From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #466 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Saturday, July 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 466 In This Digest: (exotica) Re: Perez Prado (and the Mysterians...?)y otros Lations groovy! Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 (exotica) More on Burt at Coney Island (exotica) Pop Romantique, French Pop Classics Re: (exotica) More on Burt at Coney Island (exotica) Neeefty CD's RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) (exotica) Re: Hong Kong (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #465 Re: (exotica) Re: Hong Kong (exotica) Re: Burt Bacharach live Re: (exotica) Josie and the Pussycats Re: (exotica) not dimitri?! (exotica) Holy Cow! Re: (exotica) Holy Cow! Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 Re: (exotica) not dimitri?! Re: (exotica) Re: Hong Kong RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here (exotica) Burt and Rod Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 Re: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #465 (exotica) Radio Free Kansas upgrades to G2 Re: (exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated (exotica) Record Cover books (exotica) Re: "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556) (exotica) Lydia Kavina: Music From The Ether ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:43:51 -0400 From: Subject: (exotica) Re: Perez Prado (and the Mysterians...?)y otros Lations groovy! jane says: >What >makes this one so special is it's a weird mixture of the typical Prado-with >VERY garage-y Farfisa organ and rock rhythms! Weird! One side has all >these Latin-garage numbers, and the second is much like his longer exotica >suite. The second half is, as you described, well, his exotic "bongo concert," from whence the album title comes; but that ? & The Mysterians thing going on in those other tracks is the clincher. There are some tracks in this "garage-y" vein on that "2 en Uno" disc, including the aforementioned "Over the Rainbow," which just *rocks*.? & the Mysterians are actually Hispanic guys -- after hearing CONCEIERTOPARA BONGOS, I then recognized Latin elements in *their* material and was wondering if they were influenced in any way by Prado... back to jane: >>>This brings to mind an obscure(well, not by 6ts Latin music standards) artist, who was also on UA among other labels, Rafael. Anyone here hip to Rafael? This guy looked a bit like Davey Jones and sings with a HUGE voice...and did great Spanish language versions of songs like "Love is Blue"...he even makes "Hava Negela"(I know I just spelled that wrong, I do apologise to the Jewish on this list!) into a bouncy Latin pop-rocker..and...I hear the gasp of Nat Kone coming on...some of his stuff sounds like A SPANISH SCOTT WALKER! No, I am not delusional...but I wonder if anybody will back me up on the groovy Rafael? Juanita Fondolia - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 Chuck writes: >What I really am enjoying is the modern soft pop music that started in England in the >early 1980s with bands like the Smiths always entertained to hear a mention of my former obsession on this list. I can see what you mean, although I think lots of their stuff is too rocky to qualify. But the 'strangeways' album, and songs like 'the hand that rocks the cradle', 'please please please'... - yes, it's interesting to think of them in this light. please excuse my smiths indulgence this time. I won't do it again. regds, Jonny PS I'm listening to Julie London singing 'If I should lose you'. Did Piero Umiliani rip off this tune for 'sweden heaven or hell', or what! PPS Burt live in Coney Island last night: - he was great, the music was great, but the 90's 'soulful' singers were not - they ruined it for me... - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) More on Burt at Coney Island Burt was playing in a Marquee in a park. The crowd seemed to be mostly older people sat in deck chairs, which made a change. I didn't have such a great view of the stage. Burt played piano, but as far as I noticed, he didn't sing. The orchestral backing was pretty good, but the singers were (IMHO) appalling. My favorite Bacharach material is the solo orchestral stuff he recorded for A&M in the late 60s and early 70s. The vocals on this stuff are sparse, with that cool detached sound you find on a lot of polydor stuff from the 70s. So the vocals as they were didn't appeal to me - nasty and pseudo-soulful - rather like these Boyzone-type bands (my sister likes them!). The material he played was pretty much his classic stuff, although he played things like 'walk on by', 'trains and boats and planes', 'one less bell to answer' etc in medley form, which was a bit odd. The crowd seemed quite happy, and it was actually nice to see such a wide cross-section of people singing along and loving it. I would have loved to hear stuff like 'pacific coast highway' and 'south american getaway', but I guess it wasn't to be. I left before the end; I presume he did some of the elvis costello stuff later on. I'm sure other people who went will have had different experiences, but this was mine... regards, Jonny - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Pop Romantique, French Pop Classics "Pop Romantique, French Pop Classics" on Emperor Norton (EMN7011) 1999. Modern French soft pop with liner notes written by our own Elisabeth Vincentelli. This compilation has songs written by Serge Gainsbourg, Francoise Hardy, and others performed by modern bands including Sukia, Apples In Stereo(written by Scneider/mcduff in French!!), Heavenly ( also on the Siesta Label I think) John Wesley Harding, Ivy, Luna. This compilation is a cool idea whose time has come. Mix one part great French songs with equal parts of interesting modern pop artists. Well done and a good connection between the soft pop past and present. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Leveridge Subject: Re: (exotica) More on Burt at Coney Island On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 delicado@cheerful.com wrote: > > Burt was playing in a Marquee in a park. The crowd seemed to be > mostly older people sat in deck chairs, which made a change. I > didn't have such a great view of the stage. Burt played piano, > but as far as I noticed, he didn't sing. The orchestral backing > was pretty good, but the singers were (IMHO) appalling. I had a distinctly different experience. I love Bacharach's pop stuff from the '60s and early '70s, and that's mostly what he played. I'm a huge fan of the 3-disc boxed set, THE LOOK OF LOVE, for example - in fact, I attended last night's show with Alec Cumming, who served as associate producer for THE LOOK OF LOVE and wrote the liner notes for it as well. And he too thought it a terrific show. We were fifth row, center, and I can attest that Burt looks great. He sang two or three songs in his usual croak. The exception to that rule was "Alfie," which he actually managed quite nicely. I was pleasantly surprised - even relieved - that his singers sang the songs relatively straight with no more than a touch of histrionic R&B singing; they stayed pretty faithful to the original spirit of the material. I'm not crazy about medleys, either, but really, what else can he do? He couldn't begin to fit full renditions of all the songs people expect from him into a 1.5 hour set; he's had far too many hits. I thought the medleys were relatively satisfying. He did only one of the songs he wrote with Elvis C. - I Still Have That Other Girl. The horns were live, the strings were canned, but all the musicians were fine. All in all, it was a lovely evening - a cool breeze, a clear sky, and beautiful, smooth, elegant, sophisticated music. I can't imagine having left early; I'd have stayed another two hours if Burt had kept playing. And I rode the Cyclone when the show was over - a perfect night! Brett ************************************** Watch for Brett Leveridge's new book, "Men My Mother Dated, and Other Mostly True Tales," coming in the spring of 2000 from Villard Books. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:35:23 -0700 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: (exotica) Neeefty CD's Got two super-cool diskies recently: First, Laurent Lombard, "Happy Land" (Kosinus 58) Very JJ = Perrey-flavored production music with 99 tracks! the first 33 are = complete songs, and the rest are :06 to :12 second variations of each = tune, So each song has two accompanying sub-tracks that will make KILLER = bumpers for you radio-programmers out there. The second, "Sounds for Little Ones" (on Dish recordings)was initially a = disappointment it's a compilation of field-recorded kiddie-rides (the = kind in front of every supermarket in the world) Ice-cream trucks and = sounds from Children's Fairyland in Oakland, CA. It's pretty sloppily = recorded, and I can do without the kiddy-rides, but the ice-cream truck = recordings, including track #2 "And the Band Played on" ia tune that has = haunted me from my youth. The Children's fairyland recordings are pretty = strange, too. It sounds like one of those shitty little amusement parks = that's nothing more than sick pine-trees, some fiberglass statues of = dragons that would be more aptly suited for a miniature-golf course, and = Zoo-Train with a toothless pedophile conductor. (Yes, one CAN hear all = this in the recording, that's what's so great about it.) There are some = neat moments, like when the whining and gurgling of the piped-in music = is interrupted with "CLICK! Adam, Please report to the = Pumpkin!......(rattle) ......CLICK! Both available from jackdiamond.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:11:15 -0500 From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Mimi wrote: > Ben wrote about Hal Willner's mix ..the music of: > >> Kurt Weill (can't find the record for the title) > > > >It's called "Lost in the Stars." Zorn, Waits, Reed, among others. But > >doesn't St-ng sing "Mack the Knife" on it or something? > > AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE! I'd erased that bad memory -- completely > obliterated it! > Am pretty sure Waits growls September Song, and Stan Ridgeway (???Wall of > Voodoo??? name right?) has a merry jog through Whiskey Bar. I think Richard Butler (Psychedelic Furs) did "Whiskey Bar"... or maybe I'm just crazy from the heat. - -Indy Rutks (rutks002@tc.umn.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:39:04 +0100 From: Robbie Baldock Subject: Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Mimi Mayer wrote: > Thanks, Michael! Do you know (or does anyone know), is there a > CD reissue of the RCA-Victor lp "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556)? I'm loco > for this record but my copy got mauled before I scooped it naked > outta the thrift bin. Yes there is - I have a copy. I think it's mid-price: my copy was certainly very cheap. It has about 5 bonus tracks. If you have trouble getting one at such places as http://www.gemm.com/ let me know and I'll see if I can still get one here in Edinburgh. Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:53:43 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) > > Am pretty sure Waits growls September Song, and Stan Ridgeway (???Wall of > > Voodoo??? name right?) has a merry jog through Whiskey Bar. > >I think Richard Butler (Psychedelic Furs) did "Whiskey Bar"... or maybe I'm >just crazy from the heat. From the All Music Site, Stan (short for Stannard!) Ridgway and the Fowler Brothers did "Cannon Song" and Whisky Bar (Alabama Song) was indeed done by Richard Butler and Ralph Schukett. Site does not state whether Indy is crazy from heat. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:53:45 -0500 From: King Kini Subject: (exotica) Re: Hong Kong i like this record alot. nothing special, but nice. P.S. Lionel Newman is Randy Newman's uncle. - kk >Anyone have any thought, opinos on; >Music from "Hong Kong", Lionel Newman . > >Just bought it. Still getting to know it. > visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: George Hall Subject: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #465 > There's a complete Sun Ra CD on which he plays only music from Disney > films. Tell me more!! > >It's called "Lost in the Stars." Zorn, Waits, Reed, among others. But > >doesn't St-ng sing "Mack the Knife" on it or something? > > AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE! I'd erased that bad memory -- completely obliterated it! > Am pretty sure Waits growls September Song, and Stan Ridgeway (???Wall of > Voodoo??? name right?) has a merry jog through Whiskey Bar. Nope, that's Lou on Sept Song...but weill we're on the subject, seek out Ute Lemperer's Alabama Song (Whiskey Bar) (I think it's either EMI Classics or Angel) for a truly perverse rendering ("show me za vay to ze next lee-tel boy...") Furthermore, despite an extreme aversion to Sting, in all fairness I thought his Mack the Knife was actually pretty good -hardly a travesty on the order of...oh, say Bobby Darin's version (hey, nothing wrong with a little travesty) & back on the Willner tip, my vote for his best goes to "Amarcord Nino Rota," as far as I know, the grand-daddy of the tribute disc. All from the Fellini films, performed by Carla Bley, Blondie, david Amram, etc all extremely melodic, evocative & favoring interpretation over deconstruction. back to lurkin'... gh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:26:40 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Hong Kong At 05:53 PM 7/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >exotica@xmission.com P.S. Lionel Newman is Randy Newman's uncle. ...who is also related to Alfred Newman, composer of many great soundtracks! According to Carol Kaye, session bassist (that's her on the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations), she remembers Lionel Newman for his strange count-offs to the musicians: "And one and two and watch that bit at the third bar that's in a different meter..." Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:44:51 -0700 From: "B. Yost" Subject: (exotica) Re: Burt Bacharach live I think it was Elisabeth that was mentioning a day or two ago going to see Burt perform live somewhere in Brooklyn or Coney Island is something like that. If it's happened, I'm curious what it was like. Please say there were other vocalists!! :) I myself will be going to see him Saturday night on an Ohio River floating casino boat of all places. It's about an hour up-river from where I live, near Louisville. If that's not "lounge," what is? I'm hoping to get to say hello to him. The friends I'm going with have had him as a house guest on a few occasions when he has been in town for the Kentucky Derby, so they should have access to him personally. - -- Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:10:04 EDT From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Josie and the Pussycats Josie has been reissued on a CD boot which shows up fairly regularly on Ebay. Worth owning as it includes all of the cereal box only singles. - --David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:40:13 EDT From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) not dimitri?! In a message dated 7/30/99 11:08:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk writes: > I have a friend with a 45 minute tape of demos from cheap keyboards, I'm > sure he'll do copies.............. That's great. I may have to wait for the CD to be released, although this has gotten my interest up. > ..., but as an ex raver and > techno-artiste I loved the original description, especially the Olympic > class frotterism. Thanks for tolerating my silly approach. I'm personally doing everything I can to get frotterism recognized worldwide as an Olympic sport. Right now in the U.S. there are countless amateurs practicing night and day, me among them. It could be a summer or a winter sport, in fact winter might be even more interesting. I beg you all to please support your local competitive frotter and maybe we can make our Olympic dreams a reality. Thank You # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:01:35 PDT From: "Amanda Cavataio" Subject: (exotica) Holy Cow! So I posted my question about Dimitri From Paris on Tuesday. It's now Friday, and this is the first time I've checked the list since. You crazy kids!! I now feel like I'm truly part of the list, starting all this controversy! You know, I think I may just buy the cd, but I'll bargain shop. I picked up so many differing opinions that my curiosity is definitely peaked. I suppose I can lay Dimitri to rest in Exotica List land for now. I will definitely hold another forum when my next music inquiry comes up! :) Amanda ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:24:45 EDT From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Holy Cow! << You know, I think I may just buy the cd, but I'll bargain shop. >> Want mine? I've had it at least a couple of years now, if that is a clue as to which release it is. Disc and insert like new, six bucks includes postage (unless shipped internationally). Also have another Yellow release I'm cuttin' loose, "La Yellow 357", which also features Dimitri along with The Mighty Bop, Fresh Lab, DJ Cam. Same condition and price. if Amanda passes, whoever wants it / them lemme know. Hey! gimme a hit off that peace pipe, would ya, Jill ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:43:48 -0500 From: "Elisabeth Vincentelli" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 I had the privilege of interviewing Simon Fisher Turner, aka The King of Luxembourg, for a piece on him for The Village Voice a couple of years ago. He's incredibly nice and very funny, and his stories about being a child TV star in the early 70s are amazing. I think he was Adam Ant's chauffeur for a short while. He's done soundtracks for Derek Jarman movies and more recently for Croupier, the latest by Mike Hodges (of Get Carter's fame!). He also plays with the Hangovers, the new band from Gina Birch of the Raincoats. Obviously the man never sleeps. Elisabeth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:56:08 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) not dimitri?! In a message dated 7/30/99 7:42:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Thinkmatic@aol.com writes: << especially the Olympic > class frotterism. >> Sheez, do you guys have your dictionarys out????? So now I know what it is called! Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:07:48 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Hong Kong In a message dated 7/30/99 4:25:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hagar@mindspring.net writes: << who is also related to Alfred Newman, composer of many great soundtracks >> and " N E W M A N!!!!!" on Seinfleld???????" tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:19:25 -0700 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mimi Mayer > Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 11:49 AM > But > >doesn't St-ng sing "Mack the Knife" on it or something? > > AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE! I'd erased that bad memory -- completely > obliterated it! Didn't mean to spoil your weekend, sorry. =) For the record, I really did like him when he was still a snotty young punk in probably the best power-pop trio ever. I think that oh-so-clever reference to "Lolita" did him in, though... Later, Ben np: gak, "gak" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:49:00 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here At 05:18 PM 7/30/99 +0200, Moritz R wrote: >. To me Exotica was more a holy thing. And >that's why I have to protect Martin Denny here, because especially Martin >Denny, and especially his first 10 albums, is not cheesy at all. Call me a >romantic, but many of his early titles are sheer beauty and wild power. I can >see nothing cheep or "made up" or false in it. If exotica is holy to you, perhaps we shouldn't even try to discuss this topic. And I'm a bit unclear what you mean by "made up". But I'm going to assume that music that ISN'T made up would be music created as a true reflection of a musician's culture, background, surroundings and influences. By that definition Mr.Denny's music and most exotica would be inherently made up. Another word for that might be "contrived". In general these musicians were responding to a perceived commercial demand for music with an exotic, foreign, mysterious and quasi-Hawaiian feel. They weren't putting bird calls in their music in order to reflect the sound of the wild birds they heard every night growing up in Brooklyn or wherever they were from. That's what I would call contrived. But for me, contrived and cheap are not synonymous. You can contrive with inspiration and with ingenuity and with passion or you can contrive cheaply. To me exotica is a contrivance but in many cases, not a cheap one. And as far as the whole "lounge" question goes, I don't own a fez or a tiki mug and though I own a suit from that period, I wear it to funerals not bars. Having said that, a lot of my appreciation for this kind of music is connected to a "bachelor pad/lounge" ideal which was there in the fringe of my consciousness when I grew up When I listen to that kind of music - which is almost exclusively what I listen to lately - I always feel some kind of connection to that imagery, to that aesthetic. It's not that I imagine I'm in a lounge somewhere in the late fifties but somehow the idea of a place like that is always lurking in my listening process. Some people choose to express that connection externally, through clothing or furniture. I don't generally express myself that way but I don't assume that the poeple who do are all that different than me in their appreciation of the music It's true that some people are more into the fashion than the music but even those people are still responding to the music. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:10:34 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Burt and Rod Right now I'm listening to a lovely double LP in which the piano trio of Ellis Larkins plays the music of Burt Bacharach and... Rod McKuen. Alternates from one to the other. I avoid piano trios and I might have avoided this one if I'd known. But it was sealed. Anyway, I'm glad I didn't avoid it. It's on Stanyan Records, Rod's label and is also produced by Rod. I have records with exclusively Bacharach covers. Then there are ones that alternate between the Beatles and Bacharach. And then there's that one - Ted Heath? - which is Bacharach, the Beatles and Bach. Just thought someone would want to know that Rod got in on the act. With nice results actually. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:13:18 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Nat Kone wrote: > If exotica is holy to you, perhaps we shouldn't even try to discuss this topic. I meant holy, not dogmatic or fundamentalist. > And I'm a bit unclear what you mean by "made up". Perhaps I misunderstand "cheesy". I can't find it in my dictionary. I think it means something like cheap, fake or so, no? Kitsch.... > But I'm going to assume that music that ISN'T made up would be music created as > a true reflection of a musician's culture, background, surroundings and > influences. By that definition Mr.Denny's music and most exotica would be > inherently made up. You think so? I don't. It's jazz, a music that Denny played with the same right as any other white American at that time and it has exotic "Hawaiian" influences, according to the place where he chose to live. Of course his music marks a step in the history of what would later be called "world music". Since there were records, musicians would be influenced by music from all over the world. But the word "cheesy" tells me a different story: Like performing a cheap copy of a music that was entirely invented by others, to cut off a piece of the commercial cake. And you can't say that of Martin Denny. He baked the cake. > Another word for that might be "contrived". That hits it much better. Sounds more like inventive than cheesy... I can easily agree on that term; if it really means what my dictionary tells me... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:32:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 At 11:27 30/07/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >On el records, compiled by Mike Alway comes the new compilation "Sunshine Pop 99" What else is on this? >The highlight is the "We Can Fly" remake by loveletter. This is also on the Siesta "Songs for the Jet SetVol. 2" And it IS great. Though the Cowsills original is really a classic. Jill "mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:00:48 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #465 > Furthermore, despite an extreme aversion to Sting, in all fairness I >thought his Mack the Knife was actually pretty good -hardly a travesty on >the order of...oh, say Bobby Darin's version (hey, nothing wrong with a >little travesty) Whenever folks got upset with the morality of popular music, I usually pointed out this song. Darin's version is based on a previous Louis Armstrong (and Ella Fitzgerald?) version, so I have read. In both versions, Lotte Lenya's name ends up in the list of victims, which is, of course the actress that was married to Weill. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:33:01 -0500 From: Steve Taaffe Subject: (exotica) Radio Free Kansas upgrades to G2 Well my friends we made the upgrade to G2 tonight. Our music format consists of Exotica, Progressive Rock, Jazz, Ambient, Christian and much more. Please make a note of our new url: http://g2server.radiotalk.com:8080/ramgen/encoder/rfks.rm 15 new "on demand" shows are now online. Happy listening. Steve Internet Radio Free Kansas http://www.tafcommedia.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:48:58 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated At 10:38 AM 7/30/99 -0400, laura.taylor@us.pwcglobal.com wrote: >>>>Brad and BasciHip make me yearn for the "old days" of this list, when it >was filled with the moooovers and shakers of both the music industry and >also of just record collecting. > This list has really become >sorta The Jerry Springer Show Mit Birdcalls lately. How do you get to be a mover or a shaker in record collecting? The two concepts almost seem mutually exclusive. "Oh, he's a very important record collector". Yeah I guess there are the dealers and the the compilation/researcher types. But in my experience those types usually feel like they're "above" all the human concerns of a normal record accumulator. I guess it's kind of cool to have the odd semi-famous musician or researcher on the list. I like owning a couple of CD's by guys - and potentially gals - who I sort of "know" from the list. And it's nice to have a few people who actually know more than you can pick up from looking at the back of a couple of records. But it's also nice to have enthusiasm and the joy of discovery, the kind of thing that rarely come from "important" people of any kind. Having interviewed well over a hundred record collectors for my last project, I actually find the Jerry Springer image fairly appropriate. Except most of us wouldn't break a chair over a guy's head for his opinion about Spanky McFarlane. Then again, if he was sleeping with my records... Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:49:11 -0400 From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) Record Cover books > Unfortunately, Ms. McKnight-Trontz didn't check her links before > publication and now people who find the URL in "Exoticaquarium" think the > site is dead. Yesterday I was at Boders bookstore and saw the Exoticaquarium book. Looking at the cover, it looked like a great book - great cover, etc. Paging through it though I did get the feeling that much of it was a rehash of things I already knew - which is self-explanatory if much of the text was pulled from your and other web-sites. (Although it does have an introduction by Lenny Dee). I chose not to purchase the book, partly because it seemed a bit overpriced at $25, and partly because the book seemed to be geared as an introduction to the exotica scene. If I was not already familiar with the entire genre, or didn't already own more than half of the LPs, I would most probably snap it up. I also saw Eric Kohner's book "In the Groove: Vintage Record Graphics, 1940-60. I was more impressed with this book, perhaps because the graphics displayed are from the era 10-15 years before most of my own collection. The price is much better $19 and the intro is by Tony Bennett. One thing I liked more about 'Into the Groove' was that it seemed to be geared more toward graphic designers than the exotica scenesters - which somehow gave it much more credibility. I didn't buy this book either though, because I found the overall design of the book somewhat jarring. Many of the covers from that era are based on bright, primary colors, in a somewhat abstract cut-out fashion (think of Jim Flora's work) There wasn't enough white space seperating the various covers .... I found myself trying to look at one cover and being distracted by the colors from the neighbors, and result is likely to be (for me) a big headache. The left hand pages feature one entire record cover which extended all the way to the page margins, and I would have prefered to see a small white border - for some reason without that border I feel like the whole thing is slightly cropped and I'm missing something. I do expect though to purchase 'In the Groove' sometime soon though - the love of graphic design and the era is readily apparant and the book does fill a void in my collection. My 3 favorite books featuring record covers that overlap the exotica scene are below. All of them have a high percentage of records that I do not own, which means I page through them often and dream. 1. 'The Album Cover Art of Soundtracks' by Jastfelder/Kassel . Like "In the Groove", this also features one full cover (on the right hand pages), but this format is better because the actual size of the pages are close to being full album size. 2. Album Covers From the Vinyl Junkyard ... I like the way the covers are grouped in themes, plus there is plenty of white space 3. '1000 Record Covers' by Michael Ochs. It's thick (750 + pages) and seperated into decades. Of course, the first 350 pages from the 50's and the 60's are much better than the second 350 pages (70-s - 90's) Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:04:22 +0200 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556) Mimi Mayer wrote: >is there a CD reissue of the RCA-Victor lp "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556)? i don't have the CD, but it does have the same title, so i assume it is a reisue: CD, RCA Living Stereo 26052 2, Germany, 1995 Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:39:56 +0200 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Lydia Kavina: Music From The Ether You have to like contemporary classical music to appreciate this CD. Especially the noisy, experimental compositions by Lydia Kavina are extremely difficult to digest. I couldn't listen to either of them for more than 10 seconds... Lydia Kavina: Music From The Ether. Original Works for Theremin CD, Mode Records 76, USA, 1999 Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #466 *****************************