From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1711 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Saturday, October 6 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1711 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0600 From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data - --=====================_42639494==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to take a closer look at TC2000. At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members > >I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my >agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my >DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be >discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I >will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. > >I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual >property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only >those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, >Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. > >I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in >this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I >cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from >members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I >never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that >there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD >shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group >credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. >To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial >purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this >group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. > >This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being >monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some >kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. > >The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning >delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like >they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have >the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with >a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my >ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is >up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every >major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). > >Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the >entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can >at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" >policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO >to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and >the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books >rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members >to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the >same results. > >Sincerely, > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley - --=====================_42639494==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom

I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to take a closer look at TC2000.

At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
- --=====================_42639494==_.ALT-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:44:03 -0700 From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data This is absolutely remarkable. Their level of pettiness...shee. I think you should post you uncommonly restrained response to this list= now and then, for the benefit of new members who might be thinking of= subscribing to DGO. It seems that many members have come up with ways of= approximating what DGO offers (HGS, Quotes-Plus, etc). Our continued= exchange of this information will remind the lurkers from DGO that they= have lost more than they have gained by assuming such a hostile posture.= (Of course, they may tell themselves it is the principle...but in my= experience, the sort of pettiness they have demonstrated does not coexist= with any sort of principle decent folk might want to emulate.) Jack *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my >agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my >DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be >discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I >will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. ......etc.... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:49:01 -0700 From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data We could all pool our negative experiences and--yes, that's right--put it= on the web! Before long, DGO/IBD could look like the Scientology of= investment journalism! Jack > >P.S. I have copies of all the e-mails that I sent and received, as well as >my Visa Statement, to document this incident (and am willing to provide >them to Ms. McKnight if she asks for them). I have only stated what I know >to be facts but I would say Caveat Emptor to anyone looking to subscribe >to DGO or who is a subscriber to DGO. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:21:00 -0700 From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 05:43:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data The notice that Tom got seems to be in line with what ValueLine is doing with their data. A variety of stock selection screens have been developed outside of ValueLine that all use data from the Index and Summary section of ValueLine's publication. As ValueLine learns about new web sites and discussion groups that continue to publish the lists, the lawyers come in with their threats to shut them down. Sad, but seemingly unavoidable. Robert - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:08:36 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of free speech, I'll = still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I prefer to = put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO = credits or free advertising. On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well orchestrated attack on the = USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from over 47 to 30. = Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the = military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize = in the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of = government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only = grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades = at a high premium both trailing and projected. There have been a few defense oriented stocks you could have bot after = we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own them to = benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended = stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new = military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I = don't know enough about the company to guess on this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always = thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am = sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost = a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess = this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought = would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is = probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention = this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it = turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of = free speech,=20 I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I = prefer to put=20 in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO credits = or free=20 advertising.
 
On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well = orchestrated=20 attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from = over 47 to=20 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the = military.=20 I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize in the = form of=20 contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of government. Both = earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only grew 4 cents = over=20 past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades at a high premium = both=20 trailing and projected.
 
There have been a few defense oriented stocks you = could have=20 bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own = them to=20 benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended = stock=20 without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new = military=20 contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I don't know = enough=20 about the company to guess on this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 6:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance of=20 my posting DGO Data/EASI



I was on this list a few years back and just = joined=20 again. I always thought
Tom's postings were of the highest quality = and most=20 informative I am sorry
to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the = great=20 info.
I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I = have=20 lost a
bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well = I guess=20 this is
the world we live in.
I have been following EASI, = yesterday it=20 got to the price I thought would
be the entry point $54.50 so I = took the=20 plunge, of course this is probably
the kiss of death for them. I = have not=20 seen to many people mention this
particular stock. What am I = missing? It=20 looked perfect to me. As it turns
out the stock came to a = screeching halt=20 the instant I got in.

Charlie



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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:32:57 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were good and presumed an = oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted to be = intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the = entire list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is = identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains = the same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and = figures for each stock are identical to those found in the Work". = Naturally, this is true since I delete from the downloaded spread sheet = those rows for stocks I did not find worthy of mention, leaving the = remaining data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the lesser = important columns, and changed the column headings on the rest, and used = different stock symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did = you? Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they = would be happy? I find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes the most disappointing = and long awaited beta version) in that it only considers the stocks = already prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much of the = data sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to = finally provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very = little, certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major = upgrade, it didn't even make private first class in my book. I caused DGO no harm as I can see, certainly no more than they have = caused me by the charting service periodically not being available. I = posted static data on a limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day = or two, the data would be different. Certainly no one would decide not = to subscribe because of my posting (unless they thought I am such a good = stock picker that they only needed my list and not DGO services). Having = been warned, I don't intend to persist in violating their copyright = according to their interpretation, so I do not expect further action on = their part. Nor has DGO Customer Service responded to my initial email, = and they are usually very quick to respond. Since this had nothing to do = with service, I suspect they passed this hot potato along to Ms. = McKnight. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at = your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, = RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through = the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate = Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp = Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you = can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not = include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too = much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real = power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as = far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's = the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you = need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other = data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say = that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it = might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. = I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer = that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to = take a closer look at TC2000. At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation = of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had = listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. =20 I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. =20 I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. =20 This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. =20 The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). =20 Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. =20 Sincerely, =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were = good and=20 presumed an oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted = to be=20 intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the = entire=20 list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is = identical to=20 that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains the same = titles for=20 each category of data, also the abbreviations and figures for each stock = are=20 identical to those found in the Work". Naturally, this is true since I = delete=20 from the downloaded spread sheet those rows for stocks I did not find = worthy of=20 mention, leaving the remaining data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some = of the=20 lesser important columns, and changed the column headings on the rest, = and used=20 different stock symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did = you?=20 Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they = would be=20 happy?
 
I find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes = the most=20 disappointing and long awaited beta version) in that it only considers = the=20 stocks already prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much = of the=20 data sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to = finally=20 provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very little,=20 certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major = upgrade, it=20 didn't even make private first class in my book.
 
I caused DGO no harm as I can see, certainly no more = than they=20 have caused me by the charting service periodically not being available. = I=20 posted static data on a limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day = or two,=20 the data would be different. Certainly no one would decide not to = subscribe=20 because of my posting (unless they thought I am such a good stock picker = that=20 they only needed my list and not DGO services). Having been warned, I = don't=20 intend to persist in violating their copyright according to their=20 interpretation, so I do not expect further action on their part. Nor has = DGO=20 Customer Service responded to my initial email, and they are usually = very quick=20 to respond. Since this had nothing to do with service, I suspect they = passed=20 this hot potato along to Ms. McKnight.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 1:55=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom

I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was = objecting=20 to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the = spreadsheet=20 included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site = and looked=20 through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect = Corporate=20 Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, = Grp Str,=20 SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you = can still=20 post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the = other=20 data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure = they'll=20 let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in = the=20 availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned = it's=20 not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two = pages they=20 include just about everything else you need to know about a company. = Of course=20 if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really = really=20 powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is=20 watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. = Even with=20 the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't = think I'd=20 prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I = need to=20 take a closer look at TC2000.

At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you=20 wrote:
To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice = this=20 morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting = the data=20 on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was = warned that=20 not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally = prosecuted=20 for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my = well=20 intended practice.
 
I felt then, = and still=20 feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had = developed.=20 I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I = had=20 reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight = and her=20 corporate counsel feel differently.
 
I would=20 also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this = discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I = cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from = members=20 of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I = never heard=20 back from her once she got her information. I also note that there = have been=20 numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after = similar=20 discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or = acknowledged=20 as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft = of=20 intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. = Maybe Jeff=20 Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand=20 payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This=20 legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being=20 monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some=20 kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky=20 approach.
 
The most upsetting part = of this=20 for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a = simple=20 email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email = address,=20 after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I = also=20 don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was = thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money = even in a=20 solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six = trading=20 days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving = the list=20 of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless = Ms.=20 McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire = DGO=20 List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at = least=20 continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy = so=20 directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to = provide=20 even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the = continuing=20 limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather = than all=20 stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy = this=20 service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same=20 results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom = Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
- ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:43:29 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C14E3A.97D9FD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ernie, That was part of their heavy handedness that upset me so. I have been an = avid supporter of DGO, a simple email would have been sufficient. I = think the service is good, to the degree that it presents a = comprehensive amount of data on a single security. But if I got a buck = for every time I have pointed out errors in their data, I would be = entitled to a free year just from that. It's not like I haven't helped = them, especially during their original beta period before going = commercial.=20 Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is for WON to be = available weekly for an online chat. Let us hear from the boss, and ask = him the questions directly that we presently wait for the monitors to = give to IBD to write an article about. I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall in the DGO offices on = Monday. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Hi Tom, =20 Very foolish move by dgo! =20 Perhaps they should read the archives, and they would see that you = have provided very good advertising for them. If anything they should be = paying you, or providing you with a free subscription. Instead they have = likely alienated the majority of the people on this list. I don't know = what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may have, but if her degree is = in marketing she should ask for a refund of her tuition. =20 E =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data =20 To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed = in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. =20 I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. =20 I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. =20 This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. =20 The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). =20 Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. =20 Sincerely, =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C14E3A.97D9FD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ernie,
 
That was part of their heavy handedness that upset = me so. I=20 have been an avid supporter of DGO, a simple email would have been = sufficient. I=20 think the service is good, to the degree that it presents a = comprehensive amount=20 of data on a single security. But if I got a buck for every time I have = pointed=20 out errors in their data, I would be entitled to a free year just from = that.=20 It's not like I haven't helped them, especially during their original = beta=20 period before going commercial.
 
Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is = for WON=20 to be available weekly for an online chat. Let us hear from the boss, = and ask=20 him the questions directly that we presently wait for the monitors to = give to=20 IBD to write an article about.
 
I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall = in the DGO=20 offices on Monday.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 12:08=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Hi=20 Tom,

 

Very=20 foolish move by dgo!

 

Perhaps=20 they should read the archives, and they would see that you have = provided very=20 good advertising for them. If anything they should be paying you, or = providing=20 you with a free subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the = majority=20 of the people on this list. I don’t know what kind of degree if = any Ms.=20 McKnight may have, but if her degree is in marketing she should ask = for a=20 refund of her tuition.

 

E

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 7:57=20 PM
To: DGOnline = Customer=20 Service; CANSLIM
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

 

To:=20 Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs=20 Online

    CANSLIM = Discussion=20 Group Members

 

I=20 was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my=20 agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in = my DGO=20 List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be=20 discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. = I will,=20 of course, cease and desist from my well intended = practice.

 

I=20 felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual=20 property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather = only=20 those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  = Obviously,=20 Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently.

 

I=20 would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in = this=20 discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I=20 cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from = members of=20 this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never = heard back=20 from her once she got her information. I also note that there = have been=20 numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after = similar=20 discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or = acknowledged as=20 providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of=20 intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe = Jeff=20 Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand=20 payment when they steal our ideas.

 

This=20 legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being=20 monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is = some=20 kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky=20 approach.

 

The=20 most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning = delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not = like they=20 don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the = same=20 legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a = baseball=20 bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to = make=20 good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% = in the=20 past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but = I'm not=20 giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).

 

Unless Ms. McKnight further = objects, I=20 intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my = thoughts and=20 observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this = group.=20 But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with = the=20 continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in = the latest=20 beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those = stocks in=20 the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations=20 to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to = achieve=20 the same results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Tom=20 Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley



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