From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3146 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, January 24 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3146 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] GRMN Re: [CANSLIM] New to the group Re: [CANSLIM] New to the group EELN (was Re: [CANSLIM] GRMN0 RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:17:47 -0800 (PST) From: chris landolfi Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] GRMN - --0-1965128317-1043299067=:32720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii EELN looks promising! i'd like anyone's feedback on it. I've been following it for a while, it seems great, excellent earnings, 'A' rating from investors.com...and it's a low priced stock! what do y'all think? chris "Edward W. Gjertsen II" wrote: We only had a 50% position in GRMN. We added 1/3 more at the 28 level. The rational? Dramatic selling for no reason other than repositioning of assets. The sell off in our humble opinion was unwarranted. Weak hands into strong hands. We will most likely wait for a base to be built prior to completing our position which would be our first whole position in quite some time. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann Hollingworth Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:44 PM To: CANSLIM Listserv Subject: [CANSLIM] GRMN I'm curious, Ed. Why did you buy it on pullback rather than waiting for it to form another base? Ann - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-1965128317-1043299067=:32720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii EELN looks promising!  i'd like anyone's feedback on it. I've been following it for a while, it seems great, excellent earnings, 'A' rating from investors.com...and it's a low priced stock!   what do y'all think?

chris

 "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com> wrote:

We only had a 50% position in GRMN.  We added 1/3 more at the 28 level.  The rational?  Dramatic selling for no reason other than repositioning of assets.  The sell off in our humble opinion was unwarranted.  Weak hands into strong hands.  We will most likely wait for a base to be built prior to completing our position which would be our first whole position in quite some time.

 

Ed Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-
canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann Hollingworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:44 PM
To: CANSLIM Listserv
Subject: [CANSLIM] GRMN

 

I'm curious, Ed.  Why did you buy it on pullback rather than waiting for it to form another base?

 

Ann



Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-1965128317-1043299067=:32720-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:00:57 -0700 From: "Rolf Hertenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New to the group Great advice, Tom. But tell us, what do you really think about M? 'Act and think like you're committing a million bucks' really got me. It's easy to get rushed/careless, buy a few shares and justify it as only a small amount of $. Good stuff, thanks. Rolf > > act and think like you are committing a million dollars, do your due > diligence accordingly > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:04:12 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New to the group "M" sucks right now. Lost in WEBX yesterday thanks to Bill Gates and MSFT, making it all up in NSCN and its earnings, along with SFNT, today. If you are going to put real cash in today's market, at least stay diversified, it can save your a - s - s - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolf Hertenstein" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New to the group Great advice, Tom. But tell us, what do you really think about M? 'Act and think like you're committing a million bucks' really got me. It's easy to get rushed/careless, buy a few shares and justify it as only a small amount of $. Good stuff, thanks. Rolf > > act and think like you are committing a million dollars, do your due > diligence accordingly > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:10:06 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: EELN (was Re: [CANSLIM] GRMN0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C2C2C7.9AB83880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fundies do look good, but chart says if you didn't already buy in the = $2.00 range, or at least as it broke the pivot of 2.13, then you are too = late buying at this possible consolidation of 2.50 level. you are going = to have to wait and see if it forms a new base on the handle here. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: chris landolfi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:17 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] GRMN EELN looks promising! i'd like anyone's feedback on it. I've been = following it for a while, it seems great, excellent earnings, 'A' rating = from investors.com...and it's a low priced stock! what do y'all think? = chris=20 "Edward W. Gjertsen II" wrote:=20 We only had a 50% position in GRMN. We added 1/3 more at the 28 = level. The rational? Dramatic selling for no reason other than = repositioning of assets. The sell off in our humble opinion was = unwarranted. Weak hands into strong hands. We will most likely wait = for a base to be built prior to completing our position which would be = our first whole position in quite some time. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann Hollingworth Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:44 PM To: CANSLIM Listserv Subject: [CANSLIM] GRMN I'm curious, Ed. Why did you buy it on pullback rather than waiting = for it to form another base? Ann - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C2C2C7.9AB83880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
fundies do look good, but chart says if you = didn't already=20 buy in the $2.00 range, or at least as it broke the pivot of 2.13, then = you are=20 too late buying at this possible consolidation of 2.50 level. you are = going to=20 have to wait and see if it forms a new base on the handle = here.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: chris = landolfi=20
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] GRMN

EELN looks promising!  i'd like anyone's feedback on = it.=20 I've been following it for a while, it seems great, excellent = earnings, 'A'=20 rating from investors.com...and it's a low priced stock!   = what do=20 y'all think?=20

chris=20

 "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com> = wrote:=20

We only had a 50% position in = GRMN. =20 We added 1/3 more at the 28 level.  The rational?  Dramatic = selling=20 for no reason other than repositioning of assets.  The sell off = in our=20 humble opinion was unwarranted.  Weak hands into strong = hands.  We=20 will most likely wait for a base to be built prior to completing our = position=20 which would be our first whole position in quite some = time.

 

Ed Gjertsen = II

ed@macktracks.com

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-
canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of = Ann=20 Hollingworth
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 January 22, 2003 10:44 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM Listserv
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] GRMN

 

I'm curious, Ed.  = Why did you=20 buy it on pullback rather than waiting for it to form another=20 base?

 

Ann



Do you Yahoo!?
Yaho= o! Mail=20 Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign= up=20 now - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C2C2C7.9AB83880-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:42:21 -0600 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group Hi Christian, I think one of the most important things I learned from O'Neil was not that fundamentals matter, as that has always been the case and is important to the biggest of gurus such as Buffett, but that *technicals* matter as well. As the market is always forward looking, the technicals will tell the tale of the stock before the fundamentals (which lag in reporting) reflect what is going on. That's how it was easy to see that stocks such as QCOM, YHOO, AOL, etc. were rolling over and falling apart in early 2000, even as their recent financial reports showed excellent results. The simplest way to read the market signals then, is to read the action of the leading stocks. When they begin to act in tandem, that tells you collectively of the general market health. Unfortunately, I don't think O'Neil does a particularly good job explaining charts in his book, HTMMIS. That's not to say it's not an excellent book. It is and I've read it over and over during the years. The problem is, as a beginner at technical analysis, it's just not enough to get the gist of things and gain confidence in reading the price/volume action in the stock. Here are 3 books that I thought did a good job. Though each has their own quirks and shortcomings, collectively, they give a good base. Once you read these, go back and read HTMMIS again. It'll make a great deal more sense. - -"How I Made $2,000,000 in the Stock Market" by Nicolas Darvas. A quick read, but gives a good view of stocks in consolidation as they move from one level of support/resistance to the next (He calls this "boxes"). Put a brown book cover on this if you read it at the coffee shop. People will stare at you in disbelief! - -"How Charts Can Help You in the Stock Market" by William L. Jiler. A very good overview of price/volume patterns. Short and sweet but full of examples. Again, gives you a good reference point for understanding technical analysis. No need for a cover on this one, but sit with the other folks who read self help books. With a title like that, you'll fit right in and they won't be the wiser. - -"Secrets for Profiting in Bull and Bear Markets" by Stan Weinstein. This is the book that made everything click for me. Something about the way he looks at charts makes it seem like common sense. This is definitely not CANSLIM, but you can take away a great deal from his approach to technical analysis. Also includes exercises at the end of each chapter to test your understanding. No need for a cover on this one, as his clever inclusion of the word "BEAR" in the title will make people smile at you with that sympathetic "I know, hasn't this been a killer few years in the market" look. The other thing that I've found helpful over the years is to save chart examples from the IBD and from stocks you run across in articles and/or discussions. Keep a binder with your notations of what you do and don't understand. It's amazing how, over time, you can go back and read your notations and see how much progress you've made with each day! Katherine - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of CJ's email Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group Hi Katherine, Thanks for your reply. I'm more interested in understanding market indicators, reading/understanding charts (understanding the price to volume relationship), and investment methodologies. I guess due to the market, I'm more reluctant in investing in a company even if it has good fundementals. I've read a book on CANSLIM from O'Neil (I've read a few interesting emails on IBD) and firmly believe in what he says in researching a companies fundementals (ie. earnings, growth, institutional ownership, industry ranking, etc.), but I'm still a bit skeptical on how companies chart's tend to follow a trend (cup & handle, head & shoulders, etc.) when they have these good fundementals in a bullish market (He tends to emphasize that this technique only works in a bull market). I'm sure my skeptism is probably due to me still being new to this and the fact that we are still in a bearish market. I realize this will take some time for me to learn and I'll probably have to get my feet wet to understand this more thoroughly. This may sound dumb, but I guess I'm looking for some advice from people on how to make that first step into investing. Hopefully, this has helped. Thanks again, Christian - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:42 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group Hi Christian, Welcome to the group. What kinds of information are you looking for specifically? General market history, reading market conditions, money management, trading psychology, specific investing methodologies, reading charts, understanding fundamental indicators and/or reading financial statements, etc., etc.? There's a world of information out there and plenty of good books and websites on any one of them. Once you give us a good idea of what you're trying to achieve, folks here can chime in with their favorites. Katherine - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of CEWALD@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:20 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] New to the group Hello all, I wanted to thank all of you for helping out in my quest to learn more about CANSLIM investing in the market. I have especially learned a great deal more since joining this group (joined a couple of months ago), but still feel like an amateur compared to most of you and am still a little reluctant in asking questions. Instead, I'll ask for advice. What would most or some of you recommend as a good way to learn more about the market and more importantly becoming more confident in investing? Thanks again for your help! Christian - ---------------- Christian Ewald - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:32:36 -0600 From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] New to the group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2C38B.87DEA0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone determined whether pigeons can differentiate between the colors Green and Red? Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com - -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ricci [mailto:genr@swbell.net] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:06 PM To: My Friends Subject: Puritanical Pigeons Puritanical Pigeons The Quotation . A beer never tastes as good as when you drag yourself over a hilltop to get it. Jeans always look better when they cost a couple of hundred dollars. The same is even true of university courses: the chemistry you struggled with somehow seems more worthy than the Spanish you coasted through. Social psychologists have tended to view this sort of twisted logic as uniquely human - fobbing it off as "cultural". But a group of pigeons in Kentucky has now exploded the myth that humans alone have such a work ethic. They have shown that even dumb birds tend to value hard-won rewards more than freebies. Thomas Zentall, a psychologist at the University of Kentucky, was suspicious of the idea that humans were the only creatures to behave in this way. With the help of a graduate student, Tricia Clement, he trained a small band of pigeons to tap on a button if they wanted a snack. Sometimes the pigeon had to tap only once, whereupon the button turned red and some grain appeared. Other times, though, the pigeon had to tap a tiresome 20 pecks before the light turned green and the grain was delivered. The pigeons soon learnt that the red button meant one thing and the green quite another. But given the choice between them, which would a pigeon go for? Classical theory suggests that the pigeon should not really care; both buttons, after all, preceded the same reward. If anything, a clever pigeon would associate the red button with less work, and might prefer it. What Dr. Zentall and Ms. Clement found, however, was quite the opposite. Pigeons, like humans, are tricked into thinking that what they have worked hard for is actually better. They selected the green button twice as often as the red one. The effort seemed, according to Dr. Zentall, to make the grain more valuable. The phrase "bird-brained" somehow comes winging irresistibly to mind. - - The Economist, August 5th, 2000 Innerworth Comment Beware, and be aware, that the rewards you reap from trading do not increase in worth if the process of earning them involves unnecessary effort. Therefore you can trade smart when you accept that you can actually work less, if you work smart. George Soros has talked about "working" as little as possible. However, he is not talking about being lazy. The following quote from Bill Lipschutz in New Market Wizards describes the process: By the way, when I talk about working hard, I mean commitment and focus; it has nothing to do with how many hours you spend in the office. These traders have tremendous commitment to the markets - to their craft, so to speak. They develop scenarios, reevaluate scenarios, collect information, and reevalute that information. They constantly ask themselves: what am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? How can I do what I am doing better? How can I get more information? It's obsessive. - -The New Market Wizards, by Jack Schwager, p.63 - ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2C38B.87DEA0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone determined whether = pigeons can differentiate between the colors Green and Red? Assumptions, = assumptions, assumptions.

 

Ed Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: Gene Ricci [mailto:genr@swbell.net]
Sent:
Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:06 = PM
To: My Friends
Subject: Puritanical = Pigeons

 

Puritanical Pigeons =


The Quotation … =

A beer never tastes as good as when you drag = yourself over a hilltop to get it. Jeans always look better when they cost a couple = of hundred dollars. The same is even true of university courses: the = chemistry you struggled with somehow seems more worthy than the Spanish you = coasted through. Social psychologists have tended to view this sort of twisted = logic as uniquely human – fobbing it off as “cultural”. = But a group of pigeons in Kentucky has now exploded the myth that humans alone have such a work ethic. They have = shown that even dumb birds tend to value hard-won rewards more than = freebies.

 

Thomas Zentall, a psychologist at the = University of Kentucky, was suspicious of the idea that humans were the only creatures to behave = in this way. With the help of a graduate student, Tricia Clement, he trained a = small band of pigeons to tap on a button if they wanted a snack. Sometimes = the pigeon had to tap only once, whereupon the button turned red and some = grain appeared. Other times, though, the pigeon had to tap a tiresome 20 = pecks before the light turned green and the grain was delivered. =

 

The pigeons soon learnt that the red button meant = one thing and the green quite another. But given the choice between them, = which would a pigeon go for? Classical theory suggests that the pigeon = should not really care; both buttons, after all,

 

 

preceded the same reward. If anything, a clever = pigeon would associate the red button with less work, and might prefer it. =

 

What Dr. Zentall and Ms. Clement found, however, = was quite the opposite. Pigeons, like humans, are tricked into thinking that = what they have worked hard for is actually better. They selected the green = button twice as often as the red one. The effort seemed, according to Dr. Zentall, = to make the grain more valuable. The phrase “bird-brained” somehow = comes winging irresistibly to mind.

- The Economist, August 5th, 2000

 

 

 

Innerworth Comment =
Beware, and be aware, that the rewards you reap from trading do not = increase in worth if the process of earning them involves unnecessary effort. Therefore you can trade smart when you accept that you can actually = work less, if you work smart. George Soros has talked about = “working” as little as possible. However, he is not talking about being lazy. = The following quote from
Bill = Lipschutz in New Market Wizards describes the process:

By the way, when I talk about = working hard, I mean commitment and focus; it has nothing to do with how many = hours you spend in the office. These traders have tremendous commitment to = the markets – to their craft, so to speak. They develop scenarios, reevaluate scenarios, collect information, and reevalute that = information. They constantly ask themselves: what am I doing right? What am I doing = wrong? How can I do what I am doing better? How can I get more information? It’s obsessive.

-The New Market Wizards, by Jack Schwager, = p.63

 

 

 

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