From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3269 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Monday, April 14 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3269 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] Bailing out of a would-be breakout RE: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends Re: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:10:52 -0400 From: Mike Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Bailing out of a would-be breakout - --=====================_89295049==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Datek now Ameritrade, in addition to the graphical order window has the feature; Rapid Entry. This is a command line where if you want to buy (b) 100 shares (100) of XYZ (xyz) with a stop or activation price (act) of 21 (21) and then open a trailing stop of 3% (t3%) The Rapid Order command is b 100xyz act21 t3% and the system responds with a more verbal description of the order confirming it understands. It looked to me like all of the individual commands work but not when combined as above, like when it activated it failed to open trailing stop. I haven't traded Ameritrade in 6 months and assume that was just a bug they've fixed. Might worth asking them for confirmation if the system will work the way you want it to. Mike >> At 4/14/2003 01:28 AM, you wrote: Hi Tom, You mention that you may "enter a limit buy back in the area of support in case the b/o fails". How do you protect against getting filled as the stock plummets south and keeps going. On another subject, do you know of any broker whose online trading software is powerful enough to enter a limit order when a stock reaches x, immediately put on a trailing stop of, say, 3% and increase the trailing stop to, say 5% when the stock reaches, say, 110% of your purchase price. Thanks, Harold - --=====================_89295049==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Datek now Ameritrade, in addition to the graphical order window has the feature;  Rapid Entry.  This is a command line where if you want to buy (b) 100 shares (100) of XYZ (xyz) with a stop or activation price (act) of 21 (21) and then open a trailing stop of 3% (t3%)
The Rapid Order command is
b 100xyz act21 t3%
and the system responds with a more verbal description of the order confirming it understands. 

It looked to me like all of the individual commands work but not when combined as above, like when it activated it failed to open trailing stop. 

I haven't traded Ameritrade in 6 months and assume that was just a bug they've fixed.  Might worth asking them for confirmation if the system will work the way you want it to.

Mike


>>
At 4/14/2003  01:28 AM, you wrote:
Hi Tom,

You mention that you may “enter a limit buy back in the area of support in case the b/o fails”.  How do you protect against getting filled as the stock plummets south and keeps going.

On another subject, do you know of any broker whose online trading software is powerful enough to enter a limit order when a stock reaches x, immediately put on a trailing stop of,
say, 3% and increase the trailing stop to, say 5% when the stock reaches, say, 110% of your purchase price.

Thanks,

Harold

 
- --=====================_89295049==_.ALT-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:11:18 -0500 From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C30265.CF2867B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0140_01C30265.CF2867B0" - ------=_NextPart_001_0140_01C30265.CF2867B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are comments from an article I authored: President Bush has stirred up a maelstrom of debate. No, not whether or not the double taxation of dividends is fair, or which societal class will benefit most, but how much money will be sucked out of the bond market and reallocated into dividend paying stocks. If your financial advisor suggests to liquidate your bond portfolio to purchase dividend paying stocks to take advantage of tax-free income, gather all your assets and run for the exit. The difference between a bond and a stock is much more than an interest rate or dividend yield. Interest is not a dividend and dividends are not interest. The IRS in their wisdom even categorizes these payments differently. While they both are reported on Schedule B in tax returns, bond investors generally receive a 1099-INT for interest payments where common stock holders receive a 1099-DIV for dividend payments. A bond is a loan made by investors to a corporation, the U.S. Government, or a municipality in which that entity is obligated to pay interest at a stated rate and pay back principle at a stated time. Conversely, common stock provides ownership of a corporation. Dividends are a promise made by a corporate Board of Directors to pay shareholders a specific amount of money for each share of stock held. For example, a 10-year Treasury bond may pay a current yield of 3.85%. A $100,000 purchase of the 10-year bond will create $3,850 of interest payment every year for 10 years. At the end of the 10-year period, the investor will receive back $100,000 of principle payment. A common stock whose price is $40 and pays a dividend of $1.54 has a dividend yield of 3.85%. The dividend yield is calculated by dividing the dividend by the stock price. A $100,000 purchase would involve 2,500 shares and create $3,850 of dividends per year. At the end of a 10-year period, no one can know where the stock price will be. This wherein lies the problem with the debate on just how much money will shift from bonds to dividend paying stocks. Bonds and stocks represent a completely different risk-reward scenario. While today many wish this were true, common stocks do not pay back principle at a stated time in the future. The reallocation debate requires one to disregard an important risk; Market Risk. The one lesson most investors hopefully learned is that market risk is not to be ignored. Three consecutive years of declines, a dubious performance not seen in over 60 years, may provide an enticing argument to invest in dividend paying equities. Besides how much worse can the stock market get? With interest rates so low, why not take advantage of yield and possible growth. Popular pundits will discuss how the risk reward scenario should be in favor of equities. Don't be fooled. One item I am confident of. Wall Street investment firms are very imaginative and resourceful. Should President Bush's proposed tax cut on dividends become law, look for these firms to create investment vehicles to generate badly needed underwriting fees. For the near future, don't be seduced to sell your bonds in anticipation of buying dividend paying stocks. Make sure recommended transactions will benefit you and not your broker's pocketbook or wallet. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ted Kozek Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:40 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends Would someone like to comment on the effect tax free dividends will have on corporate, treasury any municipal bond rates - ------=_NextPart_001_0140_01C30265.CF2867B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here are comments from an article = I authored:

 

President Bush has stirred up a maelstrom of debate.  No, = not whether or not the double taxation of dividends is fair, or which societal class = will benefit most, but how much money will be sucked out of the bond market = and reallocated into dividend paying stocks.  If your financial advisor suggests to = liquidate your bond portfolio to purchase dividend paying stocks to take advantage = of tax-free income, gather all your assets and run for the exit. =

 

The difference between a bond and a stock is much more than an = interest rate or dividend yield.  Interest is not a dividend and dividends = are not interest.  The IRS in their wisdom even categorizes these payments differently. = While they both are reported on Schedule B in tax returns, bond investors generally = receive a 1099-INT for interest payments where common stock holders receive a = 1099-DIV for dividend payments.

 

A bond is a loan made by investors to a corporation, the U.S. Government, or a municipality in which that entity is obligated to pay = interest at a stated rate and pay back principle at a stated time.  = Conversely, common stock provides ownership of a corporation.  Dividends are a promise = made by a corporate Board of Directors to pay shareholders a specific amount of = money for each share of stock held. 

 

For example, a 10-year Treasury bond may pay a current yield of = 3.85%.  A $100,000 purchase of the 10-year bond will create $3,850 of interest = payment every year for 10 years.  At the end of the 10-year period, the = investor will receive back $100,000 of principle payment.

 

A common stock whose price is $40 and pays a dividend of $1.54 = has a dividend yield of 3.85%.  The dividend yield is calculated by = dividing the dividend by the stock price. A $100,000 purchase would involve 2,500 = shares and create $3,850 of dividends per year.  At the end of a 10-year = period, no one can know where the stock price will be.

 

This wherein lies the problem with the debate on just how much = money will shift from bonds to dividend paying stocks.  Bonds and stocks = represent a completely different risk-reward scenario.  While today many wish this were = true, common stocks do not pay back principle at a stated time in the future.  =

 

The reallocation debate requires one to disregard an important = risk; Market Risk.  The one lesson most investors hopefully learned is = that market risk is not to be ignored.  Three consecutive years of declines, a = dubious performance not seen in over 60 years, may provide an enticing argument to invest in dividend paying equities. Besides how much worse can the stock market = get?  With interest rates so low, why not take advantage of yield and possible = growth.  Popular pundits will discuss how the risk reward scenario should be in = favor of equities.  Don’t be fooled. 

 

One item I am confident of.  Wall Street investment firms = are very imaginative and resourceful.  Should President Bush’s = proposed tax cut on dividends become law, look for these firms to create investment vehicles = to generate badly needed underwriting fees. For the near future, don’t be = seduced to sell your bonds in anticipation of buying dividend paying stocks.  = Make sure recommended transactions will benefit you and not your broker’s pocketbook or = wallet.

 

 

 

Ed Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 10, = 2003 9:40 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
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Would someone like to comment on the effect = tax free dividends will have on corporate, treasury any municipal bond = rates

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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:17:35 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C3026F.11D51AF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00BC_01C3026F.11D51AF0" - ------=_NextPart_001_00BC_01C3026F.11D51AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, the only point on which I might disagree is using "IRS" and "wisdom" = in the same sentence, seems like an oxymoron to me. "IRS in their wisdom" - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends Here are comments from an article I authored: President Bush has stirred up a maelstrom of debate. No, not whether or = not the double taxation of dividends is fair, or which societal class = will benefit most, but how much money will be sucked out of the bond = market and reallocated into dividend paying stocks. If your financial = advisor suggests to liquidate your bond portfolio to purchase dividend = paying stocks to take advantage of tax-free income, gather all your = assets and run for the exit.=20 The difference between a bond and a stock is much more than an interest = rate or dividend yield. Interest is not a dividend and dividends are = not interest. The IRS in their wisdom even categorizes these payments = differently. While they both are reported on Schedule B in tax returns, = bond investors generally receive a 1099-INT for interest payments where = common stock holders receive a 1099-DIV for dividend payments. A bond is a loan made by investors to a corporation, the U.S. = Government, or a municipality in which that entity is obligated to pay = interest at a stated rate and pay back principle at a stated time. = Conversely, common stock provides ownership of a corporation. Dividends = are a promise made by a corporate Board of Directors to pay shareholders = a specific amount of money for each share of stock held. =20 For example, a 10-year Treasury bond may pay a current yield of 3.85%. = A $100,000 purchase of the 10-year bond will create $3,850 of interest = payment every year for 10 years. At the end of the 10-year period, the = investor will receive back $100,000 of principle payment. A common stock whose price is $40 and pays a dividend of $1.54 has a = dividend yield of 3.85%. The dividend yield is calculated by dividing = the dividend by the stock price. A $100,000 purchase would involve 2,500 = shares and create $3,850 of dividends per year. At the end of a 10-year = period, no one can know where the stock price will be. This wherein lies the problem with the debate on just how much money = will shift from bonds to dividend paying stocks. Bonds and stocks = represent a completely different risk-reward scenario. While today many = wish this were true, common stocks do not pay back principle at a stated = time in the future. =20 The reallocation debate requires one to disregard an important risk; = Market Risk. The one lesson most investors hopefully learned is that = market risk is not to be ignored. Three consecutive years of declines, = a dubious performance not seen in over 60 years, may provide an enticing = argument to invest in dividend paying equities. Besides how much worse = can the stock market get? With interest rates so low, why not take = advantage of yield and possible growth. Popular pundits will discuss = how the risk reward scenario should be in favor of equities. Don't be = fooled. =20 One item I am confident of. Wall Street investment firms are very = imaginative and resourceful. Should President Bush's proposed tax cut = on dividends become law, look for these firms to create investment = vehicles to generate badly needed underwriting fees. For the near = future, don't be seduced to sell your bonds in anticipation of buying = dividend paying stocks. Make sure recommended transactions will benefit = you and not your broker's pocketbook or wallet. Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, = is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain = confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, = disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended = recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all = copies of the original message. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ted Kozek Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:40 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends Would someone like to comment on the effect tax free dividends will have = on corporate, treasury any municipal bond rates - ------=_NextPart_001_00BC_01C3026F.11D51AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, the only point on which I might disagree is = using=20 "IRS" and "wisdom" in the same sentence, seems like an oxymoron to=20 me.
 
"IRS in their wisdom"
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Edward W. = Gjertsen=20 II
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tax Free Dividends

Here are comments from an article = I=20 authored:

 

President Bush has stirred up a maelstrom of=20 debate.  No, not whether or not the double taxation of dividends is = fair,=20 or which societal class will benefit most, but how much money will be = sucked out=20 of the bond market and reallocated into dividend paying stocks.  If = your=20 financial advisor suggests to liquidate your bond portfolio to purchase = dividend=20 paying stocks to take advantage of tax-free income, gather all your = assets and=20 run for the exit.

 

The difference between a bond and a stock is = much more=20 than an interest rate or dividend yield.  Interest is not a = dividend and=20 dividends are not interest.  The IRS in their wisdom even = categorizes these=20 payments differently. While they both are reported on Schedule B in tax = returns,=20 bond investors generally receive a 1099-INT for interest payments where = common=20 stock holders receive a 1099-DIV for dividend = payments.

 

A bond is a loan made by investors to a = corporation, the=20 U.S. Government, or a municipality in which that entity is obligated to = pay=20 interest at a stated rate and pay back principle at a stated time.  = Conversely, common stock provides ownership of a corporation.  = Dividends=20 are a promise made by a corporate Board of Directors to pay shareholders = a=20 specific amount of money for each share of stock held.  =

 

For example, a 10-year Treasury bond may pay a = current=20 yield of 3.85%.  A $100,000 purchase of the 10-year bond will = create $3,850=20 of interest payment every year for 10 years.  At the end of the = 10-year=20 period, the investor will receive back $100,000 of principle=20 payment.

 

A common stock whose price is $40 and pays a = dividend of=20 $1.54 has a dividend yield of 3.85%.  The dividend yield is = calculated by=20 dividing the dividend by the stock price. A $100,000 purchase would = involve=20 2,500 shares and create $3,850 of dividends per year.  At the end = of a=20 10-year period, no one can know where the stock price will = be.

 

This wherein lies the problem with the debate = on just=20 how much money will shift from bonds to dividend paying stocks.  = Bonds and=20 stocks represent a completely different risk-reward scenario.  = While today=20 many wish this were true, common stocks do not pay back principle at a = stated=20 time in the future. 

 

The reallocation debate requires one to = disregard an=20 important risk; Market Risk.  The one lesson most investors = hopefully=20 learned is that market risk is not to be ignored.  Three = consecutive years=20 of declines, a dubious performance not seen in over 60 years, may = provide an=20 enticing argument to invest in dividend paying equities. Besides how = much worse=20 can the stock market get?  With interest rates so low, why not take = advantage of yield and possible growth.  Popular pundits will = discuss how=20 the risk reward scenario should be in favor of equities.  Don=92t = be=20 fooled. 

 

One item I am confident of.  Wall Street = investment=20 firms are very imaginative and resourceful.  Should President = Bush=92s=20 proposed tax cut on dividends become law, look for these firms to create = investment vehicles to generate badly needed underwriting fees. For the = near=20 future, don=92t be seduced to sell your bonds in anticipation of buying = dividend=20 paying stocks.  Make sure recommended transactions will benefit you = and not=20 your broker=92s pocketbook or wallet.

 

 

 

Ed Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com

 

 

Confidentiality Notice: This = e-mail=20 message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended=20 recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged = information.  Any=20 unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is = prohibited.  If you=20 are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply = e-mail and=20 destroy all copies of the original = message.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Ted = Kozek
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 = 9:40=20 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tax Free=20 Dividends

 

Would someone like to comment = on the effect=20 tax free dividends will have on corporate, treasury any municipal bond=20 rates

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