From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3283 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3283 In this issue: [CANSLIM] market bottom Re: [CANSLIM] Read on EDMC RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Re: [CANSLIM] "M" - the trend RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:35:17 -0400 From: Roger Tawa Subject: [CANSLIM] market bottom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_2jG6bbg1OqAZd8/DweNfdQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I'm studying lesson 14 in WON's 24 essential lessons, and I have a question about the first day of any attempted rally. On page 78, WON says that oct 8th represents the start of a new rally. However, this day's volume is down quite a bit from the previous day. Does this mean that a rally can start when an index is up 1% or more, regardless of volume? Is it only a follow through day that needs to be up 1% or more *and* have increased volume? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Read on EDMC Tom, Thanks for your feedback. I appreciated it very much. tomas - --- Tom Worley wrote: > Tomas, > > I see the left rim of the cup forming (a thick rim) > from 9/30/02 thru > 10/21/02 (and use the latter date as the "edge" of > the rim for determining a > current pivot). So current action looks to me to be > building the handle and > worth watching. > > On the fundies, I note that year over year they look > good, but make most of > their money in only two out of four quarters. One > "strong qtr" is already > reported, and the other is done and should be > reported soon, so I don't see > what will drive it higher for the next six months or > so. I also note 36% > ownership by mutual funds already, so not much room > left for them to add > more and drive it higher, more room for them to > become major sellers if the > earnings fail expectations both present and future. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: "canslim canslim" > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:26 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Read on EDMC > > > Hi everyone, > > What do yall think of EDMC and its price action? > Looking at the graph, would you consider a cup and > handle formation from beginning of Jan 2003 to mid > March? (left side of cup at about 1/6, right side > at > about 2/5 and BO at 3/21). Or from mid Oct of 2002 > til now is a big cup? > > Depending what formation you can consider, today's > big > volume could be a entry point(later formation) or > the > price is extended (first formation). > > Did I interpret it semi-right, or am I total off? > > tomas > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:12:11 -0500 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C30D5D.DEDE8330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, The beginning of an "attempted" rally is simply a close up from the prior day. Volume isn't a concern, because all you are looking for in a day like this is the ability of the index to close on an "up note" after a string of down days. Once that attempted rally starts, you are *then* in the 3rd through 10th day following that first attempted "up" day, you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day (the FTD) . That "confirms" that the first day of the attempted rally (regardless of the volume) wasn't a fluke, but the beginning of a new underlying trend/direction for the index. See also http://www.market-tester.com/newft.htm for Bill Lee's explanation of the attempted rally/follow through day. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:35 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] market bottom > > Hi all, > > I'm studying lesson 14 in WON's 24 essential lessons, and I have a > question about the first day of any attempted rally. > > On page 78, WON says that oct 8th represents the start of a new rally. > However, this day's volume is down quite a bit from the previous day. > Does this mean that a rally can start when an index is up 1% or more, > regardless of volume? Is it only a follow through day that needs to be up > 1% or more *and* have increased volume? Thanks. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C30D5D.DEDE8330 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IgsNAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANMHBAAcAAkADAAAAAEAEAEB A5AGAJAJAAAkAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAHgBwAAEAAAAOAAAAbWFya2V0IGJvdHRvbQAAAAIBcQABAAAAGwAAAAHDDS7OLcFYDRGaW0TY lzSaOjclpK8AFgzFgAACAR0MAQAAABkAAABTTVRQOktNQUxNQEVBUlRITElOSy5ORVQAAAAACwAB DgAAAABAAAYOAPhkIpANwwECAQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAAX0odaOc1T0CNMwGQn69VMcKAAAALAB8O AQAAAAIBCRABAAAAQAUAADwFAACNCAAATFpGdeJ+1t0DAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM/kO xmZlD0IB9wKkA2MCAARjaArAc2V0MCAfB20CgwBQA9QCAHBycX8OUBG4BxMCgxRhE88SBGE2aANx AoB9CoAIyCA7LQlvMAKACoF2CJB3a2kLgGQ0DGBjAFALA2NDE4ILwzQgSGkH8WcdBJAsCqIKhAqA VGhlcCBiZWcLgAMADyAgSG9mIAORImECQGVGbQUwCYAiIHIHQGx0eSAEACAAkB8AH6FhDCBjCQAS ACB1cCBZA1IgdB2BFDBpBbFkoGF5LiBWBvB1B4C5H8FuJwVAIHECIGMEkWIsHaFjYXUgwR+BIK55 CGAecBjQIAkAbxpxfx4wAhAFwAuAIGEiESUQaf5rHZAhcB/RH9EhcgGgAxA8aXQfsB5RIXIagWV4 PSFgbyCFAiAecyDxbm87HuAfUGEBgASQIGFzdGMFEB4kZG93A6AiEXP9IkBPI3EhYR7AHnAe1h9l syrgCsB0cyPAJKYqIXHsbiol0iFyMwsgIWEDYPB1Z2ggD0AhcCYjAhDPH5ArkB4SLINmaRHwLLr/ KcEfUCIRLjglGwORIPEmMsEpYTEtMiUgBGAk8Z52InQsgQOgIbcgKCFy4EZURCkgIkAdcCyh5iIj UTHxbXMfUCx0IXKvMfQ1QygULN4oGNBnCxE+bAeQBCAoBTZUODB3Ydsi5Q7wdSaQI8F1ObQdvOsp 8AfRdSiBch+gMWMY0NkakC9kMgAFkHQh0AOguyWiKDcuHLoGYCRCcyjggmgCQHA6Ly93RNDKLgDA ciaQdC0e4CrgZQSQLgWgbS9AQQGALrdEYCFQJaJCAxADIEwJ4O4nBCAooAtRbh7AQfI6v70fcy8x BC/nIhIcuksewDs/ICsBZRy6CvQmcDM2/wFAG2ABQBQwKhFB0BNxNAAPTYAPExvwFaQxNiAtfVAS TwUQHdEHQAXQPKFhfxxwUBMctk5EThELE05GaTAtMTQ0AUAmcDE4bjABQAzQU7NiN/ADYTq7AzAM kmISMCuRBJAtJABzAIAmcG1AJnAq4CwAeM5tBAFB8UXiIFsAwAMQ7SjQOlXvVv1dCuMKgVTgawZg AjA6VWZTQIEzUkFzIbEDIDI3I8AB0A9QIIA4OjM1IFBNWpcGVFhQVWZDQU5TTGZJXchb8GJqQcFb Z1u/XxVacEUUHaAqECjQbUx8/1I/TnJNlgBQDwcTgwHQHBLLH4Ecq0kAEHF1KhE18Pkq0XVkQOM8 kjWCHAAl4fhXT05npgQgG/E8oVsxXwcxaMUuIQBwLVBJRFBh+nYkQSBnwEWRQfIBoAhg/zm/HmIg USzsQwssMCGgUTH4IDc4I8BpoR/wK+EsdOZvQdBdUFxzIPAqkSFwvlwqAHKjcqBU4B9gZRQwfweQ WzEnJC3TP+hvhDQASP0rkGVsUByQJrQiEWnYNlX/dwIrkmfAJ8BsYieQMdEhOI92gCHQJCAiBCBE bweRfybDB4ADkSyEH2VY0XTVd98u8R5yKHQf0SDxMTXgBbGvNgIjwDw8NlQ/NABJJvH9ciFuIENJ /x+wLINAQAmA/ychKOAdsH6cLsBU0WvRVaL/LyBsMwuABQB74BIALVCAdzk4cW5rLABMe08GID3/ iR+KL4scHLQcUxdBPdActL9EZQGQPdAjgAIwH3EuQED0dC8ctFssMCajHiFtNLUKsWFBkGc5MFVA cybQmwGAbCFwcsAAgC5djvVOV32iJKIq4G9wLjMnfyTxK4BAQJHmZUgcwxfRAAGVwB4AQhABAAAA NAAAADxQQ0VITEtLREtNTkhOUExPRkdHTEFFQ01DRkFBLnJvZ2VydGFAdmlkZW90cm9uLmNhPgAL AAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMAA4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCF AAAAAAAAAwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAAH1uAQAeAAmACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAA RgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA5LjAACwANgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAgoUAAAEAAAALADqA CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAPIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAA AAAAAwA9gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAAAAALAFKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AAAGhQAAAAAAAAMAU4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAAgH4DwEAAAAQAAAAX0od aOc1T0CNMwGQn69VMQIB+g8BAAAAEAAAAF9KHWjnNU9AjTMBkJ+vVTECAfsPAQAAALIAAAAAAAAA OKG7EAXlEBqhuwgAKypWwgAAUFNUUFJYLkRMTAAAAAAAAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4AAABDOlxE b2N1bWVudHMgYW5kIFNldHRpbmdzXEthdGhlcmluZSBNYWxtXExvY2FsIFNldHRpbmdzXEFwcGxp Y2F0aW9uIERhdGFcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tcb3V0bG9vay5w c3QAAAADAP4PBQAAAAMADTT9NwAAAgF/AAEAAAAzAAAAPEVQRUFJTkRERk9OS0lDTUhMQ0FFRUVO RkNMQUEua21hbG1AZWFydGhsaW5rLm5ldD4AAAMABhBIEceeAwAHEO4EAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAD AAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASElST0dFUixUSEVCRUdJTk5JTkdPRkFOIkFUVEVNUFRFRCJSQUxMWUlT U0lNUExZQUNMT1NFVVBGUk9NVEhFUFJJT1JEQVlWT0xVTUVJU05UQUNPTkNFUk4sQkVDQVVTRUFM TAAAAADHkQ== - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C30D5D.DEDE8330-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:41:42 -0700 From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" - the trend Hi Harold and Rolf: My 'mining' technique is actually very, very simple, although it does take up a lot of time during earnings season. I manually look through every reporting companies earnings data within IBD's daily 'Earnings Ups' section. (During the peak of earnings season, there can be up to 340 entries a day. Perhaps the average is about 100.) I have found this to be the most comrehensive list of reporting companies - including all the nanocaps that might just be starting a great earnings trend. I am looking for traditional CANSLIM fundamental criteria - high revenue growth, higher EPS growth and good margins. I can then follow up on these by reading individual company press releases to see if the stated outlook warrants continued optimism. Then I can look at basic price-volume charts to see strength, and resistance/support levels. Although I personally filter against excessive high valuations, I wouldn't worry about it as much if we were in a powerful secular bull market. But apart from that, I don't worry about price or volume or market cap. I do like to see RS of 60 or better starting out, (60 is all I need, as often it takes very little movement for a nanocap to jump from 60 to 80+). I put all of my interesting tickers into an alert system that primarily is looking for a big jump in average daily volume. When I get an alert, I re-examine the chart to see if there is a sustained (4 days seems to be enough) jump in ADV, and/or moves through resistance levels. Hope this helps. Cheers, Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Josephson To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "M" - the trend > Hi Ian, > > Would you consider sharing how you mine for the small caps? > > Thanks, > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" - the trend > > Hi all: > > I'll add a couple of more 'M' trends - strictly personal observations: > > 1. Revenues are weak this quarter, in spite of generally solid earnings. > I > use daily IBD earnings reports as the basis of assembling a stock > universe, > and one of my key criterias is 20%+ revenue growth. I am finding fewer > qualified candidates this quarter than I have in a long time, in spite > of > the abundance of great EPS growth. > > 2. The nanocap and microcap CANSLIM candidates that I follow really seem > to > be the flavour du jour of this market. I have seen many huge runs over > the > last 6 weeks. > > 3. IBD's own recent publication of the 'IBD 100' confirms my personal > belief > that WON"s volume and price minimums are arbitrary, and in fact are an > obstacle to low-risk market-beating returns. The IBD 100 is chock full > of > stocks that started showing great revenue and EPS growth while the share > price was still in the single digits, and ADV was low. > > Some examples of stocks that first made my personal radar screen as > single-digit midgets over the past few years (I'd wager that many of the > other issues that I do not follow, started from similar humble > beginnings): > > (The Number is IBD's ranking in the IBD 100) > > 1. HITK - Was a nanocap when great earnings started hitting in the > spring of > '01. Volume was non-existant. The most recent 400% surge started last > September as HITK saw a quantum gap up in ADV. > 4. SSYS - Was a low single digit 'invisible' stock just 6 months ago. > 9. TARO - I believe it was $8 pre-split, when I first noticed their > great > earnings in the summer of 2000 > 11. BCGI - was in the sinlge digits just last fall. > 12. GSOF - a $7 no-volume stock when it broke out last September on > great > EPS growth. > 20. QSII - I remember trading it from $10 in the summer of '01 > 21. CEDC - Tom can attest to the fact that I sent him an email in > real-time > when it broke out on volume at $5.20 in July '01. CEDC was so illiquid > at > the time that I would have risk being laughed off of the list just for > bringing it up. > 29. JOSB - Nifty little clothier had a qunatum volume jump early last > year > when it was at $8 > 85. USNA - A dubious industry kept me away - but great earnings > kick-started > volume from just $2 early last year. I'm still kicking myself on this > one, > as I was watching the ticker as it jumped to $3 in a heartbeat. It > exhibited > the same kind of tremendous ' never look back' characterstic that WON > always > expects from winners - even from $2! > 88. JCOM - The quantum change in volume hit just 1 year ago, at $7. > > > Cheers, > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: CANSLIM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:05 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" - the trend > > > > worth noting that virtually every index still looks alike, but now are > all > > in a several week uptrend. In each case, they moved above on today's > > trading, on above average volume, both of the recent high spikes of > 3/21 > and > > 4/7, and are approaching the calendar year highs set back in mid > January. > > > > RS lines are trending up, as are the 50 dma. The 200 dma appears to be > > bottoming, a continuation of the short term trend will also have this > line > > trending up. The increase in trading volume is likewise significant to > me, > > as I believe a large amount of cash has been, and continues to be, on > the > > sidelines. I also suspect a lot of buying power is still tied up in > short > > positions. > > > > Earnings reports so far appear to be muted, most meeting lowered > > expectations, which suggests to me the "real expectations" were far > worse. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@bellsouth.net > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:25:58 -0400 From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_7EGZFdc2KNqvk+mpgvMPmA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Katherine, Thanks for the explanation. Below when you say "you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day" about the FTD, you mean the price should be up 1-2% and volume should be up (no percent requirement). Is that correct? On a related note, while looking at the recent bottom we had in March, I noticed something curious (at least to me anyway). I was using yahoo finance to look at charts for the DOW Jones Industrial (^DJI), S&P 500 (^SPX) and NASDAQ composite (^IXIC). What was curious was that the daily and weekly volume for the ^DJI and ^SPX were identical. Exactly. After a few email exchanges with yahoo and csi data (who provide the historical information to yahoo), I discovered that csi does not provide index volume. They either provided total NASDAQ composite volume or total NYSE volume, depending on the index. ^DJI and ^SPX seem to use total NYSE volume, while ^IXIC seems to use NASDAQ composite volume. Does this mean that csi data is invalid for looking for DDs or FTDs? I'm not sure what csi is doing is what WON intended when he explains how to look them. Thoughts anyone? So this could mean that anyone using csi data to look for DDs or FTDs may need to be wary of the results. This might explain why Bill Lee states himself on his market-tester website that his tool seems to work better for the NASDAQ then the rest. - ---start email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM)] Close Print Date Tue, 25 March 2003 11:14:04am From Ron Franz To rogerta@ureach.com Thanks for you email. The reason for the same volume is we only provide the NYSE volume for these index. We do not at this time provide the index volume. > Subject: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:09:57 -0500 > From: Roger Tawa > To: marketing@csidata.com > > hi there, > > i am considering a subscription to your "us stock and indices" service for > personal and private use. however, while using yahoo finance, i encoutered > some problems which they claim originate with you (please see email thread > below). > > can you confirm or deny this problem? are there any specific issues or > limitations with indices? > > thank you. > > Roger Tawa > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > ---- Yahoo!Finance finance-admin@yahoo-inc.com wrote ---- > > > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:25:44 -0800 > > To: Roger Tawa > > Subject: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > > From: Yahoo!Finance > > Reply-To: Yahoo!Finance > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Finance. > > > > This data is provided and maintained by CSI Data. We have brought this > > problem to their attention. CSI Data will verify the record and make any > > necessary changes (after which Yahoo! will be sent the updated > > information). > > > > > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Yahoo! Customer Care > > > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows: > > ------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! ID: sherritawa > > > > Subject: Inaccurate Data > > > > Ticker Symbol: ^spx > > > > Company Name: > > > > Type your feedback here: > > hi there, > > > > i am using the historical prices > > feature of yahoo finance. i noticed > > that for two indices, ^SPX and ^DJI, > > the daily volume is exactly the same. > > > > this is a little strange since these > > two indices are not the same. note > > that the price information is not the > > same, and seems to be correct. > > > > is there a problem with the volume data > > for indices? thanks. > > > > > > While Viewing: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/fin/quote/quote-05.html > > > > Yahoo ID: sherritawa : no amt link > > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; T312461) > > REMOTE_ADDR: 24.200.68.166 > > REMOTE_HOST: unknown > > Date Originated: Friday March 21, 2003 - 17:24:20 > > ------- > > > > - ---end email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:12 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Roger, The beginning of an "attempted" rally is simply a close up from the prior day. Volume isn't a concern, because all you are looking for in a day like this is the ability of the index to close on an "up note" after a string of down days. Once that attempted rally starts, you are *then* in the 3rd through 10th day following that first attempted "up" day, you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day (the FTD) . That "confirms" that the first day of the attempted rally (regardless of the volume) wasn't a fluke, but the beginning of a new underlying trend/direction for the index. See also http://www.market-tester.com/newft.htm for Bill Lee's explanation of the attempted rally/follow through day. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:35 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi all, I'm studying lesson 14 in WON's 24 essential lessons, and I have a question about the first day of any attempted rally. On page 78, WON says that oct 8th represents the start of a new rally. However, this day's volume is down quite a bit from the previous day. Does this mean that a rally can start when an index is up 1% or more, regardless of volume? Is it only a follow through day that needs to be up 1% or more *and* have increased volume? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:39:15 -0500 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C30E2A.D0DEBF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger, Thanks for pointing that out... careless editing on my part and you are correct. The FTD looks for a day where price is up 1-2% on volume higher than the previous day (and on volume >= 50 day avg daily volume for the index). In other words, a FTD is an "accumulation" day with particular % increase in price. O'Neil states that a FTD can occur on any of the major indexes. My understanding from talking with Bill Lee is that after doing extensive backtesting on the O'Neil signals (in and out of the market), that the signals were far more reliable on the NASDAQ than on other indexes. He also concluded from that same backtesting that the original definition of a FTD (1% vs. 2%) was a better signal. I see a macro level signal like this to be somewhat secondary to the action in the individual stocks, so I don't think the distinctions are particularly troublesome. Katherine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:26 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom > > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for the explanation. Below when you say "you are looking for an up > day on 1-2% more volume than prior day" about the FTD, you mean the price > should be up 1-2% and volume should be up (no percent requirement). Is > that correct? > > On a related note, while looking at the recent bottom we had in March, I > noticed something curious (at least to me anyway). I was using yahoo > finance to look at charts for the DOW Jones Industrial (^DJI), S&P 500 > (^SPX) and NASDAQ composite (^IXIC). What was curious was that the daily > and weekly volume for the ^DJI and ^SPX were identical. Exactly. > > After a few email exchanges with yahoo and csi data (who provide the > historical information to yahoo), I discovered that csi does not provide > index volume. They either provided total NASDAQ composite volume or total > NYSE volume, depending on the index. ^DJI and ^SPX seem to use total NYSE > volume, while ^IXIC seems to use NASDAQ composite volume. > > Does this mean that csi data is invalid for looking for DDs or FTDs? I'm > not sure what csi is doing is what WON intended when he explains how to > look them. Thoughts anyone? > > So this could mean that anyone using csi data to look for DDs or FTDs may > need to be wary of the results. This might explain why Bill Lee states > himself on his market-tester website that his tool seems to work better > for the NASDAQ then the rest. > > ---start email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data > (KMM6629457V53884L0KM)] Close Print > Date Tue, 25 March 2003 11:14:04am > From Ron Franz > To rogerta@ureach.com > > > Thanks for you email. > The reason for the same volume is we only provide the NYSE volume for > these > index. We do not at this time provide the index volume. > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:09:57 -0500 > > From: Roger Tawa > > To: marketing@csidata.com > > > > hi there, > > > > i am considering a subscription to your "us stock and indices" service > for > > personal and private use. however, while using yahoo finance, i > encoutered > > some problems which they claim originate with you (please see email > thread > > below). > > > > can you confirm or deny this problem? are there any specific issues or > > limitations with indices? > > > > thank you. > > > > Roger Tawa > > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Get your own "800" number > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > ---- Yahoo!Finance finance-admin@yahoo-inc.com wrote ---- > > > > > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:25:44 -0800 > > > To: Roger Tawa > > > Subject: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > > > From: Yahoo!Finance > > > Reply-To: Yahoo!Finance > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Finance. > > > > > > This data is provided and maintained by CSI Data. We have brought this > > > problem to their attention. CSI Data will verify the record and make > any > > > necessary changes (after which Yahoo! will be sent the updated > > > information). > > > > > > > > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Yahoo! Customer Care > > > > > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: > > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows: > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Yahoo! ID: sherritawa > > > > > > Subject: Inaccurate Data > > > > > > Ticker Symbol: ^spx > > > > > > Company Name: > > > > > > Type your feedback here: > > > hi there, > > > > > > i am using the historical prices > > > feature of yahoo finance. i noticed > > > that for two indices, ^SPX and ^DJI, > > > the daily volume is exactly the same. > > > > > > this is a little strange since these > > > two indices are not the same. note > > > that the price information is not the > > > same, and seems to be correct. > > > > > > is there a problem with the volume data > > > for indices? thanks. > > > > > > > > > While Viewing: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/fin/quote/quote-05.html > > > > > > Yahoo ID: sherritawa : no amt link > > > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; T312461) > > > REMOTE_ADDR: 24.200.68.166 > > > REMOTE_HOST: unknown > > > Date Originated: Friday March 21, 2003 - 17:24:20 > > > ------- > > > > > > > > ---end email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:12 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom > > Hi Roger, > > The beginning of an "attempted" rally is simply a close up > from the prior day. Volume isn't a concern, because all you are looking > for in a day like this is the ability of the index to close on an "up > note" after a string of down days. Once that attempted rally starts, you > are *then* in the 3rd through 10th day following that first attempted "up" > day, you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day > (the FTD) . That "confirms" that the first day of the attempted rally > (regardless of the volume) wasn't a fluke, but the beginning of a new > underlying trend/direction for the index. > > See also http://www.market-tester.com/newft.htm for Bill > Lee's explanation of the attempted rally/follow through day. > > Katherine > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:35 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] market bottom > > Hi all, > > I'm studying lesson 14 in WON's 24 essential > lessons, and I have a question about the first day of any attempted rally. > > On page 78, WON says that oct 8th represents the > start of a new rally. However, this day's volume is down quite a bit from > the previous day. Does this mean that a rally can start when an index is > up 1% or more, regardless of volume? Is it only a follow through day that > needs to be up 1% or more *and* have increased volume? Thanks. > > ================================================= > Roger Tawa > http://tawacentral.net/ > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > [When you stop, you're done.] > - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C30E2A.D0DEBF20 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+Ig8NAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANMHBAAdAAkAJwAAAAIALQEB A5AGAGAWAAAkAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAHgBwAAEAAAAOAAAAbWFya2V0IGJvdHRvbQAAAAIBcQABAAAAJQAAAAHDDS7OLcFYDRGaW0TY lzSaOjclpK8AFgzFgAAU3n4gAB47KRAAAAACAR0MAQAAABkAAABTTVRQOktNQUxNQEVBUlRITElO Sy5ORVQAAAAACwABDgAAAABAAAYOABpnEl0OwwECAQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAAX0odaOc1T0CNMwGQ n69VMcKAAAALAB8OAQAAAAIBCRABAAAAAxIAAP8RAAD1JAAATFpGddKK2NsDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYy APgLYG4OEDAzM/kOxmZlD0IB9wKkA2MCAARjaArAc2V0MCAfB20CgwBQA9QCAHBycX8OUBG4BxMC 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