From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2854 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2854 In this issue: [CANSLIM] New terms and conditions for the CANSLIM list... RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues RE: [CANSLIM] New terms and conditions for the CANSLIM list... Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues FW: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues FW: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Re: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:18:43 -0600 From: Jeff Salisbury Subject: [CANSLIM] New terms and conditions for the CANSLIM list... To all canslim members,

The following terms and conditions have been added to the CANSLIM introduction email.  Since you joined before these terms and conditions were added since you have joined, I am sending this email to the group.  Here are the new terms and conditions:

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Jeff Salisbury - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:27:25 -0600 From: "David Taggart" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C24AA8.D213F680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I pretty much agree. Especially being an everything trader. I prefer Position Trading ala CANSLIM and its off shoots but I also do my share of swing and day trading. From those I can say that basic basing patterns like flat bases work in every time frame. I have tried them on weeklies, dailies, 120 min, 60 min, 30 min, 15 min, 10 min, 5 min, and even a few times on 1 min, and I can say that it works. The main reason that I like it is it gives a great risk reward ratio which is really what we are looking for the best entry we can get to lower our risk. If you buy or sell short out of a nice flat base then you can place your stop underneath the base and a lot of times you can have a lot tighter stop then the basic 7-8%. I use the Cup Handle much the same way with the stop usually beneath the handle when it is not too deep. But my point is that most people arent able to use any system well due to their inability to use stops and good risk management so after a few trades they throw in the towel and move to the next system. I have seen a lot more successful different systems than I have successful traders. So go ahead and stick with CANSLIM it is one of the better systems out there especially for the person who wants to trade but has a regular job. CANSLIM works better then most CANSLIM traders. David Taggart - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Edward W. Gjertsen II Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:00 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Kelly and others in concern, CANSLIM, while gaining popularity, is not even a minor blip and the investment world's map. What O'Neil imitated from Jack Dreyfus partly was that good moves are made after a new high is reached. As an investment advisor, when I explain to clients that we look at buying at near 52 week or new all-time highs, they look at me in disbelief. 19 out of 20 times I hear they would rather sell at those levels than buy. Until the ratio becomes 10 out of 10, I will not be nervous over the investment discipline. There are many I speak with in our industry that do not even know about IBD and/or CANSLIM, which on the surface seems odd, but is natural given all the other disciplines out there. No need to fret Canslimers, the pond is wide and deep and we are a mere drop of dew off a petal. Have a great weekend. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:43 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues David et al, Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is spinning- I think I'll go lay down... Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Tom and Robert One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of investing is that once a very large group of people start following a certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. David Thompson - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ________________________________________________________________________ ____ For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:27:58 -0500 From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] New terms and conditions for the CANSLIM list... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24ADB.303D4662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not what I expected from the Subject (and given the current thread about = IBD) but thank you! =20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Salisbury [mailto:Jeff.Salisbury@WallStreet-LLC.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] New terms and conditions for the CANSLIM list... To all canslim members,=20 The following terms and conditions have been added to the CANSLIM = introduction email. Since you joined before these terms and conditions = were added since you have joined, I am sending this email to the group. = Here are the new terms and conditions:=20 By signing up for this list, you agree to the following: This list = is a=20 private list. All information that you take from this list is for = your private=20 use only. Commercial use of this information is forbidden.=20 If you are unwilling to abide these conditions, you must leave the = canslim email group.=20 Regards,=20 Jeff Salisbury=20 _____ =20 For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 _____ =20 - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email.=20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24ADB.303D4662 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not=20 what I expected from the Subject (and given the current thread = about IBD)=20 but thank you!
 
 
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To all canslim members,=20

The following terms and conditions have been added to the CANSLIM=20 introduction email.  Since you joined before these terms and = conditions=20 were added since you have joined, I am sending this email to the = group. =20 Here are the new terms and conditions:=20

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24ADB.303D4662-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:29:24 -0700 From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Hi Ed, Without getting into who your clients are, the issue is only with the large institutional investors. They are the ones who drive the break-outs - not us retail fish. Many on the retail side have only heard, "buy low, sell high", "buy and hold", "dollar cost average" etc. Never, "buy high, sell higher". The growth oriented institutional investor/fund manager is far more savvy (one would think). I think the last bull market created quite a few "canslimish" traders out of fund managers. One more important thought: William O'Neal & Co. does far more business selling his data to fund managers than the individual investor. - -Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > Kelly and others in concern, > > CANSLIM, while gaining popularity, is not even a minor blip and the > investment world's map. What O'Neil imitated from Jack Dreyfus partly > was that good moves are made after a new high is reached. As an > investment advisor, when I explain to clients that we look at buying at > near 52 week or new all-time highs, they look at me in disbelief. 19 > out of 20 times I hear they would rather sell at those levels than buy. > Until the ratio becomes 10 out of 10, I will not be nervous over the > investment discipline. There are many I speak with in our industry that > do not even know about IBD and/or CANSLIM, which on the surface seems > odd, but is natural given all the other disciplines out there. No need > to fret Canslimers, the pond is wide and deep and we are a mere drop of > dew off a petal. > > Have a great weekend. > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > David et al, > > Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go > and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is > spinning- I think I'll go lay down... > > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > > Tom and Robert > > One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of > investing is that once a very large group of people start following a > certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON > has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more > carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I > suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing > quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually > make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. > > David Thompson - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:29:57 -0600 From: "David Taggart" Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24AA9.2C40AE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:27 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > I pretty much agree. Especially being an everything trader. I prefer > Position Trading ala CANSLIM and its off shoots but I also do my share of > swing and day trading. From those I can say that basic basing patterns > like flat bases work in every time frame. I have tried them on weeklies, > dailies, 120 min, 60 min, 30 min, 15 min, 10 min, 5 min, and even a few > times on 1 min, and I can say that it works. The main reason that I like > it is it gives a great risk reward ratio which is really what we are > looking for the best entry we can get to lower our risk. If you buy or > sell short out of a nice flat base then you can place your stop underneath > the base and a lot of times you can have a lot tighter stop then the basic > 7-8%. I use the Cup Handle much the same way with the stop usually > beneath the handle when it is not too deep. But my point is that most > people arent able to use any system well due to their inability to use > stops and good risk management so after a few trades they throw in the > towel and move to the next system. I have seen a lot more successful > different systems than I have successful traders. So go ahead and stick > with CANSLIM it is one of the better systems out there especially for the > person who wants to trade but has a regular job. CANSLIM works better > then most CANSLIM traders. > > David Taggart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Edward W. Gjertsen > II > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:00 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > > Kelly and others in concern, > > CANSLIM, while gaining popularity, is not even a minor blip and the > investment world's map. What O'Neil imitated from Jack Dreyfus partly > was that good moves are made after a new high is reached. As an > investment advisor, when I explain to clients that we look at buying at > near 52 week or new all-time highs, they look at me in disbelief. 19 > out of 20 times I hear they would rather sell at those levels than buy. > Until the ratio becomes 10 out of 10, I will not be nervous over the > investment discipline. There are many I speak with in our industry that > do not even know about IBD and/or CANSLIM, which on the surface seems > odd, but is natural given all the other disciplines out there. No need > to fret Canslimers, the pond is wide and deep and we are a mere drop of > dew off a petal. > > Have a great weekend. > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > David et al, > > Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go > and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is > spinning- I think I'll go lay down... > > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues > > > Tom and Robert > > One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of > investing is that once a very large group of people start following a > certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON > has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more > carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I > suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing > quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually > make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. > > David Thompson > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. > Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:31:16 -0600 From: "David Taggart" Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:27 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues I pretty much agree. Especially being an everything trader. I prefer Position Trading ala CANSLIM and its off shoots but I also do my share of swing and day trading. From those I can say that basic basing patterns like flat bases work in every time frame. I have tried them on weeklies, dailies, 120 min, 60 min, 30 min, 15 min, 10 min, 5 min, and even a few times on 1 min, and I can say that it works. The main reason that I like it is it gives a great risk reward ratio which is really what we are looking for the best entry we can get to lower our risk. If you buy or sell short out of a nice flat base then you can place your stop underneath the base and a lot of times you can have a lot tighter stop then the basic 7-8%. I use the Cup Handle much the same way with the stop usually beneath the handle when it is not too deep. But my point is that most people arent able to use any system well due to their inability to use stops and good risk management so after a few trades they throw in the towel and move to the next system. I have seen a lot more successful different systems than I have successful traders. So go ahead and stick with CANSLIM it is one of the better systems out there especially for the person who wants to trade but has a regular job. CANSLIM works better then most CANSLIM traders. David Taggart - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Edward W. Gjertsen II Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:00 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Kelly and others in concern, CANSLIM, while gaining popularity, is not even a minor blip and the investment world's map. What O'Neil imitated from Jack Dreyfus partly was that good moves are made after a new high is reached. As an investment advisor, when I explain to clients that we look at buying at near 52 week or new all-time highs, they look at me in disbelief. 19 out of 20 times I hear they would rather sell at those levels than buy. Until the ratio becomes 10 out of 10, I will not be nervous over the investment discipline. There are many I speak with in our industry that do not even know about IBD and/or CANSLIM, which on the surface seems odd, but is natural given all the other disciplines out there. No need to fret Canslimers, the pond is wide and deep and we are a mere drop of dew off a petal. Have a great weekend. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:43 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues David et al, Come on! I'm just starting to feel comfortable with CANSLIM. Don't go and tell me I have to learn the opposite of CANSLIM now! My head is spinning- I think I'll go lay down... Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: David Thompson [mailto:david@epud.net] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Breakout Blues Tom and Robert One of the concerns that I've had is that one of the principles of investing is that once a very large group of people start following a certain investment style it generally stops working. It seems that WON has kept the C&H style of selecting stocks "fresh" by more and more carefully defining what's likely to work and likely to not. However, I suspect that significant growth in IBD (and they say it's growing quickly, they're certainly giving away a lot of copies) will eventually make it more worthwhile to trade against or outside the CANSLIM model. David Thompson - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ________________________________________________________________________ ____ For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/ - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:05:44 -0500 From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01E1_01C24AB6.8E335FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jans, how come it's a she? I thought WON was a man.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after = 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!) Tom and Duke: Some times I copy&paste passages from the Investors Corner column = in=20 Investor.com. I have yet to receive notice (legal or otherwise) from = IBD=20 that I shouldn't. I'm not sure if I'm doing something right or I'm = just=20 being overlooked. =20 However, I do make sure that I attribute all the columns (and I = usually=20 only copy&paste passages from the columns) to IBD and to the authors = of the=20 relevant column. I also put quotes around the passages to = differentiate what=20 I write from the author's thoughts on the topic.=20 However, after saying all this, I can understand why IBD wants to = maintain her proprietory ownership over her intellectual property. If = she=20 didn't object when she believes non-fair use of IBD property is being = used,=20 then, I believe, in effect, she would be effectively waiving her = rights. jans In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 stkguru@bellsouth.net writes: << MessageDuke, the funny thing is, if you don't identify your primary = source=20 and also "blend in" other sources until the final product is your own=20 creation, they have no complaint. That is what I was forced to do when = my=20 weekly scans of stocks at or close to new highs came entirely from = DGO. Once=20 or twice I posted the spread sheet of data right from DGO's report, = after=20 deleting every stock I didn't mention (from several hundred down to = about=20 30). Instead of appreciating that I was showing non subscribers the = quantity=20 and quality of CANSLIM data available from DGO, they threatened me as = well.=20 Seems to be corporate policy of both DGO and IBD, with presumably = lurkers=20 from both companies in our midst.=20 =20 They don't seem to mind when you quote current data on a short list = of=20 stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will always wonder just = how=20 many articles printed in IBD were a direct result of ideas, comments = and=20 observations of our postings here, and taken from this group without = any=20 attribution or credit. They are strictly one way, what is theirs is = theirs,=20 and what is ours is theirs as well. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Duke Miller=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk =20 =20 All... =20 Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that = my=20 posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in = violation=20 of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. =20 =20 I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, = and the=20 reactions have been mixed. =20 =20 The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not = everyone=20 on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post = something=20 herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions. =20 =20 I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: =20 =20 Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there = (as in=20 non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this = is it! =20 You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that from time to time = we=20 pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst = lurkers,=20 whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, = etc,=20 etc. =20 =20 I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the = material and=20 it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which = one of us=20 is the "mole". =20 C'est la vie.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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jans, how come it's a she? I thought = WON was a=20 man....
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 = 1:47=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops = Lurk (But=20 as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!)

Tom and Duke:

     Some = times I=20 copy&paste passages from the Investors Corner column in=20
Investor.com.  I have yet to receive notice (legal or = otherwise) from=20 IBD
that I shouldn't.   I'm not sure if I'm doing = something=20 right or I'm just
being overlooked.  =

    =20 However, I do make sure that I attribute all the columns (and I = usually=20
only copy&paste passages from the columns) to IBD and to the = authors=20 of the
relevant column.  I also put quotes around the = passages to=20 differentiate what
I write from the author's thoughts on the = topic.=20

     However, after saying all this, I can = understand why IBD wants to
maintain her proprietory ownership = over her=20 intellectual property.  If she
didn't object when she = believes=20 non-fair use of IBD property is being used,
then, I believe, in = effect,=20 she would be effectively waiving her rights.

jans


In = a=20 message dated 8/22/2002 9:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
stkguru@bellsouth.net=20 writes:

<< MessageDuke, the funny thing is, if you don't = identify=20 your primary source
and also "blend in" other sources until the = final=20 product is your own
creation, they have no complaint. That is what = I was=20 forced to do when my
weekly scans of stocks at or close to new = highs came=20 entirely from DGO. Once
or twice I posted the spread sheet of data = right=20 from DGO's report, after
deleting every stock I didn't mention = (from=20 several hundred down to about
30). Instead of appreciating that I = was=20 showing non subscribers the quantity
and quality of CANSLIM data = available=20 from DGO, they threatened me as well.
Seems to be corporate policy = of both=20 DGO and IBD, with presumably lurkers
from both companies in our = midst.=20
 
 They don't seem to mind when you quote current = data on a=20 short list of
stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will = always=20 wonder just how
many articles printed in IBD were a direct result = of=20 ideas, comments and
observations of our postings here, and taken = from this=20 group without any
attribution or credit. They are strictly one = way, what=20 is theirs is theirs,
and what is ours is theirs as=20 well.
 
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: = Duke=20 Miller
 To: CANSLIM
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = 6:08=20 PM
 Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops=20 Lurk
 
 
 All...
 
 Earlier = this week=20 I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my
posting on = July 21st=20 of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation
of the = Terms and=20 Conditions of Investors.com. 
 
 I've conversed = with=20 several members off list regarding this matter, and the
reactions = have=20 been mixed. 
 
 The point is the material they = provide=20 is proprietary.  Since not everyone
on this list subscribes = to IBD,=20 it's important that when you post something
herein it is not in = violation=20 of their Terms and Conditions. 
 
 I have my own = mixed=20 feelings, ranging from silly to respectful:  =
 
 Silly,=20 because this list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in=20
non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, = this is=20 it! 
You can't buy this kind of publicity!  The fact = that from=20 time to time we
pass along "privileged" information itself stirs = curiosity=20 amongst lurkers,
whetting their appetites for more. They = ultimately end up=20 subscribing, etc,
etc. 
 
 I am, however,=20 respectful, because they're right--they own the material and
it's = for the=20 personal use only of subscribers.  I just wonder which one of us =
is=20 the "mole".
 
 C'est la vie.... = >>

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