From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:12:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/30/97 12:54:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> 	I dunno if they extended it or not, but disney.com says the 
>  celebration does end 1/31/98.  Maybe we all just assumed it would end at 
>  the end of the year...<shrug>
>  
>  	Speaking of weird date things....
>  
>  	I assumed that 1997 was the actual 25th Anniv.  If so, why are 
>  the quarters dated 1996?
>  		Peace,
>  			Aahz

     It's a Disney thing. Mickey's 60th birthday celebration lasted for three
years. How long did "40 years of Adventure" last?
     Those Mouseketeers can really throw a party!



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SURPRISE !!!!!! I have lots of these Hoover Dam commerative elongates
Date: 01 Oct 1997 02:42:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 AlinCal2@aol.com wrote:

>     I think this elongate should be worth a multiple elongate trade-------
>      I SOLD one of  these elongates on  E-Bay  for  FOUR  DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!

		E-Bay is not a good place to judge the value of 
elongates.  I won't go into detail here as it's all been said before.  
Simply put, most e-bay elongate prices are too high.  Besides, you said 
yourself you have 'lots' of these available.

		I'm not trying to discourage people from making a trade 
with you just trying to help increase everyone's knowledge.  

	"Every elongate has the same value: what the buyer is willing to 
pay and the seller is willing to take."


		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter? (fwd)
Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:05:16 -0600 (MDT)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

The WDW celebration was extended because, well, because they are making
lots of money.  I think the celebration is running on something like
more than two years now.  

The 26th anniv. celebration was to start this month but I heard the
propertywide celebration will now be in Feb. (after the extension).

I have a feeling the machines will stay for the extension since they are
probably making lots of money on them too.

David




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New elongates page
Date: 01 Oct 1997 16:06:58 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

	There's another new web page offering elongates for sale:

	http://members.aol.com/~ecoins/index.html

	

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Admin stuff
Date: 02 Oct 1997 00:17:18 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

	Xmission (the list ISP) has been having MAJOR problems today.  It 
keeps crashing for short periods of time.  The list has also been very 
slow today.  If this is coinicidence, then all is fine.  However, if you 
sent a message to the list today and never received that message back 
from the list then it has been lost in the ether and needs to be resent.

		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: "Tomita, David" <DTomita@MEDNET.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Admin stuff
Date: 02 Oct 1997 10:14:39 -0700

Location information for Tokyo Disneyland 1997 EC.

Inside the Penny Arcade by exit door.
Cost to press:  100 yen
Machine supplies the coin to be pressed (copper).

And there might be more than one (the person I know didn't look
everywhere).  

David Tomita
Hoping to secure some TDL EC's



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) DLT - EC
Date: 02 Oct 1997 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-02 13:14:35 EDT, you write:

> Location information for Tokyo Disneyland 1997 EC.
>  
>  Inside the Penny Arcade by exit door.
>  Cost to press:  100 yen
>  Machine supplies the coin to be pressed (copper).
>  
>  And there might be more than one (the person I know didn't look
>  everywhere).  
>  
>  David Tomita
>  Hoping to secure some TDL EC's
>  

David;

As soon as you have a scan, you gotta put it up on your web page for us to
see!

-Bob Hoff



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) TRADE ----TRADE --DISNEYLAND HOTEL AREA ELONGATES
Date: 03 Oct 1997 00:51:54 -0400 (EDT)

  DISNEYLAND HOTEL AND ADJACENT HOTEL DISNEY ELONGATES------

  7  ELONGATES ----DOES THIS SOUND INTERESTING TO YOU????

  WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRADE FOR THESE NICE ELONGATES?????

  MAYBE WE CAN WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF TRADE!!!!!

  LET'S TALK!!!!!            Thank you                     E.   Smith



  

  



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TRADE ----TRADE --DISNEYLAND HOTEL AREA ELONGATES
Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-03 00:53:55 EDT, you write:

>  DISNEYLAND HOTEL AND ADJACENT HOTEL DISNEY ELONGATES------
>  
>    7  ELONGATES ----DOES THIS SOUND INTERESTING TO YOU????
>  
>    WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRADE FOR THESE NICE ELONGATES?????
>  
>    MAYBE WE CAN WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF TRADE!!!!!
>  
>    LET'S TALK!!!!!            Thank you                     E.   Smith
>  

Please list the coins, there are a several.

-Bob Hoff



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern calif.)
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:32:34 -0400 (EDT)

  Keep those Knotts elongates ---they may become rare--according to a recent
 news paper article ---Knotts  might be up for sale ---Who knows what will
happen--could this be fact or fiction ---attention -----all elongate
collectors should watch this development!!!!!!

keeping you informed             E.   Smith



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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) Yippy!  Merit Award!
Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT)

Woo Hoo!!!!
	Hey all, guess what came in the mail for me this afternoon?!  TEC 
awarded me, yes _*ME*_ with a MERIT AWARD coin!  I got a letter signed by 
Ray Dillard which reads as follows:

"				Sept 26, 1997
Dear TEC Member
Matt Birchard

Congradulations!  The enclosed Merit Award Coin is presented to you in 
recognition of your servife and/or outstanding contributions towards the 
promotion of the Hobby of collecting Elongated Coins.

This annual award is made to only a very limited few after review and 
approval of the TEC Board of Directors.

Please accept it with our appreciation.

					Sincerely,
					<signature>
					Ray Dillard, V.P.

<This part handwritten in red ink>
P.S. Looking forward to 
meeting you at the
ANA Convention in Portland next year.
			<signature> "

Impressive huh?  And now for the coin description.  It is a 1964 silver 
quarter.  Cool merely for that respect.  Horizontal design with "The 
Elongated Collectors" at the top.  "MERIT AWARD" at the bottom.  TEC owl 
with TEC in the center.  At left "19", at right "97".  Standard dot 
border with Ray's engraver mark by the start slot.  Oh, did I say it is a 
silver quarter?  The design is only 1 1/2" long, and as such the coin 
is not very flattened.  Perhaps as thin as a (pre rolled) dime.  The coin 
is certainly not as large as the few disney quarters I have.  The reverse 
very clearly retains the face of the quarter, with the date and such.  
The design is still slightly raised.
	So, what extrodinary thing did I do to deserve this award?  I'm 
not sure.  Truthfully.  Perhaps the Board of Directors felt that I was as 
good as the next guy, or they recognized my name from the several 
articlaes I've authored, or because of the last article I wrote 
concerning a membership roster that included such wonderful <g> 
recommendations and comments on our club as a whole.  Or maybe someone 
thought they'd award this coin to me because I _think_ (and I stress 
think) that the club may have stiffed me for a few Newsletter Award 
coins, or maybe it was just the luck of the draw.  At any rate, I feel 
deserving and I'm happy to except the award.  What a surprise to find in 
the mail.  Now to write a nice note to Ray.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern calif.)
Date: 04 Oct 1997 08:33:58 -0700

Knott's is looking for 'major investors' with plans for a major
improvement/enlargement of the park, according to the news last week.  I
don't think we have to worry about them closing the park.  (If you have
any doubts, just drive past on a Fri. or Sat. evening between now and
Halloween!!!)

Nancy

AlinCal2@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   Keep those Knotts elongates ---they may become rare--according to a recent
>  news paper article ---Knotts  might be up for sale ---Who knows what will
> happen--could this be fact or fiction ---attention -----all elongate
> collectors should watch this development!!!!!!
> 
> keeping you informed             E.   Smith



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern ca...
Date: 04 Oct 1997 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-03 23:17:30 EDT, you write:

>   Keep those Knotts elongates ---they may become rare--according to a
recent
>   news paper article ---Knotts  might be up for sale ---Who knows what will
>  happen--could this be fact or fiction ---attention -----all elongate
>  collectors should watch this development!!!!!!
>  
>  keeping you informed             E.   Smith
>  

I've heard that they are looking for a partner to expand.  Hope they don't
plan to
change their name.  Disneyland Western? :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Yippy!  Merit Award!
Date: 04 Oct 1997 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT)



Matt;

*Congrads*!!!!

-Bob Hoff



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) locations
Date: 05 Oct 1997 11:51:24 -0500

In trying to start putting together my daughter's Christmas present of a 
billion (seems like) pennies, I can across some which the location 
(state) where they are from has slipped my mind.  Could any of you help 
locate the states for these:

Stone Zoo
Roger Williams Park Zoo
Capron Park Zoo
Geauga Lake Amusement Park



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Maryland Science Center
Date: 05 Oct 1997 11:52:44 -0500

Could someone get me a penny from the center that shows the earth with 
the moon, space shuttle, and flying saucer on it on a pre82 penny?  
Thanks.

Janelle



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) locations
Date: 05 Oct 1997 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT)

Stone Zoo is at 149 Pond Street in Stoneham, MA.  

Good Luck!

Davelle



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Las Vegas casino elongate trade??
Date: 05 Oct 1997 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT)

I have an EXCALIBER and a CIRCUS-CIRCUS  Las Vegas casino elongate penny.
Will trade one of these for some other Las Vegas casino elongated penny on a
pre 82 copper penny--my elongated pennies  are pre82 copper.

Thank you     E.    Smith



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Boulder City--Hoover Dam (50 year commerative elongate) TRADE???
Date: 05 Oct 1997 18:44:42 -0400 (EDT)

Will trade for a commerative pre 82 copper elongate that would be a new
addition to my collection.Let me know what you have to trade --maybe your
elongate is one that I don't have in my collection and we can make a trade.

    Thank you     E.   Smith



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) locations
Date: 05 Oct 1997 19:58:58 -0400

James Henry wrote:
> 
> In trying to start putting together my daughter's Christmas present of a
> billion (seems like) pennies, I can across some which the location
> (state) where they are from has slipped my mind.  Could any of you help
> locate the states for these:
> 
> Stone Zoo
> Roger Williams Park Zoo
> Capron Park Zoo
> Geauga Lake Amusement Park

Pretty sure the Roger Williams Zoo is in Rhode Island and the Capron Zoo 
is in Mass.  (Attleboro I think.)

Ben



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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) locations
Date: 06 Oct 1997 09:30:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-05 12:53:58 EDT, you write:

> Stone Zoo  -- Stoneham, MA
>  Roger Williams Park Zoo -- Providence, RI
>  Capron Park Zoo -- Attleboro, MA
>  Geauga Lake Amusement Park -- Aurora, OH
>  




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From: "Verne R. Walrafen" <Walrafen@Earthling.Net>
Subject: (elongates) Barnes and Noble
Date: 06 Oct 1997 09:13:34 -0500

I saw Pete provide the Barnes and Noble website address:
     http://www.barnesandnoble.com
and thought those without a Browser (there are some people who
still have only EMail believe it or not) might like to see the
text of what Barnes and Noble is offering.

If not, you know where the Delete button is.... :-)
 
Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
Walter Breen / Hardcover / Pub. Price: $100.00 B&N Price: $70.00 --
You Save $30.00 (30%) (Available in 1 - 2 Weeks) 
              
Proof Coins Struck at the U. S. Mints: Updated W. Breen / Paperback
/ B&N Price: $10.00 (Available in 4 - 6 Weeks / Special Order) 
              
Walter Breen's Encyclopedia of United States & Colonial Proof Coins,
1722-1977 Walter Breen / Paperback / B&N Price: $29.95 (Available
in 4 - 6 Weeks / Special Order) 

Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070 (785)945-3800
mailto:Walrafen@Earthling.Net   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen




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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern calif.)
Date: 06 Oct 1997 10:13:06 -0800

This is what i have heard about Knott's...

Knotts is one of the largest amusement parks in the world...and hovers
around 3rd or 4th in the U.S., after the two Disney parks, and depending
on how much of Universal Studios you count, I think.  And Knott's is
entirely family owned.

Family owned enterprises have gone away like many of KNott's former
attractions in Ghost Town...even the Dodgers, the last family owned
major league baseball team will eventually be sold to Rupert
Murdoch...but according to local Southern California news reports, the
Knott families are looking for investors and are seeking to raise
capital to build additions to the park.

I would not be surprised if some old-time Orange County cowboy lend a
hand or that Snoopy and the gang might help out.

I was there at KNott's on a Monday a week after labor day taking
out-of-state guests there and it was great because it was so empty,
there was no wait.  ONly a collected a few elongates, though...

Alan Kita
Torrance California USA

AlinCal2@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   Keep those Knotts elongates ---they may become rare--according to a recent
>  news paper article ---Knotts  might be up for sale ---Who knows what will
> happen--could this be fact or fiction ---attention -----all elongate
> collectors should watch this development!!!!!!
> 
> keeping you informed             E.   Smith



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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern calif.)
Date: 06 Oct 1997 10:17:31 -0800

This is what i have heard about Knott's...

Knotts is one of the largest amusement parks in the world...and hovers
around 3rd or 4th in the U.S., after the two Disney parks, and depending
on how much of Universal Studios you count, I think.  And Knott's is
entirely family owned.

Family owned enterprises have gone away like many of KNott's former
attractions in Ghost Town...even the Dodgers, the last family owned
major league baseball team will eventually be sold to Rupert
Murdoch...but according to local Southern California news reports, the
Knott families are looking for investors and are seeking to raise
capital to build additions to the park.

I would not be surprised if some old-time Orange County cowboy lend a
hand or that Snoopy and the gang might help out.

I was there at KNott's on a Monday a week after labor day taking
out-of-state guests there and it was great because it was so empty,
there was no wait.  ONly a collected a few elongates, though...

But has anyone gone to the original Calico Ghost Town out in the Mojave
lately?  Are there elongates there?

aside:  Calico Ghost Town in San Bernardino County was where the father
of Walter Knott (the patriarch of KNott's) first mined for silver...and
the structures of Calico were copied in Buena Park, except for the Hotel
- that was moved from Prescott, AZ.  Knott's must have had a hand in
developing Calico Ghost Town (they donated it to the county) because I
remember many attractions are similar - mine train ride, the house where
everything is slanted, bottle house, etc.


Alan Kita
Torrance California USA

AlinCal2@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   Keep those Knotts elongates ---they may become rare--according to a recent
>  news paper article ---Knotts  might be up for sale ---Who knows what will
> happen--could this be fact or fiction ---attention -----all elongate
> collectors should watch this development!!!!!!
> 
> keeping you informed             E.   Smith



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Greetings from the west coast
Date: 06 Oct 1997 12:10:39 -0700


Hey,

We had quite a cool vacation and trip!  Plus, we found over 50 pennies!

Lots of information and trading stock.  Stay tuned for it all.

I'm having some trouble getting e-mail from the outside.  I'll let you
all know
when everything is ok.

- Jeff

jdixon@ea.com





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Greetings from the west coast
Date: 06 Oct 1997 16:36:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-06 15:12:58 EDT, you write:

> Hey,
>  
>  We had quite a cool vacation and trip!  Plus, we found over 50 pennies!
>  
>  Lots of information and trading stock.  Stay tuned for it all.
>  
>  I'm having some trouble getting e-mail from the outside.  I'll let you
>  all know
>  when everything is ok.
>  
>  - Jeff
>  
>  jdixon@ea.com
>  

Hi Jeff!

Welcome back!  

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Woo hoo
Date: 06 Oct 1997 19:02:15 -0700


E-mail is all set.  I'll try to get my trading list all setup tonight.

- Jeff




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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) locations
Date: 07 Oct 1997 10:26:35 -0400

James Henry wrote:
> Geauga Lake Amusement Park

This is in Ohio, sort of between Cleveland and Akron, and next to Sea
World of Ohio.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) WDW penny sets
Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:14:27 -0700


Hi Big Al,

Greetings from the west coast!  I was wondering if you had completed the
sets yet.  If so, please send them to the following address:

Jeff Dixon
2727 Edison Street #221
San Mateo, California 94403

Sincerely,

Jeff Dixon




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:23:36 -0700


Hi everybody,

Yes, my e-mail is all set up.  The account defaulted to no-external
e-mail.

I did make it to Niagara Falls on the trip out.  The states I have
pennies
from:
Massachusetts,
New York,
Illinois,
Missouri,
Colorado,
Kansas,
Utah

I pressed between 4-10 per penny.  On the Niagara Fall dimes - yes I
pressed
7 dupes.  I went through rolls of quarters like they were water.  In the
end,
there is lots of new information for the list.

I pressed 1 of each for Janelle and Chris.  However, I found out later
that
an I LOVE YOU penny in New York was unique.  It had hearts around it.
Also, the pennies near Lincoln's tomb and the log cabins I only got a
couple
of.  I didn't think there would be pennies and didn't bring any.  So, I
had to
scrounge as much as I could from the people there.

Coolest penny experience:  St. Louis Science Center.  
We showed up to the entrance a half hour after it closed.  I have my
face
pressed up against the glass and make sounds.  One of the cleaning
people
comes over.  I yell through the glass, "do you have any penny machines?"
I hold up a penny to the glass.  The woman nods.  She yells back "two
dollars."  I nod and run back to the car and get my stuff.  She won't
let me in
so I give her a roll of quarters and pennies.  She presses one of each
and then
skims two dollars off the top for "risking her job."  Hey!  It's all in
the name of
pennies!

I'll have the trading list together tomorrow.  It's been really crazy
here!

- Jeff






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From: "Jeffrey S. Dixon" <jdixon@ccs.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Mexico Locations?
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:33:47 -0400 (EDT)

Yes, there is one in the science museum about 2 hours south of Alburqurque.

- Jeff

-- 
"The road of knowledge is long and winding...Keep to the quest"
jdixon@ccs.neu.edu




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Yippy!  Merit Award!
Date: 07 Oct 1997 15:40:04 -0600 (MDT)

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Woo Hoo!!!!
> 	Hey all, guess what came in the mail for me this afternoon?!  TEC 
> awarded me, yes _*ME*_ with a MERIT AWARD coin!  I got a letter signed by 

	Congratulations Matt!  I guess now we can all say "I knew him
when..." ;)

		Peace,

			Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) FW: WDW penny sets
Date: 07 Oct 1997 14:42:30 -0700

Here's Big Al's response.


>----------
>From: 	Big Al & Pooh Too![SMTP:ramsayal@ix.netcom.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:28 PM
>To: 	Dixon, Jeff
>Subject: 	Re: WDW penny sets
>
>Hi Jeff!
>
>I got your new address previously.  Sorry, I'm not done yet with your penny
>sets.  I was out of town til this past weekend, but will start again. 
>There were also a few machines missing (for service?), so I will have to
>wait and see on those.  Whatever I can't get, I will send the pennies and
>$$ back to you.
>
>Thanks,
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Knotts  Berry  Farm----(tourist attraction in southern calif.)
Date: 07 Oct 1997 15:45:44 -0600 (MDT)

On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> Knott's is looking for 'major investors' with plans for a major
> improvement/enlargement of the park, according to the news last week.  I
> don't think we have to worry about them closing the park.  (If you have
> any doubts, just drive past on a Fri. or Sat. evening between now and
> Halloween!!!)
> 

	Well, Nikki and I were at Knott's Scary Farm this past Saturday
for the 25th Annual Halloween Haunt and it was PACKED!  In fact, it was
almost impossible to get amotel room within a few blocks around KBF which
is saying something in October.

	From what I've heardKBF is just looking to expand (like every
other amusement park in California).  The Friday night Halloween Haunt was
sold out and the Saturday was nearly so.  When we were at the park in
September I'd say it was about equally as crowded as Disneyland was the
next day.  I don't think they're going anywhere.

	Thanks for keeping us informed, though!

			Peace,

				Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-07 14:23:38 EDT, you write:

>  pressed 1 of each for Janelle and Chris.  However, I found out later
>  that
>  an I LOVE YOU penny in New York was unique.  It had hearts around it.
>  Also, the pennies near Lincoln's tomb and the log cabins I only got a
>  couple

HI Jim!

OK, you were waiting for this one!  Did the penny machine at Lincoln's tomb 
press the image of Abe Lincoln into the penny? :-0  

-Bob Hoff



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 15:18:23 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> 
> Hi everybody,

	Welcome home Jeff!

> Yes, my e-mail is all set up.  The account defaulted to no-external
> e-mail.

	Glad you got this worked out.  Two list messages got bounced from 
ya, and I'll forward them directly to ya when I hop back over to xmission.

> I did make it to Niagara Falls on the trip out.  The states I have
> pennies from:
	
	Wow!

> I pressed 1 of each for Janelle and Chris.  However, I found out later

	Great!  We'll need to get together soon for a live trade 
session.  Perhaps you, Mickey and I can get together for pizza and 
trading or something before I leave town.  Anyone else going to be in the 
Bay Area this month?


> Coolest penny experience:  St. Louis Science Center.  

	She must not like her job very much if she thought it was only 
worth two bucks 8-)  The important thing is: You got 'em!  And nopt a bad 
story atteached to 'em to boot!

		Peace,

			Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Elongated Coin Mailing List - Digesting
Date: 07 Oct 1997 16:13:35 -0700 (PDT)


Greetings & Salutations!

	I am sending this message because at one time you either were a 
s*bscriber to The Elongated Coin Mailing List or expressed an interest in 
it.  Many people uns*bscribed due to high volume of messages and asked to 
be placed on a Digested version when it became available.

	The list's ISP has been VERY unhelpful in setting up a digested 
version of the list, so I have finally given up on them and decided to do 
things the hard way.  Beginning this weekend I will be sending out weekly 
Digests of The Elongated Coin Mailing List.  

	If you would like to be placed on the list for the Digested 
version then simply send a message to me <aahz@svpal.org> letting me know 
and I will add your name to the list.

	Thank you for your patience in this matter and I look forward to 
hearing from you all.

		Peace,

			Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:18:42 -0700

>>OK, you were waiting for this one!  Did the penny machine at Lincoln's >tomb
>>press the image of Abe Lincoln into the penny? :-0  

Nope Bob,

It's a picture of the tomb.  I wondered the same thing.  *grin*

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:18:47 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> >>OK, you were waiting for this one!  Did the penny machine at Lincoln's >tomb
> >>press the image of Abe Lincoln into the penny? :-0  
> 
> Nope Bob,
> 
> It's a picture of the tomb.  I wondered the same thing.  *grin*

	So it's a picture of a dead Lincoln on a smashed Lincoln <smirk>


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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:27:46 -0700

>	So it's a picture of a dead Lincoln on a smashed Lincoln <smirk>

That's terrible!




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	The bill for the mailing lists ISP is going to come due the 
second week of December, and is going to be quite a burden.  However, 
there is no way I'm going to let this list die after it has grown so much 
and helped so many. So.....

	Announcing the first ever Elongated Coin Mialing List Auction!  
The auction will be held during the month of November and all proceeds 
will be used to support the Mailing List.  I pay more for the list's ISP 
then I do for my primary ISP cause my primary ISP won't host the list.  
Any funds above and beyond the ISP bill (just over $100) will be put 
towards creating a new domain that will be home to the list itself and 
will host elongates-related web sites, ftp sites, etc.  The domain is 
going to cost roughly $400 to set up and maintain for the first year or so.

	What will be auctioned?  Anything and everything I can get my 
hands on that may possibly be of interest to the members of the list.  
I'm putting up several oldies (including two Columbian Expo coins), 
various modern issues, some painted elongates, elongated 2x2s, an EC 
pamphlet, and a few rolls of copper and/or steel coins.  

	Do you have anything you can donate to the list?  Obviously any 
of the items above are of interest to all here, but anything else the 
list MAY be interested in would be great: non-elongated coins, tokens or 
medals; EC books/magazines, etc; services you can provide; random items 
you have lying around the house; just about anything.  

	Any donations that are not sold will be returned to the donator.

	Thanx in advance for your help!

		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Message for Jim
Date: 07 Oct 1997 18:05:55 -0700

Jim, 

I have an elephant elongate.  Can you please send me your e-mail
address.

Thanks,

- Jeff


>----------
>From: 	Jeffrey S. Dixon[SMTP:jdixon@ccs.neu.edu]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, October 07, 1997 5:56 PM
>To: 	JDixon@ea.com
>Subject: 	Re: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch (fwd)
>
>Forwarded message:
>From owner-elongates@xmission.com Tue Sep 30 01:20:58 1997
>X-UIDL: 756bb8c051554d9d4e0de824c0db7338
>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:17:40 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
>Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
>To: elongates-digest@mail.xmission.com
>In-Reply-To: <19970929.220220.4743.1.JIMABBOT@juno.com>
>Message-ID: <Pine.3.88.9709292211.A1595-0100000@svpal.svpal.org>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Sender: owner-elongates@xmission.com
>Precedence: bulk
>Reply-To: elongates-digest@mail.xmission.com
>
>
>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Jim Thorpe wrote:
>
>> 	I am interested in a penny from Harris Ranch, What is it?
>
>		The Harris Ranch coin is a Eurolink issue:
>	h. "Harris/Ranch" as logo, "Inn & Restaraunt"
>
>		Peace, 
>
>		Aahz
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
>Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
>(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
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>
>
>
>
>-- 
>"The road of knowledge is long and winding...Keep to the quest"
>jdixon@ccs.neu.edu
>
>



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 07 Oct 1997 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Chris Aahz wrote:

> 	Announcing the first ever Elongated Coin Mialing List Auction!  

	Ack!  Forgot one small piece of information: 

	Donations can be sent to:

Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

	Just make sure they'll arrive before October 31st, 'cause I'll be
moving to Pasadena then.  The auction will begin as soon as I get moved in
down there.

		Peace,

				Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "Doug Rukavina" <Doug_Rukavina@studio.disney.com>
Subject: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 07 Oct 1997 13:14:46 -0700

                      LA ZOO LIST                                  10/7/97

Does anyone have a list for the coins at the LA zoo??????

Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.  




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 07 Oct 1997 19:44:37 -0700

Doug,

I was there last Wednesday, and have a complete set.  Let me check
them out and make a listing and I'll post it tomorrow.  Off the top
of my head, there are four machines, which press four coins each.
Two are located near the entrance, outside the gift shops, and the
other are waaaay back in the zoo.  I'll give exact locations and
brief descriptions tomorrow.

Nancy


Doug Rukavina wrote:

>                       LA ZOO LIST
> 10/7/97
>
> Does anyone have a list for the coins at the LA zoo??????
>
> Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.






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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 07 Oct 1997 23:08:49 -0600 (MDT)

On 7 Oct 1997, Doug Rukavina wrote:

> Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.  

	Do you work at the Pier, Doug?  Just curious where you get your
inside information :)

		Peace,

			Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Winchester Mystery House
Date: 07 Oct 1997 22:09:33 -0700 (PDT)

                     Winchester Mystery House Catalog

CA-WMH-1 House Logo
   h. House w/ rifle logo, "Winchester/Mystery House/San Jose,
California"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 5/89         Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-WMH-2 Firearms Museum
   h. Rifle, "Winchester/Mystery/House/'The Gun That Won The West'/
San Jose/California"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 5/90         Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-WMH-3 Products Museum
   h. Flashlight, Bicycle, Hammer, "Winchester/Products Museum/San
Jose, California"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 5/92         Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Paramount's Great America
Date: 07 Oct 1997 22:10:42 -0700 (PDT)


                        Paramount's Great America

CA-PGA-1 Vortex
   h. Concentric circles ending in coaster car logo, "Vortex/Great
America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???
   Notes: Installed before Paramount bought park

CA-PGA-2 Carousel
   h. Carousel Horse, "Paramount's/Great America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-PGA-3 Top Gun
   h. Jet Fighter, Wings Logo, "Paramount's/Great America/Top Gun"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-PGA-4 Fred Flinstone
   v. Fred Flintstone, "Paramount's/Great/America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: 10/96
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-PGA-5 Days of Thunder
   h. Race Car Logo, "Days Of/Thunder/Paramounts/Great America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???

CA-PGA-6 Drop Zone Logo
   h. Logo, "Drop/Zone/Stunt/Tower/Paramount's/Great America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 3/96         Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???

CA-PGA-7 Drop Zone Tower
   v. Ride Tower, "The/Drop/Zone/Stunt/Tower/Paramount's/Great America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 6/96         Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???

CA-PGA-8 Dino
   v. Dino, "Paramount's/Great/America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 3/97         Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Santa Monica Pier
Date: 07 Oct 1997 22:35:01 -0700 (PDT)

                        Santa Monica Pier Catalog

CA-SMP-1 Pier Entrance
   h. View along pier w/ sign arching overhead, "Santa Monica
Pier/California"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-SMP-2 Pacific Park Logo
   h. Logo w/ roller coaster hill, "Pacific Park/Santa Monica Pier"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-SMP-3 Octopus
   h. Octopus, "Pacific Park/Santa Monica Pier"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Queen Mary
Date: 07 Oct 1997 22:35:36 -0700 (PDT)

                        Queen Mary Catalog

CA-QM-1 Logo
   h. Crown logo, "The Queen Mary"
   Border: Beaded
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-QM-2 Front View
   v. Front angled view of ship, "Queen Mary/Long Beach/CA"
   Border: Beaded
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

CA-QM-3 Smokestacks
   h. Side view of QM's three smokestacks, "The Queen Mary/Long Beach,
   CA"
   Border: Beaded
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink





++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 08 Oct 1997 02:01:27 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/7/97 8:57:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> 	Great!  We'll need to get together soon for a live trade 
>  session.  Perhaps you, Mickey and I can get together for pizza and 
>  trading or something before I leave town.  Anyone else going to be in the 
>  Bay Area this month?

I'm in. We could meet somewhere midway. I'm in Newark, Chris in SJ and Jeff
in San Mateo. That would put us...uh oh, in the middle of the bay. We'll
figure something out.
Anyone else going to be in the area? I'm dying to do some more trading. I
just found out that I have a complete Marine World 11 coin set! Will trade
for a cool set like...San Diego Zoo or Knotts!



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 07 Oct 1997 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/97 8:57:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
> 
> > 	Great!  We'll need to get together soon for a live trade 
> >  session.  Perhaps you, Mickey and I can get together for pizza and 
> >  trading or something before I leave town.  Anyone else going to be in the 
> >  Bay Area this month?
> 
> I'm in. We could meet somewhere midway. I'm in Newark, Chris in SJ and Jeff
> in San Mateo. That would put us...uh oh, in the middle of the bay. We'll
> figure something out.

	Well, we could all just happen to break down on the San Mateo 
Bridge at a pre-specified time and enjoy the sun and surf from the small 
emergency parking area ;)

	Seriously, though.  I'm not very concerned with where (as long as 
there's no admission or parking fee).  Either SM or Newark are fine with 
me.  How about either Saturday the 18th or Sunday the 19th?

> Anyone else going to be in the area? I'm dying to do some more trading. I
> just found out that I have a complete Marine World 11 coin set! Will trade
> for a cool set like...San Diego Zoo or Knotts!

	Your Knott's coins went out today, Mickey.  Sorry I lagged, 
but.... well, I'm a flake, there is no excuse.  


		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging stuff
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:34:02 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	I hope y'all find the latest additions to my catalog useful.  As 
always, if you can fill in any of the '??'s then please let me know.  All 
comments, corrections, questions and criticisms are always welcome!

		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Knott's Camp Snoopy
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:39:26 -0700 (PDT)

                    Knott's Camp Snoopy Catalog

MN-KCS-1 MN Outline
   v. Outline of Minnesota, "Knott's/Camp/Snoopy/Mall Of/America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-KCS-2 Logo
   h. "Knott's/Camp Snoopy/The Minntertainment Company"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-KCS-3 Park Map
   h. Map of park showing major attractions, "Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-KCS-4 Camp Bus
   h. Old wooden camp sign, "Camp Bus/Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-KCS-5 Skyscraper
   h. Ferris Wheel, "Skyscraper/Ferris Wheel/Knott's/Camp/Snoopy"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-KCS-6 Paul Bunyans
   v. PB in log, "Paul/Bunyan's/Log/Chute"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-KCS-7 Ripsaw
   h. Logo of track and saw blade, "Ripsaw"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catlogging: Science Museum of Minnesota
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:40:09 -0700 (PDT)

                   Science Museum of Minnesota Catalog

MN-SMM-1 Tyrannosaurus Rex
   h. T-rex, "Tyrannosaurus/Rex/Science Museum of Minnesota"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/97
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

MN-SMM-2 Triceratops
   h. Triceratops, "Triceratops/Science Museum of Minnesota"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

MN-SMM-3 Iggy
   h. Iguana, "Iggy/Science Museum of Minnesota"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Minnesota's Under Water World 
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:41:14 -0700 (PDT)

                Minnesota's Under Water World Catalog

MN-UWW-1 Logo
   h. Logo of shark under dome, "UnderWater/World/Mall of America,
Minnesota"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

MN-UWW-2 Shark
   h. Shark, "Underwater/World/Mall of America, Minnesota"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

MN-UWW-3 Fish
   h. Fish, "Underwater/World/Mall of America, Minnesota"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Valleyfair!
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:41:53 -0700 (PDT)

                        Valleyfair! Catalog

MN-VF!-1 Logo
   h. Stylized lettering logo, "Valleyfair"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-2 Park Skyline
   h. "Skyline" of park showing three flagged towers, arch, coaster,
carousel, and ferris wheel. "Valleyfair!/Family Amusement Park"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-VF!-3 Mascot
   v. Mascot (Man in Ringmaster outfit), "Valleyfair!"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-4 Red Garter
   h. Saloon logo, "Red Garter/Saloon/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-VF!-5 Excalibur
   h. Sword, "Excalibur/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-VF!-6 Dinosaur Pit
   h. Brontosaurus, "Dinosaur/Pit/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-7 Whitewater Country
   h. WC logo, "Whitewater/Country/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-8 Thunder Canyon
   h. TC logo, "Thunder Canyon/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell

MN-VF!-9 Wild Thing
   h. Stylized lettering, "Wild Thing/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-10 Wild Thing Logo
   v. WT log w/ claw marks and face, "Wild/Thing/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

MN-VF!-11 The Wave
   v. TW logo, "The/Wave/Valleyfair!"
   Border: Chain
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Frank Brazzell  Engraver: Frank Brazzell




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Minnesota Zoo
Date: 08 Oct 1997 00:42:32 -0700 (PDT)

                        Minnesota Zoo Catalog

MN-ZOO-1 Daniel Dolphin
   v. Standing Dolphin, "Minnesota Zoo/Daniel Dolphin"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-2 Robert K. Ray
   h. Smiling manta ray w/ sunglasses, diving mask and snorkel,
"Minnesota Zoo/Robert K. Ray"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-3 Simon DeGille
   v. Standing shark w/ ring on necklace, "Minnesota Zoo/Simon
DeGille"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-4 Bear
   v. Standing bear, "Minnesota/Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-5 Dolphin
   v. Jumping Dolphin, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-6 Duck
   h. Duck, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-7 Eagle
   v. Flying eagle, "Minnesota/Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-8 Komodo Dragon
   h. Komodo Dragon, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-9 Manta Ray
   h. Manta Ray, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-10 Moose
   h. HS of Moose, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-11 Owl
   v. Owl on stump, "Minnesota/Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-12 Parrot
   v. Parrot on branch, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-13 Tiger
   h. Lounging tiger, "Minnesota/Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-14 Shark
   h. Shark, "Minnesota/Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-15 Wolf
   v. Wolf, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-16 Sophie Shrimp
   v. Shrimp, "Minnesota/Zoo/Sophie Shrimp"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-17 Arthur Octopus
   v. Octopus wearing glasses, "Minnesota/Zoo/Arthur Octopus"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink

MN-ZOO-18 Starfish
   h. Starfish, "Minnesota Zoo"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/97        Removed: CA
        Roller: Eurolink        Engraver: Eurolink




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(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
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From: TDMD@aol.com
Subject: Re:  (elongates) Elongated Coin Mailing List - Digesting
Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:07:17 -0400 (EDT)

Hello:

Although I enjoy reading and following the E-mail...I find it is owerwhelming
. I would like to be placed on the digested version when it becomes
available.

Thanks

TEC1963
TDMD@aol.com



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Valleyfair!
Date: 08 Oct 1997 10:06:43 -0400 (EDT)

Where is Valleyfair?????



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From: "Mindy Couden" <mcouden@netusa1.net>
Subject: (elongates) elongates-Wisconsin Dells
Date: 08 Oct 1997 09:54:25 -0400

Kind of new to this whole thing.  But have been "watching" all your
messages for the last week.  My son collects elongates quite by accident. 
Didn't know this was such a phenomenon!  What I would like to know if there
are any Wisconsin Dells.  We are going there for the first time at the end
of the month.  I'm interested in ones in Indiana also.  Seems like most of
your messages deal with WDW and California.  Can anyone help us in the
midwest?

mcouden@netusa1.net
 



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Valleyfair!
Date: 08 Oct 1997 10:23:31 -0500

MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Where is Valleyfair?????


It is an amusement park in Shakopee, Minnesota



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) elongates-Wisconsin Dells
Date: 08 Oct 1997 10:24:45 -0500

Mindy Couden wrote:
> 
> Kind of new to this whole thing.  But have been "watching" all your
> messages for the last week.  My son collects elongates quite by accident.
> Didn't know this was such a phenomenon!  What I would like to know if there
> are any Wisconsin Dells.  We are going there for the first time at the end
> of the month.  I'm interested in ones in Indiana also.  Seems like most of
> your messages deal with WDW and California.  Can anyone help us in the
> midwest?
> 
> mcouden@netusa1.net
> 


I live in Minnesota and there are some here.  If interested, let me 
know.  I have heard of some in the Dells but not of exact locations.

Flats



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From: "Doug Rukavina" <Doug_Rukavina@studio.disney.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:58:06 -0700

                      RE>>(elongates) LA ZOO LIST                  10/8/97

Thanx Nancy, I appreciate it.

Doug

Doug,

I was there last Wednesday, and have a complete set.  Let me check
them out and make a listing and I'll post it tomorrow.  Off the top
of my head, there are four machines, which press four coins each.
Two are located near the entrance, outside the gift shops, and the
other are waaaay back in the zoo.  I'll give exact locations and
brief descriptions tomorrow.

Nancy


Doug Rukavina wrote:

>                       LA ZOO LIST
> 10/7/97
>
> Does anyone have a list for the coins at the LA zoo??????
>
> Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.









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From: "Doug Rukavina" <Doug_Rukavina@studio.disney.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:59:25 -0700

                      RE>>(elongates) LA ZOO LIST                  10/8/97

I had done a little work there in the past, and there is supposed to be sort
of revival going on. (but these things can take forever)

On 7 Oct 1997, Doug Rukavina wrote:

> Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.  

	Do you work at the Pier, Doug?  Just curious where you get your
inside information :)

		Peace,

			Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"







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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA ZOO LIST
Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:59:47 -0700

Hi, Doug,

Here's the list, as promised!

Machine 1 - Located on the left as you enter, outside the gift shop.

    V - Koala
    V - 2 Monkeys
    V - Baby Hippo
    V - Giraffe (faces left)

Machine 2 - Located on the right as you enter, outside another gift
shop.
    V - Kangaroo
    H - Lion
    H - Leopard
    H - Swans

Machine 3 - Located at Silverback's Cafe (E on the map)
    H - Tiger
    H - Flamingos
    V - Coyote
    V - Gorilla

Machine 4 - Located at the North America & Africa Snack Area, by the
Giraffe Enclosure (C on the map)
    V - Leopard in tree
    H - Rhino
    H - Mountain Lion
    V - Giraffe (Faces right)

If you need more info, let me know.

p.s. to Bert:  I'll send more complete info for your list soon!

Nancy

Doug Rukavina wrote:

>                       LA ZOO LIST
> 10/7/97
>
> Does anyone have a list for the coins at the LA zoo??????
>
> Also FYI:  Look for the coins to change at Santa Monica Pier.






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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) elongates-Wisconsin Dells
Date: 08 Oct 1997 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT)

There are machines along the main road where all the shops are located. I
know that there is one ( it has four designs in it) by the last group of
 shops just before you over the bridge.   I have heard that there might 3 or
4 machines but haven't seen the others.   Good Luck!





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) FALL TEC News will be late
Date: 08 Oct 1997 11:47:46 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Chris-

 Pass the word that since Howard had the maillist of TEC members, the TEC
News will be withheld until the list can be fully recreated (end of October).
Adele Vogel is inputting names now.

Corey





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) elongates-Wisconsin Dells
Date: 08 Oct 1997 11:55:55 -0700

If you pick up extras, I'd like to trade.
- Jeff

Mindy said:

>>What I would like to know if there are any Wisconsin Dells.  
>mcouden@netusa1.net
> 
>
>



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Cool information I received from Penny Works in Boston
Date: 08 Oct 1997 12:03:42 -0700

Boston Museum of Science

There were three different T-Rex designs.

1.  Horizontal.  Picture of  T-Rex with dots on the bottom
     "Museum of Science, Boston"
     Removed ???

2.  Horizontal.  Picture of T-Rex with no dots and great teeth
     "Museum of Science, Boston"

3.  ?

There were two different lion designs

1.  Vertical picture of lion.  No additional information known.
    REMOVED AFTER 1 DAY.  Supposed to look more like a monkey.

2.  Horizontal picture of a lion.  "Museum of Science, Boston"

Penny Works told me that they *might* bring back the extremely
cool shark penny this fall.  I guess it's to be in line with the current
OMNI
theatre exhibit.  It's a must get!

The Penny Works representative was extremely cool to speak with.  I told
him lots of information about the mailing list.  Plus, I told him about
the
penny scans and the location-keepers.  I told him he should "lurk" on
the
list - and see what kind of information presents itself.

Sorry for the delay in sending this information out - I've been quite
busy.

- Jeff

-------
Jeff Dixon
Software Engineer Electronic Arts





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) elongates-Wisconsin Dells
Date: 08 Oct 1997 12:29:27 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Mindy Couden wrote:

> Kind of new to this whole thing.  But have been "watching" all your
> messages for the last week.  

	Welcome Mindy!

> My son collects elongates quite by accident.  Didn't know this was such 
> a phenomenon!  

	The same can be said for 90% of the list members and probably of 
all the collectors who started in the the last 10-15 years.

> What I would like to know if there are any Wisconsin Dells.  

	Hmmm...let's see what I've got...

	v. Stand Rock, "Wisconsin Dells" across top and "Stand/Rock" at bottom

	Also have three from The House on The Rock in Spring Green (Is this 
near Wisconsin Dells?):

	"World's Largest Carousel" w/ Carousel horse
	"World's Largest Sea Crature" w/ whale
	"The Infinity Room" w/ loooong building
	
	Also in Wisconsin, the Milwaukee Zoo reportedly has seven and the 
Milwaukee library has a dinosaur coin.

>  I'm interested in ones in Indiana also. 

	None of the Location Keepers have any listed for Indiana, but I 
have a few from ParkeCounty (the courthouse and some covered bridges).  
These were rolled by Frank Brazzell so may or may not have been issued at 
machines.

> Seems like most of your messages deal with WDW and California.  
	
	Well, the majority of the active list members live in California 
and CA is also the home of Eurolink (the largest cooin-op machine 
manufacturer).  Disney is just a hot theme in any souvenir/tourist circle.

> Can anyone help us in the midwest?
> 
	Have you checked out the Smashed Coin Locator and/or The 
Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins?

	SCL is at : 
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

	Hitchiker's Guide is at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep.home.htm

	Good Luck! and let us know if you get any more specific locations!

		Peace,

			Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
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Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Indiana location
Date: 08 Oct 1997 12:39:02 -0700


On route 70, I found a tractor elongate at an oasis.  I haven't found my
list
yet from the trip.  As soon as I do, I'll post it.

- Jeff

-------
Jeff Dixon
Software Engineer Electronic Arts





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From: grigoria@sunstroke.sdsu.edu
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongated Coin Mailing List - Digesting
Date: 08 Oct 1997 13:05:44 -0700

Please transfer me to the digests mailing list. The emails do get overwhelming!

        Thanks,

                Aline

                grigoria@sunstroke.sdsu.edu





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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 08 Oct 1997 16:02:32 -0700

That may be true, but I have one from the National Tower in
Gettysburg that has the Bust of Abraham Lincoln on it, so there is a
penny machine that will press the image of Abe onto a penny.

Nancy

Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> >>OK, you were waiting for this one!  Did the penny machine at
> Lincoln's >tomb
> >>press the image of Abe Lincoln into the penny? :-0
>
> Nope Bob,
>
> It's a picture of the tomb.  I wondered the same thing.  *grin*
>
> - Jeff






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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 08 Oct 1997 21:43:38 -0400

Chris,

I will donate a NENA/USS Constitution set, the same on a Dollar, a
6-coin NH set (less the Santa's Village), and a double sided Mt
Washington Cog RR.

Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net





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From: <jkilcoyne@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 08 Oct 1997 20:07:48


CHRIS,  MIGHT HAVE A FEW DONATIONS.  WHATS THE AUCTION BENEFITTING?  
JUST GOT LOGGED INTO THIS SITE SO IM BEHIND TIMES.  JIM



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From: "Kilcoyne" <jkilcoyne@usa.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 08 Oct 1997 20:18:04

SORRY FOR LAST MSG I READ MAIL FOR LASTEST TO EARLIEST.  SEND ME YOUR 
ADDRESS AND ILL SEND SOME DONATIONS JIM




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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Trades  (anyone interested)??
Date: 09 Oct 1997 01:01:58 -0400 (EDT)

Pick what you like -- maybe you have something I want to trade for-- Lets
talk---

1       Movder Grotto ? Masonic elongate
2       Order of the Amaranth 
3       Royal  Arch Mason chapter
4       Horse head
5       Colorado   1876  (was this the year of statehood)?
6       Congratulations
7       Award --Bible class   (ribbon on elongate design)
8       Seasons Greetings

All are Zinc'ers except # 3and #4 these look like coppers.
talk to you later----E.   Smith



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) What about minor "dues"?
Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:54:01 -0700


What if everybody chipped in a buck or two every couple of months?
I would be willing to do it.  I guess it should be on a volunteer basis
only.

It would help Chris and the list out.  Plus, it's only 3-4 pennies
anyways.

*grin*

- Jeff

-------
Jeff Dixon
Software Engineer Electronic Arts





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Any status on Willy?
Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:55:54 -0700


Does anyone know how Willy's feeling?  I haven't heard from him in a
while.

- Jeff

-------
Jeff Dixon
Software Engineer Electronic Arts





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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:01:31 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> I will donate a NENA/USS Constitution set, the same on a Dollar, a
> 6-coin NH set (less the Santa's Village), and a double sided Mt
> Washington Cog RR.

	Wonderful!  Thanks Bob.

> Keep up the good work!

	And thanx again :)

			Peace,

				Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction donations sought
Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:03:05 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Kilcoyne wrote:

> SORRY FOR LAST MSG I READ MAIL FOR LASTEST TO EARLIEST.  SEND ME YOUR 
> ADDRESS AND ILL SEND SOME DONATIONS JIM

	Welcome to the list, Jim!  And thank you.  My address is:

Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) What about minor "dues"?
Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:13:08 -0600 (MDT)

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> What if everybody chipped in a buck or two every couple of months?
> I would be willing to do it.  I guess it should be on a volunteer basis
> only.

	I'd considered asking for straight donations, but decided against
it for several reasons:

	1) It's not really about the money.  I do this 'cause I love it.

	2) Once people start paying for something they begin to feel a
sense of ownership.  While often a good thing, it can also be bad.  People
are much more willing to accept 'flaws' in something they have not paid
for, be it mail bombs inadvertently created by the list-owner, spam, or
snesnless ramblings.

	3) Bookkeeping.  I hate it and certainly don't want to have to do
it if I can avoid it.

	4) I, personally, find requests for donations irritating.  Those
who can't (or don't want to) donate often feel guilty for not doing so.  I
don't want to risk closing anyone out.

	Essentially, that's why I came up with the idea of doing an
auction to help support the list.  This way people get something they want
and still manage to support the list.  If people can't spend money, they
still get the list guilt-free and just miss out on some 'goodies'.  Of
course, once I looked thru what I had to auction I realized that I'd need
more stuff if I was going to have any real success, so I was 'forced' to
make a request for donations.  I don't intend to repeat that plea as I
feel bad enough doing it once.

	Of course, none of this is meant to imply that people shouldn't
feel free to bid extraordinary amounts of money on the auction lots just
to help support the list or send large sums of cash to me without ulterior
motive :)

		Peace,

			Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) What about minor "dues"?
Date: 09 Oct 1997 17:26:06 -0700

[snip]
Chris said...
>	Of course, none of this is meant to imply that people shouldn't
>feel free to bid extraordinary amounts of money on the auction lots just
>to help support the list or send large sums of cash to me without ulterior
>motive :)
>
>If you having trouble spending the large sums of cash you receive,
>I'd be happy to take some off your hands! :)
>
>- Jeff
>
>
> 



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) What about minor "dues"?
Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:31:23 -0500

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> What if everybody chipped in a buck or two every couple of months?
> I would be willing to do it.  I guess it should be on a volunteer basis
> only.
> 
> It would help Chris and the list out.  Plus, it's only 3-4 pennies
> anyways.
> 
> *grin*
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> -------
> Jeff Dixon
> Software Engineer Electronic Arts


Sounds good to me>

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) LA Zoo pennies
Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:36:50 -0500

I would like a set of the 16 available.  I could trade 18 from the MN 
Zoo if anyone is interested.  Thanks.

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) auction
Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:46:09 -0500

Sending 2 from the MN Science Museum, 1 Indian one, and a Thunder Canyon 
from Valleyfair, plus will press a set from Underwater World for it 
also.  

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) want pennies
Date: 09 Oct 1997 22:07:40 -0500

Can someone get me the following pennies from Ft. Worth, TX?
                Ft. Worth
		Zoo-African Savannah
		Zoo-baby giraffe
		Zoo-baby gorilla
		Zoo-baby leopard
		Zoo-bear
		Zoo-elephant
		Zoo-gorilla
		Zoo-Komodo dragons
		Zoo-lion
		Zoo-longhorn
		Zoo-Penguin Island
		Zoo-Raptor Canyon
		Zoo-rhino
		Zoo-tiger	
		Stockyards-inside visitor information center



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) auction
Date: 09 Oct 1997 20:44:06 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Sending 2 from the MN Science Museum, 1 Indian one, and a Thunder Canyon 
> from Valleyfair, plus will press a set from Underwater World for it 
> also.  

	Thanx Janelle!


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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 09 Oct 1997 20:46:11 -0700 (PDT)

                  Universal Studios Hollywood Catalog

CA-USH-1 Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1988         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Very clean die, no noticeable imperfections

CA-USH-1a Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Imperfections around 'I' in Studios

CA-USH-1b Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-2 Jaws - Straight
   v. Shark's head w/ open mouth coming straight up out of water,
"Universal Studios/c Universal City Studios Inc."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-2a Jaws - Straight
   v. Shark's head w/ open mouth coming straight up out of water,
"Universal Studios/c Universal City Studios Inc."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lines not as defined as USH-2, most noticeable in lettering,
   possibly a cast copy of USH-2

CA-USH-3 King Kong
   v. HS of Kong, "King Kong/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-4 Earthquake
   h. Earthquake logo w/ 'cracks' opening between letters and in
background, "I Survived The Big One/Earthquake/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-5 Woody - Split Text
   v. FL Woody, "Woody/Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-5a Woody - Split Text
   v. FL Woody, "Woody/Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: No apparent difference from USH-5

CA-USH-6 Jaws - Angled
   v. Shark w/ open mouth coming out of water at angle, "Jaws/
Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-7 Jaws - Angled - Small
   h. Shark w/ open mouse coming out of water at slight angle, "Ja/ws"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: I believe this coin is NOT an in-park issue, but was rolled
by Willy Massey

CA-USH-8 Jurrasic Park - Flat
   h. JP dino logo, "Jurrasic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1992         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: No noticeable bone structure on dinosaur

CA-USH-9 Bates Motel
   v. House from Psycho, "Universal Studios Hollywood/Bates/Motel/No
Vacancy"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-10 Sword and Scorcery
   v. Head and neck of fire breathing dragon, "Sword and Scorcery/
Universal Studios, Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: 'Sorcery' is misspelled on coin

CA-USH-11 Frankenstein
   v. HS of Frankenstein, "Frankenstein/Universal Studios, Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-12 Feivel
   v. Fievel w/ hat over one eye, "Feivel"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-13 Yabba-Dabba-Doo
   v. Fred Flintstone, "Yabba-Dabba-Doo/Fred/Flintstone"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-14 Jurassic Park - Semi-Flat
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Dinosaur has some texture to it, still no bones

CA-USH-15 Back/Future-Textured
   h. BttF logo, Delorean, "Back/To/The/Future/Universal Studios,
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in BttF logo is textured

CA-USH-16 Backdraft-Textured
   h. Backdraft logo, "Universal Studios/Backdraft/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in logo is textured

CA-USH-17 ET Finger Touch - 3D
   v. ET and Elliot's hands, fingers touching with glow, "E.T."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Both hands are three dimensional

CA-USH-18 ET/USH Logo - Small 3D
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET's head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Hands are three dimensional

CA-USH-19 ET Moon & Bike - Textured
   v. Bike w/ Elliot and ET in front of moon, trees beneath, "ET"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Trees are textured

CA-USH-20 Casper
   v. Casper, "Casper/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-21 Cartoon Studios
   h. Globe, Cartoon airplane, "Universal/Cartoon Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-22 Rocky & Bullwinkle
   v. Rocky and Bullwinkle, "Bullwinkle/Rocket/J. Squirrel/Universal/
Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-23 Chilly Willy
   v. Chilly Willy, "Chilly Willy/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-24 Betty Boop
   v. Betty Boop sitting on logo, "Universal Studios/Betty/Boop/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-25 Universal Studios - Earth
   v. Earth, cartoonish plane, stars and clapboard, "Universal/
Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-26 Beethoven
   v. HS of Beethoven, "Universal Studios/Beethoven"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-27 Woody Woodpecker
   v. Woody Woodpecker, "Woody Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-28 Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Complete second 'E' in Escape visible

CA-USH-28a Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Top of second 'E' in Escape obscured by dot

CA-USH-28b Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Top of second 'E' in Escape and 'D' in Hollywood obscured by
dots

CA-USH-29 Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-29a Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-29b Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-30 ET/USH Logo
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-31 Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-31a Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-31b Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-32 Back to the Future-Flat
   h. BttF logo, Delorean, "Back/To/The/Future/Universal Studios,
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in BttF logo is flat

CA-USH-33 Backdraft - Flat
   h. Backdraft logo, "Universal Studios/Backdraft/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in logo is textured

CA-USH-34 JP - Fully Boned
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Bones in dinosaur fully realized

CA-USH-34a JP - Fully Boned
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Bones in dinosaur fully realized

CA-USH-35 Totally Nickelodeon
   h. Nickelodeon splash, "Universal/Studios/Totally/Nickelodeon/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-36 Rugrats
   h. Rugrats logo, "Universal Studios/Rugrats/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-37 Angelica
   h. Angelica, "Universal/Studios/Angelica/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-38 ET Moon & Bike - Flat
   v. Bike w/ Elliot and ET in front of moon, trees beneath, "ET"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Trees are totally flat

CA-USH-39 ET/USH Logo - Small Flat
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET's head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Hands are flat

CA-USH-40 ET Finger Touch - Flat
   v. ET and Elliot's hands, fingers touching with glow, "E.T."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Both hands are flat

CA-USH-41 Universal Jurrassic Park
   h. T-rex bones, brontosaurus, "Universal/Studios/Jurassic
Park/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-42 I Survived Jurassic Park
   v. JP logo, "I Survived/Jurassic Park/The/Ride/Universal/Studios/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-42a I Survived Jurassic Park
   v. JP logo, "I Survived/Jurassic Park/The/Ride/Universal/Studios/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-43 Jurassic Park - USH
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-44 Jurassic Park T-Rex - h.
   h. Running T-Rex, "Jurassic/Park/T-Rex/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-45 Jurassic Park T-Rex - v.
   v. Standing T-rex, "Jurassic/Park/T-Rex/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-46 Jurassic Park Raptor
   h. Raptor, "Raptor/Jurassic Park/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) USH Locations
Date: 09 Oct 1997 20:49:23 -0700 (PDT)

            Machine Locations at Universal Studios Hollywood
                Compiled by Nikki Langness and Chris Aahz

Universal Studios Store -
  A) CA-USH-28 Escape Reality
  B) CA-USH-29 Lost World
  C) CA-USH-30 ET/USH Logo
  D) CA-USH-31 Theater Marquee

Emporium -
 Front Door -
  A) CA-USH-20 Casper
  B) CA-USH-21 Cartoon Studios
  C) CA-USH-22 Rocky & Bullwinkle
  D) CA-USH-23 Chilly Willy

 Back Door -
  A) CA-USH-24 Betty Boop
  B) CA-USH-25 Universal Studios - Earth
  C) CA-USH-26 Beethoven
  D) CA-USH-27 Woody

Universal Ranch -
  A) CA-USH-9 Bates Motel
  B) CA-USH-10 Sword and Scorcery
  C) CA-USH-11 Frankenstein

Nickelodeon Store -
  A) CA-USH-35 Totally Nickelodeon
  B) CA-USH-36 Rugrats
  C) CA-USH-37 Angelica
  D) CA-USH-31a Theater Marquee

Land Before Time Midway -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-6 Jaws - Angled

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-4 Earthquake

 Machine 3 -
  A) CA-USH-5 Woody - Split Text

 Machine 4 -
  A) CA-USH-1a Logo

Time Traveler's Depot -
  A) CA-USH-32 Back to the Future-Flat
  B) CA-USH-33 Backdraft - Flat
  C) CA-USH-34 JP - Fully Boned
  D) CA-USH-1b Logo

Silver Screen Collectibles -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-14 Jurassic Park - Semi-Flat
  B) CA-USH-15 Back/Future - Textured
  C) CA-USH-16 Backdraft - Textured

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-12 Feivel
  B) CA-USH-5a Woody - Split Text
  C) CA-USH-13 Yabba-Dabba-Doo

Universal Athletic Club
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-1 Logo

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-8 Jurassic Park - Flat

Take One -
  A) CA-USH-17 ET Finger Touch 3D
  B) CA-USH-18 ET/USH Logo - Small 3D
  C) CA-USH-19 ET Moon & Bike - Textured

ET's Toy Closet -
  A) CA-USH-34a JP - Fully Boned
  B) CA-USH-38 ET Moon & Bike - Flat
  C) CA-USH-39 ET/USH Logo - Small Flat
  D) CA-USH-49 ET Finger Touch - Flat

Jurassic Outfitters -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-29a Lost World
  B) CA-USH-41 Universal Jurassic Park
  C) CA-USH-28a Escape Reality
  D) CA-USH-42 I Survived Jurassic Park

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-42a I Survived Jurassic Park
  B) CA-USH-43 Jurassic Park - USH
  C) CA-USH-44 Jurassic Park T-Rex - h.
  D) CA-USH-28b Escape Reality

 Machine 3 -
  A) CA-USH-29b Lost World
  B) CA-USH-45 Jurassic Park T-Rex - v.
  C) CA-USH-46 Jurassic Park Raptor
  D) CA-USH-31b Theater Marquee





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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 10 Oct 1997 01:21:59 -0700 (PDT)

Chris,
	Here are a couple ones that you don't have included in your 
catalog yet.  I'm not totally up on the proper catalogging protocal, so 
here is a bunch of detail and I'll let you do the rest.  :-)  BTW, these 
two coins were the basis of my collection back when I had under 30 
coins.  

Circa 1983, latter part of the summer.  Vertical design.  Dot border, 
dots are somewhat larger than dots on many other coins.  Top: "(c) 
UNIVERSAL CITY STUDIOS INC."  Below:  "FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER"  Picture 
of Frankenstein's Monster, nice raised image.  Head is large with a big 
forehead, the bolts in the neck, and the Monster is wearing a turtle 
neck.  Reverse of my specimen is heavily pitted, actually it is a mess of 
raised bumps.  The reverse roller must have been pretty screwed up.  The 
date is when my dad and I rolled the coin, late summer, 1983.  Oh, there 
is no start slot.

Horizontal Design.  Dot border, except copyright info replaces dots at 
top.  Start slot on left.  Copyright info which replaces dots at top 
reads:  "(c) 1986 UNIVERSAL CITY STUDIOS INC"  Top: "KONGFRONTATION (TM)"  
Below:  "UNIVERSAL STUDIOS (R)"  Picture is of Kong's two hands holding a 
tour bus (Universal tour type bus) and Kong's head behind the bus with 
his eyes looking through the bus.  Mouth is open, nice detail on the 
engraving.  

	So, there ya go.  Sorry folks, I have no spares to trade.  :-(  
And hey Chris, you need to publish a hardcopy version of the catalog once 
you've gotten more stuff listed.  ANd the proper protocal for catalogging 
all issues so that this method can be spread throughout the hobby.  Have 
you written an article for TEC News about it yet?

	Sorry about not keeping in the discussion as much as I'd like, 
but I'm on 4 active (including this one) mailing lists, and welp, just 
two days ago the tech folks at my school (that provide me with free 
e-mail) moved my INBOX because it was bursting with over 250 messages.  
No they weren't all new, just stuff that was still "on the table".  
Anyway, I do read a good number of the messages off this list, so keep 
'em coming.  :-)  

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  psu05922@odin.cc.pdx.edu



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo pennies
Date: 10 Oct 1997 10:18:07 -0700

Hi, Flats,

I have already traded my complete set, but I will be going back to
the zoo in the next week or two, so if you are willing to be
patient, I would be happy to get you a set and trade for the MN
Zoo.  Let me know!

Nancy

James Henry wrote:

> I would like a set of the 16 available.  I could trade 18 from the
> MN
> Zoo if anyone is interested.  Thanks.
>
> Flats






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From: Susan Wilson <swilson@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo pennies
Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:23:48 -0500

How do I get off this list?



At 10:18 AM 10/10/1997 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, Flats,
>
>I have already traded my complete set, but I will be going back to
>the zoo in the next week or two, so if you are willing to be
>patient, I would be happy to get you a set and trade for the MN
>Zoo.  Let me know!
>
>Nancy
>
>James Henry wrote:
>
>> I would like a set of the 16 available.  I could trade 18 from the
>> MN
>> Zoo if anyone is interested.  Thanks.
>>
>> Flats
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo pennies
Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:57:10 -0500

John & Nancy Wooten wrote:
> 
> Hi, Flats,
> 
> I have already traded my complete set, but I will be going back to
> the zoo in the next week or two, so if you are willing to be
> patient, I would be happy to get you a set and trade for the MN
> Zoo.  Let me know!
> 
> Nancy
> 
> James Henry wrote:
> 
> > I would like a set of the 16 available.  I could trade 18 from the
> > MN
> > Zoo if anyone is interested.  Thanks.
> >
> > Flats


I just got a set from the MN Zoo today for trading and it looks like it 
is your set!!!!  I can wait.  Thanks. 

Flats



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 10 Oct 1997 14:23:13 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

>                   Universal Studios Hollywood Catalog
>

Hi, Chris,

Here I go again, messing up your catalog!!!!!

I have three coins you don't list.  They were from the "Star Trek
Adventure" which was there from about 1989 until they closed it to
put the Flintstones in.  The coins are as follows:

h - Star Trek Logo "Star Trek"  (This coin also has the names of
cast members as follows:  Captain/Kirk, Mr./Spock, Dr./McCoy,
Scotty, Chekov, Uhura, Sulu.  The "Star Trek" is in the middle of
the coin, surrounded by the cast names - pretty hard to describe)
Has Dot Border.

h - Star Trek Adventure Logo  "Paramount Pictures/Star
Trek/Adventure/Universal Studios"  Has Dot Border

h - Picture of U.S.S. Enterprise with starry background
"U.S.S./Enterprise"  Has Dot Border

Also, on your location list, you have a typo, showing a coin in ET's
Toy Closet as number 49, instead of number 40.

When you get down here, you can meet the trouble maker that is
responsible for this (my daughter, Wendy).

Nancy





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From: "Tomita, David" <DTomita@MEDNET.ucla.edu>
Subject: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back!  Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 14:48:45 -0700

Disneyland Hotel Monorail penny (DIS-DLH-1) is now for the first time
located at the Disneyland Hotel area (it use to be in Disneyland).  It
can be found in the Neon Cactus Sports Bar and Grill.  I wonder how long
it had been hiding in there?

I might have mentioned this to some of you but Tokyo Disneyland has five
EC's (3 dated 1997) with two more on the way.

Chip 'n' Dale, full length, horizontal, dated 1997
Huey, Dewey and Louie, heads, horizontal, dated 1997
Caste, horizontal, "Tokyo Disneyland", dated 1997

Megara, head on left, "Hercules" horizontal, not dated
Hercules, head on right, "Hercules", not dated

Two more coming Oct. 24
Goofy
Pluto

David Tomita
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back!  Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 14:55:22 -0700

Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Chris,
> 	Here are a couple ones that you don't have included in your 
> catalog yet.  

	Thank you very much!

> I'm not totally up on the proper catalogging protocal, so 
> here is a bunch of detail and I'll let you do the rest.  :-)  

	For the moment, I prefer creating the numbers myself.  I've just 
finished converting "Yesterday's Elongateds" into the new system and will 
start work on Rosato's Encyclopedia when I finally get my paws on one.  
The work with Yesterday's has caused several catalogging revisions and I 
expect the Encyclopedia to cause more.  Until I get that work done, I'd 
prefer to do the catalogging myself in order to keep things internally 
consistent.

> And hey Chris, you need to publish a hardcopy version of the catalog once 
> you've gotten more stuff listed.  

	That's the plan!  Right now I've got a few hundred coins 
catalogged and several thousand with tentative numbers.  After I get and 
convert Rosato's Encyclopedia the first hardcopy editions should be 
coming out.  Until then, the catalog only exists in my mind and on the net.

> ANd the proper protocal for catalogging all issues so that this method can 
> be spread throughout the hobby.  Have you written an article for TEC News 
> about it yet?

	See my comments above regarding publishing the protocol.  
Essentially I don't want to end up with conflicting code numbers and the 
only way I see to avoid those is to have a large number of coins 
pre-catalogged and then assign new numbers thru one person/body of 
persons.  These things are in progress.

	As for publishing in TEC News...I have been told by numerous 
people that creating a new catalogging system will only aggravate those 
who are used to the old system.  I understand this to a degree, but it 
has been impressed upon me that simply creating and encouraging the use 
of this system is going to cause some MAJOR problems with me and TEC.  
Considering the fact that a fair number of TEC insiders have already 
decided I'm a trouble maker I think it's best if I hold off on sharing 
this with them for the moment.  A shame, really, because it will just be 
that much harder to do without their help.

		Peace,

			Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:49:31 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> Here I go again, messing up your catalog!!!!!

	That's what I put 'em up here for!

> I have three coins you don't list.  They were from the "Star Trek

	Thank you.  They've been added.  A new CA-USH ctalog will be 
released in the next few days, so y'all can trash the old one.  With five 
'new' coins I figure it's worth renumbering.   

> h - Picture of U.S.S. Enterprise with starry background
> "U.S.S./Enterprise"  Has Dot Border

	HEY BERT! Is this the coin I traded to you at the Meet?!?

> Also, on your location list, you have a typo, showing a coin in ET's
> Toy Closet as number 49, instead of number 40.

	Ack!  Well, so far that's the only reported typo, so I figure I'm 
doing pretty good 8-)  I'll repost the location list with the new catalog 
numbers as soon as I finish the new catalog numbers.

> When you get down here, you can meet the trouble maker that is
> responsible for this (my daughter, Wendy).

	I look forward to it!

		Peace,

			Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland special issues?
Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:58:06 -0700


Did Disneyland come out with special issues for this month?  I hadn't
heard one way or the other.

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Tomita, David wrote:

> Disneyland Hotel Monorail penny (DIS-DLH-1) is now for the first time

	That's great news!  Thanx, David.

> I might have mentioned this to some of you but Tokyo Disneyland has five
> EC's (3 dated 1997) with two more on the way.

	Wonderful!! Are these all on the machine supplied token?  Do you 
have locations for these machines as well?  

	So, I take it you found a helpful TDL CM or did you contact the 
machine company?

		Peace,

			Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:55:17 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?

	Well, I've just been begging and pleading with anyone I hear 
MIGHT be heading to Japan.  8-)

		Peace,

			Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Aahz@svpal.org
Ex-Vampire Hunter-  	       +  TEC # 2062	    
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder	    
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182                          
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:                 
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List    
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm

> 
> 



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:26:29 -0700

On 10/10/97 4:55 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?
>
>	Well, I've just been begging and pleading with anyone I hear 
>MIGHT be heading to Japan.  8-)
>
>		Peace,
>
>			Aahz

Me too, I have a friend there (Japan) now and have asked him for help 
(via email) but I think he may have headed back here already.

I will be asking some friends (here) from Japan if they have someone that 
can get a batch for us...

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back!  Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:28:37 -0700

On 10/10/97 2:48 PM Tomita, David (DTomita@MEDNET.ucla.edu ) wrote

>Disneyland Hotel Monorail penny (DIS-DLH-1) is now for the first time
>located at the Disneyland Hotel area (it use to be in Disneyland).  It
>can be found in the Neon Cactus Sports Bar and Grill.  I wonder how long
>it had been hiding in there?

David,

I checked that Sports Bar the day after our List Meeting and there were 
no machines in there, so it was added since then.

Bert



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back!  Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 01:23:18 -0400

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?
> 
> - Jeff


Yeah, Do we???

Ben



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Elongated dimes for trade?
Date: 11 Oct 1997 01:56:02 -0400 (EDT)

Does anyone have elongated dimes that they are interested in trading? If you
send me a list of the elongated dimes you want to trade and what you are
interested in---- maybe we can arrange some type of trade.

Thank you    E.   Smith



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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 11 Oct 1997 00:18:47 -0700 (PDT)


> > Chris,
> > 	Here are a couple ones that you don't have included in your 
> > catalog yet.  
> 
> 	Thank you very much!

Not a problem.
> 
> > I'm not totally up on the proper catalogging protocal, so 
> > here is a bunch of detail and I'll let you do the rest.  :-)  
> 
> 	For the moment, I prefer creating the numbers myself.  I've just 
> finished converting "Yesterday's Elongateds" into the new system and will 
> start work on Rosato's Encyclopedia when I finally get my paws on one.  
> The work with Yesterday's has caused several catalogging revisions and I 
> expect the Encyclopedia to cause more.  Until I get that work done, I'd 
> prefer to do the catalogging myself in order to keep things internally 
> consistent.

Sounds good.  The one flaw of the Chris Catalog (I just named it, sounds 
good) is the sequential numbering.  When new issues are discovered which 
predate previous entries, the nice neat format may become a bit ragged, 
but I don't really see a better way, so I think it is fine.  Also, just 
curious, what are you doing about coins which are location specific, like 
Lord's Prayer issues and store cards?  You may have addressed this 
already and I just missed it (I mentioned that I don't read everything 
from this list), but I'm curious.  So the Chris Catalog is in the beta 
testing stage now with us 'net folks.  :-)

> 
> > And hey Chris, you need to publish a hardcopy version of the catalog once 
> > you've gotten more stuff listed.  
> 
> 	That's the plan!  Right now I've got a few hundred coins 
> catalogged and several thousand with tentative numbers.  After I get and 
> convert Rosato's Encyclopedia the first hardcopy editions should be 
> coming out.  Until then, the catalog only exists in my mind and on the net.
> 
Do you have a line on the Rosato Encyclopedia yet?  They are spendy, but 
worth the $.  I suppose I could lend you mine if you wanted.  I've got 
two of the Encyclopedia's, one unopened.  It would cost about $9.00 to 
ship to you, but it is a thought.  I rarely use my open copy now.  You 
could keep it until you'd done the conversion.  LMK.

> > ANd the proper protocal for catalogging all issues so that this method can 
> > be spread throughout the hobby.  Have you written an article for TEC News 
> > about it yet?
> 
> 	See my comments above regarding publishing the protocol.  
> Essentially I don't want to end up with conflicting code numbers and the 
> only way I see to avoid those is to have a large number of coins 
> pre-catalogged and then assign new numbers thru one person/body of 
> persons.  These things are in progress.

Again good points.
> 
> 	As for publishing in TEC News...I have been told by numerous 
> people that creating a new catalogging system will only aggravate those 
> who are used to the old system.  I understand this to a degree, but it 
> has been impressed upon me that simply creating and encouraging the use 
> of this system is going to cause some MAJOR problems with me and TEC.  

Yep, I'd have to tend to agree with the aggravation comments.  You 
represent change and established organizations are resistant to change.  
I just formally learned that in my Organizational Behavior class at 
University.  Puttin' that ed-ju-macation to work right away.  :-)  Yeah, 
I guess there could be some problems, but what could be too MAJOR?  TEC 
is just a bunch of folks that have an interest in these coins.  However, 
you're membership # lets everyone know about when you joined, and anyone 
over 2000 is considered "new" in my book, and I'd suspect many other 
longtime members' perceptions.  But seriously, what could the club do?  
Kick you out?  I don't think so.  

> Considering the fact that a fair number of TEC insiders have already 
> decided I'm a trouble maker I think it's best if I hold off on sharing 
> this with them for the moment.  A shame, really, because it will just be 
> that much harder to do without their help.
> 
The biggest point of aggravation that I can foresee with the Chris 
Catalog is the conversion of the previously exsisting listings in 
"Yesterday's" and Rosato's "Encyclopedia".  Those guys that invented 
those catalogging methods are still around and a conversion has never 
been done to my knowledge.  Meaning Rosato didn't re-number all of the 
Martin-Dow numbers.  Whether you mean to or not, I'm sure you'll make 
them feel like you're "invading" or "altering" their work by re-numbering 
them.  In those guys' minds, their catalogging systems are the end all, 
be all.  Just be aware that relisting a perviously listed coin may ruffle 
a few more feathers than listing an unlisted modern.  Personally I 
approve of it, because I see the Chris Catalog as being much more 
complete and easier to use.  You've got my support and I assume everyone 
on this list supporting you too, so more power to you.  I'll help where I 
can.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 08:53:14 -0500

Bert Creighton wrote:
> 
> On 10/10/97 4:55 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
> 
> >> Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?
> >
> >       Well, I've just been begging and pleading with anyone I hear
> >MIGHT be heading to Japan.  8-)
> >
> >               Peace,
> >
> >                       Aahz
> 
> Me too, I have a friend there (Japan) now and have asked him for help
> (via email) but I think he may have headed back here already.
> 
> I will be asking some friends (here) from Japan if they have someone that
> can get a batch for us...
> 
> Bert


Could you count me in as well in the total count on people who want 
these.  Thanks.

Flats



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland special issues?
Date: 11 Oct 1997 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-10 22:13:14 EDT, you write:

> Did Disneyland come out with special issues for this month?  I hadn't
>  heard one way or the other.
>  
>  - Jeff
>  
>  
Hi Jeff!

I'm going over to check today.  Will report back.

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 10:45:50 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-10 20:36:51 EDT, you write:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>  
>  > Do we have any way of getting the Tokyo DL coins?
>  
>  	Well, I've just been begging and pleading with anyone I hear 
>  MIGHT be heading to Japan.  8-)
>  
>  		Peace,
>  
>  			Aahz
>  

I've gotten to the point of bribes (er ah, I mean incentives :-)!  No coins
yet. 

-Bob Hoff



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland special issues?
Date: 11 Oct 1997 10:01:28 -0500

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-10 22:13:14 EDT, you write:
> 
> > Did Disneyland come out with special issues for this month?  I hadn't
> >  heard one way or the other.
> >
> >  - Jeff
> >
> >
> Hi Jeff!
> 
> I'm going over to check today.  Will report back.
> 
> -Bob Hoff


Don't forget a set for me, if possible.  Thanks.

Flats



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow elongated penny collectors--
I just wanted to say that I am also interested in the Tokyo DL elongated
pennies.If there is someone out there making a list of all the interested
people--please include me.
Thank you    E.   Smith



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DLH-1 is back! Tokyo DL has 5 coins!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT)

If there is list started for the Tokyo DL elongates, please add my name to
the list.   I don't know anyone that will be heading that way but would like
a chance to get the coins.   I have been asking a lot of people, so who
knows, maybe a friend of a friend of a friend????   Maybe one of us will get
lucky.

Thanks!

D. Frisch



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) address
Date: 11 Oct 1997 11:51:47 -0500

I need address for the Wooten's and Bert please.  I have pennies!!!!!

Flats



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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) auction
Date: 11 Oct 1997 11:20:12 -0000

Hi,
I'll donate a few to the cause aahz
I've got a couple rolled on Hong Kong twenty cent pieces.  These coins are
very cool, I think they are what is called fluted (?) the edges of the
coins are wavy. 
I have one from DL and one from Knott's.
Gina

I'll send out ASAP



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 16:23:29 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings All!

Just back from Disneyland.  Hi Martin from San Diego!  (Met him at the Neon
Cactus.
Of course, the restaurant was closed and mostly locked up, but, Martin, his
lady companion, my wife,  daughter and I formed a line at the newly
re-discovered DIS-DLH-1 machine! :-).  What a great location for a
restaurant, built around a penny press! 
Thanks to the poster of that location!

Back to business.....

Checked out the Park, looking for the illusive seasonal sets.  Made it to
Teddy Bearra's Arcade.  Whooooaaa machine number 624, Ursula (v) HS,
Maleficent (v) HS, and the Wicked Witch (v) 3/4 picture, are now on stage.
 Much like last year, but, NO DATE's or "dripping blood" on the ec's.  The
machine has been down more than up and wasn't there on the 3rd of the month,
so guess it's really fresh.  I rolled a *few* coins before it failed again!
 All of you that have posted an interest in these sets before, I'm still
short.  However,  I'll try to roll more when the machine is up and be as fair
as I can when trading them out. (I have a list of interested parties, but, it
wouldn't hurt to reaffirm your interest by e-mailing to me at
roberthoff@aol.com.)  If I can roll an extra set, I will donate it to the
auction.

Back on stage at Teddy Bearra's, is  the DIS-DLH-8, Disneyland Hotel Quarter,
DIS-DL-69, Mickey Quarter and DIS-DL-70, Castle Quarter.

Moved from Teddy Bearra's is machine number 534, Thumper, Bambi, and Flower,
now located at the Country Bear Playhouse with the CBP set.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 14:28:16 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Greetings All!
>
>  Whooooaaa machine number 624, Ursula (v) HS,
> Maleficent (v) HS, and the Wicked Witch (v) 3/4 picture, are now
> on stage.
>  Much like last year, but, NO DATE's or "dripping blood" on the
> ec's.  The
> machine has been down more than up and wasn't there on the 3rd of
> the month,
> so guess it's really fresh.  I rolled a *few* coins before it
> failed again!

I'm going to try to make it to Disneyland tomorrow morning.  If the
machine is up, I'll also get extras.  Everyone keep your fingers
crossed!!!!!

Nancy




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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 18:25:31 EDT

Nancy, 

	How are you today ?

I am still working on My LA ZOO list, I'll send it out for comparison
asap.

I would like 1 each of any new Disney coins you may be able to get.


			Thanks Jim 



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 17:59:56 -0500

Count me in for a set of those holiday pennies.

Flats



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:11:10 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-11 17:30:23 EDT, you write:

> I'm going to try to make it to Disneyland tomorrow morning.  If the
>  machine is up, I'll also get extras.  Everyone keep your fingers
>  crossed!!!!!
>  
>  Nancy
>  

I've called in at 714 999 4560 and asked that the machine be "tuned up" :-)
Nancy, please let us know how it goes ASAP, I can try PM.  I don't think we
should let this one get by us.  The machine will most likely have a short 
stay on stage if it is like last year's villians.  Gotta get while the
gettin' is good! :-)

-Bob 
TEC #2033



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:45:13 -0400 (EDT)

   Hi fellow collectors----













































                                                                           If
someone that goes to Disneyland is able to obtain some of the  Holiday
elongates for me ---I would pay for the cost of the elongate and also mail
you replacement 
pre82 copper pennies plus  some money for postage.

Thank you                E.   Smith



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 21:00:06 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow collectors----
If someone that goes to Disneyland is able to obtain some of the Holiday
Elongates for me ---I would pay the cost of the elongates and also mail you
replacement pre82 copper pennies plus some money for postage.
Thank you          E.   Smith





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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) MN Zoo pennies-catalogging
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:24:31 -0500

The MN Zoo had 3 dinosaur pennies last year.  Here is the description.  
No longer available.  I used Chris's way to list but Chris, you add the 
lettering and numbers.  I know they are Eurolink from the little e and 
also on same machines as still there.

v.  HS T Rex, "Minnesota Zoo"
Border:  Dotted
     Installed:  ??/??       Removed:  ??/??
     Roller: Eurolink        Engraver:  Eurolink

v.  FL T Rex, "Minnesota Zoo"
Border:  Dotted
     Installed:  ??/??       Removed:  ??/??
     Roller:  Eurolink       Engraver:  Eurolink

h.  FL Triceratops,  "Minnesota Zoo"
Border:  Dotted
     Installed:  ??/??       Removed:  ??/??
     Roller:  Eurolink       Engraver:  Eurolink



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) catalogging:  Knott's Camp Snoopy
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:35:22 -0500

There are 2 hand roll machines.  One one by the candy store are the 
following:

Park Map
Paul Bunyans
Ripsaw
Knott's Camp Snoopy-different from other-see below


Other machine by the bumper cars has the following-also hand roller:

Knott's Camp Snoopy
Ferris Wheel
Map of Minnesota
Camp Bus


h.  "Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
Border:  Dotted
     Installed:  ??/??          Removed:  CA
     Roller:                    Engraver:  

I am not going to try to guess the roller and engraver.  Tell me how to 
look and I will look on mine or can roll one for Chris and let him tell.



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Maryland Science Center
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:45:28 -0500

Can anyone get 1 penny from here for me?  I need a pre82 one with the 
earth at the bottom, a space shuttle, flying saucer, and the moon above 
the earth.  Please!!!!

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Needed pennies
Date: 11 Oct 1997 21:34:29 -0500

In going thru Chris's catalog I found the following ones needed (I 
question which ones we NEED) but here goes:

Winchester Mystery House WMH-2 Firearms Museum (working yet ?)

Universal Studios Hollywood-ALL

Now the question is-who of you lucky people who live out in sunny 
California would like to make a set for us poor, cold people in 
Minnesota?  Can offer MN Zoo pennies, MN Science Museum, Knott's Camp 
Snoopy Mall of America, Underwater World, and if you want to wait until 
Valley Fair opens again in the spring of 98 those pennies as well.

I also noticed I do have a King Kong from Universal Studios which is as 
follows:

v.  King Kong with arms in front of head, King Kong/Universal City 
Studio Inc.
Border:  Dotted
     Installed:  ??/??         Removed:  ??/??
     Roller:  ???              Engraver:  ???

Looks very similar to the JA/WS one I have right next to it which I 
think is USH-7 so is this also perhaps a Willy Massey one and not a park 
one?



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:24:18 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I've called in at 714 999 4560 and asked that the machine be
> "tuned up" :-)
> Nancy, please let us know how it goes ASAP, I can try PM.  I don't
> think we
> should let this one get by us.  The machine will most likely have
> a short
> stay on stage if it is like last year's villians.  Gotta get while
> the
> gettin' is good! :-)
>
> -Bob
> TEC #2033

   Good idea!!!  Now if they just haven't taken the machine off
stage to "tune it up" we should be in business.  I'll let you know
when I get home.

Nancy




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Needed pennies
Date: 11 Oct 1997 20:37:43 -0700

James Henry wrote:

> In going thru Chris's catalog I found the following ones needed (I
>
> question which ones we NEED) but here goes:
>
> Winchester Mystery House WMH-2 Firearms Museum (working yet ?)
>
> Universal Studios Hollywood-ALL
>
> Now the question is-who of you lucky people who live out in sunny
> California would like to make a set for us poor, cold people in
> Minnesota?  Can offer MN Zoo pennies, MN Science Museum, Knott's
> Camp
> Snoopy Mall of America, Underwater World, and if you want to wait
> until
> Valley Fair opens again in the spring of 98 those pennies as well.
>
>

Hi, again,

My daughter was at Universal Studios a couple of weeks ago, and got
extras when she got some for me.  She missed a few machines, and
some were out of order, but I have quite a few of them.  When I get
them organized, I'll send you a list of what I have, and you can let
me know if you are interested.  Shouldn't be more than a couple of
days.  Sounds like you might have more I would like.  I'm especially
interested in the Camp Snoopy ECs.  I think they would compliment my
Knott's Berry Farm set nicely.

Nancy




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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Needed pennies
Date: 12 Oct 1997 00:29:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/11/97 8:39:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> James Henry wrote:
>  
>  > In going thru Chris's catalog I found the following ones needed (I
>  >
>  > question which ones we NEED) but here goes:
>  >
>  > Winchester Mystery House WMH-2 Firearms Museum (working yet ?)
>  >

It's usually working, it just makes bad presses.
I'll try to get some more.
Chris lives close by for the time being, maybe he can help.

Mickey



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 01:34:44 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-11 23:26:35 EDT, you write:

> 
>     Good idea!!!  Now if they just haven't taken the machine off
>  stage to "tune it up" we should be in business.  I'll let you know
>  when I get home.
>  
>  Nancy
>  

Hi Nancy;

Me too!  The girl at the counter in the gift shop told me the "Witches" 
penney press has been down a lot in the few days it's been on stage. :-(
Maybe if we push, they'll get it to work before it's gone for the
year.  (Squeeky wheel you know.)


-Bob Hoff



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Quick update
Date: 12 Oct 1997 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> That may be true, but I have one from the National Tower in
> Gettysburg that has the Bust of Abraham Lincoln on it, so there is a
> penny machine that will press the image of Abe onto a penny.


	Actually, Don Adams did a complete numismatic type series back in 
the '70s.  He made beautiful reproductions of the obverse and reverse of 
each type coin issued n the US and rolled them on pennies, nickels and dimes.
So, you can actually get a penny rolled on a penny :)

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 12 Oct 1997 11:59:34 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Sounds good.  The one flaw of the Chris Catalog (I just named it, sounds 

	Actually, it'll probably be known as the Aahz catalog.  General 
consensus amongst collectors is that you refer to a numbering system by 
the author's last name.  I actually prefer Aahz Catalog to CHris Catalog 
anyway.

> good) is the sequential numbering.  When new issues are discovered which 
> predate previous entries, the nice neat format may become a bit ragged, 
> but I don't really see a better way, so I think it is fine.  Also, just 

	Well, after much thought I simply decided to number new finds of 
older issues in a category as the next higher number.  There really isn't 
a better way to do it that I can think of and precedent has already ben 
set in by Martin-Dow in YE.  A few of their listings have issues dated an 
earlier year given a higher number then issues dated later.  (I hope that 
sentence made sense :)
 
> curious, what are you doing about coins which are location specific, like 
> Lord's Prayer issues and store cards?  You may have addressed this 

	Well, I've come up with a new (and I think improved) method of 
catalogging Lord's Prayer coins.  I'll post that info soon.  It's based 
on the Martin-Dow system, only slightly more refined and consistent.  I'm 
considering doing a similar system for Lucky Coins, but haven't worked 
out the details yet.

	Store cards will be addressed in another post later today as I 
have some questions for the group regarding them.

> Do you have a line on the Rosato Encyclopedia yet?  They are spendy, but 
> worth the $.  I suppose I could lend you mine if you wanted.  I've got 


	Well, I know WHERE to get it, and I know it's worth the money, 
I;ve just been really strapped lately.  Once I get moved down south I 
should be able to get one in fairly short order.  If not I just may take 
you up on your generous offer and borrow yours for a while.

> > 	As for publishing in TEC News...I have been told by numerous 
> > people that creating a new catalogging system will only aggravate those 
> 
> Yep, I'd have to tend to agree with the aggravation comments.  You 
> represent change and established organizations are resistant to change.  
> I just formally learned that in my Organizational Behavior class at 
> University.  Puttin' that ed-ju-macation to work right away.  :-)  Yeah, 

	You always knew college would be good for sumthin, dintchya?

> I guess there could be some problems, but what could be too MAJOR?  TEC 
> is just a bunch of folks that have an interest in these coins.  However, 
> you're membership # lets everyone know about when you joined, and anyone 
> over 2000 is considered "new" in my book, and I'd suspect many other 
> longtime members' perceptions.  But seriously, what could the club do?  
> Kick you out?  I don't think so.  

	In order for any project of this scope to be successful it really 
needs the assistance of the long-term TEC members.  They've got the coins 
and the knowledge.  My questioning of the election process this year has 
already got one Board member refusing to correspond with me, and a few 
others VERY leery of anything I have to say.

> The biggest point of aggravation that I can foresee with the Chris 
> Catalog is the conversion of the previously exsisting listings in 
> "Yesterday's" and Rosato's "Encyclopedia".  Those guys that invented 
> those catalogging methods are still around and a conversion has never 
> been done to my knowledge.  Meaning Rosato didn't re-number all of the 
> Martin-Dow numbers.  

	Although I get the impression he did renumber quite a few.  
One of Angelo's recent articles mentions several cross-listings.  I am 
assuming that he still listed them under his system in his book.

> Whether you mean to or not, I'm sure you'll make 
> them feel like you're "invading" or "altering" their work by re-numbering 
> them.  In those guys' minds, their catalogging systems are the end all, 
> be all.  Just be aware that relisting a perviously listed coin may ruffle 
> a few more feathers than listing an unlisted modern.  

	I understand what I'm getting in to, that's why I'm kinda 'lying 
low' with it for now.  Essentially it's really just a modified Martin-Dow 
system.  From what I've seen Martin-Dow is location based and Rosato is 
Roller based.  I don't like the idea of a roller based system for a lot 
of reasons, but I also see where it can be useful for SERIOUS long-term 
collectors and definetly for researchers.  The MArtin-Dow system kind of 
fell apart even within YE.  With so many modern coins being issued it 
falls apart even more.  Everything needs to change with time, and I think 
it's time for this new system.

	The reason I'm converting the old systems is to make the new 
system internally consistent.  It wouldn't do a lot of good for me to 
list the current San Francsico Cliff House issue as CA-SFCH-1 when there 
were several Cliff House coins issued prior to 1965 and likely several 
more between then and now.  The current issue os at least the 12th or so, 
and the only way to find that number is to convert the old systems.

> Personally I 
> approve of it, because I see the Chris Catalog as being much more 
> complete and easier to use.  You've got my support and I assume everyone 
> on this list supporting you too, so more power to you.  I'll help where I 
> can.
> 
	Thank you very much!  I'm going to need all the help I can get working 
on this thing and all the support I can get presenting it to the majority 
of TEC.  Having a Merit Award winner by my side certainly can't hurt :)

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) auction
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:01:04 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, zinful wrote:

> Hi,
> I'll donate a few to the cause aahz
> I've got a couple rolled on Hong Kong twenty cent pieces.  These coins are
> very cool, I think they are what is called fluted (?) the edges of the
> coins are wavy. 
> I have one from DL and one from Knott's.

	Great!  Foreign coins are pretty popular.  

Looks like the auctions coming along great!

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> re-discovered DIS-DLH-1 machine! :-).  What a great location for a
> restaurant, built around a penny press! 

	I'm confused. I thought the Neon Cactus was a bar. And are you 
trying to tell me that they put the machine right in the center of the 
action?  That'd be hella cool!

> Checked out the Park, looking for the illusive seasonal sets.  Made it to
> Teddy Bearra's Arcade.  Whooooaaa machine number 624, Ursula (v) HS,
> Maleficent (v) HS, and the Wicked Witch (v) 3/4 picture, are now on stage.
>  Much like last year, but, NO DATE's or "dripping blood" on the ec's.  The

	Hmmm....my money says this is going to stay after halloween since 
the date's been removed.  Did they redo the characters names in a 
'normal' type-face or did they just remove it entirely?  Essentially I'm 
trying to figure out if they modified the die or re-did it with the same 
images.

> Back on stage at Teddy Bearra's, is  the DIS-DLH-8, Disneyland Hotel Quarter,
> DIS-DL-69, Mickey Quarter and DIS-DL-70, Castle Quarter.

	Hip, hip, hooray!  Maybe their machine tech was on vacation or 
something.  I'm glad this one's back for two reasons: 1) I didn't get 'em 
yet and there was no apparent reason for removal, and 2) This makes it 
less likely for the holiday coins to be put on quarters.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I've called in at 714 999 4560 and asked that the machine be "tuned up" :-)
> Nancy, please let us know how it goes ASAP, I can try PM.  I don't think we
> should let this one get by us.  The machine will most likely have a short 
> stay on stage if it is like last year's villians.  Gotta get while the
> gettin' is good! :-)

	I have a feeling it'll hang around since it's not dated, but I 
still recommend 'Getting while the getting's good".  If it's having this 
many problems it's first few days on stage the machine itself may need to 
be replaced.  Most likely in that case they'd still put the die in 
another machine, but ya never know.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MN Zoo pennies-catalogging
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:

> The MN Zoo had 3 dinosaur pennies last year.  Here is the description.  
> No longer available.  I used Chris's way to list but Chris, you add the 
> lettering and numbers.  I know they are Eurolink from the little e and 
> also on same machines as still there.


	Thanx for the info, Janelle!

	Listing the coins like this, sans numbers, makes things a LOT 
easier for me in the catalogging process.  So, if anyone else wants to 
start reporting coins this way I, for one, would certainly appreciate it 8-)

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) auction
Date: 12 Oct 1997 15:24:36 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow colectors of elongates---
I am sending Aahz a Boulder City/Hoover Dam commerative elongated penny.There
is a lot of detail in the center of this elongate --use a hand lens.
 Talk to you later  --                   Al     Smith   



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) catalogging: Knott's Camp Snoopy
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:

> There are 2 hand roll machines.  One one by the candy store are the 
<snip>
> Knott's Camp Snoopy-different from other-see below
<snip> 
> 
> h.  "Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
> Border:  Dotted
>      Installed:  ??/??          Removed:  CA
>      Roller:                    Engraver:  

	So this is the same as MN-KCS-2 Logo, except it doesn't say 
'Minntertainment..' below it, right?

> I am not going to try to guess the roller and engraver.  Tell me how to 
> look and I will look on mine or can roll one for Chris and let him tell.


	Well, the roller, is who made/placed the machine.  If you can't 
find a name/card on the machine you can sometimes find out from a nearby 
clerk or supervisor.  The engraver is discovered via initials on the 
coin, usually in the border.  The second logo coin is probably a Jim 
Dundon issue and if so, will have the inital 'J' replacing the center dot 
on the bottom and the initial 'D' replacing the the center dot on the top.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) auction
Date: 12 Oct 1997 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 AlinCal2@aol.com wrote:

> Hi fellow colectors of elongates---
> I am sending Aahz a Boulder City/Hoover Dam commerative elongated penny.There
> is a lot of detail in the center of this elongate --use a hand lens.
>  Talk to you later  --                   Al     Smith   


	Thanx!  I just may bid on this one myself <grin>





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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) FALL TEC News will be late
Date: 12 Oct 1997 15:13:56 -0500

Fall? I never got the Summer one. Does anyone know where I can get one?
...
P.O. Box 111812
Carrollton, Texas  75011-1812


----------
> From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
> To: Elongates Mail List <elongates-digest@xmission.com>
> Subject: (elongates) FALL TEC News will be late
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 1:47 PM
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From:WSons@aol.com
> To: aahz@svpal.org
> Subject: Fall TEC News
> 
> Chris-
> 
>  Pass the word that since Howard had the maillist of TEC members, the TEC
> News will be withheld until the list can be fully recreated (end of
October).
> Adele Vogel is inputting names now.
> 
> Corey
> 
> 



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) FALL TEC News will be late
Date: 12 Oct 1997 14:02:13 -0700 (PDT)




On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, ... wrote:

> Fall? I never got the Summer one. Does anyone know where I can get one?
> ...
> P.O. Box 111812
> Carrollton, Texas  75011-1812
> 
	You can contact Corey Wylde, the TECN editor at <wsons@aol.com>.  
He handles the printing and mailing as well as the editing.  If he can't 
help you directly, then he can probably direct you to the proper person.  
If all else fails, let me know and I'll photocopy mine for you.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT)

Does anyone know if WDW has special holiday issues - and if they do, any idea
where the machines would be?



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 15:10:58 -0600 (MDT)

On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know if WDW has special holiday issues - and if they do, any idea
> where the machines would be?
> 
> 

	The holiday issues usually (meaning the last two years) have come
out in November, so start looking for them then.

			Peace,

				Aahz






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Needed pennies
Date: 12 Oct 1997 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:

> I also noticed I do have a King Kong from Universal Studios which is as 
> follows:
<snip> 
> Looks very similar to the JA/WS one I have right next to it which I 
> think is USH-7 so is this also perhaps a Willy Massey one and not a park 
> one?

	It's pretty easy to tell what Willy has rolled once you know what 
you're looking for.  The back of Willy's coins have the image of the coin 
in a type of relief.  I don't really know how to explain this, but if you 
have any coins you KNOW Willy rolled, look at the reverse.  Normally, if 
you can see the image at all it is merely a flat image, whereas Willy has 
a special process that creates a three dimensional image of the reverse 
of the coin.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:26:31 EDT

Chris, 

	I support you 100% percent on the production of your numbering
system & catalog.

			Sincerely Jim



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Needed pennies
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:01:37 -0500

It is from Willy!!



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) catalogging: Knott's Camp Snoopy
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:08:27 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:
> 
> > There are 2 hand roll machines.  One one by the candy store are the
> <snip>
> > Knott's Camp Snoopy-different from other-see below
> <snip>
> >
> > h.  "Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
> > Border:  Dotted
> >      Installed:  ??/??          Removed:  CA
> >      Roller:                    Engraver:
> 
>         So this is the same as MN-KCS-2 Logo, except it doesn't say
> 'Minntertainment..' below it, right?
> 
> > I am not going to try to guess the roller and engraver.  Tell me how to
> > look and I will look on mine or can roll one for Chris and let him tell.
> 
>         Well, the roller, is who made/placed the machine.  If you can't
> find a name/card on the machine you can sometimes find out from a nearby
> clerk or supervisor.  The engraver is discovered via initials on the
> coin, usually in the border.  The second logo coin is probably a Jim
> Dundon issue and if so, will have the inital 'J' replacing the center dot
> on the bottom and the initial 'D' replacing the the center dot on the top.
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz


No, they are two different coins.  The one without the mini info takes 
up more of the coin-Knott's is larger and Camp Snoopy is more spread out 
over the coin.  Also a dotted border v. chain.  Info on the machines is 
RW Vending  612-895-1078.  You guys now have me writing down everything 
off these machines.



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:12:05 -0700

Hooray!!!!!

The Villains Machine was there and working very well this morning.
Ursula could use a little adjustment, but over all everything was
fine.  I rolled several extra sets, so if anyone is interested,
please let me know.  Always willing to help out our friends that
can't get to a location.

Nancy




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From: RobertHoff@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 12 Oct 1997 20:22:45 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

First, thank you to Chris Aahz for poviding this great medium of
communication and to Jim for the heads up about the Disneyana Show. It was
great and I surely would have missed it if it weren't for their help.

I arrived at 10:45 AM for the freebie admission at 11:00 AM.  $10.00 would
get you in at 8:30. I found two maybe three people with ec's for sale.  Most
of them were current issues at Disneyland or at WDW.  Many had Disneyana
cents and quarters for sale.  I was surprised to find a only a few "retired"
coins, no CM issues and no sign of anything like a DIS-DL-1, 10, or 11.  One
seller, a nice guy, mentioned he had sold a dated seasonal set this AM, his
last one! (OK, if you bought this, you know who you are!! :-)  Another seller
had the same but smaller selection.  Prices ranged around $1.00 for cents and
$3.00 quarters that are currently available at Disneyland or WDW.  Retired
nickels (*IF* you got there before they were sold) $5.00 up to maybe $10.00
with the "seasonals" on the lower side and 40th Ann. etc. on the higher side.
 No CM issues found.  Most did not even know what they are. Of course, I
checked for "Dalmations", none to be found.  My "big" purchase was a set of
1996 Villains at $9.00.  My daughter, Stasi, bought a set of 1995 seasonals
for her set at $12.00 and my wife purchased some Disneyana coins for her,
new, just started it today, set of Disneyana ec's. Had hoped to find trading
stock and make a purchase or two for friends, but, selection and price were
not right.  I do think that inventories come and go so the next show may
offer more hard to get issues.


Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033






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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) DL Machine changes and Villians
Date: 12 Oct 1997 20:25:25 -0400 (EDT)

Hi All;

After the Disneyana show, of course, we stopped by the park and checked the
New Villains machine out (Need a number for this one, Aahz! :-).  Although
not perfectly, it was working, even after we left :-)!  Rolled some cents for
trades. 

While at the Penny Arcade, I noticed the Hercules quarter machine
(DIS-DL-89-90-91) was gone. Also the Mickey, Mickey, and Goofy, sports
(DIS-DL- 65,66,67) ec machine was gone.  No new machines found.  I would
suspect that the machines were moved.  A limited search did not find them
however.

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 20:28:25 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-12 15:13:38 EDT, you write:

>  re-discovered DIS-DLH-1 machine! :-).  What a great location for a
>  > restaurant, built around a penny press! 
>  
>  	I'm confused. I thought the Neon Cactus was a bar. And are you 
>  trying to tell me that they put the machine right in the center of the 
>  action?  That'd be hella cool!

Yep, it's a bar, but, I took my 12 year old in, so I'm going to stick with
restaurant! :-)
Actually, it's possible there are other things to do at the Neon Cactus, but,
I only
see penney presses. :-)

>  
>  > Checked out the Park, looking for the illusive seasonal sets.  Made it
to
>  > Teddy Bearra's Arcade.  Whooooaaa machine number 624, Ursula (v) HS,
>  > Maleficent (v) HS, and the Wicked Witch (v) 3/4 picture, are now on
stage.
>  >  Much like last year, but, NO DATE's or "dripping blood" on the ec's.
 The
>  
>  	Hmmm....my money says this is going to stay after halloween since 
>  the date's been removed.  Did they redo the characters names in a 
>  'normal' type-face or did they just remove it entirely? 

I think they are the very much like last year.  Close inspection shows drips
of blood 
on the letters of the name.  However, they are new dies with several small
differences when compared to last year's.

> Essentially I'm 
>  trying to figure out if they modified the die or re-did it with the same 
>  images.

I'd bet new dies.

>  
>  > Back on stage at Teddy Bearra's, is  the DIS-DLH-8, Disneyland Hotel 
> Quarter,
>  > DIS-DL-69, Mickey Quarter and DIS-DL-70, Castle Quarter.
>  
>  	Hip, hip, hooray!  Maybe their machine tech was on vacation or 
>  something.  I'm glad this one's back for two reasons: 1) I didn't get 'em 
>  yet and there was no apparent reason for removal, and 2) This makes it 
>  less likely for the holiday coins to be put on quarters.
  
I was surprized to see the machine, but, I hope the Disneyland Hotel coin
will be redone when the DLH gets a face lift.

-Bob



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:28:51 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:
>
> > Sounds good.  The one flaw of the Chris Catalog (I just named
> it, sounds
>
>         Actually, it'll probably be known as the Aahz catalog.
> General
> consensus amongst collectors is that you refer to a numbering
> system by
> the author's last name.  I actually prefer Aahz Catalog to CHris
> Catalog
> anyway.
>

Hey, Chris,  How about Aahz from A to Z????

Nancy





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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:28:31 -0500

John & Nancy Wooten wrote:
> 
> Hooray!!!!!
> 
> The Villains Machine was there and working very well this morning.
> Ursula could use a little adjustment, but over all everything was
> fine.  I rolled several extra sets, so if anyone is interested,
> please let me know.  Always willing to help out our friends that
> can't get to a location.
> 
> Nancy


Count me in.   Sending yours out Tuesday after the holiday

Janelle



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:30:02 -0500

John & Nancy Wooten wrote:
> 
> Hooray!!!!!
> 
> The Villains Machine was there and working very well this morning.
> Ursula could use a little adjustment, but over all everything was
> fine.  I rolled several extra sets, so if anyone is interested,
> please let me know.  Always willing to help out our friends that
> can't get to a location.
> 
> Nancy

Count me in.  Sending yours Tuesday after the holiday.

Janelle



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:36:51 -0500

Oh how you make us here in the Arctic long for the warmth of California and its 
pennies at shows!!!!  Rained here all day.  Cold coming in.  Means snow :(

Flats



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:40:33 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > re-discovered DIS-DLH-1 machine! :-).  What a great location for
> a
> > restaurant, built around a penny press!
>
>         I'm confused. I thought the Neon Cactus was a bar. And are
> you
> trying to tell me that they put the machine right in the center of
> the
> action?  That'd be hella cool!
>

Actually, the machine is off to the side in a room with game
machines and air hockey, but you do get to wander around the whole
bar before you find it if you come in the right door.  It's a great
machine!  It has the instructions carved into the wooden case.

> > Checked out the Park, looking for the illusive seasonal sets.
> Made it to
> > Teddy Bearra's Arcade.  Whooooaaa machine number 624, Ursula (v)
> HS,
> > Maleficent (v) HS, and the Wicked Witch (v) 3/4 picture, are now
> on stage.
> >  Much like last year, but, NO DATE's or "dripping blood" on the
> ec's.  The
>

Actually, if you look carefully, there appears to be something
running from the bottom of each letter in the name.  It's so small,
it's easy to miss, but I think we have our "dripping blood".

>         Hmmm....my money says this is going to stay after
> halloween since
> the date's been removed.  Did they redo the characters names in a
> 'normal' type-face or did they just remove it entirely?
> Essentially I'm
> trying to figure out if they modified the die or re-did it with
> the same
> images.
>

After comparing them with last years, the look to me like they
re-did the die with the same (or very close) images.  My first
thought was that they had just removed the date from the die, but
the figures have been repositioned so they are closer to the top,
leaving no room for a date.




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NEW DL EC's!
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:48:35 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> After comparing them with last years, the look to me like they
> re-did the die with the same (or very close) images.  My first
> thought was that they had just removed the date from the die, but
> the figures have been repositioned so they are closer to the top,
> leaving no room for a date.

	Okay, then.  Two people say new die, it must be a new die.  So, 
the following can be added to your DIS-DL catalogs:

DIS-DL-98 Ursula w/ blood
   v. HS of Ursula, "Ursula/Disneyland"
	Installed: 10/97	Removed: CA

DIS-DL-99 Maleficent w/ blood
   v. HS of Maleficent, "Maleficent/Disneyland"
	Installed: 10/97	Removed: CA

DIS-DL-100 Wicked Witch w/ blood
   v. Waist up of Wicked Witch, "Wicked Witch/Disneyland"
	Installed: 10/97	Removed: CA

	I'm pretty much assuming the descriptions from what you guys have 
posted, so please correct me if they're wrong.

			Peace,

				Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) catalogging: Knott's Camp Snoopy
Date: 12 Oct 1997 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT)




Thanx Janelle!

	Okay, so here's the listing for the latest KCS coin (which I 
still need for my collection, btw :) -

MN-KCS-8 Logo - Dotted
   h.  "Knott's/Camp Snoopy"
   Border:  Dotted
	Installed:  ??/??          Removed:  CA
        Roller: RW Vending         Engraver: Jim Dundon


> over the coin.  Also a dotted border v. chain.  Info on the machines is 
> RW Vending  612-895-1078.  You guys now have me writing down everything 
> off these machines.

	That's the plan ;)


			Peace,

			
				Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 12 Oct 1997 18:05:57 -0700 (PDT)


	Thanx for the show report Bob!

On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:

> I arrived at 10:45 AM for the freebie admission at 11:00 AM.  $10.00 would
> get you in at 8:30. I found two maybe three people with ec's for sale.  Most

	Out of about how many dealers?

> had the same but smaller selection.  Prices ranged around $1.00 for cents and
> $3.00 quarters that are currently available at Disneyland or WDW.  Retired
> nickels (*IF* you got there before they were sold) $5.00 up to maybe $10.00
> with the "seasonals" on the lower side and 40th Ann. etc. on the higher side.

	Prices seem fairly reasonable given the setting.  Typically 
you're going to find modern/current elongates from coin dealers for 
around a buck.  I could see $5 for the retired coins, though I'd rather 
pay less, these aren't going to be as common as long term machines that 
are now retired.  $10 seems a bit high, but I might pay it for the 1995 
issues.  Of course, at the moment my budget is $0, but these comments are 
'in general'.

>  No CM issues found.  Most did not even know what they are. Of course, I
> checked for "Dalmations", none to be found.  

	I should of thought of this before you went, but....

	You didn't happen to take a couple print outs of my DIsney 
catalog to provide the dealers did you?  If you got any contact info from 
them we could forward 'em copies.  

> My "big" purchase was a set of
> 1996 Villains at $9.00.  My daughter, Stasi, bought a set of 1995 seasonals
> for her set at $12.00 and my wife purchased some Disneyana coins for her,
> new, just started it today, set of Disneyana ec's. Had hoped to find trading

	Sounds like you got some good stuff for the whole family!

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland  Memorabilia   (are you interested)  
Date: 12 Oct 1997 21:41:34 -0400 (EDT)

           A red aprox. 20 inch square bandana with a border around it----
                         (these words are written on the bandana)
                                      

     Happy Trails
   Ron Dominguez
   August  31,1994

It is my understanding that this bandana was an item that guests recieved at
Mr.
Dominguez's retirement party---Mr. Dominguez was a top execuative at
Disneyland
for many years. I think the guests also recieved a Ron  Dominguez elongated
penny---
----I obtained the bandana when I obtained the elongated penny. 
 Is anyone interested in trading some pennies for this bandana? 
Thank you       Al      Smith                                       



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Machine changes and Villians
Date: 12 Oct 1997 22:59:08 -0400 (EDT)


To all list members and my 7th grade English teacher, Miss Beebe;

I have read my posts and apologize for my rpelling. %-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 12 Oct 1997 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT)

 Aahz wrote:
  
>  	Thanx for the show report Bob!
>  
>  On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:
>  
>  > I arrived at 10:45 AM for the freebie admission at 11:00 AM.  $10.00
would
>  > get you in at 8:30. I found two maybe three people with ec's for sale.  
> Most
>  
>  	Out of about how many dealers?

100 + / -

>  
>  > had the same but smaller selection.  Prices ranged around $1.00 for
cents 
> and
>  > $3.00 quarters that are currently available at Disneyland or WDW.
 Retired
>  > nickels (*IF* you got there before they were sold) $5.00 up to maybe
$10.
> 00
>  > with the "seasonals" on the lower side and 40th Ann. etc. on the higher 
> side.
>  
>  	Prices seem fairly reasonable given the setting.  Typically 
>  you're going to find modern/current elongates from coin dealers for 
>  around a buck.  I could see $5 for the retired coins, though I'd rather 
>  pay less, these aren't going to be as common as long term machines that 
>  are now retired.  $10 seems a bit high, but I might pay it for the 1995 
>  issues.  Of course, at the moment my budget is $0, but these comments are 
>  'in general'.
>  
>  >  No CM issues found.  Most did not even know what they are. Of course, I
>  > checked for "Dalmations", none to be found.  
>  
>  	I should of thought of this before you went, but....
>  
>  	You didn't happen to take a couple print outs of my DIsney 
>  catalog to provide the dealers did you?  If you got any contact info from 
>  them we could forward 'em copies.  

Oopps. No. %-(   I could give copies next time out. 
I did get contacts for the two dealers that had a selection of DL / WDW
coins.
I have e-mailed them today asking their ok to forward their addresses to
the list members.  If not, I'm sure I can post the info from their business
cards.

>  
>  > My "big" purchase was a set of
>  > 1996 Villains at $9.00.  My daughter, Stasi, bought a set of 1995 
> seasonals
>  > for her set at $12.00 and my wife purchased some Disneyana coins for
her,
>  > new, just started it today, set of Disneyana ec's. Had hoped to find 
> trading
>  
>  	Sounds like you got some good stuff for the whole family!

I've got to keep the sharks fed or they start looking at my ec's !

-Bob Hoff



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 12 Oct 1997 21:02:43 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	I need a favor.  Can someone go by Kathy's Penny Page and send me 
a description of four of her Knott's Berry Farm coins for me?  I have a 
non-graphical browser, so can't see 'em myself, but need the descriptions 
for the KBF catalog.

	The four I need are:

	Calif. Marketplace
	Inventors Workshop
	Camp Snoopy 
	Mrs. Knott's

		Thanx!

			Aahz





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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland  Memorabilia   (are you interested)  
Date: 13 Oct 1997 01:00:13 -0400 (EDT)

Ron Dominguez was the last member of "Club 55", the original CMs in the park
when it opened on July 17, 1955. He worked his way up to an executive
position from a ride operator.
They had a huge turn-out for his last day. He sailed a keelboat full of
family and friends around the Rivers of America and was surprised when
hundreds of CMs lined the banks waving red bandanas. His "trademark" was the
red bandana. They retired to the Golden Horseshoe for a retirement party. 


In a message dated 10/12/97 6:44:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> It is my understanding that this bandana was an item that guests recieved 
> at
>  Mr.
>  Dominguez's retirement party---Mr. Dominguez was a top execuative at
>  Disneyland
>  for many years. I think the guests also recieved a Ron  Dominguez
elongated
>  penny---
>  ----I obtained the bandana when I obtained the elongated penny. 
>   Is anyone interested in trading some pennies for this bandana? 
>  Thank you       Al      Smith                                       




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 13 Oct 1997 10:20:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-13 01:03:24 EDT, you write:

> Oh how you make us here in the Arctic long for the warmth of California and

> its 
>  pennies at shows!!!!  Rained here all day.  Cold coming in.  Means snow :(
>  
>  Flats
>  

Hey!  It's not that easy down here!  How would you like to have to mow the
lawn
all year long!?

-Bob Hoff



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana show report
Date: 13 Oct 1997 10:11:53 -0500

> 
> Hey!  It's not that easy down here!  How would you like to have to mow the
> lawn
> all year long!?
> 
> -Bob Hoff


Better than shoveling the driveway all year long.



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) DLT and New DL EC's
Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:38:22 -0400 (EDT)


Hi David!

I'm getting close to a deal for the DLT coins and believe that there are a
total of
9.  Don't know what may have been added yet.

Also, I have rolled the new set of "Witches".  Would you like me to send you
a set?

Happy Colleting,

-Bob Hoff



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From: Zarminator@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Sea World
Date: 13 Oct 1997 12:06:46 -0400 (EDT)

 Hi, I am going to Sea World today to get the set. I am going to get 5 sets
to trade, please contact me if you are interested. I will post another letter
if I run out of sets.

                      Kelly



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From: Zarminator@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) New York
Date: 13 Oct 1997 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT)

 Hi, My dear friend just came back from New York and has brought me some
pennies to trade:

1) Statue Liberty
2) EmpireState Building
3) World Trade Center

 I have two sets that I am willing to trade. Please contact me.
  
          
         Kelly



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 13 Oct 1997 12:23:23 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-13 00:06:03 EDT, you write:

> 	I need a favor.  Can someone go by Kathy's Penny Page and send me 
>  a description of four of her Knott's Berry Farm coins for me?  I have a 
>  non-graphical browser, so can't see 'em myself, but need the descriptions 
>  for the KBF catalog.
>  
>  	The four I need are:
>  
>  	Calif. Marketplace
Picture not available.

>  	Inventors Workshop
(H) solid oval boarder, "Knotts" small logo at top. "INVENTORS" over
"WORKSHOP"in smaller letters. Sorry can't make out the image
between the Knott's logo and the word inventors.

>  	Camp Snoopy 
(H) solid oval boarder, "Knotts" small logo at top.  "CAMP" over "SNOOPY"
with
looks like log-style letters.

>  	Mrs. Knott's
(H) Concentric solid boadered ovals, picture in center oval, can't make out 
picture, could be a home with trees.

Hope it helps some.  I can only get a low resolution image. :-(

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sea World
Date: 13 Oct 1997 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-13 12:08:48 EDT, you write:

>  Hi, I am going to Sea World today to get the set. I am going to get 5 sets
>  to trade, please contact me if you are interested. I will post another 
> letter
>  if I run out of sets.
>  
>                        Kelly
>  

Hi Kelly!

Please put me down for a set.  

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) My new home address
Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:49:17 -0700


Since a couple of people have been asking for my home address, here it
is.

Jeff Dixon
2727 Edison Street #221
San Mateo, CA 94403

For the people I owe pennies to - I do have yours!  :)

When I'm not working - I'm either unpacking or trying to spend a little
"adjustment period" time with my wife.  

I didn't forget you all. :)

- Jeff






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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Notes on Monterey, California
Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:27:51 -0700


It turns out the Canery Row Wax Museum had a penny machine two years
ago.  
I don't have any details on what the design was.

Also, I have 99% certain that the otter penny machine and the sailor
machine are from the San Francisco Penny company.
Perhaps they could confirm the Wax Museum penny machine?

On the Leblanc Gallery, where the third penny exists, that's a really
neat store!  Besides visiting the Eurolink machine, I highly
recommend people in the area to check it out.

I pressed extras of all three machines in the area on Saturday (just one
day before John Denver crashed into the same bay).

For the token lovers out there, in the overpass above the wax museum
building is a token machine.  I tried to get one but the machine
was out of order.  If people want more specific information, let me
know.  I'm not a big token person - but I collect some from time to
time.

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catalogging: Universal Studios Hollywood 
Date: 13 Oct 1997 15:03:19 -0700 (PDT)

                  Universal Studios Hollywood Catalog
                        Last Revised: 10/13/97

CA-USH-1 Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1988         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Very clean die, no noticeable imperfections

CA-USH-1a Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Imperfections around 'I' in Studios

CA-USH-1b Logo
   h. USH Marquee logo, "Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Imperfections around bottom of 'y' make it look looped

CA-USH-2 Frankenstein's Monster
   v. HS of Frankenstein, "(c) Universal Sity Studios
Inc./Frankenstein's Monster"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-3 Jaws - Straight
   v. Shark's head w/ open mouth coming straight up out of water,
"Universal Studios/c Universal City Studios Inc."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-3a Jaws - Straight
   v. Shark's head w/ open mouth coming straight up out of water,
"Universal Studios/c Universal City Studios Inc."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lines not as defined as CA-USH-3, most noticeable in
lettering; possibly a cast copy of CA-USH-3

CA-USH-4 Kongfrontation
   h. Kong looking thru a tour bus he's holding, "Kongfrontation/
Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-5 King Kong
   v. HS of Kong, "King Kong/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-6 Jaws - Angled
   v. Shark w/ open mouth coming out of water at angle, "Jaws/
Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-7 Star Trek
   h. ST logo surrounded by names, "Captain/Kirk/Mr./Spock/Dr./McCoy/
Star Trek/Scotty/Chekov/Uhura/Sulu"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-8 Star Trek Adventure
   h. ST Adventure logo, "Paramount Pictures/Star Trek/Adventure/
Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-9 U.S.S. Enterprise
   h. Enterprise on star field, "U.S.S./Enterprise"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: ??/??
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-10 Earthquake
   h. Earthquake logo w/ 'cracks' opening between letters and in
background, "I Survived The Big One/Earthquake/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-11 Woody - Split Text
   v. FL Woody, "Woody/Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-11a Woody - Split Text
   v. FL Woody, "Woody/Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: No apparent difference from CA-USH-11

CA-USH-12 Jaws - Angled - Small
   h. Shark w/ open mouse coming out of water at slight angle, "Ja/ws"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: Willy Massey    Engraver: Willy Massey

CA-USH-13 King Kong - Arms Up
   v. King Kong w/ arms in front of head, "King Kong/Universal City
Studio Inc."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: ??/??
        Roller: Willy Massey    Engraver: Willy Massey

CA-USH-14 Jurrasic Park - Flat
   h. JP dino logo, "Jurrasic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1992         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: No noticeable bone structure on dinosaur

CA-USH-15 Bates Motel
   v. House from Psycho, "Universal Studios Hollywood/Bates/Motel/No
Vacancy"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-16 Sword and Scorcery
   v. Head and neck of fire breathing dragon, "Sword and Scorcery/
Universal Studios, Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: 'Sorcery' is misspelled on coin

CA-USH-17 Frankenstein
   v. HS of Frankenstein, "Frankenstein/Universal Studios, Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1989         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-18 Feivel
   v. Fievel w/ hat over one eye, "Feivel"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1986         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-19 Yabba-Dabba-Doo
   v. Fred Flintstone, "Yabba-Dabba-Doo/Fred/Flintstone"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???

CA-USH-20 Jurassic Park - Semi-Flat
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Dinosaur has some texture to it, still no bones

CA-USH-21 Back/Future-Textured
   h. BttF logo, Delorean, "Back/To/The/Future/Universal Studios,
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in BttF logo is textured

CA-USH-22 Backdraft-Textured
   h. Backdraft logo, "Universal Studios/Backdraft/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in logo is textured

CA-USH-23 ET Finger Touch - 3D
   v. ET and Elliot's hands, fingers touching with glow, "E.T."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Both hands are three dimensional

CA-USH-24 ET/USH Logo - Small 3D
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET's head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1991         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Hands are three dimensional

CA-USH-25 ET Moon & Bike - Textured
   v. Bike w/ Elliot and ET in front of moon, trees beneath, "ET"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Trees are textured

CA-USH-26 Casper
   v. Casper, "Casper/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-27 Cartoon Studios
   h. Globe, Cartoon airplane, "Universal/Cartoon Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-28 Rocky & Bullwinkle
   v. Rocky and Bullwinkle, "Bullwinkle/Rocket/J. Squirrel/Universal/
Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-29 Chilly Willy
   v. Chilly Willy, "Chilly Willy/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-30 Betty Boop
   v. Betty Boop sitting on logo, "Universal Studios/Betty/Boop/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-31 Universal Studios - Earth
   v. Earth, cartoonish plane, stars and clapboard, "Universal/
Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-32 Beethoven
   v. HS of Beethoven, "Universal Studios/Beethoven"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-33 Woody Woodpecker
   v. Woody Woodpecker, "Woody Woodpecker"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-34 Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Complete second 'E' in Escape visible

CA-USH-34a Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Top of second 'E' in Escape obscured by dot

CA-USH-34b Escape Reality
   h. Earth, "Escape Reality/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Notes: Top of second 'E' in Escape and 'D' in Hollywood obscured by
dots

CA-USH-35 Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-35a Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Note: No noticeable difference from CA-USH-35

CA-USH-35b Lost World
   h. LW logo, "The Lost World/Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Note: No noticeable difference from CA-USH-35

CA-USH-36 ET/USH Logo
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-37 Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-37a Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Note: No Noticeable difference from CA-USH-37

CA-USH-37b Theater Marquee
   h. Old style theater marquee, "Studios/Universal/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
   Note: No noticeable difference from CA-USH-37

CA-USH-38 Back to the Future-Flat
   h. BttF logo, Delorean, "Back/To/The/Future/Universal Studios,
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in BttF logo is flat

CA-USH-39 Backdraft - Flat
   h. Backdraft logo, "Universal Studios/Backdraft/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Lettering in logo is textured

CA-USH-40 JP - Fully Boned
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Bones in dinosaur fully realized

CA-USH-40a JP - Fully Boned
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Bones in dinosaur fully realized, no noticeable difference
   from CA-USH-40

CA-USH-41 Totally Nickelodeon
   h. Nickelodeon splash, "Universal/Studios/Totally/Nickelodeon/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-42 Rugrats
   h. Rugrats logo, "Universal Studios/Rugrats/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-43 Angelica
   h. Angelica, "Universal/Studios/Angelica/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-44 ET Moon & Bike - Flat
   v. Bike w/ Elliot and ET in front of moon, trees beneath, "ET"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Trees are totally flat

CA-USH-45 ET/USH Logo - Small Flat
   h. USH marquee logo w/ ET's head and hands coming over top,
"Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Hands are flat

CA-USH-46 ET Finger Touch - Flat
   v. ET and Elliot's hands, fingers touching with glow, "E.T."
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: ???
   Notes: Both hands are flat

CA-USH-47 Universal Jurrassic Park
   h. T-rex bones, brontosaurus, "Universal/Studios/Jurassic
Park/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-48 I Survived Jurassic Park
   v. JP logo, "I Survived/Jurassic Park/The/Ride/Universal/Studios/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-48a I Survived Jurassic Park
   v. JP logo, "I Survived/Jurassic Park/The/Ride/Universal/Studios/
Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1996         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon
    Note: No noticeable difference from CA-USH-48

CA-USH-49 Jurassic Park - USH
   h. JP logo, "Jurassic Park/Universal Studios/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-50 Jurassic Park T-Rex - h.
   h. Running T-Rex, "Jurassic/Park/T-Rex/Universal Studios Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-51 Jurassic Park T-Rex - v.
   v. Standing T-rex, "Jurassic/Park/T-Rex/Hollywood"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon

CA-USH-52 Jurassic Park Raptor
   h. Raptor, "Raptor/Jurassic Park/Universal Studios"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 1997         Removed: CA
        Roller: ???             Engraver: Jim Dundon







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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Notes on Monterey, California
Date: 13 Oct 1997 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> It turns out the Canery Row Wax Museum had a penny machine two years
> ago.  
> I don't have any details on what the design was.

	Hmmm....Does anyone know if this Wax Museum is owned by the same 
company that owns the Hollywood and San Francisco Wax Museums?  Perhaps a 
letter to this company is in order.

> Also, I have 99% certain that the otter penny machine and the sailor
> machine are from the San Francisco Penny company.

	I'm 100% certain on this.  SFPMC even sent me a freebie of one of 
these. 

> For the token lovers out there, in the overpass above the wax museum
> building is a token machine.  I tried to get one but the machine
> was out of order.  If people want more specific information, let me
> know.  I'm not a big token person - but I collect some from time to
> time.

	Thanks for the tip!  I'll be checking this out on my next trip down.

			Peace,

				Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Locations: Universal Studios Hollywood
Date: 13 Oct 1997 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT)

            Machine Locations at Universal Studios Hollywood
                Compiled by Nikki Langness and Chris Aahz

Universal Studios Store -
  A) CA-USH-34 Escape Reality
  B) CA-USH-35 Lost World
  C) CA-USH-36 ET/USH Logo
  D) CA-USH-37 Theater Marquee

Emporium -
 Front Door -
  A) CA-USH-26 Casper
  B) CA-USH-27 Cartoon Studios
  C) CA-USH-28 Rocky & Bullwinkle
  D) CA-USH-29 Chilly Willy

 Back Door -
  A) CA-USH-30 Betty Boop
  B) CA-USH-31 Universal Studios - Earth
  C) CA-USH-32 Beethoven
  D) CA-USH-33 Woody

Universal Ranch -
  A) CA-USH-15 Bates Motel
  B) CA-USH-16 Sword and Scorcery
  C) CA-USH-17 Frankenstein

Nickelodeon Store -
  A) CA-USH-41 Totally Nickelodeon
  B) CA-USH-42 Rugrats
  C) CA-USH-43 Angelica
  D) CA-USH-37a Theater Marquee

Land Before Time Midway -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-6 Jaws - Angled

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-10 Earthquake

 Machine 3 -
  A) CA-USH-11 Woody - Split Text

 Machine 4 -
  A) CA-USH-1a Logo

Time Traveler's Depot -
  A) CA-USH-38 Back to the Future-Flat
  B) CA-USH-39 Backdraft - Flat
  C) CA-USH-40 JP - Fully Boned
  D) CA-USH-1b Logo

Silver Screen Collectibles -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-20 Jurassic Park - Semi-Flat
  B) CA-USH-21 Back/Future - Textured
  C) CA-USH-22 Backdraft - Textured

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-18 Feivel
  B) CA-USH-11a Woody - Split Text
  C) CA-USH-19 Yabba-Dabba-Doo

Universal Athletic Club
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-1 Logo

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-14 Jurassic Park - Flat

Take One -
  A) CA-USH-23 ET Finger Touch 3D
  B) CA-USH-24 ET/USH Logo - Small 3D
  C) CA-USH-25 ET Moon & Bike - Textured

ET's Toy Closet -
  A) CA-USH-40a JP - Fully Boned
  B) CA-USH-44 ET Moon & Bike - Flat
  C) CA-USH-45 ET/USH Logo - Small Flat
  D) CA-USH-46 ET Finger Touch - Flat

Jurassic Outfitters -
 Machine 1 -
  A) CA-USH-35a Lost World
  B) CA-USH-47 Universal Jurassic Park
  C) CA-USH-34a Escape Reality
  D) CA-USH-48 I Survived Jurassic Park

 Machine 2 -
  A) CA-USH-48a I Survived Jurassic Park
  B) CA-USH-49 Jurassic Park - USH
  C) CA-USH-50 Jurassic Park T-Rex - h.
  D) CA-USH-34b Escape Reality

 Machine 3 -
  A) CA-USH-35b Lost World
  B) CA-USH-51 Jurassic Park T-Rex - v.
  C) CA-USH-52 Jurassic Park Raptor
  D) CA-USH-37b Theater Marquee






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Memorabilia (are you interested) 
Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> They had a huge turn-out for his last day. He sailed a keelboat full of
> 
> > It is my understanding that this bandana was an item that guests recieved 
> > at Mr. Dominguez's retirement party---

	Okay, I'm confused again.  Hopefuly one of our Disneyphiles can 
help me out.  I had been given the impression that the Ron Dominguez coin 
was issued at Team Disney Administration during the 1995 Open House.  If 
it was issued along with the bandana at his "farewell pary" then it would 
seem that it was actually handed outat the park itself in August of 1995 
(that's the date on the bandana).  

	Can anyone clarify this for me?

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Information request on two recently picked up ECs
Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:32:31 -0700


Hi everybody,

I picked up two elongates from a coin shop in Monterey, CA this weekend.

One is a picture of the statue Bert described on the Hawaii elongates
list.

The other was is of Jaws.  I'm curious if both are current issues.  The
Hawaii one looks especially old, with a hole
punched on the top.

The Jaws elongate is vertical with a "straight-on" view of Jaws.

Thanks,

- Jeff




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@eahq-exchange.ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Person who collected old video games?
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:02:47 -0500


Hi everybody,

There was a person on the list that collects old video games.  Is that 
person still on the list?

Or, does someone have his e-mail address?  I'm looking for an old 
Commodore 64 video game.

Thanks,

- Jeff





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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sea World
Date: 13 Oct 1997 13:15:31 -0500

Zarminator@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  Hi, I am going to Sea World today to get the set. I am going to get 5 sets
> to trade, please contact me if you are interested. I will post another letter
> if I run out of sets.
> 
>                       Kelly


I am interested!!!

Janelle



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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 20:18:03 -0400 (EDT)


When do you plan to hold the auction again?  I plan to send you a set of 9
pennies from Cedar Point ("America's Roller Coast") in Sandusky, OH.  And
some Cheif Wahoo pennies from Parmatown Mall.  Go Tribe!!!!!

Anyone wanting to trade for the CP set or the Chief rather than wait to bid
on them, let me know.



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 19:54:21 -0500

MarxenSEM@aol.com wrote:
> 
> When do you plan to hold the auction again?  I plan to send you a set of 9
> pennies from Cedar Point ("America's Roller Coast") in Sandusky, OH.  And
> some Cheif Wahoo pennies from Parmatown Mall.  Go Tribe!!!!!
> 
> Anyone wanting to trade for the CP set or the Chief rather than wait to bid
> on them, let me know.

I would like a set from Cedar Point.  Thanks.

Janelle



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 17:59:33 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 MarxenSEM@aol.com wrote:

> 
> When do you plan to hold the auction again?  I plan to send you a set of 9
> pennies from Cedar Point ("America's Roller Coast") in Sandusky, OH.  And
> some Cheif Wahoo pennies from Parmatown Mall.  Go Tribe!!!!!

	The auction will be held after I move (early November).  Items 
being mailed to my current address in San Jose, need to be mailed so as 
to arrive before Halloween.
	
	And Thanx!

		Aahz
		



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) "Mule"?
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:01:49 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	I've been going through some listings by Doug Fairbanks and 
noticed that he uses the term "Mule" to describe several issues.  Anyone 
know what he means by this?

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-13 21:03:38 EDT, you write:

> 	The auction will be held after I move (early November).  Items 
>  being mailed to my current address in San Jose, need to be mailed so as 
>  to arrive before Halloween.

Hmmmm sounds like a Vampire thing. :-)

-Bob Hoff  




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Notes on Monterey, California
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:47:11 -0700

Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> I pressed extras of all three machines in the area on Saturday
> (just one
> day before John Denver crashed into the same bay).
>

Jeff,

We seem to live in a vast news wasteland!  What happened to John
Denver?????

Nancy




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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Notes on Monterey, California
Date: 13 Oct 1997 20:50:19 -0500

John & Nancy Wooten wrote:
> 
> Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> > I pressed extras of all three machines in the area on Saturday
> > (just one
> > day before John Denver crashed into the same bay).
> >
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> We seem to live in a vast news wasteland!  What happened to John
> Denver?????
> 
> Nancy


Plane crash last night.  Dead.



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT)

               Walt Disney World 25th Anniversary Catalog
                        Last Revised: 10/13/97

DIS-WDW25-1 Minnie Quarter
   v. Minnie Mouse under logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Morse
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-2 Simba Quarter
   v. Simba lying on rock over logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-3 Genie Quarter
   v. Aladdin's Genie 'coming out' of logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Beaded
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-4 Ariel Quarter
   v. Ariel sitting on logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Zigzag
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-5 Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey below logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Custom
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-6 Dopey Quarter
   v. Dopey over logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Zigzag
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-7 Lumiere Quarter
   v. Lumiere under logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Long Beads
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-8 Donald Quarter
   v. Donald under logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Wire
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-9 Goofy Quarter
   v. Goofy leaning on logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Custom
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-10 Quasimodo Quarter
   v. Quasimodo holding shield w/ logo on it, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Beaded
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-11 Tinkerbell Quarter
   v. Tinkerbell flying above logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Diamonds
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-12 Pocahontas Quarter
   v. Pocahontas leaning on shield w/ logo on it, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Custom
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA

DIS-WDW25-13 Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Mickey's of Hollywood

DIS-WDW25-13a Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Mickey's Gift Station

DIS-WDW25-13b Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Frontierland Shooting Gallery

DIS-WDW25-13c Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Fantasy Fare

DIS-WDW25-13d Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Tomorrowland Light & Power Arcade

DIS-WDW25-13e Mickey w/ Stars Quarter
   v. Sorcerer Mickey, stars surrounding logo, "1996/2/5"
   Border: Rope
        Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
   Note: Machine at Mickey's Star Traders






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:59:22 -0700 (PDT)


>                Walt Disney World 25th Anniversary Catalog
>                         Last Revised: 10/13/97

	Okay, I need a little help with these.  First, I need names for 
the borders on the following coins:

> DIS-WDW25-5 Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
>    v. Sorcerer Mickey below logo, "1996/2/5"
>    Border: Custom
>         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
> 
> DIS-WDW25-9 Goofy Quarter
>    v. Goofy leaning on logo, "1996/2/5"
>    Border: Custom
>         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
> 
> DIS-WDW25-12 Pocahontas Quarter
>    v. Pocahontas leaning on shield w/ logo on it, "1996/2/5"
>    Border: Custom
>         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
> 

	Also, does anyone have examples of DIS-WDW25-13 that they KNOW 
which machine they came from?  I'd like to compare some of these to 
discover if there are any differences.

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Mule"?
Date: 13 Oct 1997 22:02:27 -0400 (EDT)

Howard explained that it is a coin with a pressing on the reverse side. The
Santa Cruz Beach and Boardwalk is an example. 
BTW, I just happen to have three available for three people who would like to
see it for themselves.

Mickey.

In a message dated 10/13/97 6:06:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Greetings & Salutations!
>  
>  	I've been going through some listings by Doug Fairbanks and 
>  noticed that he uses the term "Mule" to describe several issues.  Anyone 
>  know what he means by this?
>  
>  		Peace,
>  
>  			Aahz
>  




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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 21:51:52 -0400

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-13 21:03:38 EDT, you write:
> 
> >       The auction will be held after I move (early November).  Items
> >  being mailed to my current address in San Jose, need to be mailed so as
> >  to arrive before Halloween.
> 
> Hmmmm sounds like a Vampire thing. :-)
> 
> -Bob Hoff

THIS is a vampire thing :-= (Fangs... get it?)

Ben



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Notes on Monterey, California
Date: 13 Oct 1997 19:38:09 -0700

James Henry wrote:

> John & Nancy Wooten wrote:
> >
> > Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> >
> > > I pressed extras of all three machines in the area on Saturday
>
> > > (just one
> > > day before John Denver crashed into the same bay).
> > >
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > We seem to live in a vast news wasteland!  What happened to John
>
> > Denver?????
> >
> > Nancy
>
> Plane crash last night.  Dead.

Would you believe I just went into the other room to tell my
husband, and during halftime of the football game they came on and
promised to tell about it at 11:00 p.m. tonight.  I can't believe
how long it takes to get news from somewhere only a few hours
away!!!!!

Nancy





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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Trades (Is anyone interested)?
Date: 14 Oct 1997 00:08:00 -0400 (EDT)

Elongates for trade  (Is anyone interested)

Royal order of Jesters
Vigo county court house -built 1885  (two of these)
Markle house -built 1884  (two of these)
Fenton  ,Michigan--Depot bldg.
Fenton,Michigan--seminary bldg.
Bethesda-1834-1984-dome shaped structure in the center of the elongate
Terra haute house-built--1880--7th and Wabash
1992--North Dakota-vote republican-elephant on elongate
Philidelphia 76 er's---rokund ball in center of elongate 1991--1992
Fashion cafe  (merry go round)
Philideliphia # 1 fan--(sixers  flyers)
King  Louie
Peoria Chiefs--1992 class  A--Indian head in center of the elongate
Indian head at top of the elongate --something that looks like a dream
catcher at the bottom of the elongate
Psittacosaurus Dino.--picture of Dino. skeleton on the  elongate

Look these over---if you see something interesting --lets talk --maybe you
have something I would like to trade for.
Thank  you      Al       Smith






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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) "Mule"?
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:19:51 -0700

It's an old cranky coin that's a pain in the *ss.

Just had to be said...

- Jeff


>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Chris Aahz [SMTP:aahz@svpal.org]
>Sent:	Monday, October 13, 1997 6:02 PM
>To:	Elongates Mail List
>Subject:	(elongates) "Mule"?
>
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
>	I've been going through some listings by Doug Fairbanks and 
>noticed that he uses the term "Mule" to describe several issues.  Anyone 
>know what he means by this?
>
>		Peace,
>
>			Aahz
>
>
>



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Auction
Date: 13 Oct 1997 19:14:00 -0700

Oh boy.
>THIS is a vampire thing :-= (Fangs... get it?)
>



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 13 Oct 1997 19:03:51 -0700

Are the DIS-WDW25-13 issues all identical?

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 13 Oct 1997 21:25:50 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Are the DIS-WDW25-13 issues all identical?

	They all have the same general design, but it is VERY rare for 
two seperate dies to be absolutely identical.  That's why I need to know 
if anyone knows what machine their coin came from.  So I can compare 'em 
and find out what, if any, variations exist amongst them.

		Peace,

			Aahz

BTW, If anyone does not have the WDW25 set, a set of the first 12 will be 
in the auction.

		



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) (off-topic) John Denver died yesterday 
Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:55:59 -0700

John Denver yesterday died when his plane crashed into Monterey Bay.
Noone else was on board.

Pretty spooky.

- Jeff


>



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Elongated coins (fwd)
Date: 14 Oct 1997 01:58:54 -0700 (PDT)


	I'm forwarding this message to the list in case any of you are 
interested.  If so, please contact him DIRECTLY as he is not a member of 
the list.


---------- Forwarded message ----------

I just discovered your list   I have some elongated coins and I also believe
that I may have a couple catalogs somewhere   I have Danny Crabbs set or most
of them--on cents and silver dimesfor  jim beam whiskey bottles  issued i
believe in the 60's or early 70's before Danny died  I also have some 19000
foreign coins in 2x2's  labeled and identified I am thinking os selling now
that I am a bit over 70   I will accept wants lists with SASE so we can
advise of prices    I am

David F Boeshaar   P O Box 3455  Simi Valley CA 93093-3455

and e-mail      dfboeshaar@aol.com   if you or anyone is interested

dfb




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-14 08:41:44 EDT, you write:

> 	Okay, I need a little help with these.  First, I need names for 
>  the borders on the following coins:
>  
>  > DIS-WDW25-5 Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
>  >    v. Sorcerer Mickey below logo, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Single, thin, continuous line of connected half circles open 
to the inside running around the outside edge.

>  > 
>  > DIS-WDW25-9 Goofy Quarter
>  >    v. Goofy leaning on logo, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Two very thin lines about 1/32 of an inch apart making
a "railroad track"  around the outside edge with a very thin l
ine zig zaging from side to side with soft turns? :-)
>  > 
>  > DIS-WDW25-12 Pocahontas Quarter
>  >    v. Pocahontas leaning on shield w/ logo on it, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Solid, thin line with parallel, thin, zig zag line on the inside track
around the outside edge.

Sorry, discriptions aren't my strong point. :-(

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-14 08:41:44 EDT, you write:

> 	Okay, I need a little help with these.  First, I need names for 
>  the borders on the following coins:
>  
>  > DIS-WDW25-5 Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
>  >    v. Sorcerer Mickey below logo, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Single, thin, continuous line of connected half circles open 
to the inside running around the outside edge.

>  > 
>  > DIS-WDW25-9 Goofy Quarter
>  >    v. Goofy leaning on logo, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Two very thin lines about 1/32 of an inch apart making
a "railroad track"  around the outside edge with a very thin l
ine zig zaging from side to side with soft turns? :-)
>  > 
>  > DIS-WDW25-12 Pocahontas Quarter
>  >    v. Pocahontas leaning on shield w/ logo on it, "1996/2/5"
>  >    Border: Custom
>  >         Installed: 10/96        Removed: CA
Solid, thin line with parallel, thin, zig zag line on the inside track
around the outside edge.

Sorry, discriptions aren't my strong point. :-(

-Bob Hoff



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From: "Doug Rukavina" <Doug_Rukavina@studio.disney.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo penni
Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:55:08 -0700

                      RE>(elongates) LA Zoo pennies                10/14/97

FLats 

I d love to get you the animals

if no one else has already offered

I would like a set of the 16 available.  I could trade 18 from the MN 
Zoo if anyone is interested.  Thanks.

Flats






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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Is Suz still on the list?
Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:46:17 -0700


I don't have Suz's e-mail address/home address right now.  Can someone
send it to me?  I'm still weeding through past e-mails and
getting reorganized.

- Jeff




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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Information request on two recently picked up ECs
Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:51:50 -0700

On 10/13/97 11:32 AM Dixon, Jeff (JDixon@ea.com ) wrote

>One is a picture of the statue Bert described on the Hawaii elongates
>list.
>
>The other was is of Jaws.  I'm curious if both are current issues.  The
>Hawaii one looks especially old, with a hole
>punched on the top.

Aloha,

The statue coin is not a current coin. The dealer (in Hawaii) I got mine 
from said they were very limited edition, but he didn't remember 
where/when they were produced.

Eurolink did send a machine to Hawaii some years back for a promotion. I 
wonder if this machine was the one that produced the statue coin? None of 
the current machines I have used in Hawaii are Eurolink... 

bc



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) NJ: Turnpike update
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:02:49 -0700


Ok.  Here we go:
(H= Horizontal, V= Vertical)

1.  Vince Lombardi Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	H- American Flag + Ribbon "Proud to be an American"
	B.	V- Statue of Liberty head "Statue of Liberty"
	C.	V- "You are very special to me" (in hearts)
	D.	V- "Good luck penny" (clover top - horseshoe bottom)
Company contact number posted:
NJ:  (201) 928-4239
NY:  (212) 799-0016

2.  Alexander Hamilton Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	H- American Flag + Ribbon "Proud to be an American"
	B.	V- Picture of full statue	"Statue of Liberty" (top) "New York
1886-1986" (bottom)
	C.	H- Picture of NY skyline "World Trade Center" (top) "New York"
(bottom)
	D.	V- Picture of the ES building "The Empire State" (top) "New York"
(bottom)

Posted name of company:
One Cent Productions
"We Make Cents."
P.O. Box 1596
South Hackensack, NJ 07601

3.  Joyce Kilmer Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover top - clover bottom)
	B.	V- "Lord's Prayer"
	C.	V- Picture of a unicorn standing up on hind legs
	D.	V- "I Love You" w/dotted border

4.  Thomas Edison Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.  	V- "XXX Good for a hug and a kiss anytime -- anywhere OOO"
	B.	V- "Good luck penny" (clover top - horseshoe bottom)
	C.	H- American Flag + Ribbon "Proud to be an American"
	D.	V- Statue of Liberty head "Statue of Liberty"

5.  Molly Pitcher Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.  	V- "XXX Good for a hug and a kiss anytime -- anywhere OOO"
	B.	V- "Lord's Prayer"
	C.	V- Picture of full statue	"Statue of Liberty" (top) "New York
1886-1986" (bottom)
	D.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover top - horseshoe+clover bottom)

6.  Richard Stockton Rest Stop (has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- "Lord's Prayer"
	B.	V- "I Love You" w/dotted border
	C.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover top - horseshoe+clover bottom)
	D.	V- Unicorn head

7.  Woodrow Wilson Rest Stop	(has Title 331:18 posted)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Statue of Liberty head "Statue of Liberty"
	B.	H- American Flag + Ribbon "Proud to be an American"
	C.	V- "Good luck penny" (clover top - horseshoe bottom)
	D.	V- "You are very special to me" (in hearts)





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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Is Suz still on the list?
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:08:01 -0700

On 10/14/97 10:46 AM Dixon, Jeff (JDixon@ea.com ) wrote

>
>I don't have Suz's e-mail address/home address right now.  Can someone
>send it to me?  I'm still weeding through past e-mails and
>getting reorganized.
>
>- Jeff

Is this the one you need:

 Suzanne Oberly, soberly@lehman.com

Bert



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Update:  Topeka Zoo
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:10:49 -0700


I'm mainly correcting information about the order.

Topeka Zoo

Animals and Man Building (has posted 331:18)
1.Handcrank machine
	A)	V-picture of a rattle snake "Topeka Zoo"
	B)	V-picture of a bear	"Topeka Zoo"
	C)	H-picture of a kangaroo	"Topeka Zoo"
	D)	V-picture of a elephant	"Topeka Zoo"

Obverse - left (always)

Manufacturer information:
Uncommon cents

2.Discovering Apes Building
	A)	V-picture of a giraffe "Topeka Zoo"
	B)	H-picture of an eagle "Topeka Zoo"
	C)	V-picture of an ape "Topeka Zoo"
	D)	V-picture of a lion "Topeka Zoo"

Manufacturer information:
Uncommon cents





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location update:  Ft. Worth zoo
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:12:12 -0700


Penny Works informed me that the Triceritops and the Cantasaurus pennies
at the Forth Worth Zoo were made by them.

- Jeff




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location update:  Vermont
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:13:35 -0700


Burlington, Vermont

Lake Champlain Science Center
	1.  H- picture of a painted turtle (text and border unknown)




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location update:  Massachusetts
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:14:39 -0700


Penny works also informed me that a hand crank machine was at the Stone
Zoo in Stoneham, MA before Eurolink's machine arrived.

No information on the penny available.

Manufacturer was Uncommon Cents





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:21:41 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-14 08:41:44 EDT, you write:
> 
> > 	Okay, I need a little help with these.  First, I need names for 
> >  the borders on the following coins:
> 
> Sorry, discriptions aren't my strong point. :-(

	Thanx for the effort, Bob, but what I'm actually looking for are 
short one or two word names that I can slip into the catalog instead of 
using 'custom'.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Update:  NY
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:31:16 -0700


1.  Patternsonville, NY on Rt 90
Rest Stop (between exists 28 and 27 westbound)
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	V- "You are very special to me"  (heart looked a bit wacky - hard to
describe)
	C.	H- "Good for a hug and a kiss" (hearts to left and O's to the right)
	D.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover on top and bottom)

Company information
Farr Scale Co.
417 W. Main Street
Hummelstown, PN  17036
(717) 566-9449

2.  Iriquois Rest Stop on Rt 90
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover on top and bottom)
	C.	V- "I love you" dotted border
	D.	H- picture of a brontosaurus "Brontasaurus"

3.  Chittenango Travel Plaza on Rt 90
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover on top and bottom)
	C.	V- "I love you" dotted border
	D.	H- picture of a stegasaurus "Stegasaurus"
	E.	?- (fake on box) (half-pressed design) "result of not lining up
arrows"

Note:  Machine was jammed on 9/20?/97.
The pile of previous attempts inside the machine was so great I took a
picture.
It should be pretty funny to see - once I get it developed.

4.  Junius Ponds Travel 90 Plaza
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover on top and bottom)
	C.	V- picture of a unicorn head with sparks coming off of it "Lucky
Unicorn Head"
!	D.	V- "I love you" hearts border instead of dots.

Note:  Only pressed one of D.  Haven't seen the penny anywhere else.

5.  Seneca Rest Stop on Rt 90
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	V- "I love you" dotted border
	C.	V- "My lucky penny" (clover on top and bottom)
	D.	V- picture of a chained unicorn

6.  Clarence Rest Stop on Rt 90
	Handcrank machine
	A.	V- Lord's Prayer
	B.	H- "Good for a hug and a kiss" (XXX OOO)
	C.	H- picture of the american falls "Niagara Falls"
	D.	V- "I love you" dotted border and cursive "I"	




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location update:  Missouri
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:40:25 -0700


1.  Stuckey's/ Dairy Queen
Exit 216 
Didn't stop - but almost positive there is a Eurolink machine there.

Rt 70W near Columbia MO (exit around 125) intersection with route "J-DD"
(trust me that's right)
2.  Stuckey's/ Dairy Queen
3054 State Rd. J
Columbia, MO 65201
Phone:  1-314-474-5833
FAX:	1-314-474-6890
Owner:  J. A. Cook (ok - that's a bit extreme - I got a business card)

A.  V-picture of a windmill "Kansas"

Manufacturer:  Eurolink

3.  Stuckey's/ Dairy Queen
Exit 85
A.	V-  picture of missouri state with a wheat in the center "Missouri"
(top) "Show me state" (bottom)

Manufacturer:  Eurolink
	
The owner told me that every branch had a deal with Eurolink.  Whether
there always was a machine or not, 
he didn't know.  It sounds like an exclusive deal was reached with the
chain.

Side note - there is one branch in Colorado off route-80 in the NE
corner of the state.  I didn't check that one out.





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location update:  Franklin Park Zoo, MA
Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:42:56 -0700


Franklin Park Zoo
1.  H- picture of a striped-relief zebra "Franklin Park Zoo"
2.  V- picture of a lion	"Franklin Park Zoo"
3.  V- picture of a gorilla "Franklin Park Zoo"

Manufacturer:  Eurolink





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) (long) Trade List
Date: 14 Oct 1997 12:20:35 -0700


Jeff Dixon's Trading List
jdixon@ea.com

(X) means I have X available
(X) (Y) means I have X available in copper, Y available on steel
* means I'll take requests
D means double-sided

--------- Massachusetts ---------
Stone Zoo:
    Flamingo		(5)
    Bear			(2)
    Sea Otter		(3)

Franklin Park Zoo:
    Zebra		(5)
    Lion			(4)
    Gorilla		(3)

Boston Aquarium
    Penguin		(14)

Boston Museum of Science:
    Planets		(15)
    Planetarium		(10) (1 - tested a dime)

Boston Whale Watch	(2 zinc) - my non-trading piece is also zinc

"Children's Museum" Bottle (9)

--------- New York ---------
My lucky penny (2 clovers)		(2)
Good for a hug and a kiss (heart in middle XXX & OOO on either side) (3)
Unicorn head				(4) (1)
Chained Unicorn				(4) (2)
Brontosaurus				(5) (1)
"I love you" (cursive "I")			(2)

"Niagara Falls"				(6) (1)
"American Falls", "Niagara Falls, NY"	(7) (1)
"American Falls at Niagara"	(1) - sorry, ran out of quarters
"You are very special to me" 	(2)
"Niagara Falls, NY"		(dime) (5)
"Canadian Falls" "at Niagara"	(1) - sorry, ran out of quarters

--------- California --------- 
San Francisco:
Trolley quarter		(1) *
Coit Tower		(2) *

Santa Cruz:
Boat			(5) (1) *

Monterey
Tree			(5) *
Sea Otter		(4) *
Sailor			(4) *

--------- Illinois --------- 
Lincoln's New Salem		(3)
Lincoln's Tomb			(1)

--------- Indiana --------- 
"Indiana Farmers Feed the World" picture of a tractor (3) (1)

--------- Missouri --------- 
St. Louis:
Lacede's Landing, St. Louis -double dot border- (6)
St. Louis Science Center 		(1)
"My Lucky Penny" "St. Louis, Mo"	(2)
Picture of the arch "St. Louis Gateway" 	(2)
St. Louis Arch 				(4)
"St. Louis Gateway to arch"/ "My Lucky Penny" D (4)
Union Station:
    "St. Louis Union Station" (station picture) (3)
    "St. Louis Union Station" (train picture) (3)
"Missouri" "Show me State" state picture(4)

--------- Kansas--------- 
Windmill "Kansas"		(3)
"Home on the Range" "Kansas"	(7) (1)
"Kansas" picture of state with wheat (4) (1)

Topeka Zoo:
    1.  Snake (2)
    2.  Elephant (1)
    3.  Tiger 2)
    4.  Lion (2)
    5.  Monkey (2)
    6.  Giraffe (2)
    7.  Kangaroo (2)
    8.  Eagle (2)

--------- Colorado --------- 
Garden of the Gods:
     I love you Colorado 	(3)
    Person with eagle wings (2)
    Balanced Rock 		(4)

Garden of the Gods Visitor Center:
     picture + text "Balanced Rock"/ "Garden of the Gods Visitor Center"
D (3)
     picture + text "Magpie" /"Garden of the Gods Visitor Center" D (5)

--------- Other --------- 
Shamu (1 zinc)



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Catlogging: WDW 25th Anniversary
Date: 14 Oct 1997 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-14 14:25:35 EDT, you write:

> 	Thanx for the effort, Bob, but what I'm actually looking for are 
>  short one or two word names that I can slip into the catalog instead of 
>  using 'custom'.
>  

Squiggily-double-track?  :-)

-Bob




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Finished Location Update first pass
Date: 14 Oct 1997 12:38:23 -0700


Ok,

I finally finished the first pass.  If people look over the trade list,
they'll notice that some of the pennies haven't been documented
yet.  It's true.  This installment was the only almost completely
organized.

I'll compile the rest in a couple of days.

- Jeff






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	My moving day has just been moved up to Monday!  So, if you have 
anything set aside to mail to me, please just hold onto it for now.  I'm 
still not sure where I'm going, but I'll post my new address as soon as I 
know it.

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:03:21 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> Greetings & Salutations!
> 
>         My moving day has just been moved up to Monday!  So, if you have
> anything set aside to mail to me, please just hold onto it for now.  I'm
> still not sure where I'm going, but I'll post my new address as soon as I
> know it.
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz

I may have sent one out over the weekend or late last week.  Keep an eye 
out for it.

Janelle



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 14 Oct 1997 18:25:38 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, James Henry wrote:

> I may have sent one out over the weekend or late last week.  Keep an eye 
> out for it.
> 
	I got your package today.  Thanx!

		Peace, 

			Aahz





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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) C=64 game
Date: 14 Oct 1997 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT)

Hi,
	The person that asked, I'm the video game collector.  I'm sure I 
could help you find the game you want.  I tried a private e-mail reply, 
but it was undeliverable.  And I've since deleted the origional message, 
and I don't remember who asked.  Anyway, send me a note and I'll try to 
help.  
	And to stay on topic a bit: I got a coin while at work Monday 
night.  A customer had it in there change that they pulled out of their 
pocket.  I commented on it, said I collected them and that I had 
hundreds, and they gave it to me.  Neat!

Matt Birchard
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Machines Back on Stage.
Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:31:01 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

As of late yesterday, (The Orange County fire stopped short of my home, so, I
celebrated by taking off to press some cents :-)  I found all machines back
on stage that were there 10/1/97 plus the "Witches", DIS-DL-98,99,100 and the
DIS-DL-69, 70 with DIS-DLH-8.   94 degrees in the park, but, very dry.

If you asked me for a set of Witches, and I haven't gotten back to you this
week, please send another request.  My e-mail archive has a stress related
ailment. %-)

Happy Collecting
-Bob Hoff



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Machines Back on Stage.
Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:13:01 -0500

I would like a set of the witches (DSL-DL-98,99,100).  Would also like a 
DIS-DLH-1 of the Hotel and Monorail.  Need any from MN for a trade 
or cash?

Flats

Janelle Henry
13231 179 1/2 Ave
Elk River, MN 55330



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Weather/Location Update
Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:41:27 -0700

On 10/15/97 7:31 AM Bob Hoff (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

> 94 degrees in the park, but, very dry.

Yuppers, it was 100 here in our part of San Diego county yesterday! Ran 
the air conditioner for a while...

Location Keeper Update: As you all know, I need to move the Smashed Coin 
Locator to a new server somewhere. I am still looking for a location and 
will send you the new URL once I have a place to land the files... While 
I can't update files until I move the site, I still need all the 
locations you are finding (or any other info you'd like to see on the 
web) so please keep those emails comin' -- I REALLY appreciate all your 
help!

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) TDL coin info
Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:33:42 -0600 (MDT)


Greetings & Salutations!

	Just received this note from one of the people I'm trying to get
TDL elongates from:

> > > Megara, head on left, "Hercules" horizontal, not dated
> > > Hercules, head on right, "Hercules", not dated
> 
> I think these coins are special souvenir for "Hercules The Hero" event
> (From July 17, until October 24).So I won't be able to get them.

	None of my people are going until November.  Any one else have a
shot at being there before 10/24?

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TDL coin info
Date: 15 Oct 1997 09:43:03 -0700

On 10/15/97 9:33 AM Chris Aahz (vmphntr@xmission.com ) wrote

>	None of my people are going until November.  Any one else have a
>shot at being there before 10/24?

We have friends that are from Japan, based here for a couple of years. I 
will ask them today!

Bert



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TDL coin info
Date: 15 Oct 1997 11:56:35 -0500

Bert Creighton wrote:
> 
> On 10/15/97 9:33 AM Chris Aahz (vmphntr@xmission.com ) wrote
> 
> >       None of my people are going until November.  Any one else have a
> >shot at being there before 10/24?
> 
> We have friends that are from Japan, based here for a couple of years. I
> will ask them today!
> 
> Bert


I would love a set so keep me in mind.  

Flats



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TDL coin info
Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:03:42 -0700


Rather than everyone sending emails to me/list about the Tokyo Disney 
coins, let me see if I can get anything first. I know most of us will 
want at least 1 of each and possibly more, so I will try to find someone 
there willing to play Big Al-san for us.

bc



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) I found the pig!
Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:08:49 -0400 (EDT)


Hi Jeff,

A while back, you asked about the "Flying Pig" (a zinc ANA 1988 ec)?  I
thought that Gina had it based on a discription she gave me.  I don't know
what coin she has, but, I have the ANA piggy, and if you want it's your's as
a gift. :-)

-Bob



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TDL coin info
Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-15 12:36:58 EDT, you write:

> 	None of my people are going until November.  Any one else have a
>  shot at being there before 10/24?
>  

50 / 50 chance for me.  Working hard on it.

-Bob



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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) I found the pig!
Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:27:59 -0800

On a road trip between Salt Lake City and San Francisco, we stopped in
Winnemucca Nevada the Spud Capital of the World - presumably one of the
farms grows thousands and thousands of acres of potatoes.

Anyways the best place to eat in town it the Flying Pig BBQ and their
logo had a pig with wings like Pegasus.  I don't remember seeing a penny
machine then but the logo was very cute.

Alan



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) I found the pig!
Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-15 13:28:41 EDT, you write:

> Anyways the best place to eat in town it the Flying Pig BBQ and their
>  logo had a pig with wings like Pegasus.  I don't remember seeing a penny
>  machine then but the logo was very cute.
>  
>  Alan
>  

Hi Alan!

I'm a bit e-mail impaired today and sent my e-mail to Jeff via the list.
(Yikes!) 

The Flying Pig ec is one from an ANA convention, held at Porkopolis, Ohio
(!), not the resturant :-).  

-Bob 



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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:25:05 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> Greetings & Salutations!
> 
>         I need a favor.  Can someone go by Kathy's Penny Page and send me
> a description of four of her Knott's Berry Farm coins for me?  I have a
> non-graphical browser, so can't see 'em myself, but need the descriptions
> for the KBF catalog.
> 
>         The four I need are:
> 
>         Calif. Marketplace
>         Inventors Workshop
>         Camp Snoopy
>         Mrs. Knott's
> 
>                 Thanx!
> 
>                         Aahz

Chris,

I know this is a few days late, but most browsers will allow a download
of a graphical file to your hard drive.  Try placing your cursor over
the icon for the file, then clicking the RIGHT mouse button.  Often a
mini-menu appears where a download option is available.  Also try your
menu bar, usually FILE, look for download options.

Then all you have to do is view the image on your own viewer.

Good luck,  

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net





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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:56:55 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> Greetings & Salutations!
> 
>         My moving day has just been moved up to Monday!  So, if you have
> anything set aside to mail to me, please just hold onto it for now.  I'm
> still not sure where I'm going, but I'll post my new address as soon as I
> know it.
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz

I mailed my stuff to you yesterday.  Should be there by Saturday I hope.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net





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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:11:09 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> I know this is a few days late, but most browsers will allow a download
> of a graphical file to your hard drive.  Try placing your cursor over
> the icon for the file, then clicking the RIGHT mouse button.  Often a
> mini-menu appears where a download option is available.  Also try your
> menu bar, usually FILE, look for download options.

Bob,

	Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here.  I don't
even have a mouse :)  Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
some images (ie. the images on David's Disneyland page).  However, Kathy
has her images placed 'Inline'.  I'm not really sure what that means other
then instead of seeing the image I just see [INLINE].  There is no way for
me to download these images.

	The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
pages I visit.

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Mule"?
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:24:48 -0400

A couple of day ago, Chris Aahz wrote:
>         I've been going through some listings by Doug Fairbanks and
> noticed that he uses the term "Mule" to describe several issues.  Anyone
> know what he means by this?

Numismatically, a mule is a coin with a mismatched obverse and reverse. 
Sorta like a Jefferson nickel with a Buffalo reverse.  Mules were once
fairly common in the early days of the Republic, but with modern minting
technology they are hardly never seen.

In elongates, I would imagine a mule is one which is double sided but
with mismatched sides.

This probably confuses the issue.  ;>

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net



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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:35:00 -0400

One suggestion on your endeavor....

Why don't you write to Lee Martin and Angelo Rosato and Dottie Dow too
and explain what you are going to do?  Ask them for any insights they
could give you and what traps to avoid.  DON'T give the impression that
you are going to throw out their work and put your own in (I know you're
not, but make sure they know it too).  In other words, get their
blessing for your catalog and then you won't have nearly the resistance
from the TEC old liners you could have.

Keep up the good work.  It will be far harder than you can conceivably
imagine right now.  My own New Hampshire woods catalog is proof of
that.  I'll be glad to help however I can.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net



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From: tony dinto <stanton@eci.com>
Subject: (elongates) Engraver
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:32:03 +0000

Hi,
 Could some please tell me who is or was F.C. Spadone?
I have a coin with his name spelled out that way.
Thank You,
Tony



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Machines Back on Stage.
Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:39:18 -0700

James Henry wrote:

> I would like a set of the witches (DSL-DL-98,99,100).  Would also
> like a
> DIS-DLH-1 of the Hotel and Monorail.  Need any from MN for a trade
>
> or cash?
>
> Flats
>
> Janelle Henry
> 13231 179 1/2 Ave
> Elk River, MN 55330


I sent you a set yesterday!!!!!

Nancy




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Machines Back on Stage.
Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:40:48 -0700

James Henry wrote:

> I would like a set of the witches (DSL-DL-98,99,100).  Would also
> like a
> DIS-DLH-1 of the Hotel and Monorail.  Need any from MN for a trade
>
> or cash?
>
> Flats
>
> Janelle Henry
> 13231 179 1/2 Ave
> Elk River, MN 55330


Flats, I sent you a 98, 99 and 100 yesterday.  Can add a DIS-DLH-1
in with the zoo if you want.

Nancy




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Mule"?
Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> Numismatically, a mule is a coin with a mismatched obverse and reverse. 
<snip> 
> In elongates, I would imagine a mule is one which is double sided but
> with mismatched sides.
> 
> This probably confuses the issue.  ;>

	Actually, it makes a lot more sense to me, Bob.  Thanx!  The 
general consensus (and likely how the term is NOW generally understood) 
was that a double-sided elongate is a mule.  I didn't see any reason to 
call it anything other then 'double-sided' in that case.  The mismatched 
sides not only fits the term 'mule' better, but also seems to fit within 
the usage in the listings I was looking at.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Fast TDL HELP!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:24:44 -0700

Hi to those of you online at the moment,

Does anyone have a complete list of the Tokyo coins? I just ran home to 
get the list so I can get it to a friend who may (MAY) be able to arrange 
for someone to visit Tokyo Disneyland next week...

Thanks for any complete lists you may have (in the next few mins)

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) THANKS!
Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:30:10 -0700

Jeff and Chris,

THANKS for the fast help! I'll print it out and see if we can get them!

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:43:13 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> One suggestion on your endeavor....
> 
> Why don't you write to Lee Martin and Angelo Rosato and Dottie Dow too
> and explain what you are going to do?  Ask them for any insights they
> could give you and what traps to avoid.  DON'T give the impression that
> you are going to throw out their work and put your own in (I know you're
> not, but make sure they know it too).  In other words, get their
> blessing for your catalog and then you won't have nearly the resistance
> from the TEC old liners you could have.

	When I first came up with this whole catalogging idea (over two 
years ago, now), step one on my list was to contact those who have done 
the work before.  When I started getting serious about doing it (about 
six months ago) I still had this one my 'to do' list, but I'm notorious 
lazy when it comes to letter writing.  Then, in July I started toying 
around with the new system and mentioned it to Bert, who started 
pestering me about it until I got details worked out. ;)

	So after a slow start things have accelerated VERY quickly and 
I've kinda been caught up in the whirlwind.  In that same time period I 
managed to make a few enemies in TEC so am still wary of proposing 
anything on paper.  The catalog certainly isn't going to appear 
overnight, so I plan on discussing it with the ol' pros at the ANA 
convention in Portland next year.  That gives more time for the waves I 
created over the election to die down and for me to work out any serious 
defects in the system.  Since I'm still dealing primarily with 'machine 
rolled' issues (as opposed to roller issues) it's pretty much stuff that 
is currently completely uncatalogged anyway from what I understand.

> Keep up the good work.  It will be far harder than you can conceivably
> imagine right now.  My own New Hampshire woods catalog is proof of
> that.  I'll be glad to help however I can.

	Thanx for the encouragement and support!  Believe me, I've never 
thought this was going to be easy.  Fortunately, manipulating information 
has always been a passion of mine, so it's something I enjoy spending 
several hours a day doing 8-)

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Engraver
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:29:42 -0700

On 10/15/97 9:32 AM tony dinto (stanton@eci.com ) wrote

>Hi,
> Could some please tell me who is or was F.C. Spadone?
>I have a coin with his name spelled out that way.
>Thank You,
>Tony

Hi Tony,

I checked my engravers web page and found this:

>
> John G. Spadone
>
> Roller 
> Initials JGS 

That's all the info I have. It came from Howard (TEC SEC) earlier this 
year. You might want to ask Willy Massey. He's the President of TEC now 
and really knows the business. You could also ask (phone or snail mail) 
Ray Dillard, he'd probably know. The older TEC members are a wealth of 
info!

My engravers web site is at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/engravers.html

Please send me any info you find on engravers so I can share it with 
everyone...

Hope this helps

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	I just sent out the second digest for the list.  I'm doing them 
manually as Xmission is still ignoring my requests for help.  I noticed a 
couple things I feel the need to bring up, however.

	We have a fairly large proportion of 'me too' messages.  On this list 
a 'me too' message is essentially when someone says "I just got a few 
copies of x who wants one?" and people reply "I want one".  The list 
exists for this purpose, but please send these "me too" messages directly 
to the original poster via 'e-mail'.  Rarely is a third party interested 
in these posts and they just fill mailboxes needlessly.

	The primary reason people give for unsubscribing from the list is 
"too much traffic".  What this actually means is: "too much stuff I don't 
care about".  What they're usually talking about is off-topic posts and 
'me too' messages.  

	Personally, I enjoy the off-topic messages and think they help 
build friendships and a sense of community.  As do the frquent one-liner 
jokes that appear as responses.  These are the things that keep a list 
from being dry and boring.  But the 'me too' messages really do nothing 
for the list as a whole.  

	I know that I am guilty of all of the above offenses, but the 
only one I intend to curb is the 'me too' messages.  I'd appreciate the 
cooperation of the rest of the list in doing the same thing.

	Now back to your scheduled e-mail....

		Peace,

			Aahz

Chris Aahz
List-owner






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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:24:34 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:
> 
> > I know this is a few days late, but most browsers will allow a download
> > of a graphical file to your hard drive.  Try placing your cursor over
> > the icon for the file, then clicking the RIGHT mouse button.  Often a
> > mini-menu appears where a download option is available.  Also try your
> > menu bar, usually FILE, look for download options.
> 
> Bob,
> 
>         Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here.  I don't
> even have a mouse :)  Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
> some images (ie. the images on David's Disneyland page).  However, Kathy
> has her images placed 'Inline'.  I'm not really sure what that means other
> then instead of seeing the image I just see [INLINE].  There is no way for
> me to download these images.
> 
>         The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> pages I visit.
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz

Hey, who's Moe?

Ben



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Engraver
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:26:17 -0400

tony dinto wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  Could some please tell me who is or was F.C. Spadone?
> I have a coin with his name spelled out that way.
> Thank You,
> Tony

Hi Tony.

Frank Spadone is a dealer in New Jersey.  I'm not sure if he's an 
engraver.  I have his address somewhere if you want it.

Ben   mcsquare@erols.com



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, BLMC wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > 
> >         The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> > still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> > pages I visit.
> > 
> 
> Hey, who's Moe?
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
	You don't know Moe?  I thought EVRYBODY knew Moe!  Well, let's 
just say he'll introduce himself when he's ready.


;)

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Getting Images With Txt Browsers
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:14:22 -0700

On 10/15/97 3:24 PM BLMC (mcsquare@erols.com ) wrote

>>         Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here.  I don't
>> even have a mouse :)  Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
>> some images (ie. the images on David's Disneyland page).  However, Kathy
>> has her images placed 'Inline'.  I'm not really sure what that means other
>> then instead of seeing the image I just see [INLINE].  There is no way for
>> me to download these images.
>> 
>>         The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
>> still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
>> pages I visit.

Chris, and anyone with a text only browser...

You can try this and see if it works...

If you are able to see the html source of a page, read on... Many 
browsers allow you to download the source html. If you have the source, 
you can read the paths to the images and download them. Example:

Go to Kathy's page at:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/sandollar_gulf_shores.htm

Get the source html. Go down the source about 10 lines and you will see:

>src="images/gulf_shores_sand_dollar_hr.gif" width="185"
 
This is the location where the Sand Dollar image is (the URL). 

So you can go to:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/images/gulf_shores_sand_dollar_hr.gi
f

and you will get the image. Let me know if this works...

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:18:33 -0700

On 10/15/97 2:43 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Then, in July I started toying 
>around with the new system and mentioned it to Bert, who started 
>pestering me about it until I got details worked out. ;)

Pester, Pester, Pester... It is not easy being a location keeper, but 
someone has to do it!

8-)




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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Getting Images With Txt Browsers
Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >>         Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here.  I don't
> >> even have a mouse :)  Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
> 
> Chris, and anyone with a text only browser...
> 
> You can try this and see if it works...

	YES!!!!  Thanx Bert! I knew all you techie types were good for
sumthin ;)

	I'm off to start yanking images.  Muwahahahahaha

		Aahz




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From: RobertHoff@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 15 Oct 1997 20:42:54 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

I'm just getting around to a complete inventory of my Disney coins.  We have
been rolling them for years, depositing them in drawers, books, stuck them
on the fridge even put them in coin books and of course, mixed them up with
non-Disney!   Now, that they are slowly making their way to their new home,
I find I have a *few* extras and *lots* of wants.  Maybe we can help fill
each 
other's collections with some trades? :-)

I have extras of:
Cents:
DIS-DL-7, "Splash Mountain", nice copper, nice zinc, or ugly zinc.
DIS-DL-6 "Country Bear Playhouse", nice copper.
DIS-DL-9a, "Mickey Mouse Disneyland" (Mickey Rays, 3D ears),nice copper.

Nickels:
40 Year / Adventure Nickel-DIS-DL-52, nice.

I need:
Cents:
DIS-DL-1 Mickey rays, Flat ears, "Disneyland"
DIS-DL-9 Mickey rays, Flat ears. "Mickey Mouse Disneyland"
DIS-DL-10 "Mickey Sixty Years Disneyland"

Nickels:
DIS-DL-11  "35 Years of Magic Disneyland"
DIS-DL-12 "1995 Annual Passholder"
DIS-DL-86 "Happy New Year 1997 Disneyland"
DIS-DL-87 "Happy Holidays 1996 Disneyland"
DIS-DL-88  "Seasons Greetings 1996 Disneyland"
DIS-TDA-1 "Open House '95"
DIS-TDA-2 "Ron Dominguez Disneyland"
DIS-TDA-3 "Building Our Future The Pieces Come Together"

Let's Trade!

-Bob Hoff



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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:32:59 -0000

Hi chris,
just wanted to let you know i already mailed those coins for the auction. 
They went out on Tuesday Oct. 14.  Hope they get to you before you move.
Gina





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fast TDL HELP!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 1997 04:50:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-15 18:47:48 EDT, you write:

> Hi to those of you online at the moment,
>  
>  Does anyone have a complete list of the Tokyo coins? I just ran home to 
>  get the list so I can get it to a friend who may (MAY) be able to arrange 
>  for someone to visit Tokyo Disneyland next week...
>  
>  Thanks for any complete lists you may have (in the next few mins)
>  
Chip 'n' Dale, full length, horizontal, dated 1997
Huey, Dewey and Louie, heads, horizontal, dated 1997
Caste, horizontal, "Tokyo Disneyland", dated 1997
Megara, head on left, "Hercules" horizontal, not dated
Hercules, head on right, "Hercules", not dated
Goofy
Pluto

Not sure it's right.  Last I heard, there are 9 of them.

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) SD Update
Date: 16 Oct 1997 02:20:28 -0700

The San Diego Union newspaper article continues to generate emails on 
EC's! Here's an update I just got from someone in San Diego... I hope to 
have a new location for the Smashed Coin Locator within a week, and will 
add these updates soon...

bc
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Stephen Birch Aquarium:
I only found 1 machine, it does make 3 different designs though. 
1 - (H) [design of a fish] "Stephen Birch Aquarium - Museum - San Diego"  
2 - (H) [design of ship and trident] "Scripps Institute of Oceanography" 
3 - (H) [design of an octopus] "Stephen Birch Aquarium - Museum

Mission Bay Visitor Center

1 - (H) [sailing ships on bay] "San Diego Mission Bay"  
2 - (H) [Coronado Bay Bridge] "San Diego" 
3 - (H) [Whale] "Whale Watching San Diego - Cabrillo
National Monument


Sea World
I stopped counting and actually didn't keep to close of track of these. 
Some
that aren't on your list are:

Penguin Encounter gift shop (one machine - four selections)
1 - (V)[design of penguin] "Emperor Penguin - Sea World of California"
2-(V)[Sea World emblem] "Sea World of California" 3 (H)[design of shark]
"Sea World of California"  4(V) [puffin] "Puffin - Sea World of 
California"

Wild Artic Gift shop (one machine - four selections)
1 - (H)[polar bear] "Wild Artic - Sea World"  
2- (H)[Shamu] "Sea World of California"  
3 - (H)[shark] "Sea World of California" 4 (H) [polar bear-different than 
design #1) "Wild Artic - Sea World

Gift shop by exit (one machine - three designs)
1 - (V)[Cap'n Kidd] "Sea World of California  
2 - (V)[O.P. Otter] "Sea World of California"  
3 (V) [Seamore Sea Lion] "Sea World of California"


I also have a penny from San Diego's 200th anniversary (in 1969) that came
from Old Town
1 - (V)[emblem with Junipero Serra and Juan Cabrillo] "1769 - 1969 San 
Diego
200"

Also the third machine is back at the wild animal park with a new design
1 - (H) [large number 25] "San Diego Wild animal park - 25 years"



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 16 Oct 1997 05:31:15 -0500

RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi;
> 
> I'm just getting around to a complete inventory of my Disney coins.  We have
> been rolling them for years, depositing them in drawers, books, stuck them
> on the fridge even put them in coin books and of course, mixed them up with
> non-Disney!   Now, that they are slowly making their way to their new home,
> I find I have a *few* extras and *lots* of wants.  Maybe we can help fill
> each
> other's collections with some trades? :-)
> 
> I have extras of:
> Cents:
> DIS-DL-7, "Splash Mountain", nice copper, nice zinc, or ugly zinc.
> DIS-DL-6 "Country Bear Playhouse", nice copper.
> DIS-DL-9a, "Mickey Mouse Disneyland" (Mickey Rays, 3D ears),nice copper.
> 

> 

> 
> Let's Trade!
> 
> -Bob Hoff


I would love your coppers of the 3 pennies.  I can offer MN pennies from 
the MN Zoo, MN Science Museum, Underwater World, Knott's Camp Snoopy 
from Mall of America.

Flats



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From: Zarminator@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Sea World
Date: 16 Oct 1997 06:45:22 -0400 (EDT)

  Hi, I sent this letter a while ago but it never was sent so, I am out of
Sea World sets I am trying to go back to get more sets soon.


                       Kelly



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 16 Oct 1997 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-16 09:06:11 EDT, you write:

> I would love your coppers of the 3 pennies.  I can offer MN pennies from 
>  the MN Zoo, MN Science Museum, Underwater World, Knott's Camp Snoopy 
>  from Mall of America.
>  
>  Flats

Hi Flats!

Sorry these babies are to trade for old Disney only.  
There maybe other list members that have some donno.
If I can get two full sets (one for me and one for the kid)
together, then I would trade or sell my extras.  But,
many poeple with olies will only trade for same. 

-Bob




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Auction stuff
Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT)


Hi!

I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)

Penny: "Steamboat Willie", DIS-DL-18
Nickel: "Work is the Curse of the Drinking Class" w/picture of beer mug.
Dime: "200 Years" Presbyterian Church, USA.
Quarter: "Statue of Liberty" w/ picture of some woman holding a torch?. :-)
Half Dollar: "Proud to be Italian American" cent size impression, off to the
left of the coin w/picture map of US over-laid with map of Italy.

-Bob Hoff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction stuff
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
> Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)

	Wow!  Neat stuff coming in.  Thanx Bob!

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:17:45 -0700


Does anybody collect highway tokens?  We have a bunch from the New
Hampshire Turnpike.

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) OL: Cut down messages
Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:44:10 -0600 (MDT)


	The (excellent) message from Alan got bounced because the system
thought it was a request to be removed from the list (remember to spell
the word 's*bscribe' with a star obliterating a letter).

	However, it does give  me a 'free' chance to respond 8-)  

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Reply-To: alkita@earthlink.net

Dear Chris (and others):

The other day you had written that we should cut down our messages (the
reason being that so many was being sent that it is overwhelming and the
cause of many to uns*bscribe).

And you had written up some suggestions, and very good ones, too, that
we should all strive to follow.

But don't you include messages such as this...?

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
> > Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)
> 
>         Wow!  Neat stuff coming in.  Thanx Bob!
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz

I hope you don't take this wrongly...because I understand the need for
the auction and the need to bring it up lest we forget, but...

Just a humble opinion...oh please don't reply with "I agree" or "I
disagree" to the list...I'll understand if my opinion generates a flood
of email to my mailbox alone.

Alan

-------end of forwarded message---------

Alan, 

	You're absolutely right!  This was EXACTLY the kind of 'me too'
message that we should try to avoid.  As I said in the original message,
I'm guilty of these things too.  Thanx for setting me straight.

	I do want to make clear that I was not trying to encourage fewer
messages overall, but rather fewer messages of the type Alan caught me
posting above.  Many of us on the list LOVE the traffic and would be just
as happy with more.  We just all need to think if what we're posting has
any possibility of being of interest to more then one other person on the
list.

			Peace,


				Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:46:12 -0600 (MDT)

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> 
> Does anybody collect highway tokens?  We have a bunch from the New
> Hampshire Turnpike.

	If you can't trade/sell 'em here on the list I recommend you take
'em to the next coin show you attend.  You may be able to trade 'em for
elongates with one of the dealers there.

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Building Elongates   (would you like to trade)???
Date: 17 Oct 1997 00:26:14 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow elongate collectors----
    If you would like any of these elongates  ---let me know --maybe we can
make a trade. (let me know what you have to trade)

All of these elongates have outlines ,(pictures), of buildings on them---

Vigo County court house--built 1885--Terre Haute , Ind.
Markle house--built 1884--Terre Haute, Ind.
Terre Haute hause--built 1880--7th and Wabash 
Depot--Fenton ,Mich.--1834-1984--150years
Seminary--Fenton ,Mich.--1834-1984-150years
Thank   you             Al  Smith         



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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 08:28:55 -0400

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Does anybody collect highway tokens?  We have a bunch from the New
> Hampshire Turnpike.

I USE them quite often and if you're willint to part with them for a
discount....

Otherwise, run them through a rolling machine.  Should make an
interesting piece.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net



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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:46:44 -0800

This thread had only interested me in that I had realized (besides Las
Vegas-type Casino dollar "tokens" - I assume that one collects these
too) that some places produce tokens with some markings.  Many are
blanks, tho'.  I have a 6 year old which necessitates buying a few of
these tokens when we visit an arcade, i.e., Chuck E. Cheese, and I
always end up with at least one in a pocket or wallet when I get home
and never remembering to take it with me the next time I visit the same
said place.

In Los Angeles the Metro Metro Transportation Authority sells tokens
with the big M on it for use on the buses and rail systems.

Alan

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> >
> > Does anybody collect highway tokens?  We have a bunch from the New
> > Hampshire Turnpike.
> 
>         If you can't trade/sell 'em here on the list I recommend you take
> 'em to the next coin show you attend.  You may be able to trade 'em for
> elongates with one of the dealers there.
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz



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From: Melinda Couden <mcouden@netusa1.net>
Subject: RE: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:41:30 -0400

Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?

Melinda




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Another way to cut down on traffic...
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:12:35 -0700

Not to sound like a nag...

If you have a specific question regarding someone's e-mail, please send
them e-mail privately.

Just trying to help keep members.  *smile*

- Jeff

P.S.  I've replied to Melinda's mail privately.




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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:12:07 -0800

in Southern California there are no toll roads except those that use
electronic devices, otherwise what are called highways in other states
are freeways in California, but i think highway tokens are actually toll
road tokens.  I would hope that you would get some sort of discount when
you buy tokens as opposed to paying real coins when you purchase them.

In Los Angeles, the Metro tokens work like this..  You buy them by the
bag which amounts to $0.90 per token and the normal cash fare is $1.25
for buses and around $3.00 for the rail system (light and subway).

For example...So if the toll is 35=A2 and instead of throwing into the
machine two coins you just insert one token.

In California they are starting to use "smart tokens."  Electronic
devices that send out a little message indicating you the payee and this
is deducted from your prepaid account.  I suppose if all the tollroads
in the U.S. went to this system, then eventually tollroad tokens would
become more valuable???

And if you are like me..buy them and not use them, the agency make a
little money.

Melinda Couden wrote:
>=20
> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?
>=20
> Melinda



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Another way to cut down on traffic...
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> If you have a specific question regarding someone's e-mail, please send
> them e-mail privately.
> 
> Just trying to help keep members.  *smile*
> 
> P.S.  I've replied to Melinda's mail privately.

	See, now this is where things start getting tricky.  Personally, 
I'd much prefer a list lose members because of too much traffic instead 
of not enough.

	Let's use the recent "highway tokens" thread as an example.  

	Jeff's original post was, indeed, off-topic.  I still think it 
has a place here for several reasons: 1) Jeff is a regular poster of EC 
info so he gets a little more leeway then someone who just makes 
off-topic posts, 2) Many EC collectors also collect other exonumia so 
there is a fair chance that someone else on the list would be interested, 
3) should number 2 be accurate this could well lead to an EC/token 
trade.  4) It was short, to the point, and labeled OT in the subject.

	Now I'm going to memory on what replies it generated so forgive 
me if I miss or mis-represent any.
  
	Bob Frtisch replied that he may be interested in purchasing them.
This is something that only Bob and Jeff would really care about, so 
should have been handled off list.

	Melinda asked for clarification of what a highway token is.  This 
is on-topic for reasons 2, 3 and 4 that the original message was 
on-topic.  By asking the entire list Melinda is more likely to get better 
quantity/quality information by asking multiple people rather then asking 
one person.  Besides, there could well be others asking the same but 
afraid/unwilling to post it.  Which leads to...

	Alan's description/explanation of highway tokens.  This, also, 
was relevant to the list as others could well be interested in the answer 
and by always answering general questions posted to the list on the the 
list we avoid "Can someone explain this to me as well" posts.

	I'm not sure if I posted a reply to any of these messages as I 
did think about doing so, but can't recall what I wrote, so don't believe 
I did.  I say this here so as not to give the impression that I'm 
"glossing over" my own posts.

	This has gotten a lot longer than I intended (like I've ever 
written a SHORT post ;), but I think it's important to make this clear.

	When replying/posting to the list you want to ask yourself one 
simple question.  Is there ANY chance more then one person on the list 
cares to read the message?  If the answer is yes, post it to the list.  
The last thing I want to do is discourage people from posting anything here.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:31:23 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, BLMC wrote:
> 
> > Chris Aahz wrote:
> > >
> > >         The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> > > still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> > > pages I visit.
> > >
> >
> > Hey, who's Moe?
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
>         You don't know Moe?  I thought EVRYBODY knew Moe!  Well, let's
> just say he'll introduce himself when he's ready.
> 
> ;)
> 
>                 Peace,
> 
>                         Aahz

Will Larry and Curly show up too?

Ben



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Amusement tokens - was: (Re: (elongates) Highway Tokens)
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Alan Kita wrote:

> blanks, tho'.  I have a 6 year old which necessitates buying a few of
> these tokens when we visit an arcade, i.e., Chuck E. Cheese, and I
> always end up with at least one in a pocket or wallet when I get home
> and never remembering to take it with me the next time I visit the same
> said place.

	This is how I began collecting amusement tokens!  I now have a 
couple hundred.  Amusement tokens are probably the only area of exonumia 
that's cheaper to collect then elongates.  

	And to bring things slightly onto topic...

	If anyone finds any amusement tokens in their pockets set 'em 
aside in your trade stock and I'll accept 'em as one PEU in trade value 
for elongates (assuming they're ones I don't have of course).

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:39:28 -0400

Melinda Couden wrote:
> 
> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?
> 
> Melinda

Highway tokens are used to pay turnpike tolls in lieu of currency.

Ben



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Melinda Couden wrote:

> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?

	Well, Alan, did a fine job of answering the question directly, so 
I won't go into that again, but I wanted to point out for general 
consumption that transportation tokens (of which highway tokens are a 
part) is one of the largest areas of exonumia collection (exonumia is 
essentially non-legal tender).

	The Token and Medal Society (TAMS) and the American Vecturist 
Society (AVS) are the two main organisations for transportation token 
collectors.  For contact info check out the ANA web site at 
http://www.money.org.

		Peace,

			Aahz

ps.  In regards to my earlier post on 'topic'.  I feel that both this and 
my previous message are on-topic because they could well be of interest 
to nukmerous people on the list.

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) DIS-DL Catalog update
Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:38:42 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:

> I just compared two Country Bear Playhouse ec's  They are different.  The
> older of the two (?) is "flatter" has the first dot in the boarder just to
> the right of "Disneyland" witch makes up part of the bottom boarder.  The
> newer (?) issue which was pressed on 9/5/95, has a small circle "r" in place
> of that first dot.  The wording is much clearer and thinner with the look of
> a slight "3D".

	So, thanks to Bob's sharp eye we now have another variant listing 
in the DIS-DL Catalog.  The relevant changes/additions are as follows:

DIS-DL-6 Country Bear Playhouse
   h. FL Bear w/ bass, "Country/Bear/Playhouse/Disneyland"
	Installed: ??/??	Removed: ??/95
   Notes: Lettering 'flat'

DIS-DL-6a Country Bear Playhouse
   h. FL Bear w/ bass, "Country/Bear/Playhouse/Disneyland"
	Installed: ??/95	Removed: 10/96
   Notes: Lettering '3D', circled 'r' replaces first border dot after 
"Disneyland"


	In other catalogging news, I wasn't able to view the images Carl 
sent of the two variants he found (compatability probs), so they're still 
in limbo.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Location Updates
Date: 17 Oct 1997 21:55:45 -0400 (EDT)


The following places in Ohio have penny machines.  Greater detail to follow
later.  If you are possibly interested in any, let me know.

Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky (nine designs; now closed for season)
Great Lakes Science Center in Cleveland (three designs)
Inventure Place/National Inventors Hall of Fame in Akron (four designs)
Parmatown Mall (four designs; yes, it's in the Parma that Drew Carey sings
about)
Toledo Zoo (confirmed machine, will probably go this weekend)
Columbus Zoo (confirmed machine, may have to send siblings there later to
collect)
Akron Zoo (confirmed machine, but they're closed for the winter)

The following places DO NOT have penny machines: Rock And Roll Hall of Fame +
Museum in Cleveland; Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton.  Go figure!



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Mini-meet report
Date: 18 Oct 1997 02:05:35 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	Well, the Northern California list members had a "mini-meet" 
tonight.  Mickey was kind enough to offer his home, so we met there for 
pizza, trade and talk.  Who was there?  Mickey and family, Jeff and wife, 
and myself.

	I got there a little early and Mickey, his wife (who's name I've 
already forgotten.  Many apologies, but I'm horrible with names) 
discussed eBay and online auctions until Jeff and Deidre arrived.  Once 
they got there (and we got the dog to stop howling ;) it took all of five 
seconds to have the binders laid out.

  	We talked and traded (and ate a little pizza) for the next FOUR 
and a HALF HOURS!  Woo Hoo!!  Needless to say, both wives present were 
pretty ready for things to wind up, but I was having a blast (and I think 
Mickey and Jeff were both going fairly strong at the end as well.

	Mickey has framed his complete Disney set of elongates and they 
look wonderful.  Perhaps he can be persuaded to describe it for the list 
(nudge, nudge).

	Speaking of Disney coins, between the three of us we had four 
copies of DIS-WDW-13.  Amazingly enough, all four were different, so I 
have identified four of the six variants.  Unfortunately none of us knows 
which machine our coins came from, but perhaps we will be able to figure 
that out in the future.

	Trading went well.  Roughly a hundred coins changed hands tonight 
between the three of us.  Both Jeff and Mickey managed to pull out almost 
the same number of coins from my trade stock as I pulled from theirs so 
that made my trades flow pretty smoothly.  I managed to aquire a few more 
donations to the auction as well :)

	Discussion was pretty much all over the elongated map.  We spent 
a fair amount of time on Jeff and Deidre's penny hunting road trip out 
here from Boston, penny collecting stories, Disney coins (from both 
coasts), what direction the internet EC community should/will take and 
how to move things along, the list itself and the people hereon (sorry, 
no really juicy gossip), TEC and my disputes with the organization and 
some of the people there-in (all of which has been mentioned here 
before), which coins to roll on, machine companies, the possibilty of 
changes to US coins and the effect on elongates, painting elongates 
(which both Deidre and I have been doing), and general "small talk" 
topics (including some detailed wather stuff beleive it or not).

	What came of all this talk?  Well I think we all had a really 
good time and learned more about each other as well as ECs, but I don't 
recall solving any of the world's problems.  Not really any specifics to 
be shared that I can think of, though the others might want to throw in 
something.

	Overall it was a blast.  Still haven't met a list member that 
didn't seem like a genuinely nice person.  I highly recommend jumping on 
any opportunity you have to get together with other collectors like this 
and I'm even more excited now about the "holiday" list-meet at Disneyland.

		Peace,

			Aahz








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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	Well, I remembered a topic from the meet last night that should 
make for an interesting and informative discussion:

	Jeff has started placing his elongates in 2x2s and is using 
rubber cement to seal them rather then staples.  I have heard of people 
using double sided tape as well.  Both of these methods leave the 2x2 
looking sharper then having staples thru it.  Personally, I use staples 
simply because it's fast, easy and cheap.

	How do you seal your 2x2s and can you think of any benefits or 
drawbacks of using one system over another?

		Peace,

			Aahz






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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 19:12:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-18 16:58:42 EDT, you write:

> 	How do you seal your 2x2s and can you think of any benefits or 
>  drawbacks of using one system over another?
>  

Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black.  Don't know
about
rubber cement.  Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal?  I've seen that
used. 
there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued.  I don't think
they make 
an elongate 2X2.

Just my flat cents worth,
-Bob Hoff



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black.  Don't know
> about rubber cement.  Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal?  I've 
> seen that used.

	No, he said rubber cement.  He asked if I foresaw any problems 
and I basically said I don't see how as long as it doesn't come into 
contact with the coins (and in that case I wsan't sure).

	What's silicone seal?  Cost?  Where to get it?
 
> there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued.  I don't think
> they make an elongate 2X2.

	I've seen the ads for these, but don't they run like a quarter 
apiece instead of the couple cents a piece that the regular 2x2s cost?  I 
also don't know if they have elongate 2x2s, but I highly doubt it at the 
moment.  If there's enough interest we could probably get them to though.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 20:07:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-18 19:37:28 EDT, you write:

> 
>  On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>  
>  > Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black.  Don't know
>  > about rubber cement.  Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal?  I've 
>  > seen that used.
>  
>  	No, he said rubber cement.  He asked if I foresaw any problems 
>  and I basically said I don't see how as long as it doesn't come into 
>  contact with the coins (and in that case I wsan't sure).
>  
>  	What's silicone seal?  Cost?  Where to get it?

It's often used to glue and seal glass seams in aquariums.  It comes in
colors,
most would use clear.  Costs about $2-3.00 for a toothpaste tube size.
>   
>  > there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued.  I don't
think
>  > they make an elongate 2X2.
>  
>  	I've seen the ads for these, but don't they run like a quarter 
>  apiece instead of the couple cents a piece that the regular 2x2s cost?  I 
>  also don't know if they have elongate 2x2s, but I highly doubt it at the 
>  moment.  If there's enough interest we could probably get them to though.

Not many Numismatists use them.  


-Bob



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 19:38:16 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	I just learned that the Six Flags Over Texas theme park is going 
to be taken over by Premier Parks next year.  One of the things they're 
going to do is remove the Warner Bros. cartoon characters from the park.  
I know there are numerous penny machines in SFOT.  Can someone in Texas 
make it a priority to get to SFOT before the end of the year?  Obviously 
I'm interested in one of these sets as are many others on the list.  And 
soon they'll be gone 'forever'.

		Peace,

			Aahz






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 20:09:55 -0700 (PDT)


	Here's some more (possibly relevant) info on SFOT, including 
hours, prices, and directions -- 

>    October 18-19 Open 10:00AM
>    October 24 Open 6:00PM
>    October 25-26 Open 10:00AM
>    October 31 Open 6:00PM
>    November 1-2 Open 10:00AM
>    November 28-30 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>    December 5 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
>    December 6-7 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>    December 12 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
>    December 13-14 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>    December 19 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
>    December 20-23 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>    December 26-28 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>    
>     Note: Dates and times are subject to change. For current information and
>     closing times call 817/640-8900 ext. 2222
>     
>      _________________________________________________________________
>    
>   Admission Price
>   
>    Tickets for adults are $31.97. Children under 48 inches tall are
>    admitted at a discounted price of $25.99, as are senior citizens age
>    55 and over. Children age two and under are admitted free. All prices
>    are plus tax. Six Flags honors V, MC, and DSC. Season Passes are
>    $74.95 plus tax.
>      _________________________________________________________________
>    
>   Location
>   
>    Six Flags Over Texas is located between Dallas and Fort Worth at the
>    intersection of I-30 and SH-360 in the City of Arlington. Watch for
>    the Six Flags Drive exit.
>      _________________________________________________________________
>    
>       Texas Metroplex
>       
>    Six Flags Over Texas participates in the discount program called the
>    Texas Metroplex. By calling 1-800-METROPLex (disregard the "ex" when
>    dialing) you will be sent discount coupons for single day and two day
>    admission.
>    



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 23:09:58 -0700

On 10/18/97 8:09 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>>   Admission Price
>>   
>>    Tickets for adults are $31.97. Children under 48 inches tall are
>>    admitted at a discounted price of $25.99, as are senior citizens age
>>    55 and over. Children age two and under are admitted free. All prices
>>    are plus tax. Six Flags honors V, MC, and DSC. Season Passes are
>>    $74.95 plus tax.

Hi Everyone,


I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission 
for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to 
request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960's pennies for my set. 

What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?

Bert



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 09:12:03 -0400 (EDT)

>>In a message dated 97-10-19 02:11:33 EDT:
<< 
 
 I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission 
 for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to 
 request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960's pennies for my set. 
 
 What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?
 
 Bert
 
 >>
Sounds like a good idea, Bert.    You can count me in on paying a share of
the admission cost for someone to go and get the sets.   Your  idea of
sending  pre-82 pennies along with the money for the machines is also a good
one because then someone doesn't have to try and come up with all of  the
pre-82 coins.  

What does everyone think of  adding  in "a little extra"  as a thank-you for
someone doing this?   I don't know cuz I am new to this, but do all people do
this just for the fun or when you do lots of sets for everyone does it become
too time comsuming to be fun anymore?????   

Good Luck -- Davelle



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) TX Penny alert
Date: 19 Oct 1997 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT)

I like the idea that some of you have proposed ---making a contribution
toward  admission--and providing some pennies  ---I can provide pre82pennies.
Thank you         Al      (let's keep in touch)



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 11:23:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 02:11:33 EDT, you write:

> Hi Everyone,
>  
>  
>  I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission 
>  for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to 
>  request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960's pennies for my set. 
>  
>  What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?
>  
>  Bert
>  
>  
> 
Please count me in!

-Bob Hoff



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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) location/info
Date: 19 Oct 1997 07:40:56 -0000

Hello All,
I'm not sure if this is on the location keeper list or not (I havent had
much time to check lately) but i was a Toms Farms in Corona (CA) yesterday
and no sooner did I say this place needs a penny machine when I turned to
my left and there was a machine.  It has one design -a farmer holding a
pitchfork and says "Tom's Farms/Since 1971/Farmers Market".
Also my sister (who lives in Salt Lake City) heard that at the Childrens
Museum there is this device that remembles that of a hamsters wheel.  This
one a person actually walks around in the giant wheel and this smashes the
penny.  She went to the Museum and said it was not working, there is a
plexi-glass box to the right of the wheel which houses all the gears and as
you walk your suppose to be able to see the gears move.  When she was in
another part of the Museum she found a smashed penny (weird huh!) It says
"University of Utah/Engineering Dept"  so that must have been what the
wheel-device smashes out when working.
Gina
Also I have extra Tom's Farms if anyone is interested.



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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 07:44:20 -0000

> >  
> >  What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?
> >  
> >  Bert

Count me in too.  Does anybody have any idea how many might be in this set.
 Just wondering what costs are going to be involved.
Gina



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Elongates  for  Trade -(anyone interested)?
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:15:26 -0400 (EDT)

Elongates for trade ---If you are interested --contact me (let me know what
you would like to trade--maybe a trade can be arranged)

Games of peace --Los Angeles 1984--Eagle on the center of the elongate
Golden Days Drags--July 22,1984-- Corvette in center of elongate
Infantry training center--Ft.  Benning,Ga.--Crossed rifles in the certer of
the elongate
Skydive--Deland---airplane in the center of the elongate
Proud to be American--Eagle head in center of elongate
Keep it flying--American flag covers aprox. 1/2 of the elongate
Proud to be Irish American--outline of the United States with clover leaf in
the center
Proud to be Polish American
You are very special to me --heart in center of elongate-hearts around margin
of elongate

Thank you    Al    (If these interest  you contact me)



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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT)

I'd like to get in on this as well, $ and pennies does sound like it would be
a better deal for whoever ends up going. Also, I'm all for kicking in a bit
for whoever goes, I mean, one or two sets for someone is one thing, but when
it gets to be over ten, fair is fair. I'm just picturing someone walking
through the place with a backback full of change, I mean that stuff is HEAVY.
You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse with
$150 in change in it, it's not a pretty sight. So I guess I'm all sympathy
here......

Carl



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) location/info
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, zinful wrote:

> Also my sister (who lives in Salt Lake City) heard that at the Childrens
> Museum there is this device that remembles that of a hamsters wheel.  This
> one a person actually walks around in the giant wheel and this smashes the
> penny.  She went to the Museum and said it was not working, there is a
> plexi-glass box to the right of the wheel which houses all the gears and as
> you walk your suppose to be able to see the gears move.  When she was in
> another part of the Museum she found a smashed penny (weird huh!) It says
> "University of Utah/Engineering Dept"  so that must have been what the
> wheel-device smashes out when working.

	Well, Utah just moved WAY up on my list of places to visit!  This 
machine sounds awesome!  You think your sister could get a picture of the 
machine next time she visits?

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT)


	Wow!  I was just hoping to find a volunteer to go for me.  I 
didn't expect this kind of reaction.  I am glad to see it though!  I'm 
going to try to consolidate my replies to the various messages into this one.

	Bert proposed that anybody interested send $5 towards admission 
cost and copper pennies for rolling.  Well, if the person goes fills all 
the requests made so far their largest expense is not going to be park 
admission, but the 50c a pop elongating fees.  I am assuming that Bert 
intended to offer the $5 and pennies and still trade on a one-for-one 
basis for the coins themselves.

	Which brings me to Davelle's suggestion of "adding in 'a little 
extra' as a thank-you for someone doing this?"   Another great suggestion 
as this will likely be a primarily collecting focused trip.  As I write 
this there have been 8 sets requested.  Whoever makes this journey will 
certainly spend the majority of their time finding and rolling coins.  
Not to mention the time at home afterwards to seperate package and mail 
all the sets out.  This comes from my recent experiences rolling multiple 
sets at Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm.

	Gina asked if anyone knows how many coins are in the set.  Does 
anyone have any idea?  As far as I know we haven't had any reports of 
specific locations or a count of machines.  Judging by Six Flags Magic 
Mountain I would assume that the majority (if not all) of the machines 
will be located inside shops.  The SFoT web site lists 11 shops.  So, I'd 
say there are probably between 15 and 30 coins available.  DOn't ask how 
I did the math, it's merely an educated guess.

	All things considered this is what I propose.  Should someone 
step forward willing to collect all of the sets requested (and I'm sure 
there will be at least two more requests in the near future) I think each 
persoan requesting a set should offer $5 per set in addition to trading 
as usual for the coins themselves.  I am perfectly willing to do this 
myself although I'll be offline for sometime so may not be around to make 
the offer.

	As far as sending along your own coins to roll I have a couple 
comments. 
	1) When someone is rolling multiple sets it can be extremely 
difficult to sperate out one persons coins from another.  In other words, 
if someone is going to roll all of these, please have everyone send them 
interchangeable pennies (not wheaties for one, steelies for another, and 
painted stock for a third). If you want to send pennies just send 
coppers.  Wether they're wheaties or memorials don't expect the EXACT 
same coin back.
	2) How many are you going to send the person?  No one has any 
real idea how many coins are in the set.  If our volunteer sends out a 
call for coins because they don't think they have enough coppers, then 
I'd recommend each person requesting a set mail off a roll and consider 
it a further bonus to our hardy volunteer.  Again, I am more then willing 
to do the same should I be around when the request is made.
	3) It takes time for mail to get places.  I, for one, would hate 
to see our volunteer postponing their trip in order to wait for the last 
person's coins to arrive.  Time is limited and as we're entering the 
holiday season our volunteer will surely be busy as well.  The longer 
they wait the more difficult it will be. 

	Well, (as usual) this is far longer then I expected.  I would 
like to make a short list of those who have already expressed an interest 
in the set and a willingness to  kick in some cash on top of the coins 
themselves:

Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
Bert (creightoniii@home.com
Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)





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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Texas pennies
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:37:53 -0500

Count me in for a set as well.  Will gladly chip in some admission 
money, quarters, and pre 82 pennies.

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:40:16 -0500

Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
> 
> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:41:38 -0500

> You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse 
> 
> Carl

I sight I would love to see.  Pictures??



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From: HWH <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:46:16 -0500



Chris Aahz wrote:

>                Well, (as usual) this is far longer then I expected.  I would
> like to make a short list of those who have already expressed an interest
> in the set and a willingness to  kick in some cash on top of the coins
> themselves:
>
> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

  Please add us to the list as well.  I like your idea of sending a roll of
coppers and at least $5 to help with the cost of admission.  As new collectors we
have very little "trading stock", but would be more than willing to send money to
cover rolling machine expenses.

Thanks,
Trey




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 17:22:42 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 12:33:09 EDT, you write:

> You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse with
>  $150 in change in it, it's not a pretty sight.
>  

Oh!  Was that you, Carl?  :-)

-Bob



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 14:38:34 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

   Hi,

Sorry I'm so late replying to this, but I just got back from the Zoo
(where I was filling orders).  Please add me to the list!!!

Nancy




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:19:23 -0700 (PDT)


	I just KNEW there'd be more on this list.  Still under 24 hours 
since I made mention of the set and (I believe) less then 12 since Bert 
suggested his 'incentive program and it now looks like (in order of request):

  Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
  Bert (creightoniii@home.com
  Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
  Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
  Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
  Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
  Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
  Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
  Trey (tclh@hilconet.com)
  Mickey (ENTROPYM@aol.com)
  Nancy (nwooten@lightspeed.net)

	So counting the volunteer's own set we're talking 12 sets! 

	Several people have also said they'd prefer cash to trade on this 
transaction and I'm sure many others are more then willing to go that 
route. (No need to respond one way or the other on-list you can work that 
out with the volunteer when/if they materialize).

	This is one heck of a job!  Although the $55 bonus doesn't look 
too shabby either.  (well, subtract out $31.95 for the ticket as there's 
going to be very little park time left) and a $23.05 bonus still isn't 
too shabby.

	Bear in mind folks we still don't have a volunteer.  And, 
frankly, I wouldn't blame one for not coming forward at this point even 
with the financial and goodwill bonus.  Perhaps we need a couple 
volunteers. 

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:37:50 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/19/97 4:22:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> 	Bear in mind folks we still don't have a volunteer.  And, 
>  frankly, I wouldn't blame one for not coming forward at this point even 
>  with the financial and goodwill bonus.  Perhaps we need a couple 
>  volunteers. 
>  
OK, someone has to do it.
Everyone throw in an extra $20 and I'll fly there and collect them for you.
Do it for the hobby, for the sake of the community, do it.. for the children!

Mickey
TEC 2115



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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:32:53 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> 
>         I just learned that the Six Flags Over Texas theme park is going
> to be taken over by Premier Parks next year.  

Is this just the park in Texas or does it apply to ALL Six Flags parks
(Magic Mountain, Georgia, etc)?  If so, the problem is much larger than
it now appears.  What will happen to all the dies in the other parks?

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 18:58:29 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> Is this just the park in Texas or does it apply to ALL Six Flags parks
> (Magic Mountain, Georgia, etc)?  If so, the problem is much larger than
> it now appears.  What will happen to all the dies in the other parks?

	Short answer: Just SFoT

	Long answer: Okay, here's the deal as I understand it.  Six Flags 
Theme Parks (SFTP) OPERATES the parks known as Six Flags which are all 
actually OWNED by different companies, in this case Six Flags Texas 
(SFT).  SFTP's contract with SFT to operate SFoT (aren't acronyms fun? ;) 
expires 12/31/97.  Negotiations for a new contract were unsuccessful and 
Premeire Parks (PP) going to be taking over the park (on a 30 year 
contract) as of 1/1/98 or possibly 1/31/98 (but SFoT is closed in January 
anyway).  One of the sticking points in contract negotiations was that 
the owners of SFT originally opened the park as a historical Texas 
themepark (similar to KBF in California) and were not happy with Warner 
Bros. coming in with all of thier licensed product.
  
	From the chatter on rec.roller.coasters (r.r.c.) SFTP has had 
some pretty tough negotiations lately and has more coming up, although 
they just signed Six Flags Over Georgia (SFoG) to a new contract last 
year so we're safe on that one.

	SFoT is the only major park change I'm aware of for this year, 
although Premier also 'recently' purchased Kentucky Kingdom I don't know 
of any major changes there and am not sure how 'recent' that purchase was.
Now that I think of it, I just saw today that Six Flags Astroworld has 
been renamed Six Flags Houston.  Not sure when this happened or if the 
name change has actually gone into effect at the park yet.  If so, this 
would be another project for our TX volunteer should one materialize. 
(Please don't start posting 'I want and Astroworld set' to the list 
unless/until this name change gets confirmed and we get a volunteer to 
hit the park.)

	BTW, SFT owns the rights to the name 'Six Flags Over Texas' until 
the year 2009, so the name probably won't be changing very soon, although 
PP does have a track record of changing park names.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: "Kilcoyne" <jkilcoyne@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) "#034?
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:15:50

a "mule" when spoken of in elongates denotes a coin with an engraving 
on  both sides.  They may or may not be unrelated images. Alot of the 
older issues would have an event such as a worlds fair  on the obverse and 
an advertisement for say" armor meats" on the reverse .
hope this helps




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT)


Greetings & Salutations!

	This message doesn't deal at all with ECs and only somewhat with 
the list, but I consider you all friends so want to let you know what's 
up.  My final "desperate plan" to aquire funds in order to make the move 
South has fallen thru. <sigh>  As of tomorrow, I'm officially evicted 
from my current apartment and I don't expect the landlord to cut me any 
more slack so he'll probably arrive with the sherriff in the morning.
I'll be jumping online occaisonally this evening to 'finish up' a few 
things and possibly tomorrow morning as well.

	I'm going to be moving into The Beast (my car) with what little 
stuff I can carry there leaving room for pennies, penny paperwork, the 
'puter and sleeping room.  This means I've got to leave behind not only 
my furniture, etc., but also my rather substantial vampire collection.  A 
painful loss indeed, but there aren't any other options left.  At least 
the penny collection only takes up a small amount of floorboard space. :)

	Anywayz, this isn't supposed to be a 'poor Aahz' letter.  I just 
don't know how long I'm going to be off-line or where/when I will be 
surfacing again.  Bert's promised to keep an eye on the list, but don't 
ask too much of him as it's not really his gig.  If it looks like I'm 
going to be 'gone' for a while then I'll get the Auction donations to 
one of the more active list members and y'all can decide wether to keep 
the list up as is or whatever and what to do about the auction.  If there 
is to be no auction then the donations will be returned to the donators.

	Even if I can't get back here for quite some time I sincerely 
hope that the list continues in some form.  A lot of people have spent a 
good deal of time developing the community here and I'd hate to know it 
vanished just because I made some really bad life choices.

	If this is destined to be goodbye, then I want you allto know 
that it's been great getting to know you all.  I'll still be arounf the 
EC community one way or another and I'll be at the ANA convention in 
Portland next year.

	If anyone needs to get hold of me for some reason my voicemailbox 
at my old job is still active for now.  1-800-562-4301x5190.  Just dial 
the extension when the VM machine answers and if a person answers DON'T 
ask o be transferred to my voice mail as I don't want to remind them it's 
still active :)

		Hoping to return soon,

			Aahz







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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:41:16 -0500

Hello Chris,
I have been very busy and skipped over a lot of messages, so this is the
first I have heard of your troubles.  I am a long ways away, and not quite
sure what I can do to help.  Maybe others as well as myself can combine our
efforts.  Please let us know what you need, and what we can do.
Trey




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Trey wrote:

> I have been very busy and skipped over a lot of messages, so this is the
> first I have heard of your troubles.  

	I've tried to avoid discussing it on-list as it's pretty darn off 
topic not to mention somewhat embarrasing.

> I am a long ways away, and not quite
> sure what I can do to help.  Maybe others as well as myself can combine our
> efforts.  Please let us know what you need, and what we can do.

	I REALLY appreciate the thought, Trey, but I've allowed myself to 
get in an extremely tight corner.  The only things that could help now 
involve quite a bit more funding then I could ever ask people on the list 
for.  

	I'm like a cat, I always land on my feet.  I just don't know how 
long this fall is going to last.  The most important thing to me at the 
moment is that y'all keep the community centered around this list alive.  
And I know that will be done.

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 20 Oct 1997 00:04:52 EDT

Hello All,


	Please count me in for a set of Six Flags Over Texas coins.

			
			Thanks Jim



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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 23:21:42 -0500

Greetings All,

In the interest of time, I will cut to the chase.

Chris needs immediate financial assistance.  I can come up with $100 to start
us off.  I realize that not everyone else may be able to kick in that much, but
please let's all do what we can.  Any amount will help!

I knew almost nothing about elongates when Chris asked me to join the list.  I
have been entertained & educated for many months now, and never once been asked
asked to fund anything related to E.C.'s or the list.  It would appear to me
that it is time for a little payback(at least on my part), and I for one would
be proud to get the ball rolling.

This is solely my idea.  Chris has not asked for assistance - but needs our
help.

It is getting late here and I have to work in the morning.  Let's see what we
can get going on extremely short notice.  If nothing else we can get funds to
him by wire.  Again, Please give what you can.  I will do my best to help
coordinate.

Thank you all for your time and help,
Trey

P.S.  Please use the list to communicate on this subject.




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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 23:27:01 -0500

Hi Chris,
Do you have a Western Union location or something like that near by?  I will wire
funds on the way to work in the morning.
Trey




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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 00:48:48 -0400 (EDT)

Ditto here.

Since I' live nearby and I'm a little cash shy right now, I offered privately
to store some of Chris' belongings. He replied with a thanks and wait and
see. A guy just can't give up his vampire collection can he? I just hope that
his "furniture" doesn't consist of a coffin and a pile of dirt.

Mickey 
TEC 2115 



In a message dated 10/19/97 9:24:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Greetings All,
>  
>  In the interest of time, I will cut to the chase.
>  
>  Chris needs immediate financial assistance.  I can come up with $100 to 
> start
>  us off.  I realize that not everyone else may be able to kick in that
much, 
> but
>  please let's all do what we can.  Any amount will help!
>  
>  I knew almost nothing about elongates when Chris asked me to join the
list.  
> I
>  have been entertained & educated for many months now, and never once been 
> asked
>  asked to fund anything related to E.C.'s or the list.  It would appear to
me
>  that it is time for a little payback(at least on my part), and I for one 
> would
>  be proud to get the ball rolling.
>  
>  This is solely my idea.  Chris has not asked for assistance - but needs
our
>  help.
>  
>  It is getting late here and I have to work in the morning.  Let's see what

> we
>  can get going on extremely short notice.  If nothing else we can get funds

> to
>  him by wire.  Again, Please give what you can.  I will do my best to help
>  coordinate.
>  
>  Thank you all for your time and help,
>  Trey
>  
>  P.S.  Please use the list to communicate on this subject.
>  




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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT)

Chris,
	Hey man, I read your Life Notes, and it got me to thinking.  You 
need funding?  I've got a $100.00 to kick into the Help out Chris fund.  
I could wire it out tomorrow.  I'll stay on-line for quite awhile tonight 
to see if anyone pops up with details.  Direct funds transfer to a bank 
account, or something.  Let me know.

Matt Birchard
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

p.s.  you could pay me back whenever, if ever at all.  No worries about 
that.  :-)



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:24:50 -0700 (PDT)


	I have been genuienly moved by the offers of assistance both 
on-list and privately received.  I've been saying since this list began 
that you couldn't find a nicer group of people.  Thank you all very much.

	But I certainly couldn't let this little note slip by without comment:

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

<snip>
> I just hope that
> his "furniture" doesn't consist of a coffin and a pile of dirt.

	Of course, not, Mickey.  I've gotta sleep somewhere while on the 
road ;=

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:32:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Chris,
> 	Hey man, I read your Life Notes, and it got me to thinking.  You 
> need funding?  I've got a $100.00 to kick into the Help out Chris fund.  
> I could wire it out tomorrow.  I'll stay on-line for quite awhile tonight 
> to see if anyone pops up with details.  Direct funds transfer to a bank 
> account, or something.  Let me know.

	Since there seem to be a number of people on this list insisting 
on being far more generous then I deserve I will go ahead and post this 
info to the list.  Assistance is certainly appreciated, but definetly not 
expected in any way.

	If anyone does want to wire money to me (I have no idea how bank 
transfers work, so...) the best Western Union spot here is: 

	Money Market #1
	876 The Alameda
	San Jose, CA
	(408) 947-0959

	I don't know what other info (if any) you would need to get it to 
the right place.  None of the phone book ads list any kind of Western 
Union # or anything.  I believe they also accept MoneyGram, though I'm 
not positive.  And, as most of you know, my name is Chris Aahz.

		Thanx again everyone.  Just knowing you're thinking about 
me is enough to keep me going.  Anything else is icing on the cake!

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there!

I would be happy to help Chris out -  I can do a donation of  $100.00  but
don't know where to send it to.   Please let me know.    We don't have a
Western Union close by -- anyone got any other ideas??????     Thanks.
   Let's hope he gets back on feet soon!

Davelle
 



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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:12:23 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 16:31:40 EDT, you write:

<< Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
 Bert (creightoniii@home.com
 Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
 Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
 Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
 Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
 Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
  >>

Please add Sandy (MarxenSEM@aol.com)



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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:06:44 -0500



MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> I would be happy to help Chris out -  I can do a donation of  $100.00  but
> don't know where to send it to.   Please let me know.    We don't have a
> Western Union close by -- anyone got any other ideas??????     Thanks.
>    Let's hope he gets back on feet soon!
>
> Davelle

Hi Davelle,Western Union appears to be the best choice.  Just tell them it is
going to Chris Aahz in San Jose, CA.  They will take care of the rest.  Thanks
for your help.
Trey





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:41:06 -0400 (EDT)


Hi

The last I heard is:

There are nine of them, Castle, Mickey, Mini, Donald, Daisy, Chip 'n Dale,
Huey+Loiie+Dewey, Hercules "A", and Hercules "B".

On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s) will be
back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.

This agrees in great part with what Dave Tomita, Chris Aahz and others have
said. So, it *could* be true, donno.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff

P.S. If I disapear, could be a bunch of underground smugglers have me! :-)



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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:55:34 -0800

Sorry for the clutter but I had to reread this line (and got a big
laugh):

On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s)
will be
back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.

from the post below....it would have caused quite a discernation amongs
Goofy fans!  Yet elation for Minnie fans, except those who hadn't had
heard the news that she was missing in the first place....In this day
and age, even 'Toons have to be careful.

Alan Kita

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> The last I heard is:
> 
> There are nine of them, Castle, Mickey, Mini, Donald, Daisy, Chip 'n Dale,
> Huey+Loiie+Dewey, Hercules "A", and Hercules "B".
> 
> On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s) will be
> back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.
> 
> This agrees in great part with what Dave Tomita, Chris Aahz and others have
> said. So, it *could* be true, donno.
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> -Bob Hoff
> 
> P.S. If I disapear, could be a bunch of underground smugglers have me! :-)



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:18:42 -0400 (EDT)

Alan;

    %-)

-Bob



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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:07:58 -0500

Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over the
list.  If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
Union in his name to San Jose, CA.

Thanks again,
Trey




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!] 
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:42:25 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	Yep, I'm still here (for the moment).  Thought I'd update the 
SFoT list again.  I know if I were going to do this I'd want it all in 
one place and in order of request.  We're up to 14 sets now!!!  I can 
only think of two or three 'regular' posters who haven't asked for this 
set yet.  And if everyone comes thru with the extra $5 the total's up to 
$65 that'll cover admission for two to the park or one admission and gas 
money.

Anywayz, here's the list as I have it:

  Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
  Bert (creightoniii@home.com)
  Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
  Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
  Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
  Gina (zinful@prodigy.net)
  Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
  Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
  Trey (tclh@hilconet.com)
  Mickey (ENTROPYM@aol.com)
  Nancy (nwooten@lightspeed.net)
  Jim (jimabbot@juno.com)
  Sandy (MarxenSEM@aol.com)







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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> The last I heard is:

	Thanx for the update, Bob!  I've forwarded your info to all my 
possible Tokyo Benefactors.

		Peace,

			Aahz
 	(who is taking a brief respite from packing to mourn for Goofy) 



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Trey wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over the
> list.  If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
> Union in his name to San Jose, CA.

	I'd like to thank you all again for your assistance and emotional 
support (and for tolerating your mailboxes being flooded with messages 
about my personal problems).  

	Should anyone else decide to wire funds please send me e-mail or 
voice mail (or both) letting me know you've done so and your city and 
state  (Western Union requires I know this as well as your last name  
though I think I know most).  Again, I do not remotely expect anyone to  
do this I just want to make sure no ones money gets 'lost' in the 
Western Union files because I can't pick it up should they decide to do so.

	You're all great people!!  I'm basically on a second-to-second 
residency at the moment, so don't know how long I will be able to stay 
online, but odds are good that I'll be sitting here typing when the knock 
comes to the door :)

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!] 
Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:04:32 -0700

Hey everybody,


Of course I want a set too!  Actually, I've been trying to get us a
contact for the sets.
However, maybe Mickey has the right idea.

On Chris's situation, Deirdre and I would love to help.  However, we're
trying to scrape up enough
tickets to go home and visit family.  It has us "pretty close to the
wire" right now.

Chris, I hope everything works out!

- Jeff





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-20 16:49:27 EDT, you write:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>  
>  > The last I heard is:
>  
>  	Thanx for the update, Bob!  I've forwarded your info to all my 
>  possible Tokyo Benefactors.
>  
>  		Peace,
>  
>  			Aahz
>   	(who is taking a brief respite from packing to mourn for Goofy) 
>  

He will live on in copper. :-)

-Bob



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:53:35 -0400 (EDT)


Hi All'

Just a quick note regarding trading ediquette.

Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
But, there are many new collectors / traders here.  So,
if you do not use copper, or have zinc trades, PLEASE
so note on your trade list.  Many people will "assume"
that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated.  Some
people do not collect zinc at all, others collect both.  If
copper, you may want to note if it is a "wheatie", "BU",
etc.

Thanks and happy collecting,

-Bob Hoff



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) SFoT Discount Card
Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	It's amazing what you can find when sorting thru paperwork!  I 
just came across a Six Flags 1997 V.I.P. card.  It gives a $10 admission 
discount for up to 8 people at Six Flags Magic Mountain and the back says: 

"Plus, save at all Six Flags Theme Parks Nationwide! Discounts vary.  
Discounts subject to change without notice.  For info. call (805) 255-4129."

	So, once we find a volunteer to get this set I recommend they 
call and find out what this card would be good for at SFoT.  I'd be happy 
to loan them the card to help cut costs on getting th sets.

		Peace,

			Aahz






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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) SFoT Set
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:46:56 -0600 (MDT)


	Remember, folx, you can't use the word S*bscribe in a message to
the list or it gets bounced.  I'm not going to be around to retririeve
these, so if you don't get a message back that you sent to the list, wait
24 hours or so then resend it.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Message-ID: <971020175456_1466246389@emout17.mail.aol.com>

Some possible ideas for getting a set from SFoT.
Does anyone know of someone in TEC that lives in Texas? It's now that I wish
that we had a directory of TEC members.
What about a nusimatic contact in Texas? Any good coin clubs? 
How about newsgroups? Does anyone s*bscribe to a newsgroup for say
amusement park enthusiasts?
I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there that would like to get free
admission to SFoT in exchange for pressing and mailing out a few (quite a
few) sets, we just have to find them.
BTW, in what city is SFoT?

Mickey Morgan
TEC 2115

--------End Forwarded Message--------

	Mickey's got some great ideas here! 

	There are two appropriate newsgroups: rec.roller.coasters and
rec.parks.theme (maybe rec.park.theme).  I haven't gone that route myself
as they can take days to distribute the message and I may not be around to
get their response.

	Those of you on AOL or another large national ISP may want to
check the availability of localized texas newsgroups also, presumably
they'd be in a tx.* heirarchy.


		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SFoT Set
Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:59:47 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

>         Remember, folx, you can't use the word S*bscribe in a
> message to
> the list or it gets bounced.  I'm not going to be around to
> retririeve
> these, so if you don't get a message back that you sent to the
> list, wait
> 24 hours or so then resend it.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
> Message-ID: <971020175456_1466246389@emout17.mail.aol.com>
> To: elongates-digest@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
>
> BTW, in what city is SFoT?
>

Arlington, Texas (near Dallas)

Nancy

> Mickey Morgan
> TEC 2115






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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:08:06 -0700

On 10/20/97 1:07 PM Trey (tclh@hilconet.com ) wrote

>Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over 
>the
>list.  If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
>Union in his name to San Jose, CA.
>
>Thanks again,
>Trey

I'm not working yet (after Apple's lay off's week before last) but I can 
send Chris $100 and will get it to Western Union.

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:10:30 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
> But, there are many new collectors / traders here.  So,

	Unfortunately, most rollers use only current coins (thus zinc), 
so there are always going to be a lot of coins that are only available on 
zinc coins.

> so note on your trade list.  Many people will "assume"
> that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated.  Some

	Not to disagree with Bob, but I just can't do this for a few reasons:

	1) It takes me a few hours to type up my trade list from scratch 
as is and it generally runs about ten pages worth of information.  
Having to note wether each coin is copper or zinc will not only be more 
time consuming, but also add quite a bit of length to my list.

	2) I have multiple copies of many issues, some on zinc, some on 
copper.  Am I expected to list the quantity of each?  If so, see above.

	3) The thing I do on every list I send out is put something to 
the effect of "If you have specific questions about the condition of a 
coin please ask" at the top.  This is the other person's opportunity to 
say 'no-zinc' or 'zinc only' or whatever.  I also try to clarify each 
coin in my confirmation of the trade.

	A few months back I posted a little survey to the list asking 
what information people thought was important in a trade list.  Of the 35 
s*bscribers the list had at that time I got a grand total of ONE 
response.  And he liked the way I did my list.  Perhaps it's time for 
another such survey.

	I'm REALLY curious on peoples thoughts on this issue!!

		Peace,

			Aahz

(who's still not homeless! WooHoo! :)




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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Great Location Updates...
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:43:44 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I just got a great location report and wanted to pass it on... Here's the 
Maui info I have been looking for (without success). I have been finding 
sites (on the net) with emails and asking all kinds of folks on Maui for 
help, and none have seen the machines... Sooooo, here's the scoop...

Hold on to your 'me too' emails... A friend will be on Maui in Nov and I 
will try to load him up with uncirc 1960's pennies, getting enough for us 
all! His wife may kill me though, so if you get Maui pennies and stop 
seeing me here, you'll know I paid with my life...

Gina, do you know about the place in Santa Ana, is it close to Hwy5, is 
it still there?

Bert
--------
I have a few updates for you web pages:
 
My son just returned from a trip to Maui. He found the coin you 
have mentioned, but I would add that the machine is located at 
the Airport, in the gift shop. The airport is at Kahalui, Maui. 
The information you show for the coin is correct.
 
On the other side of the Island he found another machine. This 
one was located at Ka'anapali Beach - at the Whaling Museum. 
Machine is on the front porch.
 
Penny Machine:
 
Dotted edge. [Breaching Humpback Whale.] "Whalers village - 
Lahaina, Maui."
 
(Although the coin says Lahaina, the museum is actually at 
Ka'anapali Beach, a few miles away. You can't miss the museum, 
it's a major tourist attraction.)
 
 
Found this coin at the swap meet:
 
Penny Machine:
Dotted edge, w/hole punched.
 
[no artwork]
6 lines of text:
 
L1  "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized 
print)
 
L2  "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
L3  "HORTON MERCANTILE."
L4  "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
L5  "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
L6  "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)






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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:00:39 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
> > But, there are many new collectors / traders here.  So,
>
>         Unfortunately, most rollers use only current coins (thus
> zinc),
> so there are always going to be a lot of coins that are only
> available on
> zinc coins.
>
> > so note on your trade list.  Many people will "assume"
> > that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated.  Some
>
>         Not to disagree with Bob, but I just can't do this for a
> few reasons:
>
>         1) It takes me a few hours to type up my trade list from
> scratch
> as is and it generally runs about ten pages worth of information.
> Having to note wether each coin is copper or zinc will not only be
> more
> time consuming, but also add quite a bit of length to my list.
>
>         2) I have multiple copies of many issues, some on zinc,
> some on
> copper.  Am I expected to list the quantity of each?  If so, see
> above.
>
>         3) The thing I do on every list I send out is put
> something to
> the effect of "If you have specific questions about the condition
> of a
> coin please ask" at the top.  This is the other person's
> opportunity to
> say 'no-zinc' or 'zinc only' or whatever.  I also try to clarify
> each
> coin in my confirmation of the trade.
>
>         A few months back I posted a little survey to the list
> asking
> what information people thought was important in a trade list.  Of
> the 35
> s*bscribers the list had at that time I got a grand total of ONE
> response.  And he liked the way I did my list.  Perhaps it's time
> for
> another such survey.
>
>         I'm REALLY curious on peoples thoughts on this issue!!
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> (who's still not homeless! WooHoo! :)


Well, being relatively new to the list, I didn't have the
opportunity to respond last time, so here goes!!!  I have to agree
with Bob, though I see Chris' point also.  I see no problem with not
specifying whether a coin is zinc or not on an extensive list, such
as the one Chris has, but I know that I do like to know what I'm
trading for.   If everyone would confirm what the coin they were
sending was prior to sending it, it would give the recipient a
chance to accept coin, or choose another.

Recently I sent some coins which were zinc in a trade, without
thinking to mention what they were.  The recipient was rather
distressed when he received them.  I have since exchanged the coins,
and you can be sure that won't happen again, as I won't offer any of
my old stock, no matter how badly I want to make the trade.  Since I
only use copper now, you can all be sure of what you are getting
from me, unless I note otherwise.

I think that we all are 'educated' shortly after joining this list,
and are now pressing coins only on copper, but the older coins in
our collections were most likely collected at a time when we thought
that the best coin to use was a 'shiny' one.  Many of us started
with souvenirs for our children, and when they would come to us
asking for a 'shiny penny' to use, of course we would look high and
low for the required coin.

Communication is the key here, and as long as we all communicate
clearly with each other and don't try to 'put one over' on someone,
we should be able to continue to function well as a group.

Nancy






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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:06:48 -0700

On 10/20/97 1:54 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>but odds are good that I'll be sitting here typing when the knock 
>comes to the door :)

Chris

Remember, as you are riding away in the paddy wagon, and you start to 
hear a thump thump thump, that will be a location keeper bighting their 
tires! You have out support!

bc

(For newer list members... in the very early days of this list, I said 
being a location keeper (maintaining a web site of EC locations) was like 
being a dog that bites tires, you go round and round a lot, but 
eventually you get there. I am a dog lover, so this was meant in fun! 
Chris 'coined' the term location keepers and it stuck...)



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:32:09 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	The following is a simple survey regarding what YOU think is 
important information to be placed on a trade list.  AS I will likely not 
be around to compile results, please respond on-list until/unless someone 
announces that they are willing to take over the project.  Even should 
someone volunteer to compile the information it would still be nice to 
see the reponses posted to the list so we can all get a better idea of 
what people want in our trade lissts (besides the list is automatically 
archived).  

			BEGIN SURVEY

Please respond to each question with either a "yes", "no" or 
"indifferent".  Feel free to leave assitional comments on either a per 
question basis or at the end of your reponses.

Any examples given will be describing coin CA-WMH-1 Logo which many list 
members have in their collections and is also viewable on ...'s 
Penny Page.  The direct URL to the appropriate page is:
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/winchester_logo.htm
(NOTE: This URL is subject to change)

Is this information important to you on a trade list?

Value in PEUs:
ie. 1 PEU (A PEU is a Penny Equivalency (sp?) Unit-the standard value 
unit for trading on the list)

Catalog number (if available):
ie. CA-WMH-1 Logo

Location of machine:
ie. Winchester Mystery House, San Jose CA

Orientation:
ie. h.

Border:
ie. Dotted

Brief description:
ie. Winchester Mystery House logo

Moderate description:
ie. House over Rifle logo, "Winchester/Mystery House/San Jose, California"

Detailed Description:
ie. Oval logo, "Winchester" arcs around top of house, "Mystery House" 
straight across center, below house and above a rifle, "San Jose, 
California" arcs around bottome of oval.

Condition of image:
ie. perfect image or right side of border missing

Condition of coin:
ie. Cleaned and shiny, dark but clean, uncleaned

Type of coin:
ie. Copper/zinc

Machine maker/roller:
ie. Eurolink or Willy Massey

Engraver:
ie. Eurolink or Frank Brazzell

Number available:
ie. 1

Anything else:

Further comments:






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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:07:43 -0500

Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
yet...I'll keep you posted.
The total cost will be:

X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
Where X equals total number of coins available

So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.

I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
to me.

...
The PennyPage
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 21 Oct 1997 09:23:10 -0700

On 10/20/97 11:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Is this information important to you on a trade list?

Yes, all this info is important to me on a trade list AS WELL AS on 
location keeper sites. I don't need all this detail listed on every trade 
list. It would be nice to have all this info on location keeper sites 
(plural) so that I could take a trade list and look up a detailed (text) 
description AND see a picture of the coin I am trading for. Knowing if 
the coin is a pre-82, wheat or zinc (assuming pennies) is important to 
me. I am using uncirculated 1960's pennies for my trading stock now, and 
I'd like to get similar quality coins in trade. I started off trading 
zincs (hey, I didn't know better till Jeff Dixon set me straight - Thanks 
Jeff!). 

One thing I would like to be sure we have a standard way of describing is 
2 sided (mule) coins. I am finding more and more in my smashing trips and 
trading... Also, it would be nice to know if a coin was smashed with a 
die meant for a smaller coin. By this I mean a large coin (like my Susan 
B. Anthony's) that were run through a penny die, so the image is much 
smaller than the coin. I still will trade for these, but I would like to 
know the images are smaller...

When coins come from Rollers, it would be nice to know this from the web 
sites... If a coin is available from a location, I can decide if I want 
to try and visit it or trade for it. If it is a 'roller coin' then I can 
decide if I want to trade for it, or possible buy it from the roller... 
Supporting rollers is important!

Sooo, a trade list with Chris' catalog number and Pre-82/wheat/zinc/ is 
what I would like. Then I could go to one of several web sites and see 
the coin (1 like it) and decide to trade or not.

Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both 
inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing 
to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it 
than any 1 person can handle. I think the images should be sent to 
several sites, so that no one site becomes a point of failure (hmmmm, I'm 
starting to sound like an engineer!)... Nuff said...

bc




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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 20 Oct 1997 21:13:53 -0500


I sent this message yesterday, but after reading e-mails today, I don't
think it ever went through. So here it is again:

----------
> From: ... <...>
> To: elongates-digest@XMission.com
> Subject: Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 4:07 PM
> 
> Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
> going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
> yet...I'll keep you posted.
> The total cost will be:
> 
> X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
> Where X equals total number of coins available
> 
> So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
> out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.
> 
> I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
> to me.
> 
> ...
> The PennyPage
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Great Location Updates...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:39:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> have mentioned, but I would add that the machine is located at 
> the Airport, in the gift shop. The airport is at Kahalui, Maui. 

	It's about time someone put a machine in an airport!  Personally, 
I think all airports would be natural spots for penny machines!

> L1  "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized 
> print)
> L2  "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
> L3  "HORTON MERCANTILE."
> L4  "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
> L5  "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
> L6  "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)

	Well, I tried the phone number and no ansewr after10 rings.  Also 
did a Big Yellow Search on "Horton Mercantile" and no such business is 
listed in any yellow pages nationwide.  So I'd say they're no longer in 
business.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:49:02 -0500

... wrote:
> 
> Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
> going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
> yet...I'll keep you posted.
> The total cost will be:
> 
> X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
> Where X equals total number of coins available
> 
> So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
> out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.
> 
> I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
> to me.
> 
> ...


Boy, this sounds great.  Let us have address so we can send money.

Flats



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:52:29 -0700

On 10/21/97 11:39 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> L1  "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized 
>> print)
>> L2  "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
>> L3  "HORTON MERCANTILE."
>> L4  "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
>> L5  "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
>> L6  "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)
>
>	Well, I tried the phone number and no ansewr after10 rings.  Also 
>did a Big Yellow Search on "Horton Mercantile" and no such business is 
>listed in any yellow pages nationwide.  So I'd say they're no longer in 
>business.

Should we expand our cataloging efforts to include "no longer available" 
vs still available? I got a coin from Boston (in trading) and was happy 
to no it was no longer available. 

Again, let's keep this as simple as possible. I think trading lists and 
location keeper sites that are integrated make lots of sense. This way we 
can make our trade lists short and sweat, and look up all the detailed 
info (when the machine was last scene, info about a certain roller, etc) 
on web sites...

Example:

Trade List
1) CA-PGA-1 Vortex (Paramount)

Web Site (What it would contain)
   h. Concentric circles ending in coaster car logo, "Vortex/Great
America"
   Border: Dotted
        Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
        Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???
   Notes: Installed before Paramount bought park
   Status: Working on 10/10/97. 
   Picture available at this URL: www.abc.CA-PGA-1.html

What do you all think? Help me keep it simple!

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:12:32 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 10/20/97 11:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
> 
> >Is this information important to you on a trade list?
> 
> Yes, all this info is important to me on a trade list 

	Of course, this may explain why we've never seen your complete 
trade list posted ;)  It takes a lot of time to include all that detail.  
Especially the first time, or if your list changes a lot!  If lists are 
posted in small sections I can see it though.

> AS WELL AS on 
> location keeper sites. I don't need all this detail listed on every trade 
> list. It would be nice to have all this info on location keeper sites 
> (plural) so that I could take a trade list and look up a detailed (text) 
> description AND see a picture of the coin I am trading for. 

	This is one of the long term goals.  Although I'd actually prefer 
to see the info split into two areas (linked obviously).  One area would 
be the virtual penny museum.  The VPM would have coins listed by category 
number with complete descriptions, an image available and a link to the 
appropriate LK information.  
	The second area would be the location keepers siteS.  These would   
have, well, location information.  Location information includes machine 
location/directions (both as detailed as possible), the catalog number of 
the coin (remember, the title is part of the number), recent status of 
the machine, and a link to the relevant portion of the VPM.
	Putting all of this information in one place seems to me to not 
only create more work/bandwidth/server space needs, but also will tend to 
"clutter up" both sites.

	That said, we don't have either the VPM or really detailed LK 
sites yet (no, Bert, that's not a crack, you're doing a great job!)  All 
of this is going to take time and then there are always going to be 
NUMEROUS coins that haven't been added yet.  I need to know what people 
want on a trade list NOW.

> One thing I would like to be sure we have a standard way of describing is 
> 2 sided (mule) coins. I am finding more and more in my smashing trips and 
> trading... 

	I don't quite understand that there's NOT a standard way of 
describing two-sided coins or mules.  It seems to me that you simply list 
it as such:
XX-YYY-1 Sample Mule
   obv. h. Image, "Text/Text"
   rev. v. Image, "Text/Text/Text"

	The only dfference between listing a two sided coin and a one 
sided coin is the addition of obverse (obv.) and reverse (rev.)  As for 
deciding which side is which, that'll basically be done by the first 
person to so list the coin 8-)

> Also, it would be nice to know if a coin was smashed with a 
> die meant for a smaller coin. By this I mean a large coin (like my Susan 
> B. Anthony's) that were run through a penny die, so the image is much 
> smaller than the coin. I still will trade for these, but I would like to 
> know the images are smaller...

	I couldn't agree more that this is an important piece of 
information!  I have several large denomination coins that were rolled 
with penny dies, and frankly I thnk they're really ugly.  On the other 
hand I think the quarters pressed on quarter dies are magnificent.

> Sooo, a trade list with Chris' catalog number and Pre-82/wheat/zinc/ is 
> what I would like. Then I could go to one of several web sites and see 
> the coin (1 like it) and decide to trade or not.
> 
> Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both 

	I agree that thios would be the ultimate trading list.  
Unfortunately it is still some time off.  I still need an overall prioity 
list of what's important to people so that when I start making trade 
lists again I hit the key areas, but don't waste hours with unwanted info.

> inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing 
> to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it 
> than any 1 person can handle. 

	Speaking of scanning...has anyone used a digital camera to take 
pictures of elongates?  It seems to me this would be a much faster/easier 
way to get the images then flatbed scanning.  

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Should we expand our cataloging efforts to include "no longer available" 
> vs still available? I got a coin from Boston (in trading) and was happy 
> to no it was no longer available. 

	I'm assuming you mean 'trade list efforts'.  The catalog is, of 
course, covering NLA issues.  I think the NLA vs CA issue is refelcted in 
the PEU value assigned to the coins, so don't see the need to add yet 
another piece of information.

> Again, let's keep this as simple as possible. I think trading lists and 
> location keeper sites that are integrated make lots of sense. This way we 
> can make our trade lists short and sweat, and look up all the detailed 
> info (when the machine was last scene, info about a certain roller, etc) 
> on web sites...

	That's the whole purpose of creating the catalog in the first 
place.  With DL coins we can all simply refer to them by number now as 
everyone who wants one should have a copy of the list and it's also 
posted on Kathy's Penny Page.  
	
	However, it's going to take time to build up all of these sites 
and we can't count on you and Kathy doing it alone!  As several people 
know I am strongly considering setting up a new domain for elongates.  
However, aside from my current personal problems, I am going to need a 
lot of help in setiting up the web site and (as Bert mentioned earlier) 
doing the scanning.  I'd like to see anyone with server space available 
(most ISP accounts come with some server space) provide help out with 
donating some space for the LK and museum sites.  

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

	Well, it seems Al was right and the rest of us were wrong (Sorry 
Al!).  An announcement was made today that the Cedar Point Limited 
Partnership is purchasing Knott's Berry Farm lock, stock, and jelly jar!  
Hopefully there won't be many changes, but I thought y'all would be 
interested, so the Press Release is below (couldn't get the direct URL to 
work <shrug>)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
   Full story
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Knott's Berry Farm
   09:00 a.m. Oct 21, 1997 Eastern
   
   SANDUSKY, Ohio, Oct. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P. (NYSE: FUN),
   a publicly traded partnership that operates four seasonal amusement
   parks, today announced that it has reached agreement in principle for
   the acquisition of Knott's Berry Farm, a privately held partnership
   which owns and operates Knott's Berry Farm theme park in Buena Park,
   California and manages Knott's Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America in
   Bloomington, Minnesota. The acquisition will be made with a
   combination of Cedar Fair limited partnership units and cash. The
   transaction is subject to a number of conditions and conclusion of a
   definitive agreement. Further details were not disclosed.
   
   Knott's Berry Farm is a family-oriented theme park with six themed
   areas on more than 150 acres. The park is currently involved in
   expanding its existing operations into a new area which will feature a
   major wooden roller coaster, planned to open in the Spring of 1999.
   Knott's generates annual revenues of approximately $120 million and
   serves approximately 3.5 million guests per year, principally from the
   Los Angeles and Southern California markets. With the addition of
   Knott's, Cedar Fair will generate annual revenues approaching $400
   million and attendance of more than 10 million guests per year.
   
   "This is an excellent opportunity for both companies," said Richard L.
   Kinzel, president and chief executive officer of Cedar Fair. "Knott's
   is a very well-run organization with excellent management and
   employees, and we will fit well together. In addition, this
   transaction gives us year-round park operations for the first time, in
   a park with an outstanding reputation in our industry and among its
   millions of loyal guests."
   
   "There are great synergies between these two fine companies and this
   transaction will benefit all those involved," said Terry E. Van
   Gorder, president and chief executive officer of Knott's.
   
   Cedar Fair, L.P. owns and operates Cedar Point, located on Lake Erie
   between Cleveland and Toledo, Valleyfair near Minneapolis-St. Paul,
   Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom, near Allentown, Pennsylvania, and
   Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun, located in Kansas City, Missouri.
   SOURCE Cedar Fair, L.P.
   
   Copyright 1997, PR Newswire [INLINE]
   



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:38:56 -0700

Do we know when the machines will be removed?  Has Knott's closed yet
for the winter?

- Jeff




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Do we know when the machines will be removed?  Has Knott's closed yet
> for the winter?

	Knott's doesn't close for the winter.  They're open year round.

	As for the machines, I doubt they will be removed anytime in the 
near future.  There was no mention of a name change and with the history 
behind KBF I see no reason they would change it.  The SFoT situation is 
very different in that a large reason for the change in management 
companies (SF to Premier) was that the owners wanted to get rid of the 
Warner licensing and get back to history.  No such comments have been 
made regarding KBF.  And none of their coins depict licensed characters 
anyway, except for the one Camp Sboopy quarter.


		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 14:02:12 -0800

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Do we know when the machines will be removed?  Has Knott's closed yet
> for the winter?
> 
> - Jeff

er...Knott's doesn't close for the winter...the Southern California
weather supports year-round parks...I'm sure you were kidding...now that
I thought about this for awhile.

Alan   :-)



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 21 Oct 1997 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

> Many of us started
>  with souvenirs for our children, and when they would come to us
>  asking for a 'shiny penny' to use,

Yes, I asked a girl in a gift shop if I could have an ol' copper cent and she
said, "You're the first person to ever ask me for anything but a shinny new
one!  Why?"
Now, I've learned from Bert and others, to carry my own "BU's".  

I can see why it is a problem for some to state zinc or copper on their
lists.  It is 
important to some, but, can be covered by the means suggested.  This AM I
spoke
with a list member on the phone, he asked about my Splash Mountain ec.  I
told him first off that it was zinc.  End of trade.  I'm glad I didn't send
it to him or bargain a trade only to find out that the zinc wouldn't work.

Many have read my posts and received offers of trades from me, and I do
include any thing bad about the coin that I can see.  I'll also say it's nice
if it looks that way to me.  But then, my lists are generally *real* short so
I still have the luxury of such notes.  

-Bob Hoff @ 6:40 PM EST
(With my e-mail running about six hours late thanks to AOL.)



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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:42:14 -0800

Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
department in Carlsbad, California. I read an article about collecting
elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.
I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
designs from the San Diego region. (My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
that isn't anything new.) I am working my way around the area and would
appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County. My internet
link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
like to contact me directly my e mail address is
browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.

P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks? 

Bye for now

Bill



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Digital Camera's
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:10:06 -0700

On 10/21/97 12:12 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>	Speaking of scanning...has anyone used a digital camera to take 
>pictures of elongates?  It seems to me this would be a much faster/easier 
>way to get the images then flatbed scanning.

Greetings,

Many low end ($600) digital camera's have focal lengths that prevent good 
(macro) shots. The QuickTake 100, 150 and 200 are great for shooting the 
EC machines - but terrible for pennies (it just won't work). The AppleOne 
Scanner does a great job on coins... (Caveat: I am no longer an Apple 
employee but have lots of digital camera experience...).

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:12:46 -0700

On 10/21/97 3:40 PM Bob Hoff (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>Yes, I asked a girl in a gift shop if I could have an ol' copper cent and she
>said, "You're the first person to ever ask me for anything but a shinny new
>one!  Why?"
>Now, I've learned from Bert and others, to carry my own "BU's". 

Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy 
uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any 
uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:28:12 -0700

On 10/21/97 9:42 PM Bill Rowland (browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us ) wrote

>Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
>department in Carlsbad, California. 

Hi Bill and WELCOME to the list!

>I read an article about collecting
>elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.

The article was started by my sister. She works for Ch10 (KGTV) and 
pitched the story to them. They said it was not a TV story but would be 
good for the paper, so she called a friend at the SD Union Trib, and that 
is how it got started. It turns out John Wilkens (the Staff Writer that 
wrote the article) has a son and he collects smashed coins (elongates, 
rolled, etc)... I took John and his photography to Old Town to shoot the 
pictures...

>I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
>Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
>designs from the San Diego region. 

Yup, it starts with a trickle of coins coming in and becomes a river of 
copper!


>(My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
>that isn't anything new.) 

Mine too! But my 2 year old loves to help smash pennies!

>I am working my way around the area and would
>appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County. 

My Smashed Coin Locator web site is at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html 


And the San Diego page is at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/San_Diego.html 

I have not been able to update the pages for several weeks... So be sure 
to check out these recently discovered sites:

- 2 Hand Crank Machines at Horten Plaza (Downtown SD). One by the Longs 
Drug the other near the toy store...

- Mission Bay Visitor Center

- Julian (somewhere on main street)

- Viejas Casino

- The Star Of India

- Mission Bay roller coaster

- 4 machines in Old Town (Cafe Coyote...)

Those are the ones from memory that are not on the web site. I hope to 
have a new home (URL) for the web site soon and will update everything as 
soon as possible.

Up on Hwy 15 is a produce market/stand called Tom's and they have a 
machine...

>My internet
>link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
>will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
>like to contact me directly my e mail address is
>browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.

Feel free to contact me at creightoniii@home.com
>
>P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
>have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
>Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks? 

I'm checking now with Eurolink to see if they have anything there...
>
Again, welcome to the list and it is ALWAYS great to meet San Diego 
collectors (we're in Eastlake near Southwestern College)... Take Care,

Bert



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:21:45 -0400 (EDT)

Another potential, but minor, snag in the Aahz catalog could be the naming of
the sets.
Below, PGA is used for Paramount's Great America.
When this park was built, it was Marriott's Great America. (MGA) It was sold
temporarily to the City of Santa Clara where it was known as Great America.
(GA) Paramount then bought it thusly, Paramount's Great America.
What if Six Flags bought it, SFGA?
Is the catalog changed when the park name is changed?

Of course we could cross that bridge when we come to it.

Mickey
TEC 2115
Procrastinator's Society (no number yet)

In a message dated 10/21/97 11:54:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Trade List
>  1) CA-PGA-1 Vortex (Paramount)
>  
>  Web Site (What it would contain)
>     h. Concentric circles ending in coaster car logo, "Vortex/Great
>  America"
>     Border: Dotted
>          Installed: ??/??        Removed: CA
>          Roller: SFPMC           Engraver: ???
>     Notes: Installed before Paramount bought park
>     Status: Working on 10/10/97. 
>     Picture available at this URL: www.abc.CA-PGA-1.html
>  




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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:01:09 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 10/21/97 4:25:39 PM, you wrote:

<<Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both 
inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing 
to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it 
than any 1 person can handle.>>

I would be more than willing to help out with the scanning chores,
unfortunately, the vast majority of the coins I have are Disneys, so if that
helps, let me know.

Thanks,

Carl



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 07:04:27 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/21/97 2:01:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>  > 
>  > Do we know when the machines will be removed?  Has Knott's closed yet
>  > for the winter?
>  > 
>  > - Jeff

Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.
But closer to where we live, Great America and Marine World are both closed
for the winter so as not to make him too homesick.

Mickey
TEC 2115.



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:26:03 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

Good news and bad.  

At long last, I have been offered two sets of Disneyland Tokyo pressed
"cents".  I'm told there are nine different coins in each set and they are
offered at $50.00 per or $90.00 for both.  I'm supposed to meet the guy if
I'm interested.  I'm thinking they are
about $40.00 a set over priced.  I'd hope someone else could offer them for
less.

I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's (that
I'm missing in my set) for them.  I'm just not sure I'd put out so much for
TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-)  What would
you do? 

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:12:08 -0500

Thought some list members might be interested....

----------
> From: John and Jennifer Yast <JRYST@classic.msn.com>
> To: ... <...>
> Subject: RE: Thanks!
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 8:45 PM
> 
> I read it in the Homewood Flossmoor Star (a south suburban Chicago
paper), but 
> instead of a dateline, it just said Copley news Service.
> 
> ----------
> From: 	...
> Sent: 	Monday, October 20, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: 	John and Jennifer Yast
> Subject: 	Thanks!
> 
> Thanks for the information. By the way, where did you read the article?
I'm
> not familiar with it.
> 
> ----------
> > From: John and Jennifer Yast <JRYST@classic.msn.com>
> > To: ...
> > Subject: 
> > Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 9:01 PM
> > 
> > Just thought you might like to know about a NEW coin smasher in
Chicago. 
> The 
> > Chicago Cultural Center (southwest corner of Randolph St. & Michigan
> Ave.) 
> > installed one recently.  I'm not a collector, so I don't know what the
> results 
> > look like, but I figured I'd pass it on after reading about you in an
> article 
> > by Copley News Service.
> > 
> > J.R. Yast
> > jryst@msn.com
> 
> 



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:12:45 -0700

On 10/22/97 3:01 AM Carl (CWFIII@aol.com ) wrote

>I would be more than willing to help out with the scanning chores,
>unfortunately, the vast majority of the coins I have are Disneys, so if that
>helps, let me know.

It does help Carl! That would free me up to scan San Diego coins, and 
things I am getting in trades!

Bert



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Possible Hawaii location, Pearl Harbor
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT)

     If someone's going to be on Oahu, There's a possibility that the Arizona
Memorial at Pearl Harbor has an EC machine.
     I just picked-up an elongate at coin shop that has the USS Arizona
memorial pictured. It has text "1152 entombed" and Dec. 7, 1941 on opposite
sides. 
     It looks like it was left outside because it has a pitting corrosion
over the surface. It is definitely on a 1978 copper.

Mickey
TEC 2115



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:13:17 -0400 (EDT)

Bob, 
Since you asked, I'd wait.
More than five bucks is way too much per coin for a currently available,
though admittedly difficult to obtain, set.
    As I've seen on eBay, if something gets too expensive, stop bidding. An
identical item will come along again soon enough.
     Your dilema is if you buy it and another comes along cheaper, you'll
kick yourself. If you don't buy it and the machines disappear, you'll kick
yourself.

     The problem that we'll have here is that is someone offers to get a few
at TDL, they'll be swamped with requests as was the situation with Six Flags.
Who wants to spend their valuable TDL time pressing pennies? Our best hope is
to connect with someone who lives there or travels there frequently.
Still, I'd go with the wait and watch.

Mickey
TEC 2115


In a message dated 10/22/97 5:28:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> At long last, I have been offered two sets of Disneyland Tokyo pressed
>  "cents".  I'm told there are nine different coins in each set and they are
>  offered at $50.00 per or $90.00 for both.  I'm supposed to meet the guy if
>  I'm interested.  I'm thinking they are
>  about $40.00 a set over priced.  I'd hope someone else could offer them
for
>  less.
>  
>  I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's (
> that
>  I'm missing in my set) for them.  I'm just not sure I'd put out so much
for
>  TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-)  What 
> would
>  you do? 




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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Possible Hawaii location, Pearl Harbor
Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:32:32 -0700

On 10/22/97 10:03 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>     If someone's going to be on Oahu, There's a possibility that the Arizona
>Memorial at Pearl Harbor has an EC machine.
>     I just picked-up an elongate at coin shop that has the USS Arizona
>memorial pictured. It has text "1152 entombed" and Dec. 7, 1941 on opposite
>sides. 
>     It looks like it was left outside because it has a pitting corrosion
>over the surface. It is definitely on a 1978 copper.
>
>Mickey
>TEC 2115

Hi All,

There is no machine at the Museum or on the memorial itself. I was there 
4 weeks ago, and I talked to everyone there... There IS a Frank Brazzell 
machine in Waikiki with 4 designs, 1 of which is an Arizona Memorial. I 
have a picture of this machine on my Hawaii web site at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Hawaii.html

There's a typo in my text, Mickey is right, it is "1152 entombed." A bit 
of history, I was a Boy Scout in 1968 and was part of the memorial 
service which we performed with a Navy Chaplain -- 7am on the memorial, 7 
Dec 68. It was a very moving experience, even as a kid.

There are 2 Arizona Memorial pennies... Once I get my web site re-hosted 
I will scan pictures of them both and get them on the new web site... 

That's it for now!

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:36:27 -0700

On 10/22/97 10:13 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>Bob, 
>Since you asked, I'd wait.
>More than five bucks is way too much per coin for a currently available,
>though admittedly difficult to obtain, set.
>    As I've seen on eBay, if something gets too expensive, stop bidding. An
>identical item will come along again soon enough.
>     Your dilema is if you buy it and another comes along cheaper, you'll
>kick yourself. If you don't buy it and the machines disappear, you'll kick
>yourself.
>
>     The problem that we'll have here is that is someone offers to get a few
>at TDL, they'll be swamped with requests as was the situation with Six Flags.
>Who wants to spend their valuable TDL time pressing pennies? Our best hope is
>to connect with someone who lives there or travels there frequently.
>Still, I'd go with the wait and watch.
>
>Mickey
>TEC 2115

All,

Let me see my friend today and see what she says. She was going to try 
and get a friend in Japan to collect some sets for us. I told her we 
would need 15 sets... Deidra and I will be taking Alex to playgroup at 
noon, so hold on and let me see if there's any word...

Chris is offline (as far as I know) and so I will be sure to include a 
set for him... On that topic, lets all go work together to be sure he 
gets a set from SFoT...

Bert



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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 10/22/97 11:06:03 AM, you wrote:

<<Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.>>

Oh yeah? Well I'm in Phoenix and all we have is hotter than hell and pretty
dang warm. 8^)

Carl



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:24:20 -0500

> 
> Oh yeah? Well I'm in Phoenix and all we have is hotter than hell and pretty
> dang warm. 8^)
> 
> Carl

Well I am in Minnesota and all we have is real cold and frozen (about 2 
degrees difference between the two).  Tundra, got to love it!

Flats



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bill Rowland wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
> department in Carlsbad, California. I

	Welcome to the list, Bill!  I went to high school at the Army and 
Navy Academy right there in Carlsbad.  In fact, if you were in the 
department prior to 1987 then we just may have met 8-)

> link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
> will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would

	Unfortunately, the digest version of the list is currently being 
done manually since XMission (the list ISP) has been ignoring my requests 
for digesting.  What this also means is that the digests are not being 
done until I get a regular net connection again (I'm logging on from the 
library right now).  So if you can hang on thru the regular list for a 
few weeks that would be great.  If not, I will add you to the digest list 
when I am able to begin doing it again.	

> P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
> have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
> Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks? 

	This is GREAT news!  I always wanted to go to a LEGO Land!  I'd 
be very surprised if either current park has machines as they are still 
pretty rare overseas.  I don't KNOW, I just doubt it.  Definetly worth 
asking people from those areas about it though!

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy 
> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any 
> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
> 
	Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels 
cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-)  Or ask 'em if they think 
a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot  ;)

	Peace,

		Aahz
(who loves to tweak the "oh so serious" numismatists)




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 12:05:41 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> Below, PGA is used for Paramount's Great America.
> What if Six Flags bought it, SFGA?

	Actually, SFGA already exists, but I think it's in Illinois (I 
know it's back east somewhere

> Is the catalog changed when the park name is changed? 

	No, the whole point of the catalog is that it is NEVER changed.  
If,for example, Sic Flags were to buy Paramount's Great America, then 
they would also change their coins to reflect the new name.  Thus the new 
coins would be in a new topic listing (CA-SFGA).  The old coins would 
still be listed as CA-PGA.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Let me see my friend today and see what she says. She was going to try 
> and get a friend in Japan to collect some sets for us. I told her we 
> would need 15 sets... Deidra and I will be taking Alex to playgroup at 
> noon, so hold on and let me see if there's any word...

	Wow, if they were to come thru with 15 sets that'd be one heck of 
a friendship.  Aside from the time, the cash outlay on 15 sets of 9 coins 
is 13,500 yen or $98.00 plus postage.  But hey, who am I to question 
anothers friendship :)

	I've got four Tokyo locals planningtrips in November who have 
promised to look for me and one US citizen who's over there on vvacation 
right now.  The point?  These sets WILL arrive thru someone and at far 
less then $50 a pop.  

> Chris is offline (as far as I know) and so I will be sure to include a 
> set for him... On that topic, lets all go work together to be sure he 
> gets a set from SFoT...

	Thanx guys.  I'm on ittermitent at the moment as I have to use 
public terminals, but I will try to log on whenevber possible.  And if 
someone manages to set aside either set for me and then I manage to get 
'em on my own as well, you can be sure the spare set will be made 
available to the community (I'm not on to hoard duplicates :)

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:31:38 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/22/97 12:09:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> 	No, the whole point of the catalog is that it is NEVER changed.  
>  If,for example, Sic Flags were to buy Paramount's Great America, then 
>  they would also change their coins to reflect the new name.  Thus the new 
>  coins would be in a new topic listing (CA-SFGA).  The old coins would 
>  still be listed as CA-PGA.
>  

Duh, I should have known that!
I really need to get more sleep!
10/22 and you're still on-line? Awright! Hang in there!





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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:37:32 -0400 (EDT)

Welcome Bill,
     Your next logical step would be to load up on ECs (elongated coins) from
your area because I and probably others around the country need SD coins for
our collections. I'd love to trade some of my San Francisco area coins for
whatever you can get down there! Trading builds up your collection very
quickly with coins that you might not ever be able to get on your own such as
Niagra Falls (thanks Jeff).


In a message dated 10/22/97 9:57:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
>  department in Carlsbad, California. I read an article about collecting
>  elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.
>  I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
>  Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
>  designs from the San Diego region. (My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
>  that isn't anything new.) I am working my way around the area and would
>  appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County. My internet
>  link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
>  will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
>  like to contact me directly my e mail address is
>  browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.
>  




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Fwd: Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:15:16 EDT, aahz@svpal.org writes:

  
>  On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>  
>  > I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's
(
> that
>  > I'm missing in my set) for them.  I'm just not sure I'd put out so much 
> for
>  > TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-)  What 
> would
>  > you do? 
>  
>  	DON"T BUY THEM!!!!  Not only is that incredible price gouging, 
>  but if he manages to sell a et at those prices then he will tell others 
>  what he's getting and all the prices will go up.  It's a SERIOUS waste of 
>  money and hurts the entire EC community in the process.  Tell him he's 
>  nuts.  $20 on the high side.
>  
>  	And, yes, I desperately want these coins as well, but there are 
>  cheaper ways of getting them.  Hell if I could sell 'em for $50 a set to 
>  everyone on the list that wants 'em I could afford to fly to Tokyo and 
>  pick 'em up!
>  
>  		Peace,
>  
>  			Aahz
>  
>  
>  ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------


---------------------
Forwarded message:


On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's
(that
> I'm missing in my set) for them.  I'm just not sure I'd put out so much for
> TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-)  What
would
> you do? 

	DON"T BUY THEM!!!!  Not only is that incredible price gouging, 
but if he manages to sell a et at those prices then he will tell others 
what he's getting and all the prices will go up.  It's a SERIOUS waste of 
money and hurts the entire EC community in the process.  Tell him he's 
nuts.  $20 on the high side.

	And, yes, I desperately want these coins as well, but there are 
cheaper ways of getting them.  Hell if I could sell 'em for $50 a set to 
everyone on the list that wants 'em I could afford to fly to Tokyo and 
pick 'em up!

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 16:02:29 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:39:40 EDT, you write:

> Welcome Bill,
>       Your next logical step would be to load up on ECs (elongated coins) 
> from
>  your area because I and probably others around the country need SD coins
for
>  our collections. I'd love to trade some of my San Francisco area coins for
>  whatever you can get down there! Trading builds up your collection very
>  quickly with coins that you might not ever be able to get on your own such

> as
>  Niagra Falls (thanks Jeff).
>  

Ditto!

I have lots of Disneyland ec's to trade for SD also!

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:59:00 -0700

On 10/22/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy 
>> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any 
>> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
>> 
>	Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels 
>cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-)  Or ask 'em if they think 
>a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot  ;)

I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and 
asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just 
bought from them!   8-)

My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(


bc



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 21:08:20 -0400

ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/21/97 2:01:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
> 
> > Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Do we know when the machines will be removed?  Has Knott's closed yet
> >  > for the winter?
> >  >
> >  > - Jeff
> 
> Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
> He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
> seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
> It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.
> But closer to where we live, Great America and Marine World are both closed
> for the winter so as not to make him too homesick.
> 
> Mickey
> TEC 2115.

New England only has two seasons: Winter and bad sledding.

Ben.



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 21:18:08 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
> 
> On 10/22/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
> 
> >> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy
> >> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any
> >> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
> >>
> >       Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels
> >cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-)  Or ask 'em if they think
> >a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot  ;)
> 
> I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and
> asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just
> bought from them!   8-)
> 
> My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(
> 
> bc

Gee, my coin shop watches for steelies and BU's for me to squish.  They 
cull out the more valuable pennies and sell me the rest.

Ben



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From: "Fernando Uyaguari" <fuyaguari@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 23 Oct 1997 07:14:53 PDT



Hello friends!

I am a banknote collector from Ecuador.  I have ecuadorian banknotes 
(5,10,20,100(2 diff) and 500 sucres) to swap with you.


Regards!
Fernando

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:47:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:50:58 EDT, you write:

> I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and 
>  asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just 
>  bought from them!   8-)
>  
>  My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(

Bert;

Sand Blaster?!  A true Numismatist would use a glass beader! :-)

-Bob




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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:56:42 -0800

Hi Chris
Yes, I was here when you were at the ANA. I joined the department in
July of 1985 so we may have met somewhere along the line.

No problem with waiting for the Digest version of the list. I enjoy
reading the cross talk. I just don't have time to review it all on a
daily basis. I'm afraid that my Captain would object if I spent more
time reading about smashed coins than I did recruiting and hiring police
officers. When LEGO gets closer to completion I'll see if I can dig up
some info on the park and send it to you.

Take care

Bill



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 09:51:17 -0700

On 10/23/97 11:56 AM Bill Rowland (browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us ) wrote

>I'm afraid that my Captain would object if I spent more
>time reading about smashed coins

Guess we have to get your Capt. collecting smashed coins to!  8-)

bc



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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 12:11:02 -0800

He told me that he had a few from his travels that he would give me. He
paints military figurines and builds models. He has more time on his
hands than I do.



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hi!  Re: Trades
Date: 23 Oct 1997 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT)


Hi Nancy!

Hey, just opened the package.  Great ec's!  Thanks!

By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
didn't you like him?  It's a Masonic you know; I thougt
you'd want him. 

-Bob



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Arizona Locations
Date: 23 Oct 1997 11:05:36 -0700

Arizons Locations:

Does anyone know of a machine/s in Oatman, Arizona (old mining town?)?

I also have a report of a machine on Old Route 66... Has anyone seen this 
machine?

Thanks for any and all Location Reports!

Bert



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 20:38:41 -0400

Bill Rowland wrote:
> 
> He told me that he had a few from his travels that he would give me. He
> paints military figurines and builds models. He has more time on his
> hands than I do.

Izit true that Captains have forgotten where they came from and 
everything they learned along the way?

Ben



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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Arizona Locations
Date: 23 Oct 1997 19:48:05 -0000


Bert writes:> 
> Arizons Locations:
> 
> Does anyone know of a machine/s in Oatman, Arizona (old mining town?)?

Hi Bert,
My aunt was just in Oatman last week and since I have my family members
keep an eye out for machines-she looked for an Oatman machine.  She had
heard there was one there, but could not find it.  She said she went in
every store, searched high and low and finally asked a store clerk who said
it had been removed.  My aunt also tells all the store employees she talks
to that they need a machine.  "Your really missing out", she says.
> 
> I also have a report of a machine on Old Route 66... Has anyone seen this

> machine?
> 
I have a Route 66 elongated coin and I not exactly sure of the location,
but it is in a convenient store (or at least it was).  This store is a few
exits past (East of) the Meteor Crater exit.  It is the first store/gas
station you come upon.

I know it's not exact, but who knew somebody would be wanting this info
some day?

Gina



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From: "Douglas J. Brennecke" <102421.3206@compuserve.com>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 01:07:55 -0400

Greetings to all.  Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group.  My name
is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert
Creighton.  I have been reading the messages for about the last week and I
have been learning a lot!  I live in Encinitas, CA, just a few miles south
of Bill.  I have been a casual collector for a number of years, picking up
inexpensive souvenirs for my children when we would go to amusement parks
and tourist areas.  

I would be happy to develop some local coins for trade with others, but I
would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
most efficiently.  If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
them, please let me know.  My collecting efforts for my children were
limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
please share it with me.  For example, what's a "roller"?  Is it a person,
or a type of machine?  Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

As I learn more, and have some information to share, I'll try to contribute
to the collective knowledge of the group with machine sites, descriptions,
etc.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

Doug



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) The Penny Page
Date: 23 Oct 1997 21:36:43 -0500

It is to my regret to inform you that The Penny Page may not be available
in the next few weeks. I can only access it about 50% of the time. The
company that is hosting my web site is having major problems with their
server and we are in the process of moving our domain to another
provider/server. (I just have no luck with virtual domain hosts.)

This problem should not effect my email (this time).

Please note: The web site address will remain the same since we own the
domain name:
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

Thank you for your patience
...
...



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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:07:20 -0800

I think that the memory just becomes more selective. 
Bill



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi!  Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 08:58:54 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Nancy!
>
> Hey, just opened the package.  Great ec's!  Thanks!
>
> By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
> didn't you like him?  It's a Masonic you know; I thougt
> you'd want him.
>
> -Bob

Glad you liked them!  I enjoyed getting them.  As for the 'little
guy', we loved him, but there were just too many others that John
wanted (I did manage to get in a couple for me), and so he just lost
out in the draw.  Thanks for offering him, and perhaps we can get
him in a future trade.

Nancy





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT)


To all;

My apology for sending the preceding private e-mail to the list in error. %-(

-Bob' evil twin.



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:18:24 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> To all;
>
> My apology for sending the preceding private e-mail to the list in
> error. %-(
>
> -Bob' evil twin.


Looks like I have an evil twin too!!!  My apology to all also.  I'm
going to have to start paying more attention to the address line.

Nancy




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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT)

I'm taking a road trip up to N. Lake Tahoe, Reno, Carson City and Virginia
City next month. Does anyone know of any ECs along that route? I've already
gleaned info from The Penny Page and Bert's page, but there isn't much info
on that area...yet.

Thanks 
Mickey



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:26:28 -0700 (PDT)

Kathy,

	Was this article the San Diego Union article or a 'new' EC 
article?  If new, do you know if/where the text is available online?

		Peace,

			Aahz
(logging in from the Palmdale Public Library :)






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,

	Okay, I know this was supposed to be private, and I've seen the 
apologies, but since the info's out here...

	What is this 1/10 ec?!?

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Douglas J. Brennecke wrote:

> Greetings to all.  Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group.  My name
> is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert

	Welcome to the list, Doug!

> would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
> most efficiently.  If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
> be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
> them, please let me know.  My collecting efforts for my children were
> limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

	Well, there aren't really any 'rules', but I suppose you could 
say there are some 'preferred practices ;)

	In 1982 the mint changed the metal content in pennies from 
primarily copper to copper coated zinc.  When you elongate one of these 
coins you will often see silver traces in it.  This is the zinc showing 
through.  Most people find this very unnatractive.

	So, 1982 and later pennies are referred to as 'zincs' or 
'zincies' and are generally seen as bad.

	1981 and earlier pennies are reffered to as coppers (no relation 
to Ben or Bill ;) and are generally good.

	As for finding coppers, I find many in pocket change, but a more 
realiable source is your local coin shop.  you can usually get rolls of 
coppers from them for around $1.  Go in and talk to them, I'm sure 
they'll work out something for you.  I always keep my eyes open for bulk 
purchases of wheaties (wheat back pennies) as well at auctions, shows and 
shops).  Remember that you don't want to spend more then 2 or 3 cnts per 
copper or wheatie, though.

> If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
> please share it with me.  For example, what's a "roller"?  Is it a person,
> or a type of machine?  Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

	One of my current projects is to work up a glossary of sorts.  
The term roller typically refers to a person who rolls coins on a rolling 
machine.  Of course, this is not EXACT, but it is preferred.  Similar is 
that when I say 'typewriter' most people think of the machine whereas 
originally that term referred to the person who operated a typewritig 
machine.  (I hope that all makes sense).

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> I'm taking a road trip up to N. Lake Tahoe, Reno, Carson City and Virginia
> City next month. Does anyone know of any ECs along that route? I've already
> gleaned info from The Penny Page and Bert's page, but there isn't much info
> on that area...yet.

	Never made it up there, but be sure to check out the casinos!  
Many Vegas casinos have machines, so I would expct their Renoe/Tahoe 
counterparts to have them as well!

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:49:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	Work has begun on the WDW catalogging.  Since I'm currently 
working on it by streetlight at night it's going slow, but is 
proceeding.  I already have sevral questions.  So...

	1) There are multiple reports of the Pumbaa & imon eating worms 
coin that have their names and several reports without their names.  Do 
both types exist?

	2) Same situation for the entire MGM Studios Aladdin set 
(Aladdin, Genie, Jasmine)

	3) There are conflicting reports on Kenny's lists of a coin 
design on the Hunchback MGM set.  Early reports include the third die 
containing a group shot of Quasi, Esmeralda and Phoebus.  Later reports 
have the third die being the Gargoyles.  Anyone have a sample of the 
first one?

	4) There is a coin in the pirates Bazaar that depicts "captian 
bones pirate" over the words Magic Kingdom.  Does anyone know if this 
pirate has a name?

	That's it for now, though more questions will be coming later.

		Peace,

			Aahz






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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:35:28 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Kathy,
>
>         Was this article the San Diego Union article or a 'new' EC
>
> article?  If new, do you know if/where the text is available
> online?
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
> (logging in from the Palmdale Public Library :)


Hey, Chris,

You're only about an hour from us!!!  If  I'd known you were in the
area,  I could have at least offered you dinner and some
electricity.  I'm afraid my spare bedroom is occupied, since our
daughter moved back in, but we could have done something.  If you
are still in the area, give us a call.  (805) 822-0402

Nancy




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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:05:17 -0400

Bill Rowland wrote:
> 
> I think that the memory just becomes more selective.
> Bill

Ah! So that's it.  I though it was a mandatory lobotomy.

Ben



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Glossary words
Date: 24 Oct 1997 16:38:24 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

	The question of a glossary of sorts has come up and I mentioned 
that I am working on one.  What I need to know from all of you is what 
words do you think should be in it?  I've been using this terminology for 
sometime so am having difficulty coming up with what terms may be 
confusing to newcomers.  Please respond OFF-LIST with what words you had 
(or still have) difficulty with or what terms you think should be included.

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Update
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:53:54 -0700

Greetings All,

Since I am unable to get updates on my web site, I am going to post 
Location Updates as I get them. Hope to have a new web site set up soon...

bc
-----

Solvang machines: One located in Friedreichs Square ( Not sure if that is
exactly correct name), near the store that sells Soooouthwest items,
however when we were there the machine was broken, on the way to being
repaired. But the saleswoman had one penny left that the machine guy gave
her for desperate penny people.  The other machine was by Santa Barbara
Ceramics.

Both machines were working at the Madonna Inn.

Morro Bay has machine.

Thanks for this site, it guided us to the spots along our way.
~JBL



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Lake Tahoe Location
Date: 24 Oct 1997 20:47:15 -0700

OK, you asked for it, so here it is...

Friends in Del Mar (north of San Diego) just found a machine at the 
Ponderosa Ranch (North Lake Tahoe).

The Ranch was where the TV show was produced, and now it is a Western 
Theme Park...

The URL for is http://www.ponderosaranch.com/

I'm sure lots of list/ners would love to trade for these...

Bert



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Update
Date: 24 Oct 1997 22:09:13 -0500

Here's the current list of those wanting a Six Flags Over Texas set:
1.  Gina	
2.  Bob Perry (2)	
3.  Davelle
4.  Mickey
5.  Janelle Henry
6.  John & Nancy Wooten
7.  Carl
8.  Bob Huff
9.  Chris Aahz
10. Bert Creighton
11. Al
12. Trey
13. Jim Thorpe
14. Sandy
15. Jeff Dixon
I apologize if I have forgotten anyone. Please e-mail me privately if you
want to be added to the list (or if I have forgotten you).

I am not sure how many coins are available. I am still trying to find out,
but I do know that most are Warner Bros. (Looney Tunes) designs and are
from Eurolink machines.

I will be contacting everyone privately this weekend to make arrangements.

...
...



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:12:13 -0700

On 10/23/97 10:07 PM Douglas J. Brennecke (102421.3206@compuserve.com ) 
wrote

>Greetings to all.  Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group.  My name
>is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert
>Creighton.  

Hi Doug, it is great to meet you online and have you join the mailing 
list. I know you will learn a lot from everyone on the list, and have 
some fun... This is a GREAT group of people here. We had a Disneyland 
meeting in Sept and got to meet some of the West Coast (left coast) 
list members -- what a nice group of people!!!

>I have been reading the messages for about the last week and I
>have been learning a lot!  I live in Encinitas, CA, just a few miles south
>of Bill.  I have been a casual collector for a number of years, picking up
>inexpensive souvenirs for my children when we would go to amusement parks
>and tourist areas.  

I live in the Eastlake area... We San Diego county folks should get 
together sometime... (Hmmm, this is how the Disneyland meeting started, 
me saying lets get together). We (the entire list) should see if we can 
plan some holiday meetings around the country...
>
>I would be happy to develop some local coins for trade with others, but I
>would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
>most efficiently.  If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
>be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
>them, please let me know.  My collecting efforts for my children were
>limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

I think Chris covered the main topic hear, not using 1982 or later Zinc 
pennies... Early on (using ...'s Bulletin Board on her web site) 
we had a discussion about the proper name for these coins... Pete (who 
runs the Squished Penny Musuem in DC) said it best... The fun of this 
hobby is that there are no rules... Unlike regular coin collecting (or 
other hobbies) we all do this for the fun of it! We try to keep it 
simple, and we try to keep inflated pricing out of our hobby. Yes, some 
of us have paid some real (lots of) money for a few of our coins, but we 
all are learning to work together to get the coins we want and NOT spend 
lots of money doing it... Ask (via email to the list) any questions you 
may have about the "value" of coins, ie. what is reasonable to spend on 
them...

Trading is a great way to get coins... Get some San Diego or Southern CA 
coins (using pre-82's) and then post a description of them to the list 
and ask for anyone interested in trading to email you directly... I have 
gotten some amazing coins thru trades... You'll soon learn where we all 
live (all over the US and a few members outside the US)... and you can 
start to set up trades for coins from many locations... 

There are some discussions we have had on the list which you can see by 
reading the archives of this list. Or, you can ask the questions here, 
and we can resend the info. Some of the info has been archived at Kathy 
...'s FAQ site (see my web page for her URL) tho Kathy is having a 
little trouble with her ISP these days (same with me...). Previous 
threads have included polishing coins, displaying coins in 2x2 elongated 
coin holders, etc.
>
>If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
>please share it with me.  For example, what's a "roller"?  Is it a person,
>or a type of machine?  Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

Yes, the new members are fun! We will no doubt learn new locations from, 
as you boldly go where no list member (list/ner) has gone before!
>
>As I learn more, and have some information to share, I'll try to contribute
>to the collective knowledge of the group with machine sites, descriptions,
>etc.
>
>Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.
Don't hesitate to ask questions, or even through out ideas... If you know 
anyone in Tokyo, we all are looking for a way to get some Disneyland 
Tokyo coins soon... We are also looking for Euro-EC's, EC's from Mexico 
and New Zealand and many other locations...
>
Sooo, again, welcome, and jump right...! And be sure to join TEC... You 
get 4 newsletters (which come with EC's attached) and some great 
articles, as well as the info on where to buy bags of coins and the 2x2 
holders...

Talk to you soon!

Bert
Location Keeper
TEC #2095



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Join TEC
Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:26:39 -0700

Greetings All,

As many of you know, Howard Sharkey was out TEC (The Elongated 
Collectors) Secretary. Howard how a battle with cancer and pass away in 
September.

The new TEC Secretary is:

Adele Vogel
TEC Secretary
3415 Fiebrantz Drive
Brookfield, WI 53005-3301

The TEC Sec. is a volunteer position, no pay or rewards are given to 
Adele. She is doing her very best right now, picking up the work. She did 
not get any computer files from Howard's family, so she is manually 
building the entire TEC list from paper files. 

If you sent in your $10 recently, you may have a little wait for your 
first newsletter issue... Please hang in there, Adele is working as 
quickly as possible on this... 

If you are about to join TEC, please print the application out (URL is 
below) and mail it to Adele at her WI address, do not send it to Howard's 
family... They have received many applications, and they have to turn 
around and send them to Adele... Please print clearly and put your phone 
number on the application -- this is only so Adele can talk to you about 
any spellings, etc -- your number will NOT be published.

I highly recommend joining TEC! You will get the newsletters that are 
full of great info! Many EC collectors are not on the internet and so the 
best way to learn from them is to read the articles they write for the 
TEC Newsletter. Ray Dillard is one of the most active "rollers" (meaning 
he rolls ECs at events all over the country) and he's very active in TEC. 
Ray can sell you the card board 2x2's (2 inch by 2 inch) holders with the 
elongated shape cut out in the middle. These fit inside clear plastic 
sheets which you can get at coin shops (I use 35MM sheets from Fry's 
Electronics in San Diego) and then put the sheets into binders...

If you have any questions about TEC, just ask a member, we'll be happy to 
tell you more! Oh, dues are only $10 per year, due in January, but go 
ahead and send Adele your applications now... That way you will have your 
name on the list as the next newsletter comes out...

Bert 
TEC #2095
URL For TEC Application: 
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/tec_sub.html
(And remember to send it to Adele at her address above! Thanks!!!)



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 25 Oct 1997 10:52:36 -0400

Hi All...

I've been really busy lately and haven't paid proper attention to the 
list.

I know I owe Flats some coins.  Anyone else?

Gina, are you still interested in Miami Seaquarium errors?

Anyone know of any new Northeast locations?

Anyone recruiting cops?  (A little off-topic I admit...)

Take care all...

Ben



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) elongates trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow collectors--
I am interested in collecting elongated pennies from the various Movieland
 Wax Museums across the country---I can trade Anaheim Movieland Wax Museum
for other locations.If anyone is interested please contact me.
Thank you            Al    



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Ripley's believe it or not (elongate trades)
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT)

I am interested in collecting Ripley's believe it or not elongates from
various locations across the coutry----I can trade Ripley's Buena Park,
Calif. for other locations --please contact me if you are interested.  Thank
  You      Al



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Aahz!

I have a "mostly complete" set of WDW from about a year ago.  It's in a mess
and locked up off-site.  However, I will be able to get to it in the next few
days.  Please e-mail me with the remaining questions next week when I've
unburried them.  With my ec's in hand, I'll do my best to relate the details

Happy Collecting.

-Bob



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Cancell my request for Ripley and Wax Museum trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:15:54 -0400 (EDT)

After I reviewed my collection I changed my interest in trading these
elongates ----they all look too much alike to be of interest to me for
collecting.
Sorry Folks       Al



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:17:35 -0400


On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
>	Work has begun on the WDW catalogging.  Since I'm currently 
>working on it by streetlight at night it's going slow, but is 
>proceeding.  I already have sevral questions.  So...
>
>	1) There are multiple reports of the Pumbaa & imon eating 
>worms coin that have their names and several reports without their
names.  
>Do both types exist?


The Magic Kingdom penny does *not* have the names of Pumbaa and Timon on
it, the Studios penny *does*, and the resort penny also has the names on
it.

Three pennies:
MK without names (and with MK banner at bottom)
ST with names (with ST logo at bottom)
Resort with names (and no other markings)


>
>	2) Same situation for the entire MGM Studios Aladdin set 
>(Aladdin, Genie, Jasmine)

Nope....the ST pennies have the names on them.....the initial lists when
they first appeared...I didn't have all the details, other than that they
were there. From looking at my paper copies of the electronic lists I
sent you, I can tell, that because I didn't have such things as the V/H
facing of the penny, that I didn't have all the details.

>	3) There are conflicting reports on Kenny's lists of a coin 
>design on the Hunchback MGM set.  Early reports include the third die 
>containing a group shot of Quasi, Esmeralda and Phoebus.  Later 
>reports  have the third die being the Gargoyles.  Anyone have a sample
of the 
>first one?

I don't. :(

>
>	4) There is a coin in the pirates Bazaar that depicts "captian 
>bones pirate" over the words Magic Kingdom.  Does anyone know if this 
>pirate has a name?

Walt Disney World just calls it Pirate Skeleton

>
>	That's it for now, though more questions will be coming later.
>
>		Peace,
>
>			Aahz


Kenny Cottrell



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:31:27 -0700

On 10/25/97 7:52 AM BLMC (mcsquare@erols.com ) wrote

>Gina, are you still interested in Miami Seaquarium errors?
>
>Anyone know of any new Northeast locations?
>
>Anyone recruiting cops?  (A little off-topic I admit...)
>
>Take care all...
>
>Ben

Ben,

Do you have any descriptions of the Miami coins I could add to the 
Smashed Coin Locator? Locations would also be very appreciated!

How far away from the Northeast are you interested in moving? I will look 
around in Southern CA if you want to move out here... 

Bill, are you recruiting right now for North County? 

Bert



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From: Cwsmith217@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hello to new friends.
Date: 25 Oct 1997 17:29:36 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings,=20

	I was just blown away when I ran across ...=92s Penny Page.  I =
had no
ideal there were so many other crazy penny smashers out there.  I=92ve be=
en on
the mailing list about a week now and I=92m so excited to check my mail n=
ow
days.

	Want you all to know that I=92m new to the ec Web community, however, I=92=
m not
new to the ec business.  I=92ve been rolling and collecting ec=92s since =
1979.  I
saw my first hand crank machine at a ski resort in Gatlinbrug, TN and bou=
ght
one on the spot.  I knew I could make some money with it in the number on=
e
 tourist capital of the world, Orlando, FL.  I was disappointed I wasn=92=
t able
to get into any of the large tourist attractions, so =93cranked pennies=94=
 at the
local fairs and fea markets for a couple of years.

	To make a long story short, I designed a coin-op machine in 1986 and I g=
ot
it into Church Street Station.  I still have my hand cranker plus three
coin-op=92s and five more in the works.  You might also like to know I ha=
ve
over 350 ec=92s in my collection, many of them from the late great engrav=
er
Frank Brazzell.  I=92d be glad to do some trading.

Keep up the good work and let me know if I can be of any help.

Cliff

P.S.  I have a Web Page in the works, I=92ll let you know where soon!




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: (elongates) Off Subject - Time Change
Date: 25 Oct 1997 15:19:37 -0700

Hi, All,

Just thought a reminder might be in order for all to remember to set
their clocks back tonight after they log off and get ready to put
the computer (as well as themselves) to bed.  Wouldn't want you to
miss that extra hour of sleep!!!

Nancy




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Update
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, ... wrote:

> I am not sure how many coins are available. I am still trying to find out,
> but I do know that most are Warner Bros. (Looney Tunes) designs and are
> from Eurolink machines.

	I just received a response from the VP of merchandising at Sif 
Flags Texas, and he confirmed that all of their machines are Eurolink and 
that the majority (if not all) would be removed should the changeover 
happen.  For those of you wondering about the 'should', there's a lawsuit 
going on, but its odds of success are extremely slim.  99.5% chance he 
change will happen.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) Resort Pennies Help!
Date: 25 Oct 1997 17:31:40 -0600 (MDT)


	I am working on a complete catalog of elongated coins (pressed
pennies) issued at WDW and need a little help from all you dedicated
visitors...

	If you have stayed at any of the resorts in the last three years
and collected any pressed pennies from the resorts, could you possibly
send a brief description of the coin, the resort you found it at and the
month/year of your visit.

	I am aware of (and have copies of) Kenny Cottrell's lists at
WDWIG, I'm looking to fill in a few small gaps and track down the dates a
little better.

	Responses via e-mail <vmphntr@xmission.com> or <aahz@svpal.org>
would be greatly appreciated!

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT)


	Okay, gang here's a list of the EPCOT coins I know of so far.  
Does anyonehave any in their collections that vary from these 
descriptions?  Or any coins that say Epcot, or you personally collected at 
Epcot, that are not listed?

v. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot" (2 minor variations)
h. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot"
v. FL Figment, "Epcot"
v. HS Figment, "Figment/Epcot"
v. FL Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
v. FL Mickey w/ passport "Epcot"
h. FL Minnie w/ flag "Epcot"
v. FL Minnie w/ balloon "Epcot"
v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World Showcase/Epcot"
	(anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?)
h. FL Baseball Mickey, "USA/Epcot"
v. FL Statue of Liberty Minnie "Epcot"
h. FL Running Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
v. ?? Uncle Sam Mickey "Epcot"
h. ?? Mickey w/ flag "Epcot"

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT)


	First, thanx to those of you have provided some answers to the 
previous questions!  If anyone else has further or different info on 
those, please let me know...

	For those waiting patiently for this catalog to near fruition all 
I can say is 'don't hold your breath'.  To give some idea of the scop 
involved in this effort: DL has had just over 100 coins issued.  The WDW 
Resorts (not counting ANY park issues) have nearly 100 issues that I know 
of already.  So, on with more questions...

	I got one report of a quad machine in 'Typhoon Lagoon'.  No 
descriptions give, but all four designs reportedly had the words 'Typhoon 
Lagoon' on them.  Anyone have these?

	I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach, 
but I can't find my record of it.  Can someone provide a description?

	Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the 
pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own?

	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke 
or Gomer?

	Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of 
"Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic 
dome.  Are these the same thing?

	That's it for today as the library's closing.  Hopefully, I'll be 
able to check in agaion on Monday!

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> 	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke 
>  or Gomer?
>  

Thought it was AL.

-Bob



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> 	Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the 
>  pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own?
>  
IMHO, separate parts of WDW, i.e. "Attractions", that stand on their own,
require separate tickets etc.

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:14:57 EDT, you write:

> > By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
>  
>  	Okay, I know this was supposed to be private, and I've seen the 
>  apologies, but since the info's out here...
>  
>  	What is this 1/10 ec?!?
>  

A Masonic symbol on a "Lincoln cent" about 1/4" by 3/8". Looks real, just
super small.  Smallest ec I've ever seen.  I tried to trade it off as a full
size,
*BUT* I fully discribed it in my trade list. :-)

-Bob



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:43:15 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> 
>  	Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of 
>  "Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic 
>  dome.  Are these the same thing?
>  
Think it's the same "golf ball" :-)

-Bob



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:40:41 -0400


On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
>	First, thanx to those of you have provided some answers to the 
>previous questions!  If anyone else has further or different info on 
>those, please let me know...
>
>	For those waiting patiently for this catalog to near fruition 
>all I can say is 'don't hold your breath'.  To give some idea of the
scop 
>involved in this effort: DL has had just over 100 coins issued.  The 
>WDW Resorts (not counting ANY park issues) have nearly 100 issues that I

>know of already.  So, on with more questions...
>
>	I got one report of a quad machine in 'Typhoon Lagoon'.  No 
>descriptions give, but all four designs reportedly had the words 
>'Typhoon Lagoon' on them.  Anyone have these?

Not a quad...but a triplet.

A - is a duplicate of FL Mickey Mouse in shades standing next to a surf
board
B- is a h. Logo of Typhoon Lagoon
C - is a duplicate of FL Swimming Goofy with a tube

A & C are duplicate pennies found at Resorts.


>	I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard 
>Beach, but I can't find my record of it.  Can someone provide a
description?

h. Ice Gator (the Blizzard Beach mascot) "Disney's Blizzard Beach" FL Ice
Gator on skis with a tube.

>	Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of 
>the other parks or are they essentially parks of their own?

Blizzard Beach, Typhoon Lagoon, River Country, Pleasure Island,  and
Discovery Island are all *minor* parks at Walt Disney World. They do take
a seperate admission to get into them.

River Country has a machine, it is a single machine and is a duplicate of
the same Goofy with a tube as listed above. (This coin is also at Dixie
Landings at least).

Walt Disney World is bad about having duplicates available....though,
when I am done updating my website...I will include a page of designs
that are *missing*.

Pleasure Island has a machine with three options:

v. HS Mickey Mouse (a duplicate)
h. Pleasure Island Logo
v. HS Goofy (a duplicate)


>	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name 
>Zeke or Gomer?
>
>	Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of 
>"Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic 
>dome.  Are these the same thing?

Yep....the name of the geodsesic dome that is the *feature* of Epcot is
Spaceship Earth. Spaceship Earth is the same to Epcot that Cinderella
Castle is to the Magic Kingdom and Sleeping Beauty Castle is to
Disneyland.

>	That's it for today as the library's closing.  Hopefully, I'll 
>be able to check in again on Monday!


Kenny Cottrell



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:00:13 -0400


On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
>	Okay, gang here's a list of the EPCOT coins I know of so far.  
>
>Does anyonehave any in their collections that vary from these 
>descriptions?  Or any coins that say Epcot, or you personally 
>collected at Epcot, that are not listed?
>
>v. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot" (2 minor variations)
>h. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot"
>v. FL Figment, "Epcot"
>v. HS Figment, "Figment/Epcot"
>v. FL Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
>v. FL Mickey w/ passport "Epcot"
>h. FL Minnie w/ flag "Epcot"
>v. FL Minnie w/ balloon "Epcot"
>v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World 
>Showcase/Epcot"
>	(anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?)

"American Adventure" above Mickey, "World Showcase" below Mickey and
"Epcot" at the bottom of the coin

>h. FL Baseball Mickey, "USA/Epcot"
>v. FL Statue of Liberty Minnie "Epcot"
>h. FL Running Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
>v. ?? Uncle Sam Mickey "Epcot"

v. FL Uncle Sam Mickey "World Showcase" "Epcot" (World Showcase is above
Mickey and Epcot is at the bottom of the coin

>h. ?? Mickey w/ flag "Epcot"

h FL Mickey w/flags and Spaceship Earth "Epcot" (btw the one I have has
the *new* Epcot logo...the first penny to have the new logo instead of
the old logo - does anyone have this penny with the old logo on it?)

Kenny Cottrell



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:49:44 -0400


On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:41:22 -0400 (EDT) R0BERTH0FF@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
>
>> 	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name 
>Zeke  or Gomer?
>>  
>
>Thought it was AL.

Two coins here at the CBJ.

v. FS Zeke (Disney describes it as Zeke) playing an instrument....I
called it a bass, Disney calls it a banjo....well....it has a long handle
like a bass, and stands on the ground like a bass, but the instrument
part is small like a banjo....oops. "Country Bear Jamboree" is a part of
the border. "Magic Kingdom"

v FS Big Al playing a guitar. "Coutnry Bear Jamboree" is a part of the
border (rest of border are dots) "Magic Kingdom"

Kenny Cottrell



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:00:36 -0500

I plan on getting on this thing tomorrow and let everyone know where 
they and I stand on trades (as far as I know).  I will try to do this 
off the list.  I am a little behind but will keep at it until caught up. 
I promise.

Flats



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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 22:31:30 -0500

I think I have caught up on trades.  If I didn't email you and I owe 
you, please let me know.  Also, if you owe me, I would like to know 
about that as well.  Gee, it must be 30 degrees outside as I write this 
from the tundra.  A regular heat wave.

Flats



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Squished Penny Museum
Date: 25 Oct 1997 23:35:44 -0400 (EDT)

I wrote a letter to the squished penny museum in Washington,D.C.-------I did
not receive a reply to my letter---is this museum still open??Has anyone
visited this museum ? 
  Thank   you            Al



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Coin shows--
Date: 25 Oct 1997 23:41:08 -0400 (EDT)

I want to say thank you to the person that alerted me to the coin show that
was held in Long Beach ,Calif.  ;six or so weeks ago. This show was great!!!
I would appreciate 
it if someone that knows about other upcomming coin shows in southern calif.
would post the dates for the readers of this list.
Thank  you       Al



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Squished Penny Museum
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:03:33 -0700

On 10/25/97 8:35 PM AlinCal2@aol.com (AlinCal2@aol.com ) wrote

>I wrote a letter to the squished penny museum in Washington,D.C.-------I did
>not receive a reply to my letter---is this museum still open??Has anyone
>visited this museum ? 
>  Thank   you            Al

The SPM moved... You may have sent the letter to the old address. Try 
writing an email to Pete at PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com

Bert



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Coin shows--
Date: 26 Oct 1997 00:53:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 23:45:28 EDT, you write:

> I want to say thank you to the person that alerted me to the coin show that
>  was held in Long Beach ,Calif.  ;six or so weeks ago. This show was
great!!!
>  I would appreciate 
>  it if someone that knows about other upcomming coin shows in southern
calif.
>  would post the dates for the readers of this list.
>  Thank  you       Al
>  
Hi Al!

Oct. 26, Van Nuys.  14750 Sherman Way, Free.  35 Tables 1 310 821 7000 for
info.
Oct 26 Glendale. 735 E. Lexington Dr.  Free.  30 Tables 1 760 721 1810 for
info.
Nov. 1-2 Pasadena.  300 E. Green St. 60 Tables 1 818 432 6660 for info.
Nov. 1-2 Buena Park,8550 Stanton Ave, Cost $1. 65 Tables 1 714 639 6202 for
info.
Nov 1-2 San Diego, 1936 Quivira Way Across from Sea World. Free 28 Tables 1
760 721-1810 for info.

This is just some of the shows, other list members may have more.

-Bob Hoff



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 26 Oct 1997 00:54:07 -0400 (EDT)



Hi All!

A quick question.  In my search for a "complete set" of Disneyland ec's, I
have come across the Ron Dominguez ec but only in zinc.  Were there any
copper cents pressed for this ec in '94?

Thanks,
-Bob



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello to new friends.
Date: 25 Oct 1997 22:02:19 -0700

On 10/25/97 2:29 PM Cwsmith217@aol.com (Cwsmith217@aol.com ) wrote

>Greetings, 
>
>	I was just blown away when I ran across ...=EDs Penny Page.  I =
had no
>ideal there were so many other crazy penny smashers out there.  I=EDve =
been on
>the mailing list about a week now and I=EDm so excited to check my mail =
now
>days.

Kathy's Penny Page is a legend on the EC Web! Alan Daly told me about =
here site and it was a MAJOR boost to my collecting knowledge (Thanks =
Kathy)!

Welcome to the list Cliff! I am very excited to have you (our first =
roller) join us! We'd all love to hear about your rolling adventures, =
about the process of engraving, etc!

>	Want you all to know that I=EDm new to the ec Web community, however, =
I=EDm not
>new to the ec business.  I=EDve been rolling and collecting ec=EDs since =
1979.  I
>saw my first hand crank machine at a ski resort in Gatlinbrug, TN and =
bought
>one on the spot.  I knew I could make some money with it in the number one
> tourist capital of the world, Orlando, FL.  I was disappointed I =
wasn=EDt able
>to get into any of the large tourist attractions, so =ECcranked =
pennies=EE at the
>local fairs and fea markets for a couple of years.

Several of us are on the lookout for a machine. There are some =
available for $2500 and up, but that is out of our range. Do you have =
any advice on something less expensive? We are looking for lots of =
info on WDW coins, in case you have any locations/descriptions...

Can you send us locations of your machines and descriptions of their =
coins? There's probably a lot list members that would like to collect =
your coins, if you would like to set up some trades... I will start =
off by offering San Diego EC's in trade for your designs or any FB's =
you may want to trade...

>	To make a long story short, I designed a coin-op machine in 1986 and I =
got
>it into Church Street Station.  I still have my hand cranker plus three
>coin-op=EDs and five more in the works.  You might also like to know I =
have
>over 350 ec=EDs in my collection, many of them from the late great =
engraver
>Frank Brazzell.  I=EDd be glad to do some trading.

I'd love to include any photos (GIF or JPG) of your machines and/or =
coins on my web site. You can see the Smashed Coin Locator at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.h=
tml

I'd like to get some info about you on my Engraver's page as well, if =
that is of interest to you... Please pass on your new URL once you =
have your web site up and running and I will include a link from my =
web site... Feel free to include a link to the Smashed Coin Locator...

Thanks for joining the list. We all look forward to talking/trading =
with you soon...

Bert Creighton
EC Location Keeper



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 26 Oct 1997 01:10:05 -0400 (EDT)

I'm planning a big road trip with my 3 year-old, so casinos may be out.
However, if Jeff can bribe a janitor at a museum, I can certainly walk
through a casino!
     Elongates or bust!

In a message dated 10/25/97 9:08:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> 	Never made it up there, but be sure to check out the casinos!  
>  Many Vegas casinos have machines, so I would expct their Renoe/Tahoe 
>  counterparts to have them as well!
>  
>  		Peace,
>  
>  			Aahz
>  




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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) N. California Coin shows
Date: 26 Oct 1997 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT)

For everyone's information:
Upcoming Northern California coin shows.
October 25, 26 Fresno, Las Palmas Masonic Temple 
November 2nd, Santa Cruz, Elk's Club
November 9th, Palo Alto Elk's lodge
(weekend off)
November 21,22,23 - Santa Clara Convention Center
November 30 - Concord Veteran's Memorial Building.

If anyone wants more info, just email me and I'll send you a brocure.

Mickey 
TEC 2115




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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:33:24 -0500 (EST)

Aahz --

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:47:27 EDT, you write:

<< v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World
Showcase/Epcot"
 	(anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?) >>


"The American Adventure"   is above Mickey and the rest is below.   (Also has
the Epcot symbol before the word Epcot.)


Hopes this helps!

Davelle



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:42:19 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-25 21:43:35 EDT, you write:

<< 
 In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
 
 > 	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke 
 >  or Gomer?
 >  
 
 Thought it was AL.
 
 -Bob >>


I think that you are right -- We always called him "Big AL"

Davelle




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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:42:41 -0500 (EST)

Aahz --

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

<< 	I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach, 
 but I can't find my record of it.  Can someone provide a description?

It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
Gator below it.  Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.
 
 	Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the 
 pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own? >>

These are parks of their own (along with River Country).

Hope this helps!
Davelle




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From: Melinda Couden <mcouden@netusa1.net>
Subject: (elongates) Indianapolis Zoo coins
Date: 26 Oct 1997 15:15:16 -0500

Yesterday I collected a set of 4 coins from the Indianapolis Zoo.  I =
would gladly describe them to anyone who might be interested in posting =
them to a location list.  Didn't know who to direct this information to.

Melinda Couden



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Maine Location
Date: 26 Oct 1997 15:04:15 -0800

Greetings All,

Here's a partial report for a penny machine in Maine. A friend (in 
Boston) sent me a Rockport, Maine penny. It is a harbor scene, and at the 
top it says "Motif No. 1." The bottom says "Rockport, MA."

This penny is a zinc, with a lot of zinc showing, so if anyone finds this 
machine, please smash me a pre-82 (or 3).

If anyone finds the machine, please ask the owner of the establishment 
(what ever kind of business it is) if they know of other Maine machines, 
and if they have a phone number for the machine's company, so we can try 
to call and get more info... 

(For the newer list members, many of the companies that own these 
machines and place them out in tourist locations DON'T return our phone 
calls, emails or snail mails about their locations, etc. There's a great 
deal of competition for the lucrative locations, and so they don't want 
to give up their good spots.)

I have asked my friend to get us more location info, so you all (in the 
Northeast) can find this machine... She's a Dr. and will be at the 
hospital for the 30 hours, so it may be a day of 2 before we hear back...

Bert



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From: MRSRS@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hello / New (Newer) Machines ?
Date: 26 Oct 1997 20:53:20 -0500 (EST)

I am a new member, and I am also a friend of Bill Rowland ( from Carlsbad,
San Diego CA.)  I collect smashed coins from places I have visited with my
family.  I first heard about the EC pages on the WWW, while I was having
lunch with a friend.  While on the WWW, I found your list and joined.  
FYI
I just  went to the San Diego Wild Animal Park yesterday and found that they
had new machines since I was last there (Dec of 96).  They now have a "Heart
of Africa" and what looked like a "25th" anvr. machine at the front of the
new store, near the NEW entrance to the park.  The "Heart of Africa" part of
the park is new, so these machines should also be kind of new.  Does any one
else have any info. on this ?
Steve (mrsrs@aol.com)



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 26 Oct 1997 18:17:55 -0800 (PST)

On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> A quick question.  In my search for a "complete set" of Disneyland ec's, I
> have come across the Ron Dominguez ec but only in zinc.  Were there any
> copper cents pressed for this ec in '94?

	The die was available in a machine at TDA during their open 
house, so they certainly could have been rolled on coppers as well as zincs.

		Peace,

			Aahz
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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland & NFFC web sites (slightly off Topic)
Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:20:02 EST

Hello All,

	This may be slightly off topic, If anyone feels this to be so
please accept my apology.

I visited the web site for Tokyo Disneyland: 

(http://www.tokyo disneyland.co.jp/english/e_park_infor/location.html 
 
Also NFFC the club for Disneyana enthusiasts, (www.nffc.org).

NFFC boasts Tens of Thousands of Old & New Disney Items For Sale !

I hope others might be interested in checking out future events hosted by
both places.

	
	Hoping someone can benefit from this posting.

		Sincerely Jim 	



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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland & NFFC web sites (slightly off Topic)
Date: 27 Oct 1997 00:42:51 -0500 (EST)


In a message dated 10/27/97 4:22:33 AM, you wrote:

<<NFFC boasts Tens of Thousands of Old & New Disney Items For Sale !>>

This really is a great organization! My wife and I have belonged for several
years now and their conventions and shows are really something to see. Our
interest had been Disney, and the EC's didn't start until last summer, where
at the show and sale there were several limited and discontinued EC's for
sale. Really worthwhile looking into.

Thanks,

Carl



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:34:36 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 02:11:20 EST, you write:

> 
>  	The die was available in a machine at TDA during their open 
>  house, so they certainly could have been rolled on coppers as well as
zincs.
>  
>  
Hi Aahz!

Gould you tell more about the TDA?  Inquiring mind need to know. :-)

-Bob



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Subject: (elongates) Route 66 Coin
Date: 26 Oct 1997 21:06:44 -0600

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http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Route 66 Coin
Date: 27 Oct 1997 11:33:32 -0600

... wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure who was asking about this coin but....
> My in-laws just came back from a trip to Branson, Missouri. They traveled through Joplin, Missouri and picked up a Route 66 coin from the 
largest McDonalds in
> 
> They also picked up a coin from Dick's 5&10 in downtown Branson.
> 
> Kathy
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not sure who was asking about this coin but....
> My in-laws just came back from a trip to Branson, Missouri. They
> traveled through Joplin, Missouri and picked up a Route 66 coin from
> the largest McDonalds in the USA. They were travelling on Route 66
> along a stretch just west of Joplin which is a toll road. They said
> the McDonalds restaurant "arched" over top of the tollway. They took
> pictures and if you are interested, I'll scan the photo once they get
> them developed.
> 
> They also picked up a coin from Dick's 5&10 in downtown Branson.
> 
> Kathy
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...
> Sent check today for coins



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:07:55 -0800 (PST)


On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Gould you tell more about the TDA?  Inquiring mind need to know. :-)
> 

	Um...not really...TDA id the Team Disney Administration 
building.  I assume it's kinda like corporate headquarters.  They had an 
open house (don't have the dates handy, but they're in the TDA portion of 
the DL catalog).  Anyway, the open house was for three days and they had 
the Ron Domniguez coin available as well as the construction hat Mickey.

		Peace,

			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) LA Zoo coins
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:13:32 -0800 (PST)


Greetings & Salutations!

	I got a copy of Nancy's list of the current LA Zoo coins 
yesterday and will be working up the catalog in the next coupla days.  I 
still need a description of the California Condor coin that was reported 
here earlier.  Also, does anyone else haveany older LA Zoo issues?

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:23:08 -0800 (PST)


	Good morning, folx.  It's time for the WDW EC questions of the day:

Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle 
reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice 
Gator.  Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I can 
be sure thet these are different coins?

The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it was 
indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon 
Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.

Also on the "reported but unconfirmed" lisut is the penny with Quasimodo, 
Esmerelda and Poebus.

		That's it for today.

			Peace,

				Aahz
 





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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:10:19 -0800

It is one of my primary functions. Bert, If you are interested in a real
big move I can put you in touch with the Peace Officer Standards and
Training unit in Sacramento to see if your training is transferable. If
not you would have to start at entry level. e mail me direct if you want
more info
Bill



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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello / New (Newer) Machines ?
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:31:40 -0800

Hi Steve
I was at the Wild Animal Park last week and I must have missed the Heart
fo Africa machine. There was a 25th anniversary machine at the Plant
Trader store but it was out of order. They also had the elephant coin
but the rhino was no longer there.(they may have moved it around) I will
go back sometime in November and see if I can get some more info on the
designs and locations.
Stop by when you get a chance and let me look at the Heart of Africa
design.

Thanks,
Bill



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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:09:48 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:

<< Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

I got one - do you need information about it????
 
 My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle 
 reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice 
 Gator.  Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I can 
 be sure thet these are different coins? >>

My mistake --  I thought I said it was vertical but I guess I typed
horizontal -- sorry about that -- it is definately  vertical.  Sorry for the
confusion.

Davelle




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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:19:19 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-26 10:41:09 EST, you write:

<< Aahz --
 
 In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
 
 << 	I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach, 
  but I can't find my record of it.  Can someone provide a description?
 
 It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
Gator below it.  Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.
   >>


Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as vertical --
 are we confused on some other coin?????   

Davelle



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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) new location of squished penny museum
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:56:00 -0500 (EST)

Hi --
The Squished Penny Museum is located at--- (new location)

  416   T   street  N  W   Washington   D.  C.  20001    

Information  for all                    Al      



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:57:43 -0500


On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:19:19 -0500 (EST) MFrisch328@aol.com writes:

>
>
>Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as 
>vertical --  are we confused on some other coin?????   
>

Nope it was *my* mistake....I reported it has a horizontal....it is
definately a vertical.

Sorry about that....typing too many of those descriptions...:)

Kenny Cottrell



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:53:11 -0500


On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
>	Good morning, folx.  It's time for the WDW EC questions of the 
>day:
>
>Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

Yep....it is like the penny found at the Caribbean Beach Resort at WDW
and the penny version is also found at Disneyland.

>My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle 
>reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice 
>Gator.  Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I 
>can be sure thet these are different coins?


The one I have is a vertical coin. [Up and down orientation. :)]

>The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it 
>was indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon 
>Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.


Just asking, but does Eurolink make a quad machine?

>Also on the "reported but unconfirmed" lisut is the penny with 
>Quasimodo, Esmerelda and Poebus.
>

Kenny Cottrell



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo coins
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:31:11 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:17:39 EST, you write:

> 
> I still need a description of the California Condor coin that was reported 
>  here earlier.  

I'm the proud owner of a cent ec, (H) continuos dot border, "Califronia
Condor" across the top inside, Los Angeles Zoo across the inside bottom.
 Picture of bird with wings out streched almost from inside edge to inside
edge just centered to the left flying toward the viewer with a mountain
showing to the right in the distance.  The art work is far above average
IMHO.

I believe this was a single machine.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033 



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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:31:18 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:

> Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?
>  

Yes, from the Magic Kingdom, 5/96.

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Update
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:49:24 -0800

Hi Everyone,

We went to Horten Plaza today to check out the 2 new machines... They are 
both hand cranks. The one by Longs drug is broken, to many pennies jammed 
in the shoot. The other one (by Irvine Market) is working... I will try 
to get some traders from both machines soon... Hold your requests for 
now, I will let you all know when I get some of these... 

I did get a picture of one of the machines... 

bc



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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) LA Zoo List
Date: 28 Oct 1997 00:36:39 EST

Nancy,

	It's finally done !! Here is the list of LA Zoo elongated Coins
my wife & I collected in 1994. 

			  

The coins listed here were collected in 1994 by Jim & Ann Thorpe.

Note at the time "The Penny Men" had a portable hand crank machine in    
   operation on one of the main roadways.

**These coins were rolled on the above machine. 

1.   Adventure Island (text top of coin)
      Pic. of Mountain Lion facing right (h)		
      Los Angeles Childrens Zoo (Bottom)
      Dot Border

2.   LA Zoo (text top of coin)
      Elephant (text middle of coin)
      Pic. of Elephant facing left with trunk raised (h)
      Dot Border  

3.   Pic. of Baby Elephant facing right trunk down (v)
      Elephant and Los Angeles Zoo (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border

4.   LA Zoo (text top of coin)
      Pic. of Rhinoceros facing right (h)
      Rhinoceros (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border

5.   Rhinoceros (text top of coin) **
      Pic. of Rhinoceros facing left (v)
      LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border

6.   Koala (text top of coin)
      Pic. of Koala in tree looking at viewer (v)
      LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border

7.   California Condor (text top of coin)
      Pic. of Condor wings open & in front of mountain (h)
      LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border



8.  Giraffe (text on top of coin)
     Pic of Giraffe facing right (v)
     LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
     Dot Border

9.  Pic. of Koala Bear looking at viewer (v)
     LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
     Dot Border

10. Baby Hippopotamus (text top of coin) **
      Pic. of Baby Hippo facing left (v) 
      LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
      Dot Border       
    	   
11. Giraffe (text in center of coin)
       Pic. of Giraffe facing left (v)
       LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
       Dot Border

12. Pic. of Monkeys on branch (v)
       LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
       Dot Border


I hope this list will help others further their knowledge about LA Zoo
elongateds collected in the past that may no longer be available.

			
		Sincerely Jim Thorpe 			
		Tec #1929		
		List completed 10-27-97		



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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) are a good investment!
Date: 28 Oct 1997 12:06:27 -0500 (EST)

It's a good thing that I got out of the stock market last month and put all
of my money into flattened copper!

Mickey
Laughing all the way to the EC machine.



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) are a good investment!
Date: 28 Oct 1997 09:09:52 -0800

On 10/28/97 9:06 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>It's a good thing that I got out of the stock market last month and put all
>of my money into flattened copper!
>
>Mickey
>Laughing all the way to the EC machine.

I know we are supposed to limited our "me too" emails, but I also sold 
almost all my Apple Stock this summer when it double (almost hit 30) and 
not I have re-invested in my EC collection! Copper in the hand is worth 
more than Wall Street paper today!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Northern CA, Nevada Update
Date: 28 Oct 1997 10:32:01 -0800

Greetings All,

I just got some new pennies (mostly zincs) from some friends... 

1 - (H), [Four Cartwrights] "Ponderosa Ranch" at top, "Of Bonanza T.V. 
Fame" at bottom. (Eurolink Machine)

2 - (H), [Design of the Ranch House] "Ponderosa Ranch" at top, "Of 
Bonanza T.V. Fame" at bottom. (Eurolink Machine)

3 - (H), [Design of the Ranch House] "Wild West Museum" at top, "Virginia 
City, Nev." at bottom. (Unknown Machine)
>Wild West Museum -- Attractions include Western memorabilia; antique guns, 
>animal mounts; Chinese, Indian, and John Wayne displays, outlaw photo 
>gallery. Information: 847-0400 or 66 N. "C" St., Virginia City 89440. 
>Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season: Mar.-Nov. Admission: Donation. 

I would love to trade for some uncirculated pre-82's of these coins!

There are MANY museums in this area. We could all divide up the list and 
write (snail mail, or email) or call these museums to build a list of 
EC's in the area. Once we have a list, it becomes easier for people 
travelling to/thru the area to build there collections and get traders 
for the rest of us... Here's a partial list of Tahoe/Nevado museums that 
need to be checked out for elonaged coins:

ELKO Museums & Attractions

Northeastern Nevada Museum 
       Features exhibits on mining, ranching, railroads, Native 
Americans, and natural history of northeastern Nevada.
       Information: 738-3418; Fax 778-9318 or 1515 Idaho St., Elko 89801. 
Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat.; 1:00
       p.m.-5:00 p.m., Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Western Folklife Center 
       Exhibits of contemporary folk art, often including cowboy gear; 
gift shop. Information: 738-7508; Fax 738-2900 or 501
       Railroad St., P.O. Box 888, Elko 89803. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-6:00 
p.m., Mon.-Sat. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 


LOVELOCK Museums & Attractions

Pershing County Courthouse 
       Historic round courthouse built in 1919; listed on the National 
Register for its unique design by architect Frederick J.
       DeLongchamps. Information: 273-7144 or 400 Main St., P.O. Box 986, 
Lovelock 89419. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
       Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Pershing County Marzen House Museum 
       Built in 1874, this two-story house features, mining equipment, 
home fixtures, Native American artifacts, and a
       Lovelock Cave exhibit. Information: 273-2115 or Marzen Ln., P.O. 
Box 566, Lovelock 89419. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00
       p.m., Tue.-Fri.; 1:30 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Sat.-Sun. Season: 
Year-round. Admission: Donation. 


WINNEMUCCA Museums & Attractions

Buckaroo Hall of Fame 
       Memorabilia including traditional working gear, paintings, 
sculpture, and drawings. Information: 623-2225 or 30 W.
       Winne-mucca Blvd., Winnemucca 89445. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-noon & 1:00 
p.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Donation. 
Humboldt Museum 
       Three turn-of-the-century buildings with antique autos, farm 
collection, and Native American exhibits. Information:
       623-2912; Fax 623-5640 or Jungo Rd. & Maple Ave., P.O. Box 819, 
Winnemucca 89446. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-noon &
       1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri.; 1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Sat. Season: 
Year-round except major holidays. Admission:
       Donation. 

BAKER Museums & Attractions

Great Basin National Park 
       Attractions include tours of Lehman Cave, miles of hiking trails, 
groves of ancient bristlecone pine trees, and Wheeler
       Peak - a permanent ice field in a glacial cirque. Information: 
234-7331 or Hwy. 488, Baker 89311. Hours: Visitors
       Center 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily; park-24 hours. Season: 
Year-round except major holidays. Admission:
       Entrance-free, call for guided tour and camping fees. 



ELY Museums & Attractions

East Ely Railroad Depot Museum 
       Housed in the historic East Ely Depot, the museum preserves the 
mining and transportation heritage of eastern
       Nevada. Information: 289-1663; Fax 289-1664 or 1100 Avenue A, Box 
151100, East Ely 89315. Hours: 8:00
       a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: Donation. 
Nevada Northern Railway Museum 
       Large collection of historic rolling stock including two 
heavy-duty locomotives that hauled copper. Train rides are
       available. Information: 289-2085 or P.O. Box 150040, East Ely 
89315. Hours: Tours 9:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m., daily
       Season: Memorial Day thru Labor Day. Admission: Museum 
general-$2.50, children (under 10)-free; train rides
       $4.00-$14.00. 
Ward Charcoal Ovens State Historic Site 
       Six 30-foot tall kilns built of native stone that provided 
charcoal for the smelter at the Ward mining camp. (Located 5
       mi. S. of Ely on Hwy. 93 and 11 mi. W. by graded dirt road.) 
Information: 728-4467; Fax 728-4469 or c/o Nevada
       Division of State Parks, Box 176, Panaca 89042. 
White Pine County Museum 
       Museum exhibits reflect the mining and railroading lifestyles of 
the early settlers; also includes the Hesselgesser Doll
       Collection with 1000+ dolls. Information: 289-4710 or 2000 Aultman 
St., Ely 89301. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.,
       Mon.-Fri., 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m. Sat.-Sun. Season: Year-round 
except major holidays. Admission: Donation. 



EUREKA Museums & Attractions

Eureka County Courthouse 
       Completed in 1880, the courthouse is still in use and features 
some original furniture, the ornate courtroom, pressed
       tin ceilings, and walk-in vaults. Information: 237-6006; Fax 
237-6040 or P.O. Box 14, Eureka 89316. Hours: 8:00
       a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Eureka Opera House 
       Built in 1880 and restored in 1993. The opera house with its 
original 1924 hand-painted stage curtain offers a unique
       historic experience. Information: 237-6006; Fax 237-6040 or P.O. 
Box 284, Eureka 89316. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00
       p.m., Mon.-Fri. & by appointment. Season: Year-round. Admission: 
None. 
Eureka Sentinel Museum 
       Located in the old Eureka Sentinel building, the town's longest 
running newspaper, displaying artifacts from
       Eureka's 1870's lead/silver mining era. Information: 237-5010; Fax 
237-6040 or P.O. Box 82, Eureka 89316. Hours:
       9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. Season: Apr.-Sept., daily; Oct.-Mar., 
Tue.-Sat. Admission: Donation. 



FALLON Museums & Attractions

Churchill County Museum & Archives 
       Featuring exhibits on local Native American tribes, the Emigrant 
Trail, the Pony Express and early Churchill County.
       Information: 423-3677 or 1050 S. Maine St., Fallon 89406. Hours: 
10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. & noon-4:00
       p.m., Sun. (Apr.-Dec.); 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. & 
noon-4:00 p.m., Sun. (Jan.-Mar.). Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Donation. 
Grimes Point Archaeological Site 
       Interpretive trail leading though boulders covered with 
petroglyphs; located 12 miles east of Fallon on Hwy. 395
       Information: 885-6000; Fax 885-6147 or c/o Bureau of Land 
Management, 1535 Hot Springs Rd., Carson City
       89706. 
Hidden Cave 
       Guides take visitors on a 1/4-mile, uphill trail to the ancient 
storage site for local Native Americans. Information:
       423-3677 or 1050 S. Maine St., Fallon 89406. Hours: 9:30 
a.m.-11:30 a.m., second and fourth Sat. of month.
       Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Stillwater Wildlife Refuge 
       Located on the Pacific Flyway, the wetlands are the temporary home 
to hundreds of species of migratory birds every
       year. Information: 423-5128 or call for details. 

       FERNLEY Museums & Attractions

Wigwam Restaraunt Museum 
       Museum features Indian artifacts, arrowheads, baskets , paintings 
by Nevadan Bill Moore, leather and beadwork,
       Kachina dolls and wicker duck decoys. Information: 575-2573 or 225 
W. Main St., P.O. Box 77 Fernley 89408.
       Hours: 5:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: 
none. 

CARSON CITY Museums & Attractions

Brewery Arts Center 
       Center offers pottery studio, art galleries, exhibits, classes, 
music, and theatrical performances. Information:
       883-1976; Fax 883-1976 or 449 W. King St., Carson City 89703. 
Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season:
       Year-round. Admission: None (except for performance). 
The Children's Museum of Northern Nevada 
       Hands-on interactive exhibits turn learning into self-paced 
recreational fun. Information: 884-2226 or 813 N.
       Carson St., Carson City 89701. Hours: Please call. Season: 
Year-round. Admission: Adults-$4.00, children
       (3-12)-$2.00, children (2 & under)-free. 
Nevada State Capitol 
       State Capitol and exhibit recapturing the past 120 years of 
Nevada's No. 1 historic building. Information: 687-4810
       or Carson St. at Musser St., Capitol Complex, Carson City 89710. 
Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season:
       Year-round. Admission: None. 
Nevada State Library & Archives 
       Exhibits include the original state constitution and a video 
program highlighting Nevada's admission to the union
       during the Civil War. Information: 687-8317, (800) 922-2880; Fax 
687-8311 or 100 Stewart St., Capitol Complex,
       Carson City 89710. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. except 
state holidays. Season: Year-round. Admission:
       None. 
Nevada State Museum 
       Housed in the former U.S. mint, the museum features memorabilia of 
Nevada's history, geology, and culture,
       including a full-size replica of a ghost town and an underground 
mine. Information: 687-4810; Fax 687-4168 or 600
       N. Carson St., Carson City 89710. Hours: 8:30 a.m.-4:30 p.m., 
daily except major holidays. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Senior citizens-$2.50, adults-$3.00, children (18 & 
under)-free. 
Nevada State Railroad Museum 
       The museum houses over 50 pieces of railroad equipment from 
Nevada's colorful past. Information: 687-6953; Fax
       687-8294 or 2180 S. Carson St., Carson City 89703. Hours: 8:30 
a.m.-4:30 p.m., Wed.-Sun. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Adults-$2.00, children (under 18)-free. 
Roberts House Museum 
       Nevada's oldest standing Victorian home and museum located in a 
quaint downtown Carson City park. Information:
       887-2174, 882-4133 or 1207 N. Carson St., P.O. Box 1864, Carson 
City 89701. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
       Tue.-Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: $2.00 donation. 
Stewart Indian Cultural Center 
       The museum features a display of E. S. Curtis photogravures, 
various grinding stones, baskets, an arrowhead
       collection, and a Stewart Indian School exhibit. Information: 
882-1808 or 5366 Snyder Ave., Carson City 89701.
       Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Warren Engine Co. No. 1 Historic Fire Museum 
       Historical view of the Carson Fire Department with several pieces 
of fire apparatus, Currier & Ives lithographs,
       photographs and artifacts. Information: 887-2210, Fax 887-2209 or 
777 S. Stewart St., Carson City 89701. Hours:
       8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 



CARSON VALLEY Museums & Attractions

(MINDEN / GARDNERVILLE)

Carson Valley Museum & Cultural Center 
       Restored high school with East Fork Artists Cooperative art 
gallery, children's art museum, Washoe Indian Tribe
       exhibit and agricultural displays. Information; 782-2555 or 1477 
Hwy. 395, Gardnerville 89410. Hours: 10:00
       a.m.-5:00 p.m. daily. Seasons: Year-round except Christmas, New 
Year's and Easter. Admision: Donation. 
Genoa Courthouse Museum 
       Restored Douglas County Courthouse, built in 1865, includes 
exhibits of a courtroom, parlor, jail, kitchen, blacksmith
       shop, and schoolroom. Information: 782-4325 or corner of Main & 
5th, P.O. Box 957, Genoa 89411. Hours: 10:00
       a.m.-4:30 p.m., daily. Season: May-Oct. Admission: Donation. 
Sharkey's Memorabilia Collection 
       Sharkey Begovich's collection of Western art, boxing memorabilia, 
circus items, and a saddle collection from rodeo
       and movie stars. Information: 782-3133 or c/o Sharkey's Nugget 
Casino, 1440 Hwy. 395, P.O. Box 625, Gardnerville
       89410. Hours: 24 hours, daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: 
None. 
Walley's Hot Springs 
       Hot mineral pools established in 1862 plus a fresh-water swimming 
pool, saunas, steam and weight room, and
       tennis. Information: 782-8155 or 2001 Foothill Rd., P.O. Box 26, 
Genoa 89411. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., daily.
       Season: Year-round. Admission: $12 per person. 



LAKE TAHOE-NORTH Museums & Attractions

Ponderosa Ranch 
       Home of the "Bonanza" Western TV series with the Cartwright ranch 
house, a Western town, and a collection of
       antique automobiles, carriages, and farm equipment. Information: 
831-0691; Fax 831-0113 or 100 Ponderosa Ranch
       Rd., Incline Village 89451. Hours: 9:30 a.m.-5:00 p.m. (Hayride 
breakfast 8:00 a.m.-9:30 a.m.), daily. Season:
       May-Oct. (Hayride breakfast Memorial Day thru Labor Day). 
Admission: Adults-$8.50, children (5-11)-$5.50,
       children (under 5)-free (Hayride breakfast-$2.00 additional). 



LAKE TAHOE-SOUTH Museums & Attractions

Heavenly Aerial Tram 
       Take a 5-minute tram ride to an elevation of 8,250 feet for 
spectacular views of Lake Tahoe, plus hiking, interpretive
       walks, and Top of the Tram dining. Information: 586-700 (Main 
Office), (916) 544-6263 (Top of Tram Dining) or
       Top of Ski Run Blvd., P.O. Box 2180, Stateline 89449. Hours: 10:00 
a.m.-9:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. and 9:00 a.m.-9:00
       p.m., Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$10.50, 
children-$6.00. 
M.S. Dixie II 
       Tahoe's largest, most spacious paddlewheeler with champagne 
brunch, sightseeing, lunch, and dinner cruises for 25
       to 500 passengers. Information: 588-3508; Fax 588-5021 or 760 Hwy. 
50, P.O. Box 1667, Zephyr Cove 89448.
       Hours: 9:00a.m-11:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: 
Adults-$14.00 to $34.00, children (11 &
       under)-$5.00 to $10.00, group rates available. 
Tahoe Rim Trail 
       A 150-mile system of hiking and equestrian trails around the Lake 
Tahoe ridgetops, accessed from trailheads at
       Spooner Summit (Hwy. 50), Tahoe City (East side), Luther Pass 
(Hwy. 89), and Kingsbury (Hwy. 207). Information:
       588-0686; Fax 588-8737 or 298 Kingsbury Grade, P.O. Box 4647, 
Stateline 89449. 
Woodwind Sailing Cruises 
       Offering public and private sailing excursions plus weddings for 
up to 30 passengers. Information: 588-3000 or
       Hwy. 50 at Zephyr Cove, P.O. Box 1375, Zephyr Cove 89448. Hours: 
9:00 a.m.-7:00 p.m., daily. Season: Apr.-Oct.
       Admission: Call for prices. 
Zephyr Cove Resort 
       Complete lakeside resort with sandy beach, boat rentals, jet 
skiing, parasailing, stables, cabins, campground, sailing,
       sportfishing, and more. Information: 588-6644; Fax 588-9627 or 760 
Hwy. 50, P.O. Box 830, Zephyr Cove 89448.
       Hours: 24 hours, daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: Call for 
prices. 
Zephyr Cove Snowmobile Center 
       Exhilarating snowmobile rides with spectacular lake views from 
9,000 feet, guides and instruction included.
       First-timers and groups welcome. Information: 588-3833; Fax 
588-5021 or 760 Hwy. 50, P.O. Box 830, Zephyr
       Cove 89448. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily, Season: Nov.-Apr. 
Admission: $69.00-$99.00. 



RENO / SPARKS Museums & Attractions

Boomtown's Family Fun Center 
       Features miniature golf, dynamic motion theater, carousel, ferris 
wheel, arcade games, and party room. Information:
       345-8668, (800) 648-3790; Fax 345-0147 or I-80 at Boomtown (Garson 
Exit), P.O. Box 399, Verdi 89439. Hours:
       10:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., Sun.-Thur.; 10:00 a.m.-midnight, Fri.-Sat. 
Season: Year-round. Admission: Day pass-$10.00
       (individual attractions prices also available). 
Fleischmann Planetarium 
       Nevada's first planetarium features star shows, SkyDome films, 
free museum, and public observatory. Information:
       784-4811, Fax 784-4822 or University of Nevada, Reno, 1664 N. 
Virginia St., Reno 89557. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00
       p.m. and 7:00 p.m.-9:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri.; 10:30 a.m.-9:00 p.m. 
Sat.-Sun. Season: Year-round except major holidays.
       Admission: Adults-$5.00, senior citizens-$3.50, children (13 & 
under)-$3.50. 
(W. M.) Keck Museum 
       The museum features mining artifacts and a large exhibit of rocks, 
minerals, and fossils. Information: 784-4528; Fax
       784-1766 or University of Nevada, Reno, Mackay School of Mines, 
Reno 89557. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
       Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round except major holidays and school 
breaks. Admission: None. 
(Wilbur D.) May Arboretum and Botanical Garden 
       An assortment of walking paths and theme gardens displaying both 
native and ornamental plants, plus a wide
       variety of specimen plants and trees. Information: 785-4153; Fax 
785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502
       Washington St., Reno 89503. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-sunset, daily. 
Season: Year-round. Admission: None, nominal fee for
       guided tours. 
(Wilbur D.) May Great Basin Adventure 
       A children's park with farm animals, dinosaurs, discovery room, 
log flume, and pony rides. Information: 785-4319;
       Fax 785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502 Washington St., Reno 
89503. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily.
       Season: Memorial Day thru Labor Day. Admission: Adults-$2.50, 
senior citizens (55 & up)-$1.50, children-$1.50. 
(Wilbur D.) May Museum 
       Museum houses the lifetime collections of Wilbur May, late 
department store magnate, rancher, big-game hunter,
       businessman, and philanthropist. Information: 785-5961; Fax 
785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502
       Washington St., Reno 89503. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., (daily, 
Apr.-Sep.; Tue.-Sun., Oct.-Mar.) Season:
       Year-round. Admission: Adults-$2.50 senior citizens (55 & 
over)-$1.50, children-$1.50. 
National Automobile Museum 
       Fun family experience with over 200 cars, multimedia theater, 
exhibits, period settings, gift shop, and restaurant.
       Information: 333-9300; Fax 333-9309 or 10 Lake St. S., Reno 89501. 
Hours: 9:30 a.m.-5:30 p.m., daily. Season:
       Year-round, except major holidays. Admission: Adults-$7.50, senior 
citizens-$6.50, children (6-18)-$2.50, children (5
       & under)- free with adult. 
National Bowling Stadium 
       Area-type facility designed for tournaments and special events; 
includes a 70mm Iwerks Theater. Information:
       334-2600; Fax 334-2606; or 300 N. Center St., Reno 89501. Hours: 
8:00 a.m. -6:00 p.m., daily. Season:
       Year-round. Admission: Stadium-free; Theater-$5.00. 
Nevada Historical Society Museum 
       Founded in 1904, the state's oldest museum offers permanent 
exhibits that encompass Nevada's history from
       prehistoric times to the present. Information: 688-1190; Fax 
688-2917 or 1650 N. Virginia Street, Reno 89503.
       Hours: Museum 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat.; Library 12:00 
noon-4:00 p.m., Tue.-Sat. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Adults-$2.00, children (under 18)-free. 
Nevada Museum of Art 
       Nevada's only collecting fine art museum with exhibits of 19th and 
20th century art. Information: 329-3333; Fax
       329-1541 or 160 W. Liberty St., Reno 89501 Hours: 10:00 a.m.-4:00 
p.m., Tue.-Sat.; 12:00 noon-4:00 p.m. Sun.
       Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$3.00, senior 
citizens-$1.50, students-$1.50, children (6-12)-$.50. 
Reno Arch 
       A unique entry-way sign located on Virginia Street in the downtown 
area featuring neon lighting, recognized
       world-wide. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815; or Reno 
Redevelopement, P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505. 
Reno-Tahoe Gaming Academy 
       "Behind the Scenes Gaming Tour" takes you where the casino dealers 
are trained. Information: 329-5665; Fax
       329-0846 or 300 E. First St., Suite 103, Reno 89501. Hours: By 
reservation. Season: Year-round. Admission: Call for
       rates. 
Sheppard Fine Art Gallery 
       Exhibits of regional and national artists, rotating about every 
three weeks; hosted reception with each new opening.
       Information: 784-6682; Fax 784-6655 or University of Nevada, Reno, 
Church Fine Arts Bldg., Reno 89557. Hours:
       9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Wed. & Fri.; 9:00 a.m.-9:00 p.m., Thur. 
Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 
Sierra Safari Zoo 
       Offers a small zoo experience with an opportunity to get close to 
many animal species; includes over 200 animals
       representing 40 species. Information: 677-1101 or 102000 N. 
Virginia Street, Reno 89506. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00
       p.m., daily. Season Apr. - Oct. Admission: Adults-$5.00; senior 
citizens-$4.00; children-$3.00. 
(Raymond I.) Smith Truckee River Walk 
       Public plaza featuring native Nevada wildlife reliefs and unique 
fountains. Site for concerts, art exhibits, and the
       annual festival of trees. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815 or 
10 Island Ave., P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505. Hours:
       12:00 noon-8:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. Season: June-Sept. & Dec. 
Admission: None. 
Sparks Heritage Foundation & Museum 
       Features historical memorabilia depicting early Sparks and 
surrounding area with emphasis on railroading.
       Information: 355-1144 or 820 "B" St., Sparks 89431. Hours: 11:00 
a.m.-4:00 p.m., Tue.-Sat. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: Donation. 
Wild Island 
       Northern Nevada's largest family amusement complex including a 
waterpark, 36-hole mini-golf course, two race
       tracks, and giant game center. Information: 359-2927; Fax 359-5942 
or 250 Wild Island Court, Sparks 89434.
       Hours: Varies with the season, daily. Season: Waterpark, Memorial 
Day-Labor Day; golf course and raceway,
       year-round. Admission: Waterpark general-$15.95, Junior-$10.95; 
golf 18 holes-$3.95, 36 holes-$5.95; raceway Indy
       car-$3.50, sprint car-$2.00. 
Wingfield Park Amphitheater 
       Open air amphitheater located by the Raymond I. Smith Truckee 
River Walk offering concerts, theater and special
       events. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815 or 2 N. Arlington 
Ave., P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505. Hours: 12:00
       noon-8:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat., Season: June-Sept. Admission: None. 



VIRGINIA CITY Museums & Attractions

(Julia C.) Bullette Red Light Museum 
       History of Julia Bullette, a favored soiled dove of 1860's 
Virginia City; displays include vintage erotica and antique
       medical equipment. Information: 847-9394, 5 "C" St., Virginia City 
89440. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-9:00 p.m., Thur.-Sun.
       Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$1.00, children (under 
16)-free. 
Fourth Ward School Museum 
       Built in 1876, the museums main exhibit, "A Comstock Lesson," 
features the history and culture of the Comstock.
       Information: 847-0975 or "C" St., P.O. Box 4, Virginia City 89440. 
Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season:
       May-Oct. Admission: Donation. 
Liberty Engine Company #1 Museum 
       Artifacts relating to the history of firefighting on the Comstock. 
Information: 847-0717 or 51 S. "C" St., P.O. Box 466,
       Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season: 
May-Nov. Admission: Donation. 
Mackay Mansion Museum 
       Built in 1860 as the headquarters of John Mackay, King of the 
Comstock. Includes mining artifacts, original
       furnishings, and Tiffany silver. Information: 847-0173, Fax 
847-7625 or 129 S. "D" St., P.O. Box 971, Virginia City
       89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round. 
Admission: Adults-$3.00, children-(17 & under)
       free. 
Nevada Gambling Museum 
       Featuring over half-a-million-dollars worth of gaming memorabilia, 
including over 100 antique slot machines,
       cheating devices, and gamblers weapons. Information: 847-9022 or 
50 S. "C" St., Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00
       a.m.-5:00 p.m., Oct.-Mar.; 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., Apr. - Sep. 
Season: Year-round. Admission: $1.50. 
Piper's Opera House 
       Built in the 1880's, Piper's Opera House attracted famous stars 
from Europe and the United States; listed by the
       League of Historic Theaters as the most significant vintage 
theater in the West. Information: 847-0433 or "B" St. at
       Union St., Virginia City 89440. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m., 
daily. Season: Jun.-Oct. Admission: Adults-$2.00,
       children (under 10)-free. 
Virginia & Truckee Railroad (V&T) 
       Narrated 35-minute steam train ride through the heart of the 
historic Comstock mining region. Information:
       847-0380 or Washington & "F" St., P.O. Box 467, Virginia City 
89440. Hours: 10:30 a.m.-5:45 p.m. Season:
       May-Sept. (daily) & Oct. (weekends). Admission: Adults-$4.50, 
children (5-12)- $2.25. 
Virginia City Historic Walking Tours 
       Informative two-hour historic walking tour covering one mile of 
Virginia City. Information: 847-9233; Fax
       847-9233; or P.O. Box 151, Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:30 a.m. 
& 1:30 p.m., Sat. - Thu.; 2:00 p.m., Sun. Season:
       Year-round. Admission: Adults-$8.00; children (8-12) -$5.00 
Virginia City Trolley 
       A 2 1/2-mile, 20-minute narrated tour of Virginia City on a 
trolley or tram. Information: 786-0866; or c/o Virginia
       City Tours, 1050 Hoge N., Reno 89506. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., 
daily (summer); 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., daily.
       Season: Year-round except Christmas. Admission: Adult-$2.00; 
children (11 and under)-free with adult. 
Way It Was Museum 
       The museum displays the most complete collection of Comstock 
mining artifacts in the world plus rare photos, lithos
       and maps of the "Bonanza" period. Information: 847-0766 or 113 N. 
"C" St., P.O. Box 95, Virginia City 89440.
       Hours: 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round except 
Christmas. Admission: General-$2.00, children (11
       and under)-free with adult. 
Wild West Museum 
       Attractions include Western memorabilia; antique guns, animal 
mounts; Chinese, Indian, and John Wayne displays,
       outlaw photo gallery. Information: 847-0400 or 66 N. "C" St., 
Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
       daily. Season: Mar.-Nov. Admission: Donation. 



WADSWORTH Museums & Attractions

Numana Hatchery Visitors Center 
       Photo display of Pyramid Lake Paiute Indian Reservation featuring 
the land, the lake, the people, and the Fisheries
       Restoration Project. Tours of the Numana trout hatchery are 
available. Information: 574-0290; Fax 476-0558 or
       Highway 447, MM #8 (located 8 mi. N. of Wadsworth via Hwy. 447), 
Dead Ox 89510. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m.,
       daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: None. 



WASHOE VALLEY Museums & Attractions

Bowers Mansion 
       Built in 1864 for the first millionaires of the Comstock Lode, the 
mansion has been re-furnished with many original
       pieces. Information: 849-0201 or 4005 Hwy. 395, Washoe Valley 
89704. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m., daily. Season:
       May-Oct. Admission: Adults-$3.00, senior citizens-$2.00, 
children-$2.00. 
Old Washoe Stables 
       Guided horseback rides for all experience levels through forest 
areas with spectacular views of Washoe Valley.
       Information: 849-1020 or 1201 Hwy. 395, Washoe Valley, 89704. 
Hours: Call for information. Season: Year-round.
       Admission: $18/hour and up. 



WELLINGTON Museums & Attractions

Wellington Station Museum 
       Features Paiute Indian display, freight wagons, mining tools and 
hand-forged blacksmith tools housed in the original
       Wellington School House, built in 1898. Information: 465-2304 or 
P.O. Box 36, Wellington 89444. Hours: 10:00
       a.m.-4:00 p.m. by appointment. Season: May-Sept. Admission: None. 




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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) More Nevada Info
Date: 28 Oct 1997 10:43:53 -0800

Sorry All,

I forgot to mention this coin is 2 sided! And the description should read:

>3 - (H), [Design of a face, text says "The Face Upon The Floor"] "Wild West 
Museum" at top,
> "Virginia City, Nev." at bottom. (Unknown Machine)

The reverse side has a map of Nevada, an outline of Lake Tahoe, text that 
says "Lake Tahoe, and text that says "Virgina City, Nevada." This is a 
very cool coin (I would love a couple in coppers...)

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 14:05:32 -0800

Hi Everyone,

Here's the report from my friend in Boston on the Rockport machine:

>The penny is from rockport massachusetts, a small town on the northern
>mass coast near gloucester.  Its a tiny tourist oriented town that literally
>had a penny booth near the shops and chowder houses.

That's as much detail as I got. Hopefully someone is the Northeast can 
locate the machine, get us a more detailed location report and some 
traders...

bc



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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 13:53:58 -0800


Here's some more information,

I have the penny.  The shop burned down in a fire a long time ago.  I
bought the penny from an antique dealer in Maine.
This dealer told me that they rebuilt the building to match what it used
to look like.  I guess it was some sort of 
popular tourist spot.

I'll scan the penny in tomorrow (if I remember).

- Jeff
>



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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:31:45 -0500

Bert Creighton wrote:
> 
>
> That's as much detail as I got. Hopefully someone is the Northeast can
> locate the machine, get us a more detailed location report and some
> traders...

I'll put all my investigative resources on it.  (I'll go to Rockport and 
eat chowder 'til I find it.  Yum.)

Ben



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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) Technical Difficulties
Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:36:54 EST

Hello All,

	Due to Technical Difficulties I lost all messages sent to me
after 8:00 am California time so if you sent me an e-mail please send it
again. 

		
			Thanks Jim
E-Mail Address is: jimabbot@juno.com



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:49:21 -0800 (PST)



On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-26 10:41:09 EST, you write:
> 
> << Aahz --
>  
>  In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
>  
>  << 	I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach, 
>   but I can't find my record of it.  Can someone provide a description?
>  
>  It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
> Gator below it.  Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.
>    >>
> 
> 
> Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as vertical --
>  are we confused on some other coin?????   

	No, it's just me :)  Actually, according to the notes, I have in 
front of me now, you (Davelle) reported the v. while Kenny reported the 
h., so I just went dislexic.  But I'm still not sure about any of it.  I 
HATE BEING DISORGANIZED  AAARRRGGGHH!!!


		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (MST)

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 kjcottrell@juno.com wrote:

> >The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it 
> >was indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon 
> >Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.
> 
> Just asking, but does Eurolink make a quad machine?

	I've never seen a Eurolink quad, but many other machine
manufacturers make a quad.  And since someone else had the DL contract
before Eurolink came along, it's very possible someone had machines at WDW
before Eurolink.  (Which would also explain the report of someone getting
an EC on their first trip to WDW in 1991!)

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Penny scans
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:08:33 -0800


Hey everybody,

I'm in the process of scanning in my collection.  This effort is mainly
towards the Virtual Penny Museum (VPM)
that many of us have talked about for the last several months.
I'm sending these scans to Bert and Kathy (Penny Page).  If you would
like to see these scans, please send me e-mail.
I'll include you on the list.  Even though it's pennies, I imagine most
people wouldn't really like to see them.

So far, I've scanned in the following:

The old (no longer available) Museum of Science Boston, MA coins
Some painted coins from Disneyland and San Francisco my wife did.
The Rockport, MA penny
A couple of quarters from Six Flags, Valencia, CA
Old San Francisco penny
1904 St. Louis World's Fair
and others...

Let me know what you'd like to see.  Otherwise, you'll have to wait for
either the Penny Page update or the VPM.

- Jeff :)

Jeff Dixon		Software Engineer
Electronic Arts  		San Mateo, CA
"The Mystic Bodisafa helped me write this e-mail."






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:45:33 -0800 (PST)


On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:
> 
> << Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?
> 
> I got one - do you need information about it????
>  

	Yes, Please :)


			Aahz



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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Penny Set Auction
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:17:30 -0800 (PST)

Greetings & Salutations!

	Due to my current financial situation I find it necessary to 
auction off my rights to the WDW penny set that Big Al is currently 
aquiring for me.

	I say 'rights' because the sets still aren't done (as far as I 
know).  The sets will be mailed to Jeff Dixon when they are completed and 
I will simply have him forward my set to the winner of this auction.

	For those of you who are new to the list, this set consists of 
approximately 201 elongated pennies currently available at WDW.  Several 
of us from the list contracted with Big Al Ramsey to get these sets for 
us.  We paid, I believe $155 and supplied our own coins, so they'll all 
be on coppers.

	Bidding will start at $150 and bids will not be reduced.  PLEASE 
SEND BIDS VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL!!  I will send the updated high bid o the 
list (and any digest members who express an interest) each time I log-on 
(roughly every day or so).  The auction will run about a week or until I 
do not receive any more bids in a reasonable period (at least 24hrs).

		Peace,

			Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:21:53 -0800 (PST)

Greetings from lovely Palmdale!

	Well, I got a job today, but it won't start for a few weeks so it 
looks like I'm going to be without address for sometime to come.  
However, my brain finally functioned well enough to allow me to realize 
that I can get mail General Delivery.  

	So, if you have anything you're waiting to mail to me, including 
auction donations, you can mail them to:

Chris Aahz
c/o General Delivery
Palmdale, CA 93550

	The list auction should begin sometime next week (or as soon as I 
receive all of the donations that I know are coming).

	PLEASE let me know via private e-mail or voice mail 
(1-800-562-4301 ext. 5190) if you mail me something so I can be sure to 
keep checking at the post office until it shows up.

		Peace,

			Aahz






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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:23:40 -0800 (PST)


	Many apologies.  I wasn't very clear in my previous request for 
info on a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey quarter.  I'm currently looking for 
information on one that was NOT issued for either the 25th Anniversary 
celebration or one of the Disneyana conventions.

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) OFF-TOPIC: Beer Coasters
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:31:26 -0800 (PST)


	If memory serves, someone on the list collects paper beer 
coasters.  I came across the following organization while doing some 
research today and thought I'd pass on the info:

British Beer-Mat Collectors Society
30 Carters Orchard
Quedgeley
Gloucester GL2 6WB, England

John Feenan - Secretary

They're a collectors club that also publishes a monthly magazine called 
'Beermat'

		Peace,

			Aahz





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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Update on WDW coins
Date: 29 Oct 1997 17:57:04 -0800


Since Chris posted to the list about auctioning off his "rights," I'd
thought an update was in order.

I sent e-mail to Big Al today - asking him to tell me how many
pennies/set he has done so far.
I know we all are awaiting these pennies - and will try to get an ETA
back to the list in the next couple of days.

- Jeff :)


Jeff Dixon		Software Engineer
Electronic Arts  		San Mateo, CA
"The Mystic Bodisafa helped me write this e-mail."






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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 17:57:21 -0800

Congrats!  What are you going to do for a job?

- Jeff


>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Chris Aahz [SMTP:aahz@svpal.org]
>Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 1997 6:22 PM
>To:	Elongates Mail List
>Subject:	(elongates) Temporary address
>
>Greetings from lovely Palmdale!
>
>	Well, I got a job today, but it won't start for a few weeks so it 
>looks like I'm going to be without address for sometime to come.  
>However, my brain finally functioned well enough to allow me to realize 
>that I can get mail General Delivery.  
>
>	So, if you have anything you're waiting to mail to me, including 
>auction donations, you can mail them to:
>
>Chris Aahz
>c/o General Delivery
>Palmdale, CA 93550
>
>	The list auction should begin sometime next week (or as soon as I 
>receive all of the donations that I know are coming).
>
>	PLEASE let me know via private e-mail or voice mail 
>(1-800-562-4301 ext. 5190) if you mail me something so I can be sure to 
>keep checking at the post office until it shows up.
>
>		Peace,
>
>			Aahz
>
>
>
>



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This first chat room discussion will be:
Introductions to Using Chat
    and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
    -Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The Penny Page. Ask me how you can =
sponsor a chat.

If this goes well, we will have weekly chats with various topics. Please =
send me your topic ideas!

Q: How is this going to happen? Will I need special software?
A: Most everyone will already have the requirements. (See below). All =
you will need to do is go to the URL that will be announced later this =
week. There will also be a link to the chat page from The Penny Page.

*Requirements: Internet access, and a Java enabled browser like Internet =
Explorer 3.x or higher or Netscape 3.x or higher.

Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?
A: Get Internet Explorer at: www.microsoft.com/ie
    Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

Please email me with any other questions or comments! I'm very excited =
about this new feature....Stay tuned for more details.

The Penny Page....bringing new features on-line that everyone will be =
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:13:37 -0800 (PST)


On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Congrats!  What are you going to do for a job?

	I'll be doing sales and engraving at two different Things 
Remembered stores in the Antelope Valley Mall.  Woo Hoo!

		Aahz



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Introductions to Using Chat
    and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
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    Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

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Introductions to Using Chat
    and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
    -Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The Penny Page. Ask me how you can =
sponsor a chat.
=20
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=20
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A: Most everyone will already have the requirements. (See below). All =
you will need to do is go to the URL that will be announced later this =
week. There will also be a link to the chat page from The Penny Page.
=20
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Explorer 3.x or higher or Netscape 3.x or higher.

Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?
A: Get Internet Explorer at: www.microsoft.com/ie
    Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

Please email me with any other questions or comments! I'm very excited =
about this new feature....Stay tuned for more details.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Get Netscape at: <A=20
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size=3D2>Stay tuned=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Subject: (elongates) Memphis
Date: 28 Oct 1997 20:49:01 -0600

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if anyone knows of any coins in that area. Are there any at Graceland?
Any help would be appreciated.

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) music and ec's
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:31:15 -0000

Hello All,
I was going over some of this e-mail and I noticed this info on Zeke, Gomer
or Big Al playing an instrument.
I collect music related elongates and if anyone can get these coins or any
other music related ec's please let me know.
Gina zinful@prodigy.net

> >> 	The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name 
> >Zeke  or Gomer?

> v. FS Zeke (Disney describes it as Zeke) playing an instrument....I
> called it a bass, Disney calls it a banjo....well....it has a long handle
> like a bass, and stands on the ground like a bass, but the instrument
> part is small like a banjo....oops. "Country Bear Jamboree" is a part of
> the border. "Magic Kingdom"
> 
> v FS Big Al playing a guitar. "Coutnry Bear Jamboree" is a part of the
> border (rest of border are dots) "Magic Kingdom"
> 
> Kenny Cottrell



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
Date: 29 Oct 1997 22:41:17 -0500


On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:40 -0800 (PST) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
>	Many apologies.  I wasn't very clear in my previous request 
>for info on a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey quarter.  I'm currently looking

>for information on one that was NOT issued for either the 25th
Anniversary 
>celebration or one of the Disneyana conventions.

What information do you want...it is the same design as the pennies that
are available with Sorcer Mickey on them (available at a Resort or two at
WDW and available at Disneyland).

Kenny Cottrell



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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 22:38:03 -0500


On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (MST) Chris Aahz
<vmphntr@xmission.com> writes:

>	I've never seen a Eurolink quad, but many other machine
>manufacturers make a quad.  And since someone else had the DL contract
>before Eurolink came along, it's very possible someone had machines at 
>WDW before Eurolink.  (Which would also explain the report of someone 
>getting an EC on their first trip to WDW in 1991!)

Walt Disney World reports the first penny pressers on their property in
1995.

Kenny Cottrell



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 21:52:27 -0600

Does this mean we'll be seeing some Aahz Special Edition Elongated Engraved
Coins?

-Kathy

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>
>On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Congrats!  What are you going to do for a job?
>
> I'll be doing sales and engraving at two different Things
>Remembered stores in the Antelope Valley Mall.  Woo Hoo!
>
> Aahz
>




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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Maine Location
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:46:09 -0000

Hey Bert,
My roommate has some friends that went to Maine and they brought me back 7
different ec's from their trip.  I'm sure one was that Rockport, Maine
penny you mentioned.  I will check.  Unfortunately, since I don't even know
these friends and didn't know if they were actually going to get me coins. 
I don't have any info on locations and I sure they didn't even pay
attention.  They don't collect, but I understand they had a great time
getting these coins for me.  It became an obsession, a mission and they
ended up spending a whole day looking for machines!
Gina

> Here's a partial report for a penny machine in Maine. A friend (in 
> Boston) sent me a Rockport, Maine penny. It is a harbor scene, and at the

> top it says "Motif No. 1." The bottom says "Rockport, MA."
> Bert