81/27 CURE 76/12 SCHK RTNH Recent sales SSYS, ACET, USNA, JCOM. Sold at a profit but too soon in a couple of cases, JCOM and SSYS. Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_1d7.99020ed.2bf83b2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, its been a while since I posted. Just thoug= ht I would list my current holdings. I do not promote or recommend anyone bu= y any of these stocks. Just find it interesting to see other similar investo= rs holdings. I say similar because we all are on the canslim board. Not all=20= my stocks are canslim but many have high ratings.

CVU 99/97
APPX 99/93
CVH 99/88
SFCC 98/48
QSII 97/93
ADG 97/32
KDE 89/17
STST 90/76
COO 86/82
ASGR 81/62
INVN 81/27
CURE 76/12
SCHK RTNH
Recent sales SSYS, ACET, USNA, JCOM. Sold at a profit but too soon in a coup= le of cases, JCOM and SSYS.

Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_1d7.99020ed.2bf83b2e_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rolf Hertenstein" Subject: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 18 May 2003 18:25:40 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C31D6A.E2AC7E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* STOPs on a = broken-out stock that is behaving well (gaining steadily over a few = months with a few 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about = techniques people might use in this market. A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% below the currwnt = price. Another technique I have read about sets STOPs in relation to = the 50 or 200 DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock relatively wide = swings ultimately leads to big gains, as long as the DMA is still = rising. Any thoughts greatly appreciated. Rolf ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C31D6A.E2AC7E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just curious how folks manage = their mental or=20 hard* STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well (gaining=20 steadily over a few months with a few 10-15% corrections).  = I'm=20 especially curious about techniques people might use in this=20 market.
 
A 'standard' technique uses a trailing = STOP at xx%=20 below the currwnt price.  Another technique I have read about = sets=20 STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 DMA, with the hope that allowing = the=20 stock relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big = gains, as=20 long as the DMA is still rising.
 
Any thoughts greatly = appreciated.
 
 Rolf
------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C31D6A.E2AC7E00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 11:39:14 -0500 Anyone else feeling today's pain? Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CVH Date: 19 May 2003 09:19:05 -0500 Was wondering what the group thought of CVH? It gets an A+ from IBD, and in looking at the chart, it appears to have BO on 5/16 at 41.12 pivot point. The volume was not at 150% , but looks to be close. Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Positions Date: 19 May 2003 12:53:57 EDT Chris: I haven't looked at all your stocks yet; but I did get up to ADG, and I'm curious: Why did you buy this stock, and why are you staying with it? For those who don't use DG-Online, here is a synopsis of what I see- Earnings are declining; the stock is below a declining 200 day MA; the Relative Strength Line is in Weak Divergence at the troughs of late Nov./02 and late April/03; and the Group Strength Rating is at 10. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Certainly feeling the pain - stopped out of one today and sold another just-in-time. So does the market going down make the dollar weaker? (Rhetorical question) --- "Edward W. Gjertsen II" wrote: > Anyone else feeling today's pain? > > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, > use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy > all > copies of the original message. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 12:22:55 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C31E01.603914A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, I don't use the FTD concept so I don't know how the entry/exit = signals work. If the FTD (buy) was early enough, and the indicator has = made the right call, this 2-3% drop is just an irritation - OR - signal = to take profits - OR - buy (if it's a 'buyable' pullback). Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Anyone else feeling today's pain? Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com =20 =20 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any = attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, = use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C31E01.603914A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, I don't use the FTD concept = so I don't=20 know how the entry/exit signals work. If the FTD (buy) was early enough, = and the=20 indicator has made the right call, this 2-3% drop is just an irritation = - OR=20 - signal to take profits - OR - buy (if it's a 'buyable' pullback).
Gene
 
 
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Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we = done for=20 now?

Anyone else feeling today's pain?


Ed = Gjertsen=20 II
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------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C31E01.603914A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 12:48:21 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C31E04.EE7ABEF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0075_01C31E04.EE7ABEF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0075_01C31E04.EE7ABEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Up until last week we were 90% invested, 11 positions. We have cut back two positions today and a couple more are on the bubble for a haircut. The leaders (we are assuming we are in some) are coming under heavier selling pressure than the markets. There are several issues that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction in this countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. These are the times where your discipline is key. You should have sell stops at the very least written down if not in the market on all your positions. Don't panic, just play out your game plan. Remember - bruised is better than beaten. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ------=_NextPart_001_0075_01C31E04.EE7ABEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Up until last week we were 90% = invested, 11 positions.  We have cut back two positions today and a couple more = are on the bubble for a haircut.  The leaders (we are assuming we are in = some) are coming under heavier selling pressure than the markets.  There = are several issues that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction = in this countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. 

 

These are the times where your = discipline is key.  You should have sell stops at the very least written down = if not in the market on all your positions.  Don’t panic, just play = out your game plan.  Remember – bruised is better than = beaten.

 

 

Ed Gjertsen II

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 14:01:59 EDT Ed: What are the issues that lead you to believe this retracement today might be more than a 3%-5% correction? And do you believe it is just a one or two day correction? jans In a message dated 5/19/2003 1:50:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ed@macktracks.com writes: << There are several issues that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction in this countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 13:16:50 -0500 Hi Jans - there is a large risk in the market that if the international community and domestic money managers wake up one day and focus in on the U.S. debt and other issues that will affect us over the next 10-15 years, the market is in deep trouble. Never assume that all factors are priced into the markets. October '97 investors decided that the Asian contagion was important and the Russia's woes are not isolated - market drops over 500 and closes for the day. That is the risk - Immediate enlightenment. Deflation, falling dollar, rising deficits - we all need a wall of worry to climb every now and then and the wall is getting pretty tall. But this will not keep us from being invested - its just one other worry to keep us up at night. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:02 PM Ed: What are the issues that lead you to believe this retracement today might be more than a 3%-5% correction? And do you believe it is just a one or two day correction? jans In a message dated 5/19/2003 1:50:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ed@macktracks.com writes: << There are several issues that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction in this countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 13:18:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C31E09.205B9E40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_012F_01C31E09.205B9E40" ------=_NextPart_001_012F_01C31E09.205B9E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, if you don't mind, what are the issues for your more than 3-5% = correction? Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Up until last week we were 90% invested, 11 positions. We have cut = back two positions today and a couple more are on the bubble for a = haircut. The leaders (we are assuming we are in some) are coming under = heavier selling pressure than the markets. There are several issues = that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction in this = countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. =20 These are the times where your discipline is key. You should have = sell stops at the very least written down if not in the market on all = your positions. Don't panic, just play out your game plan. Remember - = bruised is better than beaten. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any = attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may = contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized = review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Ed, if you=20 don't mind, what are the issues for your more than 3-5% = correction?
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward = W. Gjertsen=20 II
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 = 12:48 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we = done for=20 now?

Up until last week we were 90% = invested,=20 11 positions.  We have cut back two positions today and a couple = more are=20 on the bubble for a haircut.  The leaders (we are assuming we are = in=20 some) are coming under heavier selling pressure than the = markets.  There=20 are several issues that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% = correction in=20 this countertrend rally, but we will wait and see.  =

 

These are the times where your = discipline=20 is key.  You should have sell stops at the very least written = down if not=20 in the market on all your positions.  Don=92t panic, just play = out your=20 game plan.  Remember =96 bruised is better than = beaten.

 

 

Ed Gjertsen = II

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Gene,=20 et al,
 
I=20 added to my shorts of the financials and investment banks today. Also, = bought=20 more of the unhedged golds.
 
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Gene Ricci
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 = 1:18=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] M=20 - are we done for now?

Ed, if you=20 don't mind, what are the issues for your more than 3-5%=20 correction?
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward W.=20 Gjertsen II
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 = 12:48=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we = done for=20 now?

Up until last week we were = 90%=20 invested, 11 positions.  We have cut back two positions today = and a=20 couple more are on the bubble for a haircut.  The leaders (we = are=20 assuming we are in some) are coming under heavier selling pressure = than the=20 markets.  There are several issues that concern us that this is = more=20 then a 3-5% correction in this countertrend rally, but we will wait = and=20 see. 

 

These are the times where = your=20 discipline is key.  You should have sell stops at the very = least=20 written down if not in the market on all your positions.  = Don’t panic,=20 just play out your game plan.  Remember – bruised is = better than=20 beaten.

 

 

Ed Gjertsen = II

ed@macktracks.com

 

 

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 14:50:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C31E16.011F7B20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006D_01C31E16.011F7B20" ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C31E16.011F7B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHeck Fred, that's old news (gold), I bought them about 3 weeks or = so ago when you added to your positions then. Just added a couple of = shorts because the close is looking weaker. Not sure what all the hullabaloo about the falling dollar is about = today, you've been showing that graph on your public site for quite some = time. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fred Richards=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Gene, et al, I added to my shorts of the financials and investment banks today. = Also, bought more of the unhedged golds. Fred -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:18 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Ed, if you don't mind, what are the issues for your more than 3-5% = correction? Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Up until last week we were 90% invested, 11 positions. We have = cut back two positions today and a couple more are on the bubble for a = haircut. The leaders (we are assuming we are in some) are coming under = heavier selling pressure than the markets. There are several issues = that concern us that this is more then a 3-5% correction in this = countertrend rally, but we will wait and see. =20 These are the times where your discipline is key. You should have = sell stops at the very least written down if not in the market on all = your positions. Don't panic, just play out your game plan. Remember - = bruised is better than beaten. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any = attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may = contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized = review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not = the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and = destroy all copies of the original message. ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C31E16.011F7B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Heck Fred, that's old news (gold), I = bought them=20 about 3 weeks or so ago when you added to your positions then. Just = added a=20 couple of shorts because the close is looking weaker.
 
Not sure what all the hullabaloo about = the=20 falling dollar is about today, you've been showing that graph on your = public=20 site for quite some time.
 
Gene
 
 
 
 
 ----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fred=20 Richards
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:43 = PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M - are = we done=20 for now?

Gene, et al,
 
I=20 added to my shorts of the financials and investment banks today. Also, = bought=20 more of the unhedged golds.
 
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene=20 Ricci
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:18 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now?

Ed, if you=20 don't mind, what are the issues for your more than 3-5%=20 correction?
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Edward W.=20 Gjertsen II
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 = 12:48=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M - are = we done=20 for now?

Up until last week we were = 90%=20 invested, 11 positions.  We have cut back two positions today = and a=20 couple more are on the bubble for a haircut.  The leaders (we = are=20 assuming we are in some) are coming under heavier selling pressure = than=20 the markets.  There are several issues that concern us that = this is=20 more then a 3-5% correction in this countertrend rally, but we = will wait=20 and see. 

 

These are the times where = your=20 discipline is key.  You should have sell stops at the very = least=20 written down if not in the market on all your positions.  = Don=92t=20 panic, just play out your game plan.  Remember =96 bruised is = better=20 than beaten.

 

 

Ed Gjertsen = II

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rolfh@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - are we done for now? Date: 19 May 2003 16:46:27 -0600 (GMT) I'll attempt a ray of sunshine (it really *is* a gloomy Monday here in CO) and note the volume's down a bit from Friday. Rolf -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/19/03 10:39 AM > > Anyone else feeling today's pain? Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 19 May 2003 22:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Dave, USNA fundies looks good (it's on my watchlist). The charts looks good. If you have it already, I don't see any reason to sell yet. Looks like it's going sideway, swallowing the recent gains. As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it is a little too late. The left side of cup is at 1/30. Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at $11.95. The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up that day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure if that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be 5/14 at $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good since it did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, currently, it is extended from the base for a buy point. The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. The only thing I would worry about is the industry strength. That industry is definitely not one of the better ones. just my $.02 tomas 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 --- david rossing wrote: > I was just wondering about opinions on two stocks. > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > been going up for a > while. It still looks like good earnings and > revenue growth. In the > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > increasing volume. On > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > action a good sell > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what looks > like a CWH to me. > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS line is > not quite at new > highs in the breakout over the past two days and the > industry doesn't > look great. > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks. > > Dave > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH Date: 19 May 2003 22:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Mike, Strong fundies. Good score (15.54/18) on the CE. I check the insider selling, and looks like there has been lots of selling recently. Lots of options exercised and shares sold. That have me a little concern. In regards to the CwH formation, I would stay the BO is on 4/29. 5/16 looks like a BO, but I am not sure a BO from what formation? So, I don't think I would call it a BO. just my $.02 tomas --- michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: > Was wondering what the group thought of CVH? It > gets an A+ from IBD, and > in looking at the chart, it appears to have BO on > 5/16 at 41.12 pivot > point. The volume was not at 150% , but looks to be > close. > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Jaenike Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH Date: 20 May 2003 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) --0-152444006-1053440026=:49149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is not quite CANSLIM, but I took the breakout at just over 40 on a symmetrical triangle breakout after an NR7 (narrow range bar in the last 7 bars) and on a break of whole number ($40) resistance. A combination high handle/continuation long setup. Eric Tomas wrote: Mike, Strong fundies. Good score (15.54/18) on the CE. I check the insider selling, and looks like there has been lots of selling recently. Lots of options exercised and shares sold. That have me a little concern. In regards to the CwH formation, I would stay the BO is on 4/29. 5/16 looks like a BO, but I am not sure a BO from what formation? So, I don't think I would call it a BO. just my $.02 tomas --- michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: > Was wondering what the group thought of CVH? It > gets an A+ from IBD, and > in looking at the chart, it appears to have BO on > 5/16 at 41.12 pivot > point. The volume was not at 150% , but looks to be > close. > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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This is not quite CANSLIM, but I took the breakout at just over 40 on a symmetrical triangle breakout after an NR7 (narrow range bar in the last 7 bars) and on a break of whole number ($40) resistance. A combination high handle/continuation long setup.
Eric

Tomas <tomas986@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mike,

Strong fundies. Good score (15.54/18) on the CE.
I check the insider selling, and looks like there has
been lots of selling recently. Lots of options
exercised and shares sold. That have me a little
concern.

In regards to the CwH formation, I would stay the BO
is on 4/29. 5/16 looks like a BO, but I am not sure a
BO from what formation? So, I don't think I would
call it a BO.


just my $.02
tomas


--- michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote:
> Was wondering what the group thought of CVH? It
> gets an A+ from IBD, and
> in looking at the chart, it appears to have BO on
> 5/16 at 41.12 pivot
> point. The volume was not at 150% , but looks to be
> close.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Niemotka , PE
> Sr. Principal Engineer
> Baxter Healthcare Corporation
> Route 120 & Wilson Road
> Round Lake, IL 60073
> Tel (847) 270-4075
> Fax (847) 270-4525
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
>
>
>
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Does anyone know any places (internet sites) about expectation regarding the dollar/euro currency levels in the future.

 

Thanks

 

 

Sébastien

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Thanks

 

 

S=E9bastien

= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31EF1.AEA9A190-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Bob Hodes" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 20 May 2003 18:39:46 -0500 Tomas: Disclosure: I am long APPX and having a good time recently. This stock has good fundamentals but it's been quite volatile. You will notice that there is a huge short position in APPX. About a month ago, The Street Dot Com had a series of very negative articles that pointed out ethical issues about business practices, concerns about the integrity of the CEO and conflicts of interest, and raised concerns about their phase III clinical trials of ABI-007. This was all old news but three negative articles all came out in a very short time frame. If you go to the APPX message board on Yahoo you can read all about these controversies. I was mostly concerned about their questions about the quality of the ABI-007 phase III studies (issues were raised about the sample size being too small for the study to have enough power to clearly demonstrate the efficacy of ABI-007, concerns that patients were recruited from research centers in eastern Europe/Russia, etc. After these stories came out, the stock declined in price but it has since more than recovered and broken out to a new 52 week high. That's pretty interesting given the enormous short interest in APPX. Squeeze? So do you DD on this stock. Good luck. Bob Hodes ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:09 PM > APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from > Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not too > shabby. > > The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on 1/30 > at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is today > to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 to > buy. The handle was trending down. There was even a > shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but still > ended up on the higher price range of the day). The > CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is that > the handle is only about 6 days. > > Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by the > CEO. > > What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I should > not buy it tomorrow? > > I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock is on > the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry > about that fact? > > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 20 May 2003 16:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Bob, Thanks for the information. I did not know that about APPX. Guess I did not do enough research. I am not sure the lack of knowledge is a good or bad thing. I am thinking all these news is built into the price/volume action already. What is "DD"? I got in at $26.86. With the current market, I am carefully watching this stock. My finger is on the sell tigger. tomas --- Bob Hodes wrote: > Tomas: Disclosure: I am long APPX and having a > good time recently. > This stock has good fundamentals but it's been quite > volatile. You will > notice that there is a huge short position in APPX. > About a month ago, The > Street Dot Com had a series of very negative > articles that pointed out > ethical issues about business practices, concerns > about the integrity of the > CEO and conflicts of interest, and raised concerns > about their phase III > clinical trials of ABI-007. This was all old news > but three negative > articles all came out in a very short time frame. > If you go to the APPX > message board on Yahoo you can read all about these > controversies. I was > mostly concerned about their questions about the > quality of the ABI-007 > phase III studies (issues were raised about the > sample size being too small > for the study to have enough power to clearly > demonstrate the efficacy of > ABI-007, concerns that patients were recruited from > research centers in > eastern Europe/Russia, etc. > > After these stories came out, the stock declined in > price but it has since > more than recovered and broken out to a new 52 week > high. That's pretty > interesting given the enormous short interest in > APPX. Squeeze? > > So do you DD on this stock. Good luck. > > Bob Hodes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy > APPX? > > > > APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from > > Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not > too > > shabby. > > > > The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on > 1/30 > > at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is > today > > to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 > to > > buy. The handle was trending down. There was > even a > > shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but > still > > ended up on the higher price range of the day). > The > > CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is > that > > the handle is only about 6 days. > > > > Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by > the > > CEO. > > > > What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I > should > > not buy it tomorrow? > > > > I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock > is on > > the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry > > about that fact? > > > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Positions Date: 20 May 2003 17:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Yes, it would be interesting to see what stocks are the members holding. Just APPX for me. tomas --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, its been a while since I posted. Just > thought I would list my > current holdings. I do not promote or recommend > anyone buy any of these > stocks. Just find it interesting to see other > similar investors holdings. I > say similar because we all are on the canslim board. > Not all my stocks are > canslim but many have high ratings. > > CVU 99/97 > APPX 99/93 > CVH 99/88 > SFCC 98/48 > QSII 97/93 > ADG 97/32 > KDE 89/17 > STST 90/76 > COO 86/82 > ASGR 81/62 > INVN 81/27 > CURE 76/12 > SCHK RTNH > Recent sales SSYS, ACET, USNA, JCOM. Sold at a > profit but too soon in a > couple of cases, JCOM and SSYS. > > Enjoy all, Chris. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Musicant Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] A good posting from Tom Worlye (from 5 years ago) Date: 20 May 2003 19:02:22 -0700 Dave and all, It could just be my email client but the post I'm replying to (a repost of one of Tom Worley's posts from 5 years ago) came to me oddly formatted. I straightened it out so it's more readable, at least on my system, and am presenting the results. I resubscribed to the list on 4/23/03, and Tom only made two posts after that.=20 Dan Musicant ______________________________________________________ On Sat, 10 May 2003 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT), Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy APPX? Date: 20 May 2003 21:18:33 -0700 Due diligence: ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:58 PM > Bob, > > Thanks for the information. I did not know that about > APPX. Guess I did not do enough research. I am not > sure the lack of knowledge is a good or bad thing. I > am thinking all these news is built into the > price/volume action already. > > What is "DD"? I got in at $26.86. With the current > market, I am carefully watching this stock. My finger > is on the sell tigger. > > > tomas > > > --- Bob Hodes wrote: > > Tomas: Disclosure: I am long APPX and having a > > good time recently. > > This stock has good fundamentals but it's been quite > > volatile. You will > > notice that there is a huge short position in APPX. > > About a month ago, The > > Street Dot Com had a series of very negative > > articles that pointed out > > ethical issues about business practices, concerns > > about the integrity of the > > CEO and conflicts of interest, and raised concerns > > about their phase III > > clinical trials of ABI-007. This was all old news > > but three negative > > articles all came out in a very short time frame. > > If you go to the APPX > > message board on Yahoo you can read all about these > > controversies. I was > > mostly concerned about their questions about the > > quality of the ABI-007 > > phase III studies (issues were raised about the > > sample size being too small > > for the study to have enough power to clearly > > demonstrate the efficacy of > > ABI-007, concerns that patients were recruited from > > research centers in > > eastern Europe/Russia, etc. > > > > After these stories came out, the stock declined in > > price but it has since > > more than recovered and broken out to a new 52 week > > high. That's pretty > > interesting given the enormous short interest in > > APPX. Squeeze? > > > > So do you DD on this stock. Good luck. > > > > Bob Hodes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomas" > > To: "canslim canslim" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:09 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Any reason why I should not buy > > APPX? > > > > > > > APPX has very good fundies. It has 15.13/18 from > > > Katherine's CE (8.80/11 CEF and 6.33/7 CET), not > > too > > > shabby. > > > > > > The chart looks good too. Looks like left cup on > > 1/30 > > > at $27.75. Pivot point at 5/5 at $26.2. BO is > > today > > > to $28.54 with heavy volume. Still within the %5 > > to > > > buy. The handle was trending down. There was > > even a > > > shakeout day on 5/8 (down on heavier volume but > > still > > > ended up on the higher price range of the day). > > The > > > CwH looks good. The only thing bad about this is > > that > > > the handle is only about 6 days. > > > > > > Management owns about 71% of the stock, mainly by > > the > > > CEO. > > > > > > What do you guys/gals think? Any reason why I > > should > > > not buy it tomorrow? > > > > > > I read somewhere about the IBD curse, this stock > > is on > > > the "Stock in the News" today. Should I be worry > > > about that fact? > > > > > > tomas > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] Comments on GALN Date: 20 May 2003 20:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Anyone want to comment on GALN? Fundies looks very good. 15.64/18 on the CE scale. Best of its class. Looks like some institutions have been selling. Chart looks like it BO 5/14 with big jump. Is it too extended? fundies and chart comments appreciated. tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bojanowski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Comments on GALN Date: 21 May 2003 10:59:27 -0400 Just commenting on the chart...the stock is down 4% today. I'd wait to see if it can build some support around $35.50 or so...if it falls below that who knows how much further it will drop. >From: Tomas > >Anyone want to comment on GALN? > >Fundies looks very good. 15.64/18 on the CE scale. >Best of its class. Looks like some institutions have >been selling. > >Chart looks like it BO 5/14 with big jump. > >Is it too extended? fundies and chart comments >appreciated. > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffwdc Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 14:04:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C31FA1.E7A51FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop = loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jeffwdc=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20 Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20 On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. >=20 > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. >=20 > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. >=20 > Rolf >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Please explain "trailing stop".  = How is that=20 different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? =20 Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jeffwdc
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of = months ago.=20
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his actual = message=20 -however I did print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom = wrote:
...the=20 normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss unchanged (from = the 8%=20 stop placed after
purchase) until I am up at least 15%.  At = that=20 point,
I raise my limit to my original entry point (or
aveerage = price if=20 multiple purchases).  After that, I
try to us a trailing stop = 15%=20 below the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the=20 intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly
I = want to=20 take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the stop loss = should=20 NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message from Tom written on=20 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be selected=20 after
studying the chart, and considering your entry point.
When = I use=20 hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, = figuring if=20 it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot=20 further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out, = and
especially=20 when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to use looser = stops."

Jeff=20 Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf=20 Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> = wrote:
>=20 Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*
> STOPs on a = broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining steadily over = a few=20 months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm especially = curious=20 about
> techniques people might use in this market.
> =
> A=20 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the = currwnt=20 price.  Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in = relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the = stock
> relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> = gains, as=20 long as the DMA is still rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly = appreciated.
>
>  Rolf
>=20


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The New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C31FA1.E7A51FA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 13:10:48 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31F9A.6539B050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trailingstop.asp Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chuck Dreier=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop = loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jeffwdc=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20 Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20 On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. >=20 > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. >=20 > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. >=20 > Rolf >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31F9A.6539B050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.= investopedia.com/terms/t/trailingstop.asp
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chuck=20 Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 1:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Please explain "trailing stop".  = How is that=20 different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? =20 Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jeffwdc=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of = months=20 ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his = actual=20 message -however I did print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom=20 wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss = unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am up = at least=20 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my original entry = point=20 (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After that, = I
try to=20 us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing = price,=20 sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, = fundies, how=20 badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once = raised,
the=20 stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message = from Tom=20 written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be = selected=20 after
studying the chart, and considering your entry = point.
When I use=20 hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, = figuring=20 if it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot=20 further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out,=20 and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to = use looser=20 stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail=20 address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or = hard*
>=20 STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining = steadily=20 over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm=20 especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this = market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP = at=20 xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I = have
>=20 read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with = the=20 hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings = ultimately leads=20 to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
> =
>=20 Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
>  = Rolf
>=20


__________________________________
Do you = Yahoo!?
The New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com

-
= -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your = email.
------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31F9A.6539B050-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Taggart" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 12:13:05 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C31F92.557541A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A trailing stop is like a ratchet. Foe instance if you set a $1.00 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as well. Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight. Hope this helps, David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C31F92.557541A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A=20 trailing stop is like a ratchet.  Foe instance if you set a $1.00 = trailing=20 stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as = well. =20 Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that = hold it=20 overnight.
 
Hope=20 this helps,
David=20 Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck=20 Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

Please explain "trailing stop".  = How is that=20 different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? =20 Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jeffwdc=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of = months=20 ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his = actual=20 message -however I did print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom=20 wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss = unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am up = at least=20 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my original entry = point=20 (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After that, = I
try to=20 us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing = price,=20 sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, = fundies, how=20 badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once = raised,
the=20 stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message = from Tom=20 written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be = selected=20 after
studying the chart, and considering your entry = point.
When I use=20 hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, = figuring=20 if it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot=20 further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out,=20 and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to = use looser=20 stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail=20 address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or = hard*
>=20 STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining = steadily=20 over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm=20 especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this = market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP = at=20 xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I = have
>=20 read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with = the=20 hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings = ultimately leads=20 to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
> =
>=20 Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
>  = Rolf
>=20


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Chuck,

 

 

A trailing stop works like this:

 

If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought at = $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to $10.45 (5% = below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new high reached. = In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will be executed = because it only moves up when a new high is reached from the point that you bought = it for.

 

 

S=E9bastien

 

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: woensdag 21 mei = 2003 20:= 05
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

 

Please explain = "trailing stop".  How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with?  Thanks....

Chuck

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: jeffwdc

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs

 

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am up at least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my original entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After that, I
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be selected after
studying the chart, and considering your entry point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out, and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to use looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
>  Rolf
>


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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31FD5.860167C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Katona" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 11:25:43 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C31F8B.B7A6E830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, You mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight." Do you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would move to it. Thanks in advance, Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Taggart Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs A trailing stop is like a ratchet. Foe instance if you set a $1.00 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as well. Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight. Hope this helps, David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C31F8B.B7A6E830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David,
You=20 mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of = any=20 that hold it overnight."
 
Do you=20 know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for = exactly this=20 and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many platforms. I = use=20 Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or Brown = and Co. or=20 if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would move to=20 it.
Thanks=20 in advance,
Tim
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David=20 Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

A=20 trailing stop is like a ratchet.  Foe instance if you set a $1.00 = trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up = $.01 as=20 well.  Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know = of any=20 that hold it overnight.
 
Hope=20 this helps,
David Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck=20 Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

Please explain "trailing = stop".  How is=20 that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with?  = Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message ----- =
Subject: [CANSLIM] Any commentson MME Date: 21 May 2003 20:24:15 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C31FD6.F8136970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any comments on this stock (MME)?=20 It seems to be following a nice pattern which good CANSLIM support. =20 =20 S=E9bastien =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C31FD6.F8136970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Any comments on this stock (MME)?

It seems to be following a nice pattern which good CANSLIM = support.

 =

 =

S=E9bastien=

 

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C31FD6.F8136970-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. GROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From:=20 jeffwdc=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2003 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of = months=20 ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't = find
his=20 actual message -however I did print a hard copy. 
On = 3/20/03 Tom=20 wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the = stop
loss=20 unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am = up at=20 least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my original = entry=20 point (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After = that,=20 I
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior = day
(sometimes the=20 closing price, sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the = chart,=20 stock, fundies, how badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  = Of=20 course, once raised,
the stop loss should NEVER be = lowered.

Also=20 found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:

"I think = any stop=20 loss price should be selected after
studying the chart, and = considering=20 your entry point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them = just=20 under
where I see support, figuring if it goes thru = short
term=20 support then it could go down a lot further.

When I really = don't=20 want to be stopped out, and
especially when I already have a = nice=20 profit, I tend
to use looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: = I am=20 now using a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or = hard*
>=20 STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining = steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15% = corrections). =20 I'm especially curious about
> techniques people might use = in this=20 market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing = STOP at=20 xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I=20 have
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or = 200
>=20 DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide = swings=20 ultimately leads to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still = rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
> =
>  Rolf
>=20


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Thanks everyone!  I don't use a = deep discount=20 broker (I use Schwab)  and they don't have trailing stops as = an=20 option.  'Wish they did.....
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 S=E9bastien = Derks=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 2:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Chuck,

 

 

A=20 trailing stop works like this:

 

If=20 you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought = at=20 $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to = $10.45=20 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new = high=20 reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will be = executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached from the = point=20 that you bought it for.

 

 

S=E9bastien

 

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Chuck=20 Dreier
Sent: = woensdag 21 mei=20 2003 20:05
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

 

Please explain "trailing = stop".  How is that different than the stop loss that I'm = familiar=20 with?  Thanks....

Chuck

 

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: jeffwdc=20

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] STOPs

 

Rolf,

I asked a = similar question=20 a couple of months ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret = I can't=20 find
his actual message -however I did print a hard copy.  =
On=20 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the=20 stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) = until I=20 am up at least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my = original=20 entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  = After that,=20 I
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes = the=20 closing price, sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, = stock,=20 fundies, how badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, = once=20 raised,
the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found = this=20 message from Tom written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss = price=20 should be selected after
studying the chart, and considering your = entry=20 point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just = under
where I=20 see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support then it = could go=20 down a lot further.

When I really don't want to be stopped = out,=20 and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to = use looser=20 stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail=20 address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or = hard*
>=20 STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining = steadily=20 over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm=20 especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this = market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP = at=20 xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I = have
>=20 read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with = the=20 hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings = ultimately leads=20 to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
> =
>=20 Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
>  = Rolf
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C31FA8.1DA5AE70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 14:06:42 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FA2.34C93370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tim, You're in luck...the newest version of Schwab's StreetSmartPro offers trailing stops! Click on the Help menu and search on "trailing stops" to find out how to set them up. Here's a screenshot for setting them: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TrailingStops.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Katona Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs David, You mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight." Do you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would move to it. Thanks in advance, Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Taggart Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs A trailing stop is like a ratchet. Foe instance if you set a $1.00 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as well. Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight. Hope this helps, David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FA2.34C93370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tim,
 
You're in luck...the newest = version of=20 Schwab's StreetSmartPro offers trailing stops! Click on the Help menu = and search=20 on "trailing stops" to find out how to set them up. Here's a screenshot = for=20 setting them:
 
http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/TrailingStops.JPG
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim=20 Katona
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:26 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

David,
You=20 mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know = of any=20 that hold it overnight."
 
Do=20 you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for = exactly=20 this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many = platforms. I=20 use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or = Brown and=20 Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would = move to=20 it.
Thanks in advance,
Tim
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David=20 Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

A=20 trailing stop is like a ratchet.  Foe instance if you set a = $1.00=20 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move = up $.01=20 as well.  Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont = know of=20 any that hold it overnight.
 
Hope this helps,
David Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck = Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

Please explain "trailing = stop".  How is=20 that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar = with? =20 Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 jeffwdc=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2003 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple = of=20 months ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't=20 find
his actual message -however I did print a hard = copy. =20
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to = leave=20 the stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed = after
purchase)=20 until I am up at least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my = limit to=20 my original entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple=20 purchases).  After that, I
try to us a trailing stop 15% = below=20 the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the=20 intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how = badly
I=20 want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the = stop=20 loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message = from Tom=20 written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should = be=20 selected after
studying the chart, and considering your entry = point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just = under
where=20 I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support = then it=20 could go down a lot further.

When I really don't want to = be=20 stopped out, and
especially when I already have a nice = profit, I=20 tend
to use looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am = now using=20 a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or=20 hard*
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving = well
>=20 (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15%=20 corrections).  I'm especially curious about
> = techniques=20 people might use in this market.
>
> A 'standard' = technique=20 uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the currwnt = price. =20 Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in = relation to=20 the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the = stock
>=20 relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> gains, as = long as=20 the DMA is still rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly=20 appreciated.
>
>  Rolf
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FA2.34C93370-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_Derks?= Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 21:07:54 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31FDD.0EE5CAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interactive Brokers offer this option. Know someone who uses it and is very happy with it. =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:49 =20 Thanks everyone! I don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab) and they don't have trailing stops as an option. 'Wish they did..... Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM =20 Chuck, =20 =20 A trailing stop works like this: =20 If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new high reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will be executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached from the point that you bought it for. =20 =20 S=E9bastien =20 =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:05 =20 Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM =20 Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20 Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20 On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. >=20 > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. >=20 > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. >=20 > Rolf >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31FDD.0EE5CAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Interactive Brokers offer this option. Know someone who uses it and is very happy = with it.

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:49
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

 

Thanks everyone!  I = don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab)  and they don't have = trailing stops as an option.  'Wish they = did.....

Chuck

----- Original Message = -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs

 

Chuck,

 

 

A trailing stop works like = this:

 

If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up = to $11 then the stop will change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays = the same percentage under the new high reached. In case the stock drops then to = $10.45 the stop order will be executed because it only moves up when a new high = is reached from the point that you bought it = for.

 

 

S=E9bastien<= /p>

 

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: woensdag 21 mei = 2003 20:05
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

 

Please explain = "trailing stop".  How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with?  Thanks....

Chuck

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: jeffwdc

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs

 

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am up at least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my limit to my original entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After that, I
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly
I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be selected after
studying the chart, and considering your entry point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out, and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to use looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections).  I'm especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
>  Rolf
>


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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31FDD.0EE5CAC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 14:16:07 -0500 Only problem is that you need to have an account with assets over $50,000.....Only wish I were at that point, but gotta start somewhere! Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs ission.com 05/21/2003 02:06 PM Please respond to canslim Hi Tim, You're in luck...the newest version of Schwab's StreetSmartPro offers trailing stops! Click on the Help menu and search on "trailing stops" to find out how to set them up. Here's a screenshot for setting them: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/TrailingStops.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Katona Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs David, You mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight." Do you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would move to it. Thanks in advance, Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Taggart Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs A trailing stop is like a ratchet. Foe instance if you set a $1.00 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as well. Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight. Hope this helps, David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Taggart" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 13:24:07 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C31F9C.420A33F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We (as in the brokerage I work for ) offer them. We use Realtick software and it allows one to use trailing stops. If you have more questions please e-mail me off line. David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Katona Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs David, You mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight." Do you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would move to it. Thanks in advance, Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Taggart Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs A trailing stop is like a ratchet. Foe instance if you set a $1.00 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move up $.01 as well. Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know of any that hold it overnight. Hope this helps, David Taggart -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C31F9C.420A33F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We (as=20 in the brokerage I work for ) offer them.  We use Realtick software = and it=20 allows one to use trailing stops.  If you have more questions = please e-mail=20 me off line.
 
David=20 Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim=20 Katona
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:26 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

David,
You=20 mentioned: "Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont know = of any=20 that hold it overnight."
 
Do=20 you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking for = exactly=20 this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out many = platforms. I=20 use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to Cybertrader or = Brown and=20 Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop (ideally overnight) I would = move to=20 it.
Thanks in advance,
Tim
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David=20 Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:13 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

A=20 trailing stop is like a ratchet.  Foe instance if you set a = $1.00=20 trailing stop every time the stock goes up $.01 the stop will move = up $.01=20 as well.  Not too many platforms offer this feature and I dont = know of=20 any that hold it overnight.
 
Hope this helps,
David Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck = Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:05 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

Please explain "trailing = stop".  How is=20 that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar = with? =20 Thanks....
Chuck
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 jeffwdc=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2003 1:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Rolf,

I asked a similar question a couple = of=20 months ago.
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't=20 find
his actual message -however I did print a hard = copy. =20
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to = leave=20 the stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed = after
purchase)=20 until I am up at least 15%.  At that point,
I raise my = limit to=20 my original entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple=20 purchases).  After that, I
try to us a trailing stop 15% = below=20 the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the=20 intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how = badly
I=20 want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the = stop=20 loss should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message = from Tom=20 written on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should = be=20 selected after
studying the chart, and considering your entry = point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just = under
where=20 I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support = then it=20 could go down a lot further.

When I really don't want to = be=20 stopped out, and
especially when I already have a nice = profit, I=20 tend
to use looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am = now using=20 a new e-mail address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or=20 hard*
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving = well
>=20 (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15%=20 corrections).  I'm especially curious about
> = techniques=20 people might use in this market.
>
> A 'standard' = technique=20 uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the currwnt = price. =20 Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in = relation to=20 the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the = stock
>=20 relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> gains, as = long as=20 the DMA is still rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly=20 appreciated.
>
>  Rolf
>=20


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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 14:42:33 -0500 While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Martin Guldenburg" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 02:27 PM Please respond to canslim Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Herkert" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 13:01:31 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C31F99.19B2A020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chuck - Ameritrade offers GTC or Day trailing stops. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:49 AM Thanks everyone! I don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab) and they don't have trailing stops as an option. 'Wish they did..... Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM Chuck, =20 =20 A trailing stop works like this: =20 If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new high reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will be executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached from the point that you bought it for. =20 =20 S=E9bastien =20 =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:05 =20 Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM =20 Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20 Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20 On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. >=20 > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. >=20 > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. >=20 > Rolf >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Chuck=20 - Ameritrade offers GTC or Day trailing stops.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2003 11:49=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

Thanks everyone!  I don't use a = deep=20 discount broker (I use Schwab)  and they don't have trailing = stops=20 as an option.  'Wish they did.....
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 S=E9bastien = Derks=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 2:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = STOPs

Chuck,

 

 

A=20 trailing stop works like this:

 

If=20 you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock = bought at=20 $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to = $10.45=20 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new = high=20 reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will = be=20 executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached from = the point=20 that you bought it for.

 

 

S=E9bastien

 

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Chuck=20 Dreier
Sent: = woensdag 21=20 mei 2003 20:05
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 STOPs

 

Please explain = "trailing=20 stop".  How is that different than the stop loss that I'm = familiar=20 with?  Thanks....

Chuck

 

----- = Original=20 Message -----

From: jeffwdc=20

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] STOPs

 

Rolf,

I=20 asked a similar question a couple of months ago.
Tom Worely = posted a=20 reply, but I regret I can't find
his actual message -however I = did=20 print a hard copy. 
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the = normal=20 procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss unchanged (from the = 8% stop=20 placed after
purchase) until I am up at least 15%.  At = that=20 point,
I raise my limit to my original entry point = (or
aveerage=20 price if multiple purchases).  After that, I
try to us a = trailing=20 stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, = sometimes=20 the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how = badly
I=20 want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
the = stop loss=20 should NEVER be lowered.

Also found this message from Tom = written=20 on 4/21/03:

"I think any stop loss price should be selected = after
studying the chart, and considering your entry = point.
When I=20 use hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see = support,=20 figuring if it goes thru short
term support then it could go = down a lot=20 further.

When I really don't want to be stopped out,=20 and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to = use=20 looser stops."

Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new = e-mail=20 address.

--- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or = hard*
>=20 STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining = steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15% = corrections). =20 I'm especially curious about
> techniques people might use = in this=20 market.
>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing = STOP at=20 xx%
> below the currwnt price.  Another technique I=20 have
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or = 200
>=20 DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide = swings=20 ultimately leads to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still = rising.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
> =
>  Rolf
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C31F99.19B2A020-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Date: 21 May 2003 15:16:50 -0500 But these stops do not automatically change as the stock price changes,= and even if they did, I would only want the stop to move up as the stock mo= ved up in price, but I would never want to lower my original stop price. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com = =20 "Richard Herkert" = =20 cc: = =20 Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANS= LIM] STOPs =20 owner-canslim@lists.xm = =20 ission.com = =20 = =20 = =20 05/21/2003 03:01 PM = =20 Please respond to = =20 canslim = =20 = =20 = =20 Chuck - Ameritrade offers GTC or Day trailing stops. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreie= r Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:49 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Thanks everyone! I don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab= ) and they don't have trailing stops as an option. 'Wish they did..= ... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: S=E9bastien Derks To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs Chuck, A trailing stop works like this: If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock= bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop w= ill change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new high reached. In case the stock drops th= en to $10.45 the stop order will be executed because it only moves u= p when a new high is reached from the point that you bought it for.= S=E9bastien -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck= Dreier Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:05 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than = the stop loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks.... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffwdc To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs Rolf, I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. On 3/20/03 Tom wrote: ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point, I raise my limit to my original entry point (or aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised, the stop loss should NEVER be lowered. Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03: "I think any stop loss price should be selected after studying the chart, and considering your entry point. When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short term support then it could go down a lot further. When I really don't want to be stopped out, and especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend to use looser stops." Jeff Gasta Note: I am now using a new e-mail address. --- Rolf Hertenstein wrote: > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard* > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few > 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about > techniques people might use in this market. > > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx% > below the currwnt price. Another technique I have > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200 > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Rolf > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. = - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 15:17:34 -0500 Our average cost in Garmin is $27.20. We bought around $24+ and then added bringing it close to a full position, 10% of the portfolio. We sold 1/2 the position yesterday, but still hold on to the remainder. The biggest concept we struggled with for years is the "all or none" scenario. We broke through this mental hurdle after several years of studying top traders, in particular Dr. Tharp. It's better to have a little of something, then a lot of nothing. While WON has great concepts, the addition of Position Sizing, how much to risk, is what sets us apart and rounds out our discipline. We tend to carry two stops on positions that gain more than 15%. Remember, your rules should be just that, YOUR RULES. It should be comfortable in both up markets and down. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 15:34:56 -0500 Ed, Thanks for sharing your views. I think what I need to do is print out a couple of charts that show that stopping out with a small gain was the right thing to do as the stock tumbled well lower, so that I can remember that nothing is perfect. Sometimes an action like GRMN today will occur, but the stops are there for a reason, to protect profits, and minimize losses. The same is true for the upside. If you decide to take some profits off the tabel at 15 or 20%, you can't be upset that the stock goes up even more, other than to do further analysis as to whether or not all the signs really were there for an exit. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 03:17 PM Please respond to canslim Our average cost in Garmin is $27.20. We bought around $24+ and then added bringing it close to a full position, 10% of the portfolio. We sold 1/2 the position yesterday, but still hold on to the remainder. The biggest concept we struggled with for years is the "all or none" scenario. We broke through this mental hurdle after several years of studying top traders, in particular Dr. Tharp. It's better to have a little of something, then a lot of nothing. While WON has great concepts, the addition of Position Sizing, how much to risk, is what sets us apart and rounds out our discipline. We tend to carry two stops on positions that gain more than 15%. Remember, your rules should be just that, YOUR RULES. It should be comfortable in both up markets and down. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 16:44:44 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C31FB8.4898C1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% = gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, = I stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking = I'd done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 = to see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this = afternoon on major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours = trading. =20 Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a = great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I = don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a = decision. Anyone else been through something like this before? Thanks... Chuck=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time = from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make = a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, = I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock = like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a = stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% = trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the = day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that = everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even = stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first = 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule = when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to = give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com = =20 "Martin Guldenburg" = =20 cc: = =20 Sent by: Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM] STOPs =20 owner-canslim@lists.xm = =20 ission.com = =20 = =20 = =20 05/21/2003 02:27 PM = =20 Please respond to = =20 canslim = =20 = =20 = =20 Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I was in Garmin at approx $25 and = watched it rise=20 to $48 (a nearly 100% gain!!).  Then as it began to fall, I put a = $44 stop=20 on it - 8%.  Well, I stopped out the other day and watched it = continue to=20 decline thinking I'd done the right thing.  I was awaiting the 50 = day line=20 at about $39 to see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces = back=20 this afternoon on major volume.  It's up to about $44.90 in after = hours=20 trading. 
 
Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do = now.  I=20 honestly believe GRMN is a great company.  I jumped off the train, = and want=20 back on.  But... boy I don't want to get whipsawed.  The chart = isn't=20 helping me make a decision.  Anyone else been through something = like this=20 before?
 
Thanks...
Chuck 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 3:42=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN and=20 selling rules


While we are still on the subject of trailing = stops, it can=20 sometimes
backfire.

At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, = after=20 only a three week time from
purchase.
 I chose to put in a = 15%=20 trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5%
profit if the = stop=20 started to fall.  I know some would sell at least a
portion of = the=20 position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, = I
remembered one of=20 WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like
that for = at =20 least 8 weeks.  He also said that you should NEVER let a = stock
that is=20 up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% = trailer.

And=20 then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has = been
activated,=20 and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the = day,
which would=20 leave me at about a 15% gain again.

Overall, I still think GRMN = is a=20 great company , and am mad that I got
booted out with the stop = loss, but I=20 think this is something that everyone
has to deal with if you plan = on being=20 un-emotional, and using rules.

So what would everyone else have = done?  Should I have had a break even stop
loss instead, since = I was=20 only up 20% but it happened within the first 3
weeks?

Also, = what is=20 everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule when
you = get a=20 high flyer?  Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to = give
it=20 more leeway for a pullback?

Thanks

Mike

Mike = Niemotka ,=20 PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route = 120=20 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax = (847)=20 270-4525
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The chart isn't helping me make a decision. >Anyone else been through something like this before? > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 16:09:15 -0500 Chuck, What made you put a stop at $44? Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Chuck Dreier" cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to canslim I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, I stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking I'd done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this afternoon on major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. Anyone else been through something like this before? Thanks... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Martin Guldenburg" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 02:27 PM Please respond to canslim Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:09 PM Chuck, What made you put a stop at $44? Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Chuck Dreier" cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to canslim I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, I stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking I'd done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this afternoon on major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. Anyone else been through something like this before? Thanks... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Martin Guldenburg" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 02:27 PM Please respond to canslim Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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If = anyone is interested, contact me OFFLINE. Gene | the addition of Position Sizing, how much to risk, is what | sets us apart and rounds out our discipline. =20 Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0327_01C31FB6.70A3D580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, totally=20 agree. The implementation of position sizing allowed me to move = from the=20 classroom to the trading arena.  I have a=20 15 page set of typed notes made after watching Dr. Tharp's Position = Sizing=20 tapes. If anyone is interested, = contact me=20 OFFLINE.
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jch Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 16:44:39 -0500 --=======F305B77======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-13497A07; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mike: I think he noted desire to stop out 8% below $48--I have another comment re stops whether they be trailing at some fixed % or a fixed price rachet, fixed price, or fixed % from purchase..Am I correct in all cases one could see an 8% stop loss actually balloon to much more during a volatile trade day as the stop loss executes at the next trade below your stop loss price?..That's occurred with my trades more than once. jchjch >Chuck, > >What made you put a stop at $44? > > > >Mike Niemotka , PE >Sr. Principal Engineer >Baxter Healthcare Corporation >Route 120 & Wilson Road >Round Lake, IL 60073 >Tel (847) 270-4075 >Fax (847) 270-4525 >michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > "Chuck > Dreier" > > canslim@lists.xmission.com > om> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: Re: > [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > ission.com > > > > > > 05/21/2003 03:44 > PM > > Please respond > to > > canslim > > > > > > > > > >I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% >gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, I >stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking I'd >done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to see >how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this afternoon on >major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. > >Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a >great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I >don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. >Anyone else been through something like this before? > >Thanks... >Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules > > > While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes > backfire. > > At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from > purchase. > I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% > profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a > portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I > remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like > that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a > stock > that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. > > And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been > activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, > which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. > > Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got > booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone > has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. > > So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even > stop > loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 > weeks? > > Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule > when > you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to > give > it more leeway for a pullback? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > "Martin Guldenburg" > > canslim@lists.xmission.com > ail.com> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: > [CANSLIM] STOPs > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > ission.com > > > > 05/21/2003 02:27 PM > > Please respond to > canslim > > > > > > > > Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops > -Martin > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I'll send you the actual alert offline. Gene Do you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking = for exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out = many platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to = Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop = (ideally overnight) I would move to it. Thanks in advance, Tim ------=_NextPart_000_0416_01C31FBC.22A22430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim, Schwab has added new features to=20 StreetSmartPro ... but please be careful using the alerts from Schwab. I = get at=20 least one bad alert from them on a weekly basis. Today's alert was on = TXN. It=20 showed TXN rising +4.71% faster than the S&P 500 since the prior = day's=20 close. With a Last at $19.67. That was hard to do seeing that the day's = range=20 was 18.33 to 18.87. I'll send you the actual alert offline.
 
Gene
Do=20 you know any platforms that do offer a trailing stop? I'm looking = for=20 exactly this and have not found any yet, but I have not checked out = many=20 platforms. I use Schwab Streetsmart Pro now, thinking of going to=20 Cybertrader or Brown and Co. or if I find one with a trailing stop = (ideally=20 overnight) I would move to it.
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Gene,
 
    I would like to see = your notes=20 on position sizing.  However, I don't know how to reach you = offline. =20 Could you share your email address?
 
Bob Mansk
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Ed, totally=20 agree. The implementation of position sizing allowed me to move = from the=20 classroom to the trading arena.  I have=20 a 15 page set of typed notes made after watching Dr. Tharp's Position = Sizing=20 tapes. If anyone is interested, = contact me=20 OFFLINE.
 
Gene

| the addition of Position Sizing, how much to risk, is=20 what
| sets us apart and rounds out our discipline.  =

Ed=20 Gjertsen II

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I will send them shortly,
Gene
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From:=20 Robert Mansk
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 7:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN and=20 selling rules - Position Sizing

Gene,
 
    I would like to = see your notes=20 on position sizing.  However, I don't know how to reach you=20 offline.  Could you share your email address?
 
Bob Mansk
robert.mansk@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 5:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN=20 and selling rules - Position Sizing

Ed,=20 totally agree. The implementation of position sizing allowed me = to move=20 from the classroom to the trading arena.  I have a 15 page set of typed notes made = after watching=20 Dr. Tharp's Position Sizing tapes. If=20 anyone is interested, contact me OFFLINE.
 
Gene

| the addition of Position Sizing, how much to risk, = is=20 what
| sets us apart and rounds out our discipline.  =

Ed=20 Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com
 
&nbs= p;
------=_NextPart_000_027B_01C31FD2.3F11CBF0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mhboatman@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Upward sloping saucer??? Date: 21 May 2003 22:33:28 EDT --part1_136.1f4850c6.2bfd90f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there such a thing as an upward sloping saucer? Looking at a daily DGO chart on USNA one can draw a line from the high of $7.90 on 6-22-02 to the high at $29.52 on 5-7-03. Below that line appears what would seem to be an upward sloping saucer (still visible but less apparent using a logarithmic chart). If that is a saucer, could what follows the 5-7-03 high be thought of as the beginnings of a handle? We note that the *saucer* has increasing price and volume on the right side with an improving relative strength line, characteristics typically seen in saucer patterns. We am not contemplating a purchase so much as seeking clarification of what we are seeing in this chart. Howard --part1_136.1f4850c6.2bfd90f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there such a thing as an upward sloping saucer?

Looking at a daily DGO chart on USNA one can draw a line from the high of $7= .90 on 6-22-02 to the high at $29.52 on 5-7-03.  Below that line appear= s what would seem to be an upward sloping saucer (still visible but less app= arent using a logarithmic chart).  If that is a saucer, could what foll= ows the 5-7-03 high be thought of as the beginnings of a handle?

We note that the *saucer*  has increasing price and volume on the right= side with an improving relative strength line, characteristics typically se= en in saucer patterns. 

We am not contemplating a purchase so much as seeking clarification of what=20= we are seeing in this chart.

Howard

 --part1_136.1f4850c6.2bfd90f8_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any commentson MME Date: 21 May 2003 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Great fundies. Would have been nice if buy at BO on 4/20. Currently extended from base. --- Sébastien_Derks wrote: > Any comments on this stock (MME)? > It seems to be following a nice pattern which good > CANSLIM support. > > > Sébastien > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Upward sloping saucer??? Date: 21 May 2003 23:35:17 EDT --part1_129.2a804b15.2bfd9f75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Howard: Sorry but I don't think WON recognizes a sloping saucer. A saucer is nothing more than a cup/handle with an extended flat bottom. The left hand side of the cup defines the beginning of a formation. What you are looking at, I believe, is an ascending base. This is a very good, healthy formation with constant growth, but without the explosive jump we look for in the c/h. In today's market I personally like the ascending base. Hope this helps. Charley --part1_129.2a804b15.2bfd9f75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Howard: Sorry but I do= n't think WON recognizes a sloping saucer. A saucer is nothing more than a c= up/handle with an extended flat bottom. The left hand side of the cup define= s the beginning of a formation.
What you are looking at, I believe, is an ascending base. This is a very= good, healthy formation with constant growth, but without the explosive jum= p we look for in the c/h. In today's market I personally like the ascending=20= base.
Hope this helps.
Charley --part1_129.2a804b15.2bfd9f75_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Upward sloping saucer??? Date: 21 May 2003 22:43:56 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C31FEA.76932930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Howard, To say USNA is tracing an "upward sloping saucer" would be stretching the concept of a base a bit too far. What you've got in the pattern you point out is a healthy rising stock. The idea of a base is that it represents a pause in the rising action of the stock, and with the exception of a few basing patterns such as the ascending base, for the most part, these corrections take the stock *down* in price. See a graphic representation of this process of rising/basing/breaking out at: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BasingProcess.JPG With USNA, you can see the same pattern over the last couple of years if you look at a weekly chart: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/USNA052103Wkly.JPG The idea of identifying a base is that the pause in the rising action gives you a "safe" or "lower risk" entry point in the stock. Enter while it's on the rise and you're more likely to suffer through a correction or an out and out failure! Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mhboatman@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:33 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Upward sloping saucer??? Is there such a thing as an upward sloping saucer? Looking at a daily DGO chart on USNA one can draw a line from the high of $7.90 on 6-22-02 to the high at $29.52 on 5-7-03. Below that line appears what would seem to be an upward sloping saucer (still visible but less apparent using a logarithmic chart). If that is a saucer, could what follows the 5-7-03 high be thought of as the beginnings of a handle? We note that the *saucer* has increasing price and volume on the right side with an improving relative strength line, characteristics typically seen in saucer patterns. We am not contemplating a purchase so much as seeking clarification of what we are seeing in this chart. Howard ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C31FEA.76932930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Howard,
 
To say USNA is tracing an "upward = sloping=20 saucer" would be stretching the concept of a base a bit too far. What = you've got=20 in the pattern you point out is a healthy rising stock. The idea of a = base is=20 that it represents a pause in the rising action of the stock, and with = the=20 exception of a few basing patterns such as the ascending base, for the = most=20 part, these corrections take the stock *down* in price. See a graphic=20 representation of this process of rising/basing/breaking out = at:
 
http://www.= cwhcharts.com/katherine/BasingProcess.JPG
 
With USNA, you can see the same = pattern over=20 the last couple of years if you look at a weekly chart:
 
http://www= .cwhcharts.com/katherine/USNA052103Wkly.JPG
 
The idea of identifying a base is = that the=20 pause in the rising action gives you a "safe" or "lower risk" entry = point in the=20 stock. Enter while it's on the rise and you're more likely to suffer = through a=20 correction or an out and out failure!
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 Mhboatman@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:33=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 Upward sloping saucer???

Is there such a = thing as an upward=20 sloping saucer?

Looking at a daily DGO chart on USNA one can = draw a=20 line from the high of $7.90 on 6-22-02 to the high at $29.52 on = 5-7-03. =20 Below that line appears what would seem to be an upward sloping saucer = (still=20 visible but less apparent using a logarithmic chart).  If that is = a=20 saucer, could what follows the 5-7-03 high be thought of as the = beginnings of=20 a handle?

We note that the *saucer*  has increasing price = and=20 volume on the right side with an improving relative strength line,=20 characteristics typically seen in saucer patterns. 

We am = not=20 contemplating a purchase so much as seeking clarification of what we = are=20 seeing in this=20 chart.

Howard

 ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C31FEA.76932930-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mhboatman@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Upward sloping saucer??? Date: 22 May 2003 00:02:58 EDT --part1_1d3.a2f9de2.2bfda5f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A thank you to both you and Charley for the prompt reply. The situation certainly looks different on a 2 year weekly chart compared to the shorter term chart I was viewing. I trust you have been enjoying a good market the past 5 - 6 weeks. Howard --part1_1d3.a2f9de2.2bfda5f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A thank you to both you and Charley for the prompt rep= ly.  The situation certainly looks different on a 2 year weekly chart c= ompared to the shorter term chart I was viewing.

I trust you have been enjoying a good market the past 5 - 6 weeks.

Howard --part1_1d3.a2f9de2.2bfda5f2_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Mulder" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 21 May 2003 22:56:32 -0400 << Well the trend has been broken...I would keep an eye on it and see if it can form some support and move up again. >> How has the trend been broken? GRMN has not violated its 50-day moving average or its intermediate-term trendline (connecting the late October 2002 lows and the dip in early April 2003 on a log scale). In fact, GRMN showed the support you are looking for when, today, it dipped to within a few ticks of its intermediate-term trendline and rebounded sharply. - Jeff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:04 PM > Well the trend has been broken...I would keep an eye on it and see if it can > form some support and move up again. > > Off-topic: look at the nice chart on MDU! > > > >From: "Chuck Dreier" > > > >Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a > >great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I > >don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. > >Anyone else been through something like this before? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 07:20:02 -0500 I understood that part, but why would you apply the 8% rule to the top end of the run? Not being critical, just wanting to understand the reasoning. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 04:24 PM Please respond to canslim 8% loss on $48=$44.16 Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:09 PM Chuck, What made you put a stop at $44? Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Chuck Dreier" cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to canslim I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, I stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking I'd done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this afternoon on major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. Anyone else been through something like this before? Thanks... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Martin Guldenburg" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 02:27 PM Please respond to canslim Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 07:26:42 -0500 Yes, You are correct. If you use a stop loss order, it gets triggered when the price drops to that point or below, and immediately becomes a market order. So if the stock is sloping downwards at that point, you could end up with a larger loss that 8%. In the case of GRMN, my stop losses ending up being at a 5% gain rather than my expected 8% gain for just that reason. One way around it would be to use a stop-limit order, which would trigger when the stock dropped to that price, but then it becomes a limit order, so you would not sell for less than that price. Again, in the case of GRMN, it would have locked in my 8% gain, BUT, if GRMN would have continued downward. my order would NEVER get executed, and I would end the day still holding the stock, with more loss than I wanted. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com jch To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules ission.com 05/21/2003 04:44 PM Please respond to canslim Mike: I think he noted desire to stop out 8% below $48--I have another comment re stops whether they be trailing at some fixed % or a fixed price rachet, fixed price, or fixed % from purchase..Am I correct in all cases one could see an 8% stop loss actually balloon to much more during a volatile trade day as the stop loss executes at the next trade below your stop loss price?..That's occurred with my trades more than once. jchjch >Chuck, > >What made you put a stop at $44? > > > >Mike Niemotka , PE >Sr. Principal Engineer >Baxter Healthcare Corporation >Route 120 & Wilson Road >Round Lake, IL 60073 >Tel (847) 270-4075 >Fax (847) 270-4525 >michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > "Chuck > Dreier" > > canslim@lists.xmission.com > om> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: Re: > [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > ission.com > > > > > > 05/21/2003 03:44 > PM > > Please respond > to > > canslim > > > > > > > > > >I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly 100% >gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. Well, I >stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking I'd >done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to see >how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this afternoon on >major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. > >Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a >great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy I >don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a decision. >Anyone else been through something like this before? > >Thanks... >Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules > > > While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes > backfire. > > At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time from > purchase. > I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make a 5% > profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least a > portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I > remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like > that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a > stock > that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% trailer. > > And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been > activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the day, > which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. > > Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I got > booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that everyone > has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. > > So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break even > stop > loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first 3 > weeks? > > Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks rule > when > you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, to > give > it more leeway for a pullback? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > "Martin Guldenburg" > > canslim@lists.xmission.com > ail.com> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: > [CANSLIM] STOPs > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > ission.com > > > > 05/21/2003 02:27 PM > > Please respond to > canslim > > > > > > > > Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops > -Martin > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bojanowski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 08:27:38 -0400 Okay I guess it depends how you look at it. I'm looking at it in a shorter term. When I look at charts I look at MACD and the 13-day EMA. The MACD is falling right now and the MACD histogram is negative. The overall chart has been great, but if I were my money I wouldn't buy just yet. I'd like to see the MACD stuff turn up again before I buy. But that's just me. http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/details?Symbol=grmn&Refer=http://clearstation.etrade.com/ >From: "Jeff Mulder" ><< Well the trend has been broken...I would keep an eye on it and see if it >can form some support and move up again. >> > >How has the trend been broken? GRMN has not violated its 50-day moving >average or its intermediate-term trendline (connecting the late October >2002 >lows and the dip in early April 2003 on a log scale). In fact, GRMN showed >the support you are looking for when, today, it dipped to within a few >ticks >of its intermediate-term trendline and rebounded sharply. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 08:50:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3203F.2D936A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, The stop was at 8% below the top, rounding off to the nearest dollar. I = figure a drop of 8% from the high (actually it was a little more than = that) follows the WON rule. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Chuck, What made you put a stop at $44? Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com = =20 "Chuck Dreier" = =20 cc: = =20 Sent by: Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules =20 owner-canslim@lists.xm = =20 ission.com = =20 = =20 = =20 05/21/2003 03:44 PM = =20 Please respond to = =20 canslim = =20 = =20 = =20 I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise to $48 (a nearly = 100% gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 stop on it - 8%. = Well, I stopped out the other day and watched it continue to decline thinking = I'd done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day line at about $39 to = see how to proceed, and then low and behold - it bounces back this = afternoon on major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after hours trading. Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I honestly believe GRMN is a great company. I jumped off the train, and want back on. But... boy = I don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't helping me make a = decision. Anyone else been through something like this before? Thanks... Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules While we are still on the subject of trailing stops, it can sometimes backfire. At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time = from purchase. I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at worst case I would make = a 5% profit if the stop started to fall. I know some would sell at least = a portion of the position at a 20% gain, but because it came so = quickly, I remembered one of WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock = like that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that you should NEVER let a stock that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is why I used a 15% = trailer. And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my stop loss has been activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a 10% swing during the = day, which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , and am mad that I = got booted out with the stop loss, but I think this is something that = everyone has to deal with if you plan on being un-emotional, and using rules. So what would everyone else have done? Should I have had a break = even stop loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the = first 3 weeks? Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's hold for 8 weeks = rule when you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to break even instead, = to give it more leeway for a pullback? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Martin Guldenburg" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/21/2003 02:27 PM Please respond to canslim Ameritrade offers Trailing Stops -Martin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Mike,
The stop was at 8% below the top, = rounding off to=20 the nearest dollar.  I figure a drop of 8% from the high (actually = it was a=20 little more than that) follows the WON rule.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 5:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN and=20 selling rules


Chuck,

What made you put a stop at=20 $44?



Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal = Engineer
Baxter=20 Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, = IL=20 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com


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I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise = to $48=20 (a nearly 100%
gain!!).  Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 = stop on=20 it - 8%.  Well, I
stopped out the other day and watched it = continue to=20 decline thinking I'd
done the right thing.  I was awaiting the = 50 day=20 line at about $39 to see
how to proceed, and then low and behold - = it=20 bounces back this afternoon on
major volume.  It's up to about = $44.90=20 in after hours trading.

Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do = now. =20 I honestly believe GRMN is a
great company.  I jumped off the = train,=20 and want back on.  But... boy I
don't want to get = whipsawed.  The=20 chart isn't helping me make a decision.
Anyone else been through = something=20 like this before?

Thanks...
Chuck
 ----- Original = Message=20 -----
 From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com
 To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com=
 Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM
 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN=20 and selling rules


 While we are still on the subject = of=20 trailing stops, it can sometimes
 backfire.

 At = one point,=20 I was up over 20% in GRMN, after only a three week time=20 from
 purchase.
  I chose to put in a 15% trailing = stop, ie at=20 worst case I would make a 5%
 profit if the stop started to=20 fall.  I know some would sell at least a
 portion of the = position=20 at a 20% gain, but because it came so quickly, I
 remembered = one of=20 WON's rules that said that you should hold a stock like
 that = for=20 at  least 8 weeks.  He also said that you should NEVER let=20 a
 stock
 that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that = is why I=20 used a 15% trailer.

 And then today, I get the e-mail = notice that=20 my stop loss has been
 activated, and then I watch GRMN go on = to have=20 a 10% swing during the day,
 which would leave me at about a = 15% gain=20 again.

 Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , = and am=20 mad that I got
 booted out with the stop loss, but I think = this is=20 something that everyone
 has to deal with if you plan on being = un-emotional, and using rules.

 So what would everyone = else have=20 done?  Should I have had a break even
 stop
 loss = instead, since I was only up 20% but it happened within the first=20 3
 weeks?

 Also, what is everyone's interpretation = of=20 WON's hold for 8 weeks rule
 when
 you get a high = flyer? =20 Do you limit the loss to break even instead, = to
 give
 it more=20 leeway for a = pullback?

 Thanks

 Mike

 Mike=20 Niemotka , PE
 Sr. Principal Engineer
 Baxter = Healthcare=20 Corporation
 Route 120 & Wilson Road
 Round Lake, = IL=20 60073
 Tel (847) 270-4075
 Fax (847) = 270-4525
 michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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Bert
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 7:34=20 PM
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FYI

 
http://www.schwab.com/SchwabNOW/navigation/mainFra= meSet/0,4528,864|9765,00.html?orig=3Datebulletin&dest=3Dkentowermay&a= mp;pos=3Dmain&ebmk=3Dacquisition
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I do not get his email, a = friend forwarded this to me.=20 Gene > Everbank World Markets > A Pfennig For Your Thoughts > May 21, 2003 > > In This Issue... > > * Soros Returns > * Mad Cow in Canada > * Coming Clean > * Headaches! > > ........But First, A Word From Our Sponsor.......... > > Need more World Market deposit slips? Simply give > us a call at 800.926.4922, or, you can send an > e-mail to worldmarkets@everbank.com. We'll be happy > to send you more Bank-By-Mail envelopes by return mail. > > ..................................................... > And now... Today's Pfennig! > > > > Soros Pushes The Euro Past 1.17 > > > Good day... Well, yesterday we had a truck load of news to digest, = which > gives me an opportunity to regurgitate it here! Had an awful headache > yesterday, hope I didn't snap at anyone, or set somebody "off" with a > sarcastic comment, like I'm known to do... > > First story out of the starter's blocks this morning was the piece = that > came across the screens late yesterday afternoon, regarding financier > George Soros, and his outlook for the dollar. Here are some snippets = for > your perusal... Hedge funds and other speculative investors are back = in > the limelight in currency markets after billionaire investor George > Soros said on Tuesday he was selling the dollar against most major > currencies. > > Soros's salvo was confirmation of what currency market data had > suggested: that short-term currency market investors are a key = catalyst > pushing the euro higher against the languishing greenback. > > In the wide-ranging interview in which he assailed the Bush > administration's policies, Soros said he was buying the euro and the > currencies of Australia, Canada and New Zealand against the dollar, as > well as gold. > > Ok, stop for a minute... Does this sound like either; 1. He's been > talking to the desk here... Or 2. maybe, just maybe, he's a Pfennig > Reader? > > Either way, his comments were the fuel the euro needed to move past = the > 1.17 handle, and stay there through the Tokyo session... > > Some of you may recall the events in 1992, when Soros led a group of > speculators in bouncing the British pound out of the ERM... (the ERM = is > the Exchange Rate Mechanism that was used to place currencies in a = range > before assigning a value to exchange for euros) Soros probably doesn't > have the drive any longer to take on a Central Bank, but his saying = that > the dollar should be sold, is enough of a catalyst to move the market. > > Ok... Next, is the story that hit the screen late yesterday regarding = a > cow in Alberta Canada that tested positive for Mad Cow... I saw that > headline, and immediately spun my head around to see where the loonie > was trading, for I assumed this would hurt the currency... Nope! Not > today... In fact, my contact in Canada, tells me that businesses and > institutions were buying the loonie by the handfuls... And... The = loonie > closed above 74-cents! > > Man! Everybody and their brothers are writing about the end of the > "strong dollar policy"... Hey! Don't you think that former U.S. = Treasury > Secretary, Paul O'Neill is wishing he would have been able to come = clean > like his replacement, John Snow? O'Neill had to feel foolish to stand = up > and say the administration still believed in a strong dollar policy, > when, he had steel tariffs, interest rates being cut by the boat load, > and other indications to the contrary? I do... But at least Mr. Snow, > can go out in public! > > I received some really cool press yesterday in Thom Calandra's = report... > Mr. Calandra, of CBS Market Watch, has started a "paid" subscription > newsletter... It's very good! I subscribe! Just go to the CBS Market > Watch web site, and look for the link to sign up for the "Calandra > Report". > > Aussie dollars touched 66-cents last night, only to see a bit of = profit > taking on the figure... But pretty soon, those sell orders will be in > the rear view mirror of Aussie dollars... And it will find that you = can > get your kicks... On route 66! > > Oh, Greenspan heads to the "hill" today... And he's going to tell > members of the Senate, and House that he still sees stronger growth in > the 2nd half of this year... Of course the last time he tried that > schpeel, a congressman asked him what planet he was from! So, it will = be > interesting to see what happens this time. > > The Norges Bank's Gov. Gjedrem said this morning that Norway's = inflation > is easing... Ok for all of you new to class... This is Central Bank > parlance for... A rate cut is coming, tra la, tra la... > > Currencies today: A$ .6592, kiwi .5855, C$ .7410, euro 1.1715, = sterling > 1.6440, Swiss .7765, rand 7.7676, krone 6.7005, forint 210.15, zloty > 3.73, koruna 26.88, yen 117, (back to 117, the BOJ intervention = worked! > For now...) and pesos... 10.2270 > > That's it for today... Everyone is back home on the desk now... We've > had business, vacations, and world travelers, like Cheryl Harper, who > was greatly missed! But the house is in order now... Shoot, that darn > headache is coming back... YECH! Oh well, have a great Wednesday! > > Chuck Butler > President > Everbank World Markets > 1-800-926-4922 > 1-314-984-0892 > www.everbank.com > > = > = > ---------------- > All comments and opinions are solely those of the writer and are not = in > any way comments or opinions of Everbank, First Alliance Bank, (FAB), = or > any affiliates of either entity. Additional information is available > upon request. Information in this publication has been obtained from > sources believed by the writer to be reliable, but the accuracy, > completeness and interpretation are not guaranteed and have not been > independently verified. Opinions expressed are subject to change = without > notice and, due to the rapidly changing nature of currency markets, = may > quickly become outdated. The opinions and information presented do not > constitute a solicitation for the purchase or sale of any securities = or > options on securities. ADDRESS CHANGE? WISH TO CANCEL? OR SIGN UP A > FRIEND OR COLLEAGUE? SEND A MESSAGE TO worldcurrency@everbank.com = Chuck > Butler President Everbank World Markets 1-800-926-4922 1-314-984-0892 > www.everbank.com > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0272_01C3203F.BEA8D530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recall someone asking about information regarding = currencies.  Chuck=20 Butler publishes the Pfenning that may be good for this = purpose.=20 There are sign-up instructions at the end of this. I do not get his = email, a=20 friend forwarded this to me.
Gene


> Everbank World=20 Markets
>          A = Pfennig=20 For Your Thoughts
>     May 21, = 2003
>
>=20 In This Issue...
>
> * Soros Returns
> * Mad Cow in=20 Canada
> * Coming Clean
> * Headaches!
>
> = ........But=20 First, A Word From Our Sponsor..........
>
> Need more World = Market=20 deposit slips? Simply give
> us a call at 800.926.4922, or, you = can send=20 an
> e-mail to worldmarkets@everbank.com. = We'll be=20 happy
> to send you more Bank-By-Mail envelopes by return=20 mail.
>
>=20 .....................................................
> And now... = Today's=20 Pfennig!
>
>
>
> Soros Pushes The Euro Past=20 1.17
>
>
> Good day... Well, yesterday we had a truck = load of=20 news to digest, which
> gives me an opportunity to regurgitate it = here!=20 Had an awful headache
> yesterday, hope I didn't snap at anyone, = or set=20 somebody "off" with a
> sarcastic comment, like I'm known to=20 do...
>
> First story out of the starter's blocks this = morning was=20 the piece that
> came across the screens late yesterday afternoon, = regarding financier
> George Soros, and his outlook for the = dollar. Here=20 are some snippets for
> your perusal... Hedge funds and other = speculative=20 investors are back in
> the limelight in currency markets after=20 billionaire investor George
> Soros said on Tuesday he was selling = the=20 dollar against most major
> currencies.
>
> Soros's = salvo was=20 confirmation of what currency market data had
> suggested: that = short-term=20 currency market investors are a key catalyst
> pushing the euro = higher=20 against the languishing greenback.
>
> In the wide-ranging = interview=20 in which he assailed the Bush
> administration's policies, Soros = said he=20 was buying the euro and the
> currencies of Australia, Canada and = New=20 Zealand against the dollar, as
> well as gold.
>
> Ok, = stop=20 for a minute... Does this sound like either; 1. He's been
> = talking to the=20 desk here... Or 2. maybe, just maybe, he's a Pfennig
>=20 Reader?
>
> Either way, his comments were the fuel the euro = needed=20 to move past the
> 1.17 handle, and stay there through the Tokyo=20 session...
>
> Some of you may recall the events in 1992, = when Soros=20 led a group of
> speculators in bouncing the British pound out of = the=20 ERM... (the ERM is
> the Exchange Rate Mechanism that was used to = place=20 currencies in a range
> before assigning a value to exchange for = euros)=20 Soros probably doesn't
> have the drive any longer to take on a = Central=20 Bank, but his saying that
> the dollar should be sold, is enough = of a=20 catalyst to move the market.
>
> Ok... Next, is the story = that hit=20 the screen late yesterday regarding a
> cow in Alberta Canada that = tested=20 positive for Mad Cow... I saw that
> headline, and immediately = spun my=20 head around to see where the loonie
> was trading, for I assumed = this=20 would hurt the currency... Nope! Not
> today... In fact, my = contact in=20 Canada, tells me that businesses and
> institutions were buying = the loonie=20 by the handfuls... And... The loonie
> closed above=20 74-cents!
>
> Man! Everybody and their brothers are writing = about=20 the end of the
> "strong dollar policy"... Hey! Don't you think = that=20 former U.S. Treasury
> Secretary, Paul O'Neill is wishing he would = have=20 been able to come clean
> like his replacement, John Snow? O'Neill = had to=20 feel foolish to stand up
> and say the administration still = believed in a=20 strong dollar policy,
> when, he had steel tariffs, interest rates = being=20 cut by the boat load,
> and other indications to the contrary? I = do... But=20 at least Mr. Snow,
> can go out in public!
>
> I = received some=20 really cool press yesterday in Thom Calandra's report...
> Mr. = Calandra,=20 of CBS Market Watch,  has started a "paid" subscription
>=20 newsletter... It's very good! I subscribe! Just go to the CBS = Market
>=20 Watch web site, and look for the link to sign up for the = "Calandra
>=20 Report".
>
> Aussie dollars touched 66-cents last night, = only to see=20 a bit of profit
> taking on the figure... But pretty soon, those = sell=20 orders will be in
> the rear view mirror of Aussie dollars... And = it will=20 find that you can
> get your kicks... On route 66!
>
> = Oh,=20 Greenspan heads to the "hill" today... And he's going to tell
> = members of=20 the Senate, and House that he still sees stronger growth in
> the = 2nd half=20 of this year... Of course the last time he tried that
> schpeel, a = congressman asked him what planet he was from! So, it will be
>=20 interesting to see what happens this time.
>
> The Norges = Bank's=20 Gov. Gjedrem said this morning that Norway's inflation
> is = easing... Ok=20 for all of you new to class... This is Central Bank
> parlance = for... A=20 rate cut is coming, tra la, tra la...
>
> Currencies today: = A$=20 .6592, kiwi .5855, C$ .7410, euro 1.1715, sterling
> 1.6440, Swiss = .7765,=20 rand 7.7676, krone 6.7005, forint 210.15, zloty
> 3.73, koruna = 26.88, yen=20 117, (back to 117, the BOJ intervention worked!
> For now...) and = pesos...=20 10.2270
>
> That's it for today... Everyone is back home on = the desk=20 now... We've
> had business, vacations, and world travelers, like = Cheryl=20 Harper, who
> was greatly missed! But the house is in order = now... =20 Shoot, that darn
> headache is coming back... YECH! Oh well, have = a great=20 Wednesday!
>
> Chuck Butler
> President
> = Everbank World=20 Markets
> 1-800-926-4922
> 1-314-984-0892
> www.everbank.com
>
>=20 BR>>=20 BR>>=20 ----------------
> All comments and opinions are solely those of = the=20 writer and are not in
> any way comments or opinions of Everbank, = First=20 Alliance Bank, (FAB), or
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------=_NextPart_000_0272_01C3203F.BEA8D530-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] A Quick Way to Scan the Universe for Attractive Stocks by Ken Tower (CyberTrader) Date: 22 May 2003 09:00:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C32040.A1634860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bert, maybe so... I don't think the source is the issue (especially = since I no longer subscribe to IBD). Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bert Pesak=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] A Quick Way to Scan the Universe for Attractive = Stocks by Ken Tower (CyberTrader) Gene, I read the article and it looks to me that it would be quicker to get = the information out of IBD. Am I wrong? Bert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] A Quick Way to Scan the Universe for Attractive = Stocks by Ken Tower (CyberTrader) FYI =20 = http://www.schwab.com/SchwabNOW/navigation/mainFrameSet/0,4528,864|9765,0= 0.html?orig=3Datebulletin&dest=3Dkentowermay&pos=3Dmain&ebmk=3Dacquisitio= n ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C32040.A1634860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bert, maybe so... I don't think the = source is=20 the issue (especially since I no longer subscribe to IBD).
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 = 8:52=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] A Quick = Way to=20 Scan the Universe for Attractive Stocks by Ken Tower = (CyberTrader)

Gene,
I read the article and it looks to me that it = would be=20 quicker to get the information out of IBD.  Am I = wrong?
Bert
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 7:34=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] A Quick = Way to Scan=20 the Universe for Attractive Stocks by Ken Tower (CyberTrader)

FYI

 
http://www.schwab.com/SchwabNOW/navigation/mainFra= meSet/0,4528,864|9765,00.html?orig=3Datebulletin&dest=3Dkentowermay&a= mp;pos=3Dmain&ebmk=3Dacquisition
------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C32040.A1634860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out Date: 22 May 2003 11:11:37 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C32052.E9723910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SHFL was a stock discussed a week or two ago. Today it seems to be = breaking out of it's handle. However, though it is up $1.40 it is $1 = below its intraday high. Seems to be a little resistance at $25. If it = fails to close above the left side of its handle, would this be = considered a failed breakout? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C32052.E9723910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SHFL was a stock discussed a week or = two ago. =20 Today it seems to be breaking out of it's handle.  However, though = it is up=20 $1.40 it is $1 below its intraday high.  Seems to be a little=20 resistance at $25.  If it fails to close above the left side of its = handle,=20 would this be considered a failed breakout?
 
Chris
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At 2:35 PM CST volume is up about 290% and there is still time for the=20= price to exceed $25., but if it doesn't, I consider this a continuing opport= unity to buy in the "safe" zone, or within 5% of pivot. This does not repres= ent a broken formation unless the price closes above $25. then falls below t= he pivot within the next few days.

Charley --part1_de.39100de4.2bfe748d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out Date: 22 May 2003 13:51:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C32069.4F49AFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris, A stock hasn't broken out unless it *closes* above the pivot on >=150% average daily volume. WON suggests, however, that if, intraday, a stock hits the pivot price on projected volume >= 150% ADV, then it makes sense to enter the position. If by day's end it falls back below the pivot, you can either sell it outright, or hold if you wish to take on the risk. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:12 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out SHFL was a stock discussed a week or two ago. Today it seems to be breaking out of it's handle. However, though it is up $1.40 it is $1 below its intraday high. Seems to be a little resistance at $25. If it fails to close above the left side of its handle, would this be considered a failed breakout? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C32069.4F49AFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
A stock hasn't broken out unless = it *closes*=20 above the pivot on >=3D150% average daily volume. WON suggests, = however, that=20 if, intraday, a stock hits the pivot price on projected volume = >=3D 150%=20 ADV, then it makes sense to enter the position. If by day's end it falls = back=20 below the pivot, you can either sell it outright, or hold if you wish to = take on=20 the risk.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:12 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking = Out

SHFL was a stock discussed a week or = two=20 ago.  Today it seems to be breaking out of it's handle.  = However,=20 though it is up $1.40 it is $1 below its intraday high.  Seems to = be a little resistance at $25.  If it fails to close above = the left=20 side of its handle, would this be considered a failed = breakout?
 
Chris
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Charley --part1_18c.1ab05779.2bfe92a9_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 14:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Chuck The 8% refer to the initial stop loss. This is the stop under your entry price, the percentage you are willing to risk. The 8% doesn't refer to your trailing stop. All the other sell rules come in play once you have a decent profit. - Fanus --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > Mike, > The stop was at 8% below the top, rounding off to > the nearest dollar. I figure a drop of 8% from the > high (actually it was a little more than that) > follows the WON rule. > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling > rules > > > > Chuck, > > What made you put a stop at $44? > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > "Chuck Dreier" > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > om> > cc: > > Sent by: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and > selling rules > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > > ission.com > > > > > > > > > 05/21/2003 03:44 PM > > > Please respond to > > > canslim > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise > to $48 (a nearly 100% > gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 > stop on it - 8%. Well, I > stopped out the other day and watched it continue > to decline thinking I'd > done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day > line at about $39 to see > how to proceed, and then low and behold - it > bounces back this afternoon on > major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after > hours trading. > > Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I > honestly believe GRMN is a > great company. I jumped off the train, and want > back on. But... boy I > don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't > helping me make a decision. > Anyone else been through something like this > before? > > Thanks... > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling > rules > > > While we are still on the subject of trailing > stops, it can sometimes > backfire. > > At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after > only a three week time from > purchase. > I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at > worst case I would make a 5% > profit if the stop started to fall. I know some > would sell at least a > portion of the position at a 20% gain, but > because it came so quickly, I > remembered one of WON's rules that said that you > should hold a stock like > that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that > you should NEVER let a > stock > that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is > why I used a 15% trailer. > > And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my > stop loss has been > activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a > 10% swing during the day, > which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. > > Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , > and am mad that I got > booted out with the stop loss, but I think this > is something that everyone > has to deal with if you plan on being > un-emotional, and using rules. > > So what would everyone else have done? Should I > have had a break even > stop > loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it > happened within the first 3 > weeks? > > Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's > hold for 8 weeks rule > when > you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to > break even instead, to > give > it more leeway for a pullback? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > "Martin Guldenburg" > > To: > canslim@lists.xmission.com > ail.com> > cc: > > Sent by: > Subject: RE: > [CANSLIM] STOPs > owner-canslim@lists.xm > > ission.com > > > > 05/21/2003 02:27 PM > > Please respond to > canslim > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Date: 22 May 2003 17:28:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C32087.89AFCEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fanus I have learned from this experience, no doubt about it! And so, right = or wrong, I bought back in this morning at $44.75. It cost me a few = dollars getting out and back in, but there was an upturn today after I = bought. I'm comfortable with my decision to get back in - we'll see how = it all shakes out in the long run.=20 Thanks to you, and everyone else, for your insights. Chuck =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fanus=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling rules Chuck The 8% refer to the initial stop loss. This is the stop under your entry price, the percentage you are willing to risk. The 8% doesn't refer to your trailing stop. All the other sell rules come in play once you have a decent profit. =20 - Fanus --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > Mike, > The stop was at 8% below the top, rounding off to > the nearest dollar. I figure a drop of 8% from the > high (actually it was a little more than that) > follows the WON rule. > Chuck > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20 > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling > rules >=20 >=20 >=20 > Chuck, >=20 > What made you put a stop at $44? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > "Chuck Dreier" =20 > =20 > =20 > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =20 > =20 > om> =20 > cc: =20 > =20 > Sent by: =20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and > selling rules =20 > owner-canslim@lists.xm =20 > =20 > =20 > ission.com =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > 05/21/2003 03:44 PM =20 > =20 > =20 > Please respond to =20 > =20 > =20 > canslim =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I was in Garmin at approx $25 and watched it rise > to $48 (a nearly 100% > gain!!). Then as it began to fall, I put a $44 > stop on it - 8%. Well, I > stopped out the other day and watched it continue > to decline thinking I'd > done the right thing. I was awaiting the 50 day > line at about $39 to see > how to proceed, and then low and behold - it > bounces back this afternoon on > major volume. It's up to about $44.90 in after > hours trading. >=20 > Boy, I'm at a loss about what to do now. I > honestly believe GRMN is a > great company. I jumped off the train, and want > back on. But... boy I > don't want to get whipsawed. The chart isn't > helping me make a decision. > Anyone else been through something like this > before? >=20 > Thanks... > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling > rules >=20 >=20 > While we are still on the subject of trailing > stops, it can sometimes > backfire. >=20 > At one point, I was up over 20% in GRMN, after > only a three week time from > purchase. > I chose to put in a 15% trailing stop, ie at > worst case I would make a 5% > profit if the stop started to fall. I know some > would sell at least a > portion of the position at a 20% gain, but > because it came so quickly, I > remembered one of WON's rules that said that you > should hold a stock like > that for at least 8 weeks. He also said that > you should NEVER let a > stock > that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so that is > why I used a 15% trailer. >=20 > And then today, I get the e-mail notice that my > stop loss has been > activated, and then I watch GRMN go on to have a > 10% swing during the day, > which would leave me at about a 15% gain again. >=20 > Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company , > and am mad that I got > booted out with the stop loss, but I think this > is something that everyone > has to deal with if you plan on being > un-emotional, and using rules. >=20 > So what would everyone else have done? Should I > have had a break even > stop > loss instead, since I was only up 20% but it > happened within the first 3 > weeks? >=20 > Also, what is everyone's interpretation of WON's > hold for 8 weeks rule > when > you get a high flyer? Do you limit the loss to > break even instead, to > give > it more leeway for a pullback? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Mike >=20 > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Martin Guldenburg" >=20 > To: > canslim@lists.xmission.com > ail.com> =20 > cc: >=20 > Sent by: =20 > Subject: RE: > [CANSLIM] STOPs > owner-canslim@lists.xm >=20 > ission.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > 05/21/2003 02:27 PM >=20 > Please respond to > canslim >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Fanus
 
I have learned from this experience, no = doubt about=20 it!  And so, right or wrong, I bought back in this morning at = $44.75. =20 It cost me a few dollars getting out and back in, but there was an = upturn today=20 after I bought.  I'm comfortable with my decision to get back = in -=20 we'll see how it all shakes out in the long run. 
 
Thanks to you, and everyone else, for = your=20 insights.
 
Chuck  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fanus
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 = 5:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs = and GRMN and=20 selling rules

Chuck

The 8% refer to the initial stop = loss.  This=20 is the
stop under your entry price, the percentage you = are
willing to=20 risk.  The 8% doesn't refer to your
trailing stop.  All = the other=20 sell rules come in play
once you have a decent profit.  =

-=20 Fanus

--- Chuck Dreier <chucknsc@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Mike,
> The stop was at 8% below the top, = rounding off=20 to
> the nearest dollar.  I figure a drop of 8% from = the
>=20 high (actually it was a little more than that)
> follows the WON = rule.
> Chuck
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:09 = PM
>  =20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling
> = rules
>=20
>
>
>   Chuck,
> =
>  =20 What made you put a stop at $44?
>
>
>=20
>   Mike Niemotka , PE
>   Sr. = Principal=20 Engineer
>   Baxter Healthcare = Corporation
>  =20 Route 120 & Wilson Road
>   Round Lake, IL=20 60073
>   Tel (847) 270-4075
>   Fax = (847)=20 270-4525
>   michael_niemotka@baxter.com
>=20
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>           = ;         =20 =
>           = ;           =20 <chucknsc@mindspring.c &nbs= p;   =20
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> Subject:     Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN = and
> selling=20 = rules           &n= bsp;   =20 =
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>           = ;           =20 05/21/2003 03:44=20 PM          =20 =
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>           = ;         =20 =
>           = ;           =20 Please respond=20 = to            = ;=20 =
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>           = ;         =20
>
>
>
>
>   I was in = Garmin at=20 approx $25 and watched it rise
> to $48 (a nearly=20 100%
>   gain!!).  Then as it began to fall, I = put a=20 $44
> stop on it - 8%.  Well, I
>   stopped = out the=20 other day and watched it continue
> to decline thinking=20 I'd
>   done the right thing.  I was awaiting the = 50=20 day
> line at about $39 to see
>   how to = proceed, and=20 then low and behold - it
> bounces back this afternoon=20 on
>   major volume.  It's up to about $44.90 in=20 after
> hours trading.
>
>   Boy, I'm at = a loss=20 about what to do now.  I
> honestly believe GRMN is=20 a
>   great company.  I jumped off the train, and = want
> back on.  But... boy I
>   don't = want to get=20 whipsawed.  The chart isn't
> helping me make a=20 decision.
>   Anyone else been through something like=20 this
> before?
>
>  =20 Thanks...
>   Chuck
>    ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>    From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com
>   =20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>   =20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 PM
>    = [CANSLIM] STOPs and GRMN and selling
> rules
>
>=20
>    While we are still on the subject of=20 trailing
> stops, it can sometimes
>   =20 backfire.
>
>    At one point, I was up = over 20%=20 in GRMN, after
> only a three week time = from
>   =20 purchase.
>     I chose to put in a 15% = trailing=20 stop, ie at
> worst case I would make a = 5%
>   =20 profit if the stop started to fall.  I know some
> would = sell at=20 least a
>    portion of the position at a 20% = gain,=20 but
> because it came so quickly, I
>    = remembered=20 one of WON's rules that said that you
> should hold a stock=20 like
>    that for at  least 8 weeks.  = He also=20 said that
> you should NEVER let a
>   =20 stock
>    that is up 15-20% turn into a loss, so = that=20 is
> why I used a 15% trailer.
> =
>    And=20 then today, I get the e-mail notice that my
> stop loss has=20 been
>    activated, and then I watch GRMN go on = to have=20 a
> 10% swing during the day,
>    which = would=20 leave me at about a 15% gain again.
>
>    = Overall, I still think GRMN is a great company ,
> and am mad = that I=20 got
>    booted out with the stop loss, but I = think=20 this
> is something that everyone
>    has = to deal=20 with if you plan on being
> un-emotional, and using = rules.
>=20
>    So what would everyone else have = done?  Should=20 I
> have had a break even
>   =20 stop
>    loss instead, since I was only up 20% = but=20 it
> happened within the first 3
>   =20 weeks?
>
>    Also, what is everyone's=20 interpretation of WON's
> hold for 8 weeks=20 rule
>    when
>    you get = a high=20 flyer?  Do you limit the loss to
> break even instead,=20 to
>    give
>    it more = leeway for=20 a pullback?
>
>    Thanks
>=20
>    Mike
>
>    = Mike=20 Niemotka , PE
>    Sr. Principal=20 Engineer
>    Baxter Healthcare=20 Corporation
>    Route 120 & Wilson=20 Road
>    Round Lake, IL = 60073
>   =20 Tel (847) 270-4075
>    Fax (847)=20 270-4525
>    michael_niemotka@baxter.com
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>
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How do most of you find teh pivot point on a stock, and
are the any good info sites to get this information.
                                                        Thanks in Advance
 
                                                        Joe clark
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out

Hi Chris,
 
A stock hasn't broken out unless it *closes* above the pivot on >=150% average daily volume. WON suggests, however, that if, intraday, a stock hits the pivot price on projected volume >= 150% ADV, then it makes sense to enter the position. If by day's end it falls back below the pivot, you can either sell it outright, or hold if you wish to take on the risk.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:12 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out

SHFL was a stock discussed a week or two ago.  Today it seems to be breaking out of it's handle.  However, though it is up $1.40 it is $1 below its intraday high.  Seems to be a little resistance at $25.  If it fails to close above the left side of its handle, would this be considered a failed breakout?
 
Chris
--Boundary_(ID_+Xt2nr3LrUwUVcLG8hlFGg)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out and pivot point info Date: 22 May 2003 17:12:02 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C32085.42E7E9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe -=20 I'm no Katherine, but I can quote IBD: The pivot point is the spot where a rising stock faces the final layer = of overhead resistance. Once it passes this threshold, there's less of a = chance it will succumb to downside selling action. It's now free to = break out and hit new highs. Look for the pivot point to come within 5% = to 15% of the stock's old high. To calculate the ideal buy price, add 0.10 point to the highest spot in = the pullback. Back in the days when stock prices were given in = fractions, an eighth of a point, or about 0.13, was added to calculate = the pivot point. However, since stock prices now trade in decimals, = spreads have narrowed and so has the amount - 0.10 - added to calculate = the pivot point. Check out the rest of the article at = http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=3D1104&stat= us=3Darticle&id=3D132267047438732&secure=3D12&show=3D1 In short, the pivot point is $.10 above the highest point in the handle. Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jclark249@comcast.net=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out and pivot point info How do most of you find teh pivot point on a stock, and are the any good info sites to get this information. Thanks in = Advance Joe clark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out Hi Chris, A stock hasn't broken out unless it *closes* above the pivot on = >=3D150% average daily volume. WON suggests, however, that if, intraday, = a stock hits the pivot price on projected volume >=3D 150% ADV, then it = makes sense to enter the position. If by day's end it falls back below = the pivot, you can either sell it outright, or hold if you wish to take = on the risk. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:12 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out SHFL was a stock discussed a week or two ago. Today it seems to = be breaking out of it's handle. However, though it is up $1.40 it is $1 = below its intraday high. Seems to be a little resistance at $25. If it = fails to close above the left side of its handle, would this be = considered a failed breakout? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C32085.42E7E9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe -
 
I'm no Katherine, but I can quote IBD:
 
The pivot point is the spot where a rising stock faces the final = layer of=20 overhead resistance. Once it passes this threshold, there=92s less of a = chance it=20 will succumb to downside selling action. It=92s now free to break out = and hit new=20 highs. Look for the pivot point to come within 5% to 15% of the = stock=92s old=20 high.

To calculate the ideal buy price, add 0.10 point to the highest spot = in the=20 pullback. Back in the days when stock prices were given in fractions, an = eighth=20 of a point, or about 0.13, was added to calculate the pivot point. = However,=20 since stock prices now trade in decimals, spreads have narrowed and so = has the=20 amount - 0.10 - added to calculate the pivot point.

Check out the rest of the article at http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=3D11= 04&status=3Darticle&id=3D132267047438732&secure=3D12&show= =3D1

In short, the pivot point is $.10 above the highest = point in the=20 handle.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jclark249@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 = 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL = Breaking Out=20 and pivot point info

How do most of you find teh pivot point on a = stock,=20 and
are the any good info sites to get this=20 information.
        =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             Thanks in=20 Advance
 
        =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             Joe=20 clark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 = 2:51=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHFL = Breaking=20 Out

Hi Chris,
 
A stock hasn't broken out = unless it=20 *closes* above the pivot on >=3D150% average daily volume. WON = suggests,=20 however, that if, intraday, a stock hits the pivot price on = projected=20 volume >=3D 150% ADV, then it makes sense to enter the position. = If by=20 day's end it falls back below the pivot, you can either sell it = outright, or=20 hold if you wish to take on the risk.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris = Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:12 = PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking=20 Out

SHFL was a stock discussed a week = or two=20 ago.  Today it seems to be breaking out of it's handle.  = However, though it is up $1.40 it is $1 below its intraday = high. =20 Seems to be a little resistance at $25.  If it fails to = close=20 above the left side of its handle, would this be considered a = failed=20 breakout?
 
Chris
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In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 22 May 2003 22:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I have been wondering how much long and how much money are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope this question is not too personal. Don't want exact numbers, just the range. Maybe there is survey of this sort already. If so, a pointer would be appreciated. Duration: --------- 1-6 months (me) 6-12 months 1-2 year 2-5 year 5+ year Capital ------- 1-10K (me) 10-20K 20-50K 50-100K 100+K Just curious. tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 01:06:05 -0700 I'm in the same boat as you. 1-6 months, 1-10K. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:22 PM > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I > have been wondering how much long and how much money > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope this > question is not too personal. Don't want exact > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is survey of > this sort already. If so, a pointer would be > appreciated. > > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K (me) > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K > > Just curious. > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dlawson Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 09:07:21 -0400 Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago with a couple grand. This current bull last Friday I sold my complete margined portfolio for $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I > have been wondering how much long and how much money > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope this > question is not too personal. Don't want exact > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is survey of > this sort already. If so, a pointer would be > appreciated. > > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K (me) > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K > > Just curious. > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 09:20:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3210C.8FC7DC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dlawson=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago with a couple grand. This current bull last Friday I sold my complete margined portfolio for $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Tomas" To: "canslim canslim" Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I > have been wondering how much long and how much money > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope this > question is not too personal. Don't want exact > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is survey of > this sort already. If so, a pointer would be > appreciated. > > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K (me) > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K > > Just curious. > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dlawson=20
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 = AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Investment=20 capital

Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago with a = couple=20 grand. This
current bull last Friday I sold my complete margined = portfolio=20 for
$2500000.00. As of this Monday I've = reentered.
Dave


-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Tomas" <tomas986@yahoo.com>
To: = "canslim=20 canslim" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment=20 capital


> Not sure if this is an appropriate question, = but=20 I
> have been wondering how much long and how much money
> = are you=20 guys/gals investing using CS.  Hope this
> question is not = too=20 personal.  Don't want exact
> numbers, just the = range.  Maybe=20 there is survey of
> this sort already.  If so, a pointer = would=20 be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Duration:
>=20 ---------
> 1-6 months    (me)
> 6-12=20 months
> 1-2 year
> 2-5 year
> 5+ = year
>
>=20 Capital
> -------
> 1-10K     = (me)
>=20 10-20K
> 20-50K
> 50-100K
> 100+K
>
> = Just=20 curious.
> tomas
>
>
>=20 __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The = New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
&= gt;=20 -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; -In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> -"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your email.


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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3210C.8FC7DC70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dave7027 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 13:16:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_59ikjxDEUMip1/9vI8Boeg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sorry , too many 00000's . $250,000.00 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Dreier To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital ----- Original Message ----- From: dlawson To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago with a couple grand. This current bull last Friday I sold my complete margined portfolio for $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas" To: "canslim canslim" Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I > have been wondering how much long and how much money > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope this > question is not too personal. Don't want exact > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is survey of > this sort already. If so, a pointer would be > appreciated. > > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K (me) > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K > > Just curious. > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --Boundary_(ID_59ikjxDEUMip1/9vI8Boeg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Sorry , too many 00000's . $250,000.00
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital

 
----- Original Message -----
From: dlawson
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital

Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago with a couple grand. This
current bull last Friday I sold my complete margined portfolio for
$2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered.
Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas" <tomas986@yahoo.com>
To: "canslim canslim" <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital


> Not sure if this is an appropriate question, but I
> have been wondering how much long and how much money
> are you guys/gals investing using CS.  Hope this
> question is not too personal.  Don't want exact
> numbers, just the range.  Maybe there is survey of
> this sort already.  If so, a pointer would be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Duration:
> ---------
> 1-6 months    (me)
> 6-12 months
> 1-2 year
> 2-5 year
> 5+ year
>
> Capital
> -------
> 1-10K     (me)
> 10-20K
> 20-50K
> 50-100K
> 100+K
>
> Just curious.
> tomas
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
> -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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To: Tomas
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 = 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Investment=20 capital

Sorry 'bout that......
 
Duration:
 1-6 months    
 6-12 months  (me - using CANSLIM method)
 1-2=20 year  
 2-5 year
 5+ year  (me - using other=20 = methods)

 Capital
 -------
 1-10K  =   
=
 10-20K
 20-50K
 50-100K
 100+K =20 (me)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tomas=20
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 = 10:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Investment=20 capital

Chuck, there was no text in your = message...


---=20 Chuck Dreier <chucknsc@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: dlawson
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
>   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 = AM
>  =20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital
>
>=20
>   Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago=20 with
> a couple grand. This
>   current bull = last=20 Friday I sold my complete
> margined portfolio = for
>  =20 $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered.
>  =20 Dave
>
>
>   ----- Original Message = -----=20
>   From: "Tomas" <tomas986@yahoo.com>
>&nbs= p; =20 To: "canslim canslim" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>  =20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM
>   Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 Investment capital
>
>
>   > Not = sure if=20 this is an appropriate question, but
> I
>   = > have=20 been wondering how much long and how much
> = money
>  =20 > are you guys/gals investing using CS.  Hope=20 this
>   > question is not too personal.  = Don't want=20 exact
>   > numbers, just the range.  Maybe = there is=20 survey
> of
>   > this sort already.  = If so, a=20 pointer would be
>   > = appreciated.
>  =20 >
>   >
>   >=20 Duration:
>   > ---------
>   = > 1-6=20 months    (me)
>   > 6-12=20 months
>   > 1-2 year
>   > = 2-5=20 year
>   > 5+ year
>  =20 >
>   > Capital
>   >=20 -------
>   > 1-10K    =20 (me)
>   > 10-20K
>   >=20 20-50K
>   > 50-100K
>   >=20 100+K
>   >
>   > Just=20 curious.
>   > tomas
>  =20 >
>   >
>   >=20 __________________________________
>   > Do you=20 Yahoo!?
>   > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. = Easier.=20 Bingo.
>   > http://search.yahoo.com
> = ; =20 >
>   > -
>   > -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email
> "majordomo@xmission.com"
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3212F.5DB246D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Katona" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 10:44:53 -0700 Tomas, Here are my numbers to your poll. Tim Duration: --------- 1-6 months (me) 6-12 months (me) 1-2 year 2-5 year 5+ year Capital ------- 1-10K 10-20K 20-50K 50-100K 100+K (me) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 23 May 2003 12:56:11 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3212A.AF62B2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV calculation. So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi all, > > I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. It seems to have > pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks good, going down > along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is making new highs at > the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, the weekly chart > also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in the ud volume. > > The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of volume in rhs of the cup. > In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, > except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 23 May 2003 14:26:15 EDT Katherine: I haven't looked at the charts yet. But I just wanted to thank you: seperating long-term bases (of which you need the weekly chart to view), and the right side of that long term base (including the Handle) using a Day chart to view are both not only a useful method of evaluating a stock (wherein you get good perspective of the potential validity or invalidity of the formation) but also a commonsensical (I just wish I had thought of it before) notion that should provide a lot of helpful buy/sell tips. jans In a message dated 5/23/2003 1:56:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 14:53:06 -0400 Duration: --------- 1-6 months (seriously) 6-12 months 1-2 year 2-5 year (fits and starts) 5+ year Capital ------- 1-10K (currently) 10-20K 20-50K =20 50-100K (future -- 4 months from now) 100+K=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Dave, I am still impress :) --- dave7027 wrote: > Sorry , too many 00000's . $250,000.00 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Dreier > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dlawson > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago > with a couple grand. This > current bull last Friday I sold my complete > margined portfolio for > $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, > but I > > have been wondering how much long and how much > money > > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope > this > > question is not too personal. Don't want > exact > > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is > survey of > > this sort already. If so, a pointer would be > > appreciated. > > > > > > Duration: > > --------- > > 1-6 months (me) > > 6-12 months > > 1-2 year > > 2-5 year > > 5+ year > > > > Capital > > ------- > > 1-10K (me) > > 10-20K > > 20-50K > > 50-100K > > 100+K > > > > Just curious. > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Pritish, What is fits and starts? Pardon me if this is a sill question. tomas --- Pritish Shah wrote: > > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (seriously) > 6-12 months > 1-2 year > 2-5 year (fits and starts) > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K (currently) > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K (future -- 4 months from now) > 100+K > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Tim, You have two "me" for 1-6 months and 6-12 months. I am assuming you are at 6-12 months and forgot to take out the "me" for 1-6 months. tomas --- Tim Katona wrote: > Tomas, > Here are my numbers to your poll. > Tim > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months (me) > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K (me) > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > Sorry 'bout that...... > > Duration: > 1-6 months > 6-12 months (me - using CANSLIM method) > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year (me - using other methods) > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K (me) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: chucknsc@mindspring.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > Chuck, there was no text in your message... > > > --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dlawson > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > > > Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago > with > > a couple grand. This > > current bull last Friday I sold my complete > > margined portfolio for > > $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomas" > > To: "canslim canslim" > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > > > > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, > but > > I > > > have been wondering how much long and how > much > > money > > > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope > this > > > question is not too personal. Don't want > exact > > > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is > survey > > of > > > this sort already. If so, a pointer would > be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > Duration: > > > --------- > > > 1-6 months (me) > > > 6-12 months > > > 1-2 year > > > 2-5 year > > > 5+ year > > > > > > Capital > > > ------- > > > 1-10K (me) > > > 10-20K > > > 20-50K > > > 50-100K > > > 100+K > > > > > > Just curious. > > > tomas > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. > Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes > in > > your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Sorry about the previous empty email. I did the same thing Chuck did :). Chuck, can you tell me what other methods you tried, and did it work for you? I guess not if you are trying out CS? Thanks, tomas --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > Sorry 'bout that...... > > Duration: > 1-6 months > 6-12 months (me - using CANSLIM method) > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year (me - using other methods) > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K (me) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: chucknsc@mindspring.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > Chuck, there was no text in your message... > > > --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dlawson > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > > > Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago > with > > a couple grand. This > > current bull last Friday I sold my complete > > margined portfolio for > > $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomas" > > To: "canslim canslim" > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > > > > > > > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, > but > > I > > > have been wondering how much long and how > much > > money > > > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope > this > > > question is not too personal. Don't want > exact > > > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is > survey > > of > > > this sort already. If so, a pointer would > be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > Duration: > > > --------- > > > 1-6 months (me) > > > 6-12 months > > > 1-2 year > > > 2-5 year > > > 5+ year > > > > > > Capital > > > ------- > > > 1-10K (me) > > > 10-20K > > > 20-50K > > > 50-100K > > > 100+K > > > > > > Just curious. > > > tomas > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. > Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes > in > > your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 12:57:31 -0700 (PDT) This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add between $5-$10K capital every year. I understand that there are many factors like - how discipline you are - how diligence you are - how persistent you are - how you learn from your mistake and do post analysis of your trades - and even how lucky you are. But assumption that the investor is decently good on those factors. What is your opinion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Katona" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 12:57:20 -0700 Tomas, Actually I'm 1-12 months so I checked both 1-6 and 6-12. Tim -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:45 PM Tim, You have two "me" for 1-6 months and 6-12 months. I am assuming you are at 6-12 months and forgot to take out the "me" for 1-6 months. tomas --- Tim Katona wrote: > Tomas, > Here are my numbers to your poll. > Tim > > Duration: > --------- > 1-6 months (me) > 6-12 months (me) > 1-2 year > 2-5 year > 5+ year > > Capital > ------- > 1-10K > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K (me) > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 13:27:49 -0700 Tomas - I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been looking into the same question recently. By the simple rules of compound interest, here's how it breaks down: With a principal of $10000, you need to invest $10000 every year, and get an average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million by the time you're 40. I guess it all just depends on how good you are. I have a spreadsheet that I found/tweaked where you can enter your own Principal, Interest Rate, and Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. Lemme know if anyone wants it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Date: 23 May 2003 16:32:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C32148.F617C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas Mutual Funds... but got tired of the managers making all those fees as = their funds went down and down following March 2000 (I had been a 'buy = and hold' investor since that was what I was always led to believe). = Then I tried buying stocks without any rhyme or reason, but since it was = a down market I kept loosing more and more (especially since I didn't = have any 7-8% rule for losses). One day I picked up a copy of IBD and = continued to do so for several weeks or months. Then I subscribed to = IBD, read WON's HTMMIS and it made perfect sense to me. Now I'd say = most everything I try has some element of CANSLIM in it. I am still a = learning student. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas=20 To: canslim canslim=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital Sorry about the previous empty email. I did the same thing Chuck did :). Chuck, can you tell me what other methods you tried, and did it work for you? I guess not if you are trying out CS? =20 Thanks, tomas --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > Sorry 'bout that...... >=20 > Duration: > 1-6 months =20 > 6-12 months (me - using CANSLIM method) > 1-2 year =20 > 2-5 year > 5+ year (me - using other methods) >=20 > Capital > ------- > 1-10K =20 > 10-20K > 20-50K > 50-100K > 100+K (me) >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Tomas=20 > To: chucknsc@mindspring.com=20 > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital >=20 >=20 > Chuck, there was no text in your message... >=20 >=20 > --- Chuck Dreier wrote: > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: dlawson=20 > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > >=20 > >=20 > > Doesn't really matter I started 15 years ago > with > > a couple grand. This > > current bull last Friday I sold my complete > > margined portfolio for > > $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've reentered. > > Dave > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Tomas" > > To: "canslim canslim" > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment capital > >=20 > >=20 > > > Not sure if this is an appropriate question, > but > > I > > > have been wondering how much long and how > much > > money > > > are you guys/gals investing using CS. Hope > this > > > question is not too personal. Don't want > exact > > > numbers, just the range. Maybe there is > survey > > of > > > this sort already. If so, a pointer would > be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > Duration: > > > --------- > > > 1-6 months (me) > > > 6-12 months > > > 1-2 year > > > 2-5 year > > > 5+ year > > > > > > Capital > > > ------- > > > 1-10K (me) > > > 10-20K > > > 20-50K > > > 50-100K > > > 100+K > > > > > > Just curious. > > > tomas > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. > Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes > in > > your email. > >=20 > >=20 > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Tomas
Mutual Funds... but got tired of the = managers=20 making all those fees as their funds went down and down following March = 2000 (I=20 had been a 'buy and hold' investor since that was what I was always led = to=20 believe).  Then I tried buying stocks without any rhyme or reason, = but=20 since it was a down market I kept loosing more and more (especially = since I=20 didn't have any 7-8% rule for losses).  One day I picked up a copy = of IBD=20 and continued to do so for several weeks or months.  Then I = subscribed=20 to IBD, read WON's HTMMIS and it made perfect sense to me.  = Now I'd=20 say most everything I try has some element of CANSLIM in it.  = I am=20 still a learning student.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tomas
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:48 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Investment=20 capital

Sorry about the previous empty email.  I did the=20 same
thing Chuck did :).

Chuck, can you tell me what other = methods=20 you tried,
and did it work for you?  I guess not if you = are
trying=20 out CS? 


Thanks,
tomas

--- Chuck Dreier = <chucknsc@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
> Sorry 'bout that......
>
> = Duration:
> =20 1-6 months   
>  6-12 months  (me - = using=20 CANSLIM method)
>  1-2 year 
>  2-5=20 year
>  5+ year  (me - using other methods)
>=20
>  Capital
>  -------
> =20 1-10K   
>  10-20K
> =20 20-50K
>  50-100K
>  100+K  (me)
>=20
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   = Tomas
>   To: chucknsc@mindspring.com=20
>   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:43 = AM
>  =20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investment capital
>
>=20
>   Chuck, there was no text in your = message...
>=20
>
>   --- Chuck Dreier <chucknsc@mindspring.com>=20 wrote:
>   >
>   >   = -----=20 Original Message -----
>   >   From: = dlawson=20
>   >   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
>   >   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:07=20 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Investment=20 capital
>   >
>   >=20
>   >   Doesn't really matter I started = 15 years=20 ago
> with
>   > a couple grand.=20 This
>   >   current bull last Friday I = sold my=20 complete
>   > margined portfolio = for
>  =20 >   $2500000.00. As of this Monday I've=20 reentered.
>   >   = Dave
>   >=20
>   >
>   >   ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>   >   From: "Tomas" = <tomas986@yahoo.com>
>&nbs= p; =20 >   To: "canslim canslim"
> <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>  =20 >   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 = AM
>  =20 >   Subject: [CANSLIM] Investment = capital
>  =20 >
>   >
>   >   = > Not=20 sure if this is an appropriate question,
> = but
>   >=20 I
>   >   > have been wondering how = much long=20 and how
> much
>   > = money
>  =20 >   > are you guys/gals investing using CS.  = Hope
>=20 this
>   >   > question is not too=20 personal.  Don't want
> exact
>   = >  =20 > numbers, just the range.  Maybe there is
>=20 survey
>   > of
>   = >   >=20 this sort already.  If so, a pointer would
> = be
>  =20 >   > appreciated.
>   = >  =20 >
>   >   >
>  =20 >   > Duration:
>   >   = >=20 ---------
>   >   > 1-6=20 months    (me)
>   >   = > 6-12=20 months
>   >   > 1-2 = year
>  =20 >   > 2-5 year
>   >   = > 5+=20 year
>   >   >
>  =20 >   > Capital
>   >   = >=20 -------
>   >   >=20 1-10K     (me)
>   = >   >=20 10-20K
>   >   > = 20-50K
>  =20 >   > 50-100K
>   >   = >=20 100+K
>   >   >
>  =20 >   > Just curious.
>   = >   >=20 tomas
>   >   >
>  =20 >   >
>   >   >=20 __________________________________
>   = >   >=20 Do you Yahoo!?
>   >   > The New = Yahoo! Search=20 - Faster. Easier.
> Bingo.
>   >   = > http://search.yahoo.com
> = ; =20 >   >
>   >   >=20 -
>   >   > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email
>   > "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;  =20 >   > -In the email body, write "subscribe
> = canslim"=20 or
>   >   > -"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes
> in
>   > your=20 email.
>   >
>   > =
>  =20 >   -
>   >   -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email
>   > "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;  =20 >   -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim"
> = or
>   >   -"unsubscribe canslim".  = Do not=20 use quotes in
> your
>   > = email.
>  =20 >
>
>
>  =20 __________________________________
>   Do you=20 Yahoo!?
>   The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier.=20 Bingo.
>   http://search.yahoo.com
>=20


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Do you = Yahoo!?
The New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C32148.F617C260-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KLall1112@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 16:38:13 EDT --part1_1a3.152b7e99.2bffe0b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris: I will be interested in your spreadsheet. Kris klall1112@aol.com --part1_1a3.152b7e99.2bffe0b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris:

I will be interested in your spreadsheet.


Kris

klall1112@aol.com --part1_1a3.152b7e99.2bffe0b5_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Lobatto" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 16:48:18 -0400 Tomas, This would be an over 40% annualized return. To be blunt, it's unrealistic and that's assuming that you're paying no taxes at all on this money while it's compounding. This kind of return would make Buffet look like a 3rd rate investor in comparison! If you can grow it to 2M by the time you're 55, consider yourself fortunate! This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Chris, I also did the calculation. I guess the question is if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when average out 10 years. --- Chris Jones wrote: > Tomas - > I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been > looking into the same > question recently. By the simple rules of compound > interest, here's how it > breaks down: > With a principal of $10000, you need to invest > $10000 every year, and get an > average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million by > the time you're 40. > > I guess it all just depends on how good you are. I > have a spreadsheet that > I found/tweaked where you can enter your own > Principal, Interest Rate, and > Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. Lemme > know if anyone wants > it. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Taggart" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 15:19:38 -0600 There is no investment/trading plan that gets that high a return that you can plan on. If you want to be optimistic go ahead and plug 20-25% into your model to see how long it will take. If you want to be realistic go ahead and plug in something in the range of 10-15%. Of course to be conservative just do 10%. And remember the models assume that you already know what you are doing and have achieved those results for at least a few years already. If the best you have ever done is 12% then you cant plug in 40% for your projected ROR. If on the other hand you are already an excellent trader and have achieved 25%+ the past few years then you can put in a higher number. David Taggart -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:59 PM Chris, I also did the calculation. I guess the question is if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when average out 10 years. --- Chris Jones wrote: > Tomas - > I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been > looking into the same > question recently. By the simple rules of compound > interest, here's how it > breaks down: > With a principal of $10000, you need to invest > $10000 every year, and get an > average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million by > the time you're 40. > > I guess it all just depends on how good you are. I > have a spreadsheet that > I found/tweaked where you can enter your own > Principal, Interest Rate, and > Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. Lemme > know if anyone wants > it. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) I would like to hear more inputs from other CS'ers, but I just want to make a quick comment on David's reply. Let's assume that he/she is a good CS'er (which I am not). Also, let's try to not include too much factors into the equation (tax, etc...). I want to simplify things so that I can get an straight answer versus it depends on this, it depends on that, you have to consider this, you have to consider that. To sum up David's input, using CS, you will be optimistic if you can get 20-25% return. Other members inputs will be much appreciated. Thanks, tomas --- David Taggart wrote: > There is no investment/trading plan that gets that > high a return that you > can plan on. If you want to be optimistic go ahead > and plug 20-25% into > your model to see how long it will take. If you > want to be realistic go > ahead and plug in something in the range of 10-15%. > Of course to be > conservative just do 10%. And remember the models > assume that you already > know what you are doing and have achieved those > results for at least a few > years already. If the best you have ever done is > 12% then you cant plug in > 40% for your projected ROR. If on the other hand > you are already an > excellent trader and have achieved 25%+ the past few > years then you can put > in a higher number. > > David Taggart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:59 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > Chris, > > I also did the calculation. I guess the question is > if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when > average out 10 years. > > > --- Chris Jones wrote: > > Tomas - > > I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been > > looking into the same > > question recently. By the simple rules of > compound > > interest, here's how it > > breaks down: > > With a principal of $10000, you need to invest > > $10000 every year, and get an > > average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million > by > > the time you're 40. > > > > I guess it all just depends on how good you are. > I > > have a spreadsheet that > > I found/tweaked where you can enter your own > > Principal, Interest Rate, and > > Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. > Lemme > > know if anyone wants > > it. > > > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomas" > > To: "canslim canslim" > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > > is to > > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > > goal? > > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K > and > > add > > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > > - how discipline you are > > > - how diligence you are > > > - how persistent you are > > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > > do post analysis of your trades > > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently > good > > on > > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > tomas > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > Tomas, > > This would be an over 40% annualized return. To be > blunt, it's unrealistic > and that's assuming that you're paying no taxes at > all on this money while > it's compounding. This kind of return would make > Buffet look like a 3rd rate > investor in comparison! Jonathan, I am not an expert of Warren Buffet's investment career (have not read the book yet), but I have hear that he is one of the best INVESTOR. His company's market cap currently is over $100B. If you are saying that Buffet should consider himself lucky if he makes 40% return per year, why is he considered to be one of the best investors? How did he make all that money? You have to make more than 40% return to become a billion(assuming you do not have a billion to invest in the first place) Maybe he is a GREAT businessman but not a good investor? Just trying to understand. Consider these questions as newbie questions. tomas > from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Dreier" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 18:47:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3215B.D0212700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas, Remember that W.B. was working with OPM (other people's money). Besides = being a very smart trader in what may have been a very different = investing environment, he began with a much larger base. Let's say you = had 100 people coming to the table with $10,000 each - the beginning = pool would be $1 million. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > Tomas, >=20 > This would be an over 40% annualized return. To be > blunt, it's unrealistic > and that's assuming that you're paying no taxes at > all on this money while > it's compounding. This kind of return would make > Buffet look like a 3rd rate > investor in comparison! Jonathan, I am not an expert of Warren Buffet's investment career (have not read the book yet), but I have hear that he is one of the best INVESTOR. His company's market cap currently is over $100B. If you are saying that Buffet should consider himself lucky if he makes 40% return per year, why is he considered to be one of the best investors? How did he make all that money?=20 You have to make more than 40% return to become a billion(assuming you do not have a billion to invest in the first place) Maybe he is a GREAT businessman but not a good investor? Just trying to understand. Consider these questions as newbie questions. tomas > from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? >=20 >=20 > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Tomas,
 
Remember that W.B. was working with OPM = (other=20 people's money).  Besides being a very smart trader in what may = have been a=20 very different investing environment, he began with a much = larger=20 base.  Let's say you had 100 people coming to the table with = $10,000=20 each - the beginning pool would be $1 million.
 
Chuck
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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:31 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Reasonable=20 Goal?



> Tomas,
>
> This would be an = over 40%=20 annualized return. To be
> blunt, it's unrealistic
> and = that's=20 assuming that you're paying no taxes at
> all on this money=20 while
> it's compounding. This kind of return would make
> = Buffet=20 look like a 3rd rate
> investor in=20 comparison!


Jonathan,

I am not an expert of Warren = Buffet's=20 investment
career (have not read the book yet), but I have = hear
that he=20 is one of the best INVESTOR.  His company's
market cap = currently is=20 over $100B.  If you are saying
that Buffet should consider = himself=20 lucky if he makes
40% return per year, why is he considered to be = one=20 of
the best investors?  How did he make all that money? =
You have=20 to make more than 40% return to become a
billion(assuming you do = not have a=20 billion to invest
in the first place) Maybe he is a GREAT=20 businessman
but not a good investor?

Just trying to=20 understand.  Consider these questions
as newbie=20 questions.

tomas





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> = "canslim canslim" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] = Reasonable=20 Goal?
>
>
> > This question is for the senior=20 CS'ers.  If an
> > investor is 29 years old right now, = and his=20 goal
> is to
> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a=20 reasonable
> goal?
> > The assumption is that he will = start=20 with $10K and
> add
> > between $5-$10K capital every=20 year.
> >
> > I understand that there are many = factors=20 like
> > - how discipline you are
> > - how = diligence you=20 are
> > - how persistent you are
> > - how you learn = from=20 your mistake and
> >   do post analysis of your=20 trades
> > - and even how lucky you are.
> >
> = >=20 But assumption that the investor is decently good
> on
> = >=20 those factors.  What is your opinion?
> >
> >=20 Thanks,
> > tomas
> >
> >
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3215B.D0212700-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rolf Hertenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 18:00:16 -0600 I think it does depend very much on this and that. Taxes are somewhat easy to add to the calculation. Unknowns like future inflation (how much will the nest egg really buy in the future?) or the general market (xx% might be easy in a bull market like the 1990s but what if the market's fairly flat for a decade?) muddle projections. If you need a 40% return for the next 11 years, try to do the best you can and re-evalute in a couple of years. Not sure more can be done. Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > Also, let's try to not include too much factors into > the equation (tax, etc...). I want to simplify things > so that I can get an straight answer versus it depends > on this, it depends on that, you have to consider > this, you have to consider that. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Lobatto" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 23 May 2003 22:31:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C3217B.01DB7740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Additionally, he's been doing it for far more than 11 years (perhaps 40 = years?) The magic of compounding gets far more impressive the longer you = can maintain a high return. This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chuck Dreier=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Tomas, Remember that W.B. was working with OPM (other people's money). = Besides being a very smart trader in what may have been a very different = investing environment, he began with a much larger base. Let's say you = had 100 people coming to the table with $10,000 each - the beginning = pool would be $1 million. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > Tomas, >=20 > This would be an over 40% annualized return. To be > blunt, it's unrealistic > and that's assuming that you're paying no taxes at > all on this money while > it's compounding. This kind of return would make > Buffet look like a 3rd rate > investor in comparison! Jonathan, I am not an expert of Warren Buffet's investment career (have not read the book yet), but I have hear that he is one of the best INVESTOR. His company's market cap currently is over $100B. If you are saying that Buffet should consider himself lucky if he makes 40% return per year, why is he considered to be one of the best investors? How did he make all that money?=20 You have to make more than 40% return to become a billion(assuming you do not have a billion to invest in the first place) Maybe he is a GREAT businessman but not a good investor? Just trying to understand. Consider these questions as newbie questions. tomas > from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? >=20 >=20 > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Tomas,
 
Remember that W.B. was working with = OPM (other=20 people's money).  Besides being a very smart trader in what may = have been=20 a very different investing environment, he began with a = much=20 larger base.  Let's say you had 100 people coming to the = table with=20 $10,000 each - the beginning pool would be $1 million.
 
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tomas=20
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 = 6:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Reasonable=20 Goal?



> Tomas,
>
> This would be an = over=20 40% annualized return. To be
> blunt, it's unrealistic
> = and=20 that's assuming that you're paying no taxes at
> all on this = money=20 while
> it's compounding. This kind of return would = make
>=20 Buffet look like a 3rd rate
> investor in=20 comparison!


Jonathan,

I am not an expert of Warren = Buffet's investment
career (have not read the book yet), but I = have=20 hear
that he is one of the best INVESTOR.  His = company's
market=20 cap currently is over $100B.  If you are saying
that Buffet = should=20 consider himself lucky if he makes
40% return per year, why is he = considered to be one of
the best investors?  How did he make = all=20 that money?
You have to make more than 40% return to become=20 a
billion(assuming you do not have a billion to invest
in the = first=20 place) Maybe he is a GREAT businessman
but not a good=20 investor?

Just trying to understand.  Consider these=20 questions
as newbie = questions.

tomas





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> = "canslim canslim" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:57 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] = Reasonable=20 Goal?
>
>
> > This question is for the senior = CS'ers.  If an
> > investor is 29 years old right now, = and his=20 goal
> is to
> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a=20 reasonable
> goal?
> > The assumption is that he will = start=20 with $10K and
> add
> > between $5-$10K capital every = year.
> >
> > I understand that there are many = factors=20 like
> > - how discipline you are
> > - how = diligence you=20 are
> > - how persistent you are
> > - how you = learn from=20 your mistake and
> >   do post analysis of your=20 trades
> > - and even how lucky you are.
> = >
> >=20 But assumption that the investor is decently good
> on
> = >=20 those factors.  What is your opinion?
> >
> > = Thanks,
> > tomas
> >
> >
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Looks like it's going > sideway, swallowing the recent gains. > > As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it is > a little too late. The left side of cup is at 1/30. > Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at $11.95. > The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up that > day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure if > that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be 5/14 at > $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good since it > did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, > currently, it is extended from the base for a buy > point. > > The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. The > only thing I would worry about is the industry > strength. That industry is definitely not one of the > better ones. > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 > > --- david rossing wrote: > > I was just wondering about opinions on two stocks. > > > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > > been going up for a > > while. It still looks like good earnings and > > revenue growth. In the > > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > > increasing volume. On > > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > > action a good sell > > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what looks > > like a CWH to me. > > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS line is > > not quite at new > > highs in the breakout over the past two days and the > > industry doesn't > > look great. > > > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > > Dave > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I don't know a lot about options, so I am trying to figure out if they are useful here, and could help set stop loss limits, though not necessarily at an 8% price drop. Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 24 May 2003 12:12:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_n0n2BRu2j/vEpaTGP44e4A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Katherine. As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I guess that's to be expected in a proper handle given that the price should be falling. would the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming the handle is forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that make sense? ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV calculation. So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi all, I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in the ud volume. The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 24 May 2003 11:35:44 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C321E8.9D31C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a strong stock will most often see the RSLine stay flat or (preferrably) rise even as price is falling. That occurs because, despite the pullback, the price action *relative to the market as a whole* is still showing superiority. For example, if the price of stock A is falling at a *slower rate* than the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. That's why you can have a stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling on the left side of the cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make new highs, even as the stock's price is drifting down within the handle (which is ideally what you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get overly concerned about a minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as long as the overall upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That can happen when the market as a whole is very strong. What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. This will happen in ill formed bases and in stocks that are currently rising after a previous breakout. If the price continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly South, that's a warning sign the move is running out of gas. This is the same reasoning you would use when looking for the "wedging" action discussed here on the list previously. That is, if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Thanks Katherine. > > As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I guess that's to be > expected in a proper handle given that the price should be falling. would > the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming the handle is > forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect the rsline and > rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that make sense? > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi Roger, > > I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base > is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when > looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome > about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the > last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very > high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the > calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much > of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is > more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the > bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume > reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside > the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV > calculation. > > So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by > looking at the weekly action: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG > > and a close up of the action on the right side of the base > and handle: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi all, > > I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. > It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks > good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is > making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, > the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in > the ud volume. > > The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of > volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down > during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a > big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 24 May 2003 12:57:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IujVIxPVoCvGVyMH7HqU2w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks again Katherine. In the case of APPX, I stock which I purchased at 26.99$ as it broke out on 05-14, and which I still hold, I have been looking for any signs of whether I should get out. although the rsrank is great and the rsline is making new all-time highs, it has definitely been wedging since the breakout. Do you consider the rsline action outweighs the wedge or not? Please feel free not to answer this question given my vested interest in APPX. Note that, given I am very new at this, I will, much more than likely, invoke the take-your-20%-profit-and-run rule with this one. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:36 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a strong stock will most often see the RSLine stay flat or (preferrably) rise even as price is falling. That occurs because, despite the pullback, the price action *relative to the market as a whole* is still showing superiority. For example, if the price of stock A is falling at a *slower rate* than the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. That's why you can have a stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling on the left side of the cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make new highs, even as the stock's price is drifting down within the handle (which is ideally what you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get overly concerned about a minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as long as the overall upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That can happen when the market as a whole is very strong. What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. This will happen in ill formed bases and in stocks that are currently rising after a previous breakout. If the price continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly South, that's a warning sign the move is running out of gas. This is the same reasoning you would use when looking for the "wedging" action discussed here on the list previously. That is, if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Thanks Katherine. As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I guess that's to be expected in a proper handle given that the price should be falling. would the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming the handle is forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that make sense? ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV calculation. So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi all, I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in the ud volume. The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 24 May 2003 11:11:29 -0700 Hi Tomas: I'll be the exception here and say that I believe that 40% a year is a reasonable goal (particularly up until you have about $600,000 - IMHO, outsized returns are a lot easier with smaller amounts of money) if you are extremely disciplined about: * cutting losses very early * REALLY letting your winners run * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You don't have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and 30% runs in the indices). NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all seem to fly in the face of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely essential to achieve outsized gains. My personal goals are to double every two years (about 42% per year), and I have been achieving it. As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 years ago this weekend, and is up about 118% to date: http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/FundPublicPa ge?source=DoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi (and this was during an ugly market, and with an average of 30% cash, and no shorting allowed, and using strict SEC mutual fund asset allocation rules) As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound the gains is taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the US. Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up 80-200%. If you slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts happened, you would easily be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months. IMHO, with an unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think that somewhere in the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where these kind of gains become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional money manager, who must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living from fees, it really is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for the individual investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their 'money making universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of available equities, so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of gains. Consider SSYS and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during the last 2 months. Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when the rally started (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the average probably under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, you probably couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a huge impact on you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions for yourself, these two stocks alone could have netted you 20-30%. Cheers, Ian Marketocracy has 100+ funds that were up 30% in the last 30 days alone: http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/RankingViewP age?date=20030516&subject=30Days%20Rankings%2081%20%2D%20100 IMHO, that is only possible because of the small position sizes. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 24 May 2003 11:39:32 -0700 Tomas: By my calculations, if you added the maximum $10,000 every year, and made 40% per year, and PAID NO TAXES, at the end of 12 years you would have $1,959,000. At the midpoint, after 6 years, you would have $238,000. In Canada, we have a tax-sheltered retirement account that could be used to do this. But you would have to wait an extra 2 1/2 years (total of 14 1/2) in order to double it again, so that it could be withdrawn at a 50% tax rate. That would be a way the optimal way to deal with the taxes - shelter them as they compound, and pay them at the end, or slowly as the money is withdrawn. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 24 May 2003 13:13:11 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01C321F6.39DB7160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, and how much time would be required on a daily basis? a. beginning investor b. intermediate investor c. trained investor d. expert investor Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Hi Tomas: I'll be the exception here and say that I believe that 40% a year is a reasonable goal (particularly up until you have about $600,000 - IMHO, outsized returns are a lot easier with smaller amounts of money) if = you are extremely disciplined about: * cutting losses very early * REALLY letting your winners run * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You = don't have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and = 30% runs in the indices). NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all seem to fly in the = face of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely essential to = achieve outsized gains. My personal goals are to double every two years (about 42% per year), = and I have been achieving it. As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 = years ago this weekend, and is up about 118% to date: = http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/FundPubli= cPa ge?source=3DDoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi (and this was during an ugly = market, and with an average of 30% cash, and no shorting allowed, and using strict = SEC mutual fund asset allocation rules) As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound the gains is taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the US. Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up 80-200%. = If you slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts happened, you would = easily be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months. IMHO, with an unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think = that somewhere in the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where = these kind of gains become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional = money manager, who must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living = from fees, it really is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for = the individual investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their 'money making universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of available equities, so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of = gains. Consider SSYS and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during = the last 2 months. Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when = the rally started (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the = average probably under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, = you probably couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a = huge impact on you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions = for yourself, these two stocks alone could have netted you 20-30%. Cheers, Ian Marketocracy has 100+ funds that were up 30% in the last 30 days = alone: = http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/RankingVi= ewP age?date=3D20030516&subject=3D30Days%20Rankings%2081%20%2D%20100 IMHO, that is only possible because of the small position sizes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomas To: canslim canslim Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01C321F6.39DB7160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ian, and how much time would be = required on a=20 daily basis?
a. beginning investor
b. intermediate investor
c. trained investor
d. expert investor
 
Thanks,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 = 1:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Reasonable=20 Goal?

Hi Tomas:

I'll be the exception here and say = that I=20 believe that 40% a year is a
reasonable goal (particularly up until = you=20 have about $600,000 - IMHO,
outsized returns are a lot easier with = smaller=20 amounts of money) if you are
extremely disciplined about:
* = cutting=20 losses very early
* REALLY letting your winners run
* committed = to=20 buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You don't
have to = believe=20 in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to
understand that = most of=20 these rallies are good for about 2 months and 30%
runs in the=20 indices).

NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all = seem to=20 fly in the face
of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely=20 essential to achieve
outsized gains.


My personal goals = are to=20 double every two years (about 42% per year), and I
have been = achieving it.=20 As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 years
ago this = weekend, and is=20 up about 118% to date:
http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa= /wa/FundPublicPa
ge?source=3DDoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi=20 (and this was during an ugly market, and
with an average of 30% = cash, and=20 no shorting allowed, and using strict SEC
mutual fund asset = allocation=20 rules)

As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound = the=20 gains is
taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the=20 US.

Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up = 80-200%. If you
slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts = happened,=20 you would easily
be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months.

IMHO, = with an=20 unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think = that
somewhere in=20 the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where these
kind of = gains=20 become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional = money
manager, who=20 must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living from
fees, = it really=20 is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for the
individual = investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their
'money = making=20 universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of
available = equities,=20 so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of = gains.

Consider SSYS=20 and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during the last
2 = months.=20 Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when the
rally = started=20 (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the = average
probably=20 under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, = you
probably=20 couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a = huge
impact on=20 you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions = for
yourself,=20 these two stocks alone could have netted you=20 20-30%.


Cheers,

Ian


Marketocracy has 100+ = funds=20 that were up 30% in the last 30 days alone:
http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa= /wa/RankingViewP
age?date=3D20030516&subject=3D30Days%20Rankin= gs%2081%20%2D%20100
IMHO,=20 that is only possible because of the small position=20 sizes.








----- Original Message=20 -----
From: Tomas <tomas986@yahoo.com>
To: = canslim=20 canslim <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable=20 Goal?


> This question is for the senior CS'ers.  If = an
> investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is = to
> make=20 $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal?
> The assumption = is that=20 he will start with $10K and add
> between $5-$10K capital every=20 year.
>
> I understand that there are many factors = like
> -=20 how discipline you are
> - how diligence you are
> - how=20 persistent you are
> - how you learn from your mistake=20 and
>   do post analysis of your trades
> - and = even how=20 lucky you are.
>
> But assumption that the investor is = decently=20 good on
> those factors.  What is your = opinion?
>
>=20 Thanks,
> tomas
>
>
>=20 __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The = New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
&= gt;=20 -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; -In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> -"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your email.


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01C321F6.39DB7160-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Date: 24 May 2003 16:36:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C32212.A3ED27D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, APPX is another one of those cases where you have a better perspective on the action since the breakout by using a weekly chart: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPXWkly052303.JPG It's hard not to have a situation where price declines a bit since the breakout, because that day, the volume was 150%+ of average. Subsequent days can still be on respectable volume, but viewed in contrast to the big breakout day, might give the impression of wedging action. In that case, you want to ask whether the action, in general, is doing what you'd expect. Are up days on high volume and down days on low volume? Is there a significant decrease in volume on up days in comparison to the beginning of the run or is it still respectibly high? Is the price churning (very little upward price movement on high volume)? Etc. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPX052303.JPG That doesn't mean APPX won't flash warning signs in the near future, but right now it looks pretty healthy. That also shouldn't affect your profit taking plan in any way. If you've chosen to follow the 20%-take-it-and-run rule, then you should absolutely stick to your plan. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:58 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Thanks again Katherine. > > In the case of APPX, I stock which I purchased at 26.99$ as it broke out > on 05-14, and which I still hold, I have been looking for any signs of > whether I should get out. although the rsrank is great and the rsline is > making new all-time highs, it has definitely been wedging since the > breakout. Do you consider the rsline action outweighs the wedge or not? > Please feel free not to answer this question given my vested interest in > APPX. > > Note that, given I am very new at this, I will, much more than likely, > invoke the take-your-20%-profit-and-run rule with this one. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:36 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi Roger, > > Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a strong stock > will most often see the RSLine stay flat or (preferrably) rise even as > price is falling. That occurs because, despite the pullback, the price > action *relative to the market as a whole* is still showing superiority. > For example, if the price of stock A is falling at a *slower rate* than > the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. That's why you can have a > stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling on the left side of the > cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make new highs, even as the > stock's price is drifting down within the handle (which is ideally what > you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get overly concerned about a > minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as long as the overall > upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That can happen when the market > as a whole is very strong. > > What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked > negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price > action in the stock. This will happen in ill formed bases and in stocks > that are currently rising after a previous breakout. If the price > continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly South, that's a warning > sign the move is running out of gas. This is the same reasoning you would > use when looking for the "wedging" action discussed here on the list > previously. That is, if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that > divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the > likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see > volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Thanks Katherine. > > As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I > guess that's to be expected in a proper handle given that the price should > be falling. would the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming > the handle is forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect > the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that > make sense? > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi Roger, > > I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where > the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective > when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome > about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the > last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very > high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the > calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much > of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is > more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the > bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume > reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside > the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV > calculation. > > So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective > by looking at the weekly action: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG > > and a close up of the action on the right side of > the base and handle: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > Hi all, > > I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. > It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks > good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is > making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, > the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in > the ud volume. > > The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of > volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down > during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a > big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 24 May 2003 17:06:41 -0500 Hi Dave, On STCR, I wouldn't agree the breakout was on 5/6. It's easier to demonstrate by looking first at the weekly chart, where you can see the last bit of action on the right side of the cup and then the 1 week handle. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCRWkly052303.JPG Here's a close-up of the daily action in the cup, showing when the pivot formed to start the handle and the subsequent breakout on 5/15: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCR052303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of david rossing Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM Tomas, Thanks for the reply. I've been holding USNA for a while now. I guess i'll hold a little longer and see if it goes on again from here. For STCR, I was actually looking at a pivot on 5/6 of 12.3. Any thoughts on what is the "right" pivot here? I bought on the breakout past that before I sent my questions last week. Dave --- Tomas wrote: > Dave, > > USNA fundies looks good (it's on my watchlist). The > charts looks good. If you have it already, I don't > see any reason to sell yet. Looks like it's going > sideway, swallowing the recent gains. > > As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it is > a little too late. The left side of cup is at 1/30. > Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at $11.95. > The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up that > day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure if > that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be 5/14 at > $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good since it > did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, > currently, it is extended from the base for a buy > point. > > The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. The > only thing I would worry about is the industry > strength. That industry is definitely not one of the > better ones. > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 > > --- david rossing wrote: > > I was just wondering about opinions on two stocks. > > > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > > been going up for a > > while. It still looks like good earnings and > > revenue growth. In the > > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > > increasing volume. On > > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > > action a good sell > > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what looks > > like a CWH to me. > > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS line is > > not quite at new > > highs in the breakout over the past two days and the > > industry doesn't > > look great. > > > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > > Dave > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rolf Hertenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 24 May 2003 16:11:30 -0600 Hi Ian - I like your response better than mine - much more optimistic. Following up on Gene's question, approximately how much time do you spend (daily, weekly, ??) to achieve those gains? If this is too personal a question, please say so. For me, discipline seems to be a function of time. That is, the more time I have available, the more disciplined my trading becomes. When other demands on my time make me less focused, I tend to make stupid mistakes. Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Tomas: > > I'll be the exception here and say that I believe that 40% a year is a > reasonable goal (particularly up until you have about $600,000 - IMHO, > outsized returns are a lot easier with smaller amounts of money) if you are > extremely disciplined about: > * cutting losses very early > * REALLY letting your winners run > * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You don't > have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to > understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and 30% > runs in the indices). > > NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all seem to fly in the face > of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely essential to achieve > outsized gains. > > > My personal goals are to double every two years (about 42% per year), and I > have been achieving it. As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 years > ago this weekend, and is up about 118% to date: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/FundPublicPa > ge?source=DoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi (and this was during an ugly market, and > with an average of 30% cash, and no shorting allowed, and using strict SEC > mutual fund asset allocation rules) > > As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound the gains is > taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the US. > > Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up 80-200%. If you > slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts happened, you would easily > be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months. > > IMHO, with an unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think that > somewhere in the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where these > kind of gains become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional money > manager, who must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living from > fees, it really is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for the > individual investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their > 'money making universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of > available equities, so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of gains. > > Consider SSYS and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during the last > 2 months. Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when the > rally started (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the average > probably under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, you > probably couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a huge > impact on you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions for > yourself, these two stocks alone could have netted you 20-30%. > > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > Marketocracy has 100+ funds that were up 30% in the last 30 days alone: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/RankingViewP > age?date=20030516&subject=30Days%20Rankings%2081%20%2D%20100 > IMHO, that is only possible because of the small position sizes. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: canslim canslim > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Date: 24 May 2003 19:22:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KwGU9xKco6+2t6/7DRl31A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Katherine, As always, thank you very much for your commentary. One thing I have heard very much is that you should have a profit taking plan in place *before* you buy a stock. In this case, my plan was to sell if it reached 20% profit, so I am going to stick with this plan. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:37 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Hi Roger, APPX is another one of those cases where you have a better perspective on the action since the breakout by using a weekly chart: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPXWkly052303.JPG It's hard not to have a situation where price declines a bit since the breakout, because that day, the volume was 150%+ of average. Subsequent days can still be on respectable volume, but viewed in contrast to the big breakout day, might give the impression of wedging action. In that case, you want to ask whether the action, in general, is doing what you'd expect. Are up days on high volume and down days on low volume? Is there a significant decrease in volume on up days in comparison to the beginning of the run or is it still respectibly high? Is the price churning (very little upward price movement on high volume)? Etc. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPX052303.JPG That doesn't mean APPX won't flash warning signs in the near future, but right now it looks pretty healthy. That also shouldn't affect your profit taking plan in any way. If you've chosen to follow the 20%-take-it-and-run rule, then you should absolutely stick to your plan. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:58 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Thanks again Katherine. In the case of APPX, I stock which I purchased at 26.99$ as it broke out on 05-14, and which I still hold, I have been looking for any signs of whether I should get out. although the rsrank is great and the rsline is making new all-time highs, it has definitely been wedging since the breakout. Do you consider the rsline action outweighs the wedge or not? Please feel free not to answer this question given my vested interest in APPX. Note that, given I am very new at this, I will, much more than likely, invoke the take-your-20%-profit-and-run rule with this one. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:36 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a strong stock will most often see the RSLine stay flat or (preferrably) rise even as price is falling. That occurs because, despite the pullback, the price action *relative to the market as a whole* is still showing superiority. For example, if the price of stock A is falling at a *slower rate* than the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. That's why you can have a stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling on the left side of the cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make new highs, even as the stock's price is drifting down within the handle (which is ideally what you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get overly concerned about a minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as long as the overall upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That can happen when the market as a whole is very strong. What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. This will happen in ill formed bases and in stocks that are currently rising after a previous breakout. If the price continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly South, that's a warning sign the move is running out of gas. This is the same reasoning you would use when looking for the "wedging" action discussed here on the list previously. That is, if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Thanks Katherine. As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I guess that's to be expected in a proper handle given that the price should be falling. would the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming the handle is forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that make sense? ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV calculation. So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi all, I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in the ud volume. The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 24 May 2003 20:06:17 -0700 Hi Ian - How does making 40% returns become more difficult as the size of your account increases? Assuming you're still sticking with the same types of stocks, can't you expect the same types of returns? Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:11 AM > Hi Tomas: > > I'll be the exception here and say that I believe that 40% a year is a > reasonable goal (particularly up until you have about $600,000 - IMHO, > outsized returns are a lot easier with smaller amounts of money) if you are > extremely disciplined about: > * cutting losses very early > * REALLY letting your winners run > * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You don't > have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to > understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and 30% > runs in the indices). > > NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all seem to fly in the face > of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely essential to achieve > outsized gains. > > > My personal goals are to double every two years (about 42% per year), and I > have been achieving it. As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 years > ago this weekend, and is up about 118% to date: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/FundPublicPa > ge?source=DoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi (and this was during an ugly market, and > with an average of 30% cash, and no shorting allowed, and using strict SEC > mutual fund asset allocation rules) > > As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound the gains is > taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the US. > > Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up 80-200%. If you > slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts happened, you would easily > be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months. > > IMHO, with an unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think that > somewhere in the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where these > kind of gains become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional money > manager, who must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living from > fees, it really is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for the > individual investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their > 'money making universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of > available equities, so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of gains. > > Consider SSYS and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during the last > 2 months. Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when the > rally started (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the average > probably under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, you > probably couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a huge > impact on you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions for > yourself, these two stocks alone could have netted you 20-30%. > > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > Marketocracy has 100+ funds that were up 30% in the last 30 days alone: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/RankingViewP > age?date=20030516&subject=30Days%20Rankings%2081%20%2D%20100 > IMHO, that is only possible because of the small position sizes. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: canslim canslim > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 24 May 2003 23:15:12 EDT Katherine: Per your last sentence of this E-mail, how would you handle a stock that is in an obvious good looking C&H, and whose right side shows price increasing on good volume-but whose right side also shows that the RS Line is declining as the right side builds up to the Handle? One or the other (volume or RSL) must be given the the deciding weight. Which would you choose-and why? jans In a message dated 5/24/2003 12:38:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. ...if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Options Date: 25 May 2003 01:43:32 -0700 I've been wondering about the same thing. In most stocks with a sound CwH, they'll often go up $5 or so within only a few days of breakout (in my limited experience). In many cases trading options (not to limit losses, but to speculate) would produce a 50-100% return with only a $5 increase in the stock price. That seems very tempting to me, until I remember that if the breakout fails and the stock falls below your strike price, you're instantly out nearly 100%. Risk and return, but it sure sounds tempting. Has anyone tried doing this with CANSLIM stocks breaking out of CwH bases? IMO, using stops at 8% would prevent you from really needing to use options to protect yourself, and they cut into your profits if you're right. Of course, I've never even used an option yet, so take that for what it's worth. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:26 AM > I was wondering, does anyone here use options when they are doing > CANSLIM? I don't know a lot about options, so I am trying to figure > out if they are useful here, and could help set stop loss limits, > though not necessarily at an 8% price drop. Thanks > > Dave > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 25 May 2003 06:40:11 -0500 (CDT) This is an Extended Internal Rate of Return calculation or a Compound Annual Growth Rate calculation. XIRR includes cash flow calculations, CAGR does not. To achieve the $2M goal, starting with $10K at age 29 and adding $10K each and every year thru age 40, requires an average annual return of about 46% for an XIRR of 40.81% Check the math add-ins pack for your spreadsheet to see the calculations for XIRR(). It needs several inputs, including an initial guess as to the magnitude of the result, the range of dates, and the cash flows of the investment. Robert Gammon Houston, TX On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT), Tomas wrote: >Chris, > >I also did the calculation. I guess the question is >if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when >average out 10 years. > > >--- Chris Jones wrote: >> Tomas - >> I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been >> looking into the same >> question recently. By the simple rules of compound >> interest, here's how it >> breaks down: >> With a principal of $10000, you need to invest >> $10000 every year, and get an >> average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million by >> the time you're 40. >> >> I guess it all just depends on how good you are. I >> have a spreadsheet that >> I found/tweaked where you can enter your own >> Principal, Interest Rate, and >> Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. Lemme >> know if anyone wants >> it. >> >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tomas" >> To: "canslim canslim" >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? >> >> >> > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an >> > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal >> is to >> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable >> goal? >> > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and >> add >> > between $5-$10K capital every year. >> > >> > I understand that there are many factors like >> > - how discipline you are >> > - how diligence you are >> > - how persistent you are >> > - how you learn from your mistake and >> > do post analysis of your trades >> > - and even how lucky you are. >> > >> > But assumption that the investor is decently good >> on >> > those factors. What is your opinion? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > tomas >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> > http://search.yahoo.com >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 25 May 2003 07:56:40 -0500 Hi jans, Darn...such a tough question for a holiday weekend! :)) First, I'd say that it's rare that these are the only 2 factors I would use in making a decision as to whether or not to pursue a stock. Even from a technical perspective, there are more risk-factor clues to consider, such as the tightness of the ranges on the right side of the base, the quality of the handle, the number of up weeks on above average volume vs down weeks on above average volume within the base, the technical condition of this stock relative to other stocks within the industry, the technical condition of the industry as a whole, etc. And none of those factors consider the fundamental condition of the stock or the underlying characteristics of the business such as competitive advantage, potential business or accounting red flags, etc. That said, however, if I were looking at 2 stocks with *all else being equal*, then I'd always choose the one that is technically most sound. That means I would choose the one with *both* rising volume on the right side of the cup *and* a rising RSLine (particuarly if the RSLine is rising to new highs ahead of the price) over the one with rising volume and a declining RSLine. Here's the logic behind the assessment of the first stock being "better": If the price is rising on the right side of the cup (whether volume is rising or not) and the RSLine is *falling*, that means this stock is rising in price at a rate slower than the market as a whole is rising. Translation: it's lagging the market. Eventually this stock will fall back in RSRank, because other stocks that are rising faster than the market will show outperformance relative to this stock and therefore have higher RSRanks. In short, it means this stock is a laggard, i.e., money is not flowing into it as quickly as it is flowing into other stocks. I'd much rather pursue a leading stock, as strong outperformance against both the market as a whole (RSLine) and relative to all other stocks (RSRank) tends to lead to outsized gains. I think the real problem is that without a system that gives one a very thorough view of all stocks currently setting up in bases and nearing a breakout, it's easy to "settle" for a flawed stock like this because one doesn't have an quick and easy way to view all the other (potentially better) stocks that are also setting up at the same time. It's like choosing something behind door number one when nobody has let on there is another door available with more choices to consider. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:15 PM Katherine: Per your last sentence of this E-mail, how would you handle a stock that is in an obvious good looking C&H, and whose right side shows price increasing on good volume-but whose right side also shows that the RS Line is declining as the right side builds up to the Handle? One or the other (volume or RSL) must be given the the deciding weight. Which would you choose-and why? jans In a message dated 5/24/2003 12:38:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. ...if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 25 May 2003 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Robert, Thanks for the information. I looked in Excel and the function is call MIRR. BTW, I am from Houston, TX too. :) tomas --- Robert Gammon wrote: > This is an Extended Internal Rate of Return > calculation or a > Compound Annual Growth Rate calculation. XIRR > includes cash flow > calculations, CAGR does not. > > To achieve the $2M goal, starting with $10K at age > 29 and adding > $10K each and every year thru age 40, requires an > average annual > return of about 46% for an XIRR of 40.81% > > Check the math add-ins pack for your spreadsheet to > see the > calculations for XIRR(). It needs several inputs, > including an > initial guess as to the magnitude of the result, the > range of > dates, and the cash flows of the investment. > > Robert Gammon > Houston, TX > > On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT), Tomas > wrote: > > >Chris, > > > >I also did the calculation. I guess the question > is > >if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when > >average out 10 years. > > > > > >--- Chris Jones wrote: > >> Tomas - > >> I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been > >> looking into the same > >> question recently. By the simple rules of > compound > >> interest, here's how it > >> breaks down: > >> With a principal of $10000, you need to invest > >> $10000 every year, and get an > >> average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million > by > >> the time you're 40. > >> > >> I guess it all just depends on how good you are. > I > >> have a spreadsheet that > >> I found/tweaked where you can enter your own > >> Principal, Interest Rate, and > >> Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. > Lemme > >> know if anyone wants > >> it. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tomas" > >> To: "canslim canslim" > > >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > >> > >> > >> > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > >> > investor is 29 years old right now, and his > goal > >> is to > >> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > >> goal? > >> > The assumption is that he will start with $10K > and > >> add > >> > between $5-$10K capital every year. > >> > > >> > I understand that there are many factors like > >> > - how discipline you are > >> > - how diligence you are > >> > - how persistent you are > >> > - how you learn from your mistake and > >> > do post analysis of your trades > >> > - and even how lucky you are. > >> > > >> > But assumption that the investor is decently > good > >> on > >> > those factors. What is your opinion? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > tomas > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 25 May 2003 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT) For the tax problem, I am thinking maybe you can use margin to offset the tax loss. I have not done the calculation yet, but margin should make up the some difference for the lost in tax. Of course, I won't be using margin until I am more comfortable with CS in a year or two. tomas --- Ian wrote: > Tomas: > > By my calculations, if you added the maximum $10,000 > every year, and made > 40% per year, and PAID NO TAXES, at the end of 12 > years you would have > $1,959,000. At the midpoint, after 6 years, you > would have $238,000. > > In Canada, we have a tax-sheltered retirement > account that could be used to > do this. But you would have to wait an extra 2 1/2 > years (total of 14 1/2) > in order to double it again, so that it could be > withdrawn at a 50% tax > rate. That would be a way the optimal way to deal > with the taxes - shelter > them as they compound, and pay them at the end, or > slowly as the money is > withdrawn. > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: canslim canslim > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good > on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Is it realistic to think we could do half that good (50%) each = year for five years? I have a 40 hour + job each week. Or would taking = two years to do what they have done in one be more realistic (42%). IBD = has mentioned several times a set of Texas twins that achieved a 57% = annual compounded return from 1988 to 1999. Eleven years WOW!! Some how = I think that some kind of index average also needs to be part of the = equation but since this is an unknown I'm not sure how to include or = calculate this. At any rate I figured that I could take twice the time = as the professionals and would set 42% as my goal. Do I think that it is realistic? Absolutely, but not without a lot of = hard work and quick decision-making. In WON's book he says, "It's the = time you put in after 9 to 5 Monday through Friday that ultimately makes = the difference." Boy is he right on this one. This takes a lot of time. Ian said it well with the following three points, and I added some = comments: * cutting losses very early WON says in his book take 7-8% losses when wrong but that the average of = these losses should be 5% or less. * REALLY letting your winners run With all the sell rules he has this is sometimes hard to do. WON says = 40% of breakouts come back to the breakout point, making this even = harder. * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You = don't have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need = to understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and = 30% runs in the indices). This is very important. To add another two to Ian's list: * WON's book says that he realized, "Most stocks that topped had done so = because the general market started into a decline of 10% or more." = Therefore it becomes very important to reduce holdings during this time = period. * I believe he says there is a three year learning curve for the CANSLIM = method. So you must account for this when setting goals. I'd like to see more thoughts on reasonable goals this time around. Who = else on this list has set a goal? -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:58 PM This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal?=20 The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add between $5-$10K capital every year. I understand that there are many factors like - how discipline you are - how diligence you are - how persistent you are - how you learn from your mistake and=20 do post analysis of your trades - and even how lucky you are. But assumption that the investor is decently good on those factors. What is your opinion? Thanks, tomas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Options Date: 25 May 2003 16:08:08 -0500 I would not recommend using options until you are very good at CANSLIM. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:44 AM I've been wondering about the same thing. In most stocks with a sound = CwH, they'll often go up $5 or so within only a few days of breakout (in my limited experience). In many cases trading options (not to limit = losses, but to speculate) would produce a 50-100% return with only a $5 increase = in the stock price. That seems very tempting to me, until I remember that = if the breakout fails and the stock falls below your strike price, you're instantly out nearly 100%. Risk and return, but it sure sounds = tempting. Has anyone tried doing this with CANSLIM stocks breaking out of CwH = bases? IMO, using stops at 8% would prevent you from really needing to use = options to protect yourself, and they cut into your profits if you're right. Of course, I've never even used an option yet, so take that for what it's worth. Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:26 AM > I was wondering, does anyone here use options when they are doing > CANSLIM? I don't know a lot about options, so I am trying to figure > out if they are useful here, and could help set stop loss limits, > though not necessarily at an 8% price drop. Thanks > > Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 25 May 2003 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, As alway, your answer is well thought out, and comprehensive. I appreciate the time you spent to answer my question. Yes, you can break the question into two parts. But, I would like to make a little change. 1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM approach, that I can make 40-46% per year, AVERAGED OUT for the next 10 years? In other words, I understand that for bear markets, it would be hard to make 40-46% returns. However, maybe you can make more than 40% in a bull market to compensate for the bear market. Like you said, it might be easy to make triple digit return in the last bull market. I hope these kind of bull markets (though I don't see the last bull market happening that ofen) will provide a better chance of hitting the 40-46% average return for 10 years or so. I am a new CS'er. I just started seriously using CS a few months ago. So, I do not have previous year performance numbers to base off. Maybe that is where the optimistic 40-46% return goal comes in :). However, I truly believe that if there is a will, there is a way. This is the game plan: -$10,000 starting funds -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year Below is the calculation(Hope the table comes out OK). The average return(ROR) is calculated for 40%, tax rate is 28% (even though I think it might increase later), and average margin used will be 25%. For the first two years, I did not put margin in. ROR Tax Rate Margin 40% 28% 25% Age Year Principal Without Tax With Tax With Tax and Margin 29 2003 $10,000.00 $14,000.00 $12,880.00 $12,880.00 (no margin) 30 2004 $10,000.00 $33,600.00 $29,469.44 $29,469.44 (no margin) 31 2005 $10,000.00 $61,040.00 $50,836.64 $53,678.44 32 2006 $10,000.00 $99,456.00 $78,357.59 $86,602.68 33 2007 $10,000.00 $153,238.40 $113,804.58 $131,379.64 34 2008 $10,000.00 $228,533.76 $159,460.29 $192,276.31 35 2009 $10,000.00 $333,947.26 $218,264.86 $275,095.78 36 2010 $10,000.00 $481,526.17 $294,005.14 $387,730.26 37 2011 $10,000.00 $688,136.64 $391,558.62 $540,913.16 38 2012 $10,000.00 $977,391.29 $517,207.50 $749,241.89 39 2013 $10,000.00 $1,382,347.81 $679,043.26 $1,032,568.98 40 2014 $10,000.00 $1,949,286.93 $887,487.72 $1,417,893.81 41 2015 $10,000.00 $2,743,001.71 $1,155,964.19 $1,941,935.58 Without Tax Column = strictly 40% return with no tax consideration With Tax Column = 40% return with tax at end of year With Tax and Margin = 40% return with tax using margin The "without tax" column would be a tax deferred account. I am not sure if a 25% average margin usage is sensible or not. Thus, the $2M goal can be reached at 2015 (age 41). I could add another 10K to the initial capital investment to help out with the ROR. With initial $20k capital, the ROR can be 37% per year. The whole idea of asking the question is the first place is to figure out what I need to do to get to that goal. So, if the expected ROR is just plain silly/optimistic, I need to figure out what other things I need to do to get to that goal. With all this said and done, I would not mind if I reach the goal of $2M when I am 45. Regards, tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > I'm answering this to you directly rather than to > the list, because it looks > like your question was to me offlist. If you find > the input valuable, then > I'll post it to the list in general, as I'm sure > there are others who have > the same questions that you do! > > ===== > Hi Tomas, > > Overall, my impression is that you are really asking > 2 different questions: > (1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM > approach, that I can > make 40-46% per year, *each and every year without > fail* over the next 10 > years? > (2) Is it a good idea to plan my future assuming > that I'll have $2.5m in 10 > years if I start with $10,000 now and add $10,000 > per year? > > While I know that you would rather someone say "yes" > to both questions with > certainty, the truth of the matter is that one can't > do so. If that's the > assumption, then what does that leave you with? > > I think that there are few things that *can* be said > with certainty: > > (1) If you follow a disciplined approach to CANSLIM > investing, you will > consistently outperform the market. > > The real problem is that not all markets are > conducive to a long-only > CANSLIM strategy with the same degree of risk. For > example, in the late > 90's, it was fairly easy to make triple digit > returns, even without using > margin. That meant that a big bundle of money was > available to reinvest in > the following year. Then, when the Bear hit, it > became far more challenging > to make these kinds of returns without taking on > additional risk and/or > adding complementary shorting strategies for the > downswings. While the > market was plunging 60 or 70%, however, the > *typical* (not exceptional) > long-only CANSLIM investor was more likely making > 0-30%. Sure, that's > outperformance to the market, but it's not 40-46% > per year, each and every > year. Those assumptions (and realities) make a huge > difference in the > dollars compounded at the end of 10 years. > > (2) You will have to pay taxes and if the dollars > are in a taxable account; > the dollars available for investing in the following > period after you've > paid taxes will be less. > > Even though I know you'd like to keep the > assumptions simple for the sake of > discussion, you just can't ignore this. If you don't > have monies available > elsewhere to pay the tax man, then you can't roll > entire positions and/or > profits into new positions in the following year. > That can make an enormous > difference in the actual dollars you end up with at > the end of 10 years. If > the dollars are in a tax deferred account, then all > monies are available to > compound in the following year. Taxes, even though > they have to be paid > eventually, don't impact the dollars that you can > accumulate from one year > to the next. (And if you play on margin, which > cannot be done in a tax > deferred account, then you're talking about an > entirely different set of > assumptions.) > > > (3) The manner in which you add the $10000 per year, > whether incrementally > month my month, quarter by quarter, or in one lump > sum, will affect the > overall return. > > If all your added dollars from one year to the next > are not added in one > lump sum, then you do not have the luxury of > investing them in positions so > that the $10K works for you all year. If you add, > for example, month by > month, then the money will be more likely to sit > idle for some time until > you close one position and then open a new position. > If you instead choose > to put the money to work right away, then you are > adding new positions with > very small dollar amounts, and the additional > transaction costs will eat > into your returns. If you have a few super > performers, you don't necessarily > have the luxury of adding to the position whenever > you want, as the risk of > losing money increases if you add when the stock is > not pulling out of a > fresh basing pattern. Those potential losses can > impact your overall returns > dramatically. > > > So, that said, maybe it makes sense to get to the > crux of the matter. Can > one theoretically achieve 40-46% returns per year > with CANSLIM? Well, yes, > theoretically. In reality, you then have to ask > yourself, "what returns have > I been able to achieve given the market backdrop and > my current skill set?" > Say, for example, you've been able to make > consistent 20% returns *each and > every year* for the last 5 years. You will have to > *immediately* increase > your performance by a factor of 2+ to get to 40-46% > per year. If you haven't > already been doing that, what specifically, will you > have to do to make it > happen? What is the likelihood you will succeed? > What is the "worst possible > scenario" if you don't? And remember, that even > though with CANSLIM you will > always outperform the market, over long periods of > time (and 10 years is a > long time), the average return on the market is > somewhere in the vicinity of > 8-11%. Here's one more statistic for you to show the > power of a sideways > market such as about '62-'80 and '30-'45. If an > investor had put $1000 > dollars into the market in about 1962 and let it > ride the ups and downs of > the market in an index fund, by 1980 (nearly *20* > years), they would have > just about $1000 in the account. In inflation > adjusted terms, that means > they *lost* their effective buying power. CANSLIM is > certainly not a buy and > hold strategy, but if you are not an excellent > investor and make too many > mistakes, then you will, at best, just end up making > the market average. > > Running the numbers: > -$10,000 starting funds > -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year > -take no monies out of the funds for taxes > -compound each and every year at 11% per year > > The final sum at the end of 10 years is $214,008.51. > > Katherine > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomas [mailto:tomas986@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:29 AM > To: kmalm@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > Katherine, > > I was hoping you have some comments on this subject. > Do you think I am just too optimistic? Or is this > goal within reach. > > > Thanks, > tomas > > --- Tomas wrote: > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal > is > > to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > goal? > > > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > > add > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 25 May 2003 20:14:33 -0500 Note to the list: This thread actually started offlist, but as Tomas has moved it on-list, to get the gist of the discussion, you'll need to read back to my original response.... === Hi Tomas, I haven't looked that closely at your numbers, but I want to be sure you've included a couple of things in the calculations: (1) When you took out the tax each year, were you investing the *after tax amount* into the next year as your base capital? Just want to be sure, as that will make a difference in your final calculations. The other assumption is that you will always be 25% margined. When the market is weak, you're not going to want to do that. The general rule of thumb is that you don't want to begin margining until your portfolio is fully invested and each and every position is up at least 20%. In very strong markets, that's do-able, but you're assuming that 100% of the time over the last 8 years that you are going to be in that situation. (2) The returns you're calculating are indeed assuming 40% *each and every* year, as you are rolling the end of year figure into the next year and then compounding it at a rate of 40%. That's hugely different than an *average* of 40%. Let me give you a silly example just to make my point. Joe Investor claims that he made 100% returns *on average* over the last 2 years. Year one he made 200%, year 2 he made -100%. The "average" return was [200% + (-100%)]/2 = 100%. *However* he actually has NO MONEY LEFT!!!! -100% in year 2 means he *lost all of his capital*! So... you can't assume an *average* of 40% and make your numbers work as you have outlined them. Your model will become considerably more complex if you try and estimate returns for one year vs. another that *average* to 40%. Bottom line is that you have to be able to make that kind of return consistently, each and every year without fail to make the final figure. That means that as a brand new CANSLIM investor, you have to do everything right now and always. We have a saying we use often in CANSLIM-speak, that is, we pay a tuition to Mr. Market for the mistakes we make along the path to becoming excellent investors (i.e, you're going to make some big mistakes that will cost you some bucks as you learn to use the CANSLIM methodology.) I'm a huge believer in setting goals, writing a plan to achieve them, and then measuring and assessing my performance over time. That's how I get better each and every year. Each year my focus is a bit different, based on the mistakes that I made the previous year and on the areas of investing for which I feel less comfortable. It's this process that makes us stronger and better as CANSLIM investors. However, I'm also a big believer in setting tough, but realistic goals. The process that you are going through is the first step and for the most part, is the easiest. The tough part is to break it down and come up with a to-do list of what you need to do to make the 40%/year. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:58 PM Katherine, As alway, your answer is well thought out, and comprehensive. I appreciate the time you spent to answer my question. Yes, you can break the question into two parts. But, I would like to make a little change. 1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM approach, that I can make 40-46% per year, AVERAGED OUT for the next 10 years? In other words, I understand that for bear markets, it would be hard to make 40-46% returns. However, maybe you can make more than 40% in a bull market to compensate for the bear market. Like you said, it might be easy to make triple digit return in the last bull market. I hope these kind of bull markets (though I don't see the last bull market happening that ofen) will provide a better chance of hitting the 40-46% average return for 10 years or so. I am a new CS'er. I just started seriously using CS a few months ago. So, I do not have previous year performance numbers to base off. Maybe that is where the optimistic 40-46% return goal comes in :). However, I truly believe that if there is a will, there is a way. This is the game plan: -$10,000 starting funds -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year Below is the calculation(Hope the table comes out OK). The average return(ROR) is calculated for 40%, tax rate is 28% (even though I think it might increase later), and average margin used will be 25%. For the first two years, I did not put margin in. ROR Tax Rate Margin 40% 28% 25% Age Year Principal Without Tax With Tax With Tax and Margin 29 2003 $10,000.00 $14,000.00 $12,880.00 $12,880.00 (no margin) 30 2004 $10,000.00 $33,600.00 $29,469.44 $29,469.44 (no margin) 31 2005 $10,000.00 $61,040.00 $50,836.64 $53,678.44 32 2006 $10,000.00 $99,456.00 $78,357.59 $86,602.68 33 2007 $10,000.00 $153,238.40 $113,804.58 $131,379.64 34 2008 $10,000.00 $228,533.76 $159,460.29 $192,276.31 35 2009 $10,000.00 $333,947.26 $218,264.86 $275,095.78 36 2010 $10,000.00 $481,526.17 $294,005.14 $387,730.26 37 2011 $10,000.00 $688,136.64 $391,558.62 $540,913.16 38 2012 $10,000.00 $977,391.29 $517,207.50 $749,241.89 39 2013 $10,000.00 $1,382,347.81 $679,043.26 $1,032,568.98 40 2014 $10,000.00 $1,949,286.93 $887,487.72 $1,417,893.81 41 2015 $10,000.00 $2,743,001.71 $1,155,964.19 $1,941,935.58 Without Tax Column = strictly 40% return with no tax consideration With Tax Column = 40% return with tax at end of year With Tax and Margin = 40% return with tax using margin The "without tax" column would be a tax deferred account. I am not sure if a 25% average margin usage is sensible or not. Thus, the $2M goal can be reached at 2015 (age 41). I could add another 10K to the initial capital investment to help out with the ROR. With initial $20k capital, the ROR can be 37% per year. The whole idea of asking the question is the first place is to figure out what I need to do to get to that goal. So, if the expected ROR is just plain silly/optimistic, I need to figure out what other things I need to do to get to that goal. With all this said and done, I would not mind if I reach the goal of $2M when I am 45. Regards, tomas -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:05 PM Hi Tomas, Overall, my impression is that you are really asking 2 different questions: (1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM approach, that I can make 40-46% per year, *each and every year without fail* over the next 10 years? (2) Is it a good idea to plan my future assuming that I'll have $2.5m in 10 years if I start with $10,000 now and add $10,000 per year? While I know that you would rather someone say "yes" to both questions with certainty, the truth of the matter is that one can't do so. If that's the assumption, then what does that leave you with? I think that there are few things that *can* be said with certainty: (1) If you follow a disciplined approach to CANSLIM investing, you will consistently outperform the market. The real problem is that not all markets are conducive to a long-only CANSLIM strategy with the same degree of risk. For example, in the late 90's, it was fairly easy to make triple digit returns, even without using margin. That meant that a big bundle of money was available to reinvest in the following year. Then, when the Bear hit, it became far more challenging to make these kinds of returns without taking on additional risk and/or adding complementary shorting strategies for the downswings. While the market was plunging 60 or 70%, however, the *typical* (not exceptional) long-only CANSLIM investor was more likely making 0-30%. Sure, that's outperformance to the market, but it's not 40-46% per year, each and every year. Those assumptions (and realities) make a huge difference in the dollars compounded at the end of 10 years. (2) You will have to pay taxes and if the dollars are in a taxable account; the dollars available for investing in the following period after you've paid taxes will be less. Even though I know you'd like to keep the assumptions simple for the sake of discussion, you just can't ignore this. If you don't have monies available elsewhere to pay the tax man, then you can't roll entire positions and/or profits into new positions in the following year. That can make an enormous difference in the actual dollars you end up with at the end of 10 years. If the dollars are in a tax deferred account, then all monies are available to compound in the following year. Taxes, even though they have to be paid eventually, don't impact the dollars that you can accumulate from one year to the next. (And if you play on margin, which cannot be done in a tax deferred account, then you're talking about an entirely different set of assumptions.) (3) The manner in which you add the $10000 per year, whether incrementally month my month, quarter by quarter, or in one lump sum, will affect the overall return. If all your added dollars from one year to the next are not added in one lump sum, then you do not have the luxury of investing them in positions so that the $10K works for you all year. If you add, for example, month by month, then the money will be more likely to sit idle for some time until you close one position and then open a new position. If you instead choose to put the money to work right away, then you are adding new positions with very small dollar amounts, and the additional transaction costs will eat into your returns. If you have a few super performers, you don't necessarily have the luxury of adding to the position whenever you want, as the risk of losing money increases if you add when the stock is not pulling out of a fresh basing pattern. Those potential losses can impact your overall returns dramatically. So, that said, maybe it makes sense to get to the crux of the matter. Can one theoretically achieve 40-46% returns per year with CANSLIM? Well, yes, theoretically. In reality, you then have to ask yourself, "what returns have I been able to achieve given the market backdrop and my current skill set?" Say, for example, you've been able to make consistent 20% returns *each and every year* for the last 5 years. You will have to *immediately* increase your performance by a factor of 2+ to get to 40-46% per year. If you haven't already been doing that, what specifically, will you have to do to make it happen? What is the likelihood you will succeed? What is the "worst possible scenario" if you don't? And remember, that even though with CANSLIM you will always outperform the market, over long periods of time (and 10 years is a long time), the average return on the market is somewhere in the vicinity of 8-11%. Here's one more statistic for you to show the power of a sideways market such as about '62-'80 and '30-'45. If an investor had put $1000 dollars into the market in about 1962 and let it ride the ups and downs of the market in an index fund, by 1980 (nearly *20* years), they would have just about $1000 in the account. In inflation adjusted terms, that means they *lost* their effective buying power. CANSLIM is certainly not a buy and hold strategy, but if you are not an excellent investor and make too many mistakes, then you will, at best, just end up making the market average. Running the numbers: -$10,000 starting funds -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year -take no monies out of the funds for taxes -compound each and every year at 11% per year The final sum at the end of 10 years is $214,008.51. Katherine -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:29 AM Katherine, I was hoping you have some comments on this subject. Do you think I am just too optimistic? Or is this goal within reach. Thanks, tomas --- Tomas wrote: > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is > to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Manny Llaguno" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 26 May 2003 03:25:46 -0400 interesting scenario ... Joe Investor claims that he made 100% returns *on average* over the last 2 years. Year one he made 200%, year 2 he made -100%. The "average" return was [200% + (-100%)]/2 = 100%. *However* he actually has NO MONEY LEFT!!!! -100% in year 2 means he *lost all of his capital*! So... you can't assume an *average* of 40% and make your numbers work as you have outlined them. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:15 PM Note to the list: This thread actually started offlist, but as Tomas has moved it on-list, to get the gist of the discussion, you'll need to read back to my original response.... === Hi Tomas, I haven't looked that closely at your numbers, but I want to be sure you've included a couple of things in the calculations: (1) When you took out the tax each year, were you investing the *after tax amount* into the next year as your base capital? Just want to be sure, as that will make a difference in your final calculations. The other assumption is that you will always be 25% margined. When the market is weak, you're not going to want to do that. The general rule of thumb is that you don't want to begin margining until your portfolio is fully invested and each and every position is up at least 20%. In very strong markets, that's do-able, but you're assuming that 100% of the time over the last 8 years that you are going to be in that situation. (2) The returns you're calculating are indeed assuming 40% *each and every* year, as you are rolling the end of year figure into the next year and then compounding it at a rate of 40%. That's hugely different than an *average* of 40%. Let me give you a silly example just to make my point. Joe Investor claims that he made 100% returns *on average* over the last 2 years. Year one he made 200%, year 2 he made -100%. The "average" return was [200% + (-100%)]/2 = 100%. *However* he actually has NO MONEY LEFT!!!! -100% in year 2 means he *lost all of his capital*! So... you can't assume an *average* of 40% and make your numbers work as you have outlined them. Your model will become considerably more complex if you try and estimate returns for one year vs. another that *average* to 40%. Bottom line is that you have to be able to make that kind of return consistently, each and every year without fail to make the final figure. That means that as a brand new CANSLIM investor, you have to do everything right now and always. We have a saying we use often in CANSLIM-speak, that is, we pay a tuition to Mr. Market for the mistakes we make along the path to becoming excellent investors (i.e, you're going to make some big mistakes that will cost you some bucks as you learn to use the CANSLIM methodology.) I'm a huge believer in setting goals, writing a plan to achieve them, and then measuring and assessing my performance over time. That's how I get better each and every year. Each year my focus is a bit different, based on the mistakes that I made the previous year and on the areas of investing for which I feel less comfortable. It's this process that makes us stronger and better as CANSLIM investors. However, I'm also a big believer in setting tough, but realistic goals. The process that you are going through is the first step and for the most part, is the easiest. The tough part is to break it down and come up with a to-do list of what you need to do to make the 40%/year. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:58 PM Katherine, As alway, your answer is well thought out, and comprehensive. I appreciate the time you spent to answer my question. Yes, you can break the question into two parts. But, I would like to make a little change. 1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM approach, that I can make 40-46% per year, AVERAGED OUT for the next 10 years? In other words, I understand that for bear markets, it would be hard to make 40-46% returns. However, maybe you can make more than 40% in a bull market to compensate for the bear market. Like you said, it might be easy to make triple digit return in the last bull market. I hope these kind of bull markets (though I don't see the last bull market happening that ofen) will provide a better chance of hitting the 40-46% average return for 10 years or so. I am a new CS'er. I just started seriously using CS a few months ago. So, I do not have previous year performance numbers to base off. Maybe that is where the optimistic 40-46% return goal comes in :). However, I truly believe that if there is a will, there is a way. This is the game plan: -$10,000 starting funds -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year Below is the calculation(Hope the table comes out OK). The average return(ROR) is calculated for 40%, tax rate is 28% (even though I think it might increase later), and average margin used will be 25%. For the first two years, I did not put margin in. ROR Tax Rate Margin 40% 28% 25% Age Year Principal Without Tax With Tax With Tax and Margin 29 2003 $10,000.00 $14,000.00 $12,880.00 $12,880.00 (no margin) 30 2004 $10,000.00 $33,600.00 $29,469.44 $29,469.44 (no margin) 31 2005 $10,000.00 $61,040.00 $50,836.64 $53,678.44 32 2006 $10,000.00 $99,456.00 $78,357.59 $86,602.68 33 2007 $10,000.00 $153,238.40 $113,804.58 $131,379.64 34 2008 $10,000.00 $228,533.76 $159,460.29 $192,276.31 35 2009 $10,000.00 $333,947.26 $218,264.86 $275,095.78 36 2010 $10,000.00 $481,526.17 $294,005.14 $387,730.26 37 2011 $10,000.00 $688,136.64 $391,558.62 $540,913.16 38 2012 $10,000.00 $977,391.29 $517,207.50 $749,241.89 39 2013 $10,000.00 $1,382,347.81 $679,043.26 $1,032,568.98 40 2014 $10,000.00 $1,949,286.93 $887,487.72 $1,417,893.81 41 2015 $10,000.00 $2,743,001.71 $1,155,964.19 $1,941,935.58 Without Tax Column = strictly 40% return with no tax consideration With Tax Column = 40% return with tax at end of year With Tax and Margin = 40% return with tax using margin The "without tax" column would be a tax deferred account. I am not sure if a 25% average margin usage is sensible or not. Thus, the $2M goal can be reached at 2015 (age 41). I could add another 10K to the initial capital investment to help out with the ROR. With initial $20k capital, the ROR can be 37% per year. The whole idea of asking the question is the first place is to figure out what I need to do to get to that goal. So, if the expected ROR is just plain silly/optimistic, I need to figure out what other things I need to do to get to that goal. With all this said and done, I would not mind if I reach the goal of $2M when I am 45. Regards, tomas -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:05 PM Hi Tomas, Overall, my impression is that you are really asking 2 different questions: (1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM approach, that I can make 40-46% per year, *each and every year without fail* over the next 10 years? (2) Is it a good idea to plan my future assuming that I'll have $2.5m in 10 years if I start with $10,000 now and add $10,000 per year? While I know that you would rather someone say "yes" to both questions with certainty, the truth of the matter is that one can't do so. If that's the assumption, then what does that leave you with? I think that there are few things that *can* be said with certainty: (1) If you follow a disciplined approach to CANSLIM investing, you will consistently outperform the market. The real problem is that not all markets are conducive to a long-only CANSLIM strategy with the same degree of risk. For example, in the late 90's, it was fairly easy to make triple digit returns, even without using margin. That meant that a big bundle of money was available to reinvest in the following year. Then, when the Bear hit, it became far more challenging to make these kinds of returns without taking on additional risk and/or adding complementary shorting strategies for the downswings. While the market was plunging 60 or 70%, however, the *typical* (not exceptional) long-only CANSLIM investor was more likely making 0-30%. Sure, that's outperformance to the market, but it's not 40-46% per year, each and every year. Those assumptions (and realities) make a huge difference in the dollars compounded at the end of 10 years. (2) You will have to pay taxes and if the dollars are in a taxable account; the dollars available for investing in the following period after you've paid taxes will be less. Even though I know you'd like to keep the assumptions simple for the sake of discussion, you just can't ignore this. If you don't have monies available elsewhere to pay the tax man, then you can't roll entire positions and/or profits into new positions in the following year. That can make an enormous difference in the actual dollars you end up with at the end of 10 years. If the dollars are in a tax deferred account, then all monies are available to compound in the following year. Taxes, even though they have to be paid eventually, don't impact the dollars that you can accumulate from one year to the next. (And if you play on margin, which cannot be done in a tax deferred account, then you're talking about an entirely different set of assumptions.) (3) The manner in which you add the $10000 per year, whether incrementally month my month, quarter by quarter, or in one lump sum, will affect the overall return. If all your added dollars from one year to the next are not added in one lump sum, then you do not have the luxury of investing them in positions so that the $10K works for you all year. If you add, for example, month by month, then the money will be more likely to sit idle for some time until you close one position and then open a new position. If you instead choose to put the money to work right away, then you are adding new positions with very small dollar amounts, and the additional transaction costs will eat into your returns. If you have a few super performers, you don't necessarily have the luxury of adding to the position whenever you want, as the risk of losing money increases if you add when the stock is not pulling out of a fresh basing pattern. Those potential losses can impact your overall returns dramatically. So, that said, maybe it makes sense to get to the crux of the matter. Can one theoretically achieve 40-46% returns per year with CANSLIM? Well, yes, theoretically. In reality, you then have to ask yourself, "what returns have I been able to achieve given the market backdrop and my current skill set?" Say, for example, you've been able to make consistent 20% returns *each and every year* for the last 5 years. You will have to *immediately* increase your performance by a factor of 2+ to get to 40-46% per year. If you haven't already been doing that, what specifically, will you have to do to make it happen? What is the likelihood you will succeed? What is the "worst possible scenario" if you don't? And remember, that even though with CANSLIM you will always outperform the market, over long periods of time (and 10 years is a long time), the average return on the market is somewhere in the vicinity of 8-11%. Here's one more statistic for you to show the power of a sideways market such as about '62-'80 and '30-'45. If an investor had put $1000 dollars into the market in about 1962 and let it ride the ups and downs of the market in an index fund, by 1980 (nearly *20* years), they would have just about $1000 in the account. In inflation adjusted terms, that means they *lost* their effective buying power. CANSLIM is certainly not a buy and hold strategy, but if you are not an excellent investor and make too many mistakes, then you will, at best, just end up making the market average. Running the numbers: -$10,000 starting funds -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year -take no monies out of the funds for taxes -compound each and every year at 11% per year The final sum at the end of 10 years is $214,008.51. Katherine -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:29 AM Katherine, I was hoping you have some comments on this subject. Do you think I am just too optimistic? Or is this goal within reach. Thanks, tomas --- Tomas wrote: > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is > to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerome Buckmelter" Subject: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 26 May 2003 11:48:28 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3237C.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've noticed that VRNT has recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares. They currently have 3.98 million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding. Management owns only 3% (i.e., 700, 000 shares). What would be the status of the remaining shares? Could they all be registered as stock options? Why would the company want to double the float? Wouldn't doubling the float significantly diminish the price per share? Should this action be considered negative for the stock? Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn't doing well in terms of CANSLIM criteria. What possible impact could this have on the stock? Lastly, a general question: once in a while I notice that IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock. How is that possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3237C.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I‘ve noticed that VRNT has recently registered = a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares.  They currently have 3.98 = million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding.  Management owns only 3% (i.e., = 700, 000 shares).  What would be the = status of the remaining shares?  = Could they all be registered as stock options?  Why would the company want to double the float?  Wouldn’t doubling the = float significantly diminish the price per share?  Should this action be = considered negative for the stock?

 

Also, Verint is owned as = a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which = isn’t doing well in terms of CANSLIM criteria.   What possible = impact could this have on the stock?

 

Lastly, a general question:  once in a while I notice that = IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock.  How is that possible? 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3237C.D20E1140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Date: 26 May 2003 15:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, > (1) When you took out the tax each year, were you > investing the *after tax > amount* into the next year as your base capital? > Just want to be sure, as > that will make a difference in your final > calculations. Yes. I did that. As for the margin, maybe 25% is too high. Maybe 15-20% on average is more realistic? Or even less. Once I am comfortable with CS, I plan to leverage as much margin as I can during bull markets. I understand your scenerio. Point taken. However, as long as I do not go into negative return(not sure how hard that is in bear market), the average theory holds up a little better. I have built some buffer into the numbers, and I hope that will compensate for the CS learning curve and aggressive numbers. For example, I can actually contribute 15K each year taken from ESPP. I understand my numbers are still aggressive, but gotta aim high :). Since you are one of the senior members of CS, do you mind me asking what is your usually return for the last few years. If this is too person, I understand. Thanks, tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Note to the list: This thread actually started > offlist, but as Tomas has > moved it on-list, to get the gist of the discussion, > you'll need to read > back to my original response.... > === > > Hi Tomas, > > I haven't looked that closely at your numbers, but I > want to be sure you've > included a couple of things in the calculations: > > (1) When you took out the tax each year, were you > investing the *after tax > amount* into the next year as your base capital? > Just want to be sure, as > that will make a difference in your final > calculations. The other assumption > is that you will always be 25% margined. When the > market is weak, you're not > going to want to do that. The general rule of thumb > is that you don't want > to begin margining until your portfolio is fully > invested and each and every > position is up at least 20%. In very strong markets, > that's do-able, but > you're assuming that 100% of the time over the last > 8 years that you are > going to be in that situation. > > (2) The returns you're calculating are indeed > assuming 40% *each and every* > year, as you are rolling the end of year figure into > the next year and then > compounding it at a rate of 40%. That's hugely > different than an *average* > of 40%. Let me give you a silly example just to make > my point. > > Joe Investor claims that he made 100% returns *on > average* over the last 2 > years. Year one he made 200%, year 2 he made -100%. > The "average" return was > [200% + (-100%)]/2 = 100%. *However* he actually has > NO MONEY LEFT!!!! -100% > in year 2 means he *lost all of his capital*! So... > you can't assume an > *average* of 40% and make your numbers work as you > have outlined them. > > Your model will become considerably more complex if > you try and estimate > returns for one year vs. another that *average* to > 40%. Bottom line is that > you have to be able to make that kind of return > consistently, each and every > year without fail to make the final figure. That > means that as a brand new > CANSLIM investor, you have to do everything right > now and always. We have a > saying we use often in CANSLIM-speak, that is, we > pay a tuition to Mr. > Market for the mistakes we make along the path to > becoming excellent > investors (i.e, you're going to make some big > mistakes that will cost you > some bucks as you learn to use the CANSLIM > methodology.) > > I'm a huge believer in setting goals, writing a plan > to achieve them, and > then measuring and assessing my performance over > time. That's how I get > better each and every year. Each year my focus is a > bit different, based on > the mistakes that I made the previous year and on > the areas of investing for > which I feel less comfortable. It's this process > that makes us stronger and > better as CANSLIM investors. However, I'm also a big > believer in setting > tough, but realistic goals. The process that you are > going through is the > first step and for the most part, is the easiest. > The tough part is to break > it down and come up with a to-do list of what you > need to do to make the > 40%/year. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:58 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > Katherine, > > As alway, your answer is well thought out, and > comprehensive. > I appreciate the time you spent to answer my > question. > > Yes, you can break the question into two parts. > But, I would like to make a little change. > > 1) Is it reasonable to assume that, using a CANSLIM > approach, > that I can make 40-46% per year, AVERAGED OUT for > the > next 10 years? > > In other words, I understand that for bear markets, > it > would > be hard to make 40-46% returns. However, maybe you > can make > more than 40% in a bull market to compensate for the > bear market. > Like you said, it might be easy to make triple digit > return in > the last bull market. I hope these kind of bull > markets (though > I don't see the last bull market happening that > ofen) > will provide > a better chance of hitting the 40-46% average return > for 10 years > or so. > > I am a new CS'er. I just started seriously using CS > a > few months ago. > So, I do not have previous year performance numbers > to > base off. Maybe > that is where the optimistic 40-46% return goal > comes > in :). > However, I truly believe that if there is a will, > there is a way. > > This is the game plan: > -$10,000 starting funds > -add $10,000 per year at the beginning of each year > > Below is the calculation(Hope the table comes out > OK). > > The average return(ROR) is calculated for > 40%, tax rate is 28% (even though I think it might > increase later), > and average margin used will be 25%. For the first > two years, > I did not put margin in. > > > ROR Tax Rate Margin > 40% 28% 25% > > Age Year Principal Without Tax With Tax > With Tax and Margin > > 29 2003 $10,000.00 $14,000.00 $12,880.00 > $12,880.00 (no margin) > 30 2004 $10,000.00 $33,600.00 $29,469.44 > $29,469.44 (no margin) > 31 2005 $10,000.00 $61,040.00 $50,836.64 > $53,678.44 > 32 2006 $10,000.00 $99,456.00 $78,357.59 > $86,602.68 > 33 2007 $10,000.00 $153,238.40 $113,804.58 > $131,379.64 > 34 2008 $10,000.00 $228,533.76 $159,460.29 > $192,276.31 > 35 2009 $10,000.00 $333,947.26 $218,264.86 > $275,095.78 > 36 2010 $10,000.00 $481,526.17 $294,005.14 > $387,730.26 > 37 2011 $10,000.00 $688,136.64 $391,558.62 > $540,913.16 > 38 2012 $10,000.00 $977,391.29 $517,207.50 > $749,241.89 > 39 2013 $10,000.00 $1,382,347.81 $679,043.26 > $1,032,568.98 > 40 2014 $10,000.00 $1,949,286.93 $887,487.72 > $1,417,893.81 > 41 2015 $10,000.00 $2,743,001.71 $1,155,964.19 > $1,941,935.58 > > > Without Tax Column = strictly 40% return with no > tax > consideration > With Tax Column = 40% return with tax at end of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 26 May 2003 21:11:15 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C323CB.57D97C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerome, The parent, Comverse, owns 79% (about 18.5m shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though the parent retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of situation you see when looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When you view managment ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K shares of a very small pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m shares) is actually available for general ownership. As a business strategy, the reason a company is spun off in the first place is to allow it to function as a stand alone business, separate from the less focused businesses in which the parent is involved. That focus allows a the spinoff to concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve advantage to the fullest so as to compete more effectively. In other words, it wouldn't make sense to judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent itself (CMVT), which is far less focused and in other businesses all together, is itself a CANSLIM quality business. That's essentially judging a business based on the quality of its shareholders rather than on the merits of the business itself. In a primary offering all the proceeds go to the company. Why would they sell more shares? To raise capital for various business needs. (They could have also issued debt to do the same thing but then they have the additional cash flow requirements to service the debt.) As to the offering, the best way to figure out why they're floating a primary is to read the S-3 statement itself. In this case, they state the proceeds will be used as follows: "We intend to use the net proceeds to finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. We may also use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other investments." Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/filing.php?repo=tenk&ipage=2160683&doc=1&num=7&total= 106&count=1&pg=zc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P&TK=VRNT&CK=0001166388&FG=0&FC=000000&BK= FFFFFF&SC=ON&TC1=FFFFFF&TC2=FFFFFF&LK=0000FF&AL=FF0000&VL=800080 ) The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. In practicality, they must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow the business. If they do that, then they have *leveraged* the additional capital to the betterment of the business, and that will translate into accelerated growth, which is exactly what you want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. Given that common stock represents residual interest in the business, this is the quintessential us of "other people's money." In the short run, the additional shares in float can take a bit of time to absorb into the market place, and you may see price fall back a bit. In the long run, however, if the proceeds are used appropriately and investors see promise in the business as a result, they will bid up the price of the shares, which is again exactly what you would want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. In the DGO/IBD figures, they state the management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and mutual fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific example where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at it. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:48 PM I've noticed that VRNT has recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares. They currently have 3.98 million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding. Management owns only 3% (i.e., 700, 000 shares). What would be the status of the remaining shares? Could they all be registered as stock options? Why would the company want to double the float? Wouldn't doubling the float significantly diminish the price per share? Should this action be considered negative for the stock? Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn't doing well in terms of CANSLIM criteria. What possible impact could this have on the stock? Lastly, a general question: once in a while I notice that IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock. How is that possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C323CB.57D97C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerome,
 
The parent, Comverse, owns 79% = (about 18.5m=20 shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though the = parent=20 retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of situation you see = when=20 looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When you view = managment=20 ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K shares of a = very=20 small pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m = shares) is=20 actually available for general ownership. As a business strategy, the = reason a=20 company is spun off in the first place is to allow it to function as a = stand=20 alone business, separate from the less focused businesses in which the = parent is=20 involved. That focus allows a = the spinoff=20 to concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve = advantage=20 to the fullest so as to compete more effectively. In other words, it = wouldn't=20 make sense to judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent = itself=20 (CMVT), which is far less focused and in other businesses all together, = is=20 itself a CANSLIM quality business. That's essentially judging a business = based=20 on the quality of its shareholders rather than on the merits of the = business=20 itself.
 
In a primary=20 offering all the proceeds go to the company. Why would they sell more = shares? To=20 raise capital for various business needs. (They could have also issued = debt to=20 do the same thing but then they have the additional cash flow = requirements to=20 service the debt.) As to the offering, the best way to figure out = why=20 they're floating a primary is to read the S-3 statement itself. In this = case,=20 they state the proceeds will be used as follows:
 
"We intend to use the net proceeds = to=20 finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. = We may=20 also use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other = investments."=20 Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/f= iling.php?repo=3Dtenk&ipage=3D2160683&doc=3D1&num=3D7&tot= al=3D106&count=3D1&pg=3Dzc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P&TK=3DVRNT&am= p;CK=3D0001166388&FG=3D0&FC=3D000000&BK=3DFFFFFF&SC=3DON&= amp;TC1=3DFFFFFF&TC2=3DFFFFFF&LK=3D0000FF&AL=3DFF0000&VL=3D= 800080 )
 
The additional 5m shares will = raise the=20 total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as = dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While = increasing=20 the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is = diluted=20 across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. In = practicality, they=20 must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow the business. If they = do=20 that, then they have *leveraged* the additional capital to the = betterment of the=20 business, and that will translate into accelerated growth, which is = exactly what=20 you want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. Given that common stock = represents=20 residual interest in the business, this is the quintessential us of = "other=20 people's money." In the short run, the additional shares in float can = take a bit=20 of time to absorb into the market place, and you may see price fall back = a bit.=20 In the long run, however, if the proceeds are used appropriately and = investors=20 see promise in the business as a result, they will bid up the price of = the=20 shares, which is again exactly what you would want to see in a CANSLIM = quality=20 stock.
 
In the DGO/IBD figures, they state = the=20 management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and = mutual=20 fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific = example=20 where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at = it.
 
Katherine
 
 -----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 = 12:48=20 PM
To: 'CANSLIM LIST'
Subject: [CANSLIM] VRNT and = new=20 offering

I‘ve noticed that = VRNT has=20 recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common = shares.  They currently have 3.98 = million=20 shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding.  Management owns only 3% = (i.e., 700, 000=20 shares).  What would be = the status=20 of the remaining shares?  = Could=20 they all be registered as stock options? =20 Why would the company want to double the float?  Wouldn’t doubling the = float=20 significantly diminish the price per share?  Should this action be = considered=20 negative for the stock?

 

Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn’t doing = well in terms of=20 CANSLIM criteria.   What possible impact could = this have on=20 the stock?

 

Lastly, a general = question:  once in a while I notice = that IBD=20 indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock.  How is that possible? =20

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C323CB.57D97C30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Date: 26 May 2003 19:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, Thanks for the analysis. I also bought APPX at the BO. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Roger, > > APPX is another one of those cases where you have a > better perspective on > the action since the breakout by using a weekly > chart: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPXWkly052303.JPG > > It's hard not to have a situation where price > declines a bit since the > breakout, because that day, the volume was 150%+ of > average. Subsequent days > can still be on respectable volume, but viewed in > contrast to the big > breakout day, might give the impression of wedging > action. In that case, you > want to ask whether the action, in general, is doing > what you'd expect. Are > up days on high volume and down days on low volume? > Is there a significant > decrease in volume on up days in comparison to the > beginning of the run or > is it still respectibly high? Is the price churning > (very little upward > price movement on high volume)? Etc. > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPX052303.JPG > > That doesn't mean APPX won't flash warning signs in > the near future, but > right now it looks pretty healthy. That also > shouldn't affect your profit > taking plan in any way. If you've chosen to follow > the 20%-take-it-and-run > rule, then you should absolutely stick to your plan. > > Katherine > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:58 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > > > Thanks again Katherine. > > > > In the case of APPX, I stock which I purchased at > 26.99$ as it broke out > > on 05-14, and which I still hold, I have been > looking for any signs of > > whether I should get out. although the rsrank is > great and the rsline is > > making new all-time highs, it has definitely been > wedging since the > > breakout. Do you consider the rsline action > outweighs the wedge or not? > > Please feel free not to answer this question given > my vested interest in > > APPX. > > > > Note that, given I am very new at this, I will, > much more than likely, > > invoke the take-your-20%-profit-and-run rule with > this one. > > > > ================================================= > > Roger Tawa > > http://tawacentral.net/ > > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > > [When you stop, you're done.] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:36 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > > > Hi Roger, > > > > Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a > strong stock > > will most often see the RSLine stay flat or > (preferrably) rise even as > > price is falling. That occurs because, despite the > pullback, the price > > action *relative to the market as a whole* is > still showing superiority. > > For example, if the price of stock A is falling at > a *slower rate* than > > the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. > That's why you can have a > > stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling > on the left side of the > > cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make > new highs, even as the > > stock's price is drifting down within the handle > (which is ideally what > > you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get > overly concerned about a > > minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as > long as the overall > > upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That > can happen when the market > > as a whole is very strong. > > > > What you really want to keep your eye on is a > very marked > > negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine > relative to the price > > action in the stock. This will happen in ill > formed bases and in stocks > > that are currently rising after a previous > breakout. If the price > > continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly > South, that's a warning > > sign the move is running out of gas. This is the > same reasoning you would > > use when looking for the "wedging" action > discussed here on the list > > previously. That is, if price is rising on ever > decreasing volume, that > > divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move > and raises the > > likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why > you ideally want to see > > volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. > > > > Katherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > > > Thanks Katherine. > > > > As for the down-sloping ud volume in the > handle, I > > guess that's to be expected in a proper handle > given that the price should > > be falling. would the same be true for the rsline > and rsrank? Assuming > > the handle is forming due to a general market > downturn, you might expect > > the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a > true leader. Does that > > make sense? > > > > > ================================================= > > Roger Tawa > > http://tawacentral.net/ > > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > > [When you stop, you're done.] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP > > > > Hi Roger, > > > > I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly > where > > the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the > volume action in perspective > > when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think > there's anything worrisome > > about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply > summarizing action over the > > last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly > if there were some very > > high volume days early in the 50 day period that > then drop off the > > calculation as time marches on. That would be > particularly true when much > > of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In > this case, ADVP's base is > > more than a year. If there were high volume on the > left side or near the > > bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and > then made a high volume > > reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those > volume bars fall outside > > the 50 days and action on the right side of the > base takes over in the ADV > > calculation. > > > > So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into > perspective > > by looking at the weekly action: > > > > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG > === message truncated === > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 26 May 2003 19:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, I originally interprest the pivot to be at 4/22. And the BO could be 5/6. Or you could interpret the pivot point to be on 5/6 and BO on 5/15. To me, the two interpretations look to be right. If you see the chart on 5/6, do you think you would have the first interpretation? tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On STCR, I wouldn't agree the breakout was on 5/6. > It's easier to > demonstrate by looking first at the weekly chart, > where you can see the last > bit of action on the right side of the cup and then > the 1 week handle. > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCRWkly052303.JPG > > Here's a close-up of the daily action in the cup, > showing when the pivot > formed to start the handle and the subsequent > breakout on 5/15: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCR052303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of david rossing > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr > > > Tomas, > Thanks for the reply. > I've been holding USNA for a while now. I guess > i'll hold a little > longer and see if it goes on again from here. > > For STCR, I was actually looking at a pivot on 5/6 > of 12.3. Any > thoughts on what is the "right" pivot here? I > bought on the breakout > past that before I sent my questions last week. > > Dave > > --- Tomas wrote: > > Dave, > > > > USNA fundies looks good (it's on my watchlist). > The > > charts looks good. If you have it already, I > don't > > see any reason to sell yet. Looks like it's going > > sideway, swallowing the recent gains. > > > > As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it > is > > a little too late. The left side of cup is at > 1/30. > > Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at > $11.95. > > The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up > that > > day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure > if > > that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be > 5/14 at > > $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good > since it > > did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, > > currently, it is extended from the base for a buy > > point. > > > > The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. > The > > only thing I would worry about is the industry > > strength. That industry is definitely not one of > the > > better ones. > > > > just my $.02 > > tomas > > > > > > 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 > > > > --- david rossing > wrote: > > > I was just wondering about opinions on two > stocks. > > > > > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > > > been going up for a > > > while. It still looks like good earnings and > > > revenue growth. In the > > > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > > > increasing volume. On > > > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > > > action a good sell > > > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > > > > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what > looks > > > like a CWH to me. > > > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS > line is > > > not quite at new > > > highs in the breakout over the past two days and > the > > > industry doesn't > > > look great. > > > > > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 26 May 2003 23:14:43 EDT Katherine: I may be wrong; I'm not sure (it's kind of late at night for me). That's why I'm asking: The new shares being issued are about 20% (ie, 5Mill shares of about 24Mill). The '03 earnings in DGO are est. at increasing 30%, and '04 at 27%. Therefore, is it kosher to deduct the 20% from the 30% and 27% (making 30-6=24% and 27-5.4=21.6%), instead of converting to dollar amounts first and then seeing how much EPS increases? In a message dated 5/26/2003 10:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares,.. >> jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 26 May 2003 22:38:42 -0500 Hi Tomas, If I were looking at action on 5/6, I might have considered 4/22 as the pivot, but the "handle" is upward drifting along its lows and therefore poorly formed. My general conclusion in that case is that the right side of the cup hasn't yet finished off and that a proper handle hasn't yet formed, giving the all clear for a good setup and impending breakout. See the notes on my original daily chart demonstrating the upward drift from 4/22 until the real handle forms. In retrospect on a chart like this, you might say, "so what, it didn't pullback all that much in the actual handle and it broke out any way." Problem is, for every stock that looks like this, there are 20 that had a poorly formed handle, staged a false breakout and then rolled over into oblivion. Those aren't generally the stocks that come up for discussion, so the point gets lost in the parade of good stocks that worked. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:51 PM Katherine, I originally interprest the pivot to be at 4/22. And the BO could be 5/6. Or you could interpret the pivot point to be on 5/6 and BO on 5/15. To me, the two interpretations look to be right. If you see the chart on 5/6, do you think you would have the first interpretation? tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On STCR, I wouldn't agree the breakout was on 5/6. > It's easier to > demonstrate by looking first at the weekly chart, > where you can see the last > bit of action on the right side of the cup and then > the 1 week handle. > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCRWkly052303.JPG > > Here's a close-up of the daily action in the cup, > showing when the pivot > formed to start the handle and the subsequent > breakout on 5/15: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCR052303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of david rossing > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr > > > Tomas, > Thanks for the reply. > I've been holding USNA for a while now. I guess > i'll hold a little > longer and see if it goes on again from here. > > For STCR, I was actually looking at a pivot on 5/6 > of 12.3. Any > thoughts on what is the "right" pivot here? I > bought on the breakout > past that before I sent my questions last week. > > Dave > > --- Tomas wrote: > > Dave, > > > > USNA fundies looks good (it's on my watchlist). > The > > charts looks good. If you have it already, I > don't > > see any reason to sell yet. Looks like it's going > > sideway, swallowing the recent gains. > > > > As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it > is > > a little too late. The left side of cup is at > 1/30. > > Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at > $11.95. > > The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up > that > > day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure > if > > that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be > 5/14 at > > $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good > since it > > did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, > > currently, it is extended from the base for a buy > > point. > > > > The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. > The > > only thing I would worry about is the industry > > strength. That industry is definitely not one of > the > > better ones. > > > > just my $.02 > > tomas > > > > > > 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 > > > > --- david rossing > wrote: > > > I was just wondering about opinions on two > stocks. > > > > > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > > > been going up for a > > > while. It still looks like good earnings and > > > revenue growth. In the > > > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > > > increasing volume. On > > > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > > > action a good sell > > > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > > > > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what > looks > > > like a CWH to me. > > > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS > line is > > > not quite at new > > > highs in the breakout over the past two days and > the > > > industry doesn't > > > look great. > > > > > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerome Buckmelter" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 26 May 2003 21:24:13 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C323CD.291362B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Katherine, Wow! What an education on outstanding shares and spin-offs. I'm awestruck! Spencer makes a point that I never considered. Has the public offering been factored into the future estimates? Should I do that as Spencer suggests or do you think the analyst have already factored the public offering into the estimates? Thanks again for the thorough response to my inquiry. It is really appreciated. Jerome -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:11 PM Hi Jerome, The parent, Comverse, owns 79% (about 18.5m shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though the parent retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of situation you see when looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When you view managment ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K shares of a very small pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m shares) is actually available for general ownership. As a business strategy, the reason a company is spun off in the first place is to allow it to function as a stand alone business, separate from the less focused businesses in which the parent is involved. That focus allows a the spinoff to concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve advantage to the fullest so as to compete more effectively. In other words, it wouldn't make sense to judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent itself (CMVT), which is far less focused and in other businesses all together, is itself a CANSLIM quality business. That's essentially judging a business based on the quality of its shareholders rather than on the merits of the business itself. In a primary offering all the proceeds go to the company. Why would they sell more shares? To raise capital for various business needs. (They could have also issued debt to do the same thing but then they have the additional cash flow requirements to service the debt.) As to the offering, the best way to figure out why they're floating a primary is to read the S-3 statement itself. In this case, they state the proceeds will be used as follows: "We intend to use the net proceeds to finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. We may also use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other investments." Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/filing.php?repo=tenk &ipage=2160683&doc=1&num=7&total=106&count=1&pg=zc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P &TK=VRNT&CK=0001166388&FG=0&FC=000000&BK=FFFFFF&SC=ON&TC1=FFFFFF&TC2=FFF FFF&LK=0000FF&AL=FF0000&VL=800080 ) The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. In practicality, they must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow the business. If they do that, then they have *leveraged* the additional capital to the betterment of the business, and that will translate into accelerated growth, which is exactly what you want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. Given that common stock represents residual interest in the business, this is the quintessential us of "other people's money." In the short run, the additional shares in float can take a bit of time to absorb into the market place, and you may see price fall back a bit. In the long run, however, if the proceeds are used appropriately and investors see promise in the business as a result, they will bid up the price of the shares, which is again exactly what you would want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. In the DGO/IBD figures, they state the management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and mutual fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific example where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at it. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:48 PM I've noticed that VRNT has recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares. They currently have 3.98 million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding. Management owns only 3% (i.e., 700, 000 shares). What would be the status of the remaining shares? Could they all be registered as stock options? Why would the company want to double the float? Wouldn't doubling the float significantly diminish the price per share? Should this action be considered negative for the stock? Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn't doing well in terms of CANSLIM criteria. What possible impact could this have on the stock? Lastly, a general question: once in a while I notice that IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock. 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Katherine,<= /p>

Wow!  What an education on outstanding = shares and spin-offs.  I’m awestruck!  Spencer makes a = point that I never considered.  Has the public offering been factored into the future estimates?  Should I do that as Spencer = suggests or do you think the analyst have already factored the public offering into = the estimates?  Thanks again = for the thorough response to my inquiry.  = It is really appreciated.

Jerome

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: = Monday, May 26, = 2003 7:11 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = VRNT and new offering

 

Hi Jerome,

 

The parent, Comverse, owns 79% (about 18.5m shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though the = parent retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of situation you see = when looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When you view managment = ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K shares of a very small = pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m shares) is = actually available for general ownership. As a business strategy, the reason a = company is spun off in the first place is to allow it to function as a stand = alone business, separate from the less focused businesses in which the parent = is involved. That focus allows a the spinoff to concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve advantage to the fullest so as = to compete more effectively. In other words, it wouldn't make sense to = judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent itself (CMVT), which = is far less focused and in other businesses all together, is itself a CANSLIM = quality business. That's essentially judging a business based on the quality of = its shareholders rather than on the merits of the business = itself.

 

In a primary offering all the proceeds go to = the company. Why would they sell more shares? To raise capital for various = business needs. (They could have also issued debt to do the same thing but then = they have the additional cash flow requirements to service the debt.) As to = the offering, the best way to figure out why they're floating a primary is = to read the S-3 statement itself. In this case, they state the proceeds will be = used as follows:

 

"We intend to use the net proceeds to = finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. We may also = use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other investments." = Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/f= iling.php?repo=3Dtenk&ipage=3D2160683&doc=3D1&num=3D7&tot= al=3D106&count=3D1&pg=3Dzc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P&TK=3DVRNT&am= p;CK=3D0001166388&FG=3D0&FC=3D000000&BK=3DFFFFFF&SC=3DON&= amp;TC1=3DFFFFFF&TC2=3DFFFFFF&LK=3D0000FF&AL=3DFF0000&VL=3D= 800080 )

 

The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as = dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While = increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is = diluted across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. In = practicality, they must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow the business. If = they do that, then they have *leveraged* the additional capital to the = betterment of the business, and that will translate into accelerated growth, which is = exactly what you want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. Given that common stock represents residual interest in the business, this is the quintessential = us of "other people's money." In the short run, the additional = shares in float can take a bit of time to absorb into the market place, and you = may see price fall back a bit. In the long run, however, if the proceeds are = used appropriately and investors see promise in the business as a result, they will bid up = the price of the shares, which is again exactly what you would want to see = in a CANSLIM quality stock.

 

In the DGO/IBD figures, they state the = management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and mutual fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific example = where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at = it.

 

Katherine

 

 -----Original = Message-----
From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter
Sent: = Monday, May 26, = 2003 12:48 PM
To: 'CANSLIM LIST'
Subject: [CANSLIM] VRNT = and new offering

I‘ve noticed that = VRNT has recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares.  They currently have 3.98 = million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding.  Management owns only 3% (i.e., 700, 000 shares).  What would be the status of the remaining shares?  Could = they all be registered as stock options?  = Why would the company want to double the float?  Wouldn’t doubling the float significantly diminish the = price per share?  Should this action = be considered negative for the stock?

 

Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn’t doing well in = terms of CANSLIM criteria.   = What possible impact could this have on the = stock?

 

Lastly, a general = question:  once in a while I notice that = IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock.  How is that possible? 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C323CD.291362B0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 26 May 2003 23:29:35 -0500 Hi jans, I wouldn't make that conclusion at all. You're assuming that the dilution of earnings per share is permanent. The whole point of raising capital is to support continued growth. They obviously see this as a means for *meeting* the forward estimated growth rates (and possibly raising them). You may see some dilution in the near term, but that should dissipate. For example, let's say they use the capital for an acquisition. The additional revenues and earnings generated from the acquisition would raise their growth rate. Let's say they use it to buy a piece of manufacturing equipment that doubles their productivity. That raises their profit margins, allows them to produce twice the product in the same amount of time, and, if they sell the additional units they can now produce in the same amount of time, increases both revenues and earnings. As to the math generally, it gets a bit complicated because EPS is computed based on the average number of shares outstanding during the period. Just for that reason alone, I don't think mathematically you could get away with the kind of shortcut you're suggesting (though I don't know that for a fact!) Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 9:15 PM Katherine: I may be wrong; I'm not sure (it's kind of late at night for me). That's why I'm asking: The new shares being issued are about 20% (ie, 5Mill shares of about 24Mill). The '03 earnings in DGO are est. at increasing 30%, and '04 at 27%. Therefore, is it kosher to deduct the 20% from the 30% and 27% (making 30-6=24% and 27-5.4=21.6%), instead of converting to dollar amounts first and then seeing how much EPS increases? In a message dated 5/26/2003 10:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares,.. >> jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Date: 27 May 2003 07:44:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C32423.CDD2DEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Jerome. I doubt that forward estimates make the assumption that the company will be floating new shares, though when a company is fairly new or in acquisition mode, those doing the the future earnings estimates may have some probabilities built in for that in their model. I don't know that I'd get overly concerned about it either way, as forward estimates are only one thing to consider in the overall look at the preponderance of evidence. Another thing to consider is that if it knocks back their forward growth from, say 30% to 26-27% in the near term, that's *still* an acceptable CANSLIM growth rate. I see the numbers as less important than the consistency and trend of growth over time. If a company can sustain 25-35% over many years (without resorting to accounting fraud!), those are some some kick-butt managers. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:24 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Katherine, Wow! What an education on outstanding shares and spin-offs. I'm awestruck! Spencer makes a point that I never considered. Has the public offering been factored into the future estimates? Should I do that as Spencer suggests or do you think the analyst have already factored the public offering into the estimates? Thanks again for the thorough response to my inquiry. It is really appreciated. Jerome -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:11 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering Hi Jerome, The parent, Comverse, owns 79% (about 18.5m shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though the parent retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of situation you see when looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When you view managment ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K shares of a very small pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m shares) is actually available for general ownership. As a business strategy, the reason a company is spun off in the first place is to allow it to function as a stand alone business, separate from the less focused businesses in which the parent is involved. That focus allows a the spinoff to concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve advantage to the fullest so as to compete more effectively. In other words, it wouldn't make sense to judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent itself (CMVT), which is far less focused and in other businesses all together, is itself a CANSLIM quality business. That's essentially judging a business based on the quality of its shareholders rather than on the merits of the business itself. In a primary offering all the proceeds go to the company. Why would they sell more shares? To raise capital for various business needs. (They could have also issued debt to do the same thing but then they have the additional cash flow requirements to service the debt.) As to the offering, the best way to figure out why they're floating a primary is to read the S-3 statement itself. In this case, they state the proceeds will be used as follows: "We intend to use the net proceeds to finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. We may also use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other investments." Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/filing.php?repo=tenk&ipage=2160683&doc=1&num=7&total= 106&count=1&pg=zc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P&TK=VRNT&CK=0001166388&FG=0&FC=000000&BK= FFFFFF&SC=ON&TC1=FFFFFF&TC2=FFFFFF&LK=0000FF&AL=FF0000&VL=800080 ) The additional 5m shares will raise the total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite as dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the earnings, it is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. In practicality, they must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow the business. If they do that, then they have *leveraged* the additional capital to the betterment of the business, and that will translate into accelerated growth, which is exactly what you want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. Given that common stock represents residual interest in the business, this is the quintessential us of "other people's money." In the short run, the additional shares in float can take a bit of time to absorb into the market place, and you may see price fall back a bit. In the long run, however, if the proceeds are used appropriately and investors see promise in the business as a result, they will bid up the price of the shares, which is again exactly what you would want to see in a CANSLIM quality stock. In the DGO/IBD figures, they state the management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and mutual fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific example where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at it. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:48 PM To: 'CANSLIM LIST' Subject: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new offering I've noticed that VRNT has recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common shares. They currently have 3.98 million shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding. Management owns only 3% (i.e., 700, 000 shares). What would be the status of the remaining shares? Could they all be registered as stock options? Why would the company want to double the float? Wouldn't doubling the float significantly diminish the price per share? Should this action be considered negative for the stock? Also, Verint is owned as a subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn't doing well in terms of CANSLIM criteria. What possible impact could this have on the stock? Lastly, a general question: once in a while I notice that IBD indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given stock. How is that possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C32423.CDD2DEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Jerome.
 
I doubt that forward estimates = make the=20 assumption that the company will be floating new shares, though when a = company=20 is fairly new or in acquisition mode, those doing the the future = earnings=20 estimates may have some probabilities built in for that in their model. = I don't=20 know that I'd get overly concerned about it either way, as forward = estimates are=20 only one thing to consider in the overall look at the preponderance of = evidence.=20 Another thing to consider is that if it knocks back their forward growth = from,=20 say 30% to 26-27% in the near term, that's *still* an acceptable CANSLIM = growth=20 rate. I see the numbers as less important than the consistency and trend = of=20 growth over time. If a company can sustain 25-35% over many years = (without=20 resorting to accounting fraud!), those are some some kick-butt=20 managers.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerome=20 Buckmelter
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:24 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and = new=20 offering

Katherine,

Wow!  What an education on = outstanding shares=20 and spin-offs.  I’m=20 awestruck!  Spencer = makes a point=20 that I never considered.  Has the=20 public offering been factored into the future estimates?  Should I do that as Spencer = suggests or=20 do you think the analyst have already factored the public offering = into the=20 estimates?  Thanks again = for the=20 thorough response to my inquiry. =20 It is really appreciated.

Jerome

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Katherine = Malm
Sent:=20 Monday, = May 26,=20 2003 = 7:11=20 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] VRNT and = new=20 offering

 

Hi=20 Jerome,

 

The parent, Comverse, owns = 79% (about=20 18.5m shares) of the common. That is, VRNT is a spinoff, though = the=20 parent retains controlling interest. This is the same kind of = situation you=20 see when looking at APOL and their spinoff, UOPX, for example. When = you view=20 managment ownership in this case, you have to know that they own 700K = shares=20 of a very small pool available, as only 21% of the common (about 4.9m=20 shares) is actually available for general ownership. As a = business=20 strategy, the reason a company is spun off in the first place is to = allow it=20 to function as a stand alone business, separate from the less focused=20 businesses in which the parent is involved. That focus allows a the = spinoff to=20 concentrate on their core competencies and develop their competitve = advantage=20 to the fullest so as to compete more effectively. In other words, it = wouldn't=20 make sense to judge VRNT's business based on whether or not the parent = itself=20 (CMVT), which is far less focused and in other businesses all = together, is=20 itself a CANSLIM quality business. That's essentially judging a = business based=20 on the quality of its shareholders rather than on the merits of the = business=20 itself.

 

In a primary offering all the = proceeds go=20 to the company. Why would they sell more shares? To raise capital for = various=20 business needs. (They could have also issued debt to do the same thing = but=20 then they have the additional cash flow requirements to service the = debt.) As=20 to the offering, the best way to figure out why they're floating a = primary is=20 to read the S-3 statement itself. In this case, they state the = proceeds will=20 be used as follows:

 

"We intend to use the net = proceeds to=20 finance the growth of our business and for general corporate purposes. = We may=20 also use a portion of the proceeds for acquisitions or other = investments."=20 Reference: ( http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/f= iling.php?repo=3Dtenk&ipage=3D2160683&doc=3D1&num=3D7&tot= al=3D106&count=3D1&pg=3Dzc7Jz8nHzNHOz8rMxs3Kzc/P&TK=3DVRNT&am= p;CK=3D0001166388&FG=3D0&FC=3D000000&BK=3DFFFFFF&SC=3DON&= amp;TC1=3DFFFFFF&TC2=3DFFFFFF&LK=3D0000FF&AL=3DFF0000&VL=3D= 800080 )

 

The additional 5m shares will = raise the=20 total outstanding shares from 23.4 to 28.4m shares, so it's not quite = as=20 dramatic as it seems when you say they're "doubling the float." While=20 increasing the number of outstanding shares by 5m will dilute the = earnings, it=20 is diluted across the total *outstanding* shares, not just the float. = In=20 practicality, they must then invest the dollars raised wisely to grow = the=20 business. If they do that, then they have *leveraged* the additional = capital=20 to the betterment of the business, and that will translate into = accelerated=20 growth, which is exactly what you want to see in a CANSLIM quality = stock.=20 Given that common stock represents residual interest in the business, = this is=20 the quintessential us of "other people's money." In the short run, the = additional shares in float can take a bit of time to absorb into the = market=20 place, and you may see price fall back a bit. In the long run, = however, if the=20 proceeds are used appropriately and investors see promise in the = business as a=20 result, they will bid up the price of the shares, which is again = exactly what=20 you would want to see in a CANSLIM quality=20 stock.

 

In the DGO/IBD figures, they = state the=20 management ownership as a % of *outstanding* shares, and both bank and = mutual=20 fund ownership as a % of the *float.* You'd have to show a specific = example=20 where fund ownership was >100% so that we could look at=20 it.

 

Katherine

 

 -----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Jerome Buckmelter
Sent: Monday, May 26,=20 2003 = 12:48=20 PM
To: 'CANSLIM LIST'
Subject: [CANSLIM] VRNT and new = offering

I‘ve noticed = that VRNT has=20 recently registered a public offering for 5,000,000 common = shares.  They currently have 3.98 = million=20 shares in the float and 23.4 shares outstanding.  Management owns only 3% = (i.e., 700,=20 000 shares).  What = would be the=20 status of the remaining shares? =20 Could they all be registered as stock options?  Why would the company want = to double=20 the float?  = Wouldn’t doubling=20 the float significantly diminish the price per share?  Should this action be = considered=20 negative for the stock?

 

Also, Verint is owned = as a=20 subsidiary of Comverse Technologies which isn’t doing well in = terms of=20 CANSLIM criteria.   = What=20 possible impact could this have on the = stock?

 

Lastly, a general = question:  once in a while I notice = that IBD=20 indicates that fund ownership may exceed 100% for a given = stock.  How is that possible? =20 =

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C32423.CDD2DEB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: [CANSLIM] Unreasonable Goal Date: 27 May 2003 09:40:02 -0500 You are all focusing on getting to the $2MM dollar at age 40. "Retiring" at age 40 leaves you statistically with 44 years to go until your demise. If you spend $100,000, per year and you see NO inflation over that time, and invest in tax-free's earning 4% after tax you may spend your last dollar with your last breath. BUT why stop there, if you can continue your hypothetical rate of return 40% per year (x-taxes), at age 84 at your $2mm would be at $3,841,806,878,891.78. Be altruistic - give it all to the government and payoff a good portion of the federal debt or personally save social security and medicare or buy Spain. Think about the possibilities! Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:58 PM This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add between $5-$10K capital every year. I understand that there are many factors like - how discipline you are - how diligence you are - how persistent you are - how you learn from your mistake and do post analysis of your trades - and even how lucky you are. But assumption that the investor is decently good on those factors. What is your opinion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Unreasonable Goal Date: 27 May 2003 13:12:48 EDT Ed: LOL. Also, remember, altruism begins at our Canslim home. My address is... jans In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ed@macktracks.com writes: << ...BUT why stop there, if you can continue your hypothetical rate of return 40% per year (x-taxes), at age 84 at your $2mm would be at $3,841,806,878,891.78. Be altruistic - give it all to the government and payoff a good portion of the federal debt or personally save social security and medicare or buy Spain. Think about the possibilities! >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: [CANSLIM] WFSI Date: 27 May 2003 13:23:30 -0400 Any comments regarding WFSI? It seems that the PE is extremely low (around 8-9) in a business that is = growing. I see a CwH on this one but do not know if I can rate it or not. Regards, Pritish - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Unreasonable Goal Date: 27 May 2003 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Lol, you got a point there Ed. Hmmmm, now you got me thinking.... --- "Edward W. Gjertsen II" wrote: > You are all focusing on getting to the $2MM dollar > at age 40. > "Retiring" at age 40 leaves you statistically with > 44 years to go until > your demise. If you spend $100,000, per year and > you see NO inflation > over that time, and invest in tax-free's earning 4% > after tax you may > spend your last dollar with your last breath. BUT > why stop there, if > you can continue your hypothetical rate of return > 40% per year > (x-taxes), at age 84 at your $2mm would be at > $3,841,806,878,891.78. Be > altruistic - give it all to the government and > payoff a good portion of > the federal debt or personally save social security > and medicare or buy > Spain. Think about the possibilities! > > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, > including any attachments, > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and > may contain > confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail > and destroy all > copies of the original message. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:58 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is > to > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and > add > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > I understand that there are many factors like > - how discipline you are > - how diligence you are > - how persistent you are > - how you learn from your mistake and > do post analysis of your trades > - and even how lucky you are. > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > those factors. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chazmoore@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WFSI Date: 27 May 2003 18:55:47 EDT --part1_1e8.9925da2.2c0546f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pritish: I will get the ball rolling with a few comments. There is no question of a breakout today but I don't think it qualifies for a c/h. The right side of the cup completed above the left side, and a true handle never formed. However, it you held the stock at opening today you must be pleased. Charley --part1_1e8.9925da2.2c0546f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pritish: I will get th= e ball rolling with a few comments. There is no question of a breakout today= but I don't think it qualifies for a c/h. The right side of the cup complet= ed above the left side, and a true handle never formed. However, it you held= the stock at opening today you must be pleased.

Charley --part1_1e8.9925da2.2c0546f3_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david rossing Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr Date: 27 May 2003 18:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Katherine, I guess my original email may not have been clear, but I read the chart the same as you, with a breakout on May 15. Hopefully this means I'm starting to understand this a little like you experts! Thanks for the opinion on this and many others I've been reading while lurking. Tomas, Thanks for helping me rethink USNA. Helped me stay in for another 14% today. Thanks! Dave --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On STCR, I wouldn't agree the breakout was on 5/6. It's easier to > demonstrate by looking first at the weekly chart, where you can see > the last > bit of action on the right side of the cup and then the 1 week > handle. > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCRWkly052303.JPG > > Here's a close-up of the daily action in the cup, showing when the > pivot > formed to start the handle and the subsequent breakout on 5/15: > > http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/STCR052303.JPG > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of david rossing > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] usna, stcr > > > Tomas, > Thanks for the reply. > I've been holding USNA for a while now. I guess i'll hold a little > longer and see if it goes on again from here. > > For STCR, I was actually looking at a pivot on 5/6 of 12.3. Any > thoughts on what is the "right" pivot here? I bought on the breakout > past that before I sent my questions last week. > > Dave > > --- Tomas wrote: > > Dave, > > > > USNA fundies looks good (it's on my watchlist). The > > charts looks good. If you have it already, I don't > > see any reason to sell yet. Looks like it's going > > sideway, swallowing the recent gains. > > > > As for STCR, if you are looking to buy, I think it is > > a little too late. The left side of cup is at 1/30. > > Pivot point is on 4/22(beginning of handle) at $11.95. > > The BO could be 5/6 at $12.37. Volume was up that > > day, but price did not go up that much. Not sure if > > that is a good BO. Maybe a better BO would be 5/14 at > > $12.45. A buy at either BO day would be good since it > > did not go below %8 of the buy point. However, > > currently, it is extended from the base for a buy > > point. > > > > The fundies looks good. Good earnings and RS. The > > only thing I would worry about is the industry > > strength. That industry is definitely not one of the > > better ones. > > > > just my $.02 > > tomas > > > > > > 4-4 6.82/7 8.75/11 15.57/18 > > > > --- david rossing wrote: > > > I was just wondering about opinions on two stocks. > > > > > > USNA broke out of a base back in October and has > > > been going up for a > > > while. It still looks like good earnings and > > > revenue growth. In the > > > past week or so, the price has been dropping on > > > increasing volume. On > > > Friday, it went up on low volume. Is this price > > > action a good sell > > > signal to get out, or maybe just a yellow flag? > > > > > > The second is STCR. It just broke out of what looks > > > like a CWH to me. > > > It has good earnings and rev growth. The RS line is > > > not quite at new > > > highs in the breakout over the past two days and the > > > industry doesn't > > > look great. > > > > > > Any opinions on fundamentals or charts would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: Lagging RSLines (was: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out) Date: 27 May 2003 20:22:04 -0500 Hi jans, Your comment about the leaders showing lagging RSLines peaked my interest. So, here's my personal impressions along with some statistics to back them up... I think the bottom line is that when you have a group of early leaders that break out early in a rally, the leaders' RSLines will likely pull back for a couple of reasons. First, it's not uncommon for a strong stock to pause along its rising price path. When this pause occurs while the rest of the market is not particularly strong, the RSLines of these leaders will continue to rise because their sideways price action will still be outperforming a market where prices as a whole are not rising particularly quickly (or at all). However, if the stock is pausing while additional monies are flowing into the market in general and market prices are rising, this pause in the leaders' price action will translate into a pullback in the RSLine. Second, if instead, the leaders do indeed continue to rise, but at a time when the market as a whole is strong and getting stronger, then the RSLines will fall back, because the rise is relative to a market where prices are increasing at a fast clip. In other words, the positive divergence between the price action of the leaders and the rest of the market begins to dissipate as the market gets stronger. To illustrate this in action, I took all the cup with handle (cwh) breakouts for the month prior to and after the follow thru day on 3/17/03. While this doesn't represent *all* breakouts during the period, it's a very good barometer, because the cwh pattern is by far the most common intermediate term pattern. I chose the 2 months around the FTD so that I could have a steady state group of "leaders" and then measure their technical condition against the market as a whole between the beginning of that period and 5/23/03 (which is when I prepared the stats). For the period between 2/17/03 and 4/17/03, there were 71 distinct stocks that broke out. I used the same methodology we use for measuring the industry scores for use in assigining industry rank and then measured that group score from 2/17 through 5/23. The score is derived by assigning points to each stock based on the RSRank, % off 52 week high, price relative to the 50dMA, price relative to the 200dMA, an 50 realtive to 200dMA. (For a more in depth description, see http://www.breakoutwatch.com/industry_methodology.htm ) Here is a graph of the score for this group of leaders against the market as a whole: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsGroupA.jpg Notice that wile the group as a whole has pulled back in score ever so slightly, it is still at a very high value of 90 out of a possible 100. Notice also that the market as whole has been very strong during this period, rising very steadily. What that translates into is a pause in the action of the leaders that is very mild against a strengthening market. That would mean that the RSLines would then fall back a bit. Here's another view point to demonstrate the strength of the market during that same period: First is the total number of cwh breakouts by week: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsByWk.jpg Notice the dearth of breakouts in mid-2002 and the more recent increase. You can also see the increase in the total number of cwh breakouts by looking at the cumulative number since the 10/10/2 market low: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsCumul.jpg We're now up to more than 300 cumulative breakouts and the rate of breakouts per week has accelerated since mid March when we posted the FTD. Here's another viewpoint to show the cwh breakouts action. This is a rolling total. At any point in time, the number you see shows the total number of breakouts over the prior 13 week period: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsRolling13wks.jpg Notice how the cumulative total rose into late 2002, then churned a bit until about 2/21/3. That's about 1 month prior to the FTD 3/17/3 and corresponds to the beginning of the period I selected for highlighting the "leaders" in the rally. Now, one last view to show the strength of the breakouts and the market as a whole during the latest 13 week period. I've taken three 13 week periods and measured the action of the cwh breakouts during each of those periods. The chart shows the price action of the breakouts 3 weeks after they originally broke out. I used 3 weeks, because WON often suggests that we look to see not only *how many* stocks are setting up and breaking out, but also *how strong* those breakouts are in the first few weeks of their breakout: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/PctIncAfterBO.JPG Notice that for the period 11/25/02 through 2/21/03 that only 1.3% of breakouts were up >=20% and only about 16% were up 5% or more in the first 3 weeks. The number of failures (down more than 8% in the first 3 weeks) was also very high, 25% of all the breakouts. However, in the latest 13 week period (2/24/03 through 5/23/03), 12.7% of the breakouts during the period are up >=20%, and 47% are up >=5%. At the same time, failures are down considerably at 7.8% of the total breakouts during the period. Looking at the performance to date of all breakouts during the latest 13 week period, 57.2% are now up >=5% since their breakout and only 6% have failed. Bottom line.... the leaders are still strong (average technical score for the group 90 out of 100) + market continues to serve up more breakouts + market continues to serve up successful breakouts and shows a small % of failed breakouts = RSLines of the leaders will fall back a bit. That said, this is a record of the market as it is today. If the number of breakouts begins to wane, if the price action of breakouts falls back, if breakouts begin to fail, and/or if the price/volume action in the indexes begins to show churning and/or distribution, then those would be signs the rally is over. By itself, a slight pullback in the RSLines of the leaders does not, by itself indicate problems. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:53 PM Charley: I don't know if its my gut (or just indigestion due to my uncertainty), but a lot of leaders seem to me to have lagging or weak Relative Strength Lines. To me, when the leaders portray this, it indicates that not too many funds are interested in buying (ie. they expect a correction shortly). This is just an impression I have from looking look at a lot of charts everyday; it is not based on any rigorous statistical analysis (alà what Katherine might do-to all our benefits, I should accurately add). jans In a message dated 5/22/2003 4:53:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chazmoore@aol.com writes: << SHFL closed at $25.00 on volume that was up over 423%, clearly indicating strong buying pressure, but not enough to push the price much over the pivot. Tomorrow could be interesting. My gut tells me there may be more sellers lurking around waiting to get out. Notice that the handle volume did not really dry up that much. Charley >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "inderjit" Subject: RE: Lagging RSLines (was: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking Out) Date: 27 May 2003 22:00:18 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C3249B.5D611480 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A5_01C3249B.5D65CF70" ------=_NextPart_001_00A5_01C3249B.5D65CF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Break-Out Flashing Image =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:22 PM =20 =20 Hi jans, =20 Your comment about the leaders showing lagging RSLines peaked my interest. So, here's my personal impressions along with some statistics to back them up... =20 I think the bottom line is that when you have a group of early leaders that break out early in a rally, the leaders' RSLines will likely pull back for a couple of reasons. First, it's not uncommon for a strong stock to pause along its rising price path. When this pause occurs while the rest of the market is not particularly strong, the RSLines of these leaders will continue to rise because their sideways price action will still be outperforming a market where prices as a whole are not rising particularly quickly (or at all). However, if the stock is pausing while additional monies are flowing into the market in general and market prices are rising, this pause in the leaders' price action will translate into a pullback in the RSLine. Second, if instead, the leaders do indeed continue to rise, but at a time when the market as a whole is strong and getting stronger, then the RSLines will fall back, because the rise is relative to a market where prices are increasing at a fast clip. In other words, the positive divergence between the price action of the leaders and the rest of the market begins to dissipate as the market gets stronger. =20 To illustrate this in action, I took all the cup with handle (cwh) breakouts for the month prior to and after the follow thru day on 3/17/03. While this doesn't represent *all* breakouts during the period, it's a very good barometer, because the cwh pattern is by far the most common intermediate term pattern. I chose the 2 months around the FTD so that I could have a steady state group of "leaders" and then measure their technical condition against the market as a whole between the beginning of that period and 5/23/03 (which is when I prepared the stats). For the period between 2/17/03 and 4/17/03, there were 71 distinct stocks that broke out. I used the same methodology we use for measuring the industry scores for use in assigining industry rank and then measured that group score from 2/17 through 5/23. The score is derived by assigning points to each stock based on the RSRank, % off 52 week high, price relative to the 50dMA, price relative to the 200dMA, an 50 realtive to 200dMA. (For a more in depth description, see http://www.breakoutwatch.com/industry_methodology.htm ) =20 Here is a graph of the score for this group of leaders against the market as a whole: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsGroupA.jpg =20 Notice that wile the group as a whole has pulled back in score ever so slightly, it is still at a very high value of 90 out of a possible 100. Notice also that the market as whole has been very strong during this period, rising very steadily. What that translates into is a pause in the action of the leaders that is very mild against a strengthening market. That would mean that the RSLines would then fall back a bit. =20 Here's another view point to demonstrate the strength of the market during that same period: =20 First is the total number of cwh breakouts by week: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsByWk.jpg Notice the dearth of breakouts in mid-2002 and the more recent increase. =20 You can also see the increase in the total number of cwh breakouts by looking at the cumulative number since the 10/10/2 market low: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsCumul.jpg We're now up to more than 300 cumulative breakouts and the rate of breakouts per week has accelerated since mid March when we posted the FTD. =20 Here's another viewpoint to show the cwh breakouts action. This is a rolling total. At any point in time, the number you see shows the total number of breakouts over the prior 13 week period: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsRolling13wks.jpg Notice how the cumulative total rose into late 2002, then churned a bit until about 2/21/3. That's about 1 month prior to the FTD 3/17/3 and corresponds to the beginning of the period I selected for highlighting the "leaders" in the rally. =20 Now, one last view to show the strength of the breakouts and the market as a whole during the latest 13 week period. I've taken three 13 week periods and measured the action of the cwh breakouts during each of those periods. The chart shows the price action of the breakouts 3 weeks after they originally broke out. I used 3 weeks, because WON often suggests that we look to see not only *how many* stocks are setting up and breaking out, but also *how strong* those breakouts are in the first few weeks of their breakout: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/PctIncAfterBO.JPG =20 Notice that for the period 11/25/02 through 2/21/03 that only 1.3% of breakouts were up >=3D20% and only about 16% were up 5% or more in the first 3 weeks. The number of failures (down more than 8% in the first 3 weeks) was also very high, 25% of all the breakouts. However, in the latest 13 week period (2/24/03 through 5/23/03), 12.7% of the breakouts during the period are up >=3D20%, and 47% are up >=3D5%. At the same time, failures are = down considerably at 7.8% of the total breakouts during the period. Looking at the performance to date of all breakouts during the latest 13 week period, 57.2% are now up >=3D5% since their breakout and only 6% have failed. =20 Bottom line.... the leaders are still strong (average technical score for the group 90 out of 100) + market continues to serve up more breakouts + market continues to serve up successful breakouts and shows a small % of failed breakouts =3D RSLines of the leaders will fall back a bit. =20 That said, this is a record of the market as it is today. If the number of breakouts begins to wane, if the price action of breakouts falls back, if breakouts begin to fail, and/or if the price/volume action in the indexes begins to show churning and/or distribution, then those would be signs the rally is over. By itself, a slight pullback in the RSLines of the leaders does not, by itself indicate problems. =20 Katherine =20 =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:53 PM =20 =20 Charley: =20 I don't know if its my gut (or just indigestion due to my uncertainty), but a lot of leaders seem to me to have lagging or weak Relative Strength Lines. To me, when the leaders portray this, it indicates that not too many funds are interested in buying (ie. they expect a correction shortly). =20 This is just an impression I have from looking look at a lot of charts everyday; it is not based on any rigorous statistical analysis (al=E0 = what Katherine might do-to all our benefits, I should accurately add). =20 jans =20 =20 In a message dated 5/22/2003 4:53:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chazmoore@aol.com writes: =20 << SHFL closed at $25.00 on volume that was up over 423%, clearly indicating strong buying pressure, but not enough to push the price much over the pivot. Tomorrow could be interesting. My gut tells me there may be more sellers lurking around waiting to get out. Notice that the handle volume did not really dry up that much. =20 Charley >> =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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3D"Break-Out

 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine = Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:22 = PM
Out)

 

 

Hi jans,

 

Your comment about the leaders showing lagging RSLines peaked my interest.

So, here's my personal impressions along with some statistics to = back them

up...

 

I think the bottom line is that when you have a group of early = leaders that

break out early in a rally, the leaders' RSLines will likely = pull back for a

couple of reasons. First, it's not uncommon for a strong stock = to pause

along its rising price path. When this pause occurs while the = rest of the

market is not particularly strong, the RSLines of these leaders = will

continue to rise because their sideways price action will still = be

outperforming a market where prices as a whole are not rising particularly

quickly (or at all). However, if the stock is pausing while = additional

monies are flowing into the market in general and market prices = are rising,

this pause in the leaders' price action will translate into a = pullback in

the RSLine. Second, if instead, the leaders do indeed continue = to rise, but

at a time when the market as a whole is strong and getting = stronger, then

the RSLines will fall back, because the rise is relative to a = market where

prices are increasing at a fast clip. In other words, the = positive

divergence between the price action of the leaders and the rest = of the

market begins to dissipate as the market gets = stronger.

 

To illustrate this in action, I took all the cup with handle = (cwh) breakouts

for the month prior to and after the follow thru day on = 3/17/03. While = this

doesn't represent *all* breakouts during the period, it's a very = good

barometer, because the cwh pattern is by far the most common intermediate

term pattern. I chose the 2 months around the FTD so that I = could=A0 have = a

steady state group of "leaders" and then measure their technical condition

against the market as a whole between the beginning of that = period and

5/23/03 (which is when I prepared the stats). For the period between 2/17/03

and 4/17/03, there were 71 distinct stocks that broke out. I used the = same

methodology we use for measuring the industry scores for use in assigining

industry rank and then measured that group score from 2/17 = through 5/23. The

score is derived by assigning points to each stock based on the = RSRank, %

off 52 week high, price relative to the 50dMA, price relative to = the 200dMA,

an 50 realtive to 200dMA. (For a more in depth description, = see

http://www.breakoutwatch.com/industry_methodology.htm = )

 

Here is a graph of the score for this group of leaders against = the market as

a whole:

http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsGroupA.jpg

 

Notice that wile the group as a whole has pulled back in score = ever so

slightly, it is still at a very high value of 90 out of a = possible 100.

Notice also that the market as whole has been very strong during = this

period, rising very steadily. What that translates into is a = pause in the

action of the leaders that is very mild against a strengthening = market. That

would mean that the RSLines would then fall back a = bit.

 

Here's another view point to demonstrate the strength of the = market during

that same period:

 

First is the total number of cwh breakouts by = week:

http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsByWk.jpg

Notice the dearth of breakouts in mid-2002 and the more recent increase.

 

You can also see the increase in the total number of cwh = breakouts by

looking at the cumulative number since the = 10/10/2 market = low:

http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsCumul.jpg

We're now up to more than 300 cumulative breakouts and the rate = of breakouts

per week has accelerated since mid March when we posted the = FTD.

 

Here's another viewpoint to show the cwh breakouts action. This = is a rolling

total. At any point in time, the number you see shows the total = number of

breakouts over the prior 13 week = period:

http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/cwhBreakoutsRolling13wks.jpg

Notice how the cumulative total rose into late 2002, then = churned a bit

until about 2/21/3. That's about 1 month prior to the FTD 3/17/3 and

corresponds to the beginning of the period I selected for = highlighting the

"leaders" in the rally.

 

Now, one last view to show the strength of the breakouts and the = market as a

whole during the latest 13 week period. I've taken three 13 week periods and

measured the action of the cwh breakouts during each of those = periods. The

chart shows the price action of the breakouts 3 weeks after they originally

broke out. I used 3 weeks, because WON often suggests that we = look to see

not only *how many* stocks are setting up and breaking out, but = also *how

strong* those breakouts are in the first few weeks of their = breakout:

http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/PctIncAfterBO.JPG

 

Notice that for the period 11/25/02 through 2/21/03 that only 1.3% of

breakouts were up >=3D20% and only about 16% were up 5% or = more in the first 3

weeks. The number of failures (down more than 8% in the first 3 = weeks) was

also very high, 25% of all the breakouts. However, in the latest = 13 week

period (2/24/03 through 5/23/03), 12.7% of the breakouts during the period

are up >=3D20%, and 47% are up >=3D5%. At the same time, = failures are down

considerably at 7.8% of the total breakouts during the period. = Looking at

the performance to date of all breakouts during the latest 13 = week period,

57.2% are now up >=3D5% since their breakout and only 6% have = failed.

 

Bottom line.... the leaders are still strong (average technical = score for

the group 90 out of 100) + market continues to serve up more = breakouts +

market continues to serve up successful breakouts and shows a = small % of

failed breakouts =3D RSLines of the leaders will fall back a = bit.

 

That said, this is a record of the market as it is today. If the = number of

breakouts begins to wane, if the price action of breakouts falls = back, if

breakouts begin to fail, and/or if the price/volume action in = the indexes

begins to show churning and/or distribution, then those would be = signs the

rally is over. By itself, a slight pullback in the RSLines of = the leaders

does not, by itself indicate = problems.

 

Katherine

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com

[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Spencer48@aol.com

Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:53 = PM

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHFL Breaking = Out

 

 

Charley:

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0 I don't = know if its my gut (or just indigestion due to my = uncertainty),

but a lot of leaders seem to me to have lagging or weak Relative Strength

Lines.=A0 To me, when = the leaders portray this, it indicates that not too = many

funds

are interested in buying (ie. they expect a correction = shortly).

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0 This is = just an impression I have from looking look at a lot of charts

everyday; it is not based on any rigorous statistical analysis = (al=E0 what

Katherine might do-to all our benefits, I should accurately = add).

 

jans

 

 

In a message dated 5/22/2003 4:53:45 PM Eastern Daylight = Time,

Chazmoore@aol.com writes:

 

<< SHFL closed at $25.00 on volume that was up over 423%, = clearly indicating

=A0strong buying = pressure, but not enough to push the price much over the

pivot.

=A0Tomorrow could be = interesting. My gut tells me there may be more sellers

lurking

=A0around waiting to get = out. Notice that the handle volume did not really = dry

up

=A0that = much.

 

=A0Charley = >>

 

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-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or

-"unsubscribe canslim".=A0 Do not use quotes in your email.

 

 

 

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WFSI Date: 27 May 2003 19:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Hmmm, the fundies are decent. Not one of the top five in the industry. I think I agree with Charley, there does seem to be a handle. I know that a handle can be above the left side of the cup. But I read it should gap up on the right side for the cup to form the handle above the left side. So, I'm not sure if it has form a proper handle yet. just my $.02 tomas --- Chazmoore@aol.com wrote: > Hi Pritish: I will get the ball rolling with a few > comments. There is no > question of a breakout today but I don't think it > qualifies for a c/h. The right > side of the cup completed above the left side, and a > true handle never formed. > However, it you held the stock at opening today you > must be pleased. > > Charley > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david rossing Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WFSI Date: 27 May 2003 20:26:19 -0700 (PDT) I think the part that bothers me about the chart more than the handle quality is the lack of a run up to the cup. You could argue that there is a run from last August, but then you end up with almost a 100% cup depth, which seems like way too much. If you look at a 5 year chart, you can find a run up from a low in 1999, but then it doesn't look to much like a CWH any more. Just my thoughts. Dave --- Tomas wrote: > Hmmm, the fundies are decent. Not one of the top five > in the industry. > > I think I agree with Charley, there does seem to be a > handle. I know that a handle can be above the left > side of the cup. But I read it should gap up on the > right side for the cup to form the handle above the > left side. So, I'm not sure if it has form a proper > handle yet. > > just my $.02 > tomas > > > --- Chazmoore@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Pritish: I will get the ball rolling with a few > > comments. There is no > > question of a breakout today but I don't think it > > qualifies for a c/h. The right > > side of the cup completed above the left side, and a > > true handle never formed. > > However, it you held the stock at opening today you > > must be pleased. > > > > Charley > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 27 May 2003 20:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 00:53:51 EDT --part1_50.1d4e951f.2c059adf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in USNA and sold around 28, a little too soon. I too would like to reenter but my target is 22.5 may never see this price, if not no big deal many other better stocks out there. I view today's action more of a blow out at the top, and would not consider buying. JMO Chris --part1_50.1d4e951f.2c059adf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was in USNA and sold around 28, a little too soon. I= too would like to reenter but my target is 22.5 may never see this price, i= f not no big deal many other better stocks out there. I view today's action=20= more of a blow out at the top, and would not consider buying. JMO

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Salisbury Subject: [CANSLIM] [Fwd: Annual Index Returns] Date: 28 May 2003 07:01:24 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080101050502050605050300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------080101050502050605050300 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Annual Index Returns" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Annual Index Returns" Return-Path: Delivered-To: jeff.salisbury@wallstreet-llc.com Received: (qmail 31931 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 11:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mgr5.xmission.com) (198.60.22.205) by www.cgrc.net with SMTP; 28 May 2003 11:10:29 -0000 Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Kyx8-0008B1-05 for \jeff.salisbury@wallstreet-llc.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:42 -0600 Received: from [198.60.22.230] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Kyx8-0008Av-05 for \jeff.salisbury@wallstreet-llc.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:42 -0600 Received: from [198.60.22.204] (helo=mgr4.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Kyx8-00082r-00 for mcjathan@xmission.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:42 -0600 Received: from mail by mgr4.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Kyx7-0004iX-04 for mcjathan@xmission.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:42 -0600 Received: from [198.60.22.7] (helo=lists.xmission.com) by mgr4.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Kyx7-0004iU-04 for mcjathan@xmission.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:41 -0600 Received: from [206.46.170.106] (helo=out006.verizon.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 19Kyx7-0001s5-00 for owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:18:41 -0600 Received: from jd ([208.36.232.66]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030528111837.RTXD25800.out006.verizon.net@jd> for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c3250a$f9aef7c0$cd64a8c0@x.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C324E9.729D57C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [208.36.232.66] at Wed, 28 May 2003 06:18:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none version=2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C324E9.729D57C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am attaching two Excel spreadsheets that list the annual index returns from 1987 to 2002. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] [Fwd: Annual Index Returns] Date: 28 May 2003 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Thanks Jeff. Good reference. tomas --- Jeff Salisbury wrote: > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 name=Annual Index Returns > From: "Jim Daniels" > To: > Subject: Annual Index Returns > Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:19:15 -0400 > > Hi All, > > I am attaching two Excel spreadsheets that list the > annual index returns > from 1987 to 2002. Though not CANSLIM, they may be > of use to someone. > > I scanned these and then put them into Excel, so > pardon any errors. > > Jim > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/vnd.ms-excel name=Index Returns 01.xls > ATTACHMENT part 2.3 application/vnd.ms-excel name=Index Returns 02.xls __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately sell. I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 08:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately sell. I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately sell. I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Triffet Subject: Re: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Sorry about the multiple replies. I'm using Earthlinks webmail and it's having hiccups... -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/28/03 08:45 AM > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately sell. I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 12:15:18 -0400 I have been thinking about CyberTrader. It supposedly allows you to enter = a complex buy decision. You can supposedly say that if the price is x and = the projected volume is y, then buy the stock. You can also put in the = sell orders before you buy and you can have multiple sell orders. Regards, Pritish >>> btriffet@earthlink.net 05/28/03 10:45AM >>> Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order = just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd = check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately= sell.=20 I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not = been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM >=20 > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today.=20 I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts?=20 Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 11:16:36 -0500 Hi Tomas, I think there are a few different options if you can't monitor the market intraday. These require that you first select the stocks that you want to monitor for breakout, so if something moves that was not on your radar, then you will not see it: (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit order. This will be executed based on price, so you still have to check in sometime before the end of the day to ensure that the volume requirements were also met. If not, then you have to be willing to sell the position. (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand alone) that allows you set price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text based pager or wireless PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to monitor and you will have to be able to interrupt your business at hand to check in on the market and make the trade if the projected volume is sufficient. (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks you are watching are nearing a breakout at that point, place a market order or a buy stop/limit order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check actual volume at day's end and sell if necessary as with option 1. This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even if the stock wasn't originally on your radar. The easiest way to find these is to look for stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of ADV (either by using the "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical program that lets you scan for stocks): (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have broken out and are still within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be able to see the actual volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, as you noted is that the stock may very well be extended beyond the buying range and you'll have to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and provides a second chance entry. This last option does not require that you already have a stock on your radar in order to see an attempted breakout intraday: (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) that automatically sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing pattern is breaking out. This can go to your email, text based pager or wireless PDA address. The advantage over any of the other options is that you do not have to seek out the stock in question to determine if it is setting up and when/if it attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. As with option 1, however, the intraday alerts are based on projected volume, so if you choose to execute an order and end of day volume does not pan out, you'll have to be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you can wait until near mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, but then you risk missing the breakout price window. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with non-investment jobs... In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make a buy/limit order just above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it executed. If it did, I'd check to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is low, I'd immediately sell. I've also been setting hard stops immediately after the buy as I've not been able to track the market as much during the day. -- Bill -------Original Message------- Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base today. I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in for awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do you get a position in when the BO is so strong and so fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of the day. How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? Maybe something else? How has your alert system been working for ya? Any other suggestion? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Duane Runnels" Subject: [CANSLIM] Indexes Date: 28 May 2003 11:15:01 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3250A.6181C0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While we're on the subject of indexes, there's a question I've been = meaning to ask the group. If (while) you're not fully invested, is your = cash really in CASH? Or do you keep a percentage in an index fund or = ETF like QQQ? =20 If "M" is good, I'm position sizing my holdings, but still have cash on = hand. Some of my "cash" is in SPY and QQQ, outperforming my money = market, while I'm trying to figure out my next position. In fact, I = still have some CDs and mutual funds left over from my "I'm too busy and = ignorant to mess with this stuff" days. What do the rest of you do with your "cash"? ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3250A.6181C0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While we're on the subject of = indexes,=20 there's a question I've been meaning to ask the group.  If (while) = you're=20 not fully invested, is your cash really in CASH?  Or do you keep a=20 percentage in an index fund or ETF like QQQ?  =
 
If "M" is good, I'm position = sizing my=20 holdings, but still have cash on hand.  Some of my "cash" is = in SPY=20 and QQQ, outperforming my money market, while I'm trying to figure out = my next=20 position.  In fact, I still have some CDs and mutual funds left = over from=20 my "I'm too busy and ignorant to mess with this stuff"=20 days.
 
What do the rest of you do with = your=20 "cash"?
 
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3250A.6181C0E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Indexes Date: 28 May 2003 11:27:49 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3250C.2B353B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Duane, "Cash" or near cash is supposed to be a riskless or very low risk option for being out of the market. If you're putting "cash" into ETF's, index funds or cubes, then it's not risk free and is instead "in the market." While the risks are a bit different than that for individual equities, it's still real and you're still at the mercy of "the market." Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duane Runnels Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:15 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Indexes While we're on the subject of indexes, there's a question I've been meaning to ask the group. If (while) you're not fully invested, is your cash really in CASH? Or do you keep a percentage in an index fund or ETF like QQQ? If "M" is good, I'm position sizing my holdings, but still have cash on hand. Some of my "cash" is in SPY and QQQ, outperforming my money market, while I'm trying to figure out my next position. In fact, I still have some CDs and mutual funds left over from my "I'm too busy and ignorant to mess with this stuff" days. What do the rest of you do with your "cash"? ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3250C.2B353B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Duane,
 
"Cash" or near cash is supposed to = be a=20 riskless or very low risk option for being out of the market. If you're = putting=20 "cash" into ETF's, index funds or cubes, then it's not risk free = and is=20 instead "in the market." While the risks are a bit different than that=20 for individual equities, it's still real and you're still at the = mercy of=20 "the market."
 
Katherine
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From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duane=20 Runnels
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:15 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 Indexes

While we're on the subject of = indexes,=20 there's a question I've been meaning to ask the group.  If = (while) you're=20 not fully invested, is your cash really in CASH?  Or do you keep = a=20 percentage in an index fund or ETF like QQQ?  =
 
If "M" is good, I'm position = sizing my=20 holdings, but still have cash on hand.  Some of my "cash" is = in SPY=20 and QQQ, outperforming my money market, while I'm trying to figure out = my next=20 position.  In fact, I still have some CDs and mutual funds left = over from=20 my "I'm too busy and ignorant to mess with this stuff"=20 days.
 
What do the rest of you do = with your=20 "cash"?
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3250C.2B353B50-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 15:28:32 -0400 Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with this stock. It has = lost $5 in price in the last hour. Regards, Pritish - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 14:35:19 -0500 Hi Pritish, From briefing.com: May 28 2003 2:48 PM In Play APPX follow-up 31.03 -3.03: Not hearing anything specific on reason for APPX weakness. Trading desks we've spoken with saying weakness appears due to momentum players taking profits. May 28 2003 2:31 PM In Play Volume Alert -- American Pharm comes under heavy sell pressure intraday (APPX) 32.80 -1.21: Stock has given up almost 2 points in about 15 minutes. -Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Pritish Shah Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:29 PM Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with this stock. It has lost $5 in price in the last hour. Regards, Pritish - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 09:44:07 -1000 Pritish I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made about $8,000 profit but was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day well atleast I made something Roger ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with this stock. It has lost $5 in price in the last hour. Regards, Pritish - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 13:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Hmmm... Not should how to interpret this. Not sure what I am going to do with this stock. Was in meetings all day, so just found out about the big price drop. Another example why I need to put an alert system in place... 3:46PM More on APPX 30.06 -3.95: -- Update -- Shares of heavily-shorted APPX are trading near their session lows heading into the close; traders point to a number of negative rumors that could account for this afternoon's selloff (i.e. co may have pulled out of a healthcare conference, possible SEC investigation, possible toxicities associated with ABI-007, etc), but we can't confirm any of these and rumors such as these should be viewed skeptically given the high short interest (100% of the float). --- Roger wrote: > Pritish > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made > about $8,000 profit but > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day > well atleast I made > something > Roger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pritish Shah" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is > happening > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with > this stock. It has lost > $5 in price in the last hour. > > Regards, > Pritish > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 13:54:49 -0700 (PDT) BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half the orginal gain... but can't be too greedy :). tomas --- Roger wrote: > Pritish > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made > about $8,000 profit but > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day > well atleast I made > something > Roger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pritish Shah" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is > happening > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with > this stock. It has lost > $5 in price in the last hour. > > Regards, > Pritish > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 12:22:17 -1000 Tomas Right I am very happy with the $8,000 I was just about to sell when my Gain when to 25% which it was but I got a overseas phone call. Was on the line for an hour when I got back to my PC APPX was down $4 I couldn't believe. When it go to just under$31 I got out..Well now I am looking for another to buy.. I try to buy 2000 sh for those under 30 and 1,500 or 1,000 for those above depending. Well I will keep my eyes open for another Roger ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:54 AM > BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half the orginal > gain... but can't be too greedy :). > > tomas > > --- Roger wrote: > > Pritish > > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made > > about $8,000 profit but > > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day > > well atleast I made > > something > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pritish Shah" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is > > happening > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with > > this stock. It has lost > > $5 in price in the last hour. > > > > Regards, > > Pritish > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Jaenike Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening Date: 28 May 2003 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) --0-1372376076-1054162966=:46604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From what I can tell, three rumors circulated today: 1. the company pulled out of a UBS healthcare conference. 2. The SEC is investigating the CEO, Patrick Soon-Shiong, for violations of Reg FD 3. Some negative research or comments from Avalon Research regarding the toxicity of APPX's experimental anti-cancer drug ABI-007. As I understand it, the first 2 are most likely false, the third is possibly true. Eric Roger wrote: Tomas Right I am very happy with the $8,000 I was just about to sell when my Gain when to 25% which it was but I got a overseas phone call. Was on the line for an hour when I got back to my PC APPX was down $4 I couldn't believe. When it go to just under$31 I got out..Well now I am looking for another to buy.. I try to buy 2000 sh for those under 30 and 1,500 or 1,000 for those above depending. Well I will keep my eyes open for another Roger ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:54 AM > BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half the orginal > gain... but can't be too greedy :). > > tomas > > --- Roger wrote: > > Pritish > > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made > > about $8,000 profit but > > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day > > well atleast I made > > something > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pritish Shah" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is > > happening > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with > > this stock. It has lost > > $5 in price in the last hour. > > > > Regards, > > Pritish > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). --0-1372376076-1054162966=:46604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From what I can tell, three rumors circulated today: 1. the company pulled out of a UBS healthcare conference. 2. The SEC is investigating the CEO, Patrick Soon-Shiong, for violations of Reg FD 3. Some negative research or comments from Avalon Research regarding the toxicity of APPX's experimental anti-cancer drug ABI-007. As I understand it, the first 2 are most likely false, the third is possibly true.
 
Eric

Roger <gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Tomas
Right I am very happy with the $8,000 I was just about to sell when my Gain
when to 25% which it was but I got a overseas phone call. Was on the line
for an hour when I got back to my PC APPX was down $4 I couldn't believe.
When it go to just under$31 I got out..Well now I am looking for another to
buy.. I try to buy 2000 sh for those under 30 and 1,500 or 1,000 for those
above depending. Well I will keep my eyes open for another
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening


> BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half the orginal
> gain... but can't be too greedy :).
>
> tomas
>
> --- Roger wrote:
> > Pritish
> > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made
> > about $8,000 profit but
> > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day
> > well atleast I made
> > something
> > Roger
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pritish Shah"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is
> > happening
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with
> > this stock. It has lost
> > $5 in price in the last hour.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pritish
> >
> >
> > -
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At the time, I was performing due diligence on the stock and here were my findings: -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: RE:APPX Oh what a tangled web this turned out to be. Looking at APPX, the management ownership at 40% caught my eye. I know that often these numbers are high when the company is owned by a parent company, and in this case, APPX is owned primarily by American Bioscience from Santa Monica, CA. (See http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/a/appx.html for the insider roster.) It's very difficult to get information on a privately held company, but Chairman Patrick Soon-Shong has controlling interest, and that with his 500K holdings directly in APPX gives him 65% controlling interest in APPX. (See http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/6/0,2163,103876,00.html for a note on the 65% interest). My Biotech Investors Bible (George Wolff) says that "The FTC is investigating whether Bristol-Meyers Squibb and a small biotech firm called American Biosceince conspired to prevent a generic drug company from bringing a lower-cost version of the anticancer drug Taxol to market. The two companies under investigation deny allegations by the generic drug maker, IVAX." See a June '02 NY Times article on the subject at http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/June2002/StatesAccuseBMYFraud.htm. Follow the path of litigation and see that FSU sued and won over stealing secrets when American Bioscience hired a researcher away from the University. http://www.research.fsu.edu/whatsnew/newsletters/documents/newsletter2001_12.pdf (page 3). Further shenanigans with Hospital supplier Premier add to the yellow flags http://maillist.linuxmednews.org/pipermail/mednews/2002-March/000139.html. APPX's official response is at http://www.appdrugs.com/032702PR.htm in which they state "Despite clarification provided by the company, The Times confused and mischaracterized a previously reported FTC investigation surrounding a patent dispute related to generic Taxol between the parent company American BioScience and certain third party companies, and in which APP played no role. Furthermore, the article inaccurately reported that there are legal claims against APP relating to this matter when, in fact, there are none. " In their SEC filings, they indicate that they have separated themselves from Premier by repurchasing all the shares held by Premier. "Pursuant to an agreement that expired March 31, 2001, Premier Purchasing Partners, L.P. (Premier) earned, at no cost, shares of our common stock based upon the level of our sales to Premier 's partners. During the nine months ended September 30, 2001, the shares earned by Premier had a fair value of $1,754,000 and were classified as a reduction of net sales in the accompanying condensed consolidated statements of income. ...On July 29, 2002, we repurchased all shares of our common stock held by Premier Purchasing Partners, totaling 2,914,593 shares for $29,758,000 in cash." (http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/finSys_main.asp?dcn=0001021408-02-0141 37&nad). And yet more litigation "During 1999, VivoRx brought an action against us, our chairman and chief executive officer and American BioScience relating to the development of the businesses of American BioScience and us while our chairman and chief executive officer was also serving as the chief executive officer and chairman of VivoRx. This action was settled in February 2001 with American BioScience obtaining clear title and ownership to its intellectual property, including the intellectual property underlying American BioScience's ABI-007 product candidate. Under the settlement, we are jointly and severally liable with American BioScience to pay VivoRx the remaining obligation under the settlement agreement of $12,000,000 in February 2003, of which American BioScience has agreed to pay. The respective boards of directors for American BioScience and us, in consultation with litigation counsel, passed resolutions allocating $3,400,000 of the total settlement obligation of $34,000,000 to us and the remaining $30,600,000 to American BioScience. We paid our allocated portion of the settlement obligation in February 2001. The allocation of the settlement was primarily based upon American BioScience obtaining clear title and ownership to its intellectual property, including the intellectual property underlying American BioScience's ABI-007 product candidate, and, accordingly, being the primary beneficiary of the settlement. [paragraph} Notwithstanding the agreed upon allocation of the settlement obligation between American BioScience and us, we recorded the entire present value of $30,354,000 of the litigation settlement with VivoRx as an expense for the year ended December 31, 2000. " The relationship between American BioScience and APPX is complex, wherein APPX distributed shares to ABI for product licensing agreements on ABI-007. "Product License Agreement In November 2001, we entered into a license agreement with American BioScience under which we acquired the exclusive rights to market and sell ABI-007 in North America, and which provided for initial license payments of $60,000,000 in January 2002. This license is perpetual. American BioScience also entered into a manufacturing agreement with us that grants us exclusive manufacturing rights for a three-year period. American BioScience is responsible for substantially all costs associated with the development of ABI-007, except that we agreed to provide up to $2,000,000 of ABI-007 for use in clinical trials. The cost of the clinical product was charged to research and development expense in the year ended December 31, 2001. We are also required to make milestone payments of up to (a) $60,000,000 for indications related to breast, ovarian and lung cancers and (b) $32,500,000 for indications relating to prostate cancer and other indications as agreed upon between American BioScience and us. We also may be required to make additional milestone payments of up to an aggregate of $110,000,000 based upon the achievement of particular annual sales levels. Profits from any sales of ABI-007 will be shared equally with American BioScience after deducting costs of goods sold, selling expenses and other appropriate deductions. All costs and expenses related to product recalls and product liability claims generally will be split equally between American BioScience and us. The initial license payment has been accounted for as a distribution of our stockholders' equity to American BioScience. As of December 31, 2001, the entire $60,000,000 had been accrued as a distribution payable to American BioScience. The $60,000,000 was paid to American BioScience in January 2002. The income tax benefits related to this payment will be credited to the stockholders' equity as realized. " But at the same time, APPX holds a note receivable from ABI: "Payments on behalf of American BioScience's new product development activities include our administrative salary and benefit allocations, charges for our employees' services and supplies related to American BioScience's products in development. Subsequent to September 30, 2002, $1,132,000 has been repaid by American BioScience. On December 14, 2001, we received a demand promissory note for the balance outstanding from American BioScience (Demand Note). The Demand Note bears interest at a rate equal to the rate of interest on our credit facility (6.0% at September 30, 2002). In connection with the execution of the Demand Note, as security for payment of the obligations under the Demand Note, we entered into a pledge agreement with American BioScience under which American BioScience pledged and granted us a security interest in shares of our common stock held by it having a fair market value equal to 120% of the balance of the Demand Note. " Balance at September 30, 2002 $ 22,724,000 I know that drug development is complex and that it's not all that uncommon for these suits to float around, but my shenanigans radar is in high gear with this company as it seems going public was a means of separating themselves to some degree from liabilities related to the less-than-above-board dealings at ABI. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Eric Jaenike Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:03 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening From what I can tell, three rumors circulated today: 1. the company pulled out of a UBS healthcare conference. 2. The SEC is investigating the CEO, Patrick Soon-Shiong, for violations of Reg FD 3. Some negative research or comments from Avalon Research regarding the toxicity of APPX's experimental anti-cancer drug ABI-007. As I understand it, the first 2 are most likely false, the third is possibly true. Eric Roger wrote: Tomas Right I am very happy with the $8,000 I was just about to sell when my Gain when to 25% which it was but I got a overseas phone call. Was on the line for an hour when I got back to my PC APPX was down $4 I couldn't believe. When it go to just under$31 I got out..Well now I am looking for another to buy.. I try to buy 2000 sh for those under 30 and 1,500 or 1,000 for those above depending. Well I will keep my eyes open for another Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is happening > BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half the orginal > gain... but can't be too greedy :). > > tomas > > --- Roger wrote: > > Pritish > > I don't know what happened but I got out at $31 made > > about $8,000 profit but > > was looking at a $16,000 profit earlier in the day > > well atleast I made > > something > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pritish Shah" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is > > happening > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what is happening with > > this stock. It has lost > > $5 in price in the last hour. > > > > Regards, > > Pritish > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Hi Eric, and all...
 
Your mention of Patrick = Soon-Shiong reminded=20 me of a discussion that we had on the CANSLIM list on APPX back in = January. At=20 the time, I was performing due diligence on the stock and here were my=20 findings:
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, = 2003 10:05=20 AM
Subject: RE:APPX

Oh what a tangled web this = turned out to=20 be.
 
Looking at APPX, the management = ownership=20 at 40% caught my eye. I know that often these numbers are high when = the=20 company is owned by a parent company, and in this case, APPX is owned=20 primarily by American Bioscience from Santa Monica, CA. (See http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/= a/appx.html for=20 the insider roster.) It's very difficult to get information on a = privately=20 held company, but Chairman Patrick Soon-Shong has controlling = interest,=20 and that with his 500K holdings directly in APPX gives him 65% = controlling=20 interest in APPX. (See http:/= /www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/6/0,2163,103876,00.html for=20 a note on the 65% interest).
 
My Biotech Investors Bible = (George Wolff)=20 says that "The FTC is investigating whether Bristol-Meyers Squibb and=20 a small biotech firm called American Biosceince conspired to = prevent a=20 generic drug company from bringing a lower-cost version of the = anticancer drug=20 Taxol to market. The two companies under investigation deny = allegations by the=20 generic drug maker, IVAX." See a June '02 NY Times article on the = subject at=20 http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/June2002/StatesAccuse= BMYFraud.htm.=20 Follow the path of litigation and see that FSU sued and won over=20 stealing secrets when American Bioscience hired a researcher = away=20 from the University. http://www.research.fsu.edu/whatsnew/newsletters/documen= ts/newsletter2001_12.pdf (page=20 3). Further shenanigans with Hospital supplier Premier add to the = yellow flags=20 http://maillist.linuxmednews.org/pipermail/mednews/2002-March/0= 00139.html.=20 APPX's official response is at http://www.appdrugs.com/032= 702PR.htm in=20 which they state "Despite clarification provided by the company, The = Times=20 confused and mischaracterized a previously reported FTC investigation=20 surrounding a patent dispute related to generic Taxol between the = parent=20 company American BioScience and certain third party companies, and in = which=20 APP played no role. Furthermore, the article inaccurately reported = that there=20 are legal claims against APP relating to this matter when, in fact, = there are=20 none. " In their SEC filings, = they=20 indicate that they have separated themselves from Premier by = repurchasing all=20 the shares held by Premier. "Pursuant to an agreement that expired = March 31,=20 2001, Premier Purchasing Partners, L.P. (Premier) earned, at no cost, = shares=20 of our common stock based upon the level of our sales to = Premier’s partners.=20 During the nine months ended September 30, 2001, the shares earned by = Premier=20 had a fair value of $1,754,000 and were classified as a reduction of = net sales=20 in the accompanying condensed consolidated statements of income. ...On = July=20 29, 2002, we repurchased all shares of our common stock held by = Premier=20 Purchasing Partners, totaling 2,914,593 shares for $29,758,000 in = cash." (http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/finS= ys_main.asp?dcn=3D0001021408-02-014137&nad).=20 And yet more litigation "During 1999, VivoRx brought an action against = us, our=20 chairman and chief executive officer and American BioScience relating = to the=20 development of the businesses of American BioScience and us while our = chairman=20 and chief executive officer was also serving as the chief executive = officer=20 and chairman of VivoRx.  This action was settled in February 2001 = with=20 American BioScience obtaining clear title and ownership to its = intellectual=20 property, including the intellectual property underlying American = BioScience’s=20 ABI-007 product candidate. Under the settlement, we are jointly and = severally=20 liable with American BioScience to pay VivoRx the remaining obligation = under=20 the settlement agreement of $12,000,000 in February 2003, of which = American=20 BioScience has agreed to pay. The respective boards of directors for = American=20 BioScience and us, in consultation with litigation counsel, passed = resolutions=20 allocating $3,400,000 of the total settlement obligation of = $34,000,000 to us=20 and the remaining $30,600,000 to American BioScience. We paid our = allocated=20 portion of the settlement obligation in February 2001. The allocation = of the=20 settlement was primarily based upon American BioScience obtaining = clear title=20 and ownership to its intellectual property, including the intellectual = property underlying American BioScience’s ABI-007 product = candidate, and,=20 accordingly, being the primary beneficiary of the settlement. = [paragraph}=20 Notwithstanding the agreed upon allocation of the settlement = obligation=20 between American BioScience and us, we recorded the entire present = value of=20 $30,354,000 of the litigation settlement with VivoRx as an expense for = the=20 year ended December 31, 2000. "
 
The relationship between American = BioScience and APPX=20 is complex, wherein APPX distributed shares to ABI for product = licensing=20 agreements on ABI-007.
 
"Product License Agreement

In November 2001, we entered into a license agreement with American = BioScience under which we acquired the exclusive rights to market and = sell=20 ABI-007 in North America, and which provided for initial license = payments of=20 $60,000,000 in January 2002. This license is perpetual. American = BioScience=20 also entered into a manufacturing agreement with us that grants us = exclusive=20 manufacturing rights for a three-year period. American BioScience is=20 responsible for substantially all costs associated with the = development of=20 ABI-007, except that we agreed to provide up to $2,000,000 of ABI-007 = for use=20 in clinical trials. The cost of the clinical product was charged to = research=20 and development expense in the year ended December 31, 2001. We are = also=20 required to make milestone payments of up to (a) $60,000,000 for = indications=20 related to breast, ovarian and lung cancers and (b) $32,500,000 for=20 indications relating to prostate cancer and other indications as = agreed upon=20 between American BioScience and us. We also may be required to make = additional=20 milestone payments of up to an aggregate of $110,000,000 based upon = the=20 achievement of particular annual sales levels. Profits from any sales = of=20 ABI-007 will be shared equally with American BioScience after = deducting costs=20 of goods sold, selling expenses and other appropriate deductions. All = costs=20 and expenses related to product recalls and product liability claims = generally=20 will be split equally between American BioScience and us.

The initial license payment has been accounted for as a = distribution of our=20 stockholders’ equity to American BioScience. As of December 31, = 2001, the=20 entire $60,000,000 had been accrued as a distribution payable to = American=20 BioScience. The $60,000,000 was paid to American BioScience in January = 2002.=20 The income tax benefits related to this payment will be credited to = the=20 stockholders’ equity as realized. "

But at the same time, APPX holds a = note=20 receivable from ABI:

"Payments on behalf of American = BioScience’s=20 new product development activities include our administrative salary = and=20 benefit allocations, charges for our employees’ services and = supplies related=20 to American BioScience’s products in development. Subsequent to = September 30,=20 2002, $1,132,000 has been repaid by American BioScience.

On December 14, 2001, we received a demand promissory note for the = balance=20 outstanding from American BioScience (Demand Note). The Demand Note = bears=20 interest at a rate equal to the rate of interest on our credit = facility (6.0%=20 at September 30, 2002).

In connection with the execution of the Demand Note, as security = for=20 payment of the obligations under the Demand Note, we entered into a = pledge=20 agreement with American BioScience under which American BioScience = pledged and=20 granted us a security interest in shares of our common stock held by = it having=20 a fair market value equal to 120% of the balance of the Demand=20 Note. "

Balance at September = 30, 2002=20

  =

  =

  =

$

22,724,000=20

 =20

I know that drug development is = complex and=20 that it's not all that uncommon for these suits to float around, but = my=20 shenanigans radar is in high gear with this company as it seems going = public=20 was a means of separating themselves to some degree from liabilities = related=20 to the less-than-above-board dealings at ABI.

 

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Eric=20 Jaenike
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:03 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- = any idea=20 what is happening

From what I can tell, three rumors circulated today: 1. the = company=20 pulled out of a UBS healthcare conference. 2. The SEC is investigating = the=20 CEO, Patrick Soon-Shiong, for violations of Reg FD 3. Some negative = research=20 or comments from Avalon Research regarding the toxicity of APPX's = experimental=20 anti-cancer drug ABI-007. As I understand it, the first 2 are most = likely=20 false, the third is possibly true.
 
Eric

Roger <gagnonr001@hawaii.rr.com>=20 wrote:
Tomas
Right=20 I am very happy with the $8,000 I was just about to sell when my=20 Gain
when to 25% which it was but I got a overseas phone call. = Was on the=20 line
for an hour when I got back to my PC APPX was down $4 I = couldn't=20 believe.
When it go to just under$31 I got out..Well now I am = looking for=20 another to
buy.. I try to buy 2000 sh for those under 30 and = 1,500 or=20 1,000 for those
above depending. Well I will keep my eyes open = for=20 another
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas"=20
To:
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 May 28, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea = what is=20 happening


> BTW Roger, Congrats on the $8K gain. Half = the=20 orginal
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>
>=20 tomas
>
> --- Roger = wrote:
>=20 > Pritish
> > I don't know what happened but I got out = at $31=20 made
> > about $8,000 profit but
> > was looking = at a=20 $16,000 profit earlier in the day
> > well atleast I = made
>=20 > something
> > Roger
> > ----- Original = Message -----=20
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> > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX -- any idea what is
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> >
> >
> > Does = anyone=20 have any idea on what is happening with
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But it is sufficient for now. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. > > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. > > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. > > -- > Bill > > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Date: 28 May 2003 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Gene, I do not agree with your analysis of APPX. To me, the pivot point was on 5/5 and it has a 6 days handle that initially drifted down. There was a shakeout day 5/8 during the handle. After today's big dip, I am doing a post analysis of the chart and everything looks ok (except for today). With all these news/rumors around, what sure what is going on. just my $.02, tomas --- Gene Ricci wrote: > > > My latest Mid Week Analysis is at > http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm > > Amateur-Investors.Com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] RMD chart Date: 28 May 2003 22:08:11 -0700 (PDT) How would yall interpret the chart for RMD? Looks like it was a DB. The second bottom did not dip below the first bottom (not good). BO on 4/23. Now it is forming another small base? And BO today? Just want to see how you would classify the chart. Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] KSWS Date: 28 May 2003 22:14:28 -0700 (PDT) How about KSWS chart? Looks like it just BO with up volume from a 4 weeks flat base today. There was a shakeout on 5/19. Then some dried up volume before the BO. Is my interpretation accurate? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Date: 28 May 2003 20:23:20 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0303_01C32556.FB0CC880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gene, I see you are now referring to amateur-investors.com analysis as 'my latest mid-week analysis". This is a step up from your previous posts that more modestly claimed "our analysis". Congratulations on your promotion, and the excellent quality of your work, I wish you well. Aloha, Mike Gibbons webmaster, cwhcharts.com. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:20 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis My latest Mid Week Analysis is at http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm Amateur-Investors.Com ------=_NextPart_000_0303_01C32556.FB0CC880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gene,
 
I see you are now referring to amateur-investors.com = analysis as=20 'my latest mid-week analysis". This is a step up from your previous = posts that=20 more modestly claimed "our analysis".
 
Congratulations on your promotion, and the excellent quality of = your=20 work, I wish you well.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
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My latest Mid Week Analysis is at http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0303_01C32556.FB0CC880-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffwdc Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 28 May 2003 15:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Hi Katherine, Thanks for all the info. you published over the weekend! You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, but it would be nice to know for the future. Best Regards, jeff gasta --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. > > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. > > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. > > -- > Bill > > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 07:52:09 -0500 Tomas, Quote Tracker is what I use, and have been very pleased with it. I have it get the real time data feed from Ameritrade, and the alerts work well. The only problem I sometimes have if having an alert pop up on the desktop, during the work day, but not having the time to look at it in detail to see if action is required. But I can tell you that it has saved my butt on a couple of times when a stock took a quick plunge and I did not have a stop order in place. For what it is worth, I would suggest placing a 7-8% stop loss alert after you open a position, and maybe one at a 20% gain, so that you know when a stock passes thru these "key" points. Also, there is a program called FCharts which you can get for free, or pay about $50 for a more advanced version, that allows for real time charting with a feed from Quote Tracker. It allows you to do more TA on the charts, etc. Let me know offline if you have any more questions. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com Tomas To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much ission.com 05/28/2003 11:31 PM Please respond to canslim Katherine, Thanks for listing the options and a good description of each. I have been searching for a stand alone tracker and alert system. I think I found one. It's Quote Tracker by Medved. Anyone has experience with this one? I tested out the email alert, works good. It actually has lots of options for the alert (price low/high, vol, vol %, price change, change %, ...). One missing feature that would be handy is a combination of the criterias. But it is sufficient for now. tomas --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. > > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. > > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. > > -- > Bill > > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 09:17:12 -0400 Jeff, I use cwhcharts.com. I have been using it for couple weeks with the email = alert and so far I have made about 5%. Ofcourse, I pick and choose what = stocks I want but atleast it narrows the universe down to just the Earth. = Then I select the city that I want to visit.=20 This is the service that Katherine works with. I have to say that I am = impressed. There are some stability issues but cwhcharts.com is working = diligently to fix those problems. Regards, Pritish >>> jeffwdc@yahoo.com 05/28/03 05:21PM >>> Hi Katherine, Thanks for all the info. you published over the weekend! You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, but it would be nice to know for the future. Best Regards, jeff gasta --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, >=20 > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. >=20 > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: >=20 > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. >=20 > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. >=20 > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. >=20 > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=3D150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): >=20 > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. >=20 > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: >=20 > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. >=20 > Katherine >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much >=20 >=20 > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... >=20 > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. >=20 > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. >=20 > -- > Bill >=20 > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much >=20 > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. >=20 > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? >=20 > Thanks, > tomas >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 08:22:16 -0500 Hi Jeff, The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one that Mike Gibbons and I developed. My posts here on the list are as an individual CANSLIM investor, so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas in order to give a complete overview of the options, you can probably understand why I didn't mention it by name. See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a new "How to Use our Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the service in either a 10 or 20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the "How to..." menu at the site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, provide due diligence info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of Industry Components, etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves. We make some of the components, such as the our general charts (with RSRank, U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim Evaluator (and imbedded links to our Industry charts and components), available to the CANSLIM list members in limited use as a thanks to those who contribute here. You can also access the forums where there are more general tutorials on subjects such as using RSLines, etc. For the CANSLIM list members: Charts link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php Canslim Evaluator link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/ You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my analysis of a stock. That's something Mike developed for me (even before I joined the site) after DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal action for making original annotations on *their* charts and posting them here on the public CANSLIM list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! That's also our motivation to make our charts available to members here, so that they can feel to use them and annotate them to their heart's content without fear of retribution. If you have any specific questions, please be sure to take them offlist. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jeffwdc Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM Hi Katherine, Thanks for all the info. you published over the weekend! You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, but it would be nice to know for the future. Best Regards, jeff gasta --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. > > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. > > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. > > -- > Bill > > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe McCall" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Date: 29 May 2003 08:39:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C325BD.C86959E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, I agree. Please keep us up to-date on your Analysis. Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Gibbons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Gene, I see you are now referring to amateur-investors.com analysis as 'my = latest mid-week analysis". This is a step up from your previous posts = that more modestly claimed "our analysis". Congratulations on your promotion, and the excellent quality of your = work, I wish you well. Aloha, Mike Gibbons webmaster, cwhcharts.com. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:20 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis My latest Mid Week Analysis is at = http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm Amateur-Investors.Com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C325BD.C86959E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gene,
 
I agree.  Please keep us up = to-date on=20 your Analysis.
 
Thanks,

Joe
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Gibbons=20
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 = 1:23=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Mid Week = Analysis

Gene,
 
I see you are now referring to amateur-investors.com = analysis as=20 'my latest mid-week analysis". This is a step up from your previous = posts that=20 more modestly claimed "our analysis".
 
Congratulations on your promotion, and the excellent quality = of your=20 work, I wish you well.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
webmaster, = cwhcharts.com.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene=20 Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:20 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Mid Week=20 Analysis


My latest Mid Week Analysis is at = http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm
 
Amateur-Investors.Com
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C325BD.C86959E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Jaenike Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT) --0-590837057-1054218499=:5801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Katherine and all- I for one think you should be publicizing cwhcharts.com more, not less. Because you are conservative about doing that, let me take this opportunity to do it for you. I've looked through the site, and think it is an excellent resource, both for watch lists generation and analysis. Even if you find only one trade off that service per year, you will recoup the cost, and probably quite a bit more. I have no affiliation with that site nor with Katherine. I just like the work. Eric Katherine Malm wrote: Hi Jeff, The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one that Mike Gibbons and I developed. My posts here on the list are as an individual CANSLIM investor, so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas in order to give a complete overview of the options, you can probably understand why I didn't mention it by name. See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a new "How to Use our Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the service in either a 10 or 20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the "How to..." menu at the site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, provide due diligence info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of Industry Components, etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves. We make some of the components, such as the our general charts (with RSRank, U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim Evaluator (and imbedded links to our Industry charts and components), available to the CANSLIM list members in limited use as a thanks to those who contribute here. You can also access the forums where there are more general tutorials on subjects such as using RSLines, etc. For the CANSLIM list members: Charts link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php Canslim Evaluator link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/ You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my analysis of a stock. That's something Mike developed for me (even before I joined the site) after DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal action for making original annotations on *their* charts and posting them here on the public CANSLIM list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! That's also our motivation to make our charts available to members here, so that they can feel to use them and annotate them to their heart's content without fear of retribution. If you have any specific questions, please be sure to take them offlist. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jeffwdc Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM Hi Katherine, Thanks for all the info. you published over the weekend! You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, but it would be nice to know for the future. Best Regards, jeff gasta --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I think there are a few different options if you > can't monitor the market > intraday. > > These require that you first select the stocks that > you want to monitor for > breakout, so if something moves that was not on your > radar, then you will > not see it: > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > order. This will be executed > based on price, so you still have to check in > sometime before the end of the > day to ensure that the volume requirements were also > met. If not, then you > have to be willing to sell the position. > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > alone) that allows you set > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text > based pager or wireless > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > monitor and you will have to > be able to interrupt your business at hand to check > in on the market and > make the trade if the projected volume is > sufficient. > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > you are watching are > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > order or a buy stop/limit > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check > actual volume at day's > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even > if the stock wasn't > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > these is to look for > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of > ADV (either by using the > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > program that lets you scan > for stocks): > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > broken out and are still > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > able to see the actual > volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage, > as you noted is that > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > buying range and you'll have > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > provides a second chance > entry. > > This last option does not require that you already > have a stock on your > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > intraday: > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one) > that automatically > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing > pattern is breaking > out. This can go to your email, text based pager or > wireless PDA address. > The advantage over any of the other options is that > you do not have to seek > out the stock in question to determine if it is > setting up and when/if it > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified. > As with option 1, > however, the intraday alerts are based on projected > volume, so if you choose > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > pan out, you'll have to > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > can wait until near > mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision, > but then you risk > missing the breakout price window. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > non-investment jobs... > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make > a buy/limit order just > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > executed. If it did, I'd check > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > low, I'd immediately sell. > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately after > the buy as I've not been > able to track the market as much during the day. > > -- > Bill > > -------Original Message------- > From: Tomas > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > today. > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > for > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > so > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of > the day. > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > been > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Katherine and all-
I for one think you should be publicizing cwhcharts.com more, not less. Because you are conservative about doing that, let me take this opportunity to do it for you. I've looked through the site, and think it is an excellent resource, both for watch lists generation and analysis. Even if you find only one trade off that service per year, you will recoup the cost, and probably quite a bit more.
 
I have no affiliation with that site nor with Katherine. I just like the work.
 
Eric

Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Jeff,

The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one that Mike Gibbons and I
developed. My posts here on the list are as an individual CANSLIM investor,
so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas in order to give a
complete overview of the options, you can probably understand why I didn't
mention it by name.

See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a new "How to Use our
Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the service in either a 10 or
20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the "How to..." menu at the
site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, provide due diligence
info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of Industry Components,
etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves.

We make some of the components, such as the our general charts (with RSRank,
U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim Evaluator (and imbedded
links to our Industry charts and components), available to the CANSLIM list
members in limited use as a thanks to those who contribute here. You can
also access the forums where there are more general tutorials on subjects
such as using RSLines, etc.

For the CANSLIM list members:
Charts link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php
Canslim Evaluator link: http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/

You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my analysis of a stock.
That's something Mike developed for me (even before I joined the site) after
DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal action for making original
annotations on *their* charts and posting them here on the public CANSLIM
list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! That's also our motivation
to make our charts available to members here, so that they can feel to use
them and annotate them to their heart's content without fear of retribution.

If you have any specific questions, please be sure to take them offlist.

Katherine


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jeffwdc
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much


Hi Katherine,

Thanks for all the info. you published over the
weekend!

You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the
name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, but
it would be nice to know for the future.

Best Regards, jeff gasta

--- Katherine Malm wrote:
> Hi Tomas,
>
> I think there are a few different options if you
> can't monitor the market
> intraday.
>
> These require that you first select the stocks that
> you want to monitor for
> breakout, so if something moves that was not on your
> radar, then you will
> not see it:
>
> (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit
> order. This will be executed
> based on price, so you still have to check in
> sometime before the end of the
> day to ensure that the volume requirements were also
> met. If not, then you
> have to be willing to sell the position.
>
> (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand
> alone) that allows you set
> price alerts and then sends them to your phone, text
> based pager or wireless
> PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to
> monitor and you will have to
> be able to interrupt your business at hand to check
> in on the market and
> make the trade if the projected volume is
> sufficient.
>
> (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks
> you are watching are
> nearing a breakout at that point, place a market
> order or a buy stop/limit
> order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to check
> actual volume at day's
> end and sell if necessary as with option 1.
>
> This allows you to look for possible breakouts, even
> if the stock wasn't
> originally on your radar. The easiest way to find
> these is to look for
> stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% of
> ADV (either by using the
> "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical
> program that lets you scan
> for stocks):
>
> (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have
> broken out and are still
> within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be
> able to see the actual
> volume in order to confirm the BO. The disadvantage,
> as you noted is that
> the stock may very well be extended beyond the
> buying range and you'll have
> to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and
> provides a second chance
> entry.
>
> This last option does not require that you already
> have a stock on your
> radar in order to see an attempted breakout
> intraday:
>
> (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only one)
> that automatically
> sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a basing
> pattern is breaking
> out. This can go to your email, text based pager or
> wireless PDA address.
> The advantage over any of the other options is that
> you do not have to seek
> out the stock in question to determine if it is
> setting up and when/if it
> attempts an intraday breakout, you will be notified.
> As with option 1,
> however, the intraday alerts are based on projected
> volume, so if you choose
> to execute an order and end of day volume does not
> pan out, you'll have to
> be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you
> can wait until near
> mid-day or near market close to make a buy decision,
> but then you risk
> missing the breakout price window.
>
> Katherine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf
> Of Bill Triffet
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much
>
>
> Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with
> non-investment jobs...
>
> In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd make
> a buy/limit order just
> above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it
> executed. If it did, I'd check
> to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is
> low, I'd immediately sell.
>
> I've also been setting hard stops immediately after
> the buy as I've not been
> able to track the market as much during the day.
>
> --
> Bill
>
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Tomas
> Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM
> To: canslim canslim
> Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much
>
> >
> > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base
> today.
> I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in
> for
> awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day
> since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how do
> you get a position in when the BO is so strong and
> so
> fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute of
> the day.
>
> How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts?
> Maybe something else? How has your alert system
> been
> working for ya? Any other suggestion?
>
> Thanks,
> tomas
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to
> Outlook(TM).
> http://calendar.yahoo.com
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>
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>
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There are some > stability issues but cwhcharts.com is working > diligently to fix those problems. > > Regards, > Pritish > > >>> jeffwdc@yahoo.com 05/28/03 05:21PM >>> > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for all the info. you published over the > weekend! > > You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the > name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, > but > it would be nice to know for the future. > > Best Regards, jeff gasta > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, > > > > I think there are a few different options if you > > can't monitor the market > > intraday. > > > > These require that you first select the stocks > that > > you want to monitor for > > breakout, so if something moves that was not on > your > > radar, then you will > > not see it: > > > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > > order. This will be executed > > based on price, so you still have to check in > > sometime before the end of the > > day to ensure that the volume requirements were > also > > met. If not, then you > > have to be willing to sell the position. > > > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > > alone) that allows you set > > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, > text > > based pager or wireless > > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > > monitor and you will have to > > be able to interrupt your business at hand to > check > > in on the market and > > make the trade if the projected volume is > > sufficient. > > > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > > you are watching are > > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > > order or a buy stop/limit > > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to > check > > actual volume at day's > > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, > even > > if the stock wasn't > > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > > these is to look for > > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% > of > > ADV (either by using the > > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > > program that lets you scan > > for stocks): > > > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > > broken out and are still > > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > > able to see the actual > > volume in order to confirm the BO. The > disadvantage, > > as you noted is that > > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > > buying range and you'll have > > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > > provides a second chance > > entry. > > > > This last option does not require that you already > > have a stock on your > > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > > intraday: > > > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only > one) > > that automatically > > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a > basing > > pattern is breaking > > out. This can go to your email, text based pager > or > > wireless PDA address. > > The advantage over any of the other options is > that > > you do not have to seek > > out the stock in question to determine if it is > > setting up and when/if it > > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be > notified. > > As with option 1, > > however, the intraday alerts are based on > projected > > volume, so if you choose > > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > > pan out, you'll have to > > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > > can wait until near > > mid-day or near market close to make a buy > decision, > > but then you risk > > missing the breakout price window. > > > > Katherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Bill Triffet > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > > non-investment jobs... > > > > In the past, When a nice handle has formed, I'd > make > > a buy/limit order just > > above the pivot. I'd then check to see if it > > executed. If it did, I'd check > > to see if volume is sufficient. If the volume is > > low, I'd immediately sell. > > > > I've also been setting hard stops immediately > after > > the buy as I've not been > > able to track the market as much during the day. > > > > -- > > Bill > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Tomas > > Sent: 05/27/03 08:55 PM > > To: canslim canslim > > Subject: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > > > > Looks like USNA BO from a nice tight flat base > > today. > > I have been eyeing this stocking, trying to get in > > for > > awhile. But it is too late at the end of the day > > since it rose ~14% today. So, my question is how > do > > you get a position in when the BO is so strong and > > so > > fast? I can't be looking at stocks every minute > of > > the day. > > > > How do some of you guys do it? Set email alerts? > > Maybe something else? How has your alert system > > been > > working for ya? Any other suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > to > > Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > - > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffwdc Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 08:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Thanks Katherine. As always, you and Mike are the best. You go above and beyond expectations by offering us complementary access to your service. Also I'm glad to hear the on-staff lawyers at IBD have one less reason to justify their existance because their charts aren't being used here anymore. :-) jeff gasta --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one > that Mike Gibbons and I > developed. My posts here on the list are as an > individual CANSLIM investor, > so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas > in order to give a > complete overview of the options, you can probably > understand why I didn't > mention it by name. > > See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a > new "How to Use our > Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the > service in either a 10 or > 20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the > "How to..." menu at the > site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, > provide due diligence > info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of > Industry Components, > etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves. > > We make some of the components, such as the our > general charts (with RSRank, > U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim > Evaluator (and imbedded > links to our Industry charts and components), > available to the CANSLIM list > members in limited use as a thanks to those who > contribute here. You can > also access the forums where there are more general > tutorials on subjects > such as using RSLines, etc. > > For the CANSLIM list members: > Charts link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php > Canslim Evaluator link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/ > > You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my > analysis of a stock. > That's something Mike developed for me (even before > I joined the site) after > DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal > action for making original > annotations on *their* charts and posting them here > on the public CANSLIM > list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! > That's also our motivation > to make our charts available to members here, so > that they can feel to use > them and annotate them to their heart's content > without fear of retribution. > > If you have any specific questions, please be sure > to take them offlist. > > Katherine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of jeffwdc > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for all the info. you published over the > weekend! > > You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the > name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, > but > it would be nice to know for the future. > > Best Regards, jeff gasta > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, > > > > I think there are a few different options if you > > can't monitor the market > > intraday. > > > > These require that you first select the stocks > that > > you want to monitor for > > breakout, so if something moves that was not on > your > > radar, then you will > > not see it: > > > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > > order. This will be executed > > based on price, so you still have to check in > > sometime before the end of the > > day to ensure that the volume requirements were > also > > met. If not, then you > > have to be willing to sell the position. > > > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > > alone) that allows you set > > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, > text > > based pager or wireless > > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > > monitor and you will have to > > be able to interrupt your business at hand to > check > > in on the market and > > make the trade if the projected volume is > > sufficient. > > > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > > you are watching are > > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > > order or a buy stop/limit > > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to > check > > actual volume at day's > > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, > even > > if the stock wasn't > > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > > these is to look for > > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% > of > > ADV (either by using the > > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > > program that lets you scan > > for stocks): > > > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > > broken out and are still > > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > > able to see the actual > > volume in order to confirm the BO. The > disadvantage, > > as you noted is that > > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > > buying range and you'll have > > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > > provides a second chance > > entry. > > > > This last option does not require that you already > > have a stock on your > > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > > intraday: > > > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only > one) > > that automatically > > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a > basing > > pattern is breaking > > out. This can go to your email, text based pager > or > > wireless PDA address. > > The advantage over any of the other options is > that > > you do not have to seek > > out the stock in question to determine if it is > > setting up and when/if it > > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be > notified. > > As with option 1, > > however, the intraday alerts are based on > projected > > volume, so if you choose > > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > > pan out, you'll have to > > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > > can wait until near > > mid-day or near market close to make a buy > decision, > > but then you risk > > missing the breakout price window. > > > > Katherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Bill Triffet > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > > > > Ah the proverbial problem for us folks with > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pritish Shah" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Date: 29 May 2003 11:02:43 -0400 Tomas, Gene said a small two "week" handle. I first mis-read it to be a small two = "day" handle. Gene -- a recommendation: if you use weekly charts, stick with weekly = charts on all stocks. If you use daily charts, then use daily charts on = all stocks. This is less confusing for the reader. It is not your fault -- = it is the reader and you have to dumb it down for us novices.=20 Regards, Pritish >>> tomas986@yahoo.com 05/28/03 11:41PM >>> Gene, I do not agree with your analysis of APPX. To me, the pivot point was on 5/5 and it has a 6 days handle that initially drifted down. There was a shakeout day 5/8 during the handle. After today's big dip, I am doing a post analysis of the chart and everything looks ok (except for today).=20 With all these news/rumors around, what sure what is going on. just my $.02, tomas --- Gene Ricci wrote: >=20 >=20 > My latest Mid Week Analysis is at > http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm=20 >=20 > Amateur-Investors.Com >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much Date: 29 May 2003 08:51:41 -0700 (PDT) I would like to back up Eric's statement. I stumble on cwhcharts.com when I first started, and it has helped me out quite a bit. I am currently not a member (maybe later after I do the leg work and learn everything manually first). However, I have been using their charts and CS evaluator, and those tools are great. My hats off to Katherine and Mike G. for their great job. tomas --- Eric Jaenike wrote: > Katherine and all- > I for one think you should be publicizing > cwhcharts.com more, not less. Because you are > conservative about doing that, let me take this > opportunity to do it for you. I've looked through > the site, and think it is an excellent resource, > both for watch lists generation and analysis. Even > if you find only one trade off that service per > year, you will recoup the cost, and probably quite a > bit more. > > I have no affiliation with that site nor with > Katherine. I just like the work. > > Eric > > Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one > that Mike Gibbons and I > developed. My posts here on the list are as an > individual CANSLIM investor, > so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas > in order to give a > complete overview of the options, you can probably > understand why I didn't > mention it by name. > > See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a > new "How to Use our > Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the > service in either a 10 or > 20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the > "How to..." menu at the > site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, > provide due diligence > info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of > Industry Components, > etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves. > > We make some of the components, such as the our > general charts (with RSRank, > U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim > Evaluator (and imbedded > links to our Industry charts and components), > available to the CANSLIM list > members in limited use as a thanks to those who > contribute here. You can > also access the forums where there are more general > tutorials on subjects > such as using RSLines, etc. > > For the CANSLIM list members: > Charts link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php > Canslim Evaluator link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/ > > You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my > analysis of a stock. > That's something Mike developed for me (even before > I joined the site) after > DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal > action for making original > annotations on *their* charts and posting them here > on the public CANSLIM > list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! > That's also our motivation > to make our charts available to members here, so > that they can feel to use > them and annotate them to their heart's content > without fear of retribution. > > If you have any specific questions, please be sure > to take them offlist. > > Katherine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of jeffwdc > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for all the info. you published over the > weekend! > > You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the > name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, > but > it would be nice to know for the future. > > Best Regards, jeff gasta > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, > > > > I think there are a few different options if you > > can't monitor the market > > intraday. > > > > These require that you first select the stocks > that > > you want to monitor for > > breakout, so if something moves that was not on > your > > radar, then you will > > not see it: > > > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > > order. This will be executed > > based on price, so you still have to check in > > sometime before the end of the > > day to ensure that the volume requirements were > also > > met. If not, then you > > have to be willing to sell the position. > > > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > > alone) that allows you set > > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, > text > > based pager or wireless > > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > > monitor and you will have to > > be able to interrupt your business at hand to > check > > in on the market and > > make the trade if the projected volume is > > sufficient. > > > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > > you are watching are > > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > > order or a buy stop/limit > > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to > check > > actual volume at day's > > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, > even > > if the stock wasn't > > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > > these is to look for > > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% > of > > ADV (either by using the > > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > > program that lets you scan > > for stocks): > > > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > > broken out and are still > > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > > able to see the actual > > volume in order to confirm the BO. The > disadvantage, > > as you noted is that > > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > > buying range and you'll have > > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > > provides a second chance > > entry. > > > > This last option does not require that you already > > have a stock on your > > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > > intraday: > > > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only > one) > > that automatically > > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a > basing > > pattern is breaking > > out. This can go to your email, text based pager > or > > wireless PDA address. > > The advantage over any of the other options is > that > > you do not have to seek > > out the stock in question to determine if it is > > setting up and when/if it > > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be > notified. > > As with option 1, > > however, the intraday alerts are based on > projected > > volume, so if you choose > > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > > pan out, you'll have to > > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > > can wait until near > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Date: 29 May 2003 12:00:16 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C325D9.DE916F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, not bad.... achieved guru status and had 'my work' praised by Mike = Gibbons....=20 However, The Mid Week Analysis is the work of http://www.amateur-investors.com/ = and not mine. I just cut and pasted the link with their introductory = paragraph and didn't notice or take heed of their my or ours = lead-in...... and since I didn't modify it in any way, you got to see it = as received. I am not in 'the business' nor do I receive any = compensation from them (or any other organization)... Just a happy = camper that's made money from stocks that they brought to my = attention.... and wanted to share one of the tools that I use... You might want to look at them in more detail. There is a 2-week free trial AND they are running a 50% off through the = end of May.... about 10 bucks a month. Here's what they supply: A Premium Membership includes our Stocks to Watch List which provides a = list of Stocks that are exhibiting favorable Chart Patterns along with = specific Buy and Stop Loss Prices. Also you will receive our Daily Breakout Report by email which Alerts = you to Stocks that are breaking out of a favorable Chart Pattern. Not convinced of the value of our service here are some Stocks we = featured back in early to mid March along with their performance since = then. Symbol Date Featured Chart Pattern Initial Price Highest Price through 5/1 Gain=20 AAI 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 6.05 7.94 31%=20 AGAM 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 6.43 9.50 48%=20 CLZR 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 8.50 11.66 37%=20 EXLT 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 7.00 8.79 26%=20 PRA 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 22.80 26.68 17%=20 ROCM 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 9.16 11.47 25%=20 WRC 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 21.05 NA Stop Loss=20 AMZN 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 24.71 29.19 18%=20 IIVI 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 18.02 19.65 9%=20 NFLX 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 16.55 24.69 49%=20 OPTC 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 7.15 12.49 75%=20 OVTI 3/15/03 Double Bottom 21.18 26.95 27%=20 WFR 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 9.45 12.90 37%=20 YHOO 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 20.69 26.25 27%=20 Best, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pritish Shah=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; tomas986@yahoo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week Analysis Tomas, Gene said a small two "week" handle. I first mis-read it to be a small = two "day" handle. Gene -- a recommendation: if you use weekly charts, stick with weekly = charts on all stocks. If you use daily charts, then use daily charts on = all stocks. This is less confusing for the reader. It is not your fault = -- it is the reader and you have to dumb it down for us novices.=20 Regards, Pritish >>> tomas986@yahoo.com 05/28/03 11:41PM >>> Gene, I do not agree with your analysis of APPX. To me, the pivot point was on 5/5 and it has a 6 days handle that initially drifted down. There was a shakeout day 5/8 during the handle. After today's big dip, I am doing a post analysis of the chart and everything looks ok (except for today).=20 With all these news/rumors around, what sure what is going on. just my $.02, tomas --- Gene Ricci wrote: >=20 >=20 > My latest Mid Week Analysis is at > http://www.amateur-investors.com/AII_Mid_Week_Analysis5_28_03.htm=20 >=20 > Amateur-Investors.Com >=20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C325D9.DE916F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, not bad.... achieved guru status = and had=20 'my work' praised by Mike Gibbons....
 
However,
 
The Mid Week Analysis is the work of = http://www.amateur-investors.c= om/ and=20 not mine. I just cut and pasted the link with their introductory=20 paragraph and didn't notice or = take heed=20 of their my or ours lead-in...... and since I didn't modify it in any = way, you=20 got to see it as received.  I am not in 'the business' nor do I = receive any=20 compensation from them (or any other organization)... Just a happy=20 camper that's made money from stocks that they brought to my = attention....=20 and wanted to share one of the tools that I use...
 
You might = want to=20 look at them in more detail.
 
There is a 2-week free trial AND = they are=20 running a 50% off through the end of May.... about 10 bucks a month. Here's what they=20 supply:
 
A Premium Membership includes our Stocks to Watch List which = provides a list of Stocks that are exhibiting favorable Chart Patterns = along=20 with specific Buy and Stop Loss Prices.

Also you will receive our Daily Breakout Report by email which = Alerts you to Stocks that are breaking out of a favorable Chart=20 Pattern.

Not convinced of the value of our service here are some Stocks we = featured=20 back in early to mid March along with their performance since then.

Symbol Date
Featured		 Chart
Pattern		 Initial
Price		 Highest Price through 5/1 Gain
AAI 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 6.05 7.94 31%
AGAM 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 6.43 9.50 48%
CLZR 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 8.50 11.66 37%
EXLT 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 7.00 8.79 26%
PRA 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 22.80 26.68 17%
ROCM 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 9.16 11.47 25%
WRC 3/8/03 Cup/Handle 21.05 NA Stop = Loss
AMZN 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 24.71 29.19 18%
IIVI 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 18.02 19.65 9%
NFLX 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 16.55 24.69 49%
OPTC 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 7.15 12.49 75%
OVTI 3/15/03 Double = Bottom 21.18 26.95 27%
WFR 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 9.45 12.90 37%
YHOO 3/15/03 Cup/Handle 20.69 26.25 27%

Best,
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Pritish = Shah
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= ; tomas986@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 = 10:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mid Week = Analysis

Tomas,

Gene said a small two "week" handle. I = first=20 mis-read it to be a small two "day" handle.

Gene -- a = recommendation:=20 if you use weekly charts, stick with weekly charts on all stocks. If = you use=20 daily charts, then use daily charts on all stocks. This is less = confusing for=20 the reader. It is not your fault -- it is the reader and you have to = dumb it=20 down for us novices.

Regards,
Pritish

>>> = tomas986@yahoo.com 05/28/03 = 11:41PM=20 >>>
Gene,

I do not agree with your analysis of = APPX. =20 To me, the
pivot point was on 5/5 and it has a 6 days handle=20 that
initially drifted down.  There was a shakeout day = 5/8
during=20 the handle.

After today's big dip, I am doing a post analysis = of
the=20 chart and everything looks ok (except for today).
With all these=20 news/rumors around, what sure what is
going on.

just my=20 $.02,
tomas
--- Gene Ricci <genr@swbell.net> wrote:
> =
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>
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You can probably put together all the info you find here from free sources on the net, but you probably save an order of magnitude time and effort using the CE. I also like the "reverse" approach, which is to find CwH charts first, and then examine the fundies. It seems to me (but I'm a newbie) that the more standard approach is to look for stocks with great fundies, and then wait for them to form CwHs. Again, I think this reverse approach is a big time saver, but you need to see if it suites your investment style. For me, the bottom line is a question of time vs money. Yes it costs me some dollars, but the huge time savings is worth the cost. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:52 AM I would like to back up Eric's statement. I stumble on cwhcharts.com when I first started, and it has helped me out quite a bit. I am currently not a member (maybe later after I do the leg work and learn everything manually first). However, I have been using their charts and CS evaluator, and those tools are great. My hats off to Katherine and Mike G. for their great job. tomas --- Eric Jaenike wrote: > Katherine and all- > I for one think you should be publicizing > cwhcharts.com more, not less. Because you are > conservative about doing that, let me take this > opportunity to do it for you. I've looked through > the site, and think it is an excellent resource, > both for watch lists generation and analysis. Even > if you find only one trade off that service per > year, you will recoup the cost, and probably quite a > bit more. > > I have no affiliation with that site nor with > Katherine. I just like the work. > > Eric > > Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > The breakout alert service (cwhcharts.com) is one > that Mike Gibbons and I > developed. My posts here on the list are as an > individual CANSLIM investor, > so while I mention the service in my reply to Tomas > in order to give a > complete overview of the options, you can probably > understand why I didn't > mention it by name. > > See it at www.cwhcharts.com. I've recently written a > new "How to Use our > Site" tutorial that gives an overview of using the > service in either a 10 or > 20 minute a day approach. See it by clicking on the > "How to..." menu at the > site. It shows how we compile the daily watchlists, > provide due diligence > info (Canslim Evaluator, Industry Charts, list of > Industry Components, > etc.), and generate the intraday alerts themselves. > > We make some of the components, such as the our > general charts (with RSRank, > U/D ratio, RSLine plotted over time) and the Canslim > Evaluator (and imbedded > links to our Industry charts and components), > available to the CANSLIM list > members in limited use as a thanks to those who > contribute here. You can > also access the forums where there are more general > tutorials on subjects > such as using RSLines, etc. > > For the CANSLIM list members: > Charts link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php > Canslim Evaluator link: > http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim/ > > You'll notice I use my own charts when annotating my > analysis of a stock. > That's something Mike developed for me (even before > I joined the site) after > DailyGraphs Online (DGO) threatened me with legal > action for making original > annotations on *their* charts and posting them here > on the public CANSLIM > list. Necessity is ever the mother of invention! > That's also our motivation > to make our charts available to members here, so > that they can feel to use > them and annotate them to their heart's content > without fear of retribution. > > If you have any specific questions, please be sure > to take them offlist. > > Katherine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of jeffwdc > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:22 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BO, too fast too much > > > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for all the info. you published over the > weekend! > > You mention a Breakout Alert Service. May I ask the > name of this service? I'm not ready to subscribe, > but > it would be nice to know for the future. > > Best Regards, jeff gasta > > --- Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tomas, > > > > I think there are a few different options if you > > can't monitor the market > > intraday. > > > > These require that you first select the stocks > that > > you want to monitor for > > breakout, so if something moves that was not on > your > > radar, then you will > > not see it: > > > > (1) As Bill suggested, set up a buy stop/limit > > order. This will be executed > > based on price, so you still have to check in > > sometime before the end of the > > day to ensure that the volume requirements were > also > > met. If not, then you > > have to be willing to sell the position. > > > > (2) Use an alert system (broker based or stand > > alone) that allows you set > > price alerts and then sends them to your phone, > text > > based pager or wireless > > PDA. You have to preset the stocks you wish to > > monitor and you will have to > > be able to interrupt your business at hand to > check > > in on the market and > > make the trade if the projected volume is > > sufficient. > > > > (3) Check in on the market at lunch. If the stocks > > you are watching are > > nearing a breakout at that point, place a market > > order or a buy stop/limit > > order. If using a buy stop then you'll need to > check > > actual volume at day's > > end and sell if necessary as with option 1. > > > > This allows you to look for possible breakouts, > even > > if the stock wasn't > > originally on your radar. The easiest way to find > > these is to look for > > stocks that close up on the day on volume >=150% > of > > ADV (either by using the > > "Where the Big Money is Flowing" or a technical > > program that lets you scan > > for stocks): > > > > (4) Wait until day's end to find stocks that have > > broken out and are still > > within range (<5%). Advantage is that you will be > > able to see the actual > > volume in order to confirm the BO. The > disadvantage, > > as you noted is that > > the stock may very well be extended beyond the > > buying range and you'll have > > to pass and/or wait to see if it pulls back and > > provides a second chance > > entry. > > > > This last option does not require that you already > > have a stock on your > > radar in order to see an attempted breakout > > intraday: > > > > (5) Use a breakouts alert service (there's only > one) > > that automatically > > sends out an intraday alert when a stock in a > basing > > pattern is breaking > > out. This can go to your email, text based pager > or > > wireless PDA address. > > The advantage over any of the other options is > that > > you do not have to seek > > out the stock in question to determine if it is > > setting up and when/if it > > attempts an intraday breakout, you will be > notified. > > As with option 1, > > however, the intraday alerts are based on > projected > > volume, so if you choose > > to execute an order and end of day volume does not > > pan out, you'll have to > > be willing to sell the position. Alternately, you > > can wait until near > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] KSWS Date: 29 May 2003 22:43:30 -0400 Hi Tomas, I don't think this qualifies as a valid b/o since the volume is much less than 150% ADV. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:14 AM How about KSWS chart? Looks like it just BO with up volume from a 4 weeks flat base today. There was a shakeout on 5/19. Then some dried up volume before the BO. Is my interpretation accurate? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Fw: Amateur Investors Daily Breakout Report Date: 29 May 2003 21:55:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3262D.11892410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gene, I believe this information is proprietary and posting the information is both unethical and illegal. I'm sure the owner of the Amateur-Investors.com site would not appreciate you giving away what he has worked so hard to produce. Subscribers pay for this information--that's why it's referred to as a *business.* Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:20 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Fw: Amateur Investors Daily Breakout Report FYI, Gene Daily Breakout Report is at http://www.amateur-investors.com/Daily_Breakout_Report_5_29_03.htm Amateur-Investors.Com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3262D.11892410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3262D.11892410-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] KSWS Date: 29 May 2003 20:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Roger good point. --- Roger Tawa wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > I don't think this qualifies as a valid b/o since > the volume is much less > than 150% ADV. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Tomas > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:14 AM > To: canslim canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] KSWS > > How about KSWS chart? Looks like it just BO with up > volume from a 4 weeks flat base today. There was a > shakeout on 5/19. Then some dried up volume before > the BO. > > Is my interpretation accurate? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RMD chart Date: 30 May 2003 08:27:01 -0500 Hi Tomas, Whether you look at it as a double bottom beginning 11/15/2 or a smaller cwh beginning 1/14/03, the pivot remains the same at the beginning of the handle on 4/9 @ $34.50. BO is on 4/23 when it passes that pivot on high volume. However, the action since then is too short to be considered a base, but is instead normal pullback action along its rising path. The shortest base you'll get is a flat base at >=5wks, but the action must move sideways from the peak and correct no more than 10-15%. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:08 PM How would yall interpret the chart for RMD? Looks like it was a DB. The second bottom did not dip below the first bottom (not good). BO on 4/23. Now it is forming another small base? And BO today? Just want to see how you would classify the chart. Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 10:06:34 -0500 Hi all, Have been watching COLM for a while, and it looks like it is attempting a breakout from what I see as a nicely formed CWH. The right side had a gap up, and had some high volume days, and the handle formed with a pivot of $48.76, and again had a high volume spike in the middle. Checking the scores, the fundies are pretty strong, but so far it has not mustered a 150% volume to classify as a breakout. Any thoughts? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 10:08:05 -0500 We are courting this one as well. Volatility has picked up in the leaders and we are in the sell in May and go away period. Regardless of what you all choose, I would tread a little lighter, smaller positions, add on strength. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:07 AM Hi all, Have been watching COLM for a while, and it looks like it is attempting a breakout from what I see as a nicely formed CWH. The right side had a gap up, and had some high volume days, and the handle formed with a pivot of $48.76, and again had a high volume spike in the middle. Checking the scores, the fundies are pretty strong, but so far it has not mustered a 150% volume to classify as a breakout. Any thoughts? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 10:18:10 -0500 Ed, I agree. For once, it looks like a stock is breaking out slowly, giving us a chance to watch and wait, and still be able to buy within the 5% of the pivot. In the past, it seems like a strong breakout made you have to take a leap of faith that it would follow thru. I know one of the things I have NOT mastered, is selling a stock only a few days after an apparent breakout, if it does not follow thru. As a question to the group, how long do you generally wait for a follow thru, assuming that you DON'T see something like a high volume , drop in price day, or a violation of the pivot point, etc. What I would like to do is try to get out sooner that the 7-8% loss if the breakout does not look clean, but also not be TOO conservative and not give the stock a little leeway. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COLM owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/30/2003 10:08 AM Please respond to canslim We are courting this one as well. Volatility has picked up in the leaders and we are in the sell in May and go away period. Regardless of what you all choose, I would tread a little lighter, smaller positions, add on strength. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:07 AM Hi all, Have been watching COLM for a while, and it looks like it is attempting a breakout from what I see as a nicely formed CWH. The right side had a gap up, and had some high volume days, and the handle formed with a pivot of $48.76, and again had a high volume spike in the middle. Checking the scores, the fundies are pretty strong, but so far it has not mustered a 150% volume to classify as a breakout. Any thoughts? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] THO Date: 30 May 2003 10:35:17 -0500 This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO Date: 30 May 2003 10:56:07 -0500 Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO Date: 30 May 2003 11:04:43 -0500 Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) Date: 30 May 2003 11:41:10 -0500 Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) Date: 30 May 2003 12:22:05 -0500 Katherine, I can't believe that after all that analysis, you won't give us the correct answer to what will happen with COLM... Is the crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) ission.com 05/30/2003 11:41 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eddie Garratt Subject: RE: COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) Date: 30 May 2003 10:22:37 -0700 It's breaking out as we speak. I might be a little premature, but it's getting close. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:22 AM Katherine, I can't believe that after all that analysis, you won't give us the correct answer to what will happen with COLM... Is the crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) ission.com 05/30/2003 11:41 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) Date: 30 May 2003 12:36:19 -0500 Price is there, but once again, the volume is way too low to count as a breakout. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Eddie Garratt" > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/30/2003 12:22 PM Please respond to canslim It's breaking out as we speak. I might be a little premature, but it's getting close. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:22 AM Katherine, I can't believe that after all that analysis, you won't give us the correct answer to what will happen with COLM... Is the crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) ission.com 05/30/2003 11:41 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "inderjit" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: Baxter, wasCOLM (was: THO) Date: 30 May 2003 14:23:43 -0400 Mike, What do you think of BAX? Just kidding, -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:36 PM Price is there, but once again, the volume is way too low to count as a breakout. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Eddie Garratt" > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/30/2003 12:22 PM Please respond to canslim It's breaking out as we speak. I might be a little premature, but it's getting close. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:22 AM Katherine, I can't believe that after all that analysis, you won't give us the correct answer to what will happen with COLM... Is the crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) ission.com 05/30/2003 11:41 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 13:27:58 -0500 It still is continuing to climb, I am having to restrain myself, but the volume is just NOT there...... Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE: Baxter, wasCOLM (was: THO) Date: 30 May 2003 13:31:46 -0500 Don't even get me started!.... I really know it is a quality company, but it has been painful to watch the options (they give them out to a lot of the employees) immediately become worthless unless the company gains 30% or more, just to come back to the strike price. But of course, I am trying to watch the chart shape, and it looks like we might be starting up the right side of a large cup......... Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com inderjit cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: Baxter, wasCOLM (was: THO) owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/30/2003 01:23 PM Please respond to canslim Mike, What do you think of BAX? Just kidding, -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:36 PM Price is there, but once again, the volume is way too low to count as a breakout. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Eddie Garratt" > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 05/30/2003 12:22 PM Please respond to canslim It's breaking out as we speak. I might be a little premature, but it's getting close. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:22 AM Katherine, I can't believe that after all that analysis, you won't give us the correct answer to what will happen with COLM... Is the crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE:COLM (was: [CANSLIM] THO) ission.com 05/30/2003 11:41 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Let me answer your question generically, as I think it provides the explanation without going into site-specific details and so is more appropriate for discussion here on the list. The first clue is to look at COLM's base as of 5/28/03. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM052803.JPG The question is, as of today, is COLM still in the base? Take a look of the close-up action since 5/28: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/COLM053003.JPG Notice that on 5/29, COLM attempted a breakout, but while the stock closed above the pivot, it did not actually breakout, because volume was too low. In short, COLM is no longer in its base. This happens to stocks and is the reason one would want to be watchful of both recent attempted breakouts that are still near their pivot (thus yours and Ed's interest in COLM), and also stocks that have recently staged a successful breakout on volume but are still within 5% of the original pivot. The point with COLM is that it has hesitated near its logical area of support. The lack of conviction on the move here shows that there is not yet enough buying power to enable it to completely break free of the base. While "worth watching" it's not currently *in* the base, and therefore, not on our current watchlist. From here one of several things can happen: (1) COLM will pull back fairly significantly and form a "fresh" handle. The new pivot would then be the $49.50 high set on 5/29. (2) COLM will fail altogether and roll back into its base. (3) COLM will hesitate here and then gather steam and forge ahead. This "multi-day" breakout is relatively common, but I don't know that I've ever seen statistics on the success rates of multi-day breakouts vs. strong breakouts on volume in a single day, so couldn't give you a good risk-assessment clue. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM Katherine, Interestingly enough, I reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the input. So back onto COLM, I saw that it was not on a watchlist at cwhcharts , do you know why? Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Katherine Malm" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] THO ission.com 05/30/2003 10:56 AM Please respond to canslim Hi Mike, Interestingly, THO and COLM have very similar fundamental (CEF) component scores. THO=8.6 to COLM=8.59 (max 11). COLM pulls ahead in the overall CE score thanks to a far better technical (CET) component score. COLM=6.32 and THO =4.63 (max 7) As a further means of distinguishing between the stocks, I think the real tale is told when looking at THO's Industry condition: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/BldgMobileRV052303.JPG For me, that's reason enough to eliminate THO as a comparative potential investment. Katherine -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM This is another one that seems to be breaking out from a cwh. Between it and COLM, COLM has slightly better CE scores, so I am leaning towards it. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 14:31:34 -0500 It is still going up......any other thoughts Katherine? It would be a violation of the breakout rule since volume is so low, but it is VERY tempting...... Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davellil5@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 15:32:37 EDT Michael: If you check the 2 year chart of COLM, you see a multi-bottomed base which broke out via the upgap of April 2003, without bothering to form a handle. But after breaking out, COLM shook out a few more "shaky" investors by correcting on pretty heavy volume. Then it recovered. So what to do? Look at the numbers. Pretty good history. 5 yr. average EPS growth 22%. But projected growth this year and next only 11-12%. So why the sudden enthusiasm reflected by the upgap of April? Because COLM came out with a 42% "surprise" over street estimates of EPS for most recent quarter! Why? I don't know. One-time "bonanza"? Any evidence of ability to maintain such surprises? Don't know those things either. Seems to me that anyone would want to find all that out before laying money on a situation like COLM's. The chart sheds light on timeliness, but not worthiness. Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 13:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Mike It come down to what your plan and rules are for yourself for buying a stock. Does one of your rules allow you to buy a stock "breaking out" with less than 150% average volume? If yes, then buy it. If no, then stick to your plan and move on to another stock. If you have strict rules and discipline, you wouldn't be tempted. If you do not have rules for yourself, you will always be able to come up with some sort of excuse to buy something. Best Regards - Fanus --- michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: > It is still going up......any other thoughts > Katherine? It would be a > violation of the breakout rule since volume is so > low, but it is VERY > tempting...... > > > > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Richards" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COLM Date: 30 May 2003 16:40:02 -0500 Rules are only for general guidance. They are made to be broken . . . Sometimes for the better but more often you get burnt doing so. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:32 PM It is still going up......any other thoughts Katherine? It would be a violation of the breakout rule since volume is so low, but it is VERY tempting...... Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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