From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2624 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Thursday, July 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2624 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] In general Re: [CANSLIM] In general ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:26:17 -0400 From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In general This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22E56.50EEAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Donald, I didn't read the series of messages that you're referring to, but I can better understand your attitude if you felt you were insulted by sarcasm. In either case, it's still much preferable to type "LLUR" than "Lower-Left-Upper-Right", especially when you are typing with two fingers like I am! John C. - -----Original Message----- From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:19 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general thanks for the message John. There seems to be a one sided commentary going on in this forum that is predicated on my having started something.. When I initially posted on this forum I had the unfortunate experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock symbol. When I looked it up the value of LLUR I found that it had a value of $0.00 . So I made some remark to the person who used this abbreviation that the stock had a flat base.. Whereupon, instead of thinking through the matter and realizing that I had made an honest mistake due to not recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I had made the remark about the flat base gave me a sarcastic response and called me" Harvey" Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly., especially from egotistical types. And, that is how this all began. In any event,. I have had a lot of experience trading information with others. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when exchanges of information become heated, the truth really comes out. Another thing I learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a sentence and slow down the exchange of information. They are a lousy thing to lay on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in the shortest possible time period. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In general (sigh.) Donald, I am not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been reading it on a daily basis for quite a while. I can assure you that this board consists of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they (almost ;-) always behave cordially and with respect for each other. This is by far the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure of coming across. And those who act civil are rewarded with some great insight into CANSLIM investing. You, on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults. You have a chip on your shoulder. That's an unbiased opinion. What reaction do you expect from your attitude? What is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms? Katherine already posted what they mean. You are wrong, they are not intended to impress. They *do* convey information. No one "owns" those abbreviations and we all use them. Why would we tell a new member what the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them? Why not save that list for reference (I did) and just read the board for a while before passing judgment? John C. - -----Original Message----- From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:27 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general Contrary to your point of viewr, I do not believe you are in charge of this forum or in a position to decide what I or anyone else should address in the way of subject matter. Moreover the abbreviation IBD is obviously well known to all involved with this forum. O(n the other hand, the rest of your abbreviations are not. That being the case they do not convey information. Accordingly, I believe they are intended to impress. Moreover, I'm not the least bit surprised that you took my remarks to be an attack on youI. - little boy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general Donald, Your post shows that you do not understand what this group is about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. It exists to help people learn, understand, practice and test their knowledge and interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, in fact a number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out where IBD appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly diverging from the rules. Along the way, specific stocks get mentioned and discussed. But this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock picks, hot tips, or anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a shorthand, so do I use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. Not only are these standard terms used in this group for years (as well as the investing community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most familiar with. And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets posted here, usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I could care less, frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an investor like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, maybe you need to do some more studying, or just ask a little more politely if we lost you in the dust of adult discussion. We constantly have new members join this group. Some are total novices to investing, some are well experienced investors just new to CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are all welcome, so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If that is not what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to visit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Wallker To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] In general I joined this CANSLIM thing with the thought in mind of sharing information with a lot of people who are interested in investing in stocks and are accustomed to checking out their possible picks on the basis of an analysis of IBD input. I really want to hear from any of you out there who are of the same persuasion. The people I don't want to hear from are the multudes who speak in shorthand because they think by doing so they are showing the world that they are big shots.. I don't know all the answers but I"d sure like to trade information with whomsoever is on line that would like to do the same., so we can exchange our information and find a good investment based on facts instead of speculation. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22E56.50EEAF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Donald,
 
I didn't read the series of messages that you're referring to, but I can better understand your attitude if you felt you were insulted by sarcasm.  
 
In either case, it's still much preferable to type "LLUR" than "Lower-Left-Upper-Right", especially when you are typing with two fingers like I am!
 
John C. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:19 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general

thanks for the message John.  There seems to be a one sided commentary going on in this forum  that is predicated on my having started something..  When I initially posted on this forum I had the unfortunate experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock symbol.  When I looked it up the value of LLUR  I found that it had a value of  $0.00 . So I made some remark to the person who used this abbreviation  that the stock had a flat base..  Whereupon, instead of thinking through the matter and realizing that I had made an honest mistake due to not recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I had made the remark about the flat base  gave me a sarcastic response and called me" Harvey"  Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly., especially from egotistical types.  And, that is how this all began.  In any event,. I have had a lot of experience trading information with others. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when exchanges of information become heated, the truth really comes out.  Another thing I learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a sentence and slow down the exchange of information.  They are a lousy thing to lay on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in the shortest possible time period.      
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In general

(sigh.) 
 
Donald,
 
I am not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been reading it on a daily basis for quite a while.  I can assure you that this board consists of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they (almost ;-) always behave cordially and with respect for each other.  This is by far the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure of coming across.  And those who act civil are rewarded with some great insight into CANSLIM investing.
 
You, on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults.  You have a chip on your shoulder.  That's an unbiased opinion.  What reaction do you expect from your attitude?
 
What is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms?  Katherine already posted what they mean.  You are wrong, they are not intended to impress.  They *do* convey information.  No one "owns" those abbreviations and we all use them.  Why would we tell a new member what the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them?  Why not save that list for reference (I did) and just read the board for a while before passing judgment?
 
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:27 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general

Contrary to your point of viewr, I  do not believe you are in charge of this forum or in a position to decide what I or anyone else should address in the way of subject matter.  Moreover the abbreviation IBD is obviously well known to all involved with this forum.  O(n the other hand, the rest of your abbreviations are not. That being the case they do not convey information.  Accordingly, I believe they are intended to impress. Moreover, I'm not the least bit surprised that you took my remarks to be an attack on youI. - little boy. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general

Donald,
 
Your post shows that you do not understand what this group is about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. It exists to help people learn, understand, practice and test their knowledge and interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, in fact a number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out where IBD appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly diverging from the rules.
 
Along the way, specific stocks get mentioned and discussed. But this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock picks, hot tips, or anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a shorthand, so do I use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. Not only are these standard terms used in this group for years (as well as the investing community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most familiar with. And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets posted here, usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I could care less, frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an investor like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, maybe you need to do some more studying, or just ask a little more politely if we lost you in the dust of adult discussion.
 
We constantly have new members join this group. Some are total novices to investing, some are well experienced investors just new to CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are all welcome, so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If that is not what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to visit.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] In general

I joined this CANSLIM thing with the thought in mind of sharing information with a lot of people who are interested in investing in stocks and are accustomed to checking out their possible picks on the basis of  an analysis of IBD input.  I  really want to hear from any of you out there who are of the same persuasion.  The people I don't want to hear from are the multudes who speak in shorthand because they think by doing so they are showing the world that they are big shots.. I don't know all the answers but I"d sure like to trade information with whomsoever is on line that would like to do the same., so we can exchange our information and find a good investment based on facts instead of speculation.
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22E56.50EEAF00-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:26:32 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C22E34.D2D29B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Donald, I recall your post you mention, and saw the confusion. I did not = respond, and do not recall who did, but I sincerely doubt they intended = any insult, that is rare here and not tolerated normally, as you have = experienced. For what it's worth, I use LLUR often, particularly in my = weekly column posted every weekend (where the term, by the way, is = explained). I assume you only joined the group this week and have not = seen my prior columns, nor Jeff's periodic post on how to access the = years of archives. In any event, this matter has been well beaten into the ground, I = suggest all of us get back to CANSLIM discussions, enough time wasted on = semantics and misunderstandings. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donald Wallker=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general thanks for the message John. There seems to be a one sided commentary = going on in this forum that is predicated on my having started = something.. When I initially posted on this forum I had the unfortunate = experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock symbol. When = I looked it up the value of LLUR I found that it had a value of $0.00 = . So I made some remark to the person who used this abbreviation that = the stock had a flat base.. Whereupon, instead of thinking through the = matter and realizing that I had made an honest mistake due to not = recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I had made the remark = about the flat base gave me a sarcastic response and called me" Harvey" = Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly., especially from = egotistical types. And, that is how this all began. In any event,. I = have had a lot of experience trading information with others. And one = thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when exchanges of = information become heated, the truth really comes out. Another thing I = learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a = sentence and slow down the exchange of information. They are a lousy = thing to lay on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in = the shortest possible time period. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In general (sigh.) =20 Donald,=20 I am not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been = reading it on a daily basis for quite a while. I can assure you that = this board consists of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they = (almost ;-) always behave cordially and with respect for each other. = This is by far the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure = of coming across. And those who act civil are rewarded with some great = insight into CANSLIM investing. You, on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults. You = have a chip on your shoulder. That's an unbiased opinion. What = reaction do you expect from your attitude? What is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms? = Katherine already posted what they mean. You are wrong, they are not = intended to impress. They *do* convey information. No one "owns" those = abbreviations and we all use them. Why would we tell a new member what = the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them? Why not save = that list for reference (I did) and just read the board for a while = before passing judgment?=20 John C. -----Original Message----- From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:27 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general Contrary to your point of viewr, I do not believe you are in charge = of this forum or in a position to decide what I or anyone else should = address in the way of subject matter. Moreover the abbreviation IBD is = obviously well known to all involved with this forum. O(n the other = hand, the rest of your abbreviations are not. That being the case they = do not convey information. Accordingly, I believe they are intended to = impress. Moreover, I'm not the least bit surprised that you took my = remarks to be an attack on youI. - little boy. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general Donald, Your post shows that you do not understand what this group is = about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. It exists to = help people learn, understand, practice and test their knowledge and = interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, in fact a = number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out where IBD = appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly diverging = from the rules. Along the way, specific stocks get mentioned and discussed. But = this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock picks, hot tips, or = anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a shorthand, so do I = use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. Not only are these = standard terms used in this group for years (as well as the investing = community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most familiar with. = And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets posted here, = usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I could care less, = frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an investor = like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, maybe you need = to do some more studying, or just ask a little more politely if we lost = you in the dust of adult discussion. We constantly have new members join this group. Some are total = novices to investing, some are well experienced investors just new to = CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are all welcome, = so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If that is not = what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to visit. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donald Wallker=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] In general I joined this CANSLIM thing with the thought in mind of sharing = information with a lot of people who are interested in investing in = stocks and are accustomed to checking out their possible picks on the = basis of an analysis of IBD input. I really want to hear from any of = you out there who are of the same persuasion. The people I don't want = to hear from are the multudes who speak in shorthand because they think = by doing so they are showing the world that they are big shots.. I don't = know all the answers but I"d sure like to trade information with = whomsoever is on line that would like to do the same., so we can = exchange our information and find a good investment based on facts = instead of speculation. - ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C22E34.D2D29B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Donald, I recall your post you mention, and saw = the=20 confusion. I did not respond, and do not recall who did, but I sincerely = doubt=20 they intended any insult, that is rare here and not tolerated normally, = as you=20 have experienced. For what it's worth, I use LLUR often, particularly in = my=20 weekly column posted every weekend (where the term, by the way, is = explained). I=20 assume you only joined the group this week and have not seen my prior = columns,=20 nor Jeff's periodic post on how to access the years of = archives.
 
In any event, this matter has been well beaten = into the=20 ground, I suggest all of us get back to CANSLIM discussions, enough time = wasted=20 on semantics and misunderstandings.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donald = Wallker
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general

thanks for the message John.  = There seems to=20 be a one sided commentary going on in this forum  that is = predicated on my=20 having started something..  When I initially posted on this forum I = had the=20 unfortunate experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock=20 symbol.  When I looked it up the value of LLUR  I found that = it had=20 a value of  $0.00 . So I made some remark to the person who = used this=20 abbreviation  that the stock had a flat = base..  Whereupon,=20 instead of thinking through the matter and realizing that I had made an = honest=20 mistake due to not recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I = had made=20 the remark about the flat base  gave me a sarcastic response = and=20 called me" Harvey"  Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly.,=20 especially from egotistical types.  And, that is how this all = began. =20 In any event,. I have had a lot of experience trading information with = others.=20 And one thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when = exchanges of=20 information become heated, the truth really comes out.  Another = thing I=20 learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a = sentence=20 and slow down the exchange of information.  They are a lousy thing = to lay=20 on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in the shortest = possible=20 time period.      
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cefaloni, John L Jr.=20 [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 = 7:44=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In = general

(sigh.) 
 
Donald,
 
I am=20 not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been reading it = on a=20 daily basis for quite a while.  I can assure you that this board = consists=20 of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they (almost ;-) always = behave=20 cordially and with respect for each other.  This is by far=20 the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure of coming = across.  And those who act civil are rewarded with some great = insight=20 into CANSLIM investing.
 
You,=20 on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults.  You = have a=20 chip on your shoulder.  That's an unbiased opinion.  What = reaction=20 do you expect from your attitude?
 
What=20 is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms?  = Katherine=20 already posted what they mean.  You are wrong, they are not = intended to=20 impress.  They *do* convey information.  No one "owns" those = abbreviations and we all use them.  Why would we tell a new = member what=20 the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them? =20 Why not save that list for reference (I did) and just read = the board=20 for a while before passing judgment?
 
John=20 C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Wallker=20 [mailto:dougald@dmv.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 = 5:27=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 In general

Contrary to your point of viewr, I =  do not=20 believe you are in charge of this forum or in a position to decide = what I or=20 anyone else should address in the way of subject matter.  = Moreover the=20 abbreviation IBD is obviously well known to all involved with this=20 forum.  O(n the other hand, the rest of your abbreviations = are=20 not. That being the case they do not convey information.  = Accordingly,=20 I believe they are intended to impress. Moreover, I'm not the least = bit=20 surprised that you took my remarks to be an attack on youI. - little = boy. 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, = 2002 11:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In=20 general

Donald,
 
Your post shows that you do not understand = what this=20 group is about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. = It=20 exists to help people learn, understand, practice and test their = knowledge=20 and interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, = in fact=20 a number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out = where IBD=20 appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly = diverging from=20 the rules.
 
Along the way, specific stocks get = mentioned and=20 discussed. But this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock = picks, hot=20 tips, or anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a = shorthand,=20 so do I use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. = Not only=20 are these standard terms used in this group for years (as well as = the=20 investing community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most = familiar=20 with. And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets = posted=20 here, usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I = could care=20 less, frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an = investor like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, = maybe=20 you need to do some more studying, or just ask a little more = politely if=20 we lost you in the dust of adult discussion.
 
We constantly have new members join this = group. Some=20 are total novices to investing, some are well experienced = investors just=20 new to CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are = all=20 welcome, so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If = that is=20 not what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to=20 visit.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: = Donald = Wallker=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] In general

I joined this CANSLIM thing with = the thought=20 in mind of sharing information with a lot of people who are = interested in=20 investing in stocks and are accustomed to checking out their = possible=20 picks on the basis of  an analysis of IBD input.  = I  really=20 want to hear from any of you out there who are of the same=20 persuasion.  The people I don't want to hear from are the = multudes=20 who speak in shorthand because they think by doing so they are = showing the=20 world that they are big shots.. I don't know all the answers but = I"d sure=20 like to trade information with whomsoever is on line that would = like to do=20 the same., so we can exchange our information and find a good = investment=20 based on facts instead of=20 speculation.
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