From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 137 In This Digest: (exotica) Can't find Tiki Lites (exotica) Anne Sexton (exotica) 'Tis the season Re: (exotica) Peggy Lee (exotica) Stray Cats / Bill Haley similarity (exotica) Scairy Dances!! (exotica) Playlist from 2 years ago (exotica) Frankie Capp Re: (exotica) Frankie Capp (The Trip, Getaway, Moog Power) (exotica) Mr. Smooth Top 69--1998 Re: (exotica) Swingtime Re: (exotica) Swing to the right... Re: (exotica) Overflowing reissues Re: (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc (exotica) Simply because Urania me... Re: (exotica) Overflowing reissues (exotica) record stores in Amsterdam (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc Re: (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc (exotica) Chaino: African and Beyond (exotica) Exotica is the thing... (exotica) Oops Re: (exotica) Can't find Tiki Lites -Reply Re: (exotica) Tiki Lites / swing / etc Re: (exotica) Chaino: African and Beyond (exotica) Deejay Simpletons (exotica) Brian Setzer and sick punk rockers.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:09:33 +0000 From: Ron Grandia Subject: (exotica) Can't find Tiki Lites I broke my friggan' tiki lites putting them up after repainting the grotto (long story) I can't seem to find tiki lites anywhere. Anybody know where a fellah might find some? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:35:42 -0700 From: ccarlson@greennet.net (Craig Carlson) Subject: (exotica) Anne Sexton All, The poet Anne Sexton recorded a rock (?) album in 1969 called "Anne Sexton and Her Kind". Anyone have a copy they could tape for me? Thanks, Craig ccarlson@greennet.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:46:45 +0000 From: Ron Grandia Subject: (exotica) 'Tis the season A reminder to all you cats and kitties that I am fervently working on my christmas CD compilation. I'm still looking for contributions, suggestions, and any help you think you can lend. There are a few listees who have seen last year's oferring, and the response is invariably positive. At first glance, it looks like something commercially produced - it's real slick. The content is lots of fun... Babs Gonzales, Lenny Dee, Harry the Hipster, Leon Berry, Billy May and lots of other groovy tidbits. I really need help this year to top myself. This is the third year I've done a compilation, and it gets harder and harder. The last two found me SWEARING that I have done all the good stuff, but I always find AMAZING weird tracks that complete the collection. What is it about Christmas that lends itself to the WEIRDEST novelty music known to man? Every year I make a list (and believe me, I check twice) and send a copy to every good little boy and girl who took the time to contribute with lists of suggestions or record loans or whatever they think will be helpful. If you think you can help, please contact me. (I'm particularly interested in some Chanukah material...anyone?) This year I am also going to offer it for sale in limited quantities to hopefully help offset the rather substantial costs. (Anybody want to make a few bucks distributing?) I don't have any delusions of profit, and the price will likely be low if I can secure favorable printing terms and other key cost-factors. I am considering professional CD replicating as opposed to burning them at home. (I could use some guidance here, too.) There have been pledges of record loans or to digitize selections for me from some of you (you know who you are) and not everybody has followed through. If that's you, and you can still help please do. No questions asked. Thanks everybody! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:22 +0000 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Peggy Lee At 02:03 PM 6/29/98 -0700, Steve Sando wrote: >why hasn't Peggy Lee been made an icon in the Cocktail >Nation? Gee, I thought she was. Actually, I have most recently been thinking about this, too. I was noticing she did a duet with Dean Martin. Not that I don't think that Dean-o is hip, but he always seemed a bit too laid back. However, put him with Peggy Lee and the song sparkles. She seems to do that with a lot of songs. Also, she plugged into a lot of the exotica approaches we take for granted instrumentally but don't hear approached as much by well known vocalists (Latin ala Lee a prime example). While I really like Julie London, I have found that her material doesn't stretch into all the corners like Peggy Lee's seems to do. By the way, is Peggy Lee still with us? Byron /- / '\ / ___> ; ; ; _ ;__ / \ [ | /"- / () | ) <}-___/_/(_|/ \_(__/\/| (_______ ___< -_/ Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way visit my website: http://www.hubris.net/zolac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:11:46 -0400 From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) Stray Cats / Bill Haley similarity > Think back to any visual you have of Bill Haley and his Comets. Does > that instrumentation look like the Stray Cats? Nope, there's a steel > guitar and an accordion in that group. I'm straying from the topic a bit, but when I saw the Stray Cats perform live in the early 80's, I was amazed at the physical acts that Lee Rocker did as he played his string bass....lifting it up into the air, lying prone face forward as the bass lied on its side, and even holding and playing it like a guitar as he hopped on one leg across the stage. Later I saw a video of Bill Haley & the Comets and saw the same level of physical antics being done by their bass player....only they also included having the sax player sit in one of the bass's side indentations and wailing away while the bass player dragged him across the dance-floor. Both bands were very fun to watch. Sure, these acts have nothing to do with the quality of the sound, but they do help to get the crowd riled up so they are more likely to dance. It's amazing how often musicians are willing to use such antics to get a positive crowd rapport.....how many times have you seen a guitarist hold the guitar to his face and make believe he is playing it with his teeth (just like Hendrix) while his fingers are producing the real sounds on the guitar neck. Vern - ---------------------- Cannot Become Obsolete P.O. Box 1232 Lorton, VA 22199-1232 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:41:53 -0400 From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) Scairy Dances!! >> The Marcarena is alive and well, just as is the YMCA, The Hustle, The >> Twist, The Alley-Cat (Hully Gully), the Conga line, Hot-Hot Hot, >> The Party Train, even the Chicken Dance... >Now that (those) are really scary!!!!!! There are some things scarier!!! Here is a quick list of Dancing Scariness Levels, with Number 1 being NOT Scary and Number 9 being VERY SCARY!!! 1. A dance partner who knows all the moves, isn't snobby about it, and is willing to teach me the ones I don't know 2. A dance partner who enjoys music and dancing and doesn't care what others think of their sloppy dancing style 3. A dance partner who is nervous, but willing to be with you on the dancefloor. 4. A dance partner who is so introverted and self-concious that the only dances they will do are the 'safe' ones listed above where they doesn't stand out from any of the other dancers. 5. Someone who enjoys listening to music and watching people, but doesn't like to dance at all. 6. Someone who likes to listen to music, but only at home or in the car, where there isn't as much cigarette smoke and as many drunken people, and is completely unwilling to be join and be associated with those drunkards who are out on the dancefloor. 7. Someone who likes to listen to music, but only if it is quiet and peaceful and performed during a church service 8. Someone who listens to music, but only if its John Phillip Sousa March music or other patriotic songs being played very loud as they watch to make sure that everyone in the room has their hands over their hearts as they salute the flag. 9. Someone who doesn't enjoy music, period. I'm not sure which of these last two is the scariest. Vern - ------------------- Cannot Become Obsolete PO Box 1232 Lorton, VA 22199-1232 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:14:14 -0700 From: Jack Diamond Subject: (exotica) Playlist from 2 years ago KFJC play list 6/30/96 for Jack Diamond Sunday 10AM-1PM, since January 1993 http://www.kfjc.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM ETC. ______________________________________________________________________ Planets Chunky Hal Mckusick Qrt. Minor Seventh Heaven Sept 1955/RCA Lalo Schifrin The Chase Cool Hand Luke Riz Ortolani The Night Club Biggest Bundle Chico Rey and the Jet Band Stiletto Sid Ramin, SCAMP CD Dick Hyman Living on Borrowed Time Fabuolous,Command Jackie and Roy Walkin' MARCH,1957 Les Paul Sleep 66,67 Hal Blaine,Paul Beaver Emil Richards-Flashes 67 Bing Day Mama's Place Get BEAT Esquivel Begin the Beguines 58/RCA Jerry Goldsmith The Search Planet of the Original Soundtrack Apes Martin Denny Quiet Village Exotica ! Leo Diamond 3rd Man Theme Themes From Great City of Westminster Foreign Films String Band Split Level Jean Jacques Perrey Mr. James Bond Amazing New Electronic Pop Sounds of Chet Baker, Art Pepper, Richie The Route Pacific Jazz Kamuca 1956 Buddy Emmons Linus and Lucy Medley Steel Guitar Instro Shakespeare, John Orchestra Mucho Mexico SEVEN-0 [coll]: Easy Project Art Blakely W/ Benny Golson, Lee Morgan Bobby Timmons-Pno, Jymie Merritt-Bass Are You Real ? Blue Note Orig. Osibisa Superfly T.N.T. Lambert Hendricks and Ross Halloween Spooks Electric Flag M-23 The Trip Dick Hyman/Mary Mayo Desafinado Moon Gasssssssssssssss Harry Lubin Weird One Step Beyond Pete Rugolo Voodoo Man,Guilty Men Thriller Bob Thompson Orch There's a Small Hotel On the Rocks Walter Wanderly Summer Samba Andre' Poppppp Manchester Et Liverpool Al Caiola The Rat Patrol Theme Candido, Joe Puma, Mambo Inn(Abc Paramount) 1957 Dick Katz-Pno, Al Cohn W.Mitchell-Bass Kenyon Hopkins The Long Walk Shock!!!!!!!!!! Jack Burger Bongo Instruction Barney Kessel Carmen's Cool(She Sure Is) ;-)> 1958 Fortune Tellers Ahhhhh,Sweet Mystery of Life Jimmie Haskel Homeward Earth Mono, 1957/8 Ahbez, Eden The Wanderer Eden's Island Don Ralke Orch Rex's Theme Bourbon St Beat Speedy West West of Samoa Pierro Umiliani Beer Vermouth and Gin Sweden,Heaven & Hell Ray Martin Orchestra Whoooooooooodunnit???????????????????? Mancini The Cat(Lalo Schifrin) 67 Pete Rugolo Diamond on the Move KFJC 12345 El Monte Road, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:59:30 +0000 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Frankie Capp In preparation for this year's Mr. Smooth's Top 69, I started going through ALL my records. I discovered two records which are part of a series of at least 12 records featuring the Frankie Capp Percussion Group. The covers are boring, but the records are pretty good. Bob Florence and Bob Drasnin arranged, Dave Pell plays sax, Tom Tedesco plays guitar and of course, Frank Capp is one of the three percussionists. All were tributes to leading big bands: 2002: Harry James, 2003 Artie Shaw, 2004 Benny Goodman, 2005 Lawrence Welk, 2007 Duke Ellington, 2008 Glenn Miller, 2009 Perez Prado, 2010 Dorsey, 2011 Big Bands, 2012 Henry Mancini, 2013 Les Brown, 2014 Count Basie. I have 2013 and 2002 (Kimberly records, put out by Precisions Radiation Instruments of Los Angeles!). Have you heard any of these? I am especially interested in 2012. Anyway, if you can find cheap copies of these, I don't think you can lose. Byron /- / '\ / ___> ; ; ; _ ;__ / \ [ | /"- / () | ) <}-___/_/(_|/ \_(__/\/| (_______ ___< -_/ Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way visit my website: http://www.hubris.net/zolac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:27:26 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Frankie Capp (The Trip, Getaway, Moog Power) << In preparation for this year's Mr. Smooth's Top 69, I started going through ALL my records. I discovered two records which are part of a series of at least 12 records featuring the Frankie Capp Percussion Group. The covers are boring, but the records are pretty good....All were tributes to leading big bands:...2012 Henry Mancini...Have you heard any of these? I am especially interested in 2012. Anyway, if you can find cheap copies of these, I don't think you can lose.>> No you can't! I've got that Mancini one, full title PERCUSSION IN A TRIBUTE TO HENRY MANCINI on the Kimberly label. Mostly a Peter Gunn track list with Mr. Lucky thrown in for good measure. My LP shows the series numbers as 5 digits, 110**. This one is 11012, same last two digits. Great jazz LP is what it is, West Coast style. Ted Nash, Bud Shank, Stu Williamson, Harry Betts, Frank Rosolino, Larry Bunker and Emil Richards(!). Jack turned me on to this series and since the covers are bland, they seem to go unnoticed. My little soundtrack guide shows no listing for a score on record for THE GETAWAY. Electric Flag's THE TRIP is (or was) out on CD. You've been warned about MOOG POWER, aside from a couple of fantastic covers - Dizzy and MacArthur Park - the majority of this LP is made up of some pretty horrible vocal covers of late 60's top 40 hits, such as Touch Me and Traces. I punished Nate Miner with the former and never heard from him again! tee hee Gimme Gene Page's BLACULA as my re-ish wish - he's deadlier than Dracula. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:32:13 +0000 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Mr. Smooth Top 69--1998 For the second year, Mr. Smooth is going through his record collection to select his top 69 musicians. His collection is getting big enough that it is no simple matter to pick 69 (last year he had to use some less than good records to fill out the list!). So, here is a PRELIMINARY list from top to bottom of MORE than 69. These are all represented in his LPs only (no 45s, 78s or CDs). How would you prioritize this VERY rough list...would you add some, what would you subtract? Your ideas are very welcome! I'll let you know what the FINAL list is later this week, but for now, here is my first attempt: Juan Esquivel, Enoch Light, Terry Snyder, Ferrante & Teicher, Dick Schory, Bob Thompson, Perez Prado, Dick Hyman, Henry Mancini, Martin Denny, Bob Rosengarden/Phil Kraus, Arthur Lyman, Lenny Dee, Dean Elliot, Eartha Kitt, Edmundo Ros, Hal Mooney, Mike Simpson, Don Catelli, Bobby Darin, Henri Rene, Billy Mure, Peggy Lee, Ross Bagdasarian, Charles Magnante, Xavier Cugat, Julie London, Belmonte, The Three Suns, Si Zentner, Al Caiola, Ethel Smith, Les Baxter, Skip Martin, Leo Diamond, Buddy Merrill, Sir Julian Gould, Sid Bass, Leo Arnaud, Jack Marshall, Tito Puente, Joe Loco, Billy May, Walter Kime, Don Costa, The Frankie Capp Percussion Group, Berlingeri and his Percussive Harpsichord, The Bobby Havana Boys, Irving Joseph, Buddy Cole, Roger Ericson, Walter Wanderly, The Baha Marimba Band, Leo Addeo, David Carroll, Werner Muller, Mariano Merceron, Katie Lee, Manny Albam, Earl Grant, Hugo Montenegro, Artie Kane, Danny Guglielmi, Horst Jankowski, Buddy Morrow, Chuck Sagle, Eddy Manson, Maxwell Davis, Art Van Damme, Ronnie Aldrich, Merlin, Stanley Black, Jonathan and Darlene Edwards (Paul Weston and Jo Stafford!), Ray Martin, Larry Elgart, The Velvet Sounds, Andre Popp, Vic Schoen, Marjorie Meinert, Dick Kesner, Ted Heath, The Sauter-Finegan Orchestra, Marty Gold, Johnny Keating's Kombo, Eddie Cano, Eddie Osborn, The Percussion All Stars, The Percussion Pop All Stars, Sid Ramin, Russ Case, David Rose, Jerry Murad's Harmonicats, Roger King Mozian. That is 93...but I have to get it to 69. I was going to include Mel Henke fairly high up, but, alas, I don't have any of his records. Unless I can find him on a compilation (like I did Dean Elliot), he will have to be off the list. Maybe next year. More than half those names I had never heard of a year ago. It has been a wonderful mind-opening year. Now, who did I leave out? Your kind suggestions are appreciated. After I get my list pared down and in order, I then need to select an LP and a cut to represent each artist (of course, limited to Mr. Smooth's own collection). Your thoughts again would be welcome. Byron /- / '\ / ___> ; ; ; _ ;__ / \ [ | /"- / () | ) <}-___/_/(_|/ \_(__/\/| (_______ ___< -_/ Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way visit my website: http://www.hubris.net/zolac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:25:11 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingtime In a message dated 98-06-29 08:56:12 EDT, mighty65@pacbell.net writes: << >Hey Paul how many women do you know still doing the lambada, macarena or >hustle? Probably the same ammount who will be doing the lindy in a year or so. quite different phenomenon. first two you mentioned were instantly industry created gimmicks...while the swing thing has been gaining steam 'organically' and incrementally for years to be accurate. **These first two dances were not industry created gimmicks. There is no dance industry and the record industry does not go about creating dances, it merely jumped on what was at that point a craze. I remember on breakfast TV show reports a couple of years ago about hiow the macarena had been the rage in Spain and other parts of Europe for a while. as tosh once informed me, in the late 6T' Sears & Roebuck for one season had a slogan to the effect of "...there's a revolution going on at Sears". point? underground trends which develop of there own accord eventually are co-opted by the mainstream. **Agreed swing is barely near that point yet. much more left in it. **Aren't the top 2 or 3 swing bands in the country on major labels? - Sounds like co-opting already to me. also one must remember that there were swing clubs for the WWII generation that had been going quietly, almost since the swing generation 'started'. **Agreed but aren't these people WW2 vets who do this to recapture nostalgia and not the age of the average 20-something "scenester" who you' are likely to brush elbows with at a swing event. To use a previous example, you could say the lindy-hop never went out of style as "In The Mood" or some other big band classic is a staple of weddings so the old folks can dance (not to mention the Chicken Dance),and come to think about it we have the cruise indusrty for perpetuating on shipboards all over the seas the Electric Slide! on the sinatra list, which is mainly populated by 35-60 yr old males there was significant out pouring of interest in BBVD recently. dont get me wrong, personally i'm hardly ga-ga over swing, but it has *alot* going for it in term of popular appeal...and alot more 'upward' life in it as a trend before it levels off or gets co-opted in a way that will turn off the underground. **This is not really surprising as look at the upper end of very age group you point out - these are the folks of the original swing generation so of course there would be interest in new groups doing this. The movement is already co- opted, by the majors who have signed the "top" swing bands down to dance schools like Arthur Murray who are smacking their lips and rubbing their hands together in the number of 20 and 30 somethings taking "swing" dance lessons. However, the sorriest co-opting of the movement comes from within, by allowing all too many mediocre to awful new swing bands to form along with their trite attempts to write new jump blues anthems. Ashley >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:34:07 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Swing to the right... Combustible Edison and Friends of Dean Martinez have helped build up interest in exotica. If there were some more bands doing exotica it would help further it even more. >> I doubt it...the problem with the "exotica" music is that it requires both far more disciplined musicianship and in some cases even a far larger band to preform unlike with swing which is quite honestly a lot simpler in structure. While it is fine to have current bands performing this type of music the "exotica" movement (or whatever you want to call it) is more firmly based in the original records, unlike swing which has a much stronger base in current bands that perform. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:37:00 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Overflowing reissues In a message dated 98-06-29 13:49:42 EDT, Charles_Moseley%MCKINSEY- EXTERNAL@MCKINSEY.COM writes: << So why is 101 Strings Astro Sounds out? >> As the guy who reissued the CD, if you have to ask you either haven't heard it, or you just don't get it. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc In a message dated 98-06-29 16:52:17 EDT, DJJimmyBee@aol.com writes: << Actually Ashley some trends never say die. As a mobile DJ I can attest to the fact that if I DON'T play the marcarena, my clients' guests often treat me like I'm a hopeless simpleton because I haven't played it ...The Marcarena is alive and well, just as is the YMCA, The Hustle, The Twist, The Alley-Cat (Hully Gully), the Conga line, Hot-Hot Hot, The Party Train, even the Chicken Dance....The worst part is, I gotta smile while I play them as if I'm having a good time hearing each for the 500 drillionth time >> That's what free booze will do to ya...it can make you drop your inhibitions and display your bad taste...maybe scenes like you describe should be videotaped and shown at Alhcoholics Anonymous meetings and I'm sure you'd see great cures instantly! Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:12:29 -0400 From: "Brian Phillips" Subject: (exotica) Simply because Urania me... I cannot recall whether I asked this to the list or not. I have a Ferrante & Teicher LP called Rhapsodies (I am away from the record, so that may or may not be correct). It is on the Urania label. What little I have found out about the label is that it was active in the 50's and that they were sued by pianist Walter Gieseking for releasing Bootleg recordings of him. My question to all of you is: what do I have? 1. An early recording for one of their first labels? 2. A bootleg compilation? 3. The sun in the morning and the moon at night? 4. Sorry. Brian "Blue about Rhapsodies" Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:30:42 +0100 From: "Charles Moseley" Subject: Re: (exotica) Overflowing reissues Charles Moseley@MCKINSEY-EXTERNAL 06/30/98 10:30 AM To: exotica@xmission.com@internet cc: Subject: Re: (exotica) Overflowing reissues >>As the guy who reissued the CD, if you have to ask you either haven't heard it, or you just don't get it. Ashley<< When I wondered alound why the 101 Strings Astro Sounds LP has been rereleased, I didn't mean that it was shit. I know its a good LP and I do 'get it'. My point is that this is such an obscurity (especially here in the UK) and not immediately likable - nor does it exude instant popular appeal. In fact, how many people are desperate to find this LP? I would guess hardly any. Even once most people have heard it, they're not going to leap from their seats shouting 'Oh my god, I must go out and find 101 strings or my life will not be complete'. As a choice for reissuing, I think this is bizarre. A lost classic? No. A rare gem? No. A record of such brilliance that it must now see the light of day? No. A record that will quickly generate appeal amongst the masses? No. A crap easy listening record with a wierd electronic edge that appeals to a minority of fans who have elevated its status to slightly above the rest of the dross that we discuss? Yes. Will it make any money? Not much So why reissue it? Don't flame me, I'm not interested. And don't start going on all over the place about why we're all on this list and the records we discuss. I know. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:00:33 +0000 From: des@anubis23.demon.co.uk (Desmond K. Hill) Subject: (exotica) record stores in Amsterdam A friend of is heading over to Amsterdam, & has asked me to enquire from the list if anyone can commend any record stores or warehouses in Amsterdam that deal in old exotica-style LPs? Please e-mail me your advice direct (i.e. off-list). Thanks. All suggestions eagerly awaited... :) d e s # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 10:23:35 CDT From: "VIC RUGH" Subject: (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc DJJimmyB wrote: "The worst part is, I gotta smile while I play them as if I'm having a good time hearing each for the 500 drillionth time... " Reminded me of a paragraph in a book called "Nice Work If You Can Get It" by Michael Feinstein (mostly about the Gershwins): Page Cavanaugh, a fellow piano-bar player, on songs he'd rather die than play one more time, along with the prices he'd charge for each: "Send in the Clowns," five thousand dollars; "The Impossible Dream," $8,000; "My Way," ten thousand bucks; "I Left My Heart in San Francisco," twelve thousand; "New York, New York," $25,000. Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber -- anything at all -- is a whopping $50,000. And "Feelings" isn't on his list -- because he doesn't even want to hear the word. And I'm with him all the way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:17:52 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) marcarena, trends, etc I wish you didn't feel that way ;-! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:07:23 -0400 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Chaino: African and Beyond Is this a good CD? How would you describe Chaino's sound? I'm thinking predominant percussion? - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:19:54 -1000 From: Lloyd Kandell Subject: (exotica) Exotica is the thing... In response to Ashley's astute response below... it's true that exotica requires a larger band to create the sound live. We just played a swank event at Diamond Head with our core of seven players (drums, percussion, bass/vocals, flute, vibes, 2 keyboards). People were swinging 'n swaying in a more sensual way than say to a new swing band. Of course, we prefer the full floor show with an extra vocalist, sax (Jerry Martini of Sly Stone's original band joined in 2nd set!), and hollywood/hawaii dancing hula maidens... about 13 on stage total! Quite an expense when it comes to touring. We do however, plan on touring east + west coasts this fall. Will post details here when things start to gel. BTW... check out cmj.com this thursday for a feature on us w/RealAudio samples. alohadercci, Fluid Floyd/Don Tiki LTepedino@aol.com wrote: > > > Combustible Edison and Friends of Dean Martinez have helped build > up interest in exotica. If there were some more bands doing exotica > it would help further it even more. >> > > I doubt it...the problem with the "exotica" music is that it requires both far > more disciplined musicianship and in some cases even a far larger band to > preform unlike with swing which is quite honestly a lot simpler in structure. > While it is fine to have current bands performing this type of music the > "exotica" movement (or whatever you want to call it) is more firmly based in > the original records, unlike swing which has a much stronger base in current > bands that perform. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:42:06 PDT From: "Ben Waugh" Subject: (exotica) Oops Apologies for the resend. Very bad form. I was trying to delete it from my trash can, you see.... You know who you are ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:01:38 +0000 From: Ron Grandia Subject: Re: (exotica) Can't find Tiki Lites -Reply Nathan Miner wrote: > > Archie McPhee - ya mean those patio lights? I'm posting this publicly to reply to other similar suggestions, and so folks don't think I'm being lazy. I tried Archie McPhee first. I received a message back from them that the company that supplied their Easter Island Maori-looking tiki lamps went out of business. They have been looking for a replacement, because the items were popular, and they sell buttloads of the things in the summertime. Search-engines were no help either. Baby Doe@creative.net (you all know Baby Doe, right?) Said the same thing. Dig her site and check her tiki section at http://www.creative.net/~babydoe/ There are other hanging tiki lites that look like they were cast from a tiki mug - they are apparently pretty scarce too, since no party-supply houses (wholesale OR retail) seem to have 'em. Thank you to everyone that has taken the time to try to point me in the right direction. As a side-note, I contacted local plastics manufacturers about MAKING some of these items. If what I'm hearing is true, there is demand, but no supply. You should have heard me trying to describe what a tiki is to these guys. They thought I was NUTS! One kind gentleman knew instantly what i was up to, and thought it was a neat idea. He spent 20 minutes with me on the phone giving me advice on how to go about it even though he did not have the the apparatus necessary for tiki-light manufacture. (Just so you know, the process is "blow-molding.") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:23:39 -0700 From: jasmine j jopling Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki Lites / swing / etc > Easter Island >Maori-looking tiki lamps went out of business. They have been >looking for a replacement, because the items were popular, and >they sell buttloads of the things in the summertime. Tiki lights, swing dancing, two-toned shoes, vintage furniture etc... As I see all of the above mentioned things get more and more popular with a more, erm, mainstream crowd, I'm left trying to find something that I can love that won't be the object of the latest MTV special. But it gets harder, cos, goshdarnit, we're running out of retro. (see http://www.theonion.com/onion3214/usretro.html the onion archives for a great essay on this!!). Here in SF, there's an Andrews Sisters night coming up, you can buy all manner of tiki torches, mugs and other goodies at Urban Outfitters and swing dance lessons, which used to cost $5 (and included the band afterwards, so you could practice) are now packed to the door... What's next? It's so hard to take pride in the things I've collected when you can buy modern versions of them at every cornershop. But I'm whining. In a way, I'm lucky to have places to go that play music I like. Anyway, retro fads are cyclical, right? Hopefully the general public will move on to buying new acid washed jeans and Dokken t-shirts... tootles, jasmine - - -- -- -- -- -- - Looking for Indiepop / Exotica / Space Bachelor shows, releases and news? Check out the Bay Area's (and beyond) weekly source: http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/music/poptart # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:11:38 EDT From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Chaino: African and Beyond << Is this a good CD? How would you describe Chaino's sound? >> Hell yes, it's a good CD. Lighting fast drumming and bongos with CHA-EE-NO, the percussion genius of Africa. Pounding, exotic, jungle rhythms with grunting, raw, primitive, breathy moans and groans. There are some tracks where this could easily pass for the sound of bondage, pain and S E X ! ! I love it. You will too. The 70 minute, 28 track disc is broken into 3 parts, Exoticana, Rock 'N Rollana and Africana. Taken from 6 LP's which you will probably NEVER see on labels such as Omega, Dot, Verve and Tampa with thumbnail photos of the covers in the liners. A steal at $11.99. Thank you Kirby Allan and Lee Joseph. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:20:54 EDT From: Subject: (exotica) Deejay Simpletons In a message dated 98-06-29 16:52:17 EDT, you write: << The worst part is, I gotta smile while I play them as if I'm having a good time hearing each for the 500 drillionth time...But this is why you hear mobile DJ's all play the same things; dance-floor rituals like the YMCA are part of the culture.>> THATS why. Man, I just thought they were all out of it. At my wedding (this was in 1989) I had one song left to play before the DJ was pulling out and I was deciding between "In the Navy" by the Village People and and some song about having big tits by the Bollock Bros (sorry, I can't remember the name of it) I decided to go with the "I Like Big Tits" song. Man, it just floored all the old ladies at the wedding and I had a blast flooring them. << But there really is nothing quite like watching 3 generations of family dance to a song sung by gay stereotypes about a place they can go for anonymous sex!>> This is classic! I got to quote you sometime somewhere on this one! LOL, Michele # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:20:39 EDT From: Subject: (exotica) Brian Setzer and sick punk rockers.... In a message dated 98-06-29 10:47:22 EDT, hibarger@aware.com writes: << ...it is not something you can easily learn in one 45 minute lesson. Especially Lindy...therefore it should not be lumped in with dances like the Macarena or simple line dancing or whatever... Folks that are into swing dancing have to make a considerable investment in time learning how to do it and therefore will be less likely to spend the months learning how to swing dance to only end up dancing for a couple of months.>> Exactly!!! That's why it isn't going to really become a big mainstream scene - too much of an investment for people. <<..bands like Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Brian Setzer Orchestra are the flagships for helping to build the scene.....> Man, I saw the Brian Setzer Orchestra several years ago and thought they were totally hoaky - a bunch of old timer musicians that had no "cool" sensibilities to them whatsoever, altho they could play horns, etc. that today's kids don't bother to learn. (so perhaps Brian wanted a big band and had to resort to old-time musicians to make it happen, I guess I shouldn't fault him for that, but the music wasn't all that cool) Then I notice his new album cover's got some tiki mugs on it. What's that about? Is he gone lounge now? What's up with that? <> I certainly agree here. I think you will find a lot of punks that are into exotica are may agree that at least partly their reasons for being into exotica/lounge is escapism from an all-too serious music scene (and also boredom with the same one-two-three harsh sound of punk). - - Michele # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #137 *****************************