From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #548 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 548 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) For your eyes only! Re: (exotica) For your eyes only! Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... (exotica) Not Bach-yet... Re: (exotica) Tape echo... Sixth sense (exotica) V/Search Swing Book (exotica) Questions..... (exotica) The sixth sense Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl Re: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl (exotica) Werner Muller & Connie Stevens Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense (exotica) Pollo del Mar in SF (exotica) Tiki Tones swing in SF Re: (exotica) See It in Sound? (exotica) sock it to me by the now generation Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense (exotica) Ton Tiki Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense (exotica) Re: Tape echo (exotica) Edmundo Ros (exotica) Re: R Hayman-Voodoo Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense (exotica) [obits] Mary Kay Bergman,"Cowboy" Jimmy Moore,Doug Sahm,Beatrice Colen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:52:53 -0500 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) For your eyes only! >advertised so get your bare asses down there! I will, but I don't think my mule knows how to get to a club by himself, nor is he very interested in music. Have a good show, in any case. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:59:11 -0600 From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) For your eyes only! >>advertised so get your bare asses down there! > >I will, but I don't think my mule knows how to get to a club by >himself, nor is he very interested in music. but he knows how to shave?! visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:06:13 -0800 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... > It is a phenomenon known as print through. In fact, some > records you buy > have been mastered from tapes which had print through > problems which is why > you sometimes hear part of the song just a bit early. I am going to disagree with this one. Generally a half-track master will have leader tape between the takes, not magnetic tape, so bleed through should never appear on a record. If you hear the next groove ahead of time, like MO said, it is due to the mechanics of the vinyl. As I understand it, the leader tape will be between tracks, BUT the splice of leader/tape should be well before the beginning of the track. Splices tend to produce a slight "bump" and I would expect there to be some silent magnetic tape at the front which would prevent the "bump" but would also be susceptible to the problem of print-through. A common preventative measure for print-through is to wind tapes "tails out" so the print effect goes back onto the recorded part of the track where it is less likely to be noticed. I have some old reels of stuff I produced in my college radio days that now exhibits this phenomenon due to my ignoring all the warnings I received about not storing my tapes "tails out." As for vinyl print -through, that's a new one on me. It could happen, I guess. A 33 rpm record takes a little less than 2 seconds to make a full revolution, and that seems consistent with some "echoes" I have heard on vinyl. Has anyone ever heard the print through at the END of a song? If the vinyl theory is correct, it should be be there, and if the engineers wound their tapes the way they were supposed to, it would be there on tape also. ...Waiting for Cleve to come and straighten us all out... Perhaps this is one for Cecil Adams (Author of the thouroughly entertaining "Straight Dope" books.) Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:15:41 -0600 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... > A common preventative measure for print-through is to wind tapes "tails > out" so the print effect goes back onto the recorded part of the track > where it is less likely to be noticed. This is exactly right. Back in the days when we still used reel-to- reel tape around the studios here, we always stored them "tails out" in order to prevent print through. We have tapes in our archives going back 10+ years stored in this fashion that are still playable. Tapes stored for a long time also tend to dry out and become brittle. As I understand it, print through can also be caused when another magnetic field comes into contact with the tape. Tossing your car keys on top of a tape, for example, could cause print through. Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:25:20 +0100 From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Ron Grandia wrote: > Has anyone ever heard the print through at the END of a song? If the vinyl > theory is correct, it should be be there, and if the engineers wound their > tapes the way they were supposed to, it would be there on tape also. Yes, but it's most often less obvious as songs usually have some kind of fade out. > ...Waiting for Cleve to come and straighten us all out... Perhaps this is > one for Cecil Adams (Author of the thouroughly entertaining "Straight Dope" > books.) Do you doubt my words????????? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Not Bach-yet... Hi, gang-o-mine. I really miss it around your parts, but what can I do....still unemployed and using the Library computer with the other winos. Anyway, a big THANKS and wet kiss and stuff to all who have bought LOVE AT ZERO G from us! I really hope you dig it....to those DJs who don't yet have one, please send a reminder to: thee_ana_lu@yahoo.com That's Quinn Martian's address. Also, I had a funny dream the other night. It was about a nonexistent space age pop rekkid, that had this great technocolour cover....on the "yellow panel" side of the cover was a 5ts looking blonde babe, and on the "blue panel" side was a picture of a more 7ts singer....the title(made up in my dream) MANILOW AND MISCHEIF! Geezzzz! Anyway, looking forward to rejoining y'all again someday.... The lady is blue: JANE FONDLE ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:42:40 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo... Sixth sense No, no. It ties in with the sixth sense thread. The mind and hi-fi both being mysterious things, you're experiencing small bursts of premonition -- your mind hears the music a moment before it actually happens. This was all explored in the RCA labs during the 40s and 50s (successful experiments with temporal ping-pong mixes were among their achievements), but was totally hushed up and deep-sixed by secret government decree. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:07:55 -0500 From: dciccone@inspex.com Subject: (exotica) V/Search Swing Book Noticed a new book at Tower: V/Search #3 Swing:The New Retro Renaissance by V.V Vale Co-publisher of RE/Search. A few of the people interviewed in the book that I recognized : Royal Crown Review, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Sam Butera. Domenic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:25:53 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Questions..... Anybody have the comp. "Axes, Saxes & Skins & Ivories" ( I think there are = two volumes) - this is all instro stuff. How is "Preston Epps Bongo Rock? Is it straight percussion? - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:03:18 -0500 From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: (exotica) The sixth sense Nat & Jill wrote: > >I cant say what it is but I can often smell its an interesting record by > > the cover > I have this too. I think it IS a gift. A sixth sense. I so rarely buy crap, > but I am very picky. But sometimes I just see a record and think, "this'll > be a good one" and 99% of the time it is. Occasionally it isn't. I think I refined this sense during the new wave era when records were very expensive and you couldn't (at least in this continent) listen to them first. Usually a combination of the name, the cover, associated names or something else triggered it. Sure experience helped, but many times the record just 'seemed' right'... a bit like how I first stumbled on Der plan. I can't say I'm now or ever was at 99% but of those things I couldn't listen to or knew nothing about my success rate was always well over 50%. Considering the proportion of good to crap out there I think that's mighty good... and I too am very picky about what I like! Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:57:44 -0800 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... Mo writes: > Do you doubt my words????????? > > Mo "Doubt" is a strong word, and I did not mean to point that statement at you or anyone else. Sorry if it appeared that way. I just thought it would be nice to hear from an authority on the matter such as Cleve, or anyone who has working knowlege of the recording insustry. Especially in regard to two points 1) The use of leader tape, and whether there would be enough magnetic tape at the head to record an imprint and 2) whether there is also a mechanical imprint from vinyl grooves being too close together. Not that this has anything to do with the price of beer - It's just interesting. Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:17:38 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl Definitely got that sixth sense. It works works looking at records, at record bins. Also hits with a little voice that tells me, Go forth and find records. And usually I know where to hunt, too. Weird and lucky. Glad you're back, Jill honey. Take care, xxo Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:37:48 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl I'd like to think I have the Sixth Sense, but I really do like Wednesdays at a particular Cambridge-based record shop when the owner isn't in and the guys let me spin and grin before i turn in my pin (number).....Jimmy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:04:41 -0800 From: Jim Gerwitz Subject: (exotica) Werner Muller & Connie Stevens Before she became an informercial/internet cosmetics queen, Connie Stevens went to Germany and recorded an album of supposedly "international" songs backed by Werner Muller. I kinda like it, if only for her extremely perky "Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish." Worth the buck I paid. Hell, i spent a buck last week for Lawrence Welk's "Scarlett O'Hara" only to see what George Cates would do with "Pipeline." Very interesting, using the strings for the whammy bar effect. And Scarlett O'Hara was the same song as one of my all time favorite obscure 60's instrumentals by session drummer Bobby Gregg. You never know what you'll find. With my sixth sense i don't see dead people, i see old records...well, there is a connection now that i think about it.... JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:21:09 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense At 04:03 PM 11/18/99 -0500, Brian Karasick wrote: > I can't say I'm now or ever >was at 99% but of those things I couldn't listen to or knew nothing >about my success rate was always well over 50%. Considering the >proportion of good to crap out there I think that's mighty good... >and I too am very picky about what I like! Have any of you with that sixth sense ever considered the possibility, given how subjective "good vs crap" is, that your success ratio is mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy? Or how about this? You come home with a pile of crap. You're disappointed by the first one. Immediately your threshold of what's good dips a bit and if the next one is halfway decent, you elevate it. You don't buy that? Well how about this? I know that I changed my taste in order to make it easier to find lots of records that interested me. I like buying piles of cheap records so I retrofitted my taste so that I could find lots of stuff I wanted where they have piles of cheap records. But today I sold about fifty perfectly respectable easy listening records that had survived in my collection for a couple of years. That makes about 300 such records I've sold in the past. They were all good records. But they weren't GREAT records. I don't think there are enough great records in the world to have a high ratio of finding them. But there are lots of okay and good records or records with one or two pretty good cuts. I'm running out of steam. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:50:04 EST From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Pollo del Mar in SF Pollo Del Mar just released a cool new Exotica tinged surf CD along the lines of The Blue Hawaiians but leaning more toward The Mermen than Martin Denny Here are some shows to catch them at POLLO DEL MAR upcoming shows: The Paradise Lounge This Friday, November 19 with THE MERMEN Eleventh and Folsom in San Francisco, 21+, door charge Plenty of parking at Costco Pollo goes on at 10 PM show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall30.html "Winter Waves" KFJC benefit concert hosted by Phil Dirt December 4th at 1 PM Appreciation Hall (A-61) Foothill College, Los Altos Hills $10 at the door, ALL AGES Show starts at 1PM with THE SURF KINGS and THE SAND-DUNES show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall32.jpg The Tip Top Inn December 4, 9:30 PM Mission at 26th Street in San Francisco 21+, door charge with THE AQUAMEN and THE SURF KINGS show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall31.html WEST COAST LIVE Saturday, December 11, 10am The nationally syndicated NPR radio show at The The Frieght and Salvage. 1111 Addison Street, Berkeley show time 10 AM or listen to KALW 91.7 **Star trumpeter Jab from HERB and SHITTY SHITTY BAND BAND will be sitting in with us! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:49:52 EST From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Tiki Tones swing in SF Find out what goes on behind closed doors when the Suburban Swingers of today's turned-on generation turn out the lights!! Saturday November 27, 1999 Wife Swapping Party with... ...the fabulous TIKI TONES! Hi-Ball Lounge, 473 Broadway, SF Ph: 415.474.6299 Only $5.00 Vintage wife-swapping movies and 60s twist party/Go-Go Dance with KALX DJ The California Kid! Another SINtilating Sexcapade from the lowbrows at Liftoff! Only for the mature adult who UNDERSTANDS...Leave your keys at the door! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:54:45 EST From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) See It in Sound? I think it is the best Esquivel ever I am still totally baffled why anyone would NOT get Brother Cleve to write the liner notes Is there anyone out there who does not realise that Cleve is the defacto expert on the E-man at this point!?! Apparently some record execs are out in the cold, eh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:26:52 -0000 From: "Phil Clark" Subject: (exotica) sock it to me by the now generation someone said: "But the signs can be very deceiving. This isn't a perfect example but I just bought a record called "Sock it to me" by the so-called "The Now Generation". On Somerset. Now admittedly the song and artist list gave me some preparation for what it might be. I had a feeling it wouldn't be what the title suggested it would be. Somebody here recently mentioned Paul Griffin; I knew he played organ. Still nothing prepared me for the rockin raw sound of some of these cuts. Kinda like Bill Doggett on a bender." Ah, I have this - the UK issue was on the venerable Marble Arch label and can be found for oh, about 2 Earth Pounds or so. Wasn't it one of those Alshire/Somerset anonymous studio things where they recycled cuts between about four albums? For example "Astro Sounds" and "Animated Egg". groovily phil dil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:42:01 +0100 From: Mo Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense I dunno... 6th sense?!? Holy Scully! You guys are drifting into the Twilight Zone... The connection between sleeve design, era and music on a record is too obvious to have to make use of extra-sensual explanations. That someone who buys and collects records for years and years will develop a certain experience in being able to tell what the LP s/he finds in a store approximately will be like, is that a wonder? A question of PSI powers? As someone who just recently found and bought hundreds of used records and did find a lot of good (and some great) ones, I know some examples that disprove this 6th sense. I'm absolutely sure f.i. that everyone of you psi magicians would have bought this Edmundo Ros "Latin Love-In" with this cover of a naked girl bodypainting her boobies... (think of a prize of 50 cent) or this Tony Bennet "Music For the Jet Set Generation" or this "Styled For You" with a painting of Les Baxter on the cover... and all of these records were really C.R.A.P.! And I also kind of know that none of you would have bought the truly great Bimbo Jet... because the cover looks too different from what you'd expect a record you might like would look like and your 6th sense wouldn't have told you what you will find in the grooves.... Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic" music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that time. I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful enough as it is... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:14:42 +0100 From: Ton Rueckert Subject: (exotica) Ton Tiki Went on an adhoc mission yesterday to photograph two Tikifigures supposed to be somewhere in the German town of Bochum. The people at the touristinformation service after long deliberation decided the statues had to be in Bochum-Stiepel, in an area called Am Brunnen, at the well, the source. As I made myself on my way - by means of public transport, a bus as long as an anaconda and I felt totally squeezed too - the weather, which was initially bright, occasionally sunny even, although a bit humid and feeling colder than the actual temperatures, just above freezing, would suggest, got worse by the minute. When I eventually found the road to the place, leading along the edge of a small valley, the snow was coming down in massive quantities and the atmosphere had become utterly gloomy, and although being dressed in black from top to toe I looked like an abominable snowman on a journey to the heart of the darkness. Finally I arrived at a small castellum with a frontporch supported by two 7 feet polynesian figures, one at each side, but not quite Tikifigures as far as I could see through the flakes and with the little light left that actually came from behind, from the side of valley. So folks, this obviously means that this has become the best picture I never made and hence, the one on which you all sadly will miss out. Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:37:11 -0700 From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense >Have any of you with that sixth sense ever considered the possibility, >given how subjective "good vs crap" is, that your success ratio is mostly a >self-fulfilling prophecy? This has been considered extensively and rejected. Honestly. I don't usually buy piles of records anyway. This goes for new stuff as well as old. But there might be that one record for =A35 that you can't play before hand that looks good, and for some reason you just buy it. And it is. And so say five other friends who can't believe they've never heard of it. Not self-fulfilling. Really, not! At least not in my case! >Or how about this? You come home with a pile of crap. You're disappointed >by the first one. Immediately your threshold of what's good dips a bit and >if the next one is halfway decent, you elevate it. >But today I sold about fifty perfectly respectable easy listening records >that had survived in my collection for a couple of years. That makes about >300 such records I've sold in the past. They were all good records. I rid myself of good stuff I don't play much all the time due to space. A lot of stuff I get sent for free because I work in the industry. Some is stuff I get for free on trade. You take more chances if you part with no= money. >I don't think there are enough great records in the world to have a high >ratio of finding them. See, I don't buy a lot of records. I really don't. But my pile is mainly cream of cream. And I dont' usually pay high prices either. That is weird, man. And 95% of the so-called "scores" people brag about on this list make me giggle. I'm glad SOMEBODY thinks they're a find, but I see these records for $1 10 times over the once a year I go to the States and pass, and when some person I know DOES by them, I'm not sorry I didn't get them. Exactly what I expected. Nice arrangements, well produced, good cover, thoroughly forgettable.=20 Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think you were fishing for this sort of reaction, Nat. And that's cool.=20 x Jill "Mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:15:16 EST From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo....... A knowledgeable exoticat wrote: << On records you actually get a mechanical influence of the groove to its "neighbor" grooves; the tighter the record is cut the more. This also increases in time a bit, as the vinyl is working too, but it's not as dramatic as with tapes. Hope my English was sufficiant to explain this. >> Hummmmm, this discussion sounds particularly Non-Exotica related. I mean, no one said their cassette version of Quiet Village was bleeding over. Just that they had noted bleed over on a cassette recording. Interesting. Now, the folks over at the "Explaining Bleed Over on Records, Cassettes and Other Magnetic Tapes" Mailing List had an excellent discussion on this a few weeks ago. You may be able to find it in their archives (www.nonexoticarelateddiscussionofmagneticandrecordbleedover.com). Oh, and some guy from France claims that the magnetic tape made in HIS country does not allow the recorded image to bleed thru because it is superior. He suggested that if people would just buy French made cassette tapes that all problems would be solved. Funny those French, they can be kinda rude. Anyway, I don't really use cassettes anymore, so that suggestion does not interest me. I tried to ask them about the possibility of bleed over on CD's but they referred me to another list. I will keep you updated. So how about that Tipsy? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:07:57 -0700 From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense >Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic" >music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you >would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that >time. I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful >enough as it is... All I can say to this is those without the sense are bound to scoff. It isn't about LP covers. It's about KNOWING the record will be good. KNOWING. I have bought plenty of crummy covered records - new stuff, not just stuff 30 years old or more, that I just KNEW was a good band or release. I wish I could give an example that would make sense, but since it is unexplainable, trying to explain it to someone who doesn't understand just sounds like a bogus attempt to explain the unknown. I justify nothing. You KNOW or you don't. But I reckon there are one or two folk on this list who know exactly what I mean. Maybe even some of those who are trying to downplay it...sometimes a gift like this can frighten even those who HAVE it..... Jill "Mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:10:40 +0100 From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: Tape echo Mo wrote (Nov 18): =20 >On records you actually get a mechanical influence of the groove to its = >"neighbor" grooves; the tighter the record is cut the more.=20 - -- Now, what mechanical influence do you talk about? As far as I understand = there is nothing that can spill from one groove to another, other than = dust. The groove topography may change due to record wear (done by the = stylus), but if the grooves override into each other worse things will = happen than just a pre-echo of sound. The stylus will get stuck. Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:17:34 +0100 From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Edmundo Ros Paul Penna wrote on Edmundo Ros (Nov 18): =20 >IA British, male Mrs. Miller >overstates the case, but it still sounds like they pulled some average, >middle-aged bloke off a London street and told him, "Here - try to = swing >it." Is it Ros himself? - --- I agree, Paul. Ros is a terrible singer - you seldom hear someone, at = this level of world entertainment, so out of tune. And it is with Ros as = with Cugat and the Lecuona Cuban Boys and all Big Bands that remained in = business into the 60:s: they are better the older the recordings are.=20 Kristjan =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:23:31 +0100 From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: R Hayman-Voodoo Nat Kone wrote (Nov 17): =20 >For me, what sets Richard Hayman apart, besides the moog records and = >the >Voodoo thing I haven't heard, are his record COVERS. He's right up = there >with Jackie Gleason and George Shearing for a fairly high ratio of cool >and/or spectacular covers. >Does anyone know why some people had such high quality covers? = >Certainly >Shearing couldn't have had anything to do with his own covers and yet, = his >are among the classics. - -- Jeezes! I always thought the reason why Shearings Capitol albums came = with these tasteless pictures of half naked, fat women (_Mood Latino_ , = _Satin Latin_, _Latin Lace_ etc) was because he is blind - he couldn't = say no. Kristjan =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:34:20 +0100 From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense >>Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic" >>music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you >>would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that >>time. I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful >>enough as it is... > >All I can say to this is those without the sense are bound to scoff. It >isn't about LP covers. It's about KNOWING the record will be good. KNOWING. >I have bought plenty of crummy covered records - new stuff, not just stuff >30 years old or more, that I just KNEW was a good band or release. I wish I >could give an example that would make sense, but since it is unexplainable, >trying to explain it to someone who doesn't understand just sounds like a >bogus attempt to explain the unknown. I justify nothing. You KNOW or you >don't. But I reckon there are one or two folk on this list who know exactly >what I mean. Maybe even some of those who are trying to downplay >it...sometimes a gift like this can frighten even those who HAVE it..... It's nothing too uncommon, really, having a good, means a smart, intuition. Max Euwe, Netherlands' only World Chess Champion, defined it as chrystalised knowledge, it's things you know without realising how you know them. Like the body knows lots things, try to imagine a fighter having to consult his brain every time he needs to take a win or loose, not to mention a live or death decision, he does not deliberate, he does what he has to do. And so some people can smell (so to speak) danger, others can smell evil, I can smell truth, in a philosophical sense, so why shouldn't Jill be able to tell intuitively whether the esthetical concept of an album matches her esthetical standards, she has so internalized them and is so focused that it indeed amounts to a sort of finetuning. You will learn to trust your intuition when you notice that it's almost always right, that's simply something you take in from experience, perhaps when you do an extensive study into the phenomenon you will be able to establish exactly how it works, but why not just take advantage of it. We can leave the study to professional psychologists, can't we, we don't need to pressure a NAKED DJ into acedemic research? (so much for the pleasures of Academia...) Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:10:41 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Mary Kay Bergman,"Cowboy" Jimmy Moore,Doug Sahm,Beatrice Colen The Associated Press Friday, Nov. 19, 1999; 12:12 a.m. EST LOS ANGELES –– Mary Kay Bergman, who gave voice to the mothers of "South Park" characters like Stan, Cartman and Kenny, died Nov. 11 from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. She was 38. Ms. Bergman's credits included supplying voices on "Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace," "The Iron Giant" and "Mulan." In recent years, she inherited the role of Daphne in the new "Scooby-Doo" videos. Jimmy Moore ALBUQUERQUE (AP) – "Cowboy" Jimmy Moore, a championship billiards player and technical adviser to films involving the sport, died Wednesday at 89. Moore won the National Invitational Professional Pocket Billiards Championship in New York in 1965. Nineteen years later, when he was 74, he won the Legends of Pocket Billiards competition on ESPN. He picked up billiards as a teen-ager in Detroit and won four Michigan state titles. In 1958, he beat Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter for the national title. Moore later served as a technical adviser for pool-playing scenes in television shows including "My Living Doll," starring Bob Cummings and Julie Newmar, and movies including Jerry Lewis' "The Family Jewels." Doug Sahm SAN ANTONIO (AP) – Doug Sahm, 58, a steel guitar prodigy who lead the Sir Douglas Quintet and the Grammy-winning Texas Tornados, died Thursday in a Taos, N.M., lodge, apparently of natural causes. Sahm was proficient on fiddle, mandolin and guitar and also sang with his groups. He played with Hank Williams and Bob Dylan. Sir Douglas Quintet started charting hits in 1965 with the song "She's About A Mover." The Texas Tornados were formed in 1989 and won a Grammy Award two years later for their album "Texas Tornados." Beatrice Colen LOS ANGELES (AP) – Beatrice Colen, best known as the roller-skating carhop on early episodes of "Happy Days," died Thursday of complications from lung cancer. She was 51. Mrs. Colen, the granddaughter of Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright George S. Kaufman, appeared in more than 200 TV shows, commercials and movies. From 1974-76 she played Marsha, a carhop on the popular "Happy Days" comedy. She also appeared in the "Wonder Woman" TV series as Corp. Etta Candy, the heroine's sidekick. She had guest appearances in numerous TV shows, including "Alice," "Barney Miller" and "All in the Family." Her film credits include the 1981 film "American Pop" and Mel Brooks' 1977 comedy "High Anxiety." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #548 *****************************