From: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com (dr-digest) To: dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: dr-digest V1 #9 Reply-To: dr-digest Sender: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk dr-digest Tuesday, January 18 2000 Volume 01 : Number 009 Re: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions (dr) Impressions DR650S vs SE vs DR350S (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators Re: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators (dr) brake/tail light?? RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:57:01 -0800 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Knape" To: Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 5:40 AM Subject: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions > And of course: more power / torque at low / mid rpm are always welcome. > Obviously faxtory racing offers a jet kit (thanks for the link Kurt) - I > sent them an email asking for details (price, settings, availability...) > but no reply... I have on order and should receive these jet kits from Factory in a few days. They will sell for $59.95. If you need this jet kit or anything else, let me know. Fred Hink *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Arrowhead Motorsports www.arrowheadmotorsports.com 435-259-7356 fax 435-259-9148 Moab, Utah *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:24:42 -0600 From: "Jan Bradley" Subject: (dr) Impressions DR650S vs SE vs DR350S Hi list, I have had a '92 DR650S, then a '92 DR350S, then my current '98 DR650SE. Here are some comparisons and thoughts. DR350S vs DR650SE street riding: The 650 is a far better street maching than the 350. The extra weight and more power really help here. The suspension on the 650 is very plush on the road without being too soft. This bike really handles great in the tight twisties. Lot's of ground clearance for silly lean angles. As long as the tires will stick, nothing will scrape. The brakes are pretty good too, Far better than a KLR650. The seat is a bit narrow and hard for long hauls, but I have a gel seat so it isn't too bad. I haven't put a lot of miles on this bike yet, so I can't comment on longevity. I have had my DR on the track (road course) for a track day, and had a ball (my Kawasaki ZRX1100 wasn't broken in yet). Handling was good, and the stock tires drifted very predictably. It helped the tires that it was only about 40 degrees. If it had been August 90 degree days I'm sure I would've had tire meltdown. DR350S vs DR650SE dirt riding: The 350 was definately a better trail tool. I had some aftermarket springs on it and it was after all a bit lighter. I could go faster on woods trails on the 350. I'm sure that with the right tires, the 650 could go anywhere the 350 could, just not as fast or graceful. The 650 is a bit heavy and softly sprung for serious off road work. If you're not doing any jumping, the 650's plush ride is nice on the trails. I have also added a White Brothers skid plate to the 650, since it did not come with one, and ground clearance is a bit less than the 350. Also, if you fall over, the 650 is a bit of a pig to pick up, especially if you have to do it a lot. Speaking of weight, I think (from what I have read and an educated guess) that the 650 is only about 50lbs. heavier than the 350 (both full of gas). I think the 350 is about 290# and the 650 about 340#. This extra weight helps more on the street than it hurts in the woods, in my opinion. I wouldn't hesitate to hop on my 650 and ride 400 miles away on two lane highways, but I wouldn't like to on the 350. The 650 enging is also much smoother (less fatiguing buzz). '92 DR650S vs '98 DR650SE: Big difference here. I think the weight was about the same, since the '92 didn't have electric start. The '92 seemed to have a smidge more power than the '98, but the engine wasn't as smooth. the '98 is much more civilized and almost feels like a twin compared to the '92. The suspension was a bit taller (a shade more travel I think) and a bit stiffer on the '92, which is why I remember it being a little better off road than the '98. I had the 350 in between, so comparing is from memory. They were about the same on the highway, but the little more horsepower of the '92 helped here. The '92 seemed to go 80 or 90 mph easier than the '98. One time on the '92 (in Florida during bike week coming back from Bulow to Daytona following friends on big street bikes) I ran many miles just below redline in 5th gear at 104mph. I was tucked in tightly bit still had a bit of a weave going. That's as fast as she would go.. not bad really. And that was with one less tooth on the front sprocket! I don't think the '98 would do that, but I haven't tried. The '98 is less buzzy, more refined, MUCH better suspension, and quieter. I really think they did a lot for the 650 when they did the re-design in '96 or whenever that was. My bike is stock except for the aformetioned skid plate, Acerbis rally hand guards, Suzuki luggage rack and Gel seat. I probably will send the seat off to have some foam added below the gel (it is about an inch or so lower than the stock seat), and I am looking into a Garmin GPS III+. I have also thought about a second set of wheels, then I could have some serious street rubber and some knobbies. This may be a bit cost prohibitive. Anyone who has done this let me know your thoughts.. One quick note on carb tuning... Mine has stock jetting w/stock exhaust. I have done lots of jetting and this one sems a bit lean. All I think is needed though, is to raise the needle just a bit. that should do it. It's pretty good everywhere else. I have drilled out the plug and adjusted the screw too. I hope the comparison was helpful to some of you contemplating and bike change.. Good luck!! JB '98 DR650SE Y2K ZRX1100 '99 Z50R - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: MREINA@webtv.net (Michael Reina) Subject: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators Just got my emulators in today. I already have race-tech .043 kg springs in with 15w oil.(that is what was in the instructions.) What weight oil is best to use with the emulators and .043 kgs springs? (instructions for the emulators says to use 10w or what is normally recommended in bikes manual.) I AM CONFUSED! Does anybody out there have any experience with these two fine Race-tech products, what weight oil works best, and any other tips or things to look out for installing these? THANKS and WELCOME to the list DR650's Mike Reina 93 DR350s 96 R1100R - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:25:06 -0800 From: Bryan Cowger Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators With the damping rod forks and the emulators, oil weight ends up adjusting your rebound rate -- heavier oil naturally gives a slower rebound response. You don't list your weight or riding style, so it's hard to make a recommendation. However, RaceTech is usually very good about their tech support -- give 'em a call! They may also be able to recommend an initial setting for the compression damping and fluid level. Bryan Michael Reina wrote: > > Just got my emulators in today. I already have race-tech .043 kg > springs in with 15w oil.(that is what was in the instructions.) What > weight oil is best to use with the emulators and .043 kgs springs? > (instructions for the emulators says to use 10w or what is normally > recommended in bikes manual.) > I AM CONFUSED! Does anybody out there have any experience with these two > fine Race-tech products, what weight oil works best, and any other tips > or things to look out for installing these? > THANKS and > WELCOME to the list DR650's > Mike Reina > 93 DR350s > 96 R1100R > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:51:55 PST From: "Owen G" Subject: (dr) brake/tail light?? List, i've got a dr350 that has a damaged rear brake/tail light.. I'd like to replace it but i kinda figure that if i am going to spend money on a tail light why don't i get a more "flush" mount... Is there any well recomended 12v brake/tail lights out there that are more flush?? Also, i am going to be pulling the baffle out of my stock exhaust soon, does anyone have any tips or opinions on this matter?? Thanx, Owen '92 dr350s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:41:31 -0000 From: andy.doyle@bt.com Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:drwarr@montana.com] Sent: 17 January 2000 20:17 To: andy.doyle; dr Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 What type of riding do you do there in England? Thanks. tW Do not use quotes in your message. Hi Tom! We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so it's primarily a backroad and commuting machine. There's some forest trails and green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have to go over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance. Most challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders and walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to 20mph, have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in front. For our own safety, of course. I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres (Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining, especially deep mud and wet downhill rock! Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I bought the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially, having been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike. (It was 2am and I got off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays) I ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a mix of the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for dead. Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and wait for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time, and I'm not that good! It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT in the twisties. Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the distance or straight road stuff. I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000 on the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess. Only ride about 360 days a year. The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover! Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the puddle and see some real trails in a few years! In the meantime, 3 of them keep me skint. Cheers Andy '96 DR350 - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:50:53 -0000 From: "Colin Parkes" Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 Andy, have you ever ridden in the Lake District ?? I've been around Coniston/Kendal way with a couple of lads who run Lake's & Dales Trails. Did about 100 miles in a day and only about 5 of them were on a road....... Had an enduro tire on the back and a "Golden Boy" trail tire on the front..... Made things interesting... For our American friends, the people of the Lake District have 57 differents words for rain, and 413 for mud.. later, Col. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:drwarr@montana.com] > Sent: 17 January 2000 20:17 > To: andy.doyle; dr > Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 > > What type of riding do you do there in England? Thanks. tW > > Do not use quotes in your message. > > Hi Tom! We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so it's > primarily a backroad and commuting machine. There's some forest trails and > green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have to go > over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance. Most > challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders and > walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to 20mph, > have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in front. > For our own safety, of course. > > I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres > (Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining, especially > deep mud and wet downhill rock! > > Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I bought > the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially, having > been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike. (It was 2am and I got > off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky > twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays) I > ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a mix of > the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for dead. > Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and wait > for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time, and > I'm not that good! It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT in > the twisties. > > Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the > distance or straight road stuff. I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000 on > the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess. Only ride > about 360 days a year. The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover! > > Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the puddle > and see some real trails in a few years! In the meantime, 3 of them keep me > skint. > > Cheers > > Andy > > '96 DR350 > > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:08:52 -0000 From: andy.doyle@bt.com Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 Hi Col, Nope! Sounds great though. We're trying to organise an offroad weekend for about a dozen people at the minute...there's a Yamaha one and CCM, based in Wales and Yorkshire respectively, that we've been looking at. Do you have a number for the Lakes and Dales people? Could be just what we're looking for. Cheers! Andy DR350 Suffolk, England > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Parkes [SMTP:colinp@rkes.totalserve.co.uk] > Sent: 18 January 2000 10:51 > To: andy.doyle; dr > Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 > > Andy, > > have you ever ridden in the Lake District ?? > I've been around Coniston/Kendal way with a couple of lads who run Lake's > & > Dales Trails. > Did about 100 miles in a day and only about 5 of them were on a > road....... > Had an enduro tire on the back and a "Golden Boy" trail tire on the > front..... Made things interesting... > For our American friends, the people of the Lake District have 57 > differents > words for rain, and 413 for mud.. > > later, > > Col. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:41 AM > Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:drwarr@montana.com] > > Sent: 17 January 2000 20:17 > > To: andy.doyle; dr > > Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000 > > > > What type of riding do you do there in England? Thanks. tW > > > > Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > Hi Tom! We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so > it's > > primarily a backroad and commuting machine. There's some forest trails > and > > green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have > to > go > > over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance. Most > > challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders > and > > walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to > 20mph, > > have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in > front. > > For our own safety, of course. > > > > I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres > > (Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining, > especially > > deep mud and wet downhill rock! > > > > Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I > bought > > the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially, > having > > been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike. (It was 2am and I > got > > off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky > > twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays) > I > > ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a > mix > of > > the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for > dead. > > Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and > wait > > for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time, > and > > I'm not that good! It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT > in > > the twisties. > > > > Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the > > distance or straight road stuff. I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000 > on > > the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess. Only > ride > > about 360 days a year. The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover! > > > > Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the > puddle > > and see some real trails in a few years! In the meantime, 3 of them > keep > me > > skint. > > > > Cheers > > > > Andy > > > > '96 DR350 > > > > > > - > > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of dr-digest V1 #9 ********************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. 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