From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2498 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, June 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2498 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History [CANSLIM] Subject "M" Re: [CANSLIM] Subject "M" Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:45:45 -0400 From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Dave, Nothing passes the time like a good argument. And since it's a slow day on the CANSLIM message board, I don't feel too guilty about exploring this tangent. I'm afraid your argument is full of holes. Tsk, tsk, using Google as a "leading indicator" for language? I typed in the word "CHEIF" and got 37,300 hits. This is a bigger subset of our population than those that give hexadecimal digits "legitimacy". Are misspelled words becoming legitimate too? All in good fun, John C. - -----Original Message----- From: dave.bigham@us.abb.com [mailto:dave.bigham@us.abb.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:31 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Recognize that as language changes, dictionariess are following indicators (investment content.) Most include new terms and definitions based in large part on current and increasing usage. A quick search of Google resulted in about 11,700 hits on the term "hexadecimal digit" - an oxymoron on its face if we are forced to abide by your dictionary's definition for "digit." Common use, in at least a subset of our population, has given the letters 'a' through 'f' some legitimacy as 'digits.' Before the flames begin, I got a good chuckle out of your reply. I am one of the first, usually in good humor, to point out others' foibles and mistakes. I (sometimes) get a laugh when others point out mine. All the best Dave Bigham |-------------> |(Embedded | |image moved | |to file: | |pic19320.pcx)| | | |-------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" | |06/14/2002 10:53 AM | >------------------------------------------------------------------------| Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com To: "'canslim@lists.xmission.com'" cc: (bcc: Dave Bigham/USINY/ABB) Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Security Level:? Internal Sorry, but it doesn't look like letters fit the definition of "digit"... digit \Dig"it\, n. [L. digitus finger; prob. akin to Gr. ?, of uncertain origin; possibly akin to E. toe. Cf. Dactyl.] 1. (Zo["o]l.) One of the terminal divisions of a limb appendage; a finger or toe. The ruminants have the ``cloven foot,'' i. e., two hoofed digits on each foot. --Owen. 2. A finger's breadth, commonly estimated to be three fourths of an inch. 3. (Math.) One of the ten figures or symbols, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, by which all numbers are expressed; -- so called because of the use of the fingers in counting and computing. Note: By some authorities the symbol 0 is not included with the digits. - -----Original Message----- From: dave.bigham@us.abb.com [mailto:dave.bigham@us.abb.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:44 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History >Kelly, > >I also wondered whether -1% through -9% could be considered "single digit". > >Cheers, In the hope of putting an inclusive end to it, for all you computer geeks, the letters 'a' through 'f' are single digits too. Right now, I wouldn't mind getting a some f% return on anything! All the best Dave Bigham - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:09:48 -0500 From: "Fred Richards" Subject: [CANSLIM] Subject "M" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C213AD.24B4E4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "market" or "momentum" is dependent upon many factors. Perhaps, one of the major ones for an upward trending market is whether the big boys are growing. Thus, the Accumulate/Distribution rating contained in the IBD shows that trend. Since this market rally topped in April, the number of A rated stocks using the Acc/Dis rating has fallen by over 50% indicating that the large institutions are having difficulty in finding what they perceive to be quality stocks. We have updated the the Acc/Dist charts on the website and you can access them at: http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm Some people think that we are near a bottom, but the percentage of A+B's do not confirm that a bottom is here. Fred Richards Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 www.adrich.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C213AD.24B4E4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = "market" or=20 "momentum" is dependent upon many factors.  Perhaps, one of the = major ones=20 for an upward trending market is whether the big boys are=20 growing.
 
Thus, = the=20 Accumulate/Distribution rating contained in the IBD shows that = trend. =20 Since this market rally topped in April, the number of A rated stocks = using the=20 Acc/Dis rating has fallen by over 50% indicating that the large = institutions are=20 having difficulty in finding what they perceive to be quality=20 stocks.
 
We = have updated the=20 the Acc/Dist charts on the website and you can access them=20 at:
 
http://www.adrich.com/SI/I= nfo/A's.htm
 
Some = people think=20 that we are near a bottom, but the percentage of A+B's do not confirm = that a=20 bottom is here.
 
 
Fred Richards
 
Corruptisima republica plurimae = leges.  [The=20 more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]  - - Tacitus, Annuals III=20 27
 
www.adrich.com
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C213AD.24B4E4E0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:19:08 -0400 From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Subject "M" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C213E9.1F07AE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll stick to my prediction, no bottom till fall. That's providing the = crooks are gone and terrorism calms down. This market is a shorter = paradise. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fred Richards=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Subject "M" The "market" or "momentum" is dependent upon many factors. Perhaps, = one of the major ones for an upward trending market is whether the big = boys are growing. Thus, the Accumulate/Distribution rating contained in the IBD shows = that trend. Since this market rally topped in April, the number of A = rated stocks using the Acc/Dis rating has fallen by over 50% indicating = that the large institutions are having difficulty in finding what they = perceive to be quality stocks. We have updated the the Acc/Dist charts on the website and you can = access them at: http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm Some people think that we are near a bottom, but the percentage of = A+B's do not confirm that a bottom is here. Fred Richards Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, = the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 www.adrich.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C213E9.1F07AE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll stick to my prediction, no bottom = till fall.=20 That's providing the crooks are gone and terrorism calms down. This = market is a=20 shorter paradise.
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fred=20 Richards
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 = 3:09 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Subject = "M"

The = "market" or=20 "momentum" is dependent upon many factors.  Perhaps, one of the = major=20 ones for an upward trending market is whether the big boys are=20 growing.
 
Thus, the=20 Accumulate/Distribution rating contained in the IBD shows that = trend. =20 Since this market rally topped in April, the number of A rated stocks = using=20 the Acc/Dis rating has fallen by over 50% indicating that the large=20 institutions are having difficulty in finding what they perceive to be = quality=20 stocks.
 
We = have updated=20 the the Acc/Dist charts on the website and you can access them=20 at:
 
http://www.adrich.com/SI/I= nfo/A's.htm
 
Some = people think=20 that we are near a bottom, but the percentage of A+B's do not confirm = that a=20 bottom is here.
 
 
Fred Richards
 
Corruptisima republica plurimae = leges.  [The=20 more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]  - - Tacitus, Annuals = III=20 27
 
www.adrich.com
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C213E9.1F07AE60-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:09:13 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C213F8.7F89A720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not in context, because "growth" was specified. That requirement also = eliminates 0%. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Kelly, I also wondered whether -1% through -9% could be considered "single = digit". Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Short [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:00 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Group, When I posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking = information, but apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no = one wants to focus on the daily market movements right now) I am pleased = to see that everyone in the group feels free to share their insights, = resources, and conjectures. Thank you everyone for sending me links to = online resources. Winston- your breakdown of the past century was = extremely interesting- thank you for sharing it with the group. Fanus = and Charley- you both bring up good points and if the two of you ever = decide to duke it out in person please let me know in advance- I'd like = to put some money on squares. As for the single digit debate- so far = we've established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are indeed = single digits- but how about 0%? Well- it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points by 9:00am. = My watch portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll just = go download some pirated music. Have a great weekend everyone! Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] = [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:39 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9%. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:01 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History Ummm, 5% is a single digit ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History I believe what he said was single digit growth. =20 E =20 -----Original Message----- From: Dan Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:24 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 Didn't Buffer also predict just 5% market growth for years to = come??=20 =20 DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 I don't have a resource to contribute at this time but, I have = seen two interviews lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" = floor trader) and the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made = reference to a 17.6 year cycle and point out that the major bull market = that ended in 2000 began in 1983. =20 They both expect the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. = Mr. buffet even went on to talk about how the market has performed all = the way back to 1929, and pointed out the influence of this cycle and = how the market was affected by it despite how the economy was = performing. =20 Unfortunately I did not have my full attention focused on = either interview so I missed much of what was said about specific time = periods and how the market related to the economy during those time = periods. =20 However, what I did hear did not sound very encouraging for = the next 15 years! =20 E=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Short [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" History =20 Since "M" is not being nice- I have focused my attention in = the short-term on "M's" history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to = better understand what makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of = resources that cover this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would = appreciate any known quality resources the group has used in the past = for such purposes.=20 =20 Kelly Short =20 Business Development Manager Neoris, Inc. (817) 731-0995 mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com http://www.neoris.com =20 =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. = ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. = ****************************************************************** = ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. = ****************************************************************** - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for = viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C213F8.7F89A720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
not in context, because "growth" was specified. = That=20 requirement also eliminates 0%.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. = [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History

Kelly,
 
I also=20 wondered whether -1% through -9% could be considered "single=20 digit".
 
Cheers,
John=20 C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Short=20 [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 = 10:00=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History

Group,
 
When=20 I posed the "M" History question yesterday I was simply seeking = information,=20 but apparently I began a full raging debate. (Or maybe no one wants to = focus=20 on the daily market movements right now) I am pleased to see that = everyone in=20 the group feels free to share their insights, resources, and = conjectures.=20 Thank you everyone for sending me links to online resources. Winston- = your=20 breakdown of the past century was extremely interesting- thank you for = sharing=20 it with the group. Fanus and Charley- you both bring up good points = and if the=20 two of you ever decide to duke it out in person please let me know in = advance-=20 I'd like to put some money on squares. As for the single digit debate- = so far=20 we've established that 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7%, 8% and 9% are = indeed single=20 digits- but how about 0%?
 
Well- it's Friday and the market is already down 172 points = by 9:00am.=20 My watch portfolio has checked out and left for Vegas. I think I'll = just go=20 download some pirated music. Have a great weekend=20 everyone!
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Cefaloni, John L = Jr.=20 [AMSTA-AR-WEA] [mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil]
Sent: = Friday,=20 June 14, 2002 7:39 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

Uhhh, so are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 6%, 7%, 8% and = 9%.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Forant=20 [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 14, = 2002 8:01=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] "M" History

Ummm, 5% is a single = digit
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, = 2002 10:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = "M"=20 History

I = believe what=20 he said was single digit growth.

 

E

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Dan=20 Forant [mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: = Thursday, June = 13,=20 2002 = 8:24=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = "M"=20 History

 

Didn't Buffer=20 also predict just 5% market growth for years to come??=20

 

DanF

-----=20 Original Message -----

From:=20 Hill, Ernie=20

Sent:=20 Thursday, June = 13,=20 2002 = 12:59=20 PM

Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] "M" History

 

I don't have a=20 resource to contribute at this time but, I have seen two = interviews=20 lately on CNBC one with Art Cashin (an "experienced" floor = trader) and=20 the other with Warren Buffet. Both of these men made reference = to a=20 17.6 year cycle and point out that the major bull market that = ended in=20 2000 began in 1983.

 

They both=20 expect the next 17.6 years to be lean by comparison. Mr. = buffet even=20 went on to talk about how the market has performed all the way = back to=20 1929, and pointed out the influence of this cycle and how the = market=20 was affected by it despite how the economy was=20 performing.

 

Unfortunately=20 I did not have my full attention focused on either interview = so I=20 missed much of what was said about specific time periods and = how the=20 market related to the economy during those time=20 periods.

 

However, what=20 I did hear did not sound very encouraging for the next 15=20 years!

 

E=20

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Kelly Short = [mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:46 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] "M"=20 History

 

Since "M" is=20 not being nice- I have focused my attention in the short-term = on "M's"=20 history over the past 100 - 150 years to try to better = understand what=20 makes this machine tick. I have found a couple of resources = that cover=20 this topic, provide timelines, etc. but would appreciate any = known=20 quality resources the group has used in the past for such = purposes.=20

 

Kelly=20 Short

 

Business=20 Development Manager

Neoris,=20 Inc.

(817)=20 731-0995

mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com

http://www.neoris.com

 

 

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