From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #495 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 495 In This Digest: (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco (exotica) EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! in San Francisco (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco (exotica) Whoops! (exotica) Re: EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! in San Francisco Re: (exotica) "Snowflakes" comp..... (exotica) [obits] David Karp,Stanley M. Simmons,Tony Duquette (exotica) bird calls by humans (exotica) bird calls (exotica) Ogerman Re: (exotica) bird calls (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... 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(exotica) New Guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:23:44 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" at San Francisco's Yerba Buena Center for the Arts The San Francisco Cinematheque at Yerba Buena Center For the Arts 701 Mission Street San Francisco (415) 978-2700 The San Francisco Cinematheque at the Yerba Buena Center For the Arts will present "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema." This retrospective of rare musical films was collected and compiled by The Secret Cinema, a Philadelphia-based floating repertory cinema that has been showing offbeat film fare in various locations since 1992. In addition to regular screenings in the Philadelphia area, The Secret Cinema has presented programs in New York, Baltimore, and at the Internacional Festival de Cine de Gijon, in Spain (where, in 1997, the international jury gave a special award to The Secret Cinema for "collecting, preserving, and showing the treasures of obscure cinema." The three programs at Yerba Buena, all shown in 16mm film (no video), are as follows: Wednesday, September 15, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA MUSIC FILMS Friday, September 17, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! (this uses completely different footage from the September 15 program) Saturday, September 18, 9:00 pm - SITCOM ROCK: ROCK 'N' ROLL EPISODES OF CLASSIC TV COMEDIES Ticket stubs from any "Three Nights With Secret Cinema" screening will be good for a dollar off the price of admission to Saturday night's "Planet Tiki: Bongos By The Bay" party, featuring Preston Epps and several other exotica music and novelty acts, d.j.'s and tiki art exhibits. For more details, go to tikinews.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:23:21 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! in San Francisco The Secret Cinema presents EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! at Yerba Buena Center For the Arts The San Francisco Cinematheque at Yerba Buena Center For the Arts 701 Mission Street San Francisco (415) 978-2700 On Friday, September 17, the San Francisco Cinematheque at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts will continue its "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" series with EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! This collection of ultra-rare footage will showcase a unique collection of filmed musical performances from a variety of offbeat jazz, pop, and rock artists from around the globe. The films come from a variety of sources, including very early TV shows, film jukeboxes from the 1940s ("Soundies") and 1960s ("Scopitones"), and select feature film clips. This follow-up to Wednesday's EXOTICA MUSIC FILMS program features 100% different programming -- little of which is likely to have been seen before by anybody attending! All of the films will be projected from 16mm film prints onto a giant movie screen (not video). The screening begins at 8:00 pm. Just some of the performers shown on the big screen will include: Astrud Gilberto, The Jimmy Smith Trio, Desi Arnaz, Sylvie Vartan, Johnny Hallyday and Ethel Smith. Adding extra spice to this celluloid smorgasboard is a selection of equally arcane short subjects, without musicians but plenty of exoticism: Technicolor travelogues of Caribbean isles, coming attraction "trailers" for Maria Montez movies, a 1920s silent film on "Ceylon Devil Dancers and Buddas," and a look at tiki carving and other customs of the South Seas. Plus, scenes from a never-shown-in-the-U.S. French TV special, WORLD MUSIC ET SETECT, featuring organ jazz/pop-rock instro combo Andr=E9 Brasseur et so= n Orchestre, Peter Max-like animation and pop-art special effects.=20 PLUS, a sampling of DISK JOCKEY TV TOONS. These lost artifacts from early 50s broadcasting were marketed to local television stations for use as filler programming during Hit Parade-type shows. The low-budget, bizarre visualizations are essentially ROCK VIDEOS WITH NO SOUNDTRACKS, and were made to be shown with suggested popular records. And if all this weren't enough, there will be a special talk about the history of film jukeboxes by Secret Cinema curator Jay Schwartz, illustrated with color slides of rare photos and original advertising materials.=20 Ticket stubs from any "Three Nights With Secret Cinema" screening will be good for a dollar off the price of admission to Saturday night's "Planet Tiki: Bongos By The Bay" party, featuring Preston Epps and several other exotica music and novelty acts, d.j.'s and tiki art exhibits. For more details, go to tikinews.com The Secret Cinema, begun in 1992, is a Philadelphia-based floating repertory film series that shows unusual and lost film fare of all types at various locations. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:28:23 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" at San Francisco's Yerba Buena Center for the Arts The San Francisco Cinematheque at Yerba Buena Center For the Arts 701 Mission Street San Francisco (415) 978-2700 The San Francisco Cinematheque at the Yerba Buena Center For the Arts will present "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema." This retrospective of rare musical films was collected and compiled by The Secret Cinema, a Philadelphia-based floating repertory cinema that has been showing offbeat film fare in various locations since 1992. In addition to regular screenings in the Philadelphia area, The Secret Cinema has presented programs in New York, Baltimore, and at the Internacional Festival de Cine de Gijon, in Spain (where, in 1997, the international jury gave a special award to The Secret Cinema for "collecting, preserving, and showing the treasures of obscure cinema." The three programs at Yerba Buena, all shown in 16mm film (no video), are as follows: Wednesday, September 15, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA MUSIC FILMS Friday, September 17, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! (this uses completely different footage from the September 15 program) Saturday, September 18, 9:00 pm - SITCOM ROCK: ROCK 'N' ROLL EPISODES OF CLASSIC TV COMEDIES Ticket stubs from any "Three Nights With Secret Cinema" screening will be good for a dollar off the price of admission to Saturday night's "Planet Tiki: Bongos By The Bay" party, featuring Preston Epps and several other exotica music and novelty acts, d.j.'s and tiki art exhibits. For more details, go to tikinews.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:28:42 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" in San Francisco "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema" at San Francisco's Yerba Buena Center for the Arts The San Francisco Cinematheque at Yerba Buena Center For the Arts 701 Mission Street San Francisco (415) 978-2700 The San Francisco Cinematheque at the Yerba Buena Center For the Arts will present "Three Nights With the Secret Cinema." This retrospective of rare musical films was collected and compiled by The Secret Cinema, a Philadelphia-based floating repertory cinema that has been showing offbeat film fare in various locations since 1992. In addition to regular screenings in the Philadelphia area, The Secret Cinema has presented programs in New York, Baltimore, and at the Internacional Festival de Cine de Gijon, in Spain (where, in 1997, the international jury gave a special award to The Secret Cinema for "collecting, preserving, and showing the treasures of obscure cinema." The three programs at Yerba Buena, all shown in 16mm film (no video), are as follows: Wednesday, September 15, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA MUSIC FILMS Friday, September 17, 8:00 pm - EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! (this uses completely different footage from the September 15 program) Saturday, September 18, 9:00 pm - SITCOM ROCK: ROCK 'N' ROLL EPISODES OF CLASSIC TV COMEDIES Ticket stubs from any "Three Nights With Secret Cinema" screening will be good for a dollar off the price of admission to Saturday night's "Planet Tiki: Bongos By The Bay" party, featuring Preston Epps and several other exotica music and novelty acts, d.j.'s and tiki art exhibits. For more details, go to tikinews.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:30:45 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) Whoops! Sorry I posted the "Three Nights With Secret Cinema" message three times. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:43:59 EDT From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: EXOTICA FILMS 2: MUSIC AND MORE! in San Francisco The Devil-Ettes make an unannounced FREE performance at the Wed show at about 7:45 or so in the lobby of the Yerba Buena Center BE THERE! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:46:54 -0400 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) "Snowflakes" comp..... Thanks for the replies - maybe I'll spell Darrell's name right some day = too!! BTW - Darrell, that's where I get a great deal of my questions - from = listening CONSTANTLY to all the Retro shows while I'm at work!!!! Best - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:43:35 -0400 From: Subject: (exotica) [obits] David Karp,Stanley M. Simmons,Tony Duquette PITTSFIELD, Mass. (AP) -- David Karp, a novelist, screen and television writer, died Saturday of bladder cancer. He was 77. He was one of a group of writers such as Paddy Chayesky, Horton Foote, Rod Serling and others, whose careers flourished during the 1950's ``golden age'' of television writing. Until the 1970s, Karp was a frequent contributor to such dramatic series as ``The Untouchables.'' He was also the author of several television series and movies. He was an accomplished novelist who published more than a half-dozen books. His most successful novel, ``One,'' was a political science fiction story. LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Stanley M. Simmons, who designed sets and costumes for Broadway shows and ballets, died Sept. 4 of heart failure. He was 71. The designer created costumes for the original production of Tennessee Williams' ``Garden District'' and ``Bar of a Tokyo Hotel'' and for such musicals as ``Show Boat,'' ``The King and I,'' ``Brigadoon'' and ``Lena: The Lady and Her Music.'' He also designed costumes and sets for ``Coppelia'' and costumed major American ballet companies, including the Joffrey Ballet. He also collaborated with the choreographers Agnes de Mille and Jerome Robbins and worked on sets for ballet and opera productions at the Vienna State Opera and Spoleto Festival. Simmons was known for creating dance costumes that embodied the essence of ballet, such as the free-flowing dress in Eliot Feld's ``Meadowlark.'' His television credits include the Emmy Award-winning Shirley MacLaine special ``Gypsy in My Soul.'' September 14, 1999 Tony Duquette, 85, a Decorator of Fantasy By JULIE V. IOVINE, NYTimes Tony Duquette, the designer whose lavish, whimsically baroque sets and costumes, interiors and jewelry made him a Hollywood favorite for more than five decades, died on Sept. 9. He was 85. The cause of his death, at the University of California at Los Angeles Medical Center, was complications from a heart attack, said Hutton Wilkinson, his business partner of 30 years. Exotic excess was the signature of the Tony Duquette style. "He was the only man who could spend $999 in a 99-cent store," Wilkinson said. Part sly conjurer, part satin-robed aesthete, Duquette was concerned with the dazzling effect of his designs, often using unabashedly cheap materials. At his Hollywood Hills studio, a roomful of 18th-century French antiques sat amid gilded trees beneath a ceiling studded with glued-on gold plastic serving trays. His talent for overdoing it was appreciated by clients who had acquired their own sense of the grandiose, among them Vincente Minnelli, Doris Duke, Mary Pickford, J. Paul Getty, David O. Selznick and the duchess of Windsor. "He was doing fantasy from the moment he began, and remained committed to his vision no matter what the fashion of the day dictated," said Liz O'Brien, a New York dealer in 20th-century decorative arts. Anthony Michael Duquette (the name is pronounced due-KETT) was born in Los Angeles on June 11, 1914. The oldest of four children, Duquette "always just was what he was -- artistic, driven," said his sister, Jeanne Newman. When he was 12, he entertained his siblings with a puppet show of "Scheherazade," making all the costumes himself. The toy houses he built were romantically lighted with birthday candles. After high school, he attended the Chouinard Art Institute in Los Angeles on a scholarship. His first job was as a designer at Bullock's department store. As a freelancer, he also worked for the Hollywood designers Billy Haines and James Pendleton. During World War II, he served as a private in the U.S. Army. In 1949, he married Elizabeth Johnstone, an artist and eager contributor to the Duquette vision. He called her Beegle, and the nickname stuck. Duquette liked to say that he was discovered by Lady Mendl (who had become famous as an interior decorator as Elsie de Wolfe) when, in her 80s, she decamped from her villa in France to a villa in Los Angeles to avoid the war. "I want you to make me a meuble," Lady Mendl commanded, putting the word "furniture" into French, after admiring a jewel-bedecked plaster and glass centerpiece that Duquette had designed for a dinner party. Impressed with the result, a black-lacquered secretary with Moors set against a mirrored background festooned with Venetian glass flowers, she began to promote her new discovery to clients, friends and influential editors. Their collaboration lasted until her death, in 1951. Duquette became president of the Elsie de Wolfe Foundation and at the time of his death he was organizing an auction of the foundation's Elsie de Wolfe collections, to be held at Christie's in Los Angeles next week. It did not take long for Duquette to become established as a celebrity decorator, furniture and jewelry maker, and set designer. He furnished a castle for Elizabeth Arden, designed his first piece of jewelry for the duchess of Windsor and built sets for Vincente Minnelli's lavish movies "Ziegfeld Follies of 1944" and "Yolanda and the Thief," with Fred Astaire (1945). He won a Tony award for best costumes for the original 1961 Broadway production of "Camelot." In the late 1940s, he was given a one-man show at the Pavillon de Marsan in the Louvre. But his own lavishly theatrical homes were perhaps his most astonishing creations. The house on his 175-acre Malibu ranch, named Sortilegium, was an architectural collage of Oriental and Georgian motifs interlarded with bits of unexpected exotica: a window from Greta Garbo and John Gilbert's love nest, a Venetian gondola, and a set of 18th-century doors presented to him and his wife by Mary Pickford and Buddy Rogers as a wedding present. It was destroyed by fire in 1993. Another home, Dawnridge, was a villagelike compound with Balinese pavilions and grand Venetian salons, the whole spiced with 18th-century Chinese window carvings. Duquette also enjoyed creating what he called celebrational environments. His most famous installation, dedicated in the 1980s, was in honor of St. Francis of Assisi, the patron saint of San Francisco, where Duquette had gained a large following with his opera sets and decorations for debutante balls. The Duquette Pavilion of St. Francis consisted of a room crowded with monumental 28-foot metal sculptures of archangels and giant jewel-studded tapestries. It, too, was destroyed by fire, in 1989. His wife died in 1995. In addition to his sister, Ms. Newman of La Canada, Calif., Duquette is survived by a brother, Frank Duquette of Palm Springs, Calif. Projects he was working on at the time of his death included rooms in the Palazzo Brandolini in Venice, Italy, and a jewelry collection for Gucci. "Decorating is not a surface performance," Duquette once said, "It's a spiritual impulse, inborn and primordial." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:13:10 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) bird calls by humans Somebody on this list "collects" records with bird calls. I bought a couple of LP's for that person, if he/she wants them. They're by Lorin Whitney and Ralph Platt. Lorin plays the pipe organ and Ralph does the bird calls. Maybe that doesn't fit into a "bird call collection". Maybe it has to be real birds. But if you're that person and this fits into your collection, lemme know and I'll send them to you. I did listen to one of them and I believe it's the single strangest thing I've ever heard on LP. I know that's a mouthful, especially on this list, but it's definitely in the ballpark. BTW, I think this would fit on Citizen Kafka's radio show. And hey, if you're around, I think I saw you on television. Tweet tweet. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:00:32 -0400 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) bird calls Hi, Nat, 1) i've been filmed in several documentaries, and co-hosted (with Ben Vereen) a film about NYC street musicians... what did you see?? bluegrass? something else? 2) i stopped collecting bird records (real and vocalized) a while back, and mainly have 78s, especially from the earlier part of the century. I'm always interested, though@! what makes these records strange? i might want to trade for them. Enquiring minds want to know! thanks, citizen kafka - -------------------------------------- Nat Kone spake thusly: "I did listen to one of them and I believe it's the single strangest thing I've ever heard on LP. I know that's a mouthful, especially on this list, but it's definitely in the ballpark. BTW, I think this would fit on Citizen Kafka's radio show. And hey, if you're around, I think I saw you on television. Tweet tweet." Nat - ---------------------------------- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:34:17 EDT From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Ogerman >Claus Ogerman >3 albums on RCA - >"Watusi Trumpets" >"Saxes Mexicanos" >"Latin Rock" His LP "Soul Searchin' " is good, too. I like it better than "Watusi Trumpets". I don't have the other two so I can't compare with those two. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:23:57 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) bird calls Also, not that it is exotica, but there is the composer Oliver Messiaen, who put transcribed bird songs in his music. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... There is a friendly, but charged, debate going on in my band right now about the wording on a poster announcing our forthcoming album...The poster currently says "new CD." I don't like that, and wish to call it "album", but some of the more "moderne" people in my band say I'm being picky,picky,picky...Whaddaya say? I hate the sound of somebody saying "The new CD from so-and-so"(even though in our case, it will only be on CD for the first run.) One records an album of work, not a CD of it...but, just write me off-line, unless you think yer post will edify others... Much luff-JF69 === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:45:57 -0400 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... I think "new recording" or "new record" might sidestep the issue nicely... Jane Fondle wrote: - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:46:01 PDT From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: (exotica) stereolab/free design I dont know if anyone has noticed, but the new stereolab cd single/ep is available and guess what its called? Free Design. At least they are giving some credit to influences. rock on jonathan aka dj flint at the moment living in Indiana and without a radio show. Boo Hoo. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:18:03 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ogerman In a message dated 9/14/99 1:37:58 PM, Pearmania@aol.com wrote: >>Claus Ogerman > >>3 albums on RCA - >>"Watusi Trumpets" >>"Saxes Mexicanos" >>"Latin Rock" I want them all. Anyone have any of them for sale? Jimmy B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:20:17 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... In a message dated 9/14/99 1:39:51 PM, jane_fondle_69@yahoo.com wrote: >.The poster >currently says "new CD." I don't like that, and wish >to call it "album", but some of the more "moderne" >people in my band say I'm being >picky,picky,picky...Whaddaya say? Jane I say you are CORRECT MS! On the air when I play something new I too gag on "new CD from...." I just say "the new recording from...." Hope that helps, Jimmy B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:23:12 EDT From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... The problem is that calling it an album or record sort of implies that it is avaliable on vinyl --- as you know lots of indy stuff is avaliable on vinyl. But, it's your call --- it's your band! Let me add, I can't wait to get my hands on one of em' so I can give my ears a treat! Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:33:48 -0700 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... I am looking forward to the new Astroslut *album.* I would prefer to have mine on CD rather than a *Record.* The venerable Citizen Kafka writes: > I think "new recording" or "new record" might sidestep the issue > nicely... I think "Album" originally referred to a collection of songs recrded on 78's and stored in a book-like album, while "Record" was a term that referred to the recording, but eventually aqcuired the meaning of the physical object, as in, "There is a record missing from Les Baxter album!" Yes? (I'm asking... somebody help me out here.) If the above is true, then I would conclude that "Album" can be accurately applied to any collection of songs whether it's on Cassette, 8-Track, LP *Record,* CD, whatever, while "Record" carries the cannotation of a vinyl disk. The posting has been slow lately, so I will send this out publicly - It IS an iteresting question. Love on y'all. Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:02 -0400 From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... The problem is that calling it an album or record sort of implies that it is avaliable on vinyl --- as you know lots of indy stuff is avaliable on vinyl. But, it's your call --- it's your band! Let me add, I can't wait to get my hands on one of em' so I can give my ears a treat! Larry >>>That's what one bandmember said...that he wants consumers to look for an actual CD product...that is a good point, albiet a sterile reality... I hope others think it'll be a treat! It's being mastered tonite, master... Jane Fondle - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:45:37 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's question / hurricane The term "album" originally referred to a set (i.e. more than one) records (usually 78s) sold in a "book" like housing. For instance, I have Yma Sumac's Voice of Xtaby "album which consist of 6 78's (thus 12 songs). When long play "albums" came about they maintained the term. I personally don't mind the sound of "new CD" but "album" is becoming an antiquated term. In today's context, CD is probably more accurate. Oh, btw, Tiki Bob, one not easily frightened, is preparing to evacuate his tiki hut and head towards higher grounds. The cloud formations and songs of the birds have me thinking that the tiki gods might be sending a big storm my way because I have not made my necessary sacrificial post to the Exotica List lately. I will try to dismantle my computer (which is made of two old vacuum tubes, a capacitor, a couple of coconuts, and old LCD wrist watch, some wire and a 9 volt battery -- I have a few lemons and a bar of zinc for emergency power). If I cannot take it with me I will forward a temporary email address. I think the headhunter in the hills has mindspring. Later, Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:43:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... The posting has been slow lately, so I will send this out publicly - It IS an iteresting question. Love on y'all. Ron >>>NO KIDDING! I feel like I'm my own-mailing list sometime! Wazzamatter, doesn't anybody BUY or GET any REKKIDS anymore, gollydangit?|Jane Fondle@xmission.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:52:50 -0400 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... Hi, Ron, I have to double check with real experts to see if the term 'record' was ever used with cylinders, but i think it referred to any flat disc recording. So, from shellac to vinyl and cardboard in between, they were all records. It's now a matter of usage more than nomenclature; is a CD a record? It sort of feels like it to me, but then i've used the term to refer to all disc recordings for about 45 years or so (even, to a lesser extent, to cassettes and 8-tracks, as in, "did you catch Bobby Hebb's latest record?"). To someone 16 years old, what is a record? You know this ends up as a sort of reverse snobbism, eh? Just remember, shellac REALLY rules! (it is the longest proven archival medium, some recordings having lasted over 90 years in the same state as the day they were pressed). More if required, ck - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:02:42 -0400 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) hurricane Safe trip, Tiki Bob, here's what he's running from, in infra-red, shot about 2 days ago... http://www.megasaver.com/images/floyd.jpg - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's question / hurricane - --- Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > > Oh, btw, Tiki Bob, one not easily frightened, is > preparing to evacuate his > tiki hut and head towards higher grounds. > > Later, > > Tiki Bob > OOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOooooo, Tiki Bob! We are prayin' for ya'! I raise a Tiki mug to you and your family for good luck, but I'll try to avoid drinking a "Hurricane" from it! xo-Jane === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:34:52 +0000 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... At 02:52 PM 14-09-99 -0400, Kafka wrote: >I have to double check with real experts to see if the term 'record' was >ever used with cylinders, but i think it referred to any flat disc >recording. But, actually, the primary meaning of the noun record in the early part of the 20th century was a gathering of information on some medium. When Al Smith, Governor of New York, said "Let's look at the record" he wasn't referring to a flat disc recording (although Mad magazine differs on that point) but to a body of knowledge found in newspapers and the like. In fact, you may still find newspapers called something like "The Daily Record." They didn't mean flat disc recordings of audio information. Cylinders were never mass-produced so did not have a big following (I don't think anyone ever found a way to mass produce a single recording on cylinder). I believe that once recordings were mass produced and the industry took off, the word record was used more often for those flat discs until the noun record was most synonymous with those flat discs and little else. If cylinders had "taken off" you might have found the term record applied to them as well. I personally am looking forward to getting the quadrophonic version of Astroslut on a wire recording! Byron Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way http://www.hubris.net/zolac The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:47:36 -0700 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... >It's now a matter of usage more than nomenclature; is a CD > a record? It sort of feels like it to me, but then i've used the term to > refer to all disc recordings for about 45 years or so (even, to a lesser > extent, to cassettes and 8-tracks, as in, "did you catch Bobby Hebb's > latest record?"). To someone 16 years old, what is a record? You know > this ends up as a sort of reverse snobbism, eh? < And for this reason, I still maintain "album" should be used. It's apparent that the changing meanings will bring with it a little bit of confusion no matter WHAT you do, so you might as well take a leadership role and use your bully-pulpit to help shape the usage. If you want to hedge your bet, try this: "New Album now available on CD." ...or something. If CD becomes the preferred term, than we will have this discussion every time a new medium (and BELIEVE ME, the format wars are just getting started) we will have this dilemma. "Hey guys, I just downloaded the new Astroslut MP9...er...CD...Ah HELL... Their new *album*!" For the moment, "album" does carry a cannotation of the vinyl disk, but less so than "record." Ron "Glad I don't live in FLAHrida" Grandia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:54:14 +0100 From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) Jane's dumb question of the day... Jane Fondle wrote: > There is a friendly, but charged, debate going on in > my band right now about the wording on a poster > announcing our forthcoming album... How about "new phonographic representation"? No, I think "album" is better. This doesn't imply to me a vinyl issue whereas "record" certainly would. Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------- ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** - ---------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:49:35 +0000 From: "Eric Taub" Subject: (exotica) New Guy Since there doesn't seem to be a lot of activity at the moment, I thought = I'd take a moment to say hi. I'm new to both the group and to the music that it discusses. I've just = recently started to listening to/appreciating exotica (list term usage) = and I'm just starting to get a small collection going (right now just = cd's). Your discussions have been really helpful. I've already asked = several of you for some help with this. My thanks to you. Anyway, that's about it for now. Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #495 *****************************