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From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2636 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Saturday, July 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2636 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] Making the grade RE: [CANSLIM] Making the grade [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. Re: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. Re: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. Re: [CANSLIM] LLUR Re: [CANSLIM] LLUR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:40:32 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Making the grade This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C22F64.86EA91F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0077_01C22F64.86EA91F0" - ------=_NextPart_001_0077_01C22F64.86EA91F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageDuke, I dislike screens like this, simply because they are too = mechanical. What if the one that is at $14.90 has the best chart? or the = one that only averages 99,100 shares? Who sets these limits, and what = is the basis for deciding that anything failing a single one of these = restrictive limits is not worth even looking at, much less actively = considering? Seems to me from my experience, and looking at various = index charts, that the best stocks for the past year or more have been = the small cap stocks. So I would be more interested in looking at what = they exclude on the basis of price and volume. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Duke Miller=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Making the grade I'd be interested to know list member's take on today's Daily Screen, = Making the Grade. "This screen shows all stocks with A or B grades in all five IBD Stock = Checkup ratings. Those are the Fundamental Rating, Technical Rating, = Group Fundamental Rating, Group Technical Rating and the Attractiveness = Rating. The list shows only the 50 stocks with highest Attractiveness = Ratings. The screen excludes Canadian-listed stocks, those under $15 and = those with an average daily volume fewer than 100,000 shares." I've attached the Excel version of it for your perusal. Of all the SOD's that beg for more info on each stock, this is it; oddly = it's the skimpiest of them all. But that's not my point. At first = glance, this seems like a great place to do some mining. Agree? Duke This email, including any attachments, was scanned by Norton Anti-Virus = prior to being sent.=20 - ------=_NextPart_001_0077_01C22F64.86EA91F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Duke, I dislike screens like this, simply = because they are=20 too mechanical. What if the one that is at $14.90 has the best chart? or = the one=20 that only averages 99,100 shares? Who sets these limits, and what = is the=20 basis for deciding that anything failing a single one of these = restrictive=20 limits is not worth even looking at, much less actively considering? = Seems to me=20 from my experience, and looking at various index charts, that the best = stocks=20 for the past year or more have been the small cap stocks. So I would be = more=20 interested in looking at what they exclude on the basis of price and=20 volume.

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Duke=20 Miller

To: CANSLIM

Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:35 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] Making the grade

I'd be = interested to know=20 list member's take on today's Daily Screen, Making the=20 Grade.

"This screen = shows all=20 stocks with A or B grades in all five IBD Stock Checkup ratings. Those = are the=20 Fundamental Rating, Technical Rating, Group Fundamental Rating, Group = Technical=20 Rating and the Attractiveness Rating. The list shows only the 50 stocks = with=20 highest Attractiveness Ratings. The screen excludes Canadian-listed = stocks,=20 those under $15 and those with an average daily volume fewer than = 100,000=20 shares."

I've attached = the Excel=20 version of it for your perusal.

Of all the = SOD's that beg=20 for more info on each stock, this is it; oddly it's the skimpiest of = them=20 all. But that's not my point. At first glance, this = seems like=20 a great place to do some mining. Agree?

Duke

This email, including any attachments, was scanned by = Norton=20 Anti-Virus prior to being sent.

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:02:13 -0400 From: "Duke Miller" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Making the grade This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C22F6F.F336B7C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004B_01C22F6F.F336B7C0" - ------=_NextPart_001_004B_01C22F6F.F336B7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, good points, and I understand your leaning (euphemism for "obsession") toward the small caps. This is when I side with IBD: When you're doing SOD's for mass consumption, you got to start somewhere, and you got to draw the lines somewhere, lest you have a list of thousands. What I'm looking for is our members' take on these stocks; fundamentally and technically in good shape (albeit above $15 with AVD <=100000) during a time we thought we'd never see the likes of. Duke - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:41 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Making the grade Duke, I dislike screens like this, simply because they are too mechanical. What if the one that is at $14.90 has the best chart? or the one that only averages 99,100 shares? Who sets these limits, and what is the basis for deciding that anything failing a single one of these restrictive limits is not worth even looking at, much less actively considering? Seems to me from my experience, and looking at various index charts, that the best stocks for the past year or more have been the small cap stocks. So I would be more interested in looking at what they exclude on the basis of price and volume. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Miller To: CANSLIM Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Making the grade I'd be interested to know list member's take on today's Daily Screen, Making the Grade. "This screen shows all stocks with A or B grades in all five IBD Stock Checkup ratings. Those are the Fundamental Rating, Technical Rating, Group Fundamental Rating, Group Technical Rating and the Attractiveness Rating. The list shows only the 50 stocks with highest Attractiveness Ratings. The screen excludes Canadian-listed stocks, those under $15 and those with an average daily volume fewer than 100,000 shares." I've attached the Excel version of it for your perusal. Of all the SOD's that beg for more info on each stock, this is it; oddly it's the skimpiest of them all. But that's not my point. At first glance, this seems like a great place to do some mining. Agree? Duke This email, including any attachments, was scanned by Norton Anti-Virus prior to being sent. - ------=_NextPart_001_004B_01C22F6F.F336B7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Tom, good = points, and I=20 understand your leaning (euphemism for "obsession") toward the = small=20 caps. This is when I side with IBD: When you're doing SOD's = for mass=20 consumption, you got to start somewhere, and you got to draw the lines=20 somewhere, lest you have a list of thousands.

What I'm = looking for is our=20 members' take on these stocks; fundamentally and technically in = good shape=20 (albeit above $15 with AVD <=3D100000) during a time we thought = we'd never=20 see the likes of.

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 = 8:41=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Making the grade

Duke, I dislike screens like this, simply = because they=20 are too mechanical. What if the one that is at $14.90 has the best = chart? or=20 the one that only averages 99,100 shares? Who sets these limits, = and=20 what is the basis for deciding that anything failing a single one of = these=20 restrictive limits is not worth even looking at, much less actively=20 considering? Seems to me from my experience, and looking at various = index=20 charts, that the best stocks for the past year or more have been the = small cap=20 stocks. So I would be more interested in looking at what they exclude = on the=20 basis of price and volume.

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Duke=20 Miller

To: CANSLIM

Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:35 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] Making the grade

I'd be = interested to know=20 list member's take on today's Daily Screen, Making the=20 Grade.

"This screen = shows all=20 stocks with A or B grades in all five IBD Stock Checkup ratings. Those = are the=20 Fundamental Rating, Technical Rating, Group Fundamental Rating, Group=20 Technical Rating and the Attractiveness Rating. The list shows only = the 50=20 stocks with highest Attractiveness Ratings. The screen excludes=20 Canadian-listed stocks, those under $15 and those with an average = daily volume=20 fewer than 100,000 shares."

I've attached = the Excel=20 version of it for your perusal.

Of all the = SOD's that beg=20 for more info on each stock, this is it; oddly it's the skimpiest of = them=20 all. But that's not my point. At first glance, this = seems=20 like a great place to do some mining. Agree?

Duke

This email, including any attachments, was scanned by = Norton=20 Anti-Virus prior to being sent.

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I've been sitting out of the market and = this=20 discussion list because I don't think these market conditions are = suitable for=20 Canslim. But I'm ready to get back into it once the market turns=20 around.

My question is how much longer before = the market=20 turns and how low will it get? I'd like to hear alot of different = opinons=20 and people's reasons. It may do us all some good.

Ira

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- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C22FAD.4890EBE0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:35:29 -0400 From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C22FB7.A3A33CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Down it will go to 6000-7000 range. The bubble was created by over = speculation. This is a healthy pullback. With all this selling going on, = there are buyers buying these stocks. Carefully picking (averaging down) = companies will be very rewarding after the dust settles, but of course = this practice is non CANSLIM. Danf - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ira Post=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. I've been sitting out of the market and this discussion list because I = don't think these market conditions are suitable for Canslim. But I'm = ready to get back into it once the market turns around. My question is how much longer before the market turns and how low = will it get? I'd like to hear alot of different opinons and people's = reasons. It may do us all some good. Ira --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C22FB7.A3A33CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Down it will go to 6000-7000 range. The = bubble was=20 created by over speculation. This is a healthy pullback. With all this = selling=20 going on, there are buyers buying these stocks. Carefully picking = (averaging=20 down) companies will be very rewarding after the dust settles, but of = course=20 this practice is non CANSLIM.

Danf

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From:=20 Ira = Post
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I've been sitting out of the market = and this=20 discussion list because I don't think these market conditions are = suitable for=20 Canslim. But I'm ready to get back into it once the market turns = around.

My question is how much longer before = the market=20 turns and how low will it get? I'd like to hear alot of = different=20 opinons and people's reasons. It may do us all some = good.

Ira

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C22FB7.A3A33CE0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:03:52 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C22FC3.FCA73560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable only the market can tell us that answer, Ira. And because the past two = years have been marked by failed rally after failed rally, whether = measured as a breakout on an individual stock, or on an index, it is = reasonable to assume that this will continue once the market does turn. Because the downtrend has been so steep, and for months now also = disconnected from a strengthening economy and recovering earnings, the = separation between sentiment and reality is creating a "negative bubble" = caused by a combination of terrorism fears at first, and financial = accounting scandals now. When this bubble bursts, if it does so, then = the reversal in the markets could be rapid and near vertical. On the = other hand, just as we continued the down trend in a steady erosion, = without the severe capitulation day often forecasted and never met, the = recovery might just go the other way, with people settling for short = term profits thinking the rally would fail, only to find it still going = higher. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ira Post=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] M - How low will it go. I've been sitting out of the market and this discussion list because I = don't think these market conditions are suitable for Canslim. But I'm = ready to get back into it once the market turns around. My question is how much longer before the market turns and how low will = it get? I'd like to hear alot of different opinons and people's = reasons. It may do us all some good. Ira - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 - ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C22FC3.FCA73560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

only the market can tell us that answer, Ira. = And because=20 the past two years have been marked by failed rally after failed rally, = whether=20 measured as a breakout on an individual stock, or on an index, it is = reasonable=20 to assume that this will continue once the market does = turn.

Because the downtrend has been so steep, and for = months=20 now also disconnected from a strengthening economy and recovering = earnings, the=20 separation between sentiment and reality is creating a "negative bubble" = caused=20 by a combination of terrorism fears at first, and financial accounting = scandals=20 now. When this bubble bursts, if it does so, then the reversal in the = markets=20 could be rapid and near vertical. On the other hand, just as we = continued the=20 down trend in a steady erosion, without the severe capitulation day = often=20 forecasted and never met, the recovery might just go the other way, with = people=20 settling for short term profits thinking the rally would fail, only to = find it=20 still going higher.

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My question is how much longer before = the market=20 turns and how low will it get? I'd like to hear alot of different = opinons=20 and people's reasons. It may do us all some good.

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- ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C22FC3.FCA73560-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:15:53 -0400 From: "Gary A. Snyder" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] LLUR David: Could you please define IMHO. I'm trying to understand your observation of LLUR. Sincerly: Gary. >From: "David Taggart" >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: [CANSLIM] LLUR >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:10:21 -0600 > >IMHO the main thing to watch on trades based on patterns like LLUR is >position sizing and your stop. Whenever I see a strong trend that is not >offering a good consolidation of some sort (cup/handle, flat base, etc) I >put out a smalller position and use a tighter stop. Also until I have some >cushion I dont add to it. Another thing I do is look at the intraday >charts >and look for a good consolidation on the 30,60, or 120 min chart for my >stop. Of course if you are strict CANSLIM your stop is based solely off of >a % so none of this matters :-) > >David Taggart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:09 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > Hi Kelly, > > I'll bet Tom is already off to work this morning, so I'll chime in here. >Short answer to your question is "yes".... > > A double bottom looks like a "W" with the second dip to make the bottom >a >bit lower than the first. In a C&H formation, you'll often see the price >fall back a bit as it's tracing the right side of the cup, but it is benign >by comparison. In the examples you attached, you can see the C&H fall back >a >bit, but obviously not as severe as the red line you showed that would >classify it as a double bottom. The biggest difference in the 2 formations >in my mind is the entry point. On double bottoms, the pivot is $.10 above >the middle peak of the base (center of the "W"), whereas in a C&H, you >would >wait for the final shakeout to occur in the handle and then look for the >pivot point accordingly. That's not to say that a double bottom won't also >have a handle, but that is somewhat rare. > > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly Short > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:55 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > Tom (and group), > > Thanks for the link. I'm still a bit fuzzy on the difference between a >CH formation and a Doublebottom formation. I took two of the charts from >the >link you provided and on the CH formation overlaid (in red line) a >Doublebottom formation. Is the formation a CH because the second dip does >not go below the first? Or is there some other method of identifying a >doublebottom formation? > > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:32 AM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > nice, quick refresher > > http://www.amateur-investors.com/Chart_Patterns_Article.htm > > only one I caught was FSTW > > Tom Worley > stkguru@bellsouth.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. > Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:23:24 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] LLUR Hi Gary, LLUR means Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM approved chart pattern but one that can still work combined with CANSLIM criteria. As the name implies, a steady trend up with very little volatility, essentially a flat line tilted up. Ideally you want at least six months of consistent pattern with no corrections severe enough to kick you out, 12 months is even better. Any change in a LLUR pattern (up or down) is reason enough to exit, or be prepared to exit without looking back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary A. Snyder" To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] LLUR David: Could you please define IMHO. I'm trying to understand your observation of LLUR. Sincerly: Gary. >From: "David Taggart" >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: [CANSLIM] LLUR >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:10:21 -0600 > >IMHO the main thing to watch on trades based on patterns like LLUR is >position sizing and your stop. Whenever I see a strong trend that is not >offering a good consolidation of some sort (cup/handle, flat base, etc) I >put out a smalller position and use a tighter stop. Also until I have some >cushion I dont add to it. Another thing I do is look at the intraday >charts >and look for a good consolidation on the 30,60, or 120 min chart for my >stop. Of course if you are strict CANSLIM your stop is based solely off of >a % so none of this matters :-) > >David Taggart > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:09 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > Hi Kelly, > > I'll bet Tom is already off to work this morning, so I'll chime in here. >Short answer to your question is "yes".... > > A double bottom looks like a "W" with the second dip to make the bottom >a >bit lower than the first. In a C&H formation, you'll often see the price >fall back a bit as it's tracing the right side of the cup, but it is benign >by comparison. In the examples you attached, you can see the C&H fall back >a >bit, but obviously not as severe as the red line you showed that would >classify it as a double bottom. The biggest difference in the 2 formations >in my mind is the entry point. On double bottoms, the pivot is $.10 above >the middle peak of the base (center of the "W"), whereas in a C&H, you >would >wait for the final shakeout to occur in the handle and then look for the >pivot point accordingly. That's not to say that a double bottom won't also >have a handle, but that is somewhat rare. > > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly Short > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:55 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > Tom (and group), > > Thanks for the link. I'm still a bit fuzzy on the difference between a >CH formation and a Doublebottom formation. I took two of the charts from >the >link you provided and on the CH formation overlaid (in red line) a >Doublebottom formation. Is the formation a CH because the second dip does >not go below the first? Or is there some other method of identifying a >doublebottom formation? > > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:32 AM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] chart reading > > > nice, quick refresher > > http://www.amateur-investors.com/Chart_Patterns_Article.htm > > only one I caught was FSTW > > Tom Worley > stkguru@bellsouth.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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