From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2960 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Sunday, September 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2960 In this issue: [CANSLIM] Re: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah [CANSLIM] to all DGO subscribers Re: [CANSLIM] to all DGO subscribers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:09:15 -0400 From: "Dan Forant" Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah Just a curious question and a statement. How come other NBA teams haven't been knocking on Larry's door for his expertise? Larry ran from Indiana, and didn't impress Gaston much. I haven't been a big post NBA player/coach fan of Larry. DanF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Way Of The Ray" Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.boston-celtics To: Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah > OPINION > Sale greenlighted > > Record $360 million offer for Celtics too good for Gaston to pass up > > By Michael Holley, Globe Columnist, 9/28/2002 > > Let's begin with the professional courtesies. The Celtics have a new > ownership group, and the trio should be congratulated for coming up > with the richest team proposal in NBA history. These guys paid $360 > million for one of pro basketball's best brand names, and they didn't > have to scrape any penny jars to find the cash. > > So to Irving and Wycliffe Grousbeck and Stephen Pagliuca: Welcome to > the world of Boston ownership. When you have a moment we'll have dinner > and bill it to our friends at the New York Times. > > The new Green bosses are from the area, and they said yesterday that > they have been Celtics fans for life. Since that is the case, they > probably realize that two more things need to be done before they can > exhale and become truly comfortable. They have to make one more > purchase. And they have to make one more phone call. > > A trip to an art supplies store should take care of the purchase. The > phone call is even simpler. Just find the cellphone number for a man > named Larry from French Lick, Ind., and convince him that he needs to > be part of the management team. > > At the supply store, the owners can buy a paper cutter. Then they need > to gather all of Paul Gaston's files, suggestions, and memos, and turn > them into tiny blocks of scrap paper. > > If the new guys are indeed Celtics fans, they know that Gaston was the > worst of Boston's pro sports owners. The bashing of Jeremy Jacobs has > become institutionalized, but Gaston made Jacobs look like the > free-spending Mark Cuban. (I hear your skepticism, Bruins fans. But > I'll assure you this: If Gaston and Jacobs were matched up in a > worst-of-Boston series, Gaston would win the thing in an > easier-than-it-looked six games.) > > Irv, Wyc, and Steve will have a successful run here if they follow a > simple formula. Look at what the old boss did and do the opposite. > > Part of Gaston's problem was that he often seemed miserable as the > Celtics' shepherd. We always talk about pro athletes playing solely for > the paycheck, but Gaston was the same way. It was obvious he didn't > enjoy the games. When the subject was his team and his players, he was > as exciting as Barry Manilow. As the years went by, it was more and > more difficult to find him sitting in his FleetCenter seat. Yeah, > meddling owners are annoying, but absentee owners are worse. > > It wasn't an accident that the team's worst years came under Gaston's > ''leadership.'' He fired good employees. He allowed Rick Pitino to take > Red Auerbach's title. After M.L. Carr was reassigned and Pitino > resigned, he gradually ceded day-to-day power to Richard Pond. Pond > helped Gaston make a lot of money with the sale of Channel 25, but his > impact on Celtics culture is - at best - questionable. > > The recent Celtics were known as a cheap team, through and through. > Some organizations are focused on championships. Under Gaston and Pond, > the Celtics were focused on the location of every dime and every > quarter. > > Get that paper cutter, Irv. You too, Wyc and Steve. Put a pile of > documents under the blade. Whoosh. It's that easy. You also should > consider a bonfire to rid yourselves of Gaston's vanities. > > Being cheap was bad enough, but Gaston was a cheap owner who played > keepaway with a Boston legend. His pettiness with Larry Bird ran so > deep that he refused to sell the team to any Bird-affiliated group. > Bird, correctly, criticized Gaston's ownership reign and the owner > couldn't handle it. Bird's group offered Gaston between $350 and $360 > million for the team and was rejected. > > If the team's new ruling family reaches out to Bird, it will guarantee > itself a lifetime of good will. People in Boston may nitpick Nomar > Garciaparra, lose all patience with Manny Ramirez, and dissect the game > of Antoine Walker, but no one is going to rip Larry Bird. > > Bird has already proven that he can coach in the league. He would be a > good executive because he knows how to listen and knows how to > recognize talent. He also understands the psyche of the Boston sports > fan. So, for example, he wouldn't be ducking a luxury tax when he knew > that the organization had millions of dollars in the kitty. His > presence might make members of the basketball operations staff nervous, > but they should be nervous anyway; a new boss is always examining jobs > and the people who hold them. > > It rained yesterday in Boston, but it was one of the most pleasant > rainy days of the year. Early in the day, rumors of a sale began to > circulate. They were confirmed after noon. And at 3 o'clock, Gaston > removed a roadblock - himself - and turned the team over to three men > who can quickly be embraced here. > > The Celtics are a paper cutter and a phone call away from being one of > the best-run franchises in the NBA. As for Gaston, he didn't even know > how to exit with style. He avoided the luxury tax, he left the Celtics > without a point guard, and, as usual, he took his money and went home. > > Michael Holley is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is > holley@g... > > This story ran on page F1 of the Boston Globe on 9/28/2002. > ) Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company. > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:05:27 -0400 From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah Yep, wrong group. Sorry DanF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Forant" To: Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah > Just a curious question and a statement. How come other NBA teams haven't > been knocking on Larry's door for his expertise? > > Larry ran from Indiana, and didn't impress Gaston much. I haven't been a big > post NBA player/coach fan of Larry. > > DanF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Way Of The Ray" > Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.boston-celtics > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:50 AM > Subject: Holley Says Reach Out For The Messiah > > > > OPINION > > Sale greenlighted > > > > Record $360 million offer for Celtics too good for Gaston to pass up > > > > By Michael Holley, Globe Columnist, 9/28/2002 > > > > Let's begin with the professional courtesies. The Celtics have a new > > ownership group, and the trio should be congratulated for coming up > > with the richest team proposal in NBA history. These guys paid $360 > > million for one of pro basketball's best brand names, and they didn't > > have to scrape any penny jars to find the cash. > > > > So to Irving and Wycliffe Grousbeck and Stephen Pagliuca: Welcome to > > the world of Boston ownership. When you have a moment we'll have dinner > > and bill it to our friends at the New York Times. > > > > The new Green bosses are from the area, and they said yesterday that > > they have been Celtics fans for life. Since that is the case, they > > probably realize that two more things need to be done before they can > > exhale and become truly comfortable. They have to make one more > > purchase. And they have to make one more phone call. > > > > A trip to an art supplies store should take care of the purchase. The > > phone call is even simpler. Just find the cellphone number for a man > > named Larry from French Lick, Ind., and convince him that he needs to > > be part of the management team. > > > > At the supply store, the owners can buy a paper cutter. Then they need > > to gather all of Paul Gaston's files, suggestions, and memos, and turn > > them into tiny blocks of scrap paper. > > > > If the new guys are indeed Celtics fans, they know that Gaston was the > > worst of Boston's pro sports owners. The bashing of Jeremy Jacobs has > > become institutionalized, but Gaston made Jacobs look like the > > free-spending Mark Cuban. (I hear your skepticism, Bruins fans. But > > I'll assure you this: If Gaston and Jacobs were matched up in a > > worst-of-Boston series, Gaston would win the thing in an > > easier-than-it-looked six games.) > > > > Irv, Wyc, and Steve will have a successful run here if they follow a > > simple formula. Look at what the old boss did and do the opposite. > > > > Part of Gaston's problem was that he often seemed miserable as the > > Celtics' shepherd. We always talk about pro athletes playing solely for > > the paycheck, but Gaston was the same way. It was obvious he didn't > > enjoy the games. When the subject was his team and his players, he was > > as exciting as Barry Manilow. As the years went by, it was more and > > more difficult to find him sitting in his FleetCenter seat. Yeah, > > meddling owners are annoying, but absentee owners are worse. > > > > It wasn't an accident that the team's worst years came under Gaston's > > ''leadership.'' He fired good employees. He allowed Rick Pitino to take > > Red Auerbach's title. After M.L. Carr was reassigned and Pitino > > resigned, he gradually ceded day-to-day power to Richard Pond. Pond > > helped Gaston make a lot of money with the sale of Channel 25, but his > > impact on Celtics culture is - at best - questionable. > > > > The recent Celtics were known as a cheap team, through and through. > > Some organizations are focused on championships. Under Gaston and Pond, > > the Celtics were focused on the location of every dime and every > > quarter. > > > > Get that paper cutter, Irv. You too, Wyc and Steve. Put a pile of > > documents under the blade. Whoosh. It's that easy. You also should > > consider a bonfire to rid yourselves of Gaston's vanities. > > > > Being cheap was bad enough, but Gaston was a cheap owner who played > > keepaway with a Boston legend. His pettiness with Larry Bird ran so > > deep that he refused to sell the team to any Bird-affiliated group. > > Bird, correctly, criticized Gaston's ownership reign and the owner > > couldn't handle it. Bird's group offered Gaston between $350 and $360 > > million for the team and was rejected. > > > > If the team's new ruling family reaches out to Bird, it will guarantee > > itself a lifetime of good will. People in Boston may nitpick Nomar > > Garciaparra, lose all patience with Manny Ramirez, and dissect the game > > of Antoine Walker, but no one is going to rip Larry Bird. > > > > Bird has already proven that he can coach in the league. He would be a > > good executive because he knows how to listen and knows how to > > recognize talent. He also understands the psyche of the Boston sports > > fan. So, for example, he wouldn't be ducking a luxury tax when he knew > > that the organization had millions of dollars in the kitty. His > > presence might make members of the basketball operations staff nervous, > > but they should be nervous anyway; a new boss is always examining jobs > > and the people who hold them. > > > > It rained yesterday in Boston, but it was one of the most pleasant > > rainy days of the year. Early in the day, rumors of a sale began to > > circulate. They were confirmed after noon. And at 3 o'clock, Gaston > > removed a roadblock - himself - and turned the team over to three men > > who can quickly be embraced here. > > > > The Celtics are a paper cutter and a phone call away from being one of > > the best-run franchises in the NBA. As for Gaston, he didn't even know > > how to exit with style. He avoided the luxury tax, he left the Celtics > > without a point guard, and, as usual, he took his money and went home. > > > > Michael Holley is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is > > holley@g... > > > > This story ran on page F1 of the Boston Globe on 9/28/2002. > > ) Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:03:03 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] to all DGO subscribers did anyone else get a FedEx letter from DGO explaining why they are being so vigilant to protect their copyrighted material? wish they would have just sent me an email instead, and given me a $9.00 discount on my next renewal instead of boosting FedEx's revenues. I found it interesting that they finally admit to monitoring our group postings, of course we knew it already. Now if we can get IBD to admit to using ideas posted here for future publication?? The same notice they enclosed is also posted on their site, and does make sense. They have the right, both legally and ethically, to protect their proprietary material. But I still think that infringing postings at our site, including my own, have been infrequent, usually limited, and likely served more as free advertising than creating any harm. Oh well, just one man's opinion, and I am not a lawyer. Did IBD subscribers also get some kind of notice, or something at the site at least? Since apparently "DGO" is a trademark, does this now mean I must refer to them as "D*@" to avoid infringing?? Any copyright lawyers in the group? Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: James Bond Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] to all DGO subscribers - --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Since apparently "DGO" is a trademark, does this now > mean I must refer to > them as "D*@" to avoid infringing?? Any copyright > lawyers in the group? > Tom, IANAL (I am not a lawyer), but would offer my nonlegal opinion anyway. First of all, trademarks are protected under a different set of rules than copyrights. I think your usage of "DGO" is perfectly legal. If you really want to be safe, adding an acknowledgement "DGO is a trademark of IBD" would do. Posting of copyrighted materials in a group like this, would normally be covered under the "fair use" clause. The following would be an example of "fair use:" I don't understand the comment about "again proving the point that you can't teach old dogs new tricks" in Friday's Big Picture. Why wouldn't old tricks work? Posting entire articles wholesale, OTOH, would clearly be infringing. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". 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