From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #587 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Sunday, January 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 587 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) greetings (exotica) greetings and questionaire Re: (exotica) Bring back... (exotica) copyright myths (exotica) who is ademus? RE: (exotica) Fringeware/you are goin' to hell, but I mean that in a nice way bababada (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve (exotica) Sukia (exotica) Do I detect some rust? Re: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang Re: Re: (exotica) the list Re: (exotica) the list Re: (exotica) exotica questionaire Re: (exotica) Sukia Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang (exotica) record habits Re: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day Re: (exotica) greetings (exotica) Los Angeles surf fest Jan22 (exotica) Cuban Music Re: (exotica) the list Re: (exotica) copyright myths ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:11:53 +0100 From: "Cliché" Subject: Re: (exotica) greetings > 1. Are you a musician? Explain... My job is being a musician. Theaters, films, cartoons, TV-radio jingles, my own music and music with friends (the formations). But my answer is no, I usually say that I'm a home made musician. I started with a big Bosendorfer, and later as it would always go... Then fuyara (Morvaian), tilinko (pipe) and reeds (saxes, clarinet etc) now I'm building a theremin. Now I love playing everything, especially free, cool jazz, funny stuff, contemporary. Now my favourite is an old Toneking tenor sax, which sounds better then a golden Selmer. > 2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this? The first one was John Keaton : Space experience. The Unknow Planet is a really good one. I wish to play it on a singing-saw in the future. It is quite difficult to collect records in Hungary. But the difficulties of it make me mad :-) I have records from Bikini to Zorn. > 3. This list could help you more by... finding record stores reasonably close to Hungary. Facts, nu staff, tips, finding music partners.. > 4. Other exotica/things you collect instruments, films (Tetsuo, Captain Pirx - this one is an old Hungarian TV series with perfect salt-cellar spaceships and things like those etc), 8mm films (we have no TV), slide-films (I think that is a traditional Hungarian stuff, when you project a dia-positive series of pictures which can help you give up smoking, or can tell you the story of little red riding hood, other cool things from Sokol radio up to the homemade Russian Vulcan-lamps. > 5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like free, classical, no wave, experimental... > > 6. What are you just dying to tell us? The thing which I've never found anywhere else is your unselfishness, which is amazing. Here (in Hungary) most people don't share information, not even the copies of their records. AAAA! I have been looking for you for 30 years... > 7. Own a fez? If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or > other lounge-wear of which you are proud? No fez, I'm a vegetarian! Some hand made painted shirts from Bali, the scarf with blue penguins, clothes that I made. Didgeridoo was made by Laura (She is the One!) > 8. Shaken/stirred? black: Living deads, the powerlessness. white: Alive people. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:18:21 -0500 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) greetings and questionaire Doh, thanks for reminding me... i also used to produce and write tv commercials, cartoon sound tracks, and bumpers and such. Nick at Nite had a spitload of great 10 second network i.d.s which were proto 50's jingles... i wrote and produced a bunch of those, plus a few other things that some of you may have seen but i ain't telling (too "commercial"). just shows what slips out of the brain storage! ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:49:52 -0500 From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring back... Nat wrote: >But I'm sure you've picked up the odd better-than-average thing. Share. Oh golly. . . The LP on the top of the stack at Casa Mambo this month is Xavier Cugat's _Bang Bang_ (Decca)--a record that unfortunately, I'm finding it a little hard to describe. It's nothing like Cugat's earlier LPs (generally bland IMHO). . . not really identifiably latin, either. . . Just a sort of wonderfully warped quality when one of our old-school exotica lifers gets into Now Sound/Twist/TJB/Bossa-Lounge territory. Absolutely wonderful cover photo, a go-go Femme Fatale menacing you with her ray gun. There's just something delightfully overblown about it. It's seems to be recorded on some cavernous soundstage or something. The drum lines in particular have this immense fatness that has really grown on me. There are a lot of great organ bits here, little sonar blips and whatnot. Funky fat guitars. You hear somebody in the band coughing in the middle of the Jobim number. There's generally kind of an agreeable sloppiness to it all, like everyone was kind of winging it. Plus, it has among the universe's oddest covers of "These Boots Are Made For Walking" and "Charade." Enjoy! --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:58:50 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) copyright myths On 7 Jan 2000 23:17:49 -0800, bag@hubris.net wrote about copyright. Almost everything in that post is simply not true. I have spent time on old movie newsgroups, and working in a recording studio, and I have never heard so much erroneous streetcorner wisdom passed around as fact as with copyright law. That said, it is ever changing and I no longer keep totally on top of it. However: >I am no expert here, but in general public domain ends somewhere in the 1920's now. Copyright law changed throughout the century; thus, the life of the copyright depends on when it was created, if and when it was registered, and if it was renewed. Originally, copyright lasted 28 years, renewable for a second 28 year period if the owner bothered to do so within a one year period. Therefore, there are many works which lapsed into public domain from well after the 1920s. This happened often when a company went out of business and nobody bothered to claim their assets. It also happened with major corporations who let a few of their holdings fall through the cracks. >This means that if you have something copyrighted before that certain year in the 1920's...and this is an original something...no one can own the copyright on it. HOWEVER, if you take that something and reproduce it, that is a new creation. Thus, to reproduce a copy of the originally copyrighted material would be a violation of copyright. This is a ridiculous concept and absoultely not true. Anyone can freely copy anyone's copy of a public domain work. A new CD of old recordings of Sousa marches is NOT a new creation (though the packaging may be, and is alone protected). If the new version was somehow changed (i.e., a trip-hop mix with sampled Sousa marches), it MAY qualify for a new copyright, however. >All that said, however, you still have to be careful about using older material. Unless something actually says "Public Domain" on it, as some very old song titles sometimes do, it helps to have some good research on your side to make sure no one else has control over it in some way. This is good advice, except that I wouldn't trust any information on a record label as proof that something was or was not public domain. Many bootleg records give fake addresses. Some independent labels do not give songwriter or publishing credits in hopes that they can avoid paying mechanical royalties for the compositions. >You may have heard Walt Disney's original Mickey Mouse films will soon be public domain. Disney is trying to get the law changed or at the very least round up every single copy of the films it can gets hands on so that no one else can reproduce them. Of course, the company knew this day would come and has worked to tighten controls on all of its productions. If anyone wants to eventually reproduce the public domain materials, Disney will try to make sure they will be from very poor copies and thus not commercially threatening. This would have been true of only the earliest Mickey Mouse films. Later copyrights would not have been affected by the first one going p.d. And Disney surely knows they can never round up every copy (such as video tapes they themselves sold of early cartoons). Anyway, the law was already changed, and was known as the Sonny Bono bill after the late congressman who initiated it. All copyrights were (in my opinion, unwisely) extended. I forget all the details but a good web search will provide the facts. It is possible that there will never again be a concept of public domain for anything that hasn't already become p.d.; in the meantime at least 20 years were added to the life of all old copyrights. On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:06:05 -0500, Lang Thompson wrote: >Or the early Caruso recordings may be public domain but you can't just grab an RCA CD and run off CD-Rs of that (though the confusing part is that you can make a CD identical in content to the RCA one with no copyright violation as long as you do it directly from the original sources--78s or whatever). Sure you can copy it. It makes no difference what you use for source material. Even if RCA spent ten billion dollars to digitally remove pops and clicks, that is not copyrightable work. Just don't use their new cover art or liner notes. Of course, none of this matters unless you get caught breaking these laws. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:17:07 -0500 From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) who is ademus? Hi all, did i wish you happy new year yet?? been posting a lot, don't remember... Found a great record, Latin favorites in Percussion, by Ademus and his percussionists. Hot percussion and some great horn players! Also, sounds like more than one band; one with a mild charlie parker style altoist, one with several great players (better recorded). any hints? Oh, forgot, Acorn records 655... any help would be great on this one. ck - -- Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:59:58 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: RE: (exotica) Fringeware/you are goin' to hell, but I mean that in a nice way bababada Ron raved (but gently for soothe) >http://fringeware.com/~melba/catalog.html > >Holy Fuggin' MOLY!!!! What a great site!!! Chock full-o-must-haves. > >Alas, it is CLOSED... No worky. 800 number is D.O.A. Yass yass, twas a sad day this fall when Fringeware bit the dust, another casualty in the Austin, City on the Move saga. The dark underbelly of living in a Techy Mecca Tex-Mex-spiced slacker theme park with 100 newcomers a week, to crib a line from me hubby. On a related note, anyone know of a good source of weird Pope stuff? All I have are my Pope John Paul shield earrings and would LUV to expand the collection. Unrelatedly, thx Johan, for the comment on the Nitty Gritty. Very helpful! Am proud to say I've never cleaned hundreds of anything a week. Luvin' de list, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:02:05 EST From: HEDCANDY@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve Brother Cleve, Is Combustible Edison still in existence? Any new album planned? Here's my survey... > 1. Are you a musician? Explain... No... I am more just a connoisuer (sp?). I do own synths and dawdle in ambient. I also have a Kahn"ecletci Band" organ with a pre-set drum setting call "Teen-Beat" and sounds titled "buzzsaw". > 2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this? Esquivel's - Space Age Bachelor Pad CD Frank Sinatra 4 CD Capitol Years Santo & Johnny's debut LP I now collect just about everything discussed here. Two of my favorite LP's... Ebony Godfather - Moog Fluting and Geraldine and Ricky - A Religious ventriloquist act... priceless. Also love Warren Barker, Mancini, Moog, Bad Actors singing, Weirdo Beatles covers, Space Disco, Down Tempo / Right Tempo music. > 3. This list could help you more by... Paying my rent... > 4. Other exotica/things you collect Just Lp's and CD's... Used to be into the furniture scene but that just became to... "bulky" and or expensive (like collecting wax is not) > 5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like Cocteau Twins, Slowdive, Devo, 80's New Wave, Coletrane, Vince Guaraldi, Pet Shop Boys,Yello, Ambient, Bill Evans, Al Gromer Khan, Angelo Badalamenti > 6. What are you just dying to tell us? Be the same or be different... it just doesn't matter. > 7. Own a fez? If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or > other lounge-wear of which you are proud? Maroon. Says EGYPT in big ass rhinestones. Also sword and half moon in rhinestones Gold trim. Gold plated tutahnkhamen on the front. Jet black 16" tassle w/ ANOTHER rhinestone "Hassan CHOP" sword. Min condition. I keep it in my specially forged fez container with the zipper and a handle. > 8. Shaken/stirred? Pureed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:03:54 EST From: HEDCANDY@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Sukia This may have been done to death... but has the band Sukia been mentioned here? I only found a copy of the CD this year (it was released in 1996) and it is my favorite album of the year. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:40:59 +1100 From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" Subject: (exotica) Do I detect some rust? Interesting to read that some of the most prominent and informed members of this list feel they've 'seen it all' a long time ago and lament the fact. I've found that the musical realm is truly bottomless; that one tip or discovery can send one off into capillaries never explored. That restless curiosity has never failed me in 20 years of almost frenzied exploration (I'm 36). Only when I have focussed obsessively on one genre have I felt the rust form, and spreading out into other areas keeps me squeaky clean. The world of music is far too massive. No-one can convince me that 'all has been conquered.' A few months back I got back into 78's, and discovered to my delight that huddled in the stacks I was able to find self-made 'acetates', usually recorded in booths, of people singing or joking around (kind of the predecessor to photo-booths). It drove home that there are micro-genres within that always lay just out of reach. My interests in another 20 years will be as different and varied as ever. I have no reason to doubt it. Cheers, Keith ******************************* http://www.lobue-art.com The Artwork and Workshops of Keith E. Lo Bue ******************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:52:31 -0500 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve At 5:02 PM -0500 1/8/00, HEDCANDY@aol.com wrote: >Brother Cleve, >Is Combustible Edison still in existence? Any new album planned? there's never been an official announcement, but......the answer to both questions is 'no'. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:59:58 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang At 03:49 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote: >Oh golly. . . > >The LP on the top of the stack at Casa Mambo this month is Xavier >Cugat's _Bang Bang_. . . Just a sort of wonderfully >warped quality when one of our old-school exotica lifers gets into >Now Sound/Twist/TJB/Bossa-Lounge territory. Absolutely wonderful >cover photo, a go-go Femme Fatale menacing you with her ray gun. > >There's just something delightfully overblown about it. I agree. This is a great record. And the curious thing is that I was almost sure it wouldn't be. I've had other Cugat records where you're pretty sure he wasn't around when they made it and while they had their moments, they didn't "come together" like this one. Actually there are moments on this that make you think Cugat might have been around for it, though I don't think you'd yell "This must be Cougat" if you heard it coming from the next room. I was pretty sure this would suck, by the way, mostly because I SO didn't want it to. With that mod spygirl cover, I just figured it would have to be a disappointment and then I'd have to sweat over keeping it for the cover or getting rid of it "for the music". My favourite cut is the title cut, a Sonny and Cher thing which I'm not sure I knew that well in the first place but which is practically unrecognizable here anyway. I have no vocabulary for talking about drumming but the drumming here is "wack"! Then there's the spyjazz guitar sound and the part where they break into a hora. See? I'm actually playing a record. I almost never do that and I haven't played THIS in over a year. I wish I could say "If you like this, try that one" but I can't compare it to anything. Which is a good thing I guess. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:05 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) the list At 11:37 AM 1/8/00 EST, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > So I think moving >forward, going ahead and combining elements to create new music is a good >thing. My ears just have to let it in. Well I don't think I have to point out that combining elements to create new music has been going on... forever almost. It's combining elements from actual records that's sorta new. (Yes I know about "collage" but it's happening on a scale like never before.) I love this idea. I had a blast taking part in the sampling process for my film's soundtrack. (Now forget you heard that.) If I had musical aspirations or talent or the right equipment, I could see this becoming a huge obsession. I think one reason I don't listen to much of this "new" music is because I haven't really heard much that sounds like it was made in that spirit. In other words, you hear that the artist - or DJ - dipped into a huge eclectic record collection to make his/her CD but when you hear it, it's more of the same. You don't get chunks of sampled riffs; all you get are blips and bleeps in the midst of beats. So if anyone would like to guess what I'm referring to and to provide a nice list of stuff I would be happy with, I'd be happy with that. I think the other reason I don't buy many of them is because basically there are a couple of stores here who carry stuff like that and if I wanted them, the process would involve going to those stores weekly and asking "You got any more of that stuff you know I like?" Or frequenting CDNow. I used to be like that but I haven't been for a while. Maybe when I get busier and richer - will this be the year?? - I'll move to that method of acquisition. Does anyone have some kinda explanation for this Now Sound/ E-Z soundtrack sampling phenomenon? (It's probably not as big as it seems to someone who doesn't pay that much attention to it.) It IS curious though, I must say. I hate to bring up "postmodernism" or Tarantino or Eno or Burroughs' cut-up technique or something about baby boomers but I just find it really really strange that this is happening. I'll leave y'all alone for the weekend now. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:01 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) the list At 02:20 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Br. Cleve wrote: > > >When you get into the Now Sound (and yes, Nat, I'd use that term to >describe all of what that), Oh thank you. Pheew. > I spent some time at the new breed of used record stores this week in New >York, the ones that sell no rock or pop music, only jazz, funk, hip hop, >now sound, soundtracks and latin. There are hundreds of Now Sound type >records in these stores, usually grouped together under the headers >'samples' or 'beats', and with very high price tags - because they contain >a drum break or phrase that would be usable in hip hop/dance track (or has >already been used, making it desireable to get the original break, as there >are people who collect those as well as those who use them in a sampler). The first thing I have to say is that, having spent some time in a used record store last summer, I still find it amazing that so many "kids" are MORE interested in finding a sample that's already been used than they are in finding one that hasn't. And that they're willing to spend big bucks for an already-used one when they can find a potential one for next to nothing. It makes sense. That's the world. There are originators and there are sheep. But it's still curious that the message they would take from "the sampling revolutions" is "Go out and find the samples I already found". I have a few questions though... Are "they" really sampling bits that are unique to Now Sound records? I was always told it's more like a drum break from a Seals n Crofts record - or Bob James - and not a whole "riff" per se... Speaking of which I think I actually spotted a sample this week. There's this repeated acoustic piano flourish all over DJ Shadow's first big CD. I think it's from Stan Freeman's version of "Gentle Rain" on his Project 3 record. Hard to believe that I'm right but it sounds right. Anyone confirm or deny? I'm going to ask my other questions somewhere else. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:08 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) exotica questionaire At 12:14 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Citizen Kafka wrote: > > Main instruments: >fiddle and bass in Wretched Refuse String Band, theremin in Citizen >Kafka Band. For years was the only union theremin player, >. My string band (and rock band) >composed of real good nyc string nuts, like andy statman, tony trischka, >ken kosek, etc. Putting two and two together, I have to ask whether you ever played theremin in a klezmer band? By the way, did you see Jon Stewart's Late Show "end of the millenium show"? I thought of you at the end when they had a guy onstage with They Might be Giants actually recording a cylinder with them. I even waited to see the credits to see if it was you up there. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:15:22 -0000 From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sukia HEDCANDY wrote: > This may have been done to death... but has the band Sukia been mentioned > here? Yes! > I only found a copy of the CD this year (it was released in 1996) and it is > my favorite album of the year. It's a crazy album. But apparently Sukia are no more. However, I know of at least three side projects which may or not be still on the go: Sukpatch Volume All Stars DJ Me DJ You http://www.emperornorton.com/artists/dj_me_dj_you/index.html When I saw them support Stereolab here in the UK a couple of years ago, Sukia played some amazing new material not on the album and I'm wondering if that ever saw the light of day on a CD... Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------- ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** - ---------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:27:14 EST From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang I have the previous 2 Cugat Decca releases, "Dance Party" 744740 & "Feeling Good" 74672 and their both great, in the scheme of Cugat. There's a Bond Theme on each and quite a few other good tunes. For me they seem very similar to other dance oriented Now Sound recordings like much of Ogerman's RCA dance albums and Enoch Light's "Discotheque" albums and some of his dancier Project 3 albums. I love them all. What other artists have this sound? Have you heard the Compilation CD from Cugie's 4 Decca records, it's called "Cugie A-Go-Go"? It's got the ray-gun toting go-go gal from "Bang Bang" on the cover and songs from the three albums we've mentioned plus Cugat's last "Cugat Today!" Decca 74831, which I'm looking for a copy of (anybody!!!) along with "Bang Bang". If any one would like to hear them, feel free to stop by my house and borrow either of the albums or the compilation CD, since me making you a duplicate might have unsavory legal repercussions. E-mail me to set up a time to drop in, I'll have some fresh baked cookies and tea ready for you. xoxoxo, - -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:52:04 -0500 From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) record habits There's quite a variety of experiences on this list - from the newcomer who has only just bought his first Denny or Esquivel CD, to those musicians and those in the music business who have heard most everything out there. I've always been curious as to 'how' the people here listen to and handle their records. Do you listen to an entire side all the way through, or just test a couple of spots searching for some cool sound? Do you alphabetize or otherwise sort your records? Do you pare your collection down to a few essential LPs, or do you keep most of them? So, to start the ball rolling, here's a lengthy post to how I handle things (from a non-musician, non music industry related exotica fan) Ever since the first 'Incredibly Strange Music' book came out, I've been regularly going to thrift stores and buying old LPs. Now I find myself with thousands of records (most of them in typical thrift-store non-mint condition) I'm one of those who does not listen to them when I buy them.....instead I will randomly insert them into my ever growing 'unlistened to' collection, which now looks much like the cover of the Fat Boy Slim CD cover multiplied by a few times. Every so often I will grab the next 5 LPs in line and listen to a bit of each track ... and if I enjoy the sound, I'll put a song or two onto the end of a cassette tape I am slowly compiling. These tapes are are totally random - I don't have any themed 'Latin' tapes, or 'Mancini' tapes or 'Now Sound' tapes. These tapes will usually then accompany me whenever I make a long drive or road trip -- the variety and randomness are good for keeping my attention up while driving. After listening, the LPs with good tracks will go into a 'to save' section -- probably waiting for the day I buy a CD recorder. Some of the ones without any interesting cuts I will save anyway (if it has a cool cover graphic, or if i think my tastes will later change), but most of these will eventually be taken back to the thriftstore. I have gone as long as several months without pulling any records from my 'unlistened to' section, but I've done it enough times that I'm now working on my 20th tape .... and I still have thousands of unlistened to records to go. I buy records faster than I listen to them. I think that this is a part of my retirement plan -- knowing that as I get older, there will still be a source of music from the past to discover and listen to (those thrifts will dry up some day, after all). Some people put money into the stock market and IRAs and stuff like that hoping to build a nest egg for retirement...... well, part of my long term plan involves these records - not as a monetary collectible financial investment, but for the sheer listening value. I like to say that I get my pleasure twice - once when finding the record in the thrift, and second (often years later) when I finally listen to them. My method works well, except in one regard. Because most of my collection is in random order (not alphabetized), I can't quickly locate any specific LP in the 'unlistened to' section when I want to. Often this list will mention some artist, and I will say to myself "I know I have that record, but its still sitting in that 'to listen to' section" I thus own and haven't listened to the 101 Strings 'Astro Sounds' yet, nor many of Lenny Dee's work, or the soundtrack to 'Enter the Dragon', and on and on and on. So instead of hearing the music Nat is talking about, I have to be patient and likely wait a few years. On the bright side though, nothing is quite as exciting when late some evening, I go to that 'unlistened' section, pull 5 LPs out, and bring them to the turntable. It's like playing a lottery - with much better odds. Sometimes the next LP will be some lame orchestral type stuff, but then the next one will be a Cugat album that, in contrast, sounds so much better and I understand why Cugat became so popular during his time. Then there are the best moments - like when the next LP you're about to listen to is something like the soundtrack to 'Barbarella' Well, that's my story. Anyone else interested in their record listening habits? Right now, I'm psyched and about to pull out 5 more records. It's a good life. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:28:08 -0500 From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist > > But for a different example, look at all of the DJs on this list with live > > and/or archived web-radio shows -- some are spinoffs of broadcast radio, > > some are pure webcasts. And apparently quite legal (yet). > > So why not a "Radio Free Exotica" webcast? Count Space Bop in as willing to participate in this - it would be a fun project! ciao, cheryl and brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:18:31 -0800 From: Jim Gerwitz Subject: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day In memory of Don Martin, this Sunday is declared National Gorilla Suit Day (remember THAT one old-timers?) Madly, Fester Bestertester P.S. Karbunkle told me to tell you "Dawk" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:20:53 -0500 From: "Kevin Kovelant" Subject: Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day Ah, National Gorilla Suit Day. Are you sure you're not working for the Acme Gorilla Suit Company? "Its a conspiracy, I tell you!" "Beware of Dracula, Frankenstein and Chameleon Man! They could be chasing you without notice!" - --Game Description for the arcade game "Monster Bash" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:32:52 EST From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) greetings In a message dated 1/8/00 3:12:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, cliche@tilos.hu writes: << > 8. Shaken/stirred? black: Living deads, the powerlessness. white: Alive people. >> even tiki bob is scared by this apparition. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:58:29 EST From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Los Angeles surf fest Jan22 for anyone into modern surf with retro roots you will not be disappointed!! >'ACID BEACH PARTY' >SATURDAY JAN 22ND >at >MR T'S BOWL >5621 1/2 N.FIGUEROA TAKE EXIT 52 OFF THE 110 FWY >LOS ANGELES > > >featuring: > >NEPTUNAS 830 PM >MYSTERIES 915 >SLACKTONE 10 >00 SPY CAR 1045 >INSECT SURFERS 1130 >REVENTLOS 1215 AM > >Psychotronic film projection >Dancers >Giant Twister Tournament >Karaoke >and more... >$10.00 doors open at 8pm >call 310-391-7035 for more info * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:37:43 -0800 From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) Cuban Music Hi folks, Today I found a copy of Jack Costanzo: Mr Bongo Plays Cha Cha Cha in the used CD bins. I was expecting it to be 50s percussion music along the lines of a Command record, but it turned out to be a really good collection of authentic sounding Cuban music. I've always been a fan of Prez Prado and Xavier Cugat, as well as Beny More and Tito Rodriguez. But I knew that these guys came from a musical tradition that went back a lot further. Lately, I've been trying to find the source material that Prado and Cugat mined. I discovered a label called Tumbao Cuban Classics that has a lot of fascinating stuff. Unfortunately, they are pricey imports so I haven't been as adventurous as I would like to be. These are the CDs I've gotten so far. I really like most of the stuff on these. (But don't ask me what the difference is between a mambo, bolero, cha cha, or guaracha!) Conjunto Modelo: Guaguanco En La Habana Antonio ArcanoY Sus Maravillas: Danzon Mambo 1944-1951 Conjunto Colonial: De Nelo Sosa A Burujon Punao Conjunto Casino: Mambo con Cha Cha Cha Conjunto Casino: Rumba Quimbumba I've found a couple of interesting collections on the Harlequin label too... Lecuona Cuban Boys Vol 7: In South America 1940-1944 Havana Cuban Boys Is anyone out there familiar with Cuban music or the Tumbao line of CDs? Any info or recommendations? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:27:07 -0500 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) the list At 6:00 PM -0500 1/8/00, Nat Kone wrote: >The first thing I have to say is that, having spent some time in a used >record store last summer, I still find it amazing that so many "kids" are >MORE interested in finding a sample that's already been used than they are >in finding one that hasn't. It's about the artifact. Similar to why some people still shell out big bucks for, say, original Blue Note albums, even though they can buy the reissue LP's or the CD's for less than 20 bucks. >Are "they" really sampling bits that are unique to Now Sound records? I >was always told it's more like a drum break from a Seals n Crofts record - >or Bob James - and not a whole "riff" per se... Mostly the drum break........ but sometimes the riff. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 03:28:26 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright myths >Sure you can copy it. It makes no difference what you use for source >material. Even if RCA spent ten billion dollars to digitally remove pops Actually it does: this is one of the few areas we've been discussing where there's extensive case law in support of it. Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #587 *****************************