From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2495 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, June 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2495 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:00:19 -0500 From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AB.D17CFD9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Group, =20 When I posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking = information, but apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no = one wants to focus on the daily market movements right now) I am pleased = to see that everyone in the group feels free to share their insights, = resources, and conjectures. Thank you everyone for sending me links to = online resources. Winston- your breakdown of the past century was = extremely interesting- thank you for sharing it with the group. Fanus = and Charley- you both bring up good points and if the two of you ever = decide to duke it out in person please let me know in advance- I'd like = to put some money on squares. As for the single digit debate- so far = we've established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are indeed = single digits- but how about 0%? =20 Well- it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points by 9:00am. = My watch portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll just = go download some pirated music. Have a great weekend everyone! =20 Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] = [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:39 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9%. - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:01 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History Ummm, 5% is a single digit - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History I believe what he said was single digit growth. =20 E =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:24 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 Didn't Buffer also predict just 5% market growth for years to come??=20 =20 DanF - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 I don't have a resource to contribute at this time but, I have seen two = interviews lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" floor = trader) and the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made = reference to a 17.6 year cycle and point out that the major bull market = that ended in 2000 began in 1983. =20 They both expect the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. Mr. = buffet even went on to talk about how the market has performed all the = way back to 1929, and pointed out the influence of this cycle and how = the market was affected by it despite how the economy was performing. =20 Unfortunately I did not have my full attention focused on either = interview so I missed much of what was said about specific time periods = and how the market related to the economy during those time periods. =20 However, what I did hear did not sound very encouraging for the next 15 = years! =20 E=20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Short [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 Since "M" is not being nice- I have focused my attention in the = short-term on "M's" history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to = better understand what makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of = resources that cover this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would = appreciate any known quality resources the group has used in the past = for such purposes.=20 =20 Kelly Short =20 Business Development Manager Neoris, Inc. (817) 731-0995 mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com http://www.neoris.com =20 =20 - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** _____ =20 For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 _____ =20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AB.D17CFD9C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Group,
 
When I=20 posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking = information, but=20 apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no one wants to focus = on the=20 daily market movements right now) I am pleased to see that everyone in = the group=20 feels free to share their insights, resources, and conjectures. Thank = you=20 everyone for sending me links to online resources. Winston- your = breakdown of=20 the past century was extremely interesting- thank you for sharing it = with the=20 group. Fanus and Charley- you both bring up good points and if the two = of you=20 ever decide to duke it out in person please let me know in advance- I'd = like to=20 put some money on squares. As for the single digit debate- so far we've=20 established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are indeed single = digits-=20 but how about 0%?
 
Well-=20 it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points by 9:00am. My = watch=20 portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll just go = download some=20 pirated music. Have a great weekend everyone!
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Cefaloni, John L = Jr.=20 [AMSTA-AR-WEA] [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil]
Sent: = Friday, June=20 14, 2002 7:39 AM
To: = 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History

Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and = 9%.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Forant=20 [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 = 8:01=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 "M" History

Ummm, 5% is a single = digit
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, = 2002 10:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

I = believe what he=20 said was single digit growth.

 

E

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Dan=20 Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: = Thursday, June 13,=20 2002 = 8:24=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

 

Didn't Buffer=20 also predict just 5% market growth for years to come??=20

 

DanF

----- Original=20 Message -----

From: Hill,=20 Ernie

To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20

Sent:=20 Thursday, June=20 13, 2002 = 12:59=20 PM

Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] "M" History

 

I = don't have a=20 resource to contribute at this time but, I have seen two = interviews=20 lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" floor = trader) and=20 the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made reference = to a 17.6=20 year cycle and point out that the major bull market that ended = in 2000=20 began in 1983.

 

They both expect=20 the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. Mr. buffet even = went on to=20 talk about how the market has performed all the way back to = 1929, and=20 pointed out the influence of this cycle and how the market was = affected=20 by it despite how the economy was=20 performing.

 

Unfortunately I=20 did not have my full attention focused on either interview so I = missed=20 much of what was said about specific time periods and how the = market=20 related to the economy during those time=20 periods.

 

However, what I=20 did hear did not sound very encouraging for the next 15=20 years!

 

E=20

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Kelly Short = [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

 

Since "M" is not=20 being nice- I have focused my attention in the short-term on = "M's"=20 history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to better = understand what=20 makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of resources that = cover=20 this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would appreciate any = known=20 quality resources the group has used in the past for such = purposes.=20

 

Kelly=20 Short

 

Business=20 Development Manager

Neoris,=20 Inc.

(817)=20 731-0995

mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com

http://www.neoris.com

 

 

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AB.D17CFD9C-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:02:23 -0400 From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C213AC.1BAD9AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kelly, I also wondered whether -1% through -9% could be considered "single digit". Cheers, John C. - -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Short [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:00 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Group, When I posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking information, but apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no one wants to focus on the daily market movements right now) I am pleased to see that everyone in the group feels free to share their insights, resources, and conjectures. Thank you everyone for sending me links to online resources. Winston- your breakdown of the past century was extremely interesting- thank you for sharing it with the group. Fanus and Charley- you both bring up good points and if the two of you ever decide to duke it out in person please let me know in advance- I'd like to put some money on squares. As for the single digit debate- so far we've established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are indeed single digits- but how about 0%? Well- it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points by 9:00am. My watch portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll just go download some pirated music. Have a great weekend everyone! Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:39 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9%. - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:01 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History Ummm, 5% is a single digit - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hill, Ernie To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History I believe what he said was single digit growth. E - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:24 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History Didn't Buffer also predict just 5% market growth for years to come?? DanF - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hill, Ernie To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History I don't have a resource to contribute at this time but, I have seen two interviews lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" floor trader) and the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made reference to a 17.6 year cycle and point out that the major bull market that ended in 2000 began in 1983. They both expect the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. Mr. buffet even went on to talk about how the market has performed all the way back to 1929, and pointed out the influence of this cycle and how the market was affected by it despite how the economy was performing. Unfortunately I did not have my full attention focused on either interview so I missed much of what was said about specific time periods and how the market related to the economy during those time periods. However, what I did hear did not sound very encouraging for the next 15 years! E - -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Short [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" History Since "M" is not being nice- I have focused my attention in the short-term on "M's" history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to better understand what makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of resources that cover this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would appreciate any known quality resources the group has used in the past for such purposes. Kelly Short Business Development Manager Neoris, Inc. (817) 731-0995 mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com http://www.neoris.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Kelly,
 
I also=20 wondered whether -1% through -9% could be considered "single=20 digit".
 
Cheers,
John=20 C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Short=20 [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 = 10:00=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 "M" History

Group,
 
When=20 I posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking = information,=20 but apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no one wants = to focus=20 on the daily market movements right now) I am pleased to see that = everyone in=20 the group feels free to share their insights, resources, and = conjectures.=20 Thank you everyone for sending me links to online resources. Winston- = your=20 breakdown of the past century was extremely interesting- thank you = for sharing=20 it with the group. Fanus and Charley- you both bring up good points = and if the=20 two of you ever decide to duke it out in person please let me know in = advance-=20 I'd like to put some money on squares. As for the single digit = debate- so far=20 we've established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are = indeed single=20 digits- but how about 0%?
 
Well- it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points = by 9:00am.=20 My watch portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll = just go=20 download some pirated music. Have a great weekend=20 everyone!
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Cefaloni, John = L Jr.=20 [AMSTA-AR-WEA] [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil]
Sent: = Friday,=20 June 14, 2002 7:39 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and = 9%.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Forant=20 [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 14, = 2002 8:01=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] "M" History

Ummm, 5% is a single = digit
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com= '=20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, = 2002 10:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = "M"=20 History

I = believe what=20 he said was single digit growth.

 

E

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Dan=20 Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: = Thursday, June = 13,=20 2002 = 8:24=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = "M"=20 History

 

Didn't Buffer=20 also predict just 5% market growth for years to come??=20

 

DanF

-----=20 Original Message -----

From:=20 Hill, Ernie=20

Sent:=20 Thursday, June = 13,=20 2002 = 12:59=20 PM

Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History

 

I don't have a=20 resource to contribute at this time but, I have seen two = interviews=20 lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" floor = trader) and=20 the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made = reference to a=20 17.6 year cycle and point out that the major bull market that = ended in=20 2000 began in 1983.

 

They both=20 expect the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. Mr. = buffet even=20 went on to talk about how the market has performed all the = way back to=20 1929, and pointed out the influence of this cycle and how the = market=20 was affected by it despite how the economy was=20 performing.

 

Unfortunately=20 I did not have my full attention focused on either interview = so I=20 missed much of what was said about specific time periods and = how the=20 market related to the economy during those time=20 periods.

 

However, what=20 I did hear did not sound very encouraging for the next 15=20 years!

 

E=20

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Kelly Short = [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

 

Since "M" is=20 not being nice- I have focused my attention in the short-term = on "M's"=20 history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to better = understand what=20 makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of resources = that cover=20 this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would appreciate any = known=20 quality resources the group has used in the past for such = purposes.=20

 

Kelly=20 Short

 

Business=20 Development Manager

Neoris,=20 Inc.

(817)=20 731-0995

mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com

http://www.neoris.com

 

 

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