From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3474 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Wednesday, August 6 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3474 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] filter RE: NWRE (was [CANSLIM] Hi, ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:42:02 -0500 From: "Gene Ricci" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35C31.4815D890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine, Good set of questions... luckily I asked myself those same = questions when VectorVest released their new software last November... = here's part of a message that I sent just yesterday... highlighting the = need to focus.=20 "Here's a good case for focusing on software. Fred determined what = he needed to match his investment needs.... he learned to focus.... At = one time I also had DGO, IBD, WizeTrade and HGSI/QP2 along with = VectorVest. Luckily I also learned to focus and decided to 'really = learn' VectorVest versus jumping from one software package to another. = Now I'm down to 'only' VV and the free tools at Schwab; Microsoft and = WallStreetCity... sure is cheaper !!!" I spent countless hours trying to rationalize the differences = between various data sources and IBD's numbers. Came to learn and = understand that it just didn't matter - if they were different - as long = as I was consistent and used the same database for my analysis. Found = that everyone's numbers are different.... took me a while to grasp the = fact that I was preparing a watchlist and not a buy list. As far as using free stuff, why not? I just wish that I had = started with the free stuff and really understood what they had to offer = rather than chasing the idea of finding the holy grail with software. Just sold (11.57 am) my MetaStock software because of the new = features in VectorVest's ProTrader module (charting program) and the = abundance of material at stockcharts.com.=20 Gene =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] filter Hi Gene, Please see my follow up clarification post on the comment on "the = prior 52 weeks." I did not state nor intend to imply that MSN screeners weren't = effective, but that they would not produce the same results as those you = would get when using DGO/IBD RSRanks. It's worth noting for those that = are unaware that the RS values at free screening sites such as MSN are = *not* the same as those from IBD/DGO. The same is true of industry = ranks, etc., as the methdologies are quite different. It does leave a particular question, however, as to why you would find = it necessary to use free MSN screeners when you use several different = subscription services (HGSI and Vectorvest) and also use Metastock for = screening (though I realize you probably use the QP2 data from the HGSI = feed). HGSI, in particular, closely mirrors the IBD/DGO RSranks and = includes EPS ranks as well. They also have a particularly comprehensive = set of tools for performing analysis of a stock's technicals and = fundamentals. Why use so many different tools?=20 Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter Hi Katherine, I'm pretty sure that the RS ranks are not based over = the prior 52 weeks. And, I have found the MSN screener to be very effective.=20 Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] filter Hi Jeff, I might add a note of caution on using the MSN screener. That is, = their RS ranks are based on a flat change in price over the prior 52 = weeks. This is significantly different than IBD's RS ranks, which are = weighted so that the price action in the most recent quarter carries = more weight (40%), while previous quarter's each carry 20% weight. The = other difference in RS ranks is that the database over which they are = determined is very different. RS ranks for the IBD are based on a = universe of stocks which includes *only* common stocks on the major US = (NASDAQ, NYSE, AMEX) and Canadian exchanges, plus closed end bond and = equity funds. From what I remember, MSN RS ranks are calculated across = all equities in the US markets, including warrants and preferreds. While = the RS ranks at MSN are indeed useful, you would not be emulating the = IBD rankings for purposes of filtering your stocks. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DMC197807 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:08 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter Jeff, If you're using a free scanner, why don't you use the one Gene = posted a couple of days ago (I'll repost his post) and play with the = criteria there. If I adjust relative strength to 80 or above it spits = out 15 names. As for CANSLIM criteria, after M one supposes they are all = important, and my descending order is no better (could be a lot worse) = than anyone else's. However, you are asking a question that I answered = 2 days ago, at least from my perspective. This is from my note on 8/4 = to Yien: <> DMC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Henderson=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] filter Sorry about the misunderstanding I was using the CANSLIM = acronym. I'll explain my filter again. First off I use MSN as my = filter source. Here is my filter that I use: current earnings per share = (the same quarter a year ago)>=3D70%, annual earnings per share over the = past 5 years, >=3D 24% compounded, shares outstanding<25,000,000, = relative strength> 80%. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of DMC197807 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:23 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter =20 Jeff, =20 I don't understand which filter/scan you are using, or what = all your variables mean. If you're using a public scan or stockcharts, = maybe you can put in a link here? =20 If C =3D capitalization and you are using only the top 30% of = stocks you've filtered out way too many stocks already. In = capitalization I only filter out the very top stocks, but that's just = me. I don't know what your S is. For relative strength I use the top = 40% of the market, that is, stocks outperforming 60%. =20 I'm willing to let some other names in because after this scan = gives me names, I'm happy to look through charts to find appropriate = patterns. =20 DMC =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Henderson=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] filter =20 After reading O'Neil's book I decided to use the filter = C>=3D70, A>=3D5, S<25,000,000, relative strength>80 and last volume 1.5 = average quarterly volume. To my dismay, no stocks popped up. How would = you alter this filter? - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35C31.4815D890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Katherine,
 
Good set of = questions... luckily I=20 asked myself those same questions when VectorVest released = their new=20 software last November... here's part of a message that = I sent=20 just yesterday... highlighting the need to focus.
 
"Here's=20 a good case for focusing on software. Fred determined what he = needed to=20 match his investment needs.... he learned to focus.... At one time = I also=20 had DGO, IBD, WizeTrade and HGSI/QP2 along with VectorVest. = Luckily I also=20 learned to focus and decided to 'really learn' = VectorVest versus=20 jumping from one software package to another. Now I'm down to = 'only' VV=20 and the free tools at Schwab; Microsoft and WallStreetCity... sure = is=20 cheaper !!!"
 
I spent = countless hours=20 trying to rationalize the differences between various data sources = and=20 IBD's numbers. Came to learn and understand that it = just didn't=20 matter - if they were different - as long as I was consistent and = used the=20 same database for my analysis.  Found that everyone's numbers = are=20 different.... took me a while to grasp the fact that I was = preparing a=20 watchlist and not a buy list.
 
As far as using free stuff, why = not? =20 I just wish that I had started with the free stuff and really = understood=20 what they had to offer rather than chasing the idea of finding the = holy=20 grail with software.
 
Just sold (11.57 am) my = MetaStock software=20 because of the new features in VectorVest's ProTrader module = (charting=20 program) and the abundance of material at = stockcharts.com.
 
Gene
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, = 2003 2:45=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = filter

Hi=20 Gene,
 
Please see my=20 follow up clarification post on the comment on "the prior 52=20 weeks."
 
I = did not state=20 nor intend to imply that MSN screeners weren't effective, but that = they would=20 not produce the same results as those you would get when using DGO/IBD = RSRanks. It's worth noting for those that are unaware that the RS = values at=20 free screening sites such as MSN are *not* the same as those from = IBD/DGO. The=20 same is true of industry ranks, etc., as the methdologies are quite=20 different.
 
It = does leave a=20 particular question, however, as to why you would find it necessary to = use=20 free MSN screeners when you use several different subscription = services (HGSI=20 and Vectorvest) and also use Metastock for screening (though I realize = you=20 probably use the QP2 data from the HGSI feed). HGSI, in particular, = closely=20 mirrors the IBD/DGO RSranks and includes EPS ranks as well. They also = have a=20 particularly comprehensive set of tools for performing analysis of a = stock's=20 technicals and fundamentals. Why use so many different tools?=20
 
Katherine
 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene=20 Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:31 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 filter

Hi Katherine, I'm pretty sure that = the RS=20 ranks are not based over the prior 52 weeks.
And, I have found the MSN screener = to be=20 very effective.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, = 2003 2:21=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = filter

Hi Jeff,
 
I might add a note of = caution on using=20 the MSN screener. That is, their RS ranks are based on a flat = change in=20 price over the prior 52 weeks. This is significantly different = than IBD's=20 RS ranks, which are weighted so that the price action in the most = recent=20 quarter carries more weight (40%), while previous quarter's each = carry 20%=20 weight. The other difference in RS ranks is that the database over = which=20 they are determined is very different. RS ranks for the IBD are = based on a=20 universe of stocks which includes *only* common stocks on the = major US=20 (NASDAQ, NYSE, AMEX) and Canadian exchanges, plus closed = end=20 bond and equity funds. From what I remember, MSN RS ranks are = calculated=20 across all equities in the US markets, including warrants and = preferreds.=20 While the RS ranks at MSN are indeed useful, you would not be = emulating=20 the IBD rankings for purposes of filtering your = stocks.
 
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 DMC197807
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:08=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] filter

Jeff,
 
If you're using a free scanner, = why don't=20 you use the one Gene posted a couple of days ago (I'll repost = his post)=20 and play with the criteria there.  If I adjust relative = strength to=20 80 or above it spits out 15 names.
 
As for CANSLIM criteria, after = M one=20 supposes they are all important, and my descending order is no = better=20 (could be a lot worse) than anyone else's.  However, you = are asking=20 a question that I answered 2 days ago, at least from my=20 perspective.  This is from my note on 8/4 to = Yien:
 
 
<<Good, that's a bunch of information that you can't=20 use.  Now, for some you
can.  There are only 3 = numbers=20 which matter, when all the dust is settled.
They are NOT p/e, = d/e,=20 current ratio, PEG, profit margin or = inventory
turnover.

THEY=20 ARE:  Price paid for shares, Price received for shares, = Time=20 held.

Now, MILSCAN (Canslim to some of you) is a very = interesting=20 approach, and
can possibly, with strong position and money = management=20 systems, help you to
buy low and sell high in a timely=20 timeframe.

Here's how I think of these factors, in = descending=20 order of importance:

<<M is for the market and the = market=20 trend.  We are at an inflection point
here, so it's = lookout=20 below, or perhaps lookout above.

N is for new highs in = the stock,=20 breaking out above the pivot point

L is for an relative = strength=20 rating of 70 or better

A is for annual earnings growth = (this is=20 for additional comfort)

C is for current quarterly = earnings (this=20 is for additional comfort)

I is for institutional=20 sponsorship  (this is a timing issue--I think I = trust
the chart=20 over this, for some reason)

S is for supply of stock = (looking for=20 a relatively low no. of shares--here I
want to exclude the=20 over-issued monsters like CSCO and INTC where it will
take a = ton of=20 momentum to move the billions of shares outstanding).

In = closing,=20 using TA and FA together is a good idea, but when in = conflict,
trust=20 the TA.  Remember, out of 7000 stocks we are looking for 1 = or 2=20 names
a week on which to carefully place our=20 hopes. >>
 
DMC
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jeff=20 Henderson
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, August = 06, 2003=20 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 filter

Sorry about=20 the misunderstanding I was using the CANSLIM acronym.  I=92ll explain my = filter=20 again.  First = off I use=20 MSN as my filter source.  Here is my filter = that I use:=20 current earnings per share (the same quarter a year = ago)>=3D70%,=20 annual earnings per share over the past 5 years, >=3D 24% = compounded,=20 shares outstanding<25,000,000, relative strength>=20 80%.

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of=20 DMC197807
Sent: = Wednesday, = August 06,=20 2003 = 11:23=20 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 filter

 

Jeff,

 

I = don't=20 understand which filter/scan you are using, or what all your = variables=20 mean.  If you're using a public scan or stockcharts, = maybe you=20 can put in a link here?

 

If C =3D=20 capitalization and you are using only the top 30% of stocks = you've=20 filtered out way too many stocks already.  In = capitalization I=20 only filter out the very top stocks, but that's just me.  = I don't=20 know what your S is.  For relative strength I use the top = 40% of=20 the market, that is, stocks outperforming=20 60%.

 

I'm willing=20 to let some other names in because after this scan gives me = names, I'm=20 happy to look through charts to find appropriate=20 patterns.

 

DMC

 

 

-----=20 Original Message -----

To:=20 Canslim=20

Sent:=20 Wednesday, = August 06,=20 2003 = 9:02=20 AM

Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] filter

 

After=20 reading O=92Neil=92s book I decided to use the filter = C>=3D70, A>=3D5,=20 S<25,000,000, relative strength>80 and last volume 1.5 = average=20 quarterly volume.  = To my=20 dismay, no stocks popped up. =20 How would you alter this=20 = filter?

- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35C31.4815D890-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:47:28 -0400 From: "Mark Kerson" Subject: RE: NWRE (was [CANSLIM] Hi, ) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C35C3A.6CF722A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_007E_01C35C3A.6CF722A0" - ------=_NextPart_001_007E_01C35C3A.6CF722A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine,=20 =20 Thanks for the reply.=20 =20 I guess my question was not clear.=20 =20 I am not interested in buying the stock. I think it has too many negatives.=20 =20 But I am interested what would cause and what the extreme drying up of volume in a handle as it approaches the 50 day line indicates? Does it mean that shares available for sale have dried up? Or perhaps it indicates that there is a general loss of interest in a given stock so that no one is buying or selling it?=20 =20 It just seems like such an extreme drop in volume I=92m curious about = it.=20 =20 Or, perhaps, it is an unanswerable question.=20 =20 But thanks for trying anyway.=20 =20 Mark =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:27 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: NWRE (was [CANSLIM] Hi, ) =20 Hi Mark, =20 NWRE has had some trouble breaking free of it's current area of consolidation, as it failed to break away from the previous base. There are some good and bad points that I see in the chart: =20 http://www.breakoutwatch.com/katherine/NWRE080603Wkly.JPG =20 All in all, I wouldn't take on the risk of something like this unless it *proved* it's ability to breakout from this latest base (high volume breakout with an underlying healthy market). Given that the market is pulling back, it's very possible that the RSLine will start to head back up, particularly if it can pause here and complete it's low volume handle while the rest of the market is in a funk. Worth watching, though the volatility makes this one a higher risk choice than many other CANSLIM quality stocks. =20 Katherine - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mark Kerson Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:28 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Hi,=20 I=92m looking at NWRE.=20 =20 Its grades are mediocre. I am not looking at buying it.=20 =20 But I=92m interested in the chart. =20 It is forming a handle and as it approaches the 50 day line the volume has dropped to =BC of the average volume. (466k vs. currently around = 140k) =20 I think I remember reading in IBD this was an indication that shares available for sale were drying up. Which in turn would drive the price higher? It also seems significant that it is doing this as it approaches the 50 day line.=20 =20 I would appreciate any insights or thoughts about this chart pattern. =20 =20 Thank you, =20 Mark=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_001_007E_01C35C3A.6CF722A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Katherine, =

 

Thanks for the reply. =

 

I guess my question was not clear. =

 

I am not = interested in buying the stock. I think it has too many negatives.

 

But I am interested what would = cause and what the extreme drying up of volume in a handle as it approaches the 50 = day line indicates? Does it mean that shares available for sale have dried = up? Or perhaps it indicates that there is a general loss of interest in a given stock = so that no one is buying or selling it?

 

It just seems like such an extreme = drop in volume I’m curious about it.

 

Or, perhaps, it is an unanswerable question.

 

But thanks for trying anyway. =

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Wednesday, August = 06, 2003 4:27 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: NWRE (was = [CANSLIM] Hi, )

 

Hi Mark,

 

NWRE has had some trouble breaking free of = it's current area of consolidation, as it failed to break away from the = previous base. There are some good and bad points that I see in the = chart:

 

 

All in all, I wouldn't take on the risk of = something like this unless it *proved* it's ability to breakout from this latest = base (high volume breakout with an underlying healthy market). Given that the = market is pulling back, it's very possible that the RSLine will start to head = back up, particularly if it can pause here and complete it's low volume handle = while the rest of the market is in a funk. Worth watching, though the volatility = makes this one a higher risk choice than many other CANSLIM quality = stocks.

 

Katherine

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mark Kerson
Sent: Wednesday, August = 06, 2003 2:28 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Hi, =

I’m looking at NWRE.

 

Its grades are mediocre. I am not looking at buying it.

 

But I’m interested in the chart.

 

It is forming a handle and as it approaches the 50 day line the volume has = dropped to =BC of the average volume. (466k vs. currently around 140k) =  

 

I think I remember reading in IBD this was an indication that shares = available for sale were drying up.  Which in turn would drive the price = higher? It also seems significant that it is doing this as it approaches the 50 day = line.

 

I would appreciate any insights or thoughts about this chart pattern. =  

 

Thank you,

 

Mark =

 

 

 

 

 

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