From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1852 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1852 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:14:55 -0700 From: "Paul Lewis" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17767.08E1734A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Posts to this group do _not_ become part of the public domain; copyright automatically exists in the US for all works reduced to a tangible medium - e.g., an email. Whether this is a "public forum" is beside the point. =20 If IBD is copying text from this listserv (as distinguished from discussing concepts or ideas that are floated here; ideas are not protected by copyright, only the particular expressions of ideas), they may well be violating the author's copyright.=20 =20 There's no need to form a legal entity; individual copyright owners (authors) can sue in their own right. =20 The real problem is: what's the damage to the author? Unless the work is registered, it's difficult to make a lawsuit worthwhile. =20 You can bet that IBD is doing its copying (if it is actually copying) in knowing violation of the copyright laws. IBD knows these laws extremely well. They don't hesitate to hammer anyone who republishes any meaningful amount of their proprietary data. Assuming the honchos at IBD know about the (alleged) copying, and it isn't just a problem with a lazy or dishonest journalist, they are counting on the fact that we don't individually have enough at stake to make a lawsuit worthwhile. =20 (Yes, I'm a lawyer.) ________________________________ PAUL F. LEWIS - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:10 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I would also contribute. =20 The decision is Jeff Salisbury's as list owner, but I think it's time for IBD to 'fess up, and at least credit us, if not also pay Jeff some royalties for all the material they have harvested here for commercial purposes. =20 I also disagree that this is a "public forum" since the general public cannot simply plug in and read what we post. They must first register, and should have to agree to certain terms and conditions as part of their presence here. By proceeding with registration, they would be agreeing with those terms and conditions. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tangen, Eric =20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I for one would chip in a few buck to register this forum as a legal entity if that is what it would take to get some attribution for the great work that appears first here and then, mysteriously, in Investor's Corner. ERIC TANGEN=20 - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [ mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:00 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I don't subscribe to IBD, nor have for many years. And I certainly would not now, with them using our ideas and discussions to present as if original material from their writers. Even if it is legal, and I have doubts about that, it certainly is unethical to do so without attribution. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci =20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Nice try Tom.... but no dice. I have a lawyer friend that said we would have to become a legal entity and not be a public forum... and all that stuff. Once info is published here is becomes part of the public domain..... unless it is pirated from a copyrighted source....=20 =20 Question: If IBD gets their material from this board, why do you subscribe to IBD? I dropped my subscription about 3 months ago....=20 =20 =20 - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again There must be at least one lawyer in this group that can tell us if it's legal for IBD writers to lurk in this group, then use our thoughts and ideas as the source of columns written for commercial purposes without permission or attribution. =20 And if it's legal, then I would suggest that Jeff add to the automated footer something like DGO uses on their Custom Screens. For example, the footer could read: =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -All correspondence and discussion here is considered the intellectual property of this group collectively and individually. Your presence here is strictly for your personal use and nothing expressed here is to be used for any commercial or other purposes, including source materials, ideas or inspirations for articles in Investors Business Daily, without the written consent of the List Owner. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser =20 To: canslim@xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Looking at today's Investor's Corner, I got a solid case of Deja Vu. It is discussing the TARO breakout and breakdown, and points out other failures in the same group that should have been a solid warning. =20 Hmm, I don't remember this warning from IBD before it failed, but I do seem to remember a similar discussion here. Good call Katherine!! =20 Oh, and maybe you should call IBD about using your Intellectual Property? Nah, just kidding. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17767.08E1734A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Posts to=20 this group do _not_ become part of the public domain;=20 copyright automatically exists in the US for all works reduced to a = tangible medium - e.g., an email.  Whether this is a "public forum" = is=20 beside the point.
 
If IBD is=20 copying text from this listserv (as distinguished from discussing = concepts or=20 ideas that are floated here; ideas are not protected by copyright, only = the=20 particular expressions of ideas), they may well be violating = the=20 author's copyright. 
 
There's no=20 need to form a legal entity; individual copyright owners (authors) can = sue in=20 their own right.
 
The=20 real problem is:  what's the damage to the author?  = Unless the=20 work is registered, it's difficult to make a lawsuit=20 worthwhile.
 
You can bet=20 that IBD is doing its copying (if it is actually copying) in knowing = violation=20 of the copyright laws. IBD knows these laws extremely = well.  They=20 don't hesitate to hammer anyone who republishes any meaningful = amount=20 of their proprietary data.  Assuming the honchos at IBD know = about the=20 (alleged) copying, and it isn't just a problem with a lazy or=20 dishonest journalist, they are counting on the fact that = we don't=20 individually have enough at stake to make a lawsuit=20 worthwhile.
 
(Yes, I'm a lawyer.)

________________________________


PAUL F. LEWIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2001 6:10=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Deja Vu, all over again

I would also contribute.
 
The decision is Jeff Salisbury's as list owner, = but I think=20 it's time for IBD to 'fess up, and at least credit us, if not also pay = Jeff=20 some royalties for all the material they have harvested here for = commercial=20 purposes.
 
I also disagree that this is a "public forum" = since the=20 general public cannot simply plug in and read what we post. They must = first=20 register, and should have to agree to certain terms and conditions as = part of=20 their presence here. By proceeding with registration, they would be = agreeing=20 with those terms and conditions.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tangen, Eric
Sent: Monday, November 26, = 2001 12:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja = Vu, all=20 over again

I for one would chip in a few buck = to register=20 this forum as a legal entity if that is what it would take to get = some=20 attribution for the great work that appears first here and then,=20 mysteriously, in Investor's Corner.

ERIC = TANGEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:00 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja = Vu, all=20 over again

I don't subscribe to IBD, nor have for many = years. And I=20 certainly would not now, with them using our ideas and discussions = to=20 present as if original material from their writers. Even if it is = legal,=20 and I have doubts about that, it certainly is unethical to do so = without=20 attribution.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gene = Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, November = 24, 2001=20 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Deja Vu, all=20 over again

Nice try Tom.... but no dice. = I have a=20 lawyer friend that said we would have to become a = legal entity=20 and not be a public forum... and all that stuff. Once info is = published=20 here is becomes part of the public domain..... unless it is = pirated from=20 a copyrighted source.... 
 
Question: If IBD gets = their=20 material from this board, why do you subscribe to IBD? I dropped = my=20 subscription about 3 months ago....
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, = November 24, 2001=20 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Deja Vu,=20 all over again

There must be at least one lawyer in this = group that=20 can tell us if it's legal for IBD writers to lurk in this = group, then=20 use our thoughts and ideas as the source of columns written = for=20 commercial purposes without permission or = attribution.
 
And if it's legal, then I would suggest = that Jeff=20 add to the automated footer something like DGO uses on their = Custom=20 Screens. For example, the footer could read:
 
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= =20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your email.
-All correspondence and discussion = here is=20 considered the intellectual property of this group = collectively and=20 individually. Your presence here is strictly for your personal = use and=20 nothing expressed here is to be used for any commercial = or other=20 purposes, including source materials, ideas or inspirations = for=20 articles in Investors Business Daily, without the written = consent of=20 the List Owner.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@xmission.com
Sent: Saturday, = November 24,=20 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Deja Vu, all=20 over again

Looking at today's Investor's Corner, I got a = solid=20 case of Deja Vu.  It is
discussing the TARO breakout = and=20 breakdown, and points out other failures
in the same = group that=20 should have been a solid warning. 

Hmm, I don't = remember this warning from IBD before it failed, but I do = seem
to=20 remember a similar discussion here.  Good call=20 Katherine!! 

Oh, and maybe you should call IBD = about=20 using your Intellectual Property?
Nah, just=20 = kidding.


<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17767.08E1734A-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:21:29 -0800 From: "Chris Mc" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1772D.47387300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently attended the IBD Seminar in L.A. and wanted to share some of = the comments for discussion. Where do you draw the line? I really want = some feedback on some of the comments. It's certainly not my intention = to "damage the author" but just to share and discuss some of what I = learned. Now I'm concerned that this might not be appropriate. Do we = now need to send our email to IBD and have them bless it? Maybe it's IBD intent to start their own discussion group that would be = more open?? Chris Mc - --- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Lewis=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Posts to this group do _not_ become part of the public domain; = copyright automatically exists in the US for all works reduced to a = tangible medium - e.g., an email. Whether this is a "public forum" is = beside the point. If IBD is copying text from this listserv (as distinguished from = discussing concepts or ideas that are floated here; ideas are not = protected by copyright, only the particular expressions of ideas), they = may well be violating the author's copyright.=20 There's no need to form a legal entity; individual copyright owners = (authors) can sue in their own right. The real problem is: what's the damage to the author? Unless the = work is registered, it's difficult to make a lawsuit worthwhile. You can bet that IBD is doing its copying (if it is actually copying) = in knowing violation of the copyright laws. IBD knows these laws = extremely well. They don't hesitate to hammer anyone who republishes = any meaningful amount of their proprietary data. Assuming the honchos = at IBD know about the (alleged) copying, and it isn't just a problem = with a lazy or dishonest journalist, they are counting on the fact that = we don't individually have enough at stake to make a lawsuit worthwhile. (Yes, I'm a lawyer.) ________________________________ PAUL F. LEWIS -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:10 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I would also contribute. The decision is Jeff Salisbury's as list owner, but I think it's = time for IBD to 'fess up, and at least credit us, if not also pay Jeff = some royalties for all the material they have harvested here for = commercial purposes. I also disagree that this is a "public forum" since the general = public cannot simply plug in and read what we post. They must first = register, and should have to agree to certain terms and conditions as = part of their presence here. By proceeding with registration, they would = be agreeing with those terms and conditions. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tangen, Eric=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I for one would chip in a few buck to register this forum as a = legal entity if that is what it would take to get some attribution for = the great work that appears first here and then, mysteriously, in = Investor's Corner. ERIC TANGEN=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:00 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again I don't subscribe to IBD, nor have for many years. And I = certainly would not now, with them using our ideas and discussions to = present as if original material from their writers. Even if it is legal, = and I have doubts about that, it certainly is unethical to do so without = attribution. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Nice try Tom.... but no dice. I have a lawyer friend that said = we would have to become a legal entity and not be a public forum... and = all that stuff. Once info is published here is becomes part of the = public domain..... unless it is pirated from a copyrighted source....=20 Question: If IBD gets their material from this board, why do = you subscribe to IBD? I dropped my subscription about 3 months ago....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again There must be at least one lawyer in this group that can = tell us if it's legal for IBD writers to lurk in this group, then use = our thoughts and ideas as the source of columns written for commercial = purposes without permission or attribution. And if it's legal, then I would suggest that Jeff add to the = automated footer something like DGO uses on their Custom Screens. For = example, the footer could read: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. -All correspondence and discussion here is considered the = intellectual property of this group collectively and individually. Your = presence here is strictly for your personal use and nothing expressed = here is to be used for any commercial or other purposes, including = source materials, ideas or inspirations for articles in Investors = Business Daily, without the written consent of the List Owner. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, all over again Looking at today's Investor's Corner, I got a solid case = of Deja Vu. It is discussing the TARO breakout and breakdown, and points out = other failures in the same group that should have been a solid warning. =20 Hmm, I don't remember this warning from IBD before it = failed, but I do seem to remember a similar discussion here. Good call = Katherine!! =20 Oh, and maybe you should call IBD about using your = Intellectual Property? Nah, just kidding. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1772D.47387300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently attended the IBD Seminar in = L.A. and=20 wanted to share some of the comments for discussion.  Where do = you=20 draw the line?  I really want some feedback on some of the = comments. =20 It's certainly not my intention to "damage the author" but just to share = and=20 discuss some of what I learned.  Now I'm concerned that this might = not be=20 appropriate.  Do we now need to send our email to IBD and have them = bless=20 it?
 
Maybe it's IBD intent to start their = own discussion=20 group that would be more open??
 
Chris Mc
 
--- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul=20 Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2001 9:14=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja Vu, = all over=20 again

Posts to this group do _not_ become part of the = public=20 domain; copyright automatically exists in the US for all works = reduced to=20 a tangible medium - e.g., an email.  Whether this is a "public = forum" is=20 beside the point.
 
If IBD is=20 copying text from this listserv (as distinguished from discussing = concepts or=20 ideas that are floated here; ideas are not protected by copyright, = only the=20 particular expressions of ideas), they may well be violating = the=20 author's copyright. 
 
There's no=20 need to form a legal entity; individual copyright owners (authors) can = sue in=20 their own right.
 
The=20 real problem is:  what's the damage to the author?  = Unless the=20 work is registered, it's difficult to make a lawsuit=20 worthwhile.
 
You can bet=20 that IBD is doing its copying (if it is actually copying) in knowing = violation=20 of the copyright laws. IBD knows these laws extremely = well. =20 They don't hesitate to hammer anyone who republishes any = meaningful=20 amount of their proprietary data.  Assuming the honchos at = IBD know=20 about the (alleged) copying, and it isn't just a problem with a lazy = or=20 dishonest journalist, they are counting on the fact that=20 we don't individually have enough at stake to make a lawsuit=20 worthwhile.
 
(Yes, I'm a lawyer.)

________________________________


PAUL F. LEWIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2001 6:10=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Deja Vu, all over again

I would also contribute.
 
The decision is Jeff Salisbury's as list owner, = but I=20 think it's time for IBD to 'fess up, and at least credit us, if not = also pay=20 Jeff some royalties for all the material they have harvested here = for=20 commercial purposes.
 
I also disagree that this is a "public forum" = since the=20 general public cannot simply plug in and read what we post. They = must first=20 register, and should have to agree to certain terms and conditions = as part=20 of their presence here. By proceeding with registration, they would = be=20 agreeing with those terms and conditions.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tangen, Eric =
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
Sent: Monday, November 26, = 2001 12:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Deja = Vu, all=20 over again

I for one would chip in a few buck = to=20 register this forum as a legal entity if that is what it would = take to get=20 some attribution for the great work that appears first here and = then,=20 mysteriously, in Investor's Corner.

ERIC = TANGEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley = [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:00 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Deja = Vu, all=20 over again

I don't subscribe to IBD, nor have for many = years. And=20 I certainly would not now, with them using our ideas and = discussions to=20 present as if original material from their writers. Even if it = is legal,=20 and I have doubts about that, it certainly is unethical to do so = without=20 attribution.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gene Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, = November 24, 2001=20 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Deja Vu,=20 all over again

Nice try Tom.... but no = dice. I have a=20 lawyer friend that said we would have to become a=20 legal entity and not be a public forum... and all that = stuff.=20 Once info is published here is becomes part of the public = domain.....=20 unless it is pirated from a copyrighted = source.... 
 
Question: If IBD gets = their=20 material from this board, why do you subscribe to IBD? I = dropped my=20 subscription about 3 months ago....
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, = November 24,=20 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] Deja Vu,=20 all over again

There must be at least one lawyer in = this group=20 that can tell us if it's legal for IBD writers to lurk in = this=20 group, then use our thoughts and ideas as the source of = columns=20 written for commercial purposes without permission or=20 attribution.
 
And if it's legal, then I would suggest = that Jeff=20 add to the automated footer something like DGO uses on their = Custom=20 Screens. For example, the footer could read:
 
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= =20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or
-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.
-All correspondence and = discussion here is=20 considered the intellectual property of this group = collectively and=20 individually. Your presence here is strictly for your = personal use=20 and nothing expressed here is to be used for any = commercial or=20 other purposes, including source materials, ideas or = inspirations=20 for articles in Investors Business Daily, without the = written=20 consent of the List Owner.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message = - -----
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@xmission.com
Sent: Saturday, = November 24,=20 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Deja Vu,=20 all over again

Looking at today's Investor's Corner, I got = a solid=20 case of Deja Vu.  It is
discussing the TARO = breakout and=20 breakdown, and points out other failures
in the same = group that=20 should have been a solid warning. 

Hmm, I = don't=20 remember this warning from IBD before it failed, but I do=20 seem
to remember a similar discussion here.  Good = call=20 Katherine!! 

Oh, and maybe you should call = IBD about=20 using your Intellectual Property?
Nah, just=20 = kidding.


<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
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