From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1510 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Monday, June 18 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1510 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] KKD Re: [CANSLIM] new to group Re: [CANSLIM] canslim.net Breakout Strategy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:53:22 -0700 From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] KKD This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C0F830.54713D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, I would never propose to Tracie that investing is a guy kind of thing = :). First of all she's probably better than I am. Secondly, at the = recent IBD seminar here in L.A. WON stated that he felt that Women were = better investors than men. His reasoning is that women tend to follow = most of the rules whereas guys tend to follow the ones they like. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] KKD Way to go, Tracie!!! Don't let Jay tell you investing is a "guy" kind = of thing! Best advice I can give both of you is from my recent experience with = EPIQ. It has already passed beyond any model I could use for setting a = selling target price. So I just keep a sell limit about 15% or so ahead = of the prior day's close, and wait to see if a sudden spike takes me = out. Otherwise, I would just employ a trailing stop of 15%, and enjoy = the gains (and the sugar rush). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jay Oken=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] KKD I know everyone is bashing KKD, "because they are only selling = doughnuts", but we have a serious investing question about it. Tracie = bought it on 5/16 at 27.05 on the breakout. She is now up 55% on it (as = I said in an earlier post, she is doing much better than me this year). = The most recent base is only about 3 weeks long and it is now = accelerating off the 2/1 split. Do we look to sell it (or maybe half) if = it runs up another few days. Or hold on for in the hope of bigger gains = since it appears to be one of the strongest performers in the market. = Given the current weakness in the market I lean towards locking in = profit but don't want to be too quick on a strong stock. - ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C0F830.54713D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
 
I would never propose to Tracie that = investing is a=20 guy kind of thing :). First of all she's probably better than I=20 am. Secondly, at the recent IBD seminar here in L.A. WON stated = that he=20 felt that Women were better investors than men. His reasoning is that = women tend=20 to follow most of the rules whereas guys tend to follow the ones they=20 like.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 = 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = KKD

Way to go, Tracie!!! Don't let Jay tell you = investing is a=20 "guy" kind of thing!
 
Best advice I can give both of you is from my = recent=20 experience with EPIQ. It has already passed beyond any model I could = use for=20 setting a selling target price. So I just keep a sell limit about 15% = or so=20 ahead of the prior day's close, and wait to see if a sudden spike = takes me=20 out. Otherwise, I would just employ a trailing stop of 15%, and enjoy = the=20 gains (and the sugar rush).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jay=20 Oken
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 = 9:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] KKD

I know everyone is bashing KKD, = "because they=20 are only selling doughnuts", but we have a serious investing = question about=20 it. Tracie bought it on 5/16 at 27.05 on the breakout. She is = now up=20 55% on it (as I said in an earlier post, she is doing much = better than=20 me this year). The most recent base is only about 3 weeks long and = it=20 is now accelerating off the 2/1 split. Do we look to sell it = (or maybe=20 half) if it runs up another few days. Or hold on for in the hope of = bigger=20 gains since it appears to be one of the strongest performers in the = market.=20 Given the current weakness in the market I lean towards locking in = profit=20 but don't want to be too quick on a strong=20 stock.
- ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C0F830.54713D80-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:00:12 -0700 From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new to group Welcome Neal. As one who was critical of Mr. Staton's posts (and still is), I found your introduction very refreshing. You will find that there are (is?) a wide range of opinions on this board but they are very stimulating. As you can see it is also a place to get support when things are not going your way. As a recent newcomer myself I have found that you will get the most out of the board by being active. Everyone has a genuine interest in helping others and I have not seen any question made fun of. Again, welcome. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Frankle" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] new to group > Hello. My name is Neal and I am new to the group. I have been following > WON for 3 years and investing using the system since 1/2000. > > I broke even in 2000 and in 2001 I am up 9% for the year. I was feeling > very much like a looser having seen lots of profits slip away over the > past weeks but being here gives me some perspective. THANKS! I feel > better. > > To be frank, I am a professional money manger but I am NOT soliciting > business. I want to sharpen my IBD skills, learn and contribute when > possible. > > Regards and Thanks! > > Neal > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:06:30 -0700 From: "Chris McShaffrey" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] canslim.net Breakout Strategy This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0F832.2A113D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the post Tom - wondered who was behind canslim.net and = whether it was worth it to check out. Does WON endorse this site? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] canslim.net Breakout Strategy Sorry, Denis, but the owner of canslim.net I believe was a former = member of this group. Assuming I am correct, I was not impressed with = his grasp or understanding of the market then, nor am persuaded that a = mechanical trading mechanism will work now. Try me again in a year or = so, or three years or so ago, after you have experienced a few more = cycles. CANSLIM is not a day trader's fantasy, it is designed for investors = instead. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Denis Breglia=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] canslim.net Breakout Strategy For the past two weeks I've been paper trading a mechanical strategy = based on closing prices and the breakout list at canslim.net. I was = looking for a quick, easy to implement, reliable trading system which = would "beat the index" without due diligence. This strategy did fairly = well for the week of 6/4-8. It beat QQQ 4 of 5 days and SPY 3 of 5 = days. But it lost to DIA 4 of 5 days. NOTE: There were no stops = used. All picks were held to today's close. For any of you that don't know already, canslim.net uses an = extensive screening process to develop a "Leaders List" of about 400 = stocks. Hourly, during the trading day, the Leaders List is screened = for stocks that have reached or surpassed their 52 week highs. My paper trading strategy was to further screen the breakout list at = market close for those stocks whose trading volume exceeded 300% ADV = (just to get a manageable number of picks). I considered my buys to be = the market closing prices. Please note: I wasn't very precise on my volume screen. I eyeballed = the numbers. My picking process took less than a minute a day. My picks, buy prices, today's closing prices and the %Gain (loss) as = of close today are listed below: 6/4/01 AMN, 77.87, 56.30, (27.70), BANR, 20.21, 21.04, 4.11, CFFN, 18.28, 18.28, 0.00, CPRT, 26.20, 24.78, ( 5.42), DFXI, 38.13, 37.01, ( 2.94), EASI, 39.54, 33.00, (16.54), ESI, 43.55, 42.98, ( 1.31), GISX, 10.98, 9.80, (10.75), HITK, 9.04, 8.60, ( 4.87), HOC, 48.65, 45.75, ( 5.96), MOVI, 14.88, 14.37, ( 3.43), TARO, 73.75, 77.00, 4.41, WTSLA, 37.35, 35.67, ( 4.50), Average ( 5.74) For Comparison DIA, 110.67, 107.00, ( 3.32), SPY, 127.34, 121.26, ( 4.77), QQQ, 45.83, 42.03, ( 8.29), =20 6/5/01 AMN, 72.95, 56.30, ( 22.82), CBM, 56.99, 53.96, ( 5.32), DFXI, 40.20, 37.01, ( 7.94), DYII, 21.00, 16.29, ( 22.43), ENTG, 15.20, 12.00, ( 21.05), FDS, 44.90, 32.99, ( 26.53), HITK, 9.00, 8.60, ( 4.44), KG, 55.10, 55.35, 0.45, SP, 41.60, 30.62, ( 26.39), SRDX, 58.00, 38.00, ( 34.48), TGI, 47.75, 45.05, ( 5.65), TGX, 11.10, 10.75, ( 3.15), WTSLA, 38.10, 35.67, ( 6.38), Average ( 14.32) For Comparison DIA, 111.96, 107.00, ( 4.43), SPY, 128.80, 121.26, ( 5.85), QQQ, 47.85, 42.03, ( 12.16), 6/6/01 DKWD, 29.15, 33.76, 15.81, FDS, 42.25, 32.99, ( 25.45), HDL, 14.00, 15.92, 13.71, LNCR, 65.40, 63.00, ( 3.67), SFC, 17.70, 19.74, 11.53, SP, 43.00, 30.62, ( 28.79), TGX, 11.05, 10.75, ( 2.71), Average ( 2.79) For Comparison DIA, 111.05, 107.00, ( 3.65), SPY, 127.73, 121.26, ( 5.07), QQQ, 47.48, 42.03, ( 11.48), 6/7/01 BBX, 7.38, 7.61, 3.12, DKWD, 31.41, 33.76, 7.48, MDCI, 8.95, 7.45, ( 16.76), SFC, 20.00, 19.74, ( 1.30), TTWO, 23.95, 21.10, ( 11.90), WTM, 364.00, 380.00, ( 4.40), XTRM, 10.04, 9.04, ( 9.96), Average ( = 4.82) For Comparison DIA, 110.91, 107.00, ( = 3.53), SPY, 128.19, 121.26, ( 5.41), QQQ, 48.70, 42.03, ( = 13.70), 6/8/01 AMWD, 35.99, 36.50, 1.42, CNTL, 27.60, 22.80, ( = 17.39), DKWD, 33.67, 33.76, 0.27, HDL, 15.00, 15.92, = 6.13, SFC, 22.30, 19.74, ( = 11.48), Average = ( 4.21) For Comparison DIA, 109.75, 107.00, ( = 2.51), SPY, 127.00, 121.26, ( = 4.52), QQQ, 47.35, 42.03, ( = 10.57), =20 Any comments? Suggestions for another strategy? An obvious one is = to set 8% stop losses. This would require a lot more time to test. = Would it be worth doing? Note: I can't monitor during the day, so = strategies (if I'm to implement them) must not depend on intraday = trading (with exception of stop & limit orders). Perhaps there isn't = any "easy" way. =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C0F832.2A113D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the post Tom - wondered who = was behind=20 canslim.net and whether it was worth it to check out.  Does WON = endorse=20 this site?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 = 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = canslim.net=20 Breakout Strategy

Sorry, Denis, but the owner of canslim.net I = believe was a=20 former member of this group. Assuming I am correct, I was not = impressed with=20 his grasp or understanding of the market then, nor am persuaded that a = mechanical trading mechanism will work now.  Try me again in a = year or=20 so, or three years or so ago, after you have experienced a few more=20 cycles.
 
CANSLIM is not a day trader's fantasy, it is = designed for=20 investors instead.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Denis=20 Breglia
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 = 7:02=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = canslim.net Breakout=20 Strategy

For the past two weeks I've been paper trading a = mechanical strategy based on closing prices and the breakout list at = canslim.net.  I was looking for a quick, easy to implement, = reliable=20 trading system which would "beat the index" without due=20 diligence.  This strategy did fairly well for the week of = 6/4-8. =20 It beat QQQ 4 of 5 days and  SPY 3 of 5 days.  But it lost = to=20 DIA  4 of 5 days.  NOTE:  There were no stops = used.  All=20 picks were held to today's close.
 
For any of you that don't know already, = canslim.net uses=20 an extensive screening process to develop a "Leaders List" of about = 400=20 stocks.  Hourly, during the trading day, the Leaders List is = screened=20 for stocks that have reached or surpassed their 52 week = highs.
 
My paper trading strategy was to further screen = the=20 breakout list at market close for those stocks whose trading volume = exceeded=20 300% ADV (just to get a manageable number of picks).  I = considered my=20 buys to be the market closing prices.
 
Please note: I wasn't very precise on my volume=20 screen.  I eyeballed the numbers. My picking process took = less=20 than a minute a day.
 
My picks, buy prices, today's closing prices and = the %Gain=20 (loss) as of close today are listed below:
 
6/4/01
 
AMN,        =20 77.87,     56.30,    =20 (27.70),
BANR,    =20  20.21,    =20 21.04,         = 4.11,
CFFN,    =20  18.28,    =20 = 18.28,         0.00,<= /DIV>
CPRT,     =20 26.20,     24.78,     = ( =20 5.42),
DFXI,       =20 = 38.13,     37.01,     (=  =20 2.94),
EASI,       =20 39.54,     33.00,    =20 (16.54),
ESI,       =   =20 43.55,     42.98,    =20 (  1.31),
GISX,    =20 =    10.98,      9.80, &n= bsp;   =20 (10.75),
HITK,     =     =20 9.04,      = 8.60,     =20 (  4.87),
HOC,      =20  48.65,    =20 45.75,     (  5.96),
MOVI,      =20  14.88,     14.37,     = ( =20 3.43),
TARO,      73.75,   = ; =20 77.00,         = 4.41,
WTSLA,   = 37.35,    =20 35.67,      (  = 4.50),
 
Average         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 (  5.74)
 
For Comparison
DIA,      =20 110.67,     107.00,    =20 (   3.32),
SPY,     =20 127.34,     121.26,    =20 (   4.77),
QQQ,      =20 45.83,       = 42.03,    =20 (   8.29), 
 
6/5/01
 
AMN,       =20 72.95,      =20 56.30,      (  22.82),
CBM,       =20 56.99,      =20 53.96,      (    = 5.32),
DFXI,        40.20, = ;     =20 37.01,      (    = 7.94),
DYII,          = = 21.00,      16.29,    &= nbsp; ( =20 22.43),
ENTG,     =20 = 15.20,      12.00,    &= nbsp; =20 (  21.05),
FDS,         44.90,=       32.99,     &= nbsp;=20 (  26.53),
HITK,          = 9.00,        =20 8.60,       (   =20 4.44),
KG,          &= nbsp; 55.10,      55.35,  &n= bsp;        =20 0.45,
SP,          &= nbsp; 41.60,     30.62,       ( =20 26.39),
SRDX,     =20 58.00,      =20 38.00,       (  = 34.48),
TGI,          = =20 47.75,      =20 45.05,       (   =20 5.65),
TGX,         =20 11.10,      =20 10.75,       (   =20 3.15),
WTSLA,    =20 = 38.10,      35.67,   =   =20 (   6.38),
 
Average         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;       =20 (  14.32)
 
For Comparison
DIA,          = =20 111.96,    =20 107.00,        = (   =20 4.43),
SPY,          = 128.80,    =20 121.26,        = (   =20 5.85),
QQQ,          = =20 47.85,       =20 42.03,       =20 (  12.16),
 
6/6/01
 
DKWD,      =20 29.15,        =20 =  33.76,          &= nbsp;=20 15.81,
FDS,          =  =20 42.25,         =20 32.99,        ( =20 25.45),
HDL,          =  =20 14.00,         =20 15.92,          =20  13.71,
LNCR,         65.40= ,         =20 = 63.00,        (   = =20 3.67),
SFC,          =   =20 17.70,         =20 19.74,          =20 11.53,
SP,          &= nbsp;    =20 43.00,         =20 30.62,        ( =20 28.79),
TGX,          =    =20 11.05,         =20 10.75,        (    = 2.71),
 
Average         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =   =20 (    2.79)
 
For Comparison
DIA,          =    =20 111.05,      =20 107.00,         =20 (   3.65),
SPY,          =   =20 127.73,      =20 121.26,          = (  =20 5.07),
QQQ,          =    =20 47.48,         =20 42.03,        =20 ( 11.48),
 
6/7/01
 
BBX,          =        7.38,    &n= bsp;        =20 = 7.61,           &n= bsp;  =20 3.12,
DKWD,          = ;=20 31.41,          =20 = 33.76,           &= nbsp; =20  7.48,
MDCI,          = ;     =20 = 8.95,           &n= bsp;=20 = 7.45,           (&= nbsp;=20 16.76),
SFC,          =      =20 = 20.00,           1= 9.74,          ( &= nbsp;  =20 1.30),
TTWO,          = ;  =20 23.95,          =20 21.10,          = (  =20 11.90),
WTM,          =    364.00,        = =20 380.00,         =20 (     4.40),
XTRM,          = ;  =20 = 10.04,           &= nbsp;  9.04,        &nb= sp; =20 (    9.96),
 
Average         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =          (   = =20 4.82)
 
For Comparison
DIA,          =       =20  110.91,        =20 = 107.00,           = =20 (     3.53),
SPY,          =       =20 128.19,         121.26,=20           =20 (     5.41),
QQQ,          =        =20 = 48.70,            = = 42.03,            = (   13.70),
 
6/8/01
 
AMWD,          = ;     =20 = 35.99,            = = 36.50,           &= nbsp;     =20 1.42,
CNTL,          = ;       =20 = 27.60,            = = 22.80,           (=   =20 17.39),
DKWD,          = ;       33.67,    =        =20 = 33.76,           &= nbsp;    =20 0.27,
HDL,          =           =20 = 15.00,            = = 15.92,           &= nbsp;   =20  6.13,
SFC,          =             2= 2.30,           =20 = 19.74,          ( =   11.48),
 
Average         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (      4.21)
 
For Comparison
DIA,          =              = 109.75,         =20 = 107.00,           =  =20 (    2.51),
SPY,          =             1= 27.00,          121.26,=              = (    4.52),
QQQ,          =              = = 47.35,            = = 42.03,           &= nbsp;=20 (   10.57),       =
 
 
Any comments? Suggestions for another = strategy?  An=20 obvious one is to set 8% stop losses.  This would require a lot = more=20 time to test.  Would it be worth doing? Note:  I can't = monitor=20 during the day, so strategies (if I'm to implement them) must not = depend on=20 intraday trading (with exception of stop & limit=20 orders).   Perhaps there isn't any "easy" way.   =
 
 
 
 
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