From: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com (descent-digest) To: descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: descent-digest V1 #49 Reply-To: descent-digest Sender: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-descent-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk descent-digest Thursday, November 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 049 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:37:09 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides Well, against my example, where I spend literally months working on a song and you would get to hear a new version once every couple of weeks, The Cure just go into a studio and work on a song all day every day until it's done, which with the equipment and experience they have could be about two days. How quickly were Cut Here, Just Say Yes, Signal To Noise, and all the Acoustic Hits recorded? About a week?! It just wouldn't provide the same sense of suspense and intimacy... It would be like a mini Big Brother in a music studio! Does that make sense, or am I confusing things even more? JS - -----Original Message----- From: c [mailto:joshcook@sonic.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 06:51 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides I'm confused about the "work so damn quickly" part. ;^) - --Chris From: "James Scott" > I guess the problem with applying this to The Cure is that (as we saw on > Curevision) they can work so damn quickly that a track would never slowly > evolve like that... - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:39:48 -0700 From: evolved from nada Subject: (descent) CURE Live Chat Nov. 26th http://chat.yahoo.com/c/events/info/2001/11/26/112601cure.html "GetMusic.com Presents: Cure - Audio Chat Originally taking cues from the clanging, minimalist art-punk of Wire and Joy Division for their landmark 1979 release Boys Don't Cry, the Cure went on to explore - and sometimes practically own - such sparsely-populated stylistic territory as gloomy, atmospheric neo-psychedelia (Pornography, Faith), concise, Goth-tinged dance-pop (Head On the Door, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me), and dark, catchy soundscapes (Disintegration). Tune in as GetMusic hosts Robert Smith and Co. to ask about their new greatest hits collection and find out what's new with the man who taught an entire generation of high-schoolers how to wear black. Monday, November 26 at 7pET/4pPT. 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:26:46 -0700 From: "EireGirl" Subject: RE: (descent) forest my favourite version of 'A Forest' is from May 25, 2000, in Dallas, TX at the Starplex on the Dream Tour , last song on the 3rd encore. i still remember the feeling standing there with a warm wind blowing and a starry night. wonderful. i listen to it every once in awhile to bring back the memories... ~eiregirl > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-descent@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-descent@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > David_Lane@dell.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:30 AM > To: descent@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (descent) forest > > > My favourite version of A Forest was on the wish tour, they ended > the world > tour in Dublin and were being supported by The Cranes ( Who I'm > not a fan of > ) but they finished up the set with A Forest where every one was on stage > Including the cranes 2 drums 2 bases etc... and towards the end > of the song > they ran it into "Forever" and back to A Forest...it was un > believable and I > couldn't tell you how long it was but it was long... > > Dave - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:27:59 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) Cure will always be someone's punching bag? It's a tough one... I'd love for The Cure to do well in the charts, but their choice of which tracks to release as singles has often disappointed me... It always seem to be geared around shaking off the stigma of being "the masters of doom and gloom" and consequently I think they've missed out on chart success, because when Wild Mood Swings came out and I used to have it on repeat during the theatre rehearsals I was running with a group of "youngsters", the track they fell in love with was 'Want'... not any of the poppier stuff which you'd expect to perform better in the charts. Absolutely everyone I've ever played Cure stuff to that isn't already a fan LOVES 'Want'. I think "we" just assume that if a song wants to do well in the singles chart it has to be a shiny happy pop song OR some sloppy ballad, and so BETTER songs are rarely released and therefore don't reach the record buying public. I think now, I'm not so bothered... The band aren't struggling financially, and as long as I can get my grubby mitts on whatever else they release, I don't care. I don't think chart success bothers them, so why should it bother us. I guess it's disappointing to see such mediocre music do well, when the amazing output from the cure doesn't. It's more a disappointment in the world around us, that other people's music tastes are based on such shallow issues, and consequently society en-mass have developed extremely poor taste in music. Of course Radiohead'll keep the flag flying for real music for a bit because whilst image may not be of concern for them, their actual appearance is more "acceptable" than Robert and co's. UGH! - -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Smith [mailto:caterpillargirlau@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 23:54 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) Cure will always be someone's punching bag? This is my first post on descent after at least a year away. I hope I've done this right, because my computer is not set up to allow me to email without going through Yahoo...anyway. About the Jason talk, I don't know anything about drums so I can't comment but as a would-be guitarist I miss the presence of Porl. Living in Australia I dreamt of the day when I would see FTEOTDGS live with an amazing guitar solo. When I got my chance on the Bloodflowers tour it just was not the same with Perry, nice guy that he is. I love the Cure for the guitar, that's what inspired me to start playing and Porl's improvisational ability amazed me and added a real creative contribution to the band and not just a repetition of Robert's creation. The real intent of my post is to ask whether we should worry about how the hits charts and whether Cut Here gets airplay (although I do anyway). Think about the way the band have been bagged for ANOTHER greatest hits and think of the people who I sat next to at the Bloodflowers gigs who whined the whole way through about wanting to hear the hits. When you think about the history of the Cure they have always been a fringe group who become arena sized around the Wish era (I know they played some big gigs earlier too). I think they are in a very difficult spot-- as they mention on thecure.com they're too mainstream for some and too odd for others. The Cure don't fit anywhere except with us. I write this because people posting on Chain of Flowers seem concerned about how the hits will chart, whether it's getting any promotion etc. I was wondering does anyone else here think it really matters whether the Cure charts anymore? I keep wanting to prove to other people that the band are still popular and relevant etc but does it really matter? Michelle - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:22:05 -0800 From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) Bringing back some live From: "patRice" > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to defend Jason at all. LOL > But to let you know that I'm not just some stupid hasn't-cut-it badmouther... > I remember reading in an interview with Robert that actually Jason does some > drum programming on his MPC-2000 midi thing... Cool, I had no idea that Jason did anything creative. - --Chris - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:37:36 -0800 From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides I think I see what you mean. To me, it makes perfect sense that all of those songs were recorded in about a week's time because they are professionals. (That reminds me of a report that I heard recently. An English(?) or German(?) University did a study where they asked professional and amateur violinists to tap their fingers on a table while thinking of a piece of music. The professionals' brains showed high activity in the hearing part, and the amatuers' showed high activity in the motor skills part.) BTW, I'm not trying to say that YOU are amateur or professional or any kind of comparison. :) What didn't make sense to me, was that I was thinking about the time between releases. I was thinking that it took them almost two years to release only 3 new songs and record themselves playing a bunch of songs that they've played countless times before. That, is lethargic. :-P - --Chris From: "James Scott" > Well, against my example, where I spend literally months working on a song > and you would get to hear a new version once every couple of weeks, The Cure > just go into a studio and work on a song all day every day until it's done, > which with the equipment and experience they have could be about two days. > How quickly were Cut Here, Just Say Yes, Signal To Noise, and all the > Acoustic Hits recorded? About a week?! It just wouldn't provide the same > sense of suspense and intimacy... It would be like a mini Big Brother in a > music studio! > > Does that make sense, or am I confusing things even more? > -----Original Message----- > From: c [mailto:joshcook@sonic.net] > I'm confused about the "work so damn quickly" part. ;^) > > --Chris > > From: "James Scott" > > I guess the problem with applying this to The Cure is that (as we saw on > > Curevision) they can work so damn quickly that a track would never slowly > > evolve like that... - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:20:30 -0800 From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) Cure will always be someone's punching bag? From: "Michelle Smith" > The Cure don't fit anywhere except with us. I write > this because people posting on Chain of Flowers seem > concerned about how the hits will chart, whether it's > getting any promotion etc. I was wondering does > anyone else here think it really matters whether the > Cure charts anymore? I keep wanting to prove to other > people that the band are still popular and relevant > etc but does it really matter? I'm a bit torn. It's always nice to hear them on the radio (beats anything else), but it is also wonderful to love a fringe band than a stupid pop band. It makes me feel superior, like I have a more refined taste. ;-) - --Chris - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:46:51 -0700 From: IamMoJoBoy@aol.com Subject: (descent) Re: Lyrics to Signal to Noise can anyone email me the lyrics to Signal to Noise? Email: iammojoboy@aol.com thanks in advance!! -robyn d myth the night turns as i try to explain , irresistable attraction in an orbital plane... - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:54:32 -0800 From: "Keisha Duncan" Subject: RE: (descent) Cure will always be someone's punching bag? I have NO interest whatsoever in the charts! Because The Charts do not say much to me. I must admit I do appreciate The Cure getting any kind of recognition though here and there. Records Sales... who cares how many people are buying records, just as long as the people buying are actually appreciating the music. Popular opinion is not really important to me. I know when something is good, that is all I need to know; that is enough. I always feel like a heel when I like something popular, but then the 'popular' I tend to like is less mainstream, for instance, Radiohead. In fact, I actually find it amazing that Radiohead get the credit that they do. I mean they are actually good and most people realize it! Hmm, there are less stupid people in the world than I thought maybe. Anyway, I do not care what The Cure do, in my mind, they remain THE CURE always. I am just hoping there will be a tour again soon. I have never seen them in concert and would like to at least once in my lifetime before they decide to pack it in. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:11:00 +0100 From: patRice Subject: (descent) RE: Cure will always be someone's punching bag? Michelle wrote: >About the Jason talk, I don't know anything about >drums so I can't comment but as a would-be guitarist I >miss the presence of Porl. Living in Australia I Personally I never disliked Perry's guitarplaying. But you are absolutely right: Porl was a class of his own. BTW: has anyone heard anything about what he's been up to recently? >The real intent of my post is to ask whether we should >worry about how the hits charts and whether Cut Here >gets airplay (although I do anyway). Think about the >way the band have been bagged for ANOTHER greatest >hits and think of the people who I sat next to at the By "bagged" do you mean they were forced to do it due to existing contracts with record companies? I do feel that Robert always brings across very credibly that all the compilations (and even Mixed Up) were not what he really wanted to do, but that he was almost forced to do them by the record companies. I've actually started wondering whether this really is true - or whether he's just very good at keeping street cred with us fans... Of course, we will never know for sure... >The Cure don't fit anywhere except with us. I write >this because people posting on Chain of Flowers seem >concerned about how the hits will chart, whether it's >getting any promotion etc. I was wondering does I don't want to step on anyone's toes or anything, and I must say that I find chainofflowers.com very helpful. But don't you also feel that the people who worry about such things are usually the younger fans, who still need someone to look up to, who can't take it when someone says something "negative" about the band? (Mind you: I used to be the same when I was a teenager!) And if "Cut Here" doesn't do well as a single...: does that come as a surprise? I find the track to simply be way too mediocre. I find that every new song since Wrong Number (except maybe for some B-sides which I haven't heard) does have a *VERY* similar feel to it; almost too much so... patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:22:09 +0100 From: patRice Subject: (descent) RE: Cure will always be someone's punching bag? James wrote: >I'd love for The Cure to do well in the charts, but their choice of which >tracks to release as singles has often disappointed me... It always seem to >be geared around shaking off the stigma of being "the masters of doom and >gloom" and consequently I think they've missed out on chart success, because I never looked at it this way. But, do you seriously think Robert is concerned about such things? He's managed to keep so much street cred in my books that I still believe he just doesn't give a further thought to stuff like that... >they fell in love with was 'Want'... not any of the poppier stuff which >you'd expect to perform better in the charts. Absolutely everyone I've ever >played Cure stuff to that isn't already a fan LOVES 'Want'. That was actually one of my faves on WMS too! Especially because of the lyrics. >I think now, I'm not so bothered... The band aren't struggling financially, >and as long as I can get my grubby mitts on whatever else they release, I >don't care. I don't think chart success bothers them, so why should it >bother us. Well - even if they don't care doesn't mean that others don't have the right to... But yes, I'd say that I also don't care about The Cure's chart position. >I guess it's disappointing to see such mediocre music do well, >when the amazing output from the cure doesn't. It's more a disappointment in Well - which output do you mean exactly by "amazing"? The last few albums? The last few singles? Their whole back catalogue? >the world around us, that other people's music tastes are based on such >shallow issues, and consequently society en-mass have developed extremely >>poor taste in music. So, what "shallow issues" are they, in your opinion? I also think that most of the stuff that gets a lot of airplay is crap (I never ever listen to the radio); but that e.g. Cut Here or Wrong Number didn't sell all that well didn't come as too much of a surprise... patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:31:22 +0100 From: patRice Subject: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE Hi y'all... Has anyone from the list had time yet to check out the Microsite in-depth? I haven't, and also feel too lazy... So - are there any goodies there? Or just the sound files of the songs off the Greatest Hits? patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:23:53 -0700 From: "Ian Reid" Subject: Re: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE No No No! If you click on the audio link you are presented with a demo or live = version of that song. I haven't listened to them all yet but they include loads of home demos = and some unreleased remixes. Get downloading now! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: patRice=20 To: descent@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE Hi y'all... Has anyone from the list had time yet to check out the Microsite in-depth? I haven't, and also feel too lazy... So - are there any goodies there? Or just the sound files of the songs off the Greatest Hits? patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:25:11 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) B-Sides >:O) I have a professional attitude, but sadly an amateur budget / access to studio / equipment! Oh well... Sadly I shouldn't think anyone's interested in hearing MY work-in-progress, but I haven't yet sent any finished stuff to A&R people either, so it's early days... Fingers crossed and all that. - -----Original Message----- From: c [mailto:joshcook@sonic.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 02:38 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (descent) B-Sides I think I see what you mean. To me, it makes perfect sense that all of those songs were recorded in about a week's time because they are professionals. (That reminds me of a report that I heard recently. An English(?) or German(?) University did a study where they asked professional and amateur violinists to tap their fingers on a table while thinking of a piece of music. The professionals' brains showed high activity in the hearing part, and the amatuers' showed high activity in the motor skills part.) BTW, I'm not trying to say that YOU are amateur or professional or any kind of comparison. :) What didn't make sense to me, was that I was thinking about the time between releases. I was thinking that it took them almost two years to release only 3 new songs and record themselves playing a bunch of songs that they've played countless times before. That, is lethargic. :-P - --Chris - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:12:02 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) RE: Cure will always be someone's punching bag? I had a conversation with a 'Fiction' person (who shall remain nameless because they hate it when I quote them) who told me that the singles choices were mainly because Robert didn't want The Cure to be pigeon-holed as a "miserable" band. "Masters of doom and gloom" were the exact words used. But then, you never know whether someone from a record company is telling you the truth or not I guess. When I say output, I mean the majority of the back catalogue - it's mostly gorgeous except for Cut Here, Mint Car and all those Boo Radleys type tracks which cropped up on WMS. The melancholy stuff was wonderful on that album. I wasn't too keen on some of the Japanese Whispers stuff, and I know many people feel that The Top is a weak album (I disagree, although I find Give Me It difficult to listen to.). I actually liked Wrong Number though Pat. The shallow issues I speak of are the looks and the dance moves and the media exposure (who's bedding who) and all that stuff. Whilst Radiohead are attached as hypocrits by angry students who couldn't get their heads around Kid A for making a profit (god damn!), it seems that most of the bands and people I like do tend to be those who aren't media whores... PJ Harvey apparently HATES showbiz parties, as does Thom Yorke, Elliott Smith and ofcourse, Robert doesn't seem too keen! All of these people co-incidentally have my complete attention when it comes to music anyway, but I think I'm more willing to listen to what they have to say because they don't appear to have their arm twisted behind their back by a record company. - -----Original Message----- From: patRice [mailto:iqhouse@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 14:22 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) RE: Cure will always be someone's punching bag? James wrote: >I'd love for The Cure to do well in the charts, but their choice of which >tracks to release as singles has often disappointed me... It always seem to >be geared around shaking off the stigma of being "the masters of doom and >gloom" and consequently I think they've missed out on chart success, because I never looked at it this way. But, do you seriously think Robert is concerned about such things? He's managed to keep so much street cred in my books that I still believe he just doesn't give a further thought to stuff like that... >they fell in love with was 'Want'... not any of the poppier stuff which >you'd expect to perform better in the charts. Absolutely everyone I've ever >played Cure stuff to that isn't already a fan LOVES 'Want'. That was actually one of my faves on WMS too! Especially because of the lyrics. >I think now, I'm not so bothered... The band aren't struggling financially, >and as long as I can get my grubby mitts on whatever else they release, I >don't care. I don't think chart success bothers them, so why should it >bother us. Well - even if they don't care doesn't mean that others don't have the right to... But yes, I'd say that I also don't care about The Cure's chart position. >I guess it's disappointing to see such mediocre music do well, >when the amazing output from the cure doesn't. It's more a disappointment in Well - which output do you mean exactly by "amazing"? The last few albums? The last few singles? Their whole back catalogue? >the world around us, that other people's music tastes are based on such >shallow issues, and consequently society en-mass have developed extremely >>poor taste in music. So, what "shallow issues" are they, in your opinion? I also think that most of the stuff that gets a lot of airplay is crap (I never ever listen to the radio); but that e.g. Cut Here or Wrong Number didn't sell all that well didn't come as too much of a surprise... patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:13:43 -0000 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE It's not that exciting... not from what I've seen so far... Some rare-ish pictures, a bit of video which I didn't bother downloading, and audio clips (which also I haven't bothered to download). Anyone else spent more time with it? - -----Original Message----- From: patRice [mailto:iqhouse@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 14:31 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE Hi y'all... Has anyone from the list had time yet to check out the Microsite in-depth? I haven't, and also feel too lazy... So - are there any goodies there? Or just the sound files of the songs off the Greatest Hits? patRice - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:34:50 +0100 From: "Michael Mommertz" Subject: Re: (descent) The Cure MICROSITE Hi, > Has anyone from the list had time yet to check out the Microsite > in-depth? > I haven't, and also feel too lazy... > > So - are there any goodies there? > Or just the sound files of the songs off the Greatest Hits? Just 93 MB of Windows Media files (read MP3) in your temporary internet files drawer. And a few short video clips that I couldn't watch cause I'm too lazy to install quicktime. Greetings, Michael - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:10:40 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michelle=20Smith?= Subject: (descent) Acoustic Disc You've probably all discussed the acoustic disc that comes with the Greatest Hits but in Australia we only go the chance to hear it three days ago. My boyfriend is trained in audio engineering and in his opinion the disc sounded terrible. Not with regard to the bands actual playing but the sound quality. He particularly felt that the drumming was poorly recorded and that the guitars sounded dull, without the usual brightness of an acoustic. He felt that some tracks were worse than others. Does anyone know who was responsible for this side of things? Or does anyone feel that the disc is unlistenable for this reason, as my boyfriend does? Michelle http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - - Get organised for Christmas early this year! - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:42:56 -0700 From: "Get Smart 86" Subject: Re: (descent) Acoustic Disc I 'think the CD is not the best quality... but I don't know if it is that bad... Could be better... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: (descent) Acoustic Disc > You've probably all discussed the acoustic disc that > comes with the Greatest Hits but in Australia we only > go the chance to hear it three days ago. > > My boyfriend is trained in audio engineering and in > his opinion the disc sounded terrible. Not with regard > to the bands actual playing but the sound quality. He > particularly felt that the drumming was poorly > recorded and that the guitars sounded dull, without > the usual brightness of an acoustic. He felt that > some tracks were worse than others. > > Does anyone know who was responsible for this side of > things? Or does anyone feel that the disc is > unlistenable for this reason, as my boyfriend does? > > Michelle - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:44:35 -0700 From: "Velvetac" Subject: Re: (descent) forest Cure Carnival = Rio De Janeiro, January, 27, 1996 :-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mauro Lombardo" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: Re: (descent) forest > "The Cure Bite the Big Apple" > "Cure Carnival" > > these are the first suggestions I received THANKS > > can you tell me which are the dates of these versions? > > anyone else? - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:46:00 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: RE: (descent) Acoustic Disc The acoustic disc is a nice freebie (remember we didn't pay double disc rates for this!) and I've really enjoyed listening to it. I'm usually the first to complain about sound quality, but this disc certainly isn't "unlistenable". Is your boyfriend usually fond of The Cure or not? I'd agree that sometimes the acoustic guitars sound a bit like casio keyboards, but that's half the fun... It's got that tongue-in-cheek quality which The Cure handle so well! And given the nature of the band's dynamic, I don't think Robert would let anything go out the door that he wasn't totally happy with... The Greatest Hits, whilst put together possibly or partly to honour and sever contracts with record companies, didn't HAVE to be supported with a second disc as far as anyone I know is aware, so if they took the trouble to record it for us, I think they would have made sure the quality was right. I think the "brightness" your boyfriend speaks of, often comes from steel strung acoustic guitars, but the guitars on the bonus disc sound mostly like nylon strung, folky and classical guitars... So that might be why they sound warmer (not duller!). Of course, some people (can't remember where) have found a copy of The Doors Greatest Hits burnt onto what should be the Acoustic pressing... Whoops! - -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Smith [mailto:caterpillargirlau@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 03:11 To: descent@lists.xmission.com Subject: (descent) Acoustic Disc You've probably all discussed the acoustic disc that comes with the Greatest Hits but in Australia we only go the chance to hear it three days ago. My boyfriend is trained in audio engineering and in his opinion the disc sounded terrible. Not with regard to the bands actual playing but the sound quality. He particularly felt that the drumming was poorly recorded and that the guitars sounded dull, without the usual brightness of an acoustic. He felt that some tracks were worse than others. Does anyone know who was responsible for this side of things? Or does anyone feel that the disc is unlistenable for this reason, as my boyfriend does? Michelle - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:10:41 +0100 From: "Michael Mommertz" Subject: Re: (descent) Acoustic Disc Hi Michelle, > Does anyone know who was responsible for this side of > things? Or does anyone feel that the disc is > unlistenable for this reason, as my boyfriend does? I think you should stop listening to your boyfriend ;)) I think the disc is really really cool ! Greetings, Michael - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:48:01 -0700 From: "One Imaginary Boy" Subject: Re: (descent) Acoustic Disc I was wondering about that. I picked up a copy of the cd on monday and, well, I do like it for it's refreshing outlook on the songs. But yeah, for sound quality, they do sound like they were recorded on a Boss BR8 with midi sounds rather then a fully fledged studio it's still listenable, but for me it gives me the perception that even legends can release an amateurish sounding album.. of course, I'm looking foreward to the next faith-esq album... Jeff > You've probably all discussed the acoustic disc that > comes with the Greatest Hits but in Australia we only > go the chance to hear it three days ago. > > My boyfriend is trained in audio engineering and in > his opinion the disc sounded terrible. Not with regard > to the bands actual playing but the sound quality. He > particularly felt that the drumming was poorly > recorded and that the guitars sounded dull, without > the usual brightness of an acoustic. He felt that > some tracks were worse than others. > > Does anyone know who was responsible for this side of > things? Or does anyone feel that the disc is > unlistenable for this reason, as my boyfriend does? > > Michelle - - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------ End of descent-digest V1 #49 **************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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