From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1712 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Saturday, October 6 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1712 In this issue: [CANSLIM] CYTC Re: [CANSLIM] Watchlist Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:32:09 -0400 From: "Ann" Subject: [CANSLIM] CYTC Thanks, Earl, Tom, for feedback. Ann - ----- Original Message ----- From: "esetser" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:35 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : Well, I guess we agree on this chart Tom, I just posted a similar : interpretation before reading yours. I guess I could have just replied and : said "Ditto". : : MAt 09:53 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: : > Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high : >handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in : >the past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we : >have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to : >find buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more : >prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, : >but the rewards can still be there, especially when the fundies are so : >strong. Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: : >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM : >Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that : >undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original : >Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: CANSLIM Sent: : >Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: : >[CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is : >the image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display : >the ADV. I had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change : >the pixel settings in order to see all of the detail. Don't : >know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. : > CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year : >(up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving : >the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing : >in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings : >growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks : >interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's : >never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better that than to be : >confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very rich premiums, : >trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth forecast for : >this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the market cap : >to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching for a : >second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a : >profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie : > Chicko To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October : >05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] : >ibd ADV : >Hey Ann, : > It appears when I print the chart. : > My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI : >Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought : >FHRX : >but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh : yeah : >also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) : >Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. : >Steff : > : >----- Original Message ----- : > : > : >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM : >Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > : > : >> Jans, Norman, : >> Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. : >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> : >> : >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM : >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : >> : >> : >> : Ann: : >> : : >> I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV : >(avergage : >> : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the : >chart. : >> I'm : >> : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". : >> jans : >> : : >> : : >> : : >> : : >> : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, : >> : annholly@mediaone.net writes: : >> : : >><< Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right : >> corner of : >> >> : >> : > : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2001 07:32:27 -0700 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watchlist Peter, I bot a mutual (T Rowe Price Health Sciences) which holds some of these medicals instead of searching for individual stocks. This was last Mon. when they started moving as a group. Their top holding is AHMH... At 08:56 PM 10/5/2001 +0700, you wrote: >This what I am watching... > >AHMH Building a high handle >DP Looking for a pullback >DRMD >MEDM >PGR >PRX >USPH >WTFC Double bottom > >Peter > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:44:15 -0600 From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data One thing to note here. If you own a copyright, and you knowingly allow someone, anyone actually, to violate the copyright repeatedly, this makes your copyright invalid. Sometimes you just need to make a few changes to the data so they are comfortable, but they do have to be careful. This is something we ran into in another area a few years back. At 07:32 AM 10/6/01 -0400, you wrote: > Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were good and presumed an >oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted to be >intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the >entire list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is >identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains the >same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and figures >for each stock are identical to those found in the Work". Naturally, this >is true since I delete from the downloaded spread sheet those rows for >stocks I did not find worthy of mention, leaving the remaining data >unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the lesser important columns, and >changed the column headings on the rest, and used different stock symbols >(didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did you? Wonder if the >exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they would be happy? I >find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes the most disappointing and >long awaited beta version) in that it only considers the stocks already >prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much of the data >sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to finally >provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very little, >certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major upgrade, >it didn't even make private first class in my book. I caused DGO no harm >as I can see, certainly no more than they have caused me by the charting >service periodically not being available. I posted static data on a >limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day or two, the data would be >different. Certainly no one would decide not to subscribe because of my >posting (unless they thought I am such a good stock picker that they only >needed my list and not DGO services). Having been warned, I don't intend >to persist in violating their copyright according to their interpretation, >so I do not expect further action on their part. Nor has DGO Customer >Service responded to my initial email, and they are usually very quick to >respond. Since this had nothing to do with service, I suspect they passed >this hot potato along to Ms. McKnight. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:37:57 -0700 From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Thanks for the information, I guess I thought all stocks were having a tough time long before the terrorist attack and I saw EASI as one of the bunch. Also electronic military, whatever industry group is doing well over the last five weeks which was before the attack. I guess it is live and learn. I will just set my stop high so I don't get to beat up. I am glad you will continue to post in a "non-offensive" to dgo manor. I doubt stock symbols are the property of dgo and all the other stuff is readily available in ibd and other sources. I have not been informed freedom of speech has been repealed just yet so again thanks for the great posts and I hope you will continue. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:09 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of free speech, I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I prefer to put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO credits or free advertising. On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well orchestrated attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from over 47 to 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize in the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades at a high premium both trailing and projected. There have been a few defense oriented stocks you could have bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own them to benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I don't know enough about the company to guess on this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Cangialosi To: Canslim Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
    Thanks for the information, I guess I thought = all stocks=20 were having a tough time long before the terrorist attack and I saw EASI = as one=20 of the bunch. Also electronic military, whatever industry group is doing = well=20 over the last five weeks which was before the attack. I guess it is live = and=20 learn. I will just set my stop high so I don't get to beat=20 up.
    I am glad you will continue to post in a = "non-offensive" to=20 dgo manor. I doubt stock symbols are the property of dgo and all the = other stuff=20 is readily available in ibd and other sources. I have not been = informed =20 freedom of speech has been repealed just yet so  again thanks for = the great=20 posts and I hope you will continue.
 
Charlie
       =20
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:09 = AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] OT:=20 Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI

Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of = free=20 speech, I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the = information I=20 prefer to put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to = give DGO=20 credits or free advertising.
 
On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well = orchestrated=20 attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from = over 47=20 to 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from = the=20 military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to = materialize in=20 the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of=20 government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only = grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now = trades=20 at a high premium both trailing and projected.
 
There have been a few defense oriented stocks you = could have=20 bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already = own them=20 to benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an = extended=20 stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of = new=20 military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I = don't=20 know enough about the company to guess on this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 6:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data/EASI



I was on this list a few years back and just = joined=20 again. I always thought
Tom's postings were of the highest = quality and=20 most informative I am sorry
to hear it will end. Tom thanks for = all the=20 great info.
I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the = price but I=20 have lost a
bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. = Oh well I=20 guess this is
the world we live in.
I have been following = EASI,=20 yesterday it got to the price I thought would
be the entry point = $54.50=20 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably
the kiss of = death for=20 them. I have not seen to many people mention this
particular = stock. What=20 am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns
out the stock = came to=20 a screeching halt the instant I got=20 in.

Charlie



-
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your = email.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:13:52 EDT From: Mhboatman@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom, I am sorry to hear about this "attitude" from Ms. McKnight. I am sure she feels she is "corporate right." However, sometimes being right, and expressing it, may be the wrong thing to do. This was one example. I maybe a lurker here but I am also (and have been a long term) IBD and a DGO subscriber. The very fact that I subscribed in the first place was a direct result of your strong endorsement of DGO. However, I am un-impressed with the amount of service DGO provides for the cost. I like the service but.... without some sort of a screening program it is not worth the cost, period! Unfortunately, on lessor matters, I have had some less than friendly exchanges with the folks at both DGO and IBD. Their customer service level stinks! That plus their response to your efforts to help newbies and others (which was what caused me to subscribe to DGO in the first) is causing me to look for less expensive and better on line tools from other sources. I have never liked dealing with people that I can't respect. Ms. Mcknight thank you for causing me to rethink where I obtain my on-line investment data (DGO). Less you forget, it is your customers who pay for your presents there. And Tom, I thank you for your support. We all appreciate your willingness and ability to encourage the folks who watch this list. We do hope you will continue. Howard - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:07:40 -0500 From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E9A.2BAE2E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gee Whiz Tom, can't you get along with anybody? :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results. 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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stk= guru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 20= 01 7:57 PM
To: DGOnline Customer Servic= e; CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

 

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online<= /span>

    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members

 

I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my D= GO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be disconti= nued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.

 

I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only t= hose stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently.

 

I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooper= ated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this gr= oup. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged= as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intelle= ctual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury ne= eds to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.

 

This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monit= ored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of ba= ck handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.

 

The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning deli= very by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't = have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. = And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good mon= ey even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving t= he list of stocks to DGO or IBD).

 

Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" poli= cy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this serv= ice and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley



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