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canslim-digest       Thursday, January 9 2003       Volume 02 : Number 3128



In this issue:

       [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       RE: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       RE: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF
       [CANSLIM] Current holdings & some changes
       [CANSLIM] Ebay
       Re: [CANSLIM] Ebay

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:46:38 -0800 (PST)
From: c bourgeois <uptickchick2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

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Hello everyone,

  I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now.  I am new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching?  I am ready to pounce :)

Cindy



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<P>Hello everyone,</P>
<P>&nbsp; I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now.&nbsp; I am new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching?&nbsp; I am ready to pounce :)</P>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:20:07 EST
From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

Cindy:

     While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it 
doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump.    
    
     However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt).  
Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than 
do funds.

      But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals 
and superior chart appearance of NBTY).  NBTY is a manf. and distributer of 
nutrients.  In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field.  
Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be healthy 
as they live longer.  NBTY fills that demand.  IFF (cosmetics) provides only 
a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid:  Eternal 
Youth (or at least as eternal as possible). 

     I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of 
stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't mean 
we're in a bull.  The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks 
or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.)  Moreover, as I said, I'd focus 
more on NBTY than IFF.    

jans 


In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

<< I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related 
company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now.  I am 
new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching?  I am ready to 
pounce :)
 
 Cindy >>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:22:18 -0600
From: "Katherine Malm" <kmalm@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

Hi Cindy,

I agree with jans' comments on the fundamentals and with the comparison to
stronger stocks within the industry. Good earnings news from HELE today also
demonstrates that fundamentals in this industry in general may be perking
up. That's also consistent with the typical action of the industry in late
Bear/Early Bull stages.

I've annotated some comments on the daily chart at:
http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903.JPG

and on the weekly chart at:
http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903wkly.JPG

Katherine

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Cindy:

     While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it
doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump.

     However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt).
Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than
do funds.

      But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals
and superior chart appearance of NBTY).  NBTY is a manf. and distributer of
nutrients.  In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field.
Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be
healthy
as they live longer.  NBTY fills that demand.  IFF (cosmetics) provides only
a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid:  Eternal
Youth (or at least as eternal as possible).

     I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of
stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't
mean
we're in a bull.  The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks
or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.)  Moreover, as I said, I'd
focus
more on NBTY than IFF.

jans


In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

<< I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related
company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now.  I am
new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching?  I am ready to
pounce :)

 Cindy >>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:59:29 -0800 (PST)
From: c bourgeois <uptickchick2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

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Jans,
Thanks for your response.  I admit I didn't look very closely at the fundamentals myself because I rely on IBD to do that for me.  Shame on me. :)  If NBTY continues in an uptrend, my thinking is that it will pull IFF with it.  My plan would be to get in at the buy point and ride up for the short term as long as I don't get any negative signals and as long as NBTY stays strong.  Alternatively, if I decide on NBTY it appears that I will have to wait for a pullback to find a buy point, right?
 Spencer48@aol.com wrote:Cindy:

While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it 
doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump. 

However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt). 
Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than 
do funds.

But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals 
and superior chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and distributer of 
nutrients. In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field. 
Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be healthy 
as they live longer. NBTY fills that demand. IFF (cosmetics) provides only 
a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid: Eternal 
Youth (or at least as eternal as possible). 

I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of 
stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't mean 
we're in a bull. The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks 
or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.) Moreover, as I said, I'd focus 
more on NBTY than IFF. 

jans 


In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

<< I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related 
company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now. I am 
new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching? I am ready to 
pounce :)

Cindy >>

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<P>Jans,
<P>Thanks for your response.&nbsp; I admit I didn't look very closely at the fundamentals myself because I rely on IBD to do that for me.&nbsp; Shame on me. :)&nbsp; If NBTY continues in an uptrend, my thinking is that it will pull IFF with it.&nbsp; My plan would be to get in at the buy point and ride up for the short term as long as I don't get any negative signals and as long as NBTY stays strong.&nbsp; Alternatively, if I decide on NBTY it appears that I will have to wait for a pullback to find a buy point, right?
<P>&nbsp;<B><I>Spencer48@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Cindy:<BR><BR>While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it <BR>doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump. <BR><BR>However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt). <BR>Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than <BR>do funds.<BR><BR>But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals <BR>and superior chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and distributer of <BR>nutrients. In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field. <BR>Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be healthy <BR>as they live longer. NBTY fills that demand. IFF (cosmetics) provides only <BR>a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid: Eternal <BR>Youth (or at least as eternal as possible). <BR><BR>I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of <BR>stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't mean <BR>we're in a bull. The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks <BR>or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.) Moreover, as I said, I'd focus <BR>more on NBTY than IFF. <BR><BR>jans <BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:<BR><BR>&lt;&lt; I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related <BR>company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now. I am <BR>new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching? I am ready to <BR>pounce :)<BR><BR>Cindy &gt;&gt;<BR><BR>-<BR>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"<BR>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or<BR>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:02:29 -0800 (PST)
From: c bourgeois <uptickchick2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

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Hi Katherine,
Thanks for chart, it was awesome!  
Cindy
 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:Hi Cindy,

I agree with jans' comments on the fundamentals and with the comparison to
stronger stocks within the industry. Good earnings news from HELE today also
demonstrates that fundamentals in this industry in general may be perking
up. That's also consistent with the typical action of the industry in late
Bear/Early Bull stages.

I've annotated some comments on the daily chart at:
http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903.JPG

and on the weekly chart at:
http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903wkly.JPG

Katherine

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Cindy:

While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it
doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump.

However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt).
Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than
do funds.

But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals
and superior chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and distributer of
nutrients. In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field.
Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be
healthy
as they live longer. NBTY fills that demand. IFF (cosmetics) provides only
a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid: Eternal
Youth (or at least as eternal as possible).

I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of
stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't
mean
we're in a bull. The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks
or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.) Moreover, as I said, I'd
focus
more on NBTY than IFF.

jans


In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

<< I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related
company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now. I am
new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching? I am ready to
pounce :)

Cindy >>

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<P>Hi Katherine,
<P>Thanks for chart, it was awesome!&nbsp; 
<P>Cindy
<P>&nbsp;<B><I>Katherine Malm &lt;kmalm@earthlink.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi Cindy,<BR><BR>I agree with jans' comments on the fundamentals and with the comparison to<BR>stronger stocks within the industry. Good earnings news from HELE today also<BR>demonstrates that fundamentals in this industry in general may be perking<BR>up. That's also consistent with the typical action of the industry in late<BR>Bear/Early Bull stages.<BR><BR>I've annotated some comments on the daily chart at:<BR>http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903.JPG<BR><BR>and on the weekly chart at:<BR>http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/IFF010903wkly.JPG<BR><BR>Katherine<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com<BR>Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:20 AM<BR>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF<BR><BR><BR>Cindy:<BR><BR>While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it<BR>doesn't look like a hazardous waste dump.<BR><BR>However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, debt).<BR>Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the stock than<BR>do funds.<BR><BR>But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals<BR>and superior chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and distributer of<BR>nutrients. In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field.<BR>Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to be<BR>healthy<BR>as they live longer. NBTY fills that demand. IFF (cosmetics) provides only<BR>a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid: Eternal<BR>Youth (or at least as eternal as possible).<BR><BR>I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% of<BR>stocks fall during a bear; now we may not be in a bear, but that doesn't<BR>mean<BR>we're in a bull. The market could just fluctuate in a tight range for weeks<BR>or months just below the 200 DMA resistance.) Moreover, as I said, I'd<BR>focus<BR>more on NBTY than IFF.<BR><BR>jans<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,<BR>uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:<BR><BR>&lt;&lt; I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a related<BR>company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle now. I am<BR>new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching? I am ready to<BR>pounce :)<BR><BR>Cindy &gt;&gt;<BR><BR>-<BR>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"<BR>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or<BR>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-<BR>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"<BR>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or<BR>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:05:44 -0500
From: "Jonathan Lobatto" <jlobatto@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

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I'd be careful about making that assumption. NBTY and IFF are very =
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Jon
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  Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF


  Jans,=20

  Thanks for your response.  I admit I didn't look very closely at the =
fundamentals myself because I rely on IBD to do that for me.  Shame on =
me. :)  If NBTY continues in an uptrend, my thinking is that it will =
pull IFF with it.  My plan would be to get in at the buy point and ride =
up for the short term as long as I don't get any negative signals and as =
long as NBTY stays strong.  Alternatively, if I decide on NBTY it =
appears that I will have to wait for a pullback to find a buy point, =
right?=20

   Spencer48@aol.com wrote:=20

    Cindy:

    While the chart is not as nice looking as NBTY (in my opinion), it=20
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    However, the fundamentals don't look that great (eg, earnings, =
debt).=20
    Also, I generally like management to own a greater percent of the =
stock than=20
    do funds.

    But this is why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the =
fundamentals=20
    and superior chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and =
distributer of=20
    nutrients. In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field.=20
    Baby-Boomers (besides wanting to live longer) are going to want to =
be healthy=20
    as they live longer. NBTY fills that demand. IFF (cosmetics) =
provides only=20
    a bandaid for that which (I believe) baby-boomers will be avid: =
Eternal=20
    Youth (or at least as eternal as possible).=20

    I'd wait for the market to get better (WON's stats say that over 75% =
of=20
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doesn't mean=20
    we're in a bull. The market could just fluctuate in a tight range =
for weeks=20
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I'd focus=20
    more on NBTY than IFF.=20

    jans=20


    In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
    uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

    << I was checking out NBTY this morning on IBD and noticed that a =
related=20
    company IFF, has formed a perfect cup and may be forming a handle =
now. I am=20
    new to investing and tech analysis...does this bear watching? I am =
ready to=20
    pounce :)

    Cindy >>

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  <P>Jans,=20
  <P>Thanks for your response.&nbsp; I admit I didn't look very closely =
at the=20
  fundamentals myself because I rely on IBD to do that for me.&nbsp; =
Shame on=20
  me. :)&nbsp; If NBTY continues in an uptrend, my thinking is that it =
will pull=20
  IFF with it.&nbsp; My plan would be to get in at the buy point and =
ride up for=20
  the short term as long as I don't get any negative signals and as long =
as NBTY=20
  stays strong.&nbsp; Alternatively, if I decide on NBTY it appears that =
I will=20
  have to wait for a pullback to find a buy point, right?=20
  <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Spencer48@aol.com</I></B> wrote:=20
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<BR>doesn't=20
    look like a hazardous waste dump. <BR><BR>However, the fundamentals =
don't=20
    look that great (eg, earnings, debt). <BR>Also, I generally like =
management=20
    to own a greater percent of the stock than <BR>do funds.<BR><BR>But =
this is=20
    why I would go more towards NBTY (besides the fundamentals <BR>and =
superior=20
    chart appearance of NBTY). NBTY is a manf. and distributer of =
<BR>nutrients.=20
    In my opinion, this is an up-and-coming baby boom field. =
<BR>Baby-Boomers=20
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may be=20
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:18:29 EST
From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on IFF

Cindy:

     When we are in a problematical market (ie. presently-while maybe not a 
bear, not yet a bull), I will generally look at the weekly for buy points 
(I'm hoping to spot an uptrend); the daily chart usually is too volatile and 
untrustworthy.  I trust the weekly, in a bear or tight ranging market, to be 
more reliable.  I don't have any data to support this feeling, but it does 
seem common-sensical to me:  If a stock Breaks Out on high volume on a weekly 
basis (and doesn't retrace during the week of the BO), then its future 
up-path I believe will be more reliable (and predictable). 

     Thus, NBTY on the daily chart has indeed broken out-and I would wait for 
the retracement (seeing that the retracement doesn't go below the pivot 
point-and it does so on low volume).  However, notice that on the weekly it 
has broken out ONLY this past week.  I'd wait to see how it closes Friday.  
If it is still above its breakout point, then I will go to the daily for my 
final analysis and see how it is holding up (declining on lo volume, or hi 
volume price-falls where the stock ends near the top of its range [this 
indicates, to me, fund/institutional support] )

     I don't know that I'd choose IFF even if the industry picks up.  WON 
says that one should choose the strongest stocks in a strong industry.  Also, 
I believe I read somewhere that WON says that lagging stocks in a strong 
industry are unlikely to become the leaders in that industry (unless, I 
guess, they have some new product or marketing scheme).  IFF doesn't strike 
me as that type of company.

jans


In a message dated 1/9/2003 2:00:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
uptickchick2003@yahoo.com writes:

<< Thanks for your response.  I admit I didn't look very closely at the 
fundamentals myself because I rely on IBD to do that for me.  Shame on me. :) 
 If NBTY continues in an uptrend, my thinking is that it will pull IFF with 
it.  My plan would be to get in at the buy point and ride up for the short 
term as long as I don't get any negative signals and as long as NBTY stays 
strong.  Alternatively, if I decide on NBTY it appears that I will have to 
wait for a pullback to find a buy point, right? >>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:51:31 EST
From: Vanchee1@aol.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings & some changes

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Well, all, I was happy with last year and managed to end the year up a 
respectable 30%. As we enter this year I am hoping for much better results 
and have made a few long needed changes which include,

1. More diversity in the number of groups and more stock holding putting a 
little less money at risk on any one stock or any one group. Typically I 
would own around 8 stocks which now is about 13.

2. When I buy a stock, I also put in a stop loss. I will not ride any down 
this year. I do allow a generous 10% from my buy point.

3. I am not trading and bouncing around as much, allowing the reasons for 
buying to take hold, after all I try to find stocks under the radar or the 
diamond in the rough, so some may take a while. Too many times my sell was 
about 3 months premature.

Current holding are, (which most of you are familiar with).
NBTY 96/93 BAA
RNR 95/73 BAB
NUTR 87/98 A
ACET 99/82 BAB
STST 86/92 B
ABRX 80/97 A
NCEN 80/95 BAA
RADA 80/83 B
INVN 80/44 BBD
MGAM 79/83 AAB
DLI 74/84 BC
CURE 74/85 DAB

I enjoy any feedback on my list, negative or positive so feel free to add 
your 2 cents, it could only help especially if I overlooked something that I 
may not be aware of.

Chris

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Century Gothic" LANG="0">Well, all, I was happy with last year and managed to end the year up a respectable 30%. As we enter this year I am hoping for much better results and have made a few long needed changes which include,<BR>
<BR>
1. More diversity in the number of groups and more stock holding putting a little less money at risk on any one stock or any one group. Typically I would own around 8 stocks which now is about 13.<BR>
<BR>
2. When I buy a stock, I also put in a stop loss. I will not ride any down this year. I do allow a generous 10% from my buy point.<BR>
<BR>
3. I am not trading and bouncing around as much, allowing the reasons for buying to take hold, after all I try to find stocks under the radar or the diamond in the rough, so some may take a while. Too many times my sell was about 3 months premature.<BR>
<BR>
Current holding are, (which most of you are familiar with).<BR>
<B>NBTY 96/93 BAA<BR>
RNR 95/73 BAB<BR>
NUTR 87/98 A<BR>
ACET 99/82 BAB<BR>
STST 86/92 B<BR>
ABRX 80/97 A<BR>
NCEN 80/95 BAA<BR>
RADA 80/83 B<BR>
INVN 80/44 BBD<BR>
MGAM 79/83 AAB<BR>
DLI 74/84 BC<BR>
CURE 74/85 DAB<BR>
<BR>
</B>I enjoy any feedback on my list, negative or positive so feel free to add your 2 cents, it could only help especially if I overlooked something that I may not be aware of.<BR>
<BR>
Chris</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:18:21 -0700
From: "Rahul Parikh" <rahul6180@india.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Ebay

have any of you&nbsp;taken a look at e-bay. The stock seems to have a good chart and fundamental. I have talk to employees of the company and business seems to be good. The future of the company looks good to.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Vanchee1@aol.com<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:51:31 EST<BR>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings &amp; some changes<BR><BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Century Gothic" size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Well, all, I was happy with last year and managed to end the year up a respectable 30%. As we enter this year I am hoping for much better results and have made a few long needed changes which include,<BR><BR>1. More diversity in the number of groups and more stock holding putting a little less money at risk on any one stock or any one group. Typically I would own around 8 stocks which now is about 13.<BR><BR>2. When I buy a stock, I also put in a stop loss. I will not ride any down this year. I do allow a generous 10% from my buy point.<BR><BR>3. I am not trading and bouncing around as much, allowing the reasons for buying to take hold, after all I try to find stocks under the radar or the diamond in the rough, so some may take a while. Too many times my sell was about 3 months premature.<BR><BR>Current holding are, (which most of you are familiar with).<BR><B>NBTY 96/93 BAA<BR>RNR 95/73 BAB<BR>NUTR 87/98 A<BR>ACET 99/82 BAB<BR>STST 86/92 B<BR>ABRX 80/97 A<BR>NCEN 80/95 BAA<BR>RADA 80/83 B<BR>INVN 80/44 BBD<BR>MGAM 79/83 AAB<BR>DLI 74/84 BC<BR>CURE 74/85 DAB<BR><BR></B>I enjoy any feedback on my list, negative or positive so feel free to add your 2 cents, it could only help especially if I overlooked something that I may not be aware of.<BR><BR>Chris</FONT> </FONT>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:24:41 -0500
From: "Jonathan Lobatto" <jlobatto@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ebay

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I don't think you'll get any arguments on E-Bay's prospects, but Ias I =
recall the PE is around 100 so while the business may do very well, the =
stock may lag actual results going forward.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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  Subject: [CANSLIM] Ebay


  have any of you taken a look at e-bay. The stock seems to have a good =
chart and fundamental. I have talk to employees of the company and =
business seems to be good. The future of the company looks good to.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Vanchee1@aol.com
  Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:51:31 EST
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings & some changes

  Well, all, I was happy with last year and managed to end the year up a =
respectable 30%. As we enter this year I am hoping for much better =
results and have made a few long needed changes which include,

  1. More diversity in the number of groups and more stock holding =
putting a little less money at risk on any one stock or any one group. =
Typically I would own around 8 stocks which now is about 13.

  2. When I buy a stock, I also put in a stop loss. I will not ride any =
down this ! year. I do allow a generous 10% from my buy point.

  3. I am not trading and bouncing around as much, allowing the reasons =
for buying to take hold, after all I try to find stocks under the radar =
or the diamond in the rough, so some may take a while. Too many times my =
sell was about 3 months premature.

  Current holding are, (which most of you are familiar with).
  NBTY 96/93 BAA
  RNR 95/73 BAB
  NUTR 87/98 A
  ACET 99/82 BAB
  STST 86/92 B
  ABRX 80/97 A
  NCEN 80/95 BAA
  RADA 80/83 B
  INVN 80/44 BBD
  MGAM 79/83 AAB
  DLI 74/84 BC
  CURE 74/85 DAB

  I enjoy any feedback on my list, negative or positive so feel free to =
add your 2 cents, it could only help especially if I overlooked =
something that I may not be aware of.

  Chris --=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] Ebay</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>have any of you&nbsp;taken a look at e-bay. The stock =
seems to=20
  have a good chart and fundamental. I have talk to employees of the =
company and=20
  business seems to be good. The future of the company looks good=20
  to.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:Vanchee1@aol.com">Vanchee1@aol.com</A><BR>Date: Thu, 9 =
Jan 2003=20
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href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
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  face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2 =

  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Well, all, I was happy with last year and managed =
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  the year up a respectable 30%. As we enter this year I am hoping for =
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  better results and have made a few long needed changes which=20
  include,<BR><BR>1. More diversity in the number of groups and more =
stock=20
  holding putting a little less money at risk on any one stock or any =
one group.=20
  Typically I would own around 8 stocks which now is about 13.<BR><BR>2. =
When I=20
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! year.=20
  I do allow a generous 10% from my buy point.<BR><BR>3. I am not =
trading and=20
  bouncing around as much, allowing the reasons for buying to take hold, =
after=20
  all I try to find stocks under the radar or the diamond in the rough, =
so some=20
  may take a while. Too many times my sell was about 3 months=20
  premature.<BR><BR>Current holding are, (which most of you are familiar =

  with).<BR><B>NBTY 96/93 BAA<BR>RNR 95/73 BAB<BR>NUTR 87/98 A<BR>ACET =
99/82=20
  BAB<BR>STST 86/92 B<BR>ABRX 80/97 A<BR>NCEN 80/95 BAA<BR>RADA 80/83 =
B<BR>INVN=20
  80/44 BBD<BR>MGAM 79/83 AAB<BR>DLI 74/84 BC<BR>CURE 74/85 =
DAB<BR><BR></B>I=20
  enjoy any feedback on my list, negative or positive so feel free to =
add your 2=20
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