From: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com (descent-digest) To: descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: descent-digest V1 #47 Reply-To: descent-digest Sender: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk descent-digest Saturday, November 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 047 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:29:04 -0700 From: "Junaid Raoof" Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live well guys, he's a jazz drummer at heart. playing in a rock/alternative band. i think he's quite good. boris was wicked. and jason is pretty good. best drummer i've seen though is christian eigner who just finished touring with depeche mode. that guy rocks!!! junaid >From: patRice >Reply-To: descent@lists.xmission.com >To: descent@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:58:23 +0100 > > >Chris - I'm so HAPPY that finally more and more people are realizing the >fact >that Jason is very mediocre... > >I don't know whether he is into the music... He changed some of Boris' >patterns >in such an amateurish way, adding nothing to the feel; if anything: >destroying >it... (Fascination Street, e.g., where during the breakdown he added some >very >cheap, very bad rock-style kick drum pattern...). I was furious after the >last >time I saw them live and vowed never to attend a gig again. > >Did you also notice that an awful lot of the drum stuff on the last tour >came >from sequencers and was not played live!?!? > >patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:03:58 -0700 From: "professor vast" Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides now the curiosity/anomalies b-sides....THOSE are b-sides!! pv - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Reid" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides > I agree that remix B-Sides are generally awful. The Gone! mixes in > particular. > > It just seems that bands can't be bothered anymore and are happy to hand > their work to someone else to tamper with. > > I thought all the wish B-sides (remixes excluded) were excellent. And also > the bonus of being able to buy a cassette with bonus b-sides on. > > How many people would buy an album because it had several remixes of the > same song on it? - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:09:41 -0600 From: "Junaid Raoof" Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides i hate cure remixes. i think they are horrible. no matter who does them. just horrible. but i think the cure make wicked b-sides. my favs coming from wish and wild mood swings. 'waiting'. what a great song! 'a pink dream' fantastic! 'this twilight garden'. it's heaven! but if i'm into the artist that is remixing the track, i would definitely be interested. like if talvin singh remixed a depeche mode song, i would pick it up right away. cause depeche mode, i think, are my favorite band. and i think talvin singh's work is very interesting. or if martin gore remixed a cure track, then hell yeah i'd buy it. my two favorite bands. but if the mixes are done by horrible people such as dave clarke, then no, i wouldn't be interested. junaid >From: "Ian Reid" >Reply-To: descent@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:27:43 -0700 > >I agree that remix B-Sides are generally awful. The Gone! mixes in >particular. > >It just seems that bands can't be bothered anymore and are happy to hand >their work to someone else to tamper with. > >I thought all the wish B-sides (remixes excluded) were excellent. And also >the bonus of being able to buy a cassette with bonus b-sides on. > >How many people would buy an album because it had several remixes of the >same song on it? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:41 PM >Subject: (descent) B-Sides > > > > What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that > > is). > > In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely > > fantastic. > > Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion > > don't do the Cure any justice. > > > > I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs >but > > what are peoples general opinions on these. > > > > Cheers > > ~~IrishCure~ > >- > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:24:19 +0100 From: Falken Subject: (descent) Cut Here - promo Is the version on the "Cut Here" promo different to this on the single-cd ? Thanks, Falken - -- Homepage: http://www.brockenblick.pp.ru - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:06:28 -0700 From: mitchell j van Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides my all time feavorite cure song is the b-side from high.. "twilight garden" On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:27:43 -0700 "Ian Reid" writes: > I agree that remix B-Sides are generally awful. The Gone! mixes in > particular. > > It just seems that bands can't be bothered anymore and are happy to > hand > their work to someone else to tamper with. > > I thought all the wish B-sides (remixes excluded) were excellent. > And also > the bonus of being able to buy a cassette with bonus b-sides on. > > How many people would buy an album because it had several remixes of > the > same song on it? - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:42:09 -0800 From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live From: "patRice" > I don't know whether he is into the music... He changed some of Boris' patterns > in such an amateurish way, adding nothing to the feel; if anything: destroying > it... (Fascination Street, e.g., where during the breakdown he added some very > cheap, very bad rock-style kick drum pattern...). Yeah, his *contributions* to the songs are very dull and boreing. I was furious after the last > time I saw them live and vowed never to attend a gig again. Now, that's a little extreme, isn't it? :-) > Did you also notice that an awful lot of the drum stuff on the last tour came > from sequencers and was not played live!?!? Yes, which kind of makes sense as to why Robert would want him, total control. - --Chris - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:02:26 +0400 From: PARFUMER Subject: Re[2]: (descent) Collaborations n stuff Tdc> How about Robert going Techno or House and collaborating with the likes of Tdc> Basement Jaxx, Armand Van Helden or Jeff Mills? Tdc> But yes, Aphex Twin sounds like a great idea. Tdc> Anything not so obvious is okay with me... ;-) ........ mjv> i would like to see him do a song with Bjork.... ......... How about collaborating with Moz? ;) - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:01:14 -0800 From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) Collaborations n stuff Now that would be cool, especially if they both took part in writing the song(s). Has anyone seen the new Best Of for Moz? I just bought it for a Christmas present. I noticed that the photographs are portraying the cuts on his right arm, just above the Southpaw Grammar tattoo (which doesn't make sense). Do you think that he's trying to show off his cutting fetish/habit or if it is just makeup? Whatever is going on with it, it seems odd. - --Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PARFUMER" > ......... > How about collaborating with Moz? ;) - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:29:38 +0100 From: patRice Subject: (descent) RE: B-Sides Tony_Bedford@dell.com wrote: >What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that >is). >In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely >fantastic. >Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion >don't do the Cure any justice. Good question... Well - I think that some of the B-sides for the Wish singles were actually VERY good: The Big Hand, This Twilight Garden... maybe some others, too (can't remember right now). But yes, compared to the stuff on the Standing On A Beach tape release with the old B-Sides... I listened to this tape a few weeks ago, and especially the very experimental stuff I totally love. Although my fave is This Exploding Boy. >I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs but >what are peoples general opinions on these. The House/Techno remixes of any Cure track have never been any good, I feel. But come on - it's a matter of opinion, and there's quite a bit of absolutely excellent Techno out there. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap... (Even though I agree that a lot of it is complete and utter shite...) patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:07:59 -0800 From: "professor vast" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (descent) Collaborations n stuff >>From: "PARFUMER" > Tdc> How about Robert going Techno or House and collaborating with the = likes of > Tdc> Basement Jaxx, Armand Van Helden or Jeff Mills? >=20 > Tdc> But yes, Aphex Twin sounds like a great idea. > Tdc> Anything not so obvious is okay with me... ;-) > ........ > mjv> i would like to see him do a song with Bjork.... > ......... > How about collaborating with Moz? ;) god help us all!!! we'll have the biggest whinefest this side of = Russia!! :-p (you know i'm just joking around mr. parfumer)=20 pv - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:36:12 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live Ouch - Jason a Jazz drummer? That seems rather insulting to proper Jazz drummers. He wouldn't even find his way out of a complicated solo... And if, like you suggest, he WAS a Jazz drummer - why didn't he join some Jazz band??? There are some EXCELLENT Jazz drummers, e.g. Ricky Lawson and Omar Hakim, who have toured with the likes of Michael Jackson and Madonna, and they were able to adapt completely to the situation! One aspect of being a good drummer is being able to distinguish between the kind of band/music situation you can fit into, and the ones you can't... Was the guy with Depeche Mode the same one as on the last tour? patRice Junaid Raoof wrote: > well guys, he's a jazz drummer at heart. playing in a rock/alternative band. > i think he's quite good. boris was wicked. and jason is pretty good. > > best drummer i've seen though is christian eigner who just finished touring > with depeche mode. that guy rocks!!! > > junaid - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:41:23 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides This is the one that goes "Day after day, I let you down, promise you to change, ...", isn't it? If yes: agreed, absolutely ****** fantastic. The mood, the music, the lyrics just go together soooooo well... It indeed is pure bliss... But my personal all-time faves are on Pornography. That album is such a masterpiece, I can hardly believe the boys were still so young at the time of writing/recording it. patRice mitchell j van wrote: > my all time feavorite cure song is the b-side from high.. "twilight > garden" - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:45:50 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live c wrote: > From: "patRice" > > I don't know whether he is into the music... He changed some of Boris' > patterns > > Yeah, his *contributions* to the songs are very dull and boreing. Like I said in my last mail: glad I'm meeting more and more people who have ears "big" enough to hear this... > > > I was furious after the last > > time I saw them live and vowed never to attend a gig again. > > Now, that's a little extreme, isn't it? :-) You could say so, I guess, but for me the show was like going through hell, my mood just turned worse and worse... And I just don't want to experience such bad feelings again. I just couldn't stop asking myself why Robert was willing to put up with such a mediocre drummer. I mean, there's hundreds if not thousands of very good drummers out there who would probably even be willing to tour with them for just food and lodging. (Count me in! Even though at present I'm not very good since I don't have time to practice anymore - but I do know about 80 % of their material by heart; so I could join tomorrow... ;-)) > > > > Did you also notice that an awful lot of the drum stuff on the last tour > came > > from sequencers and was not played live!?!? > > Yes, which kind of makes sense as to why Robert would want him, total > control. Now that's a new way of looking at it... So if I was Robert, I guess I'd just put a robot there and play everything off DAT or sequencer... patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:50:56 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides But what do you guys and gals out there think about Mixed Up? Looking back, the band did almost pioneer this "remix" album trend that has been happening for a few years now. Also they choose some remixers who weren't too well-known at the time and are now very big names in the dance music scene. patRice Ian Reid wrote: > I agree that remix B-Sides are generally awful. The Gone! mixes in > particular. - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:45:55 -0600 From: David_Lane@dell.com Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides the remixes...mostly a load of rubbish..."Mixed up" was enough. - -----Original Message----- From: Tony_Bedford@dell.com [mailto:Tony_Bedford@dell.com] Sent: 15 November 2001 12:42 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) B-Sides What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that is). In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely fantastic. Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion don't do the Cure any justice. I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs but what are peoples general opinions on these. Cheers ~~~IrishCure~ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:46:36 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) Cure Acoustic Hits Yeah, whilst I really like the acoustic disc (it has a cute Christmassy feel), I was surprised that drums featured so heavily. I guess it all depends what your definition of Acoustic is... Glad that some of the more inventive forms of percussion (as featured on the playout vid/MTV unplugged) were also used... Although I do miss that Kazoo on The Walk! Pat, are you by any chance, a drummer? - -----Original Message----- From: patRice [mailto:iqhouse@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 09:50 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) Cure Acoustic Hits According to the Cure's website Boris did ONLY play percussion! (And I wonder why they did ask him to do that...) I would quite like to know what the Acoustic Hits would have sounded like if it had been recorded in the MTV Unplugged style - without drum set, and just percussion... patRice James Scott wrote: > Er... Boris did do it! > > Boris played percussion (or played the main drums) on the Acoustic Hits I > think... - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:01:17 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) Bringing back some live Well, that I think is the positive thing Jason brings... he's combined live drumming and drum machine sequences and moved things forward a bit. It's not so much that he's THE DRUMMER (because whilst you feel he was the worst choice, I think ANYONE would have had a hard time filling Boris' shoes), it's more like drums and percussion are Jason's DEPARTMENT, and I think he does a good job keeping it in order... I agree that there isn't the spark on drums that Boris brought, but I think Jason brings other valuable things that perhaps Boris wouldn't have entertained (like using some sequencers - which works brilliantly and seamlessly on Out Of This World - i.e. I didn't notice it was there on the first listen, but after a while you realise how it helps keep a slow-ish song driving forward. The best table service is that which you don't notice!). er... I also need to point out though (although it may already be clear from my comments) that I know nothing about drumming and very little about creating good percussion. In fact, if anyone's reading who can play anything like Boris (or Jason for that matter) and lives in or around North London /South Herts in the UK... then let me know... Cos Fruity Loops and associated packages are only fun for me for about 10 minutes!! :0) - -----Original Message----- From: patRice [mailto:iqhouse@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 09:58 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live Chris - I'm so HAPPY that finally more and more people are realizing the fact that Jason is very mediocre... I don't know whether he is into the music... He changed some of Boris' patterns in such an amateurish way, adding nothing to the feel; if anything: destroying it... (Fascination Street, e.g., where during the breakdown he added some very cheap, very bad rock-style kick drum pattern...). I was furious after the last time I saw them live and vowed never to attend a gig again. Did you also notice that an awful lot of the drum stuff on the last tour came from sequencers and was not played live!?!? patRice c wrote: > > patRice > > (who still wishes to see Jason take up the drummer's position in a band > that I > > don't care about...) > > I'm beginning to agree with you. I have been very willing to give him a > chance, I even posted a positive review about him a few years ago because he > seemed slightly into the music during a show in San Jose. I thought that it > was because he was feeling more comfortable. But now, I'm still waiting for > him to be slightly more than slightly into the music. He is so boring in the > Cut Here video. But then again, I think that they all are fairly boring in > that video, except Simon. Simon is always kind of cool. :) > > --Chris - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:05:03 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides I think the very-dancey mix that ROBERT did of Wrong Number was excellent. And as I've mentioned, the melancholy mix of Cut Here is much better than the 'A' side in my opinion. The Friday I'm In Love remix was a bit predicatble and I never listen to it... Earlier remixes, like Lovesong, are quite strong, but maybe that's because they're so close to the originals anyway. I don't own many singles so I can't really give you a rounded and informed opinion though. Best regards, J - -----Original Message----- From: Tony_Bedford@dell.com [mailto:Tony_Bedford@dell.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:42 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) B-Sides What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that is). In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely fantastic. Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion don't do the Cure any justice. I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs but what are peoples general opinions on these. Cheers ~~~IrishCure~ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:08:40 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides Sigh... I never get to hear these things! - -----Original Message----- From: professor vast [mailto:theliquidspace@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 21:27 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides i thought the "let's go to bed" remix was killer. too bad it wasn't on mixed up. pv - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:41 AM Subject: (descent) B-Sides > What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that > is). > In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely > fantastic. > Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion > don't do the Cure any justice. > > I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs but > what are peoples general opinions on these. > > Cheers > ~~IrishCure~ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:10:34 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) Bringing back some live The girl (sorry I don't know her name) that plays drums for (or at least used to play drums for) Elliott Smith and Quasi is AMAZING... I remember the first time I saw them at ULU in London someone in the crowd shouted out "Chicks with sticks float my boat!!!"! - -----Original Message----- From: Junaid Raoof [mailto:mystyle44@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 21:29 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live well guys, he's a jazz drummer at heart. playing in a rock/alternative band. i think he's quite good. boris was wicked. and jason is pretty good. best drummer i've seen though is christian eigner who just finished touring with depeche mode. that guy rocks!!! junaid >From: patRice >Reply-To: descent@lists.xmission.com >To: descent@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:58:23 +0100 > > >Chris - I'm so HAPPY that finally more and more people are realizing the >fact >that Jason is very mediocre... > >I don't know whether he is into the music... He changed some of Boris' >patterns >in such an amateurish way, adding nothing to the feel; if anything: >destroying >it... (Fascination Street, e.g., where during the breakdown he added some >very >cheap, very bad rock-style kick drum pattern...). I was furious after the >last >time I saw them live and vowed never to attend a gig again. > >Did you also notice that an awful lot of the drum stuff on the last tour >came >from sequencers and was not played live!?!? > >patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:32:51 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides Is that the stuff featured on the B-side of the "Concert" cassette tape? Man, have listened to that tape for ages... patRice professor vast wrote: > now the curiosity/anomalies b-sides....THOSE are b-sides!! > > pv - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:52:23 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides I've purchased Kate Bush and Tears for Fears remasters which feature selected remixes after the original track sequences... So whilst you buy the remaster to get the extra stuff (and agonise over whether it sounds any better than the original), ultimately you end up feeling like some of your favourite albums have been interfered with in a fairly sinister way! One thing I would like to learn more on about The Cure (and other artists), is the creative and recording process, and I'm hoping that for one track atleast, Robert's idea of distribution of music via the web will mean that we can listen to work in progress and hear different versions of a track as it develops... Then it can be a surprise to find out which one they officially "release" and charge you for as the main version! I know that this might mean that the "finished" song could seem a bit sterile because we'll have seen the magic at work, but I think it would be an amazing insight. I keep all my early mixes and skeleton sessions (I haven't got 24-7 access to a studio, so if all I finish in one 3hr or 6hr session is the guitars and a basic drum pattern, I'll burn it on a disc and take it home to reflect on) and based on how it's evolved at each stage I might make some changes or come up with some ideas that send it off on another tangent in the next session. Sometimes if I can't decide on which direction to go in I'll end up with more than one version - so the others immediately become remixes. I guess the problem with applying this to The Cure is that (as we saw on Curevision) they can work so damn quickly that a track would never slowly evolve like that... I dunno... Is everybody bored yet? Is ANYONE still reading? - -----Original Message----- From: Ian Reid [mailto:ian@asitelikethis.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 21:28 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides I agree that remix B-Sides are generally awful. The Gone! mixes in particular. It just seems that bands can't be bothered anymore and are happy to hand their work to someone else to tamper with. I thought all the wish B-sides (remixes excluded) were excellent. And also the bonus of being able to buy a cassette with bonus b-sides on. How many people would buy an album because it had several remixes of the same song on it? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: (descent) B-Sides > What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the mixes part that > is). > In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely > fantastic. > Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in my opinion > don't do the Cure any justice. > > I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like the remixs but > what are peoples general opinions on these. > > Cheers > ~~IrishCure~ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:51:47 -0000 From: "Ian Reid" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (descent) Collaborations n stuff Do you think they would stay in the studio long enough beofre they killed each other. I did quite like the Moz/Siouxsie collaboration though (Interlude). - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PARFUMER" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: Re[2]: (descent) Collaborations n stuff > Tdc> How about Robert going Techno or House and collaborating with the likes of > Tdc> Basement Jaxx, Armand Van Helden or Jeff Mills? > > Tdc> But yes, Aphex Twin sounds like a great idea. > Tdc> Anything not so obvious is okay with me... ;-) > ........ > mjv> i would like to see him do a song with Bjork.... > ......... > How about collaborating with Moz? ;) > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:24:29 -0800 From: "professor vast" Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides >From: "patRice" > > But what do you guys and gals out there think about Mixed Up? > > Looking back, the band did almost pioneer this "remix" album trend that has > been happening for a few years now. > > Also they choose some remixers who weren't too well-known at the time and are > now very big names in the dance music scene. > > patRice i loved mixed up. it had a lot to do with me getting into techno/electronic stuff since then. the walk remix is my favorite. oddly enough, i was listening to it again after YEARS two days ago. it's got a drum and bass vibe to it. great stuff...back when the Cure were still putting out unique and exciting stuff oh and the let's go to bed (milk mix) is excellent too. it's on the never enough maxi-single. pv - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:54:42 -0700 From: "professor vast" Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides yes, only on the tape version, not cd. it's got that version of In Your House with different lyrics when it was called "AM" pv - ----- Original Message ----- From: "patRice" > Is that the stuff featured on the B-side of the "Concert" cassette tape? > Man, have listened to that tape for ages... > > patRice > > > professor vast wrote: > > > now the curiosity/anomalies b-sides....THOSE are b-sides!! > > > > pv - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:55:32 -0800 From: Sven LL Rafferty Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides Remixes aren't B-Sides to me, just filler to sale a single. I stopped buying any single that just has remixes. Three remixes of one song is way too much. Man, how many crappy versions of a good song can someone make? When the boys use to release *real* b-sides, that was so cool. I looked FORWARD to the next single because of it. I love "Fear of Ghosts" and "Babble". "Harold and Joe" was also fantastic. I think it comes down to the fact that most bands no longer have much left over they feel is good enough to put on a single. Heck, most artists have trouble just putting less then a dozen good songs on their album! Hence, one reason MP3's have become so popular. No one wants to pay for a crappy album and no one wants to pay for five different versions of a crappy single. So, is any one in the record business care? No, they just shut down MP3 sites, that's it... oh, boy. Got of on a tangent, sorry. 8--) <><> ___________________________________________________________ "When you have got an elephant by the hind legs and he is trying to run away, it is best to let him run." - Abraham Lincoln > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony_Bedford@dell.com [mailto:Tony_Bedford@dell.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:42 AM > To: descent@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (descent) B-Sides > > > What are peoples impressions of the current B-sides (the > mixes part that > is). > In all the earlier cure singles (pre Wish) the B-sides were absolutely > fantastic. > Since Wish all the B-sides have had remixes on them which in > my opinion > don't do the Cure any justice. > > I know some people are into the techno crap and probobly like > the remixs but > what are peoples general opinions on these. > > Cheers > ~~IrishCure~ > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ End of descent-digest V1 #47 **************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.