From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2853 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2853 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Re: OT- New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!) RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues RE: New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:48:20 -0600 From: "David Taggart" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues If the opposite of CANSLIM works on the long side then I think it would be the end of the world. Buying stocks with rapidly deccelerating earnings that are breaking down. I think we can always refine our buy points but overall CANSLIM stands the test of time IMHO. David Taggart - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kelly Short Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:43 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues David et al, Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is spinning- I think I'll go lay down... Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Tom and Robert One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of investing is that once a very large group of people start following a certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. David Thompson - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________________ For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:59 -0700 From: "Jim Fulling" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C24A95.338C7220 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0081_01C24A95.338C7220" - ------=_NextPart_001_0081_01C24A95.338C7220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messagetrue i hadn't thought of that. jim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Duke Miller=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Jim: If they "just read the emails" then they must be a member of the list. = You can't do that without being a member (as some of those lately = who've be "busted" for behavioral reasons.) Duke -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fulling Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk duke i think they simply read the emails. in today's paper in the = investor's corner they say in an internet message board etc. well what = they are referring to (i believe) was said by K.A.M. (pronounced CALM) = just recently on this board. the north idaho lurker (or is it lunker) jim fulling ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Duke Miller=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk All... Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me = that my posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is = in violation of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. =20 I've conversed with several members off list regarding this = matter, and the reactions have been mixed. =20 The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not = everyone on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you = post something herein it is not in violation of their Terms and = Conditions. =20 I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: =20 Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out = there (as in non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for = IBD, this is it! You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that = from time to time we pass along "privileged" information itself stirs = curiosity amongst lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They = ultimately end up subscribing, etc, etc. =20 I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the = material and it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just = wonder which one of us is the "mole". C'est la vie.... Duke This email, including any attachments, was scanned by Norton = Anti-Virus prior to being sent.=20 - ------=_NextPart_001_0081_01C24A95.338C7220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
true i hadn't thought of = that.
jim
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Duke=20 Miller
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = 6:37=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops = Lurk

Jim:
 
If they "just = read the=20 emails" then they must be a member of the list.  You can't do = that=20 without being a member (as some of those lately who've be "busted" for = behavioral reasons.)
 
Duke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim=20 Fulling
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:19 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops = Lurk

duke i think they simply read the = emails. in=20 today's paper in the investor's corner they say in an internet = message board=20 etc. well what they are referring to (i believe) was said by K.A.M.=20 (pronounced CALM) just recently on this board.
the north idaho lurker (or is it = lunker) jim=20 fulling
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Duke Miller
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Thursday, August 22, = 2002 3:08=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops = Lurk

All...
 
Earlier = this week I=20 got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July = 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation = of the=20 Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. 
 
I've = conversed with=20 several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions = have=20 been mixed. 
 
The point = is the=20 material they provide is proprietary.  Since not = everyone on=20 this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post = something=20 herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions.  =
 
I have my = own mixed=20 feelings, ranging from silly to respectful:  =
 
Silly, = because this=20 list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in = non-Yahoo-ish),=20 and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it!  = You=20 can't buy this kind of publicity!  The fact that from time to = time we=20 pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst = lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up = subscribing, etc, etc. 
 
I am, = however,=20 respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's = for the=20 personal use only of subscribers.  I just wonder which one of = us is=20 the "mole".
 
C'est la=20 vie....
 
Duke
 

This email, including any attachments, was scanned = by Norton=20 Anti-Virus prior to being sent.

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:31:24 -0700 From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: OT- New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk ROFL! That made my Friday! Thanks. - -Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duke Miller" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: RE: New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk > Jeffrey: > > I had a thought that I edited from my original announcement, but your > reply prompts me, if for no other reason than humor, to suggest > something to IBD. > > Why don't they just start their own version of this list? I can just > see the announcement now, delivered by none other than Ron Popiel, the > guru of infomercials (remember, The Pocket Fisherman?). The copy in > parentheses is superimposed at the bottom of the TV screen. > > "Tired of the same old 20-20 hindsight the folks at IBD gush in their > publication and online service each day? Well relax...relief is only > one more subscription away. Just sign up for our exclusive CAN SLIM > list now. It's a golden opportunity for you to share all your ideas > with others as well as all our editors (IBD has the exclusive right to > use your thoughts and ideas whenever they please without permission). > Pour over the list daily and observe as the world tries to comprehend > how we get away with charging so much for a concept we ourselves > convolute and contradict on a daily basis. The cost will amaze you. > All you have to do is subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Daily > Graphs Online, and our Premium feature that accompanies DGO. Once > you've subscribed to all three, you'll be billed ONLY for what you use > on the list. How much, you say? Hold on...it's not $10 a word, not $5 > a word, it's ONLY $1 per word to post your original ideas (IBD retains > exclusive rights to everything. See Terms and Conditions). That's not > all, you pay only $5 for each email message you access to see what > someone else is thinking. How good can it get? Listen, there's more. > Unlike other CAN SLIM lists on the Internet, we guarantee you our > attorneys will not secretly lurk in the dark abyss of cyberspace, eager > to pounce on your submissions. Now isn't that alone worth the price of > admission? Wait...that's not all! If you sign up before we run another > ad in IBD taking credit for calling the crash of 2000, we'll send you > absolutely free, a complete, autographed set of William O'Neil's books > and tapes along with a life-size cutout of WON himself! Order your > subscription(s) today. Call 1-800-CAN-SLIM now!" > > Ahhh, aren't you glad the weekend is here. > > I'm off 'til after Labor Day. Ya'll have fun. > > Duke - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:38:01 EDT From: RWElmer@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues - --part1_153.12ee726f.2a97db09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless I miss my guess, I think David Thomson was referring to CANSLIM chart patterns in particular, not CANSIM in general. I don't think there's a good arguement against most of the rest of CANSLIM, except maybe from Value players. I share his concern about so many people looking for Cup & Handles, as traders will take advantage of herd mentality when they can, but I think it's also obvious that Breakouts have to happen for stocks to move higher. Therefore I think it's mostly the nature of the setups that will change over time and require adapting to. In a true Bull Market, however, I think that enough interest will be aligned in the same direction that C&Hs will prove as effective as in the past. Just an opinion and FWIW. Robert W. Elmer - --part1_153.12ee726f.2a97db09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless I miss my guess, I think David Thomson was referring to CANSLIM chart patterns in particular, not CANSIM in general. I don't think there's a good arguement against most of the rest of CANSLIM, except maybe from Value players.

I share his concern about so many people looking for Cup & Handles, as traders will take advantage of herd mentality when they can, but I think it's also obvious that Breakouts have to happen for stocks to move higher. Therefore I think it's mostly the nature of the setups that will change over time and require adapting to. In a true Bull Market, however, I think that enough interest will be aligned in the same direction that C&Hs will prove as effective as in the past. Just an opinion and FWIW.  

Robert W. Elmer
- --part1_153.12ee726f.2a97db09_boundary-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:47:20 EDT From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!) Tom and Duke: Some times I copy&paste passages from the Investors Corner column in Investor.com. I have yet to receive notice (legal or otherwise) from IBD that I shouldn't. I'm not sure if I'm doing something right or I'm just being overlooked. However, I do make sure that I attribute all the columns (and I usually only copy&paste passages from the columns) to IBD and to the authors of the relevant column. I also put quotes around the passages to differentiate what I write from the author's thoughts on the topic. However, after saying all this, I can understand why IBD wants to maintain her proprietory ownership over her intellectual property. If she didn't object when she believes non-fair use of IBD property is being used, then, I believe, in effect, she would be effectively waiving her rights. jans In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net writes: << MessageDuke, the funny thing is, if you don't identify your primary source and also "blend in" other sources until the final product is your own creation, they have no complaint. That is what I was forced to do when my weekly scans of stocks at or close to new highs came entirely from DGO. Once or twice I posted the spread sheet of data right from DGO's report, after deleting every stock I didn't mention (from several hundred down to about 30). Instead of appreciating that I was showing non subscribers the quantity and quality of CANSLIM data available from DGO, they threatened me as well. Seems to be corporate policy of both DGO and IBD, with presumably lurkers from both companies in our midst. They don't seem to mind when you quote current data on a short list of stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will always wonder just how many articles printed in IBD were a direct result of ideas, comments and observations of our postings here, and taken from this group without any attribution or credit. They are strictly one way, what is theirs is theirs, and what is ours is theirs as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Miller To: CANSLIM Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk All... Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions have been mixed. The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not everyone on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post something herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions. I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it! You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that from time to time we pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, etc, etc. I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which one of us is the "mole". C'est la vie.... >> - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:00:02 -0500 From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Kelly and others in concern, CANSLIM, while gaining popularity, is not even a minor blip and the investment world's map. What O'Neil imitated from Jack Dreyfus partly was that good moves are made after a new high is reached. As an investment advisor, when I explain to clients that we look at buying at near 52 week or new all-time highs, they look at me in disbelief. 19 out of 20 times I hear they would rather sell at those levels than buy. Until the ratio becomes 10 out of 10, I will not be nervous over the investment discipline. There are many I speak with in our industry that do not even know about IBD and/or CANSLIM, which on the surface seems odd, but is natural given all the other disciplines out there. No need to fret Canslimers, the pond is wide and deep and we are a mere drop of dew off a petal. Have a great weekend. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:43 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues David et al, Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is spinning- I think I'll go lay down... Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Tom and Robert One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of investing is that once a very large group of people start following a certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. David Thompson - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ________________________________________________________________________ ____ For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:15:05 -1000 From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: RE: New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24A85.92098B40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01C24A85.92098B40" - ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C24A85.92098B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageWay to go Duke! Have a great vacation. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:51 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Jeffrey: I had a thought that I edited from my original announcement, but your reply prompts me, if for no other reason than humor, to suggest something to IBD. Why don't they just start their own version of this list? I can just see the announcement now, delivered by none other than Ron Popiel, the guru of infomercials (remember, The Pocket Fisherman?). The copy in parentheses is superimposed at the bottom of the TV screen. "Tired of the same old 20-20 hindsight the folks at IBD gush in their publication and online service each day? Well relax...relief is only one more subscription away. Just sign up for our exclusive CAN SLIM list now. It's a golden opportunity for you to share all your ideas with others as well as all our editors (IBD has the exclusive right to use your thoughts and ideas whenever they please without permission). Pour over the list daily and observe as the world tries to comprehend how we get away with charging so much for a concept we ourselves convolute and contradict on a daily basis. The cost will amaze you. All you have to do is subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Daily Graphs Online, and our Premium feature that accompanies DGO. Once you've subscribed to all three, you'll be billed ONLY for what you use on the list. How much, you say? Hold on...it's not $10 a word, not $5 a word, it's ONLY $1 per word to post your original ideas (IBD retains exclusive rights to everything. See Terms and Conditions). That's not all, you pay only $5 for each email message you access to see what someone else is thinking. How good can it get? Listen, there's more. Unlike other CAN SLIM lists on the Internet, we guarantee you our attorneys will not secretly lurk in the dark abyss of cyberspace, eager to pounce on your submissions. Now isn't that alone worth the price of admission? Wait...that's not all! If you sign up before we run another ad in IBD taking credit for calling the crash of 2000, we'll send you absolutely free, a complete, autographed set of William O'Neil's books and tapes along with a life-size cutout of WON himself! Order your subscription(s) today. Call 1-800-CAN-SLIM now!" Ahhh, aren't you glad the weekend is here. I'm off 'til after Labor Day. Ya'll have fun. Duke -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeffrey Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:32 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Hello, As a new member of this group, I have benefited greatly from folks posting their own original concepts and ideas. In some cases, DGO and IBD were one of many sources used to substantiate the presentation. I cannot appreciate IBD's exaggerated and unwarranted action towards this group. No doubt IBD has at least one attorney on staff looking to justify his/her salary. As others have said, a truly objective and fair evaluation of the information exchange between this exemplary group and IBD would conclude that IBD gains far more from us than we from them. The only difference is that this group does not have a lawyer on staff. Also, I feel they a picking on the group because it is an easy target. What is to stop anyone of us from saving charts/data from the IBD and DGO sites and then sharing that data with several friends via private e-mail? When I am knowledgeable enough to contribute to this board, I will simply create an untraceable e-mail account and post items from there. I'm sure glad that the light bulb was not invented by IBD or the music and motion picture industries. If it were, we would be paying a royalty on each bulb, and there would be a lucrative black market for importing bulbs from Canada. Sorry for this rant but IBD is really being unreasonable. jg P.S. IBD come and get me! -----Original Message----- From: Duke Miller [mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:09 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk All... Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions have been mixed. The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not everyone on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post something herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions. I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it! You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that from time to time we pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, etc, etc. I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which one of us is the "mole". C'est la vie.... Duke This email, including any attachments, was scanned by Norton Anti-Virus prior to being sent. - ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C24A85.92098B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Way=20 to go Duke! Have a great vacation.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
Proactive = Technologies,=20 LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke=20 Miller
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:51 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: New IBD Subscriber = Service;=20 Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk

Jeffrey:
 
I had a = thought that I=20 edited from my original announcement, but your reply prompts me, if = for no=20 other reason than humor, to suggest something to IBD. =20
 
Why don't = they just start=20 their own version of this list?  I can just see the announcement = now,=20 delivered by none other than Ron Popiel, the guru of infomercials = (remember,=20 The Pocket Fisherman?).  The copy in parentheses is superimposed = at the=20 bottom of the TV screen. 
 
"Tired of the = same old=20 20-20 hindsight the folks at IBD gush in their = publication=20 and online service each day?  Well relax...relief is only = one more=20 subscription away.  Just sign up for our exclusive CAN SLIM list=20 now.  It's a golden opportunity for you to share all your = ideas with=20 others as well as all our editors (IBD has the exclusive right to = use=20 your thoughts and ideas whenever they please without = permission). =20 Pour over the list daily and observe as the world tries=20 to comprehend how we get away with charging so much for a concept = we=20 ourselves convolute and contradict on a daily = basis.   The=20 cost will amaze you.  All you have to do is subscribe to = Investors=20 Business Daily, Daily Graphs Online, and our Premium feature that = accompanies=20 DGO.  Once you've subscribed to all three, you'll be billed ONLY = for what=20 you use on the list.  How much, you say?  Hold on...it's not = $10 a=20 word, not $5 a word, it's ONLY $1 per word to post your original ideas = (IBD=20 retains exclusive rights to everything.  See Terms and = Conditions). =20 That's not all, you pay only $5 for each email message = you=20 access to see what someone else is thinking.  How good can it = get? =20 Listen, there's more.  Unlike other CAN SLIM lists on the = Internet, we=20 guarantee you our attorneys will not secretly lurk in the dark abyss = of=20 cyberspace, eager to pounce on your submissions.  Now isn't that=20 alone worth the price of admission?  Wait...that's not = all!  If=20 you sign up before we run another ad in IBD taking credit for calling = the=20 crash of 2000, we'll send you absolutely free, a complete,=20 autographed set of William O'Neil's books and tapes along with a=20 life-size cutout of WON himself!  Order your subscription(s) = today. =20 Call 1-800-CAN-SLIM now!"
 
Ahhh, aren't = you glad the=20 weekend is here.
 
I'm off 'til = after Labor=20 Day.  Ya'll have fun.
 
Duke
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, August = 23, 2002=20 12:32 PM
To: = 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk

Hello,
 
As=20 a new member of this group, I have benefited greatly from folks = posting=20 their own original concepts and ideas.  In some cases, DGO = and IBD=20 were one of many sources used to substantiate the = presentation.  I=20 cannot appreciate IBD's exaggerated and unwarranted action towards = this=20 group.  No doubt IBD has at least one attorney on staff looking = to=20 justify his/her salary.
 
As=20 others have said, a truly objective and fair evaluation of the = information=20 exchange between this exemplary group and IBD  would conclude = that IBD=20 gains far more from us than we from them.  The only difference = is that=20 this group does not have a lawyer on staff.  Also, I feel they = a=20 picking on the group because it is an easy target.  What is to = stop=20 anyone of us from saving charts/data from the IBD and DGO sites and = then=20 sharing that data with several friends via private=20 e-mail?
 
When I am knowledgeable enough to contribute to this board, = I will=20 simply create an untraceable e-mail account and post items from = there. =20 I'm sure glad that the light bulb was not invented by IBD or the = music and=20 motion picture industries.  If it were, we would be paying a = royalty on=20 each bulb, and there would be a lucrative black market for importing = bulbs=20 from Canada.
 
Sorry for this rant but IBD is really being = unreasonable. =20 jg
 
P.S.  IBD come and get me!
-----Original Message-----
From: Duke Miller=20 [mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August = 22,=20 2002 6:09 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = IBD Cops=20 Lurk

All...
 
Earlier = this week I=20 got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July = 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation = of the=20 Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. 
 
I've = conversed with=20 several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions = have=20 been mixed. 
 
The point = is the=20 material they provide is proprietary.  Since not = everyone on=20 this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post = something=20 herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions.  =
 
I have my = own mixed=20 feelings, ranging from silly to respectful:  =
 
Silly, = because this=20 list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in = non-Yahoo-ish),=20 and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it!  = You=20 can't buy this kind of publicity!  The fact that from time to = time we=20 pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst = lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up = subscribing, etc, etc. 
 
I am, = however,=20 respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's = for the=20 personal use only of subscribers.  I just wonder which one of = us is=20 the "mole".
 
C'est la=20 vie....
 
Duke
 

This email, including any attachments, was scanned = by Norton=20 Anti-Virus prior to being sent.

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